Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Lamar bests Burrow, Jerry acting crazy, Trevor & Pederson in trouble

Episode Date: November 8, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson discuss Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens resilient win vs. Joe Burrow, Ja’Marr Chase and the Cincinnati Bengals on Thursday Night Football. Later, Unc and Ocho react to Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys trading a 4th round pick for Carolina Panthers WR Jonathan Mingo, debate if it’s time for the Jacksonville Jaguars to move on from Trevor Lawrence and Doug Pederson and much more!05:30 - Show Start05:42 - Intro07:33 - Ravens v Bengals40:29 - Dak has hamstring injury53:46 - Trevor Lawrence not playing56:30 - CMC is back59:51 - Potato Heir McGovern(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, my goodness. Y'all already know. Yeah, that's y'all. We be the breaks off y'all. Yes. Yes. Yes. Some things never change, Ocho.

I'm sorry, Ocho. You feeling good, huh? George just keep finding stuff. You feeling good, huh? Jordan just keep finding stuff. He like, look at this. You feeling good about yourself, huh? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. All I know is this. If your team lost on Thursday night, I don't want

to hear you say foot or ball. If your team lost tonight, I don't want to hear you say foot or ball. Now, if your team won,, I don't want to hear you say foot or ball. Now, if your team won, take off with it. Let's get back to it. The Ravens beat the Bengals 35-34. The Ravens go for a two-point conversion to take the lead with 38 seconds,

but the pass was a little high for Taylor Hudson, and it felt incomplete. Joe Burrow had a spectacular performance, 428 yards, four touchdowns as well. And Jamar Chase went off 11 catches on 14 targets, 264 yards, three touchdowns. Lamar Jackson matched him as far as touchdowns. Lamar threw for four touchdowns, 290 yards, as the Ravens come from behind again and defeat the Cincinnati Bengals for the second time this season.

The Ravens improve to 73. The Bengals fall to 4-6. Ocho. Yeah. You guys played really, really well. Very, very well. But you have a situation where you have a 21-7 lead. Yes, sir.

You get out and get a field goal. It's 24-7. Score a field goal it's 24-7 score touchdown is 28-7 excuse me yeah marlon humphrey made an unbelievable play he stood the running back up pulls the ball out the ravens go down and score and the next thing you know it's 28-21 yeah just that fast listen fast. Listen, the first half, the Bengals, we played great football the first half. We were able to hold Derrick Henry to not very much. We were able to – I think he had like six carries in the first half.

Yeah. We were able to hold Lamar Jackson. I think maybe the 50 to 51 yards passing in the first half. You did. The offense was very efficient. We moved up and down the field. We got to 21-7 uh on that drive i was hoping on that drive that could really solidify the game if we could have gotten some points maybe a field goal going up 28-7 would have been even better but the play again like you said from marlon humphrey and stripping that ball from chase

brown the momentum the momentum shifted after that play, Unc. They went right down and scored. I think we had a three and out, if I'm not mistaken. We had a short series. Y'all got the ball back, went down, and then they don't push goddamn, what's Young's ball name? Wallace. They don't push Wallace out of bounds because, again,

two players thinking, okay, somebody's closer than I am. I think he's going to make the play. We just talked about that two weeks ago, I think, if I'm not mistaken, where they was loafing on the play, thinking somebody else was going to make it. And because they loafed and when they kicked it in gear to try to make the tackle and push him out of bounds, it was too late. It's a game of ventures. It's a game of ventures. It's a game of ventures and you always got to be going full speed

at all times until the play is actually made. And I think that's one of the things that hurt us. And damn, I'm saying, that one hurt me. I like the cojones. I like the fucking cojones that Zach Taylor had to go for two.

I like it. I like the play call,ones that Zach Taylor had to go for two. I like it. I like it. I like the play call, the belief in your players. The belief in your players to say, you know what? We're not going in overtime. We're going to try to win this goddamn game. We're going to try to win this game because we're behind eight ball. We're not only behind eight ball in this game,

the fact that we allow them to come back from a 14-point deficit, but the fact that we need this win and we get it we don't we behind a ball now obviously we're we're four four four and five four and six oh four oh we're four and six now so now you have to think about it we beat the raiders we lost to the ravens they've swepts. They've swept us in a series this season. That makes it that much more difficult for us going forward. Makes it very difficult for you to win division because you've gotten swept by them. They're three games in front of you. Pittsburgh is three games in front of you.

I don't know if you've played the Steelers yet. So basically, in order for you to have a chance, you would need to beat. You can't finish with the same record as the Ravens because they would win the division because they already beat you twice. So you got to hope, you got to pray. You beat the Steelers. The Steelers beat the Ravens. You finish with a better record than the Steelers and the Ravens. Or, like you said, you're hoping for a wild card,

but then again, you got to hope. I mean, you could get three teams out of that division because I think you're only going to get one team out of the South. I think you're going to get probably one team out of the West, one team out of the East. So theoretically you're four division winners and, and, and,

and, and four division with us. That's because you take in seven teams. Oh, Joe. Yeah. You're four division winners. So you take,

say the state, whoever wins the division in the North, two other teams theoretically could go. Could the Broncos make it uh maybe could could the charges make it maybe you know kc is going to win that division oh joe yeah so so yeah theoretically they're not they're not they're not they're probably the of the wild card potentials they'll probably have the best odds of making right yeah i mean listen we we have to we got we got to get for one we got to get healthy offensively we look really good defensively you know it it's it's it's up and down it's we we play well in spurts we have to find a little bit more consistency um in passing game, in the run game.

I think we did fairly well against Derrick Henry tonight. Damn, that would hurt, boy. Yeah. That would hurt. That would have gave you a lot of confidence because now, Ocho, you got 10 days off. You don't play until the following Sunday. So now you get an opportunity to regroup. You really think like, hey, guys, we got the whole week.

Get healthy. We got the entire weekend off. We can sit back. Hey, let's go on a run here. That's a tough way to lose. I mean, think about it, Ocho. Both of the games, you lost in overtime and you lost in a heartbreaking fashion. And you're like, hold on.

We scored 38 points. We scored 34 points. And we lose both ballgames. Joe Burrow throws for what? He probably had, what, eight, nine total touchdowns? And they still lose. So that's the problem that you're

running into. Joe really can't have an off-series, because an off-series means that the defense goes back on the field. Because think about it, Ocho. You had a 21-7 lead, and the next time in three possessions, you're down 28-21.

That's crazy. That's absolutely crazy. It's so hard to play like that, knowing I've got to be perfect. Joe and Chase are not off his nose. We've got to be perfect or we can't win a game. Yeah.

If our defense, if our defense or we can't win a game. Yeah. If we're off slightly. If our defense, if our defense, run defense, pass defense, at any point was able to, let's say, catch fire and find a way to get to the middle of the pack. We don't have to be top five.

Just find a way to get to the middle of the pack. Statistically, I think we'll be fine. We would be fine, but that's a tall tall task especially at this point in the season it's a tall task yeah that means pressure is on us offensively well like you just said joe burrow has to be damn near perfect he gotta be perfect no he gotta be perfect jamar chase has has to be Superman every single time he touches the ball. Every time. Joe was... Oh, Joe, before you go. Joe Burrow

was 34-56. 4-28. Four touchdowns. He didn't turn it over. You did have the one turnover that was costly because it shifted the momentum of the ball game. But the defense, y'all gave up. Lamar was 25- 33 to 94 touchdowns.

And you didn't sack him once. And most, and most of that shit, you know, you know, Hardy is the sack. Did you see that goddamn scramble? Did you see that damn scramble and,

and tiptoe to sideline and cut back in and almost like, man, listen, Lamar Jackson. I don't, I don't know what more I can say about Lamar. Listen, that hasn't been said already. I've been watching him do exactly what we saw tonight when he was at Boynton Beach High School.

Dude is unreal. And he's probably on the way to winning his third MVP. Well, he just put himself back in the lead. If you thought Jerry Goff, you like Derrick Henry, Derrick Henry is playing phenomenal. I'm trying to think of other quarterbacks that might be in the running. Nobody. Josh Allen.

But Lamar, after tonight, he put himself back in the lead, Ojo. Lamar Jackson is a favorite MVP. Yeah. Before Henry got there, Lamar Jackson was still doing what he's doing now and carrying his team. The fact that Derrick Henry comes and he's running the ball extremely well is the fact that the team is built and structurally designed for a player like him. But Lamar Jackson was doing what he's doing this year before Derrick Henry got there.

So the favorite for MVP would be Lamar Jackson again. I think the thing is, Ocho, but when we look at it, Lamar Jackson's on pace to lead the league in touchdowns and passing yards. Something that we wouldn't equate to Lamar leading the league in passing yards. We saw him lead the league in touchdowns the first year he won the MVP in 2019. Now look at the way he's

throwing the football. He's on pace to throw for damn near 50 touchdowns, Ocho. Which, if somebody would have told you, even if you thought he was going to be a good quarterback, nobody would have said Lamar Jackson would throw for for 40 plus touchdowns in an nfl season and listen that's a testament to his work and his improvement as a pocket passer for one early in his career boom i look at number one number one's not there i'm taking off i'm using my feet now he's going through this progression he's taking his time hell he go here, go from one to two to three.

He'll come back to one, or he'll scramble and extend a play and do things off script just to see if he can find somebody open before he takes off and runs the ball. Lamar Jackson's gotten to the point where he's such a great passer now that he's a runner second,

which as opposed to early in his career, he would run first if the number one of the two options wasn't there but he he real he realized he can get the ball quick he get the ball down the field quicker if he throw it that he couldn't run it yeah if so but he he's phenomenal and as you said ocho it's a testament see like i said it's hard if you put the work in not to get better i'm not saying i'm not, now he's gotten drastically better as a thrower of the football.

Look at the touch that he threw the ball with when he hit Andrews. Look at the touch he threw when he threw that Bateman, the last touchdown, the kind of jump, salty over the top. Look at the touch in which he's developed because he's put the time in to get better as a thrower that's why i say you can tell guys that are that in the off season they go to the lab because it's just

hard for you not to get better at something i don't care if it's skipping rocks i don't care if it's collecting cans if you practice it you will get better at it. You might not ever be an Olympian at it, but Lamar, all he had to do was to get his passing ability up to his legs, and it was over. And you see right now, they can't do anything. Now, sometimes, you know, Todd

Munkin and John Harbaugh, they get beside themselves, and they want to throw, throw, throw, and they kind of forget because ain't no way in hell Cleveland should have beat them. I don't give a damn what anybody says. You can't convince me the Browns, that team, even though they have a very good defense, should have

beat them. But Ocho, the Ravens better be careful. Their defense is going to get them beat. Well, no, wait, not the defense because they stout up front. They're stout up front and they stout up front. I throw it over here. They just gave up 427. They just gave up 428.

But hold on, baby. Check me out. Now stay with me. They are stout up front and they're stout at the second level. Now their Achilles heel is a secondary. Their dead last against the pass. Can Josh Allen throw the ball? Can Patrick Mahomes throw the ball? Can Patrick Mahomes throw the ball?

Can Joe Burrow throw the ball? Can Russell Wilson throw the ball? So any potential team, Justin Herbert, so any team that they can potentially face can do what, Ocho? Throw the ball. All those teams got what?

Receivers that can go catch the ball. Ocho, the touchdown to Chase, bro, how you let that man catch? Which one? The man catch a 10-yard route. And he juke in, out, in, and out. And go to the house. And then, Ocho, they in quarters coverage.

Where the hell is the safety going? Hold on. That's the perfect play call for quarters. Is the post route because the goddamn safety sit on the hash down low. Don't, Ocho. You got the backside safety. Don't jump the cross route. No, Ocho. The quarter

is playing quarters. He's got outside leverage. If you play it outside leverage and I run a post, tell me how you stop it. If you play it outside leverage. Listen, for me, I don't play corner. But just stay with me real quick. Okay.

If I know I got quarters coverage and I'm a corner and my back is to the sideline, if anything, I want to stay very, very high on that upfield shoulder. And if he does go to the post, I try to kick it in gear the best way I can and cut off the angle to get there. It's quarters coverage. that's not his responsibility that's the safety quarter quarter quarter quarter that's not

they're going to occupy that safety with the number two and get him to come down if you got quarters coverage what is your quarter middle coverage that's not yours the crossing route that's for that's for Roquan Smith. Right.

I'm not happy with that. That's the whole purpose I run that route. Because I'm going to dangle that cheese knowing you are right. And bite him. You're going to bite. You're going to bite every time. And then I'm going to throw the post over your head because I know he got quarters coverage and he's outside leverage. He's supposed to be

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To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And you know the funny thing about it? Anytime, every time you see a post route that's completed, normally 98% of the time, the goddamn coverage is quarters. Most of the time. Yes! Unless it's cover three or some stuff like that and you just step on the corner's toes and the throw beats

the goddamn safety. But that goddamn quarters, every time, post going to beat it every goddamn time. Because they're going to dangle some cheese, the whole last safety at bait. You step on that corner's toes, hey, it's a wrap. You might as well

strike up the fan. You know why? Because guys get beat because they won't play their responsibility. That's not your responsibility. If you got quarters coverage, that means you got a quarter of the field. So there's 425 to make a dollar. The safety, the corner has deep quarters.

The safety has middle quarters. The other safety has middle quarters. The other corner has deep quarters. That's 25. What we call it. Quarters coverage, 25. If you want to dress it,

quarters or 25, it's the same thing. That's not your responsibility. You see what happens. He got beat because he's trying to do somebody else's job. The bracelet cross is not your responsibility. You not Ed Reed. Listen, either that or play hero ball one or the other.

Trying to play hero ball one or the other. Bro, and that's what happens, Ocho. Sometimes, guys, but see, first of all, you're not qualified to play that. You're not Troy Polamalu. You're not an Ed Reed. You don't have the green light to gamble like that. Hold on. Or the range.

You know how much range you got to have to play? Matter of fact, I'm going to add one more. I'm going to add one more to it. You're not Earl Thomas. Right. You got to, first of all, you got to be damn certain. And they know, because

like, okay, in this this deep in this down in distance right they like to play quarters coverage you have to also be thinking okay we playing this when they put information in it's pissing out how many times you play quarters how many times you play cover two how many times you robbed it how many times you played single high how many times you played 25 how many times you played six six kick cover seven uh uh uh fire zone the computer spits it in over the course of four games okay we go deeper we go over eight games so now you don't think the cincinnati bingles know in this formation, this down and distance, this area of the field, they like to play quarters?

Yeah. Let's see if we, hey, let's see if we can put a lady out there that flashed her boobs and see if he'll look. And sure enough, they took him down, hey, Ocho, they took him down to Mardi Gras. Yeah. He flashed him. Ah! Over the head he went.

I'm like, bro, what are you doing? Listen, kudos to both teams. That was a very good game. The first game was really good. This game was really good. Honestly, I really thought we had in the bag. We went up 21-7 and we had that drive

and we was marching down that goddamn field. I was so happy. I was hyped. I'm sitting in the sports book. I'm here at, you know, and I'm sitting in the sports book. I'm here at Cedars Palace. I'm sitting in the sports book. I wasn't talking trash to none of the Ravens fans because, you know, I'm always respectful. I'm always respectful. I don't do nothing malicious.

And, bruh, I'm like, come on, man. They go down and score. We get the ball. We go three and out. Then they come right, Lamar Jackson and them come right back and score again and tie the game. I'm like, get the,

what the hell is going on? It is so hard. To play like Joe Burrow has to play because he has to be damn near perfect. And he has to get points out of damn near every drive. Yeah. Because the likelihood of his defense stopping teams, say, if you get 10 drives, think about it. Ocho, they had a 21-7 lead.

And before Cincinnati scored again, it was 28-21. That fast. Three straight possessions. Boom, boom, boom. That fast. And the funny thing about it is we had the momentum. This is crazy how it works in any sport.

In any sport, there's always rhythm and there's always momentum for teams. We had the momentum the entirety of the first half. We come out of the second half, the momentum shifts. Soon as the goddamn fumble happens, now the Ravens got the momentum the whole goddamn time.

Can you put it on the short field? If it wasn't for goddamn Jamal Chase, see, matter of fact, Jamal Chase tonight, this is why the argument about should you pay him or should you not, I don't care if you had 257 years left on this goddamn contract.

What you saw tonight and what you've been seeing the remainder, what you've been seeing the entirety of the season is why you play. You pay a motherfucker like that because you know what you're getting. You know, you're going to get your money's worth. You know, you are.

So all you've all you've done now is now you're under value. Yesterday price ain't today's price. And you can you can play around if you want to in all season and come around here with this bullshit when everything is on goddamn film. There is nothing. Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles can see what the hell this motherfucker's doing. That 35 that Jenna got,

that's 37, 38. He gonna be looking to get 38 to 40. I'm just trying to tell you where he going with it, Ocho. If you gave Jenna 140, he looking to get 160, 175. And what argument are you going to have? Ain't none.

What argument can you have? And you're messing around because he broke McIntyre to be first team all pro, lead the league in receiving yards. You kissed the baby. Oh, he's going to lead the league now. He's first right now. He's going to lead the league. Well, you know Jdah got a game to come

cause Jeddah was what oh yeah yeah yeah I know but if anything it's probably gonna be it's gonna be between those two I agree I agree

God willing I hope God willing I hope both of them stay healthy and it's gonna be a battle back and forth between them two yeah and that's the thing

that's what you know what like I said I don't really know joe i met him on the trip to uh uh to france cool dude yeah um but i i do i do feel bad for him knowing that he has to be perfect because if he's not perfect they're not winning because his defense you're supposed to be able to get a 14 point lead in the second half home, and it couldn't. I mean, you could just make the tackle, Ocho. Britt, just make the tackle.

Just make the tackle. You know, sometimes people get up there trying to want to get a big hit and just jump up there and do all that other stuff. Sometimes it just means just get the guy on the turf. The turf. That's all you got to do. Keep down.

Everything ain't got to be a spectacular catch. Sometimes I see guys, bro, just get two hands up. You're trying to make a one-hand catch. You're trying to make sports center. Sometimes, everybody want to get a big hit. Sometimes, just get the guy on the ground. And guess what? Go back to his first

down, because he had the first down. Let's just go back. Okay, first down. I just can't give him a touchdown. I can't give up a touchdown on a guy that ain't going out. On an out? I run a speed out trying to get a first down. A quick out at that. A four-yard route. He done went

goddamn 60 yards. No, he went 84. Give it that long? Yes. You ain't got to rub it in. You ain't got to rub it in. Lamar on third down in the second half against the Bengals. He was 7-7, 133

yards, 9 yards per attempt on pass, and 3 touchdowns, 0 interceptions. He was perfect again. On third down in the second half, Lamar Jackson has thrown 14 touchdown passes in the last 17 days. So in under three weeks,

the man has thrown 14 touchdowns. What more can I say, bro? There's nothing I can say. What else can I say about Lamar Action Jackson? I can't. Whether it's running the ball, whether it's RPOs, whether it's goddamn throwing the ball. I can't. Whether it's running the ball, whether it's RPOs, whether it's goddamn

throwing the ball. I mean, every goddamn thing. Every guy. If it was up to me, if I was Goodell, or if I was whoever the people are

in a position of power who hands out the goddamn MVPs, I'd just ship that shit to Baltimore right now. I'd ship it to Baltimore right now because he's not going

to regress as the season progresses. He's not going to go backwards. He's not going to go backwards. He's not going to go backwards. What I was afraid of for the rest of the NFL league, if his arm ever caught up to his legs. And it's

at that point. And the scary part about it is it's only going to get better. That's it. That's what I said, man. League, y'all don't understand. If this man. That's what I said, man. League, y'all don't understand. If this man let arm, and I'm not saying his arm had to be just as good, but it is.

Right, yeah. I said, but if he could get his arm to 80% of what his legs is, the league would be in trouble. They in trouble, trouble. How you say it? Trouble, how you say it? Trouble, trouble. And now, here it is. But like I said, Ocho, I mean, look, to be in Joe's situation,

to know that I've got to be perfect. Because if I'm not perfect, Ocho, we're not going to win. I mean, you throw for 428. You throw for, what, three touchdowns. And we lose. I threw for five touchdowns last time. And we lost. I threw for, what, three, four touchdowns and we lose i threw for five touchdowns last time and we lost i threw for what three four touchdowns against washington and we lost yeah there was like they had a 21-7 lead okay they go

possession okay they had 21 they had a 21-7 lead they go fumble so that's a possession that didn't score they go three and out they go three and out. They go three and out. So Baltimore get the ball three times after they have a 21-7 lead, and guess what? Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. It's 28-21. Yeah. Defense has to make a stop.

Out of those three series, defense has to make just one stop. How about this, Ojo? Make them kick a field goal. Make them kick a field goal. Look here. Guys, I know it's hard, but just don't let them score. Make them kick a field goal. Make him kick a field goal. Look here. Guys, I know it's hard, but just don't let him score. Make him kick a field goal. Yeah, and that's the difference in the game.

That's the difference in the game. How much I owe you again? A stack. Okay. I mean, how you want it? Five, five, five, 20, 10? No. Right now, I bet the look on your face.

Look at it, Chad. How much I owe you? How much I owe you? How much I owe you? You know how much you owe me. Whatever you think you owe me, that's what you owe me. I just want to make sure. I just want to make sure. Don't make sure. Don't make sure.

Throw something on the floor. Throw something on the floor for me. I'll pick it up. You know what I'm saying? You quit it. Throw something on the floor for me. I'll pick it up. Whatever it is you throw on the floor, I'll pick it up.

Hey, one thing about it, as long as I owe you, you'll never go broke, baby. Lamar Jackson has 10 career games with four-plus TD passes. The only players with more before turning 28, Dan Marino, 16. Patrick Mahomes, 16. Brett Favre, 11. Ocho, check this out. Guard NFL research, Jamar Chase is the only player in NFL history with multiple games of 200 plus 50 receiving yards

plus two receiving touchdowns in his career. So he's the only guy that have had at least 250 receiving yards in multiple games with multiple touchdowns. Yeah. Hey, young bull special boy young young bull is special he's doing something special which is why i don't understand why management why would you want to play around with someone like this because oh yeah my bad oh joe i said a thousand you said make it two you remember you said make it two make it louder yourself

who said that that oh joe i ain't say that. Yeah, you did. I don't listen. What I knew, because I see if I let him talk, because every time he chat, what I do, I let him talk. Because every time I let him talk, a toe pop out. Because I know he's going to put his foot in his mouth. Every time he open his mouth, they go big toe. They go little toe.

No, I don't think so. Chat, chat. How much you bet me, chat? How much you bet me, chat? A thousand. No, did you say make it two? I want to double it up. They're going to chat the chat. What do you bet, chat? The chat don't.

How did chat go? No, they weren't even here. They were here. They were listening. You owe me two. The Ravens run their winning streak. The 42 straight games with 100 plus rush yards have come to an end with a kneel down.

They finished with 99 yards. Damn. Hey, man, let LeVar go ahead. You're running quarterback sneak to keep the streak alive, Ocho. Might as well. They probably didn't even realize. They probably didn't even realize. They were trying to get out of there with that goddamn win and shit.

Yeah, because that's almost two seasons. That's two and a half seasons. 17-17 is 34 plus another eight. Yeah. That's crazy. Hey, listen, them boys playing lights out. I wouldn't be surprised and I'm going to go on a limb and say it

right now. They probably going to catch fire. You know, we haven't even gotten past Thanksgiving yet. Once we get past Thanksgiving, that's when football season really starts. That's when, that's when, that second half of the season, that's when football really starts.

If, if they get that train and that ball rolling and continue to play the way they're playing right now, and they make it to that AFC championship, or even make it to the playoffs, there's only one, there's only one team or maybe two teams standing in the way they're playing right now, and they make it to that AFC championship, they even make it to the playoffs, there's only one team, or maybe two teams standing in the way.

That's Buffalo and Kansas City. That's Buffalo and Kansas City. So, I mean, shoot, if I'd like to see anyone get a ring, it's Lamar. It's Lamar. If it ain't the Bengals, I would love to see Lamar get one.

Oh, sure. They say you got upset, got upset and somebody, I want to double it. So they say you owe me 2K. I think, you talking about NBA 2K? No, I only play NBA 2K. Yeah, listen, you know, I know people, the chat probably lying. For one, you know how financially savvy I am I don't gamble I don't I don't even I don't even gamble so I when you said I owe you one thousand a thousand now that I could believe because I got you know in in when in uh in my game room at home you know

I got I got a few just for emergency cases for emergency situations I got money now so I probably said a stack because it's boom it's right there That's what I'm saying. You started talking about, oh, that ain't nothing. That ain't nothing. Make it light. Make it two. Because your pride got involved because you're talking about your bingos. I was talking bad about your bingos. See, I know you couldn't. I bet y'all don't win on Thursday night.

Bet. What you want to bet? I said, bet a thousand. Put it up in the chat. Chat. We're going to put the poll up. How much does Ocho O. Does he owe him 1K or 2K? The chat don't even know. The chat wasn't there.

This was a conversation between you and me. Oh, yeah. On Nightcap. Ocho Ocho, they were here. The chat, listen, Ocho. The chat can't remember what they did yesterday. They can't remember what they ate for lunch yesterday, but how they going they remember our conversation?

Ash, have them cut that clip and put it, and we can play it. That's the one thing. See, that's the thing about television. That's the one thing about the internet. I know me. We keep receipts. See, I don't know about you, but see, the old people from the South, we always kept all our receipts in a cigar box.

They put them in a Crown Royal bag. My grandfather carried his receipts in his back pocket. That's why his wallet looked like this big. Right. Ain't had no money, nothing but bills. Nothing but receipts. So, oh, yeah, we're going to get clipped. Ash, make sure you find that clip.

We're going to cut that clip before we go. Check this out, Ocho. Dak is dealing with a partial avulsion, which is off the bone. Hamstring, which means part of the tendon has pulled away from the bone. He has not been put on injury reserve. If he is put on injury reserve, he would have to sit out a minimum of four games,

which would keep him out until at least December 9th against the Bengals. That's a win for y'all, Ocho. But Dak probably would need longer to recover than the four-week period that the injured reserve requires. Team says confidence in Cooper Rush is there for Cooper, but we know what Cooper can do.

Ocho, is it time to see Trey Lance? I mean, even if we do want to see Trey Lance, I mean, the backup quarterback is Cooper Rush, and we say we know what Cooper Rush can do. Actually, we don't because we haven't seen Cooper Rush this year. We don't know how Cooper Rush is going to look with this offensive line.

We don't know how Cooper Rush is going to look without the running game. We don't know. So we have to see Cooper Rush with this Dallas Cowboys defense because the Cooper Rush we did see, the Dallas Cowboys was a completely different team then. They could run the ball a lot better.

They could play defense a little better. Exactly. So the Cooper Rush we're going to see now is a different type of Cooper Rush that has different players around him and he's going to have to do more. He's going to have to do more. So, I mean, I would love to see Trey Lance. I don't want to see Trey Lance

with that offensive line. I don't want to see Trey Lance as a Dallas't want to see Trey Lance with that offensive line. I don't want to see Trey Lance as a Dallas Cowboys quarterback with no running game. I don't want to see Trey Lance as a Dallas Cowboys quarterback with only Stevie Landon to throw the ball to. No disrespect to the rest of the receivers, but I'm just being honest. They wouldn't have got

Brother Mingo from the Panthers. No disrespect to him either. My young boy wasn't even getting or seeing the field the way he should be as a Carolina Panther. But Jerry says we're going to make a move for every receiver. I thought you'd be making a move for someone that can contribute and come in right now and make a difference and help bolster that offense. I'm trying to figure out. The Cowboys gave him a fourth-round pick for Jonathan Mingo.

Ocho, the Chiefs gave him a fifth-round pick for Dee Hop. The Jets gave him a fourth-round pick for Devontae Adams. The Ravens got Deontay Johnson for a fifth-round pick. The Cowboys got Mingo for a fourth-round pick. And Jerry said, can't nobody do a better job than him. I think age. I think age might have something to do with that. You think age has anything to do with that?

You based the pick on the value. The value. Which one of those guys, you think Hopkins or Adams, is more valuable? Who's more valuable? Mingo, Adams, or Hopkins? I mean, obviously the one with the more extensive resume. Okay.

The Chiefs gave up a fifth-round pick to get DeHoff. The Jets gave up a fourth-round pick to get Devontae Adams. The other guy wasn't even playing. And you gave up a fourth-round pick, and you want to tell your fans, and you want to get on radio and on camera and crow about nobody can do a better job than you. The person that delivers the mail could can do a better job than you. The person that

delivers the mail could have done a better job than you. Yeah, I don't understand. I don't understand the decision making by the Cowboys, their organization. Ain't no Cowboys. Jerry. Ain't no damn Cowboys.

Jerry. I don't understand. I don't know. I don't know what he's doing. I don't know. I don't know what he's doing. I don't know what he's doing. The sad part is he don't know what he's doing. Well, you're right. I'm not going to criticize.

You told me to slow down in that area and being critical of that individual. So I'm going to let you have that. He don't know what he's doing. He don't. It ain't my fault he don't know what he doing. He don't. It ain't my fault he don't know what the hell he doing. Yeah.

Damn. See, here's the problem that he has. See, here's the problem that Jerry has. Jerry wants to be the smartest in the room. You see, what happens when you run a business, you don't need to be the smartest in the room. Because if you're the smartest in the room

why are the other mofos in the room yeah bingo I was just gonna say that if you're the smartest in the room you were actually in the wrong damn room you're in the wrong room to begin with this man gave a this man gave a four round pick for a dude they play courtesy

what last time Let me see. What last time? Let me see. I got to Google him, Ocho. I got to see. Keep on talking, Ocho. I mean, I just can't believe that Jerry did that. Yeah, I mean, he had to make a move, though, huh? Who else was out to get?

He had to make a move. Whatever that move was going to be. No, he didn't. He had to make a move with Whatever that move was going to be. No, he didn't. He had to make a move with what? So let me ask you a question. Do you believe he's improved his team with this acquisition? Because you make a move, you're making a move to improve your roster. Has he done that? He said he was going to make a move. He didn't say the move was going to be one to improve the roster,

but what he did do, he added a body. He added a body. Maybe a change of senior is good for Mingo. Maybe a change of senior is good for Mingo. Maybe a change of senior is good for him and he comes to the Cowboys and he's able to contribute in a way that he couldn't with the Panthers. Okay. I'm hoping that's the case.

He was a second round pick out of Mississippi. He had 12 receptions for 121 yards. He had one catch in the past four games. Only two games in his career, he had one catch in the past four games. Only two games in his career has he had more than four catches. Nah. Hey, this sucks, man.

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The Buffalo just traded a third- or fourth-round pick to Cleveland to get a coupe, and the Cowboys traded him for a fifth. And they just traded a fourth to get this dude. So let me ask you this. At what point in time do you think this dude was better than Coupe and should have went for a high pick?

The way them owners think, boy. Nah, ain't no owners the way he think yeah ain't nobody doing that deal hey Mingo only in his second year ain't he he was the second round pick in 20 and 23 damn he a baby boy

yeah he's a baby he's a baby they gave him a third in Cleveland to get Amari Cooper yeah Jerry traded him three years ago for a fifth how you trade a guy for a fifth

three years ago and three years later he go for the team that you traded him to for a fifth trade him for a third now why they do that Angel Cho hey he trying to get you trying to get that goddamn salary off the books that's what he been trying to do okay get the salary off the books. That's what he was trying to do. Okay, get the salary off the books. Get that salary off the books, boy.

But do you realize how foolish you look by doing it? Yeah. But you still, even though you got, even though you don't have to pay for the upcoming season, you still got dead money on your books. So if I got dead money on the books, at least I'm going to get a high-ass draft pick for him.

Think about this, Ocho. The guy was stuck on the bench. So the Panthers wanted to get rid of him. The Panthers got no leverage. Ocho, he's not playing. He's getting what he's had. Hold on. How many catches have he had the last two?

Hold on. What time is it? It's 1229. At 1145, I'm reading a post. I'm hurting. And now I owe 2K. Y'all tune in tonight, Cap. We starting now.

Now, this is from checkmark, blue checkmark, Chad Johnson at Ocho Cinco. Is that you? Hold on. You know what? That's a typo. I meant to hit the one. You know how your fingers slip? Listen to me now. The one and the two

is real close to each other. The one and the two, I do this all the time because my fingers are fat. The keypad on the iPhone is small. Make sure you slip another thousand with that other thousand. Yeah, that definitely

was a misprint, mistype. I said, man, that man said I'm hurting and now 2K. I appreciate it, though, Chuck. I'm going to check 2K. I appreciate this, Ocho. Chad, what should I buy? What should you what?

I'm trying to buy what I should buy with 2K. That's a lot of bread. You shouldn't buy nothing. If I'm paying you 2K and my hard-earned money, matter of fact, you know what I want you to say? I want you to say, you know what? You know what? As my co-host, I love you. Like a little brother, I'm going to say? I want you to say, you know what? You know what? Boy, as my co-host, you know, I love you.

You know, like a little brother. I'm going to let you keep your money. That's what you should say. You should be a good sport. That's what you should be. I'm a terrible sport. But I'll tell you what I'm going to do, Ocho. I do feel bad for you.

You should after that performance tonight by our defense shit all I've been through and matter of fact think about my situation I've been going through yeah think about it so that you want me to take hold on you want me to take three L's she gone

I'm losing 2,000 and my bangles lost that's three strikes and this ain't even baseball. Well, if you add another 1,000, I might be willing to, you know, to help out be able to be a mediator in this situation

for an extra man. Damn. Man, first of all, you knew your defense was terrible. You've been talking about your defense about, oh, the defense bad, man. Oh, they need to get some stuff.

You knew your defense was terrible. The defense is terrible, but the offense is that much better where I felt we can overcome having a bad defense. Ocho, you can't. Ocho, you can. But you have to score on every possession. And you know for the entirety of a game, you're not. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard.

You get 10, 11 possessions. You you score five you had a hell of a game yeah what happens when your defense give up six scores on possessions you lose you get ugly see i'm not so i'm not so sure that had i'm not so sure that had they tied it up, that defense would have held the regulation. With two timeouts, Lamar was going to go down the field and get them in field goal range. Now, I'm not as confident, as tough as I once was,

because it seems like he's developed a little bit of the yips. He's missing stuff that he never missed. He never missed PATs. I think he missed two PATs, maybe three PATs, four PATs this year, three or four. He's missing some. He's been off a little bit this year. Something that we never, ever

softened to. Good luck. I don't know what to say. Trevor Lawrence will not play Sunday. Options are being explored. Surgery is not off the table. Ocho, time for the Jags to move on from Peterson and Lawrence next season.

Obviously, you know Trevor Lawrence isn't going nowhere. Trevor Lawrence just got paid. He's definitely not going nowhere. Correct. So, if anything, players get coaches fired. Based on Trevor Lawrence's performances this year, he probably could get Doug Peterson

and might be out of the door. One of the few bright, one of the few bright lights that are shining over there in Jacksonville is that goddamn Bryce Thomas Jr.

And every time I get the opportunity to give Young Bull praise, that's one of the great things going on for them offensively outside of ATN when he's healthy.

That's it. And Trevor Lawrence, he has the look. He has the look. He has the pedigree, the arm strength, you know, the size and the moxie, all the things the scouts looking for a franchise quarterback. And I thought he was that. I thought he was that. He just hasn't been able to get over the hump and have the consistency that the other quarterbacks have the cj strouds hell the jay daniels has only been there in a year and he's doing it already um who else the joe burrows the josh allens until he finds a

way to to find that consistent rhythm week in and week out you know you're gonna have bad games yeah you're gonna have bad yeah But he strings them together back to back to back and shows flashes of brilliance in who he can be. You got to get out of those flashes of brilliance and show a little bit more consistency. And that's the only way the Jaguars are going to be

in contention. Yeah, I don't know how Peterson saves his job, Ocho. Not after this year. They missed the playoffs last year. Remember, at one point in time, they were the number one seed in the AFC. And they pretend to lose. They proceed to lose the last four or five games and knock themselves out of the playoffs. Not only not win the division, but they don't even make the playoffs.

And then the year before, they had a 24-0, 27-0 lead, and they end up losing that game in the playoffs against the Chargers. So I think it's just a matter of time. I think it's borrowed time in which he's on. I agree with you. Doug Peterson is not coming back in 25. Trevor Lawrence is because they paid him a boatload of money, and you move him

now, that's going to probably be a hundred plus million dollars in dead cap. And plus, he's only 25 years of age. Young young so you're not moving on from him but i don't see it i like doug peterson but i just don't know how you say how he saves his job unless they go on a seven game win streak and end up winning the vision of making the playoffs but other than that i don't show i don't see how i don't see how he saves his job cmc will make it go ahead no No, no, you're good.

You're good. You're good. I was going to say Christian McCaffrey will make his debut this weekend against the Bucs. Are the 49ers about to get back on track? Ocho, they got the Bucs at Tampa. They got Seattle at home, at Green Bay, at Buffalo, Chicago at home, Rams at home, at Miami, Detroit at home on a Monday night,

and Flex game, 2BD against Arizona Week 18. Do you think they're going to run? Absolutely. Absolutely. I think they would have went on a run even if CMC didn't come back. I think they would have gone on a run. But just adding him back to that offense and the dynamic that he brings in the passing game and running game is tremendous.

It makes it that much more difficult for you to defend them, you know, defensively. You know, I know Brent Ayuk is out. I think Jawan Jennings is coming back. I could be wrong if I'm not mistaken. Debo's back. Kiddles is still there. And you add CMC,

that makes them that much more dangerous. Mike Shanahan with CMC back the playbook opens up even more exponentially that's a big word for me I can't spell it but it's a big word for me Saquon was drug tested after reverse

hurdle Ochoa explain why the NFL does this to people at home when something spectacular, a guy has three touchdown catches or 200 yards or 180 yards rushing, a guy has three, four sacks. All of a sudden, randomly, he comes up on a drug test.

Yeah, anytime you have a game like that, Jamar Chase, please expect a drug test in your locker tomorrow or Monday morning, whatever day it is. Normally, when you have a performance like that, a performance that doesn't happen as frequent or as often, they drug test you. I'm not sure what they're thinking they're going to catch. I think they just have an insight, well, this doesn't happen as often as it should. So the

fact that it happened today and in this game, and you've had numbers that are kind of extraordinary, we're going to test you and see if you took something that resulted in helping you perform the way you did today. It's weird. I'll never forget. I got drug tested a few times. One that I can remember,

Claire's day was a performance after we played the San Diego Chargers. I'll never forget. We played the San Diego Chargers. I think I had a 260-yard day. 260-yard day, two touchdowns. Two touchdowns game. Shane broke your record tonight? I think he had. What did he have? 264 tonight? He broke my record last year,

his rookie year. Remember, he had 266. Oh, yeah, that's right. Damn. He had 266. He broke it last year. Remember, he had 266. Oh, yeah, that's right. Damn. He had 266. He broke it last year. He had 264 tonight. And, I mean, to be able to have multiple games like that is

unreal. Unreal. And then you have to think today. Today's game is a lot different than it was when we were playing, huh? You know? We were run first. Now, they throw the goddamn ball all over the place. You can't play defense. You can't touch nobody. So the game is kind of different now

where it's almost damn near like 707 with helmets and pads on. But dude, that motherfucker Chase, man, shit. But that motherfucker special. That boy's special. Ocho, one of the NFL players is an heir to a $500 million

potato empire. St. Center, Conor McGregor, is in his eighth NFL season, and his family company is the biggest potato producer in America. Their main potato supplier are McDonald's, Raising Cane's, Wendy's, and Frito-Lay chips. And when Conor

and McGovern was drafted by the Broncos in 2016, some of his teammates were curious why he was playing football when he could make far more money back home farming. His response, I wanted to make a name for myself and show that my hard work earned myself something, and I wasn't riding the coattails of everybody. But whenever his NFL career ends, the 31-year-old said he would go back to R.D., his family's company, back to research, I guess research and develop,

though he said he'll work his way up from the bottom just like everybody else and earn his way up just like he did in his football career. So the next time you're snacking on McDonald's fries, remember those potatoes are likely coming from Conor McGovern's family farm. That's dope. That's dope. And I like that. Most of the time when you have success or a kid is born into wealth, they don't have that same drive and that work ethic it takes to want to work and actually put the work in to earn and see what it's like to have the responsibilities and what it takes to earn and see what it's like to have the responsibilities and what it takes to earn

that kind of money to be able to support yourself. So I'm not sure if his parents raised him that way. But the fact that he is the way he is is commendable. And then not only for the business to already be successful,

but to have an NFL career and say, I'm going to make good money in NFL. And then when I do retire, I'm going to start from the bottom of the business and work my way back up to the top. in the NFL. And then when I do retire, I'm going to start from the bottom of the business and work my way back up to the top. Ain't too many people built like that, huh? Yeah, but he should,

because I'm sure he doesn't know the business because he was like playing football, college football, NFL football, like the people that's already there. Although a lot of times, yeah, you're right, Ocho. A lot of times family members, hey, my family company, I want to start at a BP level as opposed to an entry level,

learn the ropes, and work your way up. That's why I've always been impressed by Peyton Manning. His dad made lots of money. Yeah. Eli made lots of money. And they're going to be number one draft picks overall and make careers for themselves. You have to commend that.

When your dad is somebody, your mom, your family is somebody, and you say, yeah, that's fine and good, but I want my own name. And people used to tell me all the time, man, your brother got money. That's his money. My brother don't want to be taking care of no grown-ass man. He got a wife and kid. So I want to earn my own. I want to do my own thing.

I appreciate everything that my brother gave me. He gave me just enough to make me desire to get more, but on my own. I saw the thing that he had and he knew I wanted to be like him.

Hey, bro, look what I got. Damn. Inspiring, ain't it man and i went got everything with the exception with the exception he had uh i don't know if you remember this ojo but in the 80s they came out with a bmw called the m3 it had it had a spoil on the back and everything with the exception of that and he had a typhoon every other car that my brother had i got it he got a ferrari i got a ferrari he got a big benz i got a big benz whatever car he had i got right because that's what i saw that's what drove that's what motivated me and for conor mcgritt uh

governed family to be who they are and he's like that's good. Fine. But I want my own name. Yeah. And no matter what happens, I've had an NFL career that's spanned eight years. Maybe it goes nine, ten. Who knows? But when my career's over, yeah, I'm still young. Oh, sure. Think about it.

He'll only be 30. Let's just say for the sake of argument, his career goes another two years. He'll be 33 years of age. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's made good money. He can be 33 years of age. Yeah. He's made good money. He can retire if he wants to. We're going to go into the family business and we're going to expand. Oh, yeah.

I love that. I love when kids come from wealthy families or well-off families and don't feel entitled. Right. I love that. No matter what you know,

you know what you want to say. Cause a lot of times they have access. Bronnie had access. LeBron made sure he had the best trainer. He had the best nutritionist. He had the best coaches. He had the best of everything. But the kid says,

I want to make it on my own. Now he's never going to be able to outrun his dad's shadow. His dad is LeBron. It's just like Jordan kids. They're never going to be able to outrun his dad's shadow. His dad is LeBron. It's just like Jordan kids. They're never going to be able to outrun the door's dad's shadow. But just because that's my dad, I shouldn't walk for myself? So you mean to tell me I can't walk to accomplish something? Just my last name is supposed to get it.

So I commend the kid. I commend him. I love the opportunity. Look, he's supposed to. You're supposed to get it. So I commend the kids. I commend them. I love the opportunity. Look, you're supposed to give them an opportunity. All this old nepotism. Man, nip your ass up my face.

But like I said, I love when kids want to be something on their own. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? I can't do anything. I can't help who my parents are, what I was born into. But I have a desire to be known by more than that. I did that on my own.

Yeah, that's my brother. But Sterling ain't catch no passes at Savannah State. He ain't catch no passes for the Broncos or the Ravens. So no matter what's up, and y'all know this, you know this, NFL want to know who can help. Can you help me win games?

Oh, yeah. That's all to come down to. Because Sterling ain't playing over here. He playing over at Green Bay. He helping Green Bay win games. Yeah. So, kudos to you, Connor McGovern. I'm Michael Kasson, founder So kudos to you, Conor McGovern. The Volume. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company.

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