Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: LeBron addresses Stephen A. Smith on Pat McAfee; Damian Lillard out with a blood clot; Lakers challenging games

Episode Date: March 30, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap Best of Hoops Moments of the week including LeBron finally addressing the confrontation with Stephen A on Pat McAfee, The Lakers continue to lose, & Damian Lillard is out for season with a blood clot & much more!04:20 - Pacers v Lakers22:00 - LeBron James on Pat McAfee33:27 - LeBron James on Pat McAfee continued48:00 - Damian Lillard out indefinitely with blood clot49:50 - Lakers vs. Magic(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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he entered a game in the fourth quarter where he hadn't scored a field goal. He has three points. If I'm not mistaken, I think he only had two points at the half. At the half, yeah.

And he has a streak 18 years. He scored at least 10 points in every game for the last 18 years. It's the longest consecutive streak of double-digit games in NBA history. Yeah. And he kept the streak alive because he was sensational. I think he scored 12 points in the fourth quarter, but none bigger than the tip-in at the buzzer to give them the win.

The Lakers beat the Pacers 120-119. Lakers had a 17-point lead. They squandered that again. Hey, what quarter? What quarter? Third. Third. Every time.

They gave up 37 points in the third quarter. Remember the other night? They gave up 34 points in the third quarter. And it looked like they scored a little over 60 points in the second half. And that'll get you beat. And the Lakers are going to have to find out until it's important to them to take care of the basketball, to play better defense. They're going to find themselves in these kinds of games

because they allow teams to hang around because they turn the ball over. When they can stretch and lead to 20 22 23 they turn the ball over in a couple quick threes and now all of a sudden a 17 point game is down under 10 but when it mattered the most and that's what good players that's what great players do they can play bad no matter the sport hotel they can play bad for a particular period of time but when they absolutely have to have it, they can dig down. Now, a lot of times, you and I both played the game of football. Sometimes when things are not going our way, we allow the creep in our game,

creep into our minds, and it affects our overall play. Yes, sir. I thought he rebounded the ball extremely well. He had 13 rebounds. He led the Lakers in rebounds. He did a great job of facilitating, considering Luka is the primary ball handler now right elemental sense with seven but when he needed it he dug down in his fourth quarter he got it going yeah play half primarily had the ball in his hand while luca was on the bench getting his rest to start the fourth he got his double digits

and then he turned it back over to luca and lu Luka got hot again down the stretch. I think Luka ended up with 34 points. AR, Austin Reeves had 24. But it was LeBron at the end of the ball game that got the tip in at the buzzer because this would have been heartbreaking. This would have been a gut-wrenching loss. They lost this game.

They were on the 0-3 skid. They're on the 0-3 skid for one, like you said earlier, they can play in stretches in the game and get a lead, but because of the lack of defense and always being F-ing, being transitioned, being lazy, turning the ball over, they allow teams to come back in, teams that they should be dominating. Obviously, the game of basketball is a game of runs,

but still, you're playing the Pacers. I'm not saying the Pacers are horribly sorry, but when it comes to the Lakers, if you're serious about not only making the playoffs or keeping the seed that you're in, this is a game that's supposed to go in and dominate quarter by quarter. But yet again, in the third quarter, after having the lead they had, they almost squandered that. They did because the Pacers ended up taking the lead, don't you?

They squandered the lead. The Pacers took the lead. And then, I don't want to butcher his last name. Roy? Rui? Rui? Rui Hachimura. Brother Hachimura. Hakatana. Hit the two threes towards the end of the game. And LeBron

had to come through in a magical moment in the game. They should have lost, honestly. Yeah, but he owed him. He owed him that one. LeBron had to come through in a magical moment in the game, they should have lost, honestly. Yeah. Honestly. But he owed him. Hey, he owed him that one. LeBron owed him that. He's in the locker room saying, hey, knowing LeBron,

he's probably the locker room guy like, hey, that was a big win, but I owe y'all. I owe you. For that first half? For the game. Because I think, what was he, he ended up 4-12? Yeah. So he was 3-11 before that tip in

Ocho so he ended up going 4-12 and he's he knows 0-7 from the three he knows he didn't his overall game but the thing is about a great player you find other ways to impact the game look at his defensive rebounding look I mean look at his rebounding look at his assist uh uh his uh his assist let him in assist let him inounds. But that's what great players do. They find ways to impact the game, even though he wasn't scoring. A lot of times a score, when he's not scoring, he mopes, he pouts, and all of a sudden it impacts other areas of the game. Can you impact the game when you're not doing what you normally do

to impact the game? Find other ways to influence the game. Rebound the basketball. Can I facilitate? Can I play defense? Can I draw a charge or things of that nature? And I was very happy to see LeBron and pull it out.

Had a lot going on today. Luka, in the month of March, 31.4 points a game, eight and a half rebounds, 8.6 assists, 43 points. So basically 44% from the three-point line on 11

attempts per game. He's on pace to be the youngest Laker to average 30 points in a single month since Kobe in 2003. Nah. Hey, I like the Lakers chance.

I love all the mantras, all the quotes of Lakers in five, but I honestly think they need one more piece. As great as Hakata or Ruri is playing, they need something else. Another score. LeBron has an off night. Then Luka gives you what he does tonight. He was kind of off and on, but he still ended up with 34. I think if they just had one more person to give him just a little bit more. I know Reeves is good. I know we can score as well. They just need one more piece of that puzzle.

What they were hoping for that Alex Lynn could give them something. Now, I don't know what they've seen from, what they were hoping for that Alex Lynn could give them something. Now, I don't know what they've seen from Alex since he's been in the league. And you don't like Buddy, man. It's not about like or dislike. I mean, I think the chatter would agree. They watched him at many different stops.

I think he's been in Washington. I think he's been with the Suns. He's been different places. He's what he is. Yeah, he's what he is. He's what he is. I don't care. You take a grizzly bear out of the forest, whether he's in

Alaska or he's in Canada, it does not matter. You take him out of that and you put him in a different environment, he's still a grizzly bear. His instincts does not go away. In other words, if he's sorry over here here what do you expect him to be over there he'd be that i mean it's not like he was good at one point in time on joe and you say you know what hopefully he can summon that up again

but he has not been good at any stop he's tall now, our coach is calling his name. It is what it is. And I'm just being factual. There's not anybody outside there that can help him, Mocho. And the problem is that when Jackson Hayes goes to the bench, they're a small team. They don't have another B. LeBron got to go to the five.

LeBron has to go to the five. Or you bring in Dorian Finney-Smith, and he has to play the five. Right. They're a very, very small team. And that's the problem that you have because you're really not playing Jackson Hayes more than 25 minutes a night. Right. And he's a guy, and the thing that I love about me, you love and you hate,

is that you don't run plays for Jackson Hayes. He's a lob guy. He gets it off the rim. He gives you a second chance opportunities, but he's not a guy that you can run to the bar and say, Hey, he's going to put, Hey,

put his back to the basket, throw it to a hand and you're going to do something with that. That's not what he is. That's not who he is. Right now. I got a question now. Now listen, you know,

my, my, my, my knowledge of the game of basketball is a little limited. I'm getting better at it though. Now listen, if they got to go small, if they got to go small, shouldn't the Lakers at times, depending on who it is,

be at an advantage when it comes to playing small and having to transition up and down the court, as opposed to, you know... Yeah, if the other team goes small, but what happens when they got Jokic out there? What do you do then? And that's the problem. Okay, let's just say you play Memphis.

Right. Memphis got Zach Eady, who's 7'3". Yeah. So even if he's not in real threat, he's just clogging up space. He's not advantageous on offense at all. Or am I wrong? He's going to give you extra possession because of rebounding. Okay. Okay. he's not advantageous on offense at all or am I wrong? He's going to give you extra possession

because of rebounding okay and without rebounding there are no rings without rebounding okay and that's the problem that the Lakers

are going to have even when LeBron has an off night you still have A.R. and Luka that can carry the load if Luka is struggling LeBron and A.R.

can carry the load if A.R. is struggling Luka and LeBron can still carry the load. If Luka's struggling, LeBron and AR can carry the load. If AR's struggling, Luka and LeBron can still carry the load. So who will, look, you got three guys that can score. AR's giving you like 20 a night, LeBron is giving you 25,

Luka's giving you 30. Right. Okay, that's fine. One of those guys struggling that other guys can take over. Need a little bit better production consistently from the bench. You got some good minutes tonight,

but J.J. is just going to have to trust Dalton Kinnick. I think the thing is that he loses his way sometimes on the defensive end. And being around J.J., the little bit I had working with him at ESPN, he doesn't like that. He likes students of the game he likes smart he likes smart guys smart guys you can win with even if they're not the most talented supremely talented guys there aren't bad that doesn't have basketball iq get your ass beat and that frustrates jj because jj wasn't the most talented although he was a great player in

college and a really good player in the NBA, he was very smart. Yeah. He knew where he was supposed to be, when he was supposed to be there. Boom. So he played. Listen, he did all the small things right. Very disciplined. Yes.

Very disciplined. And when you're not supremely athletic, Ocho, you're not supremely athletic, you're not 6'8", 6'9". You got to do everything right. Or you don't have handles like a Kyrie. You're not quick Supreme Athletic. You're not 6'8", 6'9". You got to do everything right. Or you don't have handles like a Kyrie. You're not quick. So what other way can I find a way to get on the court, stay on the court, and not cost my team?

And if you look at it, Ocho, I think there's 10 games left, and you look at three through eight, there's only four games difference. There's only four games difference. There's only four games difference. You're basically, you're three, four games back. Denver Nuggets

have the same win-loss record as the Lakers and they're in the three seed. Lakers are four. Memphis is five. All of them have 28 losses. And then you got the Clippers, Golden State

with 31 losses, which are three games back. And you got Minnesota at 32 losses at a game back of them. So four games separate three through eight, and there's 10 games to go. Right. 10 games in a row.

Excuse me, 10 games to go. So the rubber got to beat the road. Something got to give. Yeah. What's the highest seed? What do you think is preferable for you as a Laker fan for them? Well, I think the thing is that

what would be easier for them best case scenario to be able to get out of the first round or at least have a chance to get into the second round? Have home court advantage. So you need to be one through four to have home court advantage. They're not going to get the one seed because OKC has run away

with that. Right. So the one seed is already etched in stone. Now, could they get the two seed? Yeah, that's a possibility. They got the Rockets

on the schedule. They need to close out this road game strong and then go home and close out that homestand strong. Right. I can see them

three or four. Right. Three or four. Right. Three or four. So that means if everything remains the same, that means they get Memphis in the first round. Ooh, what you like

by that matchup? I love that. Hey, just stay away from OKC. We need to get some rhythm before we see OKC. We need some pressure to mount. Ain't no pressure in the first round. They need pressure.

So you're saying Memphis ain't no pressure? No, not for the Lakers. I like that matchup against Memphis. But you know who Memphis got over there? Yeah, Ja. Yeah. Yeah. I give you Ja, I'm going to give you Luka.

Who you taking? OK. I give you Ja, I give you LeBron. Who you taking? Okay. I give you John, I give you LeBron. Who you taking? Okay. Okay. Now, they got Jaron Jackson, who's a DPOY candidate, who made the All-Star game.

Bane has played well in the absence. John's nursing a hamstring or something, but he's been up and down. Now, when he's been in, he's John. I mean, he's the second pick in the draft. He's been an all-star, so you know what he can do. I mean, nobody's surprised.

I mean, just to actually go to a game and watch him and to watch the way he elevates and the way he can contort his body. He's special. He's a guy that, you know, I pay my good money to go see because that's what he is.

Look, I basically, if I'm paying my money to come see you, I ain't paying my money to come see you. I don't give a damn how many points you average. Ain't that interesting? That's got nothing to do with me. Ja is interesting. Because he can finish above the rim,

got a nice little float game, mid-range shot. He's gotten better at shooting the set three. But he's fun to watch. I like that matchup. Do I think they can beat anybody? Yes.

In seven games? Absolutely. Because Luka and LeBron can both take over a game and give you 40. Mm-hmm. So those two guys, but Nathaniel Socho in the playoffs, your three best guys need to be really good. Two out of three need to be great. Damn near every single night.

Now, if I'm getting 80 points, if I'm getting 65 to 80 points from my big three, I'm going to need the other six guys, because you're not going to go that deep. Playoff start, you might go nine.

As you go further, you reduce that. But I'm going to need those other nine guys. If those three guys give me eight, I'm going to need those other guys to give me 35. And they're going to have to get a little bit more production from the bench. Gabe Vinson is shooting the ball a little better. Penny Smith is doing a little better,

but they got to make a decision. What are we going to do at Dawn Connect? Because he can shoot the three, but he gets lost on defense. He gives up easy buckets. And I don't know what's – something is being lost in translation, Ocho. He's a liability. Well, all of them – look, Luke ain't playing no defense. All three, bless his heart, ain't playing defense.

LeBron can't sit in the chair no more. LeBron is mainly a help, side defender. He does use his body really well. Guys try to go around him. He'll body him up because that's a big man to try to move. And so he slows him down like that. But LeBron can't sit in the chair and no one expects him to, Ojo.

He's 40. What guy you know play defense at 40? Kobe didn't. Jordan didn't. I'm talking about historically great players. Even Pippen that didn't play until he was 40, he couldn't slide those feet like he could when he was in his prime. We understand that because you and I talked about it the other night.

The lateral quickness is what you lose as we start to age. Oh, yeah. So with that being said, Ocho, I like the Lakers. I believe they can beat anybody in the Western Conference. Yeah, it'll be a struggle. But OKC... Oh, you see that fire?

We still... We still winning the fire. So you want to hold up going to the next topic, Ash? Okay. Ocho. Yo. I don't know if it was this morning or it was taped yesterday. I'm thinking this morning.

What happened? LeBron went on the Pat McAfee show. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. He had a lot to say today. Yeah, that was out of character to him. I've never seen him in that setting before and actually just talking freely like that. Yeah. So, we're going to get to that in just a second while we wait for TJ to connect.

But the Lakers, I'm looking at the Clippers. I think the thing is, Ocho, you're trying to stay out of 7 through 10 because you don't want to play any more games than you have to. You want rest. And it won't start until the 7, 8, 9, 10 is determined, the player, who's going to be 7, who's going to be 8, to that determined. So you need rest.

LeBron James is 40. He's been playing, what, 38, 39 minutes tonight? So he's So you need rest. LeBron James is 40. He's been playing. He played what? 38, 39 minutes tonight. So he's going to need rest. Any bumps and bruises, you want to try to get those guys as healthy as you possibly can. Now, the best thing about the playoffs, you don't play every other, you don't play it back to back.

Right. I mean, the first game you play, and then you might have a couple of days off, and then you get into the routine, you play it every other day. Okay, you can live with that. But you try to get LeBron, LeBron's going to need

as much rest as he possibly can because he is 40. Here's what it is. And so once they determine who they're going to, once they are, if they can secure one of these top six seeds,

you avoid the play-in, you get an opportunity to get a couple of days of rest, and then, hey, for tomorrow, it's for all the game. Ocho, now, LeBron James went on the Pat McAfee show today, nearly three weeks after confronting Stephen A at a basketball game.

Yeah. LeBron broke his silence on the incidents, referring to the fallout as a Taylor Swift tour run for Stephen A. The beef started, excuse me, over comments Stephen A made regarding Bronny. I initially wasn't going to say anything. I wasn't going to talk about it. We didn't talk about it. Y'all didn't hear anything from me for about the incident for three weeks ago,

but now LeBron has went on PMAT, and we have to talk about it now. LeBron said he hasn't been too happy with how Stephen A has reacted to the situation. He's on a Taylor Run Swift tour right now. It started off with, I didn't want to address it, but since the video came out, I feel, this is LeBron talking, I need to address it. He completely missed the whole point.

The whole point, never would I allow people to talk, not allow people to talk about a sport and criticize players about what they do. This is your job to criticize or to a position where there's a guy that's not performing, you know, that's all a part of the game.

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address it this is what happened he came over to me said what he said I want to address it now and I'm going to be done with it right because as my grandma used to say boy stirring up old ish it still smells so every time

Stephen A talks about it it stirs it up again. Yeah. And look, I see both sides of the equation, but Stephen A just needs to let it go. He needs to let it go. And now you're like, well, if he'd have hit him, I don't think LeBron was coming to hit you. LeBron was coming to tell you, you bro just stop talking about my son right he said because you said oh as a father now you're making it personal you're making it personal because now you're making it seems and this is how lebron i think took it you're making it seem that i'm not a good father that i'm not putting

myself and putting my son in the position right to successful. And so you're pushing this. And so LeBron took it a certain way. And am I surprised LeBron responded the way he did so publicly? Because LeBron is a very private person. Yes, sir. He might have an issue with someone, and you will never know it. You'll never know it, yeah. You will never know it.

And so for him to do that at a game and it wasn't after the game it wasn't before the game it was the third quarter during a timeout right let you know how upset he was at steven and what steven had been saying but at this point in time i understand lebron they asked lebron about this but if Stephen A, hey, guys, I've already addressed that. He said what he said. I understood his point. I said what I said. Now it's time to move on.

Look, it's not going to stop me from talking about LeBron James, the basketball player on the court. But the incident, I feel that we've talked about it ad nauseum. I feel we've talked about it enough, and now it's time to move on. That's what I wish Stephen A. would do. But like you said, I mean, look, I get it. That's LeBron James. It's the biggest name in pro North American sport.

And when you mention his name, good, bad, or indifferent, people don't want to click and hear what you have to say about him. But the one thing I know about this guy, and I know him a a little bit i don't know him as well as a lot of people do right that man loves his family he's gonna protect his family now always always and i think i think when you think about it and you go back to the way things things happen with lebron actually addressing stephen a core side is well what what Stephen A said, obviously was said publicly on a public forum on TV. So he addressed it the same, the exact same way, publicly courtside in the middle of a game. Yes. Yes.

As a father, you know, and like Stephen A said, he understood where LeBron was coming from. Knowing Stephen A, I think in the individual that he is, LeBron said what he had to say today, I'm sure Stephen A is going to respond to that. Think about it. Anytime anyone says anything to or about Stephen A, he's going to have an answer

to whatever is being said. That's just him. It's always been him. I know you would like him to leave it alone, but I don't think that's not how. That's just him. And it's always been him. I know you would like him to leave it alone, but I don't think that's not how it's going to go. The only thing I would have said

was, Stephen A., look, I know people are going to be like, man, LeBron should have stole on you. LeBron should have did this. Man, they just talking. Stephen A.,

man, you say, I'm about to be 57, you're about to be 58. That ain't even your MO. Right. You ain't going to fight nobody. LeBron even your MO. Right. You ain't gonna fight nobody. LeBron wasn't gonna swing on you, and you wasn't gonna

LeBron wasn't gonna swing on you, so there would have been no need for you to swing on him. I'm glad you guys stood there and y'all talked. Look, he said what he said. You seemed to be receptive at the time of it. You said you understood because he was speaking to you as a father

and not LeBron James, the basketball player. And seemingly you said you understood that. Let it go now. Let it go now. Look, I don't mean I had issues. I remember I had a conversation with Kevin Durant when he first got traded to Phoenix. And I

walked into the hotel. I was like, damn, that's KD and he said oh let me holla at you right quick I said what's up okay you know I'm like damn I ain't get no dab no dab

what what he said let me holla at you right quick I said what's up bro he said man what's it what it is you got beef with me you don't like me or something I said man why you say that

he said man the way you talk I said KD bro I you say that? He said, man, the way you talk. I said, KD, bro, I'm passionate. I say any topic that we discuss on that show, I'm very, very passionate. I spend a lot of time researching it, and I'm very, very careful to what I say. I said, KD, it ain't about no like or dislike. I say, I don't know you personally. All I talk about is what you do on the court. That's it.

Whatever you may or may not do off the court court i don't give a damn right i said you can ask your mom i've had i've talked to your mom ad nauseum or she used to come on the show i've seen that event i said katie ain't no like or dislike i said i'm just passionate about topic, bro. I say, I ain't got no, I don't dislike anybody, because I don't know anybody to dislike them. It's not like me and Oak when I used to hang out with Oak. Oak used to work out. Charles Oakley used to run on the track

with us. Oak used to come to the gym and work out with me. Oak and I used to go out to Houston's. That was his favorite restaurant. The N-word always got the cheese toast. Me and Oak have a relationship. I pick up the phone and call Oak. I say, I don't know any of these current players like that.

I say, but I'm just passionate about topics. I say, bro, I ain't no like or dislike. I say, but if I didn't like you, you'd know it. Right. He said, all right. He said, man, you know it. Right. He said, all right. He said, man,

I just, he said, I just, you know, I said, cool, bro. I said,

I ain't got no problem with you. I said, anytime. Hey, say, hey, here, give me your phone.

We exchanged numbers, left it at that. He saw, I was at the game the other, last year, a couple of years ago, I took my daughter to the first, was it my business?

Nah, it was two years ago. But anyway my daughter to the first. Was it my business? Now it was two years ago, but anyway, yeah. Had to talk to a, talk to him on the bench, laughing, talk. I ain't got no problem with nobody.

Oh, Joe. And I, and I'm not trying to go for bad or nothing like that. Cause that, but that ain't how I am. Right. I think when guys see me,

they know I ain't, ain't all about that, man. I'm just, I'm just cool. I just want to vibe, have a good old time. But like I said,

I appreciate, instead of him like, you know, Brie on Twitter and the internet trying to blow it up. Hey, somebody got a problem with me?

Just, hey, come to me. Right. Just come to me. I ain't got no problem. I'll talk to anybody, anybody, anywhere about anything.

You got a problem with what I said? Oh, why you said that? Sean, why you said that? anything. You got a problem with what I said? Oh, oh, oh, oh, why you say that? Sean, why you say that? Right. This is why I said that. Go ahead.

You know what I do like, though? I'm not sure how the people in the chat feel, but I enjoy when you talk about Kevin Durant, players of that magnitude, elite players. I mean, obviously, we talk about one of the greatest scorers of all time. I love the way Kevin Durant uses social media. I love the way he's so accessible to the people, to be the star that he is, with LeBron and allowing himself to be vulnerable. What LeBron did today, I've never seen LeBron do before. What he did on the Pat McAfee show, sitting there for an hour straight

and actually just being vulnerable, talking about everything. I really, really enjoyed that because there's some from LeBron that obviously I've never seen before, and I really, really enjoyed that. And I wish more superstar elite athletes would do that, be a little bit more open, be a little bit more accessible. And, I mean, it was just enjoyable. It was enjoyable to see him outside that normal setting of not being viewed as the king, if that makes sense. Well, most of the great players are going to be guarded because they're only going to give you so much. They're going to allow you to see so much of what they want you to see.

If you look at all the great players, they've always very very guarded they're not gonna totally let you inside especially why they're a current player but uh back to this uh lebron and pat mcafee like you said ocho we're not used to seeing lebron james sit down for an extended period of time normally like when he's in the finals or he's in the playoff, he would sit down. That's like five. That's like 10 minutes. And it's always basketball related too, huh? It's always basketball related. He's literally talking about other stuff going on in life.

He's being vulnerable. Let people in. Something he's never, never, ever done before. Players like that of his magnitude, of his status status that allows the world and the public to see what he wants you to to actually sit down for a change i guarantee you if they were to do the numbers on how many people watch that that pat backer show i bet it's astronomical crazy because it's something he's never done right and uh you know and to see and to see like you said to see him but that just lets you know that he and for me looking at him considering that he

had ever ever done anything like this before the think about how many people have criticized him yeah and he's never ever done it before so that lets you know he had gotten to a place that he's like, I've had it up to here. Yeah. And I don't know if he knew. I don't think he knew Stephen A was going to come to the game. But he had it in his mind if he ever saw Stephen A, he was going to step to him. But he got Stephen A number. He got a text to call him.

If there was an issue, you get a text to call him If there was an issue You get a text or call him They communicate with each other Obviously they have some Some sort of relationship No they don't You don't think so? No Okay well my bad

No But like you said I mean what do you mean no they don't now as opposed to I don't think they've ever had an relationship where they pick up the phone and they talk to each other like that I don't think they've ever had that type of relationship do I think they've been cordial

to each other I remember I think I saw something on an old clip maybe with youtube where steven actually sat down and he interviewed lebron but i don't think they're in a situation where they like pick up the phone they have each other they can call each other like that i don't i don't know if any lebron is maybe teammates i and it could i could be wrong i could be wrong i could be totally wrong but i don't know if if lebrron has his number or he has LeBron's number. LeBron is, you know, very, very, very. LeBron rocked with who he rocked with.

And I think once you get to this level, if you hadn't if you haven't developed a friend by now, LeBron James ain't letting you in his circle. Right. It's really that simple. So he got he got his friends, you know, Rich is his agent. Maverick is his steps chief of staff. Mav is one of his business partners. I'm trying to think who else he rocks. Chris Paul. He's very close to Chris Paul. I think he's the grand grand grandfather to run a CP three that I think advice birds are the same thing with CP. Right. But other than that, I don't think LeBron has a whole lot of what we call I look at those

guys like I look at Bucket like I look at Bucket and Burns. He ain't got a whole lot of Bucket and Burns in his life. You ain't got a whole lot of, you know, TJ, your boy, you rock with TJ or T.O. You ain't got a whole lot of them. Yeah, nah.

And I look at LeBron and I think LeBron is kind of like that. But hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, everybody's made their point. Yeah.

LeBron was upset what he said. Steve and they said what I was trying to say. Sometimes things get lost in translation. It is what it is. But at the end of the day, I think we've got a lot of juice. I think both have kind of squeezed that orange, JoJo.

Yeah. And got a lot of juice out of it. And then LeBron took a aim at Wendy. Brian Windhorst said, this guy says he's my best effing friend. These guys are just weird. I don't know if Wendy's ever said. I think Wendy went to the same school he went to, Ocho. I don't think so.

I don't think Wendy. I've never heard. And I could be wrong. Guys, hell, I was on Undisputed for seven years. I didn't hear everything Wendy said. As a matter of fact, I didn't watch anything on anywhere. All I watched was the games that were on ESPN. I don't watch any other debate shows.

I don't watch any other shows that do what I do when I'm going to be talking about something because I don't want what they say to creep in what I'm going to say. So I don't watch it. So Wendy, Chad, if he said that he was LeBron's best friend, I apologize. But I don't recall. And if I misspeak, I apologize to you guys, but I don't believe Wendy

has said that he's LeBron's best friend. I think because he's covered LeBron for so long, and I think they went to the same school, St. Vincent, St. Mary's, he says, I think he said I might probably know him better than anyone else. But I don't get why he would say that about Wendy.

Man, you never know. I think, like I said, LeBron is probably, LeBron is fed up. He's on, I'm not saying he's on the way out the door, but he's on the tail end of everything. And now he's opening up a little bit more, doing things out of character that he normally wouldn't do, which giving the people what they want letting us in you know giving us a glimpse of what's inside the world and mind of lebron king james and i i enjoyed it i enjoyed it uh i hope he does more of it i hope other athletes uh do more of it You know what? I wish LeBron was like Jeff Teague.

Have you ever sat and listened to him tell stories? Yeah. LeBron, it would be an honor for him to take a page out of Jeff Teague's book and be that bone open and open and just give it to stories. I would love that. Yeah. LeBron talked about his relationship with MJ. While he still has a missed respect for Jordan,

the pair don't talk much these days. I think that would change when he retires from NBA, saying Jordan's intense competitive spirit is why the two don't talk much now. We all know MJ. Even if you don't know him personally, he's one of the most ruthless competitors there is. And until I'm done and he doesn't have to look at me,

run up and down that court wearing the 23, every time my name is mentioned, it's mentioned with his. He's like, I don't want to effing talk to you. Do you agree, Ocho? I mean, that's dope. That's dope. Listen, that's the competitor, the competitor nature in MJ. I think it's understandable

especially when it comes to him i think he's he's um not closed off but mj and kobe are alike in a sense kobe mj and kobe are alike in a sense i think their relationship will be much better and a lot closer once lebron is done playing yeah they Yeah. They go play golf together, go play golf together, smoke cigars, you know, have a little, have a little wine, whatever it is that they do. But right now,

while LeBron is actively playing, I don't think him and MJ just outside of playing the game of basketball and being successful businessmen, there's not much for them to talk about right now. The only friend I know Jordan got is Oak.

I mean, Oak is his guy now i've been around jordan a little bit and he is ultra ultra competitive first thing i mean i want hey you want to play cards no i don't want to play cards because you know jordan games you got to come down with at least 100 100 100 grand 200 grand in cash oh yeah he don't play. He do not play. Yeah, I was like, no. I said, bro, you're not finna have me. You're not finna have me living on the streets. I love my house. It ain't short.

But I ain't trying to keep up with you, no. No, I don't play no $5,000 or $50,000 a hand. Hell no. Woo. No, bro. Bro, guess what? As long as they make shoes with that logo you got money coming in i ain't in the nfl no more i ain't got no more money coming in you know i was 35 then i can draw my pension

at 62 so i got five another five years before i can get that on show before i take a penalty hell no i ain't gambling with you as a matter of fact i'm mad you asked me that you know damn well i ain't got no money no i'm gonna i'm gonna let you and i'm gonna let you and oh because i think they play guts it's kind of like boo ray right you ever play boo ray no sir no sir or in between but nah hell nah he also uh uh uh lebron talked about yannis on pmac you trying to tell me yannis wouldn't be able to play in the nba games in the 70s yannis would have had 250 points in a game in the 70s but let me ask you see you transporting yannis today back then right do y'all really know what they did did y''all see those fights? How many people got to go down the lane?

See, the stuff that they called a foul now, that wasn't no foul. There was nobody getting suspended for slapping an ish out of somebody. I mean, what did Karl Malone put 44 stitches in Isaiah's head? You still

think you want to come down the lane? Do y'all remember uh the finals in 84 when larry when uh um larry burke with uh who was that kevin mccale snatched kurt rambus inside the sky yeah yeah and it wasn't a playground it wasn't nothing if nobody was suspended you can't take the modern play because oh you're talking about technology and you talk about the modernization yes Yes, if you transform Giannis today and put him back then, look at that.

Yeah. What player couldn't? What player, if I take Ocho, if I take you today, you know what you know in the technology that you've been able to develop and put you back in the 70s. Man, Ochoa will kill it.

Yes. Modernization. That's unfair. Yeah. I think from... It's just like it's unfair. One more thing, Ochoa. Just like it's unfair to say, oh,

man, the Jordan played today, he averaged 50. How about this? Let's leave everybody in the era in which they played in. Giannis plays in the two, two,

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two, Let's leave everybody that, because it's unfair. Yeah. It's unfair. Look, I get it. It's a conversation, but come on. Because we're not being fair to the guys that played in that era. That was great. Right.

Because it's almost like if you talk about these guys like you're trying to minimize them, and I get mad at the old guys for trying to minimize the current players. Guys, you were great. Nobody's trying to rob you of that. You were great. These guys are great. The guys in the 60s, that were great. The guys in the 70s were great. Guys in the 80s. Right.

But it's unfair, Ocho. Yeah. I mean, listen, I understand what LeBron was saying. Obviously, he has exaggerated a little bit. But if you look at the players from back then, I know just being honest, from a technical standpoint, from a physical standpoint, I know what they did in between the lane and being physical and slapping and punching and all that.

But you're thinking about Giannis and Giannis today. Oh, my goodness. It's called technology, Ocho. You got an opportunity to work on things. Guys didn't have modern medicine. They didn't have technology. Think about when you ruptured Achilles.

You were done. You tore a knee. You were done. You had that big-ass bulky knee brace, that big dunjoy on. It's different now. We got modern medicine. We know how to eat.

We know how to train. We have personal trainers. And physio. Those guys in the 60s and 70s and 80s didn't have the money to have all of this stuff. You can have a chef that prepares every meal to your specifications. You can have a physio. You can have a Mike Macias as LeBron, as, excuse me, as Jordan had Tim Grover. Tim and I, good Tim and I, we still, we text a lot now. But it's different. It's not fair that you try to compare this era to that era or that era to this era. Made for This Mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles, break free from the chains of trauma, and silence the negative voices that have kept them small.

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Dame is out indefinitely. Should the Bucs be thankful that Giannis had all-time finals run in 2022? I mean, 2021. Because it seems like ever since then, at some point in time, a key player has been injured. Chris Middleton was injured. Then there was a couple

years that Giannis was injured, and then you had Giannis and Dame both injured, and now Dame is injured. And the Bucs are not going anywhere with just Giannis. First of all, he's not going to be at the Cavs without him, and he's not going to be able to beat the Celtics. Damn, he wasn't

going to probably be able to beat the Celtics with Dame, let alone with it without him. I'm not so sure they can beat the Knicks without Dame. The days of one guy dominating a series and winning the whole, that's over. You forget all about that. I mean, it's unfortunate.

It's unfortunate. Obviously, it's very, very serious. When Miyama has something similar to this, if I'm not mistaken, I don't know if the diagnosis is exactly the same, but obviously it's a blood clot. I'm glad they were able to catch it. It sucks.

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especially when it comes to... Oh, yeah, you on blood thinners. You probably go, you'll be on blood thinners the rest of his life. Man. Yeah, that sucks, man. I hope he gets better fast, man.

The Lakers fall to the magic. 109-98. The Lakers win to the magic, 109-98. The Lakers win three with three losses in a row. They lost seven out of their last ten ballgames. They lost to Boston, Brooklyn, Milwaukee, Denver. Then they won three straight, beat Phoenix, San Antonio, Denver. Then they lost another three straight, Milwaukee, Chicago, and Orlando. The Lakers' bench was outscored 30-14,

which was an issue. The Lakers got to do a better job of guarding. Watch this game from start to finish. They're just not guarding. They're just not guarding. Now, look. They're about a year or two away. Orlando, Paulo Banqueiro,

and Ron Wagner. Oh, they legit. Oh, they legit legit. Yeah. They legit legit. Oh, they legit legit. Yeah. They legit legit. Van Carrow had 30. Wagner had 32. And then they got Black came up to bitch and gave him 17.

But they are legit. The Lakers got to do a better job of defending. It's really that simple. They didn't shoot the ball well. They shot about 46%. They shot 28 free throws. The free throw was pretty close uh 10 or 32 from the three-point line the difference was uh uh orlando shot damn near 50 from the floor you're not gonna be the team if you allow them to shoot 50 from the floor and uh but everything was was really

close i mean orlando had 43 rebounds 12 offensive the. The Lakers had 39, 11 offensive. But the only difference I could really see, Ojo, was that third quarter got them again. The Lakers had a two-point lead at the half, and then they get outscored in the third quarter by about 14-16. And it's the third quarter again. J.J.'s going to have to push some different buttons because they come out lackadaisical,

and they let the team go on the run. And it's hard to reattach yourself to them when they get a streak like that. But give Orlando credit. They won. As a matter of fact, they stopped Cleveland. They went on the road. Cleveland had a 16-17 game win streak.

They went into their building and they won. So, they are better than their record would indicate. But the problem was, Ben Carroll got hurt at one point in time. Wagner got hurt at one point in time. So, they haven't been able to play an extended period of time together. But this is a good team. Don't let their record fool you.

But the Lakers have to be disappointed. They got to play better. They're in fourth spot right now. They're two and a half, I think, two and a half games out of the second spot. But tonight, again, it was defense. They gave up 146 Saturday night, and they gave up 118 tonight. And they had been playing really, really good defense up until that point. Okay.

Now, with everything that you said, they're in fourth, right? They lost tonight. You understand the problems and the woes that the Lakers are having, the inconsistencies. They want to run. You're understanding their woes coming out of halftime in the third quarter, allowing teams always going to run. Now, think about everything you just said.

I want your honest answer and your honest opinion. Is it still Lakers in five? Lakers in five. Lakers in five. Look, that's fixable. Look, that's fixable, Ocho. That's something like, look, guys,

we've got to do a better job of defending. And you can't, guys can't get broken down off the first dribble. You get broken down at the first dribble, now you're compromised because help's coming. And now they swing the ball, they're getting wide open threes, or they're getting uncontested layups. So you can't get broken down off the first dribble. They got outscored 34-18 in the third quarter I mean there's no there's no way

should a Lakers team that got Luka Doncic and LeBron James on the court only score 18 points in a quarter yeah and if you only score 18

you better make sure they don't they don't score more than 22 because if you do that and I get it the Lakers I think they played what seven games at one point played, what, seven games?

At one point in time, they had seven games in 10 days. But we don't do excuses here. You either win or you lose. There's a very short on sports menu at my restaurant. Only thing I got on my menu is dubs and L's. That's all you can order. You can't order excuses because I don't serve it. So the Lakers are going to have to find a way to play better in the third quarter.

They're going to have to find a better way to defend because this is not acceptable. This is not acceptable. I mean, look at all these minuses. Dorian Finney-Smith, minus six. LeBron, minus 17. Jackson Hayes, minus 10. Luka, minus nine.

Austin Reeves, minus seven. Every starter was minus. Hell, as a matter of fact, everybody was minus. That's not good enough. You can't win like that. There's no way around it. You can't win like that.

And when you take Jackson Hayes out, Bron is basically playing the five. Too small of a lineup. Yeah. I mean, maybe, maybe the last two, three minutes, four minutes of a ball game,

you can run this lineup, but not when they go in Bankero, not when they go in Wendell Carter, not when they go in Franz Wagner. It's too small. Yeah. It's too small. Redick admitted the Lakers looked tired tonight. We weren't able to sustain the level of intensity we started the game with. They did. They scored 30

in the first quarter, 30 in the second quarter, 60. They had a two-point lead, 60 to 58 at the half. But then again, out of the third quarter, here come Orlando. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And there you go. Same quarter every time.

Maybe they played some different music at the half, huh? They need to do something. Because this ain't getting it done. This ain't getting it done. I mean, and what's their record? So that's 50, that's 61, that's 71 games. They only got 11 games left, Ocho. Yeah.

You're supposed to be gearing up. You're supposed to be playing your best ball heading into the playoffs. Not, you know, maybe they left a little bit on, because at one point they were like 18 and 3 out on the left. Won a bunch of games. You don't want to be sliding going into the playoffs. You want to be playing your best ball heading into the playoffs.

But this performance was unacceptable. And Don Connect only played five minutes. But I think a lot of that has to do with his defense intensity. I mean, he needs to understand. I mean, he just gets lost.

And I can tell J.J. doesn't like minimal stakes. Yeah. That irks him because he's a perfectionist. And he wants guys like guys. We went over this. That's why I couldn't coach. We went over this. The guy comes, okay, you stay on that guy.

Don't try to fight over the top and lead the guy on a wide open three. So, Lakers got some problems. Nothing they can't solve. They got, what, three more games on this road trip? I think they got a four-game road trip before they turn back to the Crip. Oh, I know that hurt. I know those road trips back to Indiana. Yeah.

Yeah. So they got three more games on the road, Ocho, before they return home. They need to play better than what they played tonight or definitely what they played against the Bulls. They picked right up where they left off, not playing defense. They started with great intensity in the first half, but that waned in the third quarter, and that was really

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