Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: LeBron & Bronny in Cleveland, Unc’s shocking confession, Pat Bev goes off

Episode Date: October 31, 2024

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and NBA champion J.R. Smith discuss Los Angeles Lakers’ LeBron and Bronny James return to Cleveland in a 134-110 loss to the Cavs. Later, Ocho and J.R. are in shock as Unc says he wouldn’t hesitate to fire his own kids if necessary, Patrick Beverly saying JJ Reddick would have been fired  if the Lakers would've started off 0-3 and much more!03:13 - Show start03:35 - Intro07:30 - Lakers v Cavs39:20 - Pat Bev on JJ Reddick51:00 - D-Wade on Statues58:30 - Joe Mazulla wants fighting back(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and it's called Part 3 Podcast. I repeat, you can follow JR on all platforms. He has a podcast called par3podcast on all platforms. That's at par3podcast. Again,

at par3, the number, podcast. Let's give JR Smith Swish a round of applause. What's happening? What's happening, man? I appreciate y'all having me, man. Bro, we appreciate this. We really appreciate.

You played for a long time. Obviously, you understand the game. You are a very integral part on teams that went to the championship that won a championship. So it's nice to have somebody when we talk basketball. We had Gil last year.

Gil did an unbelievable job. And Gil, from time to time he says we ever need him he's available um and so gill we really thank you for your contribution and your service last year jr is your turn is your turn under fire so we look forward to getting your expertise on a lot of different subjects uh when it involves basketball and hey we're gonna talk football we're gonna talk a whole lot of other things i involves basketball. And, hey, we're going to talk football. We're going to talk a whole lot of other things. I know you're a football fan.

So, Allen Goff. I don't want to talk football. I don't want to talk football with y'all. My team looking bad. We looking stank right now. I don't want to talk football right now. All right. All right, let's get right into it. The Cavaliers blow out the Lakers 134-110

as Bronny James scored his first NBA point and his dad watches from the bench. Jared Allen scored 20 points, had 17 rebounds. Evan Mobley had 25 points, and Donovan Mitchell had 24 points. The Lakers were led by LeBron James, who played only 29 minutes because the game got out of hand. Anthony Davis continued his great play, having 22 points and 13 rebounds. The Lakers were unable to cut the Cleveland lead after falling behind by 23 in the first half. And Anthony Davis continued his great play, having 22 points and 13 rebounds.

The Lakers were unable to cut the Cleveland lead after falling behind by 23 in the first half. In the final minutes, Bronny grew up in this arena. He made a 14-foot jumper with two minutes and three seconds to play for his first NBA point. He's only a little over 40,000 from catching his dad. Swish, when you watch this uh and considering how well the lakers had played uh even though they lost the other night i think it was last night i think last night they lost uh by four to uh phoenix but they won the previous three when you look at them the first three games last night and tonight what didn't you like about what you saw from the Lakers? I mean, for me, it's a lot about ball movement. You know, for one, I mean, Bron is what, 40?

About to be 41. He's about to be 40. Yeah. He's about to be 40. 84. So, no, he'll be 40 on December 30th. Yeah. So, for me, it's like, at the end of the day,

like seeing him lead the charge is concerning and it's alarming because obviously you know you need an extra guy you need an extra guy or two to be doing it at his age it's incredible

but at the same time he shouldn't have to be carrying the load like that and for me what's alarming at that is when you look at the guys who've been working out all season long, all off-season long, been in the gym, it's like this is the time, especially earlier on in the season, this is the time where you start displaying. So further on down the line, down the road, middle of the year,

end of the year, they're like, okay, we can trust this guy. This is where he's been excellent. For me, being in those situations, I don't see that from their role players, the guys they brought back. Like, where are you getting better at? Like, what part of their game were you evolving to where, okay, we was lacking this part last year.

I'm going to be a knockdown shooter. I'm going to be a lockdown defender. I'm going to be somebody who's getting in the pick and roll and, you know, makes plays. I'm going to be a lockdown defender. I'm going to be somebody who gets in the pick and roll and makes plays. I don't see that from this team so far. So for me, that's the most alarming part about it, but it is still hurtful. Yeah, I'm watching them into the turnovers.

When you look at it, AD had the most shot. He had 19. He was 9 of 17. Rui was 4 of 6. LeBron was 9 of 13. D'Lo was 4 of 6. LeBron was 9 of 13. D-Lo was 2 of 7. And Austin Reeves was 2 of 6. Now, that's 2 of 6 and 2 of 7 is not a great

percentage. But they only got 6 shots. Swish? They only got 7 shots. AD only had 19 because you had 20 turnovers. So now you don't even give yourself an opportunity to get into an offense. You don't even give yourself an opportunity to knock down shots. To get into the pick and roll or you know what i'm saying to run the dribble drive to drop a dribble handoff so when you turn the ball over you give them easy

buckets on the other end and so now they shoot 58 from the floor they shoot 42 from the three well if you allow a team to shoot 58 from the floor switch you, if you allow a team to shoot 58% from the floor switch, you know this. If you allow a team to shoot 42% from the three, you're losing that game. You're going to get smoked. And you're probably going to lose it by a lot. Yeah, I was about to say, you're going to get smoked. You ain't going to lose.

It's going to be embarrassing. For me, it's like, you know, obviously a guy like Austin Reeves, some nights you're going to have off nights and stuff like that, but you got to figure out a way for him to get more than six to eight shots. Like if he's going to be that one of those, the third guy to Brian,

the 80, he's got to figure out a way to get eight more, at least 10 to 12 shots. The Angela Russell, 10 to 12 shots. I mean, 24 minutes, five assists at the point guard with the players you're playing with.

No disrespect to D'Lo, but I'm going to need more out of that. And on top of that, you're not my primary defender on the ball. So you got to give me something. So for me, it's a lot of that. And on top of that, when I sit here and look at it, they had 37 assists to their 21. You ain't going to win many games like that. You know what? I got a question.

You talk about some of the players that need to take more shots. How do you know when it's okay to take those shots? Do you have the green light from the head coach? Do you have the green light from the other players to override passing the ball and have the willingness to shoot? How much he make? D'Lo make about what, about 17 to 21?

Don't ask me nothing about shots. What you talking about shots? Just let it go? You can shoot at will based on your salary? 100%. What they gonna say? What they gonna say? Hey, look. When they ain't throw you

the ball, it was by yourself or just man on man what you was looking hey bro ain't no man over the top ain't nobody over the top helping give me the ball right this is prime time so for me when i look at it honestly like when i look at guys like d-low reeves and you're going in that third fourth option rui rui you i mean rui for sure. I think Rui's a lot. He's underrated for me because what he does is disguised by how good LeBron is. Because when you look at his size, he can guard all positions. He can shoot the ball. He can put the ball on the floor, create a play.

He can defend. Obviously, rebound. He's in a tough situation because he's playing with a guy like LeBron. So that's the same thing, like, kind of like Jeff Green fell in that era with us when he was with Cleveland. He's in the same, similar situation. So LeBron is going to, they're going to cater to LeBron when he's on the floor,

so it doesn't really do him justice when they play him together. Yeah. You know AD and LeBron's going to get the bulk of the shots. You know that. Now, what are you guys feeling it? We saw early in the season Austin Reeves feeling it. So

he's going to get 15 to 18 shots. D'Lo, he gets hot one night. Okay, now that might creep up to 20 shots in a given night. But you know, LeBron and AD are going to get the bulk of the shots. But I think a lot of this had to do with because they were getting blowed out switch. they only played

28, 24, 29, 31 minutes. It's hard to get those kind of shots in that small amount of time. Now, if they played their normal minutes, maybe they can get up a few more shots. But when you turn the ball over, everybody's shots are

coming down because you don't even get an opportunity to put the ball up because you've turned it over. And as you mentioned, they had 37 assists. So that's telling me great ball movement. It's also telling me y'all turn the ball over, they get some cheap assists off of that. Oh, 100%.

And you look at the rebounds, 37 to 36, the Lakers actually win the rebound game. And they still get smoked. So for me, obviously it's the turnovers for sure because I was a big fan of, especially in transition. People hate the transition three, early threes.

I'm taking an early good look opposed to me swinging around the horn and we turn this joint over and now I've got to turn into track star going on the other end. I'm going to put this up. I feel like I've got a better percentage of making this

opposed to us turning the ball over and then we've got to get a stop on the other end. I'm going to put this up. I feel like I got a better percentage of making this opposed to us turning the ball over and then we got to get a stop on the other side. What about a situation like this, Wish, where guys are early on trying to say, I'm so unselfish, and you overpass the ball and you end up turning it over like you said. You're like, okay, I got a good look

in transition. I'm going to let it rip as opposed to, oh, hot potato, hot potato. Next thing you know, the ball's going out of bounds. You're like, come on, man. Go ahead and take that shot. Yeah, you know, it's tough when you come in situations. Like when I first got to Cleveland, we used to run into that a lot

because we got Kyrie at the point, me at the two. We got Bron, K-Love, and obviously Tristan setting the screens, and Rose, and Mozzie. But when you look around the horn, it's like, listen, I got a good shot, but he got a great shot. So let me kick it to him. And, you know, guys are just operating so fast, you want to be unselfish.

But at the same time, it's like, if I don't take this shot, then he's not going to be open where we need it to be open. So for me, a lot of those times, it's like, I want to be unselfish. But at the same time, I got to be selfish for the team because it's going to help us out in the long run. times is like I want to be unselfish but at the same time I got to be selfish for the team because it's going to help us out in the long run. So if you watch Bronny grow up um spend a lot of years with LeBron in Cleveland um and see Bronny go from a seven eight nine year old to not here he is in the NBA what do you what is what is this moment what do you think this moment means for LeBron?

Oh, man. I mean, I can only imagine to be able to... I just had my first son. He's seven weeks. So, for me, thinking about it... I appreciate y'all, man. Well, you know we saw that, right? I mean, I'm sure you did.

I'm sure you did. We gonna leave that alone, but I'm just saying, I just want you to know, we saw that. Hey, man. Hey, you know what? I heard you. I didn't see you, but I heard you. Okay, there you go. It's too soon. You know what? As a matter of fact, we're about on the same

timeline. It's about seven weeks. So you know what? That's why I left the headlines so quick, because you pushed me out. You're like, get your ass out of the headlines. Hey, I got the 72 hour rule, dog. It's over. Straight up.

Yeah, but you were saying this moment for LeBron, and even the city of Cleveland to see LeBron come back and bring Junior with it. Yeah, man. I mean, honestly, Bronny is such a... You know, you hear about so many different kids in so many different situations who

are like, you know, their parents are stars and they're arrogant and they're cocky and they feel like they just... You know, the world is supposed to be their oyster. And Bronny is the complete opposite, man. It's a very humbling feeling to see him in the situation you know the world is supposed to be their oyster and bronnie is the complete opposite man it's like it's a very humbling feeling to see him in a situation he's he's in he's very he's very um he's very grateful for the opportunity you know to live out your dreams as a kid that's that's one

of the very very rare you know few things that unfortunately us three have been able to do but like to actually live it out and and to have your pops there with you to show you to really show you the ropes it's it's very uh it's inspiring man like i really look at it and and think of like this is something i would definitely want to give my my kid one day if i can give him the keys to if you can get the keys to the Chevy to your son, what's different than giving him the keys to the business or giving him the keys to the game and just letting him take it for what they want it to

be, regardless of the shoes that we feel, because obviously Brian is Brian and goes down as the goat and everything else and comparison is going to be there or whatever, but to actually be able to live out your dream is something that very few people get to do. So I just hope he's in a place to where he can actually absorb it and be happy and be

satisfied with it. I don't think people understand how dope this situation is, this scenario as a father, as a father myself. And I'm just imagining being able to play long enough in the NFL, which is hypothetically, it's damn near impossible. And to be able to play long enough for your son to join you, just that feeling and knowing all the work, you know, Bronny and Bron have put in over the years

and how it's paid off. Not only it's paid off, but now he has the opportunity to share the court and the sport in which they love and a grown-up playing all their life and then to share it on the same team at that that is is dope in itself and i really can't really put it into words how awesome it is a lot of people have been critical of it um obviously saying you know the whole favoritism and he only got you he's only there because of his father. Well, hell goddamn yeah. Well, shit. You're supposed to take advantage of those opportunities

when you have the cachet and you have the power that LeBron does to be able to bring your son on with you and allow him to live out a dream to play at the highest level. To me, it's unreal.

It's unreal and it's dope. It's unreal and it's dope. It's motivating. It's inspiring. And I just wish, I wish I could have done something like that. Obviously, I can't, so I'm going to live vicariously to them. And that's pretty much it, man. That's really, really dope, man.

You ain't seen that in football. You ain't going to see that in football, JR, unless somebody have a kid while they're in high school. No, for real. And they can play a quarterback. I mean, you guys can think about it. Tom Brady played 23 seasons. His son is probably a sophomore

junior in high school. So he would have had to have that kid at 15, 16. So therefore, by the time he's 32 tom got another 11 years so by the time now all of a sudden that's a realistic possibility now you know there might be somebody in the plot like i'm going to drop this one right here you know because that's what it's going to take coach oh you can't i mean leBron had a kid at 20.

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Right. Even if you have a kid at 20 right even if you have a kid at 20 in the in the uh nfl bro what's the likelihood you play at another 20 seasons not good unless you're quarterbacking you really really really really really damn good and not your son because the difference is nfl players don't have the kind of leverage that an NBA player has. Right. Especially a superstar like LeBron because the positions are so valuable. So it's going to, like I said, I think Gordie Howe, I think he might have played with his sons back in the, you know, but the likelihood of you seeing that in the NFL,

but it's unbelievable. I agree with you, Ocho. It is. I mean, if my kids wanted to do this, they could have an opportunity, but if they don't cut it, I'm going to fire their ass. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Time out. Come on, man. Time out. Time out. Are you going to fire your kids?

Would I? No, like, serious. All jokes aside, would you fire your kids? Yeah. Wait, wait. Would you fire them or reposition them in a different department? Reposition them and get them another job with another company. Yeah, but I think the thing is, but here's the thing. I wouldn't have to fire my kids because the job that they're going to do,

I know they'll be able to do it. I'm not going to ask them to do CJ's job, who's the EP at Club Shea Shea. I'm not going to ask them to do Ash's job or something like that, an editor or graphics. That's not what they're good at. You're not going to throw them in a deep well. I can find a job where they can be good at,

but I'm a demanding boss, and they're my kid. is shaking her ass don't do that uh but we i mean look i think i owe them that to give them an opportunity if they wanted to do this but my son didn't want to play football he's like it was too much because he dropped a pass and they tell him where your, your dad would have caught that. I know your uncle would have caught it. Well, you ain't got speed like your dad. He didn't want to hear that. Man, let the man roll.

He 13, he 12, he 11. What you mean? It's crazy to me because like we like again, and it happens to us a lot in our community where, you know, we throw shade on stuff like that. But when I really look back at it, look back on it, like my owner in Denver for the Denver Nuggets, like our owner Stan Kroenke at the time, like he couldn't own a

certain amount of sports team. So he gave it to his son. Right. Josh. Josh run the team. Josh own the team now and everything else. And Stan runs, owns the Rams. And it's like nobody said nothing. Avalanche. Manchester.

Yeah. He got a soccer team. Yeah. But nobody said nothing. Nobody was like, it wasn't like, oh, he gave his son isn't qualified. It was just like, oh, no. They've been passing businesses down for hundreds of years, JR. And they

don't matter. It's us somehow feel that we shouldn't do that. Oh, it's nepotism. That's the whole part of being in position. So I can do something for, it's the first time that I'm in position that I can actually hire this mofo that's mine

he gonna get hired well what can he do whatever I want whatever I wanted to do if he just come in and just loaf and he don't have to do that till noon whatever he wants to do what she wants to do they can do that because guess what it's my issue yeah so

I've always wanted I didn't know if I've ever would be in a position to do that, but they, they, Hey, Oh, he's going to take over. Look at,

okay. Look at Jerry Jones, his sons, his son and his daughters, Charlie, Jerry, Jerry Jr. And what's the,

what's the other one named the look? Just like Jerry, Steven, Steven, the Steinbrenner, Hank and Hal. What, what, what do they do? Besides be, Steven Steven the Steinbrenner Hank and Hal what what what do they do

besides me getting hit the lottery oh my dad is Mr. George Steinbrenner my dad is Jerry Jones X Y and Z so

my kids should have the same thing they hit the lottery last day their dad is Shannon Sharp so if my kids want to come well my daughter's

going to come in January. I'm telling y'all, my daughter's putting her two-month notice. She's putting her two-month notice. So she's going to be an employee. And I don't know if she's going to relocate because she loves the A, but yeah, that's

the whole point. I mean, we shouldn't feel bad. Somehow we've been made to feel bad if we help someone, a family member or someone in our community. I ain, we shouldn't feel bad. Somehow we've been made to feel bad if we help someone, a family member or someone in our community. I ain't feeling bad about it. Nothing. So let me ask you this. How does that feel being able to like being a parent

and being able to put your child in a situation to where they can excel, not only excel, but learn on their own time and really take it as far as they want to take it. But plus, I want to see JR if this is something that they want on or am I going to have to get off of it?

Because I don't want them to feel obligated because this is daddy's business. They feel this is not their passion. It's just like my son. My passion was to go play in the nfl that wasn't his so i wasn't going to force my passion on him i still won't force my passion on my kids guys is this something that you want to do do you feel you have the wherewithal do you want to put the time energy and effort in it to do this for the next 20 30 years let's say daddy you know we appreciate it but this is not what we that's not what i want to do this for the next 20, 30 years. They say, Daddy, you know, we appreciate it,

but this is not what we, that's not what I want to do. So, I don't want them to feel obligated to do it. But JR, to answer your question, it feels great. It feels great that I can really help my kids. I can help my family. And to give my daughter, my daughter, my daughter's like, well, Daddy, how much I'm going to make? I said, well, how much you think you're going to be worth?

I said, don't be. Hey, don't be coming here. Talk about no quarter of a million dollars at an entry level job. I said, but I'll make it worth your while. I want you to feel that you can you can earn a decent money. Right. You can put some money away, but you don't have to look. Because I don't want you crying.

Pull my after me. Talk about with daddy. You ain't have to look. Because I don't want you crying, pulling after me, talking about, well, daddy, you ain't paying me enough. So I'm going to pay you enough where you can earn a decent salary, you earn a decent salary, but you can still live.

Yeah. Yeah. I read an article on the Minnesota twins where there was, you know, the family ended up just selling it, but it was like the great grandfather had passed it down throughout time. And, you know,

the great, great grandkids or grandkids, they don't want to run it or run a team a sports team or whatever but you just inherited like you know a couple billion yeah for me it's just like you know it's all in obviously if they're around it and if they if this is something they graduate to like my son like i want them to like as much as I love football and I grew up playing football, I want him to play golf more than I want him to play football. Absolutely. Me personally.

Like that's just something I hope he just graduates to and takes to. Not necessarily say he does, but just at least give him the tools. So that's why I look at it like in business when they passing it down

to their kids and whatever else. It's like, it's not only just that business. This is this life. They're teaching them life skills. Look, this is how you flip something. This is how you make X, Y and Z or quantify a dollar to next year dollar by doing X, Y and Y. Regardless if you want to sell baseball cards, whether you want to sell seats at arena or whatever you selling wine, whatever it is. But I feel like it's just something that just goes unsold and untold in our, in our, you know, in our culture. Yeah. Cause I was talking to have the conversation with, uh, Mark Cuban. And he said,

that's one of the reasons that he sold his team. He's like, you know, my kids, do I want the burden? Do I want to burden them? If they don't want to do this and just feel out of obligation? They got to run a team. That's what I want to do. I want to own a professional franchise. Maybe that's not what they want to do. I don't want to feel like they're obligated

to have to do it. Jerry's kid, that's what they want to do. All of them jumped into the family business and long after Jerry's gone, hopefully that what they want to do. All of them jumped into the family business. And long after Jerry's gone, hopefully that's no time soon, Steven and Jerry Jr. and Charlotte, they're going to run it. And the grandkids, they're in the business. They're probably going to run it. But everybody doesn't look at it like that, Ocho, and Swish.

And they're like, you know what? And if you don't have the passion to do it let it go before it starts to dwindle down and not be what your your grandfather or your father your great-great-grandfather passed down to you just let it go before it it starts to dissipate hey sink are you gonna let one of the kids run one of the McDonald's? Yeah. Yeah. It depends that, you know what?

McDonald's might not be their passion. My kids are bougie. So I don't think that's something that they will want to do. It's okay. No, no, not work it. I'm saying run it.

Just manage and make sure the money coming in. You're going to have a couple of meetings. Just to be honest, they wouldn't even do it. They wouldn't even do it. That's, that's, that's not even a passion of theirs and probably something that they wouldn't even want to do.

Or take the responsibility on. Yeah. See, that's the thing. It's the responsibility of every single day. At some point in time, I'm talking to Ash about something. I'm talking to CJ about something. And constantly thinking,

okay, how do I get better? Okay, Ash, what can we do? Okay, what graphics can we run? What segments can we build? Okay, CJ, how do we make clubs change? How do we be cutting edge? You know, a couple of situations where we had a performer,

somebody that would come in and sing. And then we have a guest. And so that's, we're always thinking about but like i said that's not that's not where my kids are my kids like my kids like collecting a check they like being talent i don't know there's nothing wrong with that some people like that no responsibility i know i'm gonna make x y and Z, and then I'm cool with that. I don't know. I might make something one week. I might make something totally different, but I'm willing to bank on me. A lot of people are not willing to bank on themselves. Some people will work their

ass off to make somebody else rich, but won't work their ass off to make themselves rich now explain that ocho somebody will go sit their ass on somebody else's job for 20 30 years and make that person and pay off their airbnb and their timeshare and help them get a lot and a lot and a private jet but you won't do that for you yeah but you have to understand you think about you have to have a fucking passion for whatever it is that you're doing to actually want to run it. The discipline to actually want to run it. The discipline to actually want to take on the responsibilities that come with actually owning something. It ain't easy. It's very hard. You think about all these entrepreneurs, huh? All these entrepreneurs have all these great ideas and they always they always crash out and burn because they expect instant success right nothing happens overnight it's a long it's a long tedious process that

many people don't have the discipline for which is why they go work for somebody else because it's instant check but you had the discipline to get your ass up every day for 20 years and 30 years and go on that man job. Yeah. Yeah. Discipline is discipline. If you got to get up knowing that I got to be on this man, on Mr. Charlie's job at 7.30, 8.30, 9 o'clock, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, you can't do that for you.

Yeah, but it's also fear. It's fear of failure. It's fear of accountability on yourself because at the end of the day, when you're like, well, you're putting... People don't realize this. When you're trying to make it, you're putting everything into that. You got to.

We know as athletes because we put everything into it when we're trying to do... Family go by the side, the clothes, everything drop by the side the the clothes women like everything dropped dropped by the wayside because this this one goal got to be achieved and a lot of people don't understand that because they didn't for one didn't play team sports yeah selfish individual and just

unless i'm like calling for what it is a lot of negative people out there who negative towards themselves let alone other people so they don't have that belief system in themselves that they can even do it let alone somebody else who look like me who live next door that can make it yeah because a lot of times people will project

well if I can't do it I'm going to tell Ocho he can't do it I'm going to tell Swish man you know goodwill you can't do that no you can't do it don't project on me talking about what I can't do it. I'm going to tell Swish that, man, you're no good, Will. You can't do that. No, you can't do it. Don't project on me talking about what I can't do. And then sometimes when you start to have success, people, sometimes

Ocho Swish, the only success people will taste if they take a bite out of you. Man, I had a coach in Denver. I don't want to cut you off. I had a coach in Denver tell me I would never be a championship. I would never start on a championship team. Ain't nobody told you that, but old ball head George Carl.

I swear. Ain't nobody. You'll never start on a championship team. I'm sitting here like, damn. Am I that selfish? Am I that? Damn. Is it always all about me?

I'm sitting here looking at the team. Did you send him a picture of your ring? Man, I should have sent him two because I got your ring? Man, I should have sent him two because I got two of them things. I should have sent him two. For real. Let me ask you a question, JR. When he said that, because think about it, JR.

You playing for this man. How can I go invest, put everything I got into it, get up in the morning and deny my family and be where I'm supposed to be, lift these weights and here my family and be where I'm supposed to be. Lift these weights. And here I got a man that I'm supposed to be playing for. And he's telling me

what I can't do. Before you answer, Jay, the whole thought process anyway, even once you get to the highest level, you ain't playing for him no way. What if your coach what if, hold on, Mike Zimmer what if Mike Zimmer and Marvin Lewis tell you

Ocho, we ain't gonna never win with you as start receiver hey, but listen you know what, I ain't paying that no mind who writing that check what name is on the back of that jersey that's what I'm talking about hey how them

51 kids finna eat I'm going to do what I need to do i am not playing for you well i'm just saying i'm my my mentality on it might be a little different yes george carl was his coach but hell i'm playing for that goddamn for one that money i'm making to keep it coming because if i don't play up the par the way i should be playing i'm gonna be out the door anyway i'm gonna want to leave because at the end of the day, you say that I'm not playing, but that's the head coach and I am

playing for him because he's coach. So I'm going to want to go play. I want to go play for somebody else. I want to go play for somebody that believe that we can win and I'm an asset to that winning. For you to tell me that, look, we're not going to be a championship team

because you own it. Because you're starting. Ocho, they're telling you, man, we can't win no championship with you, Ocho. Not with your selfish ass. Straight up. Remember? Remember what Tua said? How Brian Flores told him?

Yeah. He ain't playing for Brian Flores, but every day, you suck. I didn't want you. Beat you down. Just like a parent. We've heard stories of parents tell their kid, you never going to mount that. You saw the movie Precious.

You saw it every day. You ain't ish. You ain't going to never be ish. You just like this one. You just like your daddy. You just like your mama. After a while, it does have an impact on you. It takes a very, very few people have been able to overcome that

to hear that negativity on a daily basis, on a constant, and like, you know what? I'm gonna be able to push through it because it's just like we said, Ocho, you got 80,000 fans, only 1,000 of them for the opposing team. But you hear those boos, don't you? For sure.

A thousand boos can drown out 80,000 applause, cheering. I don't know what it is about the negativity that rings so true in our ear and our inner circle. Think about the comments. Ocho, you get 50,000 comments. If somebody said, oh, peanut head, Ocho, your mama peanut head. That's just the way we

watch. Check this out. Pat Bell said J.J. Reddick would have been fired if they started 0-3. Patrick Beverly said if the Lakers would have started 0-3, everybody would have been yelling fire JJ Redick. Now top four seed in the West.

Marking it now. I don't think they fired him after 0-3. They're not firing him after 0-3. Come on now. They ain't doing that. They ain't doing that. No, didn't they give him they gave a five-year deal? It's funny because they'll fire a fucking championship coach

and he'll go 0-3, 0-4 for sure. Yeah. But if you just signed, no, they ain't firing. No, they're going to get, well, hey, he signed four years. Well, they got Adrian Griffin ass up out of there after 23 and 19, after 29 and 13. After 42 games, the man 29 and 13 to switch? Yeah, that's a different

situation, though. Giannis ain't signed off on that. Yo, Giannis had to sign up. You think they let the man go without Giannis? Yeah. Yeah, I'm sitting there. They hired him without Giannis' permission. Oh, okay, okay. He wasn't the, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, nah. Giannis was over. Oh, okay, okay. He wasn't the, like,

you know what I'm saying? Like, nah. Giannis was over there quickly. Nah. And when I think about it, even if they did start 0-3, hell, start 0-5, 0-6. Hell, I think LeBron would have to sign off on him letting J.J. Reddick go anyway. Nah, J.J. Reddick ain't

going. No, I'm just saying, hypothetically speaking, what Pat said, man, that ain't happening regardless. It gotta go across his desk. I'll tell you that. I'll tell you that. I bet you won't make a move without it going across two, three desks. I bet you that.

Yeah. Yeah, it's, but I like, you know what, Swish? And like I said, I saw the first game. Who they played? They played the Suns, the second game. And they fell down by 22. That was a game last year. They down 22.

The starters are going to be out like midway through the third because the game's going to be 42. Yeah. And I'm not, it just seems like to me, even though they lost tonight notwithstanding, it seems like there's a lot less looking around, like who's supposed to be where, who's supposed to be doing what. It seems like there's a lot more accountability,

and maybe they just need to hear a new voice in their ear. Sometimes, Swish, that's what you need. But it just seems like the atmosphere, the ambiance around this team is different. Do you see that as a former NBA player from the outside looking in, or are we reading too much into it? No, you could definitely tell as a player. I mean, we had the number one team in the East,

and we fired our head coach, and then T.Drew took over. And even just the chemistry and the atmosphere and the vibe just changed. And I love David Black. David Black was amazing to me. He was one of the few coaches that I had who really gave me an opportunity to go rock. As long as I played defense, he said, you can shoot any shot you want.

You can do whatever crazy play you want, whatever, whatever. But as long as you play defense and lock in, you can do whatever. So I rocked with Black. But when he left, just because of the chemistry around the team wasn't where it needed to be.

And I give David Griffin a lot of credit for this because he's seen that. And he made the change right before, it was right after All-Star, I think. Yeah. Again, first team in the East. But you can tell when

certain things is off, and it's literally just that fast. It's a switch like that, and the vibration is completely different. Everybody, like you're saying, everybody know where they're supposed to be. There's very little confusion. If something does mess up, you know exactly where it was at. It would be so crisp to where fans can literally pick it out, and they can be right.

I've been around a lot of fans, and they think they know the game, and they just be like, nah, bro, we was actually in drop coverage, and it looked like this. We was stunting. But when you all are on one court and then that one string is out of place, you know exactly where it was at.

So even when you watch film, it's so easy to where your accountability goes higher as a player because your team, you know where you're supposed to be at. And for a team like that, especially for the Lakers, because even when I watched the Minnesota game, and I didn't think Minnesota was going to be the same with the trade, but you could see the movement and the cohesiveness of the team.

And obviously, it's the first game of the season, and it's cut, and everybody got energy. But you can tell a team who has chemistry, and it's a team who doesn't. Like the Knicks. You've seen when the Knicks got blown out by Boston. Now, granted, Boston's a championship team, and they look really good, but the chemistry is just,

people are just in the right spots at the right times on key and on point. And it's hard to gain that. But with the Lakers, with a guy who's played, a guy who knows the game, I think JJ is going to be a good situation. The only part for me,

what I will say, I kind of got pissed at the hiring situation because he's never coached before. And they made Chauncey Billups, who's now a Hall of Famer, go coach for some years before he just gave him a head coaching job. Yeah. But from that standpoint, obviously, I feel like J.J. know the game. He's got a great basketball pedigree.

But it's just, I think they can be in the run for the West, though, honestly. They could be top three teams in the West, for sure. I agree. But they're going to need a consistent look. I already know what I'm going

to get from Braun. I know what I'm going to get from AD. Who's going to be our consistent third guy? Is it going to be Rui? Is it going to be AR? Is it going to be D'Lo?

I tend to lean towards AR because I've seen him over the course of last year. He was the most consistent of the three. But when you talk about Rui, D'Lo, and AR, who do you like? Who do you think is the best third option? Honestly, I think Rui is the best third option. But for me, when I look at third option, I don't necessarily look at third option as necessarily a score. I think that a lot of times, even in our rotations,

like double T was easily the fourth. I was the fifth option. Double T was the fourth option. I'm hitting them on rows, lobs, and stuff like that. So for me, on top of that, what he brought on the defensive side. So for me, I think Rui could be that glue guy like an LO was for the past Lakers to

where he can guard multiple positions. It's almost like a plus minus game. To me, he'll have a higher plus minus than the majority of the dudes because when he's out there, he's covering so much space. So you don't look at a guy that necessarily says, okay, the third

option, he needs to be a score. The third guy needs to be able to do a lot of different things. Score, rebound, assist, defend. He's got to be a Swiss Army knife. That's what I feel like a lot of the teams are missing because when you necessarily go to a quote-unquote third option,

it has to be like a six man like a me, Lou Will, Jamal Crawford teams playing around that. But when you are 6'8", 6'7", can start the offense, can drop, make passes, hit an open shot, get stops,

you know, dive on a loose ball, get a couple extra possessions out of there, offense rebound here or there, that changes the game more than anything. Switch, when you first got to Cleveland, what were your initial thoughts? Obviously, you knew LeBron. You had played against LeBron before.

You knew what he was. So how did you find a way to fit in immediately? Did he say, hey, I'm going to hit you. Did you talk about, I like the pass here, I like the ball there, X, Y, and Z. So how did y'all get that thing together? Because that was a mid-season trade that you guys took off. Yeah, it was crazy because we got traded. We was in Memphis, me and Shum.

I remember Shum was in the locker room. This was the first time he got traded and he was kind of like distraught. And at first, I'm not going to lie, it messed me up because Melo's my dude. That's my guy. And

when the initials happened, I'm like, damn, bro. I holla at you, like, that type of vibes. But then I started thinking about it, and I started walking out to the arena, and I was pissed. Like, damn, my family was, you know, I'm from New Jersey. Everybody was the Knicks. And I started

looking at them like, damn, we just went to Cleveland. I started thinking, like, Kyrie, Braun, Kev. Shit, we about to win a chip. I swear, I swear right here to the male, all five of mine. We was sitting in the hotel lobby, right across

the street from the arena. We were sitting in the hotel lobby drinking. We had a private flight to go to Cleveland the next day. I'm sitting there with Sh lobby drinking. We had a private flight to go to Cleveland the next day. I'm sitting there with Shump and Shump was over there like, damn, Joe. He got that Chicago talk.

Damn, Joe. They don't believe in us, Joe. They don't believe in us. I said, Shump, man, listen. I don't know what you're talking about, bro, but pipe that shit down. We got to go win the chip.

Straight up. He looked at me like, man, what you saying, shorty? I said, bro, we about to go win a chip. Just relax. Just be cool. And just let it happen.

Man, we get there. First game we play in Cleveland. The next game we go on the road. We play like Golden State, Sacramento, whatever. And Bron comes back like the third game. The first couple games, well, him and Kai wasn't back yet when we first get there, but like the fourth, fifth game they get back,

we on the road. One night we out drinking and shit and something just grabbed me by my shoulder like, bro, you was right. We doing this. We doing that. I'm telling you. We out of here, baby. We went from the last place to first place, man.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. After the unveiling of his own statue, Dwayne Wade didn't shy away from suggesting that current stars deserved the honor. Next D way believes next players to be immortalized with statues, LeBron, Steph and KD. When you saw D-Wade's statue, Swish, what was the first thing that went through your mind?

Who signed off? Who signed off on this? Like, for real, man, because we've been seeing Ronaldo, we've been seeing so many different statues. At this point, I want to know who's signing off on this. I don't even disrespect the Cove joint,

but Cove don't even look like Cove to me. I'm sitting here looking at these joints like, man, who's doing these? But, I mean, it's a tremendous honor. It'd be interesting to see where they put KDs at. But, yeah, I don't think it looks like that. Well, he can't be anywhere but Golden State or OKC.

OKC ain't doing it. No, that's what I'm saying. So it's got to be Golden State. Yeah. I don't see it though. Well, damn, where they going to put a statue at? I don't think he gets one though. To be honest with you, no disrespect to him because he's a hell of a player,

but you got to look like, and the same thing that goes for Melo. You look at it like he played what? He's in the Golden State four years? Yes. How many years has he been in the league? No, he's in there three years. He won the championship twice, and then he tore the Achilles, and he left. Three years.

How many years has he been in the league? This is what, 16? 17? 18. 18 years. Like 18. How could he get a statue in three years? They better put a Scottie Pippen statue out there in Chicago. I know that. If they're going to do that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, matter of fact, speaking of Scottie Pippen,

I'm glad you mentioned that. I mean, he's not underrated, but I'm thinking I want to ask you, who are some underrated players that you think don't get the credit they deserve, but should actually have a statue based on their contribution. Brandon Roy, for sure. Um,

I think, yeah, T Mac and, and Houston. That's a good one. That's a good one. Mac gotta have one. Uh, AI or AI got Houston. Oh, T-Mac, that's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. Mac got to have one, dog. AI, well, AI got one.

Well, Yon is going to have one in Milwaukee. Yeah, he for sure. Well, if he got one, then they need to put one for my man Kareem, too. What? Yeah. I mean. But Kareem ain't underrated, though.

He's not underrated, but... But he should have a stat. He got three MVPs with the two finals and one finals MVP. I mean, he's the most winningest player of all time. Yeah, ain't nobody close to that. Ain't nobody gonna ever do what he did. Lost two games in high school, one game in college. I mean...

Ain't nobody winning like that no more. Win the 10 NBA finals, six MVPs, six chips. Nobody win it like Kareem. I would like to see a P.E. statue in New York. Honestly. Patrick, you on?

You think? Yeah, okay. Yeah. Big Pat. Oh, by the way, if we're going to say my bad, this is totally

disrespectful and I'm so sorry. I'll take my hat off. If we're going to give a T-Mac one, we got to give a King one. Oh, yeah. Elijah one, got to get a statue. My bad. If you're going to give one to Houston, oh, hell yeah.

My bad. And the H2, my bad. My bad, Dream. That was on me. Timmy D got to have one. Oh, yeah. Well, absolutely. Wait, who? Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan. Oh, okay.

Tim Duncan, KG. That's Givens. I think Chauncey gets one in Detroit. What you putting KG there? In Minnesota? Minnesota, for sure. I mean, he won a championship in Boston. I don't consider KG a Celtic.

Yeah. No disrespect. I don't consider him a Celtic, though. I played against the Minnesota ticket. That was in 2004? Oh, my God. I've never been intimidated of another man on the court until I played against him, bro.

I was just literally like, yo, is he always like this? Is he really? And I had a teammate, Lee Nailon, man. My man Lee real deal. He was like, man, that's fake, man. He ain't on none of that. And I'm literally like, see him get into it. And did I see how Lee did it?

I was like, OK, OK, and then I see how Lee did it and I was like okay okay okay I see I see what's going on okay I see you had me though you had me fooled you had me fooled for sure I was buying them wolf tickets for sure yeah but y'all I mean now you can't fight like

they used to fight in the NBA before you got their switch back in the 80s no when I was there they fought man Rodney Rogers swung on the 80s? No, when I was there, they fought, man. Rodney Rogers swung on me a couple times in practice, bro. I was dodging them. It's just like the majors. No, I'm talking about in the game. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, they don't fight in practice no more like they used to, Swish? No. No way. No way. They not fighting like, nah, nah, nah, nah like nah nah nah bro no lie like when I came into training camp my rookie year I seen like four fights the first week

and I was just like these grown men I'm 18 34 35 36 years old throwing haymakers like real live throwing them I'm sitting there like what the fuck is going on gambling wasn't about either it was either about money

or women. No, this is playing. In practice? This is practice. Well, damn, is that physical? Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, I say that because I mean, I say and I sound

like one of them hating ass dudes, but like in 04, I mean, I say it and I sound like one of them hating ass dudes, but like in 04, 06, 07, like, bro, this is like back in the day where niggas was really knocking your shoulder off. Like, forearm shiver, you walk across that lane. Like, I played against Oak. Like, you run across the lane and you just like on some lollygagging, cutting through, you get your teeth knocked out like oh no

but Oak was like that for real though Swish Oak was like that for real though no he's to this day not was to this day yeah I know Oak 30 years Oak and I used to hang so I know Oak he bought that for real right now I was man

I was in the Bahamas right now. I'm like, man, chill. Like, bro. He killed a little bit. I tried to... Oh, come on now. You and I both, we done got old now. Hey, look here.

Somebody had their way with us now. They should have got us when we was back 20 years ago. Then we could have held our own against two or three of them. But not now. Man, shit. I'm taking y'all two. It gets three, four.

Hey, all he needed was you and the guard. I'm telling you. Y'all would have cleared the house. Yeah, I wouldn't let him jam a boy up like that now. Come on now. Just ask him to leave. Y'all ain't got to have like six or seven boys. Yeah, y'all ain't got to grab my man up there like that.

You know you don't like people touching them. Come on. No, hell no. And don't walk up behind him because he going to swing on you. No, for real. I'm surprised he didn't swing on him. But if he hadn't been in the guard, he would have. No, 100%.

100%. Joe Mazzulla made an appearance on the Boston radio and was asked what he would change about the NBA. Mazzulla elaborated on why the NBA should institute power plays after fouls, forcing the offending team to play a man down for the length of the time as in hockey. Or he also wants to bring back fighting. The biggest thing that we rob people of his entertainment standpoint is that you can't fight anymore.

I wish we bring back fighting. What's a little entertaining? What's more entertaining than a little scuffle? How come in baseball, they're allowed to clear the benches? How come in hockey, what's a little entertaining? What's more entertaining than a little scuffle? How come in baseball they're allowed to clear the benches? How come in hockey they're allowed to fight? I don't understand. I just don't get why some sports are allowed to clear the benches, have bats and

weapons in the baseball, but we don't have a ball. The other sport, hockey, is one of the hardest playing surfaces to put in the stick, and yet you're not allowed to throw down a little bit? Come on, Joe. You don't like it? I like it.

Yeah, because he a coach. Make basketball great again. Nah, I want to see the coaches. Listen, you think twice before you're coming through the lane trying to be all pretty. Nah, make it like, you know what, a switch like in hockey. Like the goalies go bump.

Okay, coaches, y'all got the bump too. Let's see how he like that. See if he like fighting. Let's see if he really like the bump. Yeah, oh, for sure. I want to see it. That's my only thing, man. You talking about it. You better be

about that action. Somebody over there get lumped up and your star player over there sitting over there with a swan he can't play the second half until somebody put a patch over Jason Tatum by Jalen Brown I didn't say close for the weekend and now you talk about well you see what happened

what happened you say you wanted to see fighting yeah as long as it's the 12th or 13th guy getting lumped up what if it's one of your first five? Right. What if I put it in one of those hitters who just, that's what his plan is? Yeah.

He's going to come in there and set a wicked screen. Yeah, he's a big perk out there. Set one of those wicked screens and try to run up on him. What you going to do? Because, you know, in hockey, they had enforcers. All they do is they're looking for some stuff to pop off. They set the tone. You hit Messi or you hit Gretzky or you hit Lemieux

or you had to deal with an enforcer. Yeah. So imagine somebody roughhouse. But see, hold on. I'm trying to think out. You got somebody because somebody cheap shot at LeBron. And you. Who you catch with? hold on, I'm trying to think out. You got somebody, because somebody cheap shot at LeBron and you... Oh, man.

Who'd you catch with? I mean, you got it good, too. I mean, hey. Oh, Crowder. Jay. Yeah. Yeah, that's my dog, too. Oh, yeah, you got suspended though for that, though. Yeah, I got suspended for a few of them. I don't like that shit, dog. Like, for real,

like, especially if you roll that's that's probably my biggest fault. I'm I'm I'm guilty. I'm like, I'm loyal to the fuck because like regardless, if you would do it for me, I just do. That's just the way I move. If I'm with you and some shit go around, I'm I'm right with you all the way. Yeah. You cheap shot my man. I'm not going to cheap shots.

I'm going to get you while you're looking. And then if you want to do something after that, then we can do that too. You're not getting over on nobody I'm with. I'm not with that. I'm going to see J.R. Dallas the same way. Oh, you cheap shot my quarterback? Oh, I see. Hey, man, such and such

dude. Who? Yeah. Okay. Don't worry about it. We're going to get him. We might not get him. We might not get him now, but we're going to get him later. We're going gonna get him we might not get him now but we gonna get him later and I'm gonna make it look like a play come on no no no no you ain't have no problem cheap shot my guy now you got a problem

mm-hmm mm-hmm you not finna get my guy and then think you're gonna walk your ass up out of here just for free. Oh, no. See, for me, I want to make it blatant. I want to make it look disrespectful because it is.

Like, I want you to jump back because that's what it's on. If you're not on that, then don't start that. Yeah, I mean, I feel you. I lost a lot of bread. I ain't gonna lie. I gotta make it look like a,

I gotta make it look like a, what you call it? I gotta make it look like a plate. You're gonna lie. I lost a lot of bread. I ain't going to lie. I got to make it look like a, I got to make it look like a, what you call it? I got to make it look like a plate. I lost a lot of bread. Gets to spit it on these dudes, man. Jason Terry, Jay.

I got a couple of them, but it was worth, it was a few of them was worth it though. I ain't going to lie. Like again, if you playing dirty, then that's the type of game you played. And that's what you're going to get.

Yeah. G.G. Jackson said players around the league have told him to stop meat riding after he claimed Victor Wimbinyama would end up as the GOAT. I'm looking 10, 12 years from now when he's got an extra 30 pounds and a nice goatee with a mustache. I think Wimby will be the GOAT. What? Extra 30 pounds?

He can't put no 30 pounds on that frame? I mean, I think he's going to be good. He's going to be very, very good at what he does. I mean, but he's not going to be LeBron. He's not going to be Michael Jordan. You know, he's going to be up there, you know, in the top tier, but not the elite of the elite.

What you think, Swish? You like what you see? I mean, a 7'4 guy, 7'4 and a half, however tall he is. I mean, he's towering over Rudy Gobert. They say Rudy Gobert is 7'1. So he's at least 7'3 and a half, 7'4. I'm going to say 7'4. He might be even 7'5.

But we've never seen a guy his height be this athletic. Normally, they're cumbersome guys. We see Manute Bowe. We see Morrison. We see Bradley. But normally, guys that height, they can't move like him. Yeah. We see, what's the guy?

Bowe Bowe. Bowe Bowe can move pretty good. What's the other guy? Bowe Bond. We see Bowe Bond. We's the other guy? Boban. We see Boban. We see how cumbersome he moves. But Wimby is fluid for a man his size. He's athletic.

He's ranging. He can go up and down the court. Now, Manute Ball can shoot three. But his ability to put the ball on the floor, we've never seen a man that size be able to put the ball on the floor and be able to do what he can do. Yeah, like I like watching him play, honestly.

I'm happy he actually got a point guard like CP to actually teach him how to be in certain areas and certain positions at the right time because he has a game to where it's very easily he could, I think, especially in today's game

35 to 38 a game is very obtainable for him average 35 30 35 to 38 points yeah he's very I mean he has the fluidity he has the fluidity offensively

so to even in double teams like he could literally shoot over Rudy Gilbert, which is one of the tallest players in the league, and another dude coming over to double. If he can get his game to be somewhere to be as efficient as a KD, smaller level, let's say, Chet, he could be very, very dangerous. Very dangerous.

And he's like, he has a demeanor almost like a Giannis where he wants it. You can see he wants to get better. He consistently. You know what I'm saying? I agree. I mean, I like the young man. He'll block shot. And I think the thing

is the biggest thing if you're a shot blocker you can't be afraid to get dunked on because if you're afraid to get dunked on you can't be a great shot blocker because it's going to happen

I don't care all the great shot blockers you look at all the great shot blockers be it from Will Russell Hakeem Artis Gilmore

Marvin Webster you look at any great shot blocker everybody got it Everybody got it. You look at that polk dome. Hell yeah. Everybody got it. Yes.

Tyson Chandler used to tell me, he'd say, hey, man, they may get me, but I bet you I get them more than they get me. Right. Yo, absolutely. It's just like a DB. Somebody going to get you, get a touchdown on you. Sometimes even a routine guy is going to make an acrobatic catch. You're like, hold on, bro.

I just saw you shut down Megatron. How you let this dude get one on you? Oh, they get you. Oh, they're going to catch you. Dekembe, rest his soul. Dekembe. Think about how many times you're going to see Dekembe on somebody's highlight reel. Man.

Rest his soul, man. He split my shit, dog. Defensive player. He caught you with the elbow? He split my shit, dog. He caught you with the elbow? He split my shit, man. I was in stitches they gave me. I'm with the back. I don't like needles, man. They gave me a needle about this

long in my eye, dog. Like right under my eye socket. Man, I thought I was about to die. Yeah, them sharp-ass elbows. The kid had them sharp elbows. LeBron said he broke LeBron's nose. Yeah, he sharp-ass elbows. The kid had them sharp elbows. LeBron said he broke LeBron's nose. Yeah. He caught a lot of people, though. Yeah.

Straight up. And I don't want you to think it wasn't intentional either. I love God rest his soul. That's my man. But he tell you like, no, no, you get in my way. I get it. Yo, bro, it was crazy. The Volume. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next.

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