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Episode Date: March 27, 2025

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For the first time, he entered a game in the fourth quarter where he hadn't scored a field goal. He had three points. If I'm not mistaken, I think he only had two points at the half at the half yep and he has a streak 18 years he scored at least 10 points in every game for the last 18 years it's the longest consecutive streak of double-digit games in nba history and he kept the streak alive because he was sensational i think he scored 12 points in the fourth quarter, but none bigger than the tip hit at the buzzer to give them the win.

The Lakers beat the Pacers 120-119. Lakers had a 17-point lead. They squandered that again. Oh, Joey, it was the third quarter. What quarter? Third. Every time. They gave up 37 points in the third quarter.

Remember the other night? They gave up 34 points in the third quarter. Remember the other night? They gave up 34 points in the third quarter. And it looked like they scored a little over 60 points in the second half. And that'll get you beat. And the Lakers are going to have to find out, until it's important to them to take care of the basketball, to play better defense, they're going to find themselves in these kinds of games because they allow teams to hang around because they turn the ball over.

When they can stretch a lead to 20, 22, 23, they turn the ball over in a couple of quick threes and now all of a sudden a 17-point game is down under 10. But when it mattered the most, and that's what good players, that's what great players do. They can play bad no matter the sport hotel they can play bad for a particular period of time but when they absolutely have to have it they can dig down now a lot of times you and i both played the game of football sometimes

when things are not going our way we allow it to creep in our game creep creep into our minds it'll affect our overall play yes sir i thought he rebounded the ball extremely well he had 13 rebounds he led the legacy rebounds he did a great job of facilitating considering luca is the primary ball handler now let him assist with seven but when he needed it he dug down in his fourth quarter he got it going he played primarily had the ball in his hand while luca was on the bench getting his rest to start the fourth. He got his double digits, and then he turned it back over to Luka, and Luka got hot again down the stretch. I think Luka ended up with 34 points.

AR, Austin Reeves had 24. But it was LeBron at the end of the ball game that got the tip in at the buzzer because this would have been heartbreaking. This would have been a gut-wrenching loss. They lost this game. They would have. Listen, they on the 0-3. They on the 0-3 skid.

They on the 0-3 skid, for one, like you said earlier, they can play in stretches in the game and get a lead, but because of the lack of defense and always being F-ing, being transitioned, being lazy, turning the ball over, they allow teams to come back in. Teams that they should be dominating, obviously the game of basketball is about to get, it's a game of runs, but still, you're playing the Pac over. They allow teams to come back in. Teams that they should be dominating. Obviously, the game of basketball is a game of runs, but still

you're playing the Pacers. I'm not saying the Pacers are horribly sorry, but when it comes to the Lakers, if you're serious about not only making the playoffs or keeping the seed that you're in, this is a game that you're supposed to go in and dominate quarter by quarter, but yet again, in the third quarter,

after having the lead they had, they almost squandered that. They did, because the Pacers ended up taking the lead, don't you? They squandered the lead. The Pacers took the lead. I don't want to butcher his last name. Roy? Rui? Rui Hachimura.

Brother Hachimura, Hakatana, hit the two threes towards the end of the game, and LeBron had to come throughrees towards the end of the game. And LeBron had to come through in a magical moment in the game. They should have lost, honestly. Yeah. Honestly, they should have lost.

Hey, he owed him that one. LeBron owed him that one. He's in the locker room saying, hey, knowing LeBron, he's probably the locker room guy. Like, hey, that was a big win, but I owe y'all. Yeah. I owe you. For that first half? For the game. Because I think, what was he? win, but I owe y'all. Yeah. I owe you. For that first half? For the game. Because I think, what was he?

He ended up 4-12? Yeah. So he was 3-11 before that tip in, Ocho. So he ends up going 4-12. And he knows 0-7 from the three. He knows he didn't, his overall game. But the thing is, about a great player, you find other ways to impact the game.

Look at his defensive rebounding. I mean, look at his rebounding. Look at his assist. Let him inounding. Look at his rebounding. Look at his assist. Let him assist. Let him rebound. But that's what great players do. They find ways to impact the game, even though he wasn't scoring. A lot of times, a score,

when he's not scoring, he pops, and all of a sudden, it impacts other areas of the game. Can you impact the game when you're not doing what you normally do to impact the game? Find other ways to influence the game. Can you impact the game when you're not doing what you normally do to impact the game? Find other ways to influence the game. Rebound the basketball. Can I facilitate?

Can I play defense? Can I draw a charge or things of that nature? And I was very happy to see LeBron pull it out. Had a lot going on today. Luka, in the month of March, 31.4 points a game. 8.5 rebounds, 8.6 assists,

basically 44% from the three-point line on 11 attempts per game. He's on pace to be the youngest Laker to average 30 points in a single month since Kobe in 2003.

Nah. Hey, I like the Lakers' chance. I love all the mantras, all the quotes of Lakers in five. But I honestly think they need one more piece. As great as Hakatana, as great as Hakatana, Ruri is playing. Yeah. They need something else. Another score.

LeBron has an off night. Then Luka gives you what he does tonight. He was kind of off and on, but he still ended up with 34. But I think if they just had one more person, they'd give him just a little bit more. I know Reeves is good. I know Ruri can score as well. They just need one more piece of that puzzle.

And I think they're going to be all right. What they were hoping for that Alex Lynn could give them something. Now, I don't know what they've seen from Alex Lynn since he's been in the league. And you don't like Buddy, man. It's not about like or dislike, Ocho. I mean, I think the chatters would agree. They've

watched him at many different stops. I think he's been in Washington. I think he's been with the Suns. He's been different stops. I think he's been in Washington. I think he's been with the Suns. He's been different places. He's what he is. He's what he is. I don't care.

You take a grizzly bear out of the forest, whether he's in Alaska or he's in Canada, it does not matter. You take him out of that and you put him in a different environment. He's still a grizzly bear. Okay. Yeah. His instincts does not go away. Right. Well,

another word, if he's sorry over here, what do you expect him to be over there? He'd be that. I mean, it's not like he was good at one point in time on Joe. And you said, you know what? Hopefully he can summon that up again,

but he has not been good at any stop. He's tall. Now, a coach that is calling his name. It is what it is. And I'm just being factual. There's not anybody outside there that can help him, Mocho. And the problem is,

is that when when Jackson Hayes goes to the bench, there are a small team. They don't have another B. LeBron got to go to the five. LeBron has to goes to the bench, there are small teams. They don't have another big. LeBron got to go to the five. LeBron has to go to the five. Or you bring in Dorian Phoenix Smith, and he has to play the five.

But they're a very, very small team. And that's the problem that you have because you're really not playing Jackson Hayes more than 25 minutes a night. Right. And he's the guy, and the thing that I love about him, you love and you hate, is that you don't run plays for Jackson Hayes. And he's the guy, and the thing that I love, I mean, you love and you hate, is that you don't run plays for Jackson Hayes. He's a lob guy. He gives it out the rim.

He gives you second chance opportunities. Right. But he's not a guy that you can run to the bar and say, hey, he's going to put his back to the basket, throw it to a hand, and he's going to do something with it. That's not what he is. That's not who he is. Right.

Now, I got a question now. Now, listen, you know, my knowledge of the game of basketball is a little limited. I'm getting better at it, though. Now, listen, if they got to go small, if they got to go small, shouldn't the Lakers at times, depending on who it is, be at an advantage

when it comes to, you know, playing small and having to transition up and down the court as opposed to, you know... Yeah, if the court as opposed to, you know. Yeah, for the other team, go small. But what happens when they got Jokic out there? What do you do with him? And that's the problem.

Okay, let's just say you play Memphis. Right. Memphis got Zach Eady, who's 7'3". Yeah. So even if he's not in real bread, don't you? He's in clogging up space. He's not advantageous on offense at all. Or am I wrong?

He's going to give you extra possession because of rebounding. Okay. And without rebounding, there are no rings without rebounding. Okay. And that's the problem that the Lakers are going to have. Even when LeBron has an off night, you still have ar and luca that can carry the load if luca is struggling lebron and ar can carry the load if ar is struggling luca and lebron can still carry the load so right look you got three guys that can score uh ar is giving you like 20 a night lebron is giving you 25 luca's giving you a 30 right okay that's fine one of those guys struggling

the other guys can take over. Need a little bit better production consistently from the bench. You got some good minutes tonight, but JJ's just going to have

to trust Dalton Kinnick. I think the thing is that he loses his way sometimes on the defensive end. And being around JJ, the little bit I had working with him at ESPN, he doesn't like that. He likes students of the game.

He likes smart guys. Smart guys you can win with, even if they're not the most talented. Supremely talented guys that doesn't have basketball IQ get your ass beat. And that frustrates JJ because JJ wasn't the most talented, although he was a great player in college and a really good player inrates J.J. because J.J. wasn't the most talented, although he was a great player in college and a really good player in the NBA. He was very smart. He knew where he was supposed to be,

when he was supposed to be there. Boom. So he could play. And listen, he did all the small things right. Very detailed. Very disciplined. And when you're not supremely athletic, Coach O, you're not supremely athletic Ocho you're not supremely athletic you're not 6'8", 6'9

you gotta do everything right or you don't have handles like a Kyrie you're not quick so what other way can I find a way to get on the court stay on the court

and not cost my team and if you look at it Ocho I think there's 10 games left and you look at 3 through 8 there's only 4 I think there's 10 games left and you look at three through eight, there's only four games difference. There's only four games difference.

Basically, you're four games back. Denver Nuggets have the same win-loss record as the Lakers, and they're in the three seed. Lakers are four. Memphis is five. All of them have 28 losses. And then you got the Clippers, Golden State with 31 losses, which are three games back And then you got the Clippers, Golden State with 31 losses,

which are three games back. And you got Minnesota at 32 losses at a game back of them. So four games separate three through eight. And there's 10 games to go. Right. 10 games in a row. Excuse me, 10 games to go. So the rubber got to beat the road.

Something got to give. Yeah. What's the highest seed or what do you think is preferable for you as a laker fan for them well i think the thing is that what would be easier for them best case scenario to be able to get out of the first round or at least have a chance getting to the second round have home court advantage so you need to be you need to be one through four to have home court advantage. They're not going to get the one seed because

OKC has run away with that. Right. So the one seed is already etched in stone. Now, could they get the two seed? Yeah, that's a possibility. They got the

they got the Rockets on the schedule. They need to close out this road game strong and then go home and close out that homestand strong. Right.

I can see them three or four. Right. Three or four. So that means if everything remains the same, that means they get Memphis in the first round. Ooh, what you like about that matchup? I love that. Hey, just stay away from OKC.

We need to get some rhythm before we see OKC. We need some pressure in the mouth. Ain't no pressure in the first round. They need pressure. So you're saying

Memphis ain't no pressure? No, not for the Lakers. I like that matchup against Memphis. But you know who Memphis got over there? Yeah, Ja. Yeah.

Yeah. I give you Ja I'm going to give you a Luka. Who you taking? OK. i give you i give you jog give you a luca who you take it okay i give you john give you lebron who you take it okay okay no all right now they got jaron jackson who's a dpo candidate uh who made the all-star game bane has played well in the absence john's nursing a hamstring or something, but he's been up and down. Now, when he's been in, he's Ja.

I mean, he's the second pick in the draft. He's been an all-star. So you know what he can do. I mean, nobody is surprised. I mean, just to actually go to a game and watch him and to watch the way he elevates and the way he can contort his body. He's special. He's a guy that I pay my good money to go see

because that's what he is. Look, I basically, if I'm paying my money to come see you, I ain't paying my money to come see you. I mean, y'all, how many points you average? You're not interested. That's got nothing to do with me. Ja is interested because he can finish above the rim, got a nice little float game mid-range shot

he's gotten better at shooting the set three but he's fun he's fun to watch i like that matchup do i think they can beat anybody yes in seven games absolutely because luca and lebron can both take over a game and give you 40. so thosehmm. So those two guys, but Nathaniel Hojo in the playoffs, your three best guys need to be really good. Two out of three need to be great. Damn near every single night. Now, if

I'm getting 80 points, 60, if I'm getting 65 to 80 points from my big three, I'm going to need the other six guys because you're not going to go that deep. Playoff start, you might go nine. As you go further, you reduce that.

But I'm going to need those other nine guys. If those three guys give me eight, I'm going to need those other guys to give me 35. And they're going to have to get a little bit more production from the bench. Gabe Benson is shooting the ball a little better. Penny Smith is doing a little better. But they got to make a decision. What are we going to do at Dawn Connect? Because he can from the bench. Gabe Benson is shooting the ball a little better. Penny Smith is doing a little better, but they got to make a decision. What are we going to do at Dalton Connect? Because he can shoot the three,

but he gets lost on defense. And he gives up easy buckets. And I don't know what something is being lost in translation, Ocho. He's a liability. Well, all of them. Look, Luke ain't playing no defense. Don't, Austin Reed, bless his heart, ain't playing no defense. Don't, all three,

bless his heart, ain't playing defense. LeBron can't sit in the chair no more. LeBron is mainly a help, side defender. He does use his body really well. Guys try to go around him. He'll body him up because that's a big man to try to move. And so he slows him down like that. But LeBron can't sit in the chair

and no one expects him to, Ojo. He's 40. What guy you know played defense at 40? Kobe didn't. Jordan didn't. I'm talking about historically great players. Even Pippen that didn't play until he was 40, he couldn't slide those feet like he could when he was in his prime.

We understand that because you and I talked about it the other night. The lateral quickness is what you lose as he starts to age. So with that being said, Ochoa, I like the Lakers. I believe they can beat anybody in the Western Conference. Yeah, it'll be a struggle. But OKC? Oh, do you see that fire?

We're still winning the fire. we're still we're still winning at five so you want to hold up going to the next topic okay Ocho I don't know if it was this morning or with Tate yesterday

I'm thinking it this morning what happened? LeBron went on the Pat McAfee show. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. He had a lot to say today. Yeah, that was out of character to him. I've never seen him in that setting before and actually just talking freely like that. Yeah.

So we're going to get to that in just a second while we wait for TJ to connect. But the Lakers, I'm looking at the Clippers. I think the thing is, Ochoa, you're trying to stay out of 7 through 10 because you don't want to play any more games than you have to. You won't rest. And it won't start until the 7, 8, 9, 10 is determined. The player who's going to be 7, who's going to be 8 to that determined. So you need rest.

LeBron James is 40. He's been playing, what, 38, 39 minutes tonight? So he's going to need rest. Any bumps and bruises, you want to try to get those guys as healthy as you possibly can. Now, the best thing about the playoffs, you don't play every other, you don't play it back to back. Right. I mean, the first game you play, and then you might have a couple of days off,

and then you get into the routine, and you play it every other day. Okay, you can live with that. But you try to get LeBron, LeBron's going to need as much rest as he possibly can because he is 40. He is what it is. And so once they determine who they're going to,

once they are, if they can secure one of these top six seeds, you avoid the play-in, you get an opportunity to get a couple of days of rest, and then, hey, for tomorrow, it's fall again. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next.

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Yeah. T. What'd you say? Can you hear us? Yeah, I can hear y'all. Oh, no, you can hear us. Now, don't pretend like you can hear us all alone. No, I couldn't.

I ain't know what the hell, man. I ain't know what. T, what's up, boy? What's happening? Hey, look. Hey, T, look, I couldn't. I ain't know what the hell, man. I ain't know what. T, what's up, boy? What's happening? Hey, look. Hey, T, look. I'm swole. Hey, I see you got your low ass back in that weight room.

You need to get on that Shannon Shark playing, boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's been up? You got to get on that Shannon Shark playing. Shit, we love the motherfucking. Hold on, hold on. Hey, I'm on the Shannon Shark playing. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, Sly's your boy. One of them thangs. Hey, I'm on the Shed and Shaw plan. Hey, hey, hey, hey.

Hey, slide your boy one of them things. Hey, I got you. I got you. Hey, listen. Listen, you put it under the tongue, boy does one. Did you hear me? Hey, slide your boy one. Let me see.

I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. Well, how did I get involved in this? How did I get involved in this? Hey, TJ, let me ask you this. When you first met Hooch, I mean, when you first met Hooch, what was your impression of this dude?

Man, so we met in college. He was just real chill. Real, real chill. Chad don't really talk no shit till it's like the competition start. Other than that, Chad's chilling. And then when the competition start, that's when all the shit. So, you know, I thought Chad was hella quiet. And then

we went to practice. I said, oh shit, who was this? He was just a different guy. Who is this fool? Straight up, who is this fool? Exactly. Oh, them some good days, man. Them this fool exactly? Oh, them some good days, man.

Them some good days. Oh, them some good days. TJ. Been knowing Chad since we was teenagers, basically. Yeah. Don, that's crazy. How many years has it been? Listen, my man, I'm not a man.

You're 46. If you were a teenager, it'd be 28. Chad, that's damn near 30 years, bro. Yes. Golly, boy. Hey, you know what's then be 28. Chad, that's damn near 30 years, bro. Yes. Golly, boy. Hey, you know what's crazy, though, Chad? I was just telling somebody this. No, we still look the same, boy. God done blessed us when we was...

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, you know what they say? The black of the juice is sweeter than berry. Hey, Chad, God blessed... Something like that we're going to hear. God said, that's my son. He hit us with that stick. Yeah, yeah, he did, yeah, he did me. Something like that would go good. God said, that's my son. He hit us with that stick. Yeah, he did.

He did. TJ, when he blessed you to keep your hair, he didn't bless Ocho with that. Oh, wait. Hey, TJ, can you tell Uncle I can grow a full set of hair now?

Chad, he always had a bald head. He ain't never had no hair. He'll grow some hair here and there. He always had. Yeah, see? Sporadic.

It's sporadic. I know. As a matter of fact, TJ, Ocho hair is kind of like my sex life. Sporadic. Yeah. See? Sporadic. It's sporadic. I know. As a matter of fact, TJ, Ocho hair is kind of like my sex life. Sporadic. Nah.

Sporadic. Nah. Nah. Don't do that. You know that ain't the truth there. I ain't got no spark. Ocho the cut me

out of my deal. I can't, I can't get no spark because he already throwing them all. Hey, I got, I got, I got about three boxes full. Lodge your boy. You always in L.A.

You come to L.A. You in and out. Holler at your boy. Hey, matter of fact, I'm going to be in L.A. I'm going to be in L.A. on the 30th. But you got to understand, these are prescribed specifically for me

based on the questions I had to ask before I ordered them. So they're prescribed to you. Now, I'm not sure if you would be able to use mine because mine is like, it's like putting 93 in your car. You get me?

Yeah, he got the hot tip, man. Hey, listen. I know, Chad. I know, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know I know. Y'all got my head hurting already. Hey, TJ, you think the'all got my head hurting already. Hey.

TJ, you think the Bengals re-signed, they re-signed T. We knew they were going to re-sign Chase. That was a no-brainer. You're talking about one of the top three receivers in the league, and I'm not sure he's two or three. You make the case, it's easy to say he or Jetta, based on the last three years, they're one,-A, whatever the case you want to go. Are you surprised that the Bengals were able to get a deal done with T?

No, not at all. Who else earned it? Them two dudes earned it. When you go outside of Trey Hendrickson, nobody else on the team has earned that money. We knew they was going to pay Jamar. They always going to pay the best receiver and Jamar. They always going to pay their best receiver and their quarterback. They always going to do that.

What shocked me, T, when he fired David Moolageta, he basically told the Bengals, I want to stay in Cincinnati. I fired my agent because I want to stay here. Y'all can't make that happen. He took a pay cut

to stay in Cincinnati. Absolutely. He really did. And to stay in Cincinnati. Absolutely. He really did. And so, no, it didn't surprise me, but shit, who else earned it? Nobody else on that team earned it outside of Trey Hendricks. And so you got to pay somebody.

The Eagles paying everybody. The big one, pay somebody. But I'm going to tell you, this is what you got to think about. When you think about the Eagles and with Lurie and Young Bull is over there doing. High arrangement. Yeah, yeah. But the Rosemans, they pay everybody a little bit early. when you think about the Eagles and with Lurie and young Bullers over there doing...

By the Rosemans, they paying everybody a little bit early. They catching them early, but they're not paying top dollar for the players that they specific position. But the Bengals, we waiting on the back end. We waiting on the back end and forcing the players to bet on themselves.

So they could have had Jamar at what? 35, 36? They could have had... Two years ago. Two years ago. Right. And they know this is the truth because I told them.

They could have had T. Higgins five years, 100 million. They said that was too much. And I know this because I told them this. Right. But the Eagles, they paying...

A.J. Brown got paid at the top. Devontae Lipton get paid at the top. Jalen Hurst got paid at the top. What organization you know? Sign a dude to a deal. He ball out and they say, you know what, man? You outplayed your deal. We're going to give you another deal after one year.

The way they just did Saquon Barkley. Gave 20 mil. I'm praying if I'm a rookie coming out that I get drafted to the Eagles the way they tried. Absolutely. Right, right, right, right, right, right. But also, you got to understand how special Saquon Barkley is. This is just not your average running back. Tell me you're special in New York and they wouldn't pay you.

Chad, you know being special when you under that contract, dang, you need no more money. Nope. Right, right. Wild one. But look, you got to understand the importance and value that he brought to that team in general. Some of the pressures that he took off Jalen Hurst throughout that season.

What he was able to do for them offensively, actually getting them over the hump. And getting to that Super Bowl run. So I understand, especially everything he's been through. The storyline in general, that's one of the greatest stories right now. Giants, we're going to tag you because we don't really value the position anymore.

The Giants are dumb. The Giants should have got a Super Bowl ring for how dumb they are. Let's say, they should have been given a Super Bowl ring. They dumb. Yeah. Hey, so listen, knowing the Bengals and understanding what we need, the way we look last year, how we finish, understanding what we need to do

offensively, obviously we need to start fast. But on the defensive side of the ball, what do you think we need to do come draft? What do we need most? We got to be able to stop the run. I believe Jenkins is to be his second year. If he anything like his daddy, he going to be better.

So, yeah, your pops was a hell of a defensive tackle. He's going to be better. Just his bloodlines and a year of experience. We just going to have to draft well on defense, man. We got to be able to draft well. Like, we draft Myles Murphy out of Clemson in the first round. He got to start playing like that now.

This going into his third year, he ain't playing like a first-round draft. He got to start playing like that now. This going into his third year, he ain't playing like a first-round draft. He got to play like that. We need Cam Taylor-Britt to play how he played in 2023. Jay Turner was playing well, then he got hurt. And so,

they can do it. It's just they cannot miss. We can't miss with draft picks on the defense side of the ball. When you're going to pay the offense, you got to draft and develop on the defensive side of the ball. That's going to be the key. We got to make sure we get three starters out of this draft

on defense. Wait, three starters that can come in and start right now? Right now. Your first round pick, your second round pick, and somebody else that just surprises you. What do you see from the Eagles? What do they get? Jordan Davis,

Jalen Carter, Brother Mikel, DeJuan. You see what they did? Yeah. You see? Nicole B. Dean. All on defense.

Because we're paying all the money. 50 plus million for Hurts. We got 33, 34, 33 million tied up in AJ. We got 28 million tied up in Devontae and we paid our entire

offensive line. Lane Johnson, Dickerson, Maulata. And we done paid dollars. We gotta hit it out the park on the defensive side of the joke because we can't pay top dollar.

That's why they let those guys leave. Think about the guys that left went to New England. One guy went to Arizona because we can't pay him. Now Jalen Carter,

whoo! He gonna get Oh yeah, he gonna He about to get 41, 42 million. Yeah. Go ahead and give him to it now before you have to pay him 50 million.

Yeah. Hey, T, think about how bad our defense was, right? And obviously they paid T, they paid Burrow, we paid Chase. What do you think about Trey Henderson? Did we pay Trey Henderson market value? Or is he going to give him a home team discount? Nope, he not. We pay him market value, Chad, but what's market value, or is he going to give him a home team discount? Nope, he not. We pay a market value, Chad,

but what's market value? What's market value? I mean, he got 33, what, 36 sacks in the past two seasons? He got 35, 17 and a half the last two years. 35 sacks. This is what I'll say. I'm a pain,

but I'm not making him one of the highest paid defensive players I'm not doing it you you can't whoa how you not gonna do that because number one number one this is where you we call this hustling backwards I ain't going out I'm trying to get money I'm not gonna hold on to lose money you do that we hustling backwards now right yeah he not gonna hold out so i'm doing my solid i'm giving he's supposed to make 17 million dollars i believe this year if the bingles would be fair they bump him up to 28 to 30 the 30 30 would be the max that i would give him if it was the bingles we got to understand he a hell of a player he had five sacks against the raiders five sacks against the Raiders. Five sacks against the Raiders. And so

he showed up big time the last game against the Steelers. You got three. With him being 31, you can't give this man a four-year extension at 35 plus a year. I'd give him 28 to 30 million. I believe the Bengals would do that.

How much are you going to give him guaranteed? How much are you going to give him fully guaranteed? Because that's what I'm looking at. Damn them big ass numbers if they get paper. See, now Shannon, you talking. Now, now, now.

Shannon's talking like that agent right there. Like, hey. I say, I say about, I'm going to give me 45 guaranteed. 45 guaranteed.

That's about. That's it? I don't know if he's going to take that T,. 45 guaranteed. That's about it. I don't know if he's going to take that, TJ. He ain't taking that, TJ. No, no, no. This is the thing, though. Because if you look at T. Higgins' contract, if I'm guaranteed 30 in the first year, just say 35 in the first year.

35 in the first year if you trade Hendrickson. And then I give you a $10 million roster bonus in the offseason. I'm not releasing you. Your base salary for that second season is pretty much guaranteed. It's just not part of

the fully guaranteed part of the contract. So now your base salary is somewhere along $15 million. That's $60 million in two years you're going to make. And it ain't fully guaranteed, but $15 million of it is

as long as you got that $10 million roster bonus, they not gonna give you $10 million in offseason and release you. Hey, they say, did y'all see what they did to Aaron Rodgers? Did y'all see what they did to Russell Wilson? They will release you. Even if you got 30

plus, Russell had $36 million guaranteed. What Russell Wilson did to himself when he was playing. Yeah, all right. I think, TJ, for me, I think he might be content if you fully guarantee the first two years at about $60 million because you said that $30 million level, you're not trying to put him at Nick Bosa, $34 million.

You're not trying to put him at Miles Garrett, which is 40 million. So, I'm thinking two years at 60 million. The last three years are going to be vulnerable, but he's going to probably, he's going to want something,

a big number to make a big splash. But you're going to probably have to give him 60 million fully guaranteed. Hey, this is the year, man.

We got to do something. We got to do something. We got to do something we got to plan a preseason because the last few years we ain't been playing in the preseason exactly we start off we start off slow every race kills us bro the first game of the season last year was is is chase gonna play is he gonna oh shit he gonna play he acted and it moves to the patriots and that now is a game that would have got y'all in the playoffs it's you know what we're talking about trey hendrickson but we saw pratt your outstanding linebacker that led him and that now is a game that would have got y'all in the playoffs. But you know what, TJ? We're talking about Trey Hendrickson.

But we saw Pratt, your outstanding linebacker that led them in tackles. Now you lost Hubbard, who retired. Hendrickson is upset because his contract, Pratt said, y'all ain't got no money for me because y'all just paid Burr, y'all paid T, y'all paid Chase. Y'all ain't got no money for me, and y'all need to pay Hendrickson. Y'all need to let me go.

You can't keep losing in good defensive player, TJ, and expect you to think you're going to win. You can't, Shannon, but I hate doing this, man. I hate doing this. We was players, man. We was players. But if you played on that defense and you not trade Hendrickson, what you want?

What you want? What did you do during the season that says you deserve more money? I want more than $7 million. Then you could have played like you wanted more than $7 million. Damn, T.J. Damn, damn, T. If you talk about being on show, look at T.J. T.J. cutting him up.

I'm saying, outside of Trey Hendrickson, who on that defense could literally say, I deserve a pay raise? Right. Trey Hendrickson was the only one that showed up each and every game when he was needed. Now, Jermaine Pratt has some games, but he done had some plays where,

ah, we needed that play. Ah, we needed that play. If you start in any position in the league we all know this and you get enough opportunity you're going to make enough plays but what about the plays

you don't make right when I look hey we go ahead go ahead I would get ready to say obviously you and I

have been playing together since college and obviously I view and I've always said it before I think I think Chase is probably to me the greatest banger receiver to whoever Don was trying to make.

Chad, stop. Stop, bro. Wait, wait. Let me finish. That's not true. That's not true. Isaac Curtis Hill, downtown Freddie Brown. That man right there with them locs on his. Huh? Like, listen.

I never won a Triple Crown, though. Listen, listen. Because you had me. Listen, though. And Chad know this, Shannon. He know what I'm about to say. Man, Chad's supposed to be in the Hall of Fame, man. They fucking this boy over, man.

Oh, I put on my own jacket, though. No, no, no, no, no. Chad, Chad, you joking. You know I'm serious about this because I tell you this all the time. Chad is the greatest receiver in Bengals history. Now, Jamar Chase is on his way to trying to equal or pass Chad.

But where we sit right now, man, Chad is here. It's Chad. It's Chad. It's A.J. Green. It's Isaac Curtis. That's what it is to me. me now Jamar Chase is on his way to getting there but come on Chad you can't do it to yourself you know I tell you this all the time

Shannon you in the hall of fame let me give you my hall of fame criteria because for some odd reason I think my criteria is the best and nobody listens to it. Okay. For a period of five years, were you a top five player at your position? If you got to think about it, you're not a Hall of Famer. I agree. So now you go to 2002, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. That's seven years.

Seven of those years, Chad was top three in the league for five of them. He led the AFC five years in a row. How this man can't even be a finalist? That makes no sense. He was leading the AFC in a year. He didn't lead it. I did. I did.

So, you tell me how he ain't in a How he not even a finalist But you got dudes that wasn't even top five at their position They getting in But I was a villain The villain They never letting the villain in

Nah But They never They listen I understood that Why you think I donned the jacket in the first place Because I understood the politics that came behind it To me

I don't like the Listen I don't like the business side of football Remember we talked about that the other day because I understood the politics that came behind it. To me, I don't like that. Listen, I don't like the business side of football. Remember we talked about that the other day? Yes. I talked about contracts. The reason why I played the game

like a little kid having fun and entertaining. Now, the flip side of things. Okay, I know how y'all going to play me. I chose not to conform.

I'm playing the game the way I felt it should be played. So, regardless of what my numbers would be, T, I understand what you're saying. You felt it should be played So regardless of what my numbers would be T, I understand what you're saying You earned it

You earned it But you gotta play by their rules If you don't play by their rules They not letting you in there You know how I feel about it All the stuff that you was doing You can do now Y'all didn't get fined for it

They owe you back pay Yeah, but here's the thing though, Ocho You can do now. You don't even get fined for it. They owe you back pay. They owe you back pay. Yeah, but here's the thing, though, Ocho. You had no off-field issues. Now, what happened was the thing that's going against you, and you still don't have this, is that they wanted to keep T.O. out so bad, they changed it. They said anything that you did on the sidelines or in the locker room couldn't be used against you.

Where before, they said even off-field activities could be held against the player. That's how bad they wanted to keep T.O. from being the first ballot on the paper. Yeah, that was criminal that T.O. Then they had the nerve not to let him in the first year.

The second year? No. The first year and I think even though, and y'all know how I feel about T.O., I said he's the second greatest receiver to me. Some people push back and say it's Randy, but we know I think you and I, I think T.J. and I are more aligned. I think Jerry's the greatest receiver, and it ain't close. That's my prediction.

Now, T.J., you might say Randy. You might say T.O. But for me, I think those three are the top three receivers as we sit here and discuss it today. Now, Chase and Jetta and somebody down the line might have something to say about. But I sure hope I'm alive when I can see the receiver that say, hey, he right there with Jerry. I want to be alive to see that receiver.

That ain't going to ever happen. Jerry Rice was getting 1,000 yards in year 20, bro. 40 years old, got 1,200 yards. That's never going to happen. We'll never see somebody do what Jerry Rice has done. But Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, they on their way. But they got to make sure that they don't hit any bumps in the road because Odell Beckham was on his way as well.

If he hit those bumps in the road, he could never recover from that. I just feel like Chad is the best bingo receiver in the history of a team. He knows that. I know that. Now Chase is on his way. I tell Chad this all the time because he's never going to say nothing about it, man. It's just a crime that he can't be a Hall of Fame finalist when his game on the field, he earned that shit, bro. Spoke to that.

And that's one thing about Chad. When you talk about work hard, this dude is going to himself to death like we can we was in year nine and we was taking all the scout team reps like we were still rookies every time every time every practice Thursday Friday we did all the offensive reps all the scout team reps. I left the Bengals and went to other teams. Them dudes is like, bro, what's the scout team? I just always have done it. And so, people don't realize, like,

Chad worked hard. We similar paths. We both went Juco. We both had, like, ain't no way they making it to the league. Oh, shit, they made it. And to be successful. I mean, that right there within itself, pat yourself on the back.

But yeah, Chad should be in the Hall of Fame, man. Any chance I get, I'm going to say that because I know, I know who the best receivers were. And I'm not going to put nobody down, but some of these dudes, they not better than him. And them dudes even know they not better than him. You stepped up to help our rookie, Jermaine Burton. We saw the struggles.

A lot of it played out publicly. Ocho said he's going to try to intervene this year. We got two great Bengal receivers that's trying to help the younger generation. Like, bro, there's a lot. There's a professional aspect of it, which is what you do. You're in the NFL. That means you're professional. And then there's a pro, PRO, which is the way

you go about handling your business. We need to get you to become a pro. You know, with Jermaine, I was talking to him a lot prior to the season starting because he was having problems prior to the season

and Bengals knew that I was close with him, so was having problems prior to the season. And Bengals knew that I was close with him. So they was reaching out to me before anything ever became public. Certain games, he wasn't even going to be active then. They were letting me know the night before.

And so I'm giving Maine a call like, bro, what's going on? How you doing? I'm going to just see if he going to tell me what's going on before I got to ask him what's going on? How you doing? I'm going to just see if he's going to tell me what's going on before I got to ask him what's going on. Right.

And he got all the talent in the world. But at some point, I can't want you to be what you don't want to be. What I tell my kids, I can't want it more than you want it for yourself. He's going to have to figure that out. I just talked to him today. I just talked to him today. I just talked to him today.

And to me, it ain't about anything physical on the field. He gotta make sure mentally and off the field he ready to go. Because the league gonna move on. He got one more strike.

They gonna move on without him. It don't matter who you are, man. It's NFL. This thing gonna keep rolling. With you or without you, you gonna move on. He got one more strike. They gonna move on without him. It don't matter who you are, man. It's NFL. This thing gonna keep rolling with you or without you. You gonna hop on the train and roll with us or you gonna get your ass

rolled over and get left behind? Yeah, absolutely. I hope he figure it out, man, because he's so talented. He comes from a background where he can really change his family's fortune. And I'm gonna do all I can.

Chad know me. I'm gonna talk. Yeah. I'm gonna help all i can chad know me i'm gonna talk yeah i'm gonna help i'm gonna help him as much as i can but ultimately i can't want it more than you want to yeah man listen i i don't i don't i don't know brother burden like like that obviously when i when i go to the stadium when i do have my my times and chances where i'm at the field you know i don't i don't i don't want to do that. You know, I don't want to do that, be that father figure. I don't want to be that guy because when I was playing and people come in, I wasn't trying to hear that stuff from them. So I just talk strictly football.

When you're out here, you're going to pull up to the training. That's what you're going to do. You're going to pull up to the training. Well, I'm going to bring my cleats too. I don't know if you, hey. I can't tell TJ. Tell him to let it go, TJ. Hey.

Hey. What? Hey, man. It's just different, Chad. Hey. Hey, right now, I lightweight hurt myself thinking I could...

Hey, man. And your mind say, I got this. As soon as you get on that field, boy, your body be like, boy, you better sit your ass right on down. I mean, I'm in shape, bro.

There's a reason why we hung them clean, TJ. Hey, we looked apart, but I don't know if we are apart. It's that lateral, and I keep trying to tell Ocho, yes, Ocho, could you run straight ahead? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That da-da?

It ain't no, it is da-da-da-da-da-da-da. See, Chad might be the only, I'll give you that. Chad lateral movement was, that is out of this world. That's one thing. Chad was so quick. Even if he lose quickness, he about what everybody else is now. See, I told you. But here's the thing though, TJ.

Even though he might be what, because his quickness is because he's so light. See, you and I like to play through contact. We wanted somebody to try. We wanted somebody to be up there, Ocho. I mean, TJ, so we can snatch a pull or rip through the ass.

At 185, lateral quickness right there. Hey, Shannon, you probably giving Chad about five pounds. Chad lateral quickness right there. Man, they're going to shove his ass up under the bed. Hey, Shannon, you're probably giving Chad about five pounds. Chad's probably about 180 right now. Right now, I'm 205. Chad, you a devil. Look at this. Hey, Chad.

What are you talking about? You got a big bicep. You got a big chest. You got big calves. Yeah. That's it. He got no legs. But all your weight is from waist down.

That's what a weight is from waist down that's what that's what that's what a weight is Ocho hey you know what promise promise the horses ain't got no big legs

neither you see how they run exactly fair brand fair brand look how skinny their ankles are now Clydesdale

got the big ass legs and they ain't moving nothing they pulling stuff. Cloud horse and a racehorse. Hey, TJ, who you got? Because we know we got this fight coming up this year. Ocho

versus James Harrison in MMA. Listen, man. Chad, my dog, bro. What kind of... Hey, T, don't say nothing wrong. Don't say nothing wrong.'t say that what kind of fight is it is it just by me or me nah me or me chad don't do the mma bro i love you dog chat so who's side you on you got on my side chad listen to what i'm saying bro hold on hold on are you on my side Chad boxing I got you yeah

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He's not going to be able to grab me, T. He's not going to be able to grab me, T. I'm going to play with him, T. Listen to me. I'm going to toy with him. I'm going to play with him, T. Listen to me. I'm going to toy with him. I'm going to toy with him in the octagon.

Listen, I'm going to hit him at will when I want to, T. I'm going to be jabbing and jabbing and jabbing and jabbing, T. Hey, I'm going to bounce around. I'm going to move around, T. Hey, watch out, yo. Watch out. Hey, listen. I'm going to tell you.

Let me listen to you. I got you. If it's anything, I can't do it. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. You need to have faith in the mustard seed. I'm going to tell you. I'm can't do it. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. You need to have faith in the muscle seed. I'm going to tell you how I'm going to do it. I'm going to choke him out with a guillotine,

and I'm going to run straight to you and jump in your arms. Hey, man. This is the old pride fight. No weight class. This pride fight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Back in the day. Back in the day. Back in the 60s. Now, the boxing thing, because he got all that muscle, he's going to be tired fast. What you think is going to be in the octagon, T? Because he's going to shoot and take you down. He can't shoot. You can't shoot.

I'm going to keep my distance. You got to get close enough to throw a punch. Yes. I'm like this. How you get that punch, don't joke? Easy. What you mean?

I'm a gazelle punching. Hey. Hey, man, I just hope James Harrison, man. James, if you watching, have mercy on my boy, man. Hey, James,

if you watching, you got a punchable face. See, TJ, what you done started? Hey, what month is the fight? Whatever month you want it to be. I was hoping somewhere around August or September. I thought we were doing a Super Bowl. Oh, so you want it to be a Super Bowl in San Francisco next year?

Yeah, so all the former current players can be there to see him get his ass whooped. Well, what about our show? He said you ain't going to be able to do it. That's what he said. That'd be perfect, too. We had a fight before the show. Not the same day. I'm saying like a few days before.

Oh, Lord have mercy. You got to remember, Super Bowl is a seven-day event. Seven-day week. I know. So we can schedule it. I bet you ain't heard from him because I told him to send the contract. So we'll have a fight that Friday night and we'll do our show

that Thursday night. Bingo. Yeah. Hey, just pay him off. Back in the 40s and 50s, man. Just pay him off. Pay him to take a dive like Harlem Night. Pay him to take a dive, man.

Hey, listen, I'm not doing it. I got too much pride, T. If it's... I got to... Listen, I got to show the world we got to learn to stand up the bullies. If it's...

We got to learn to stand up the people that's bigger than us and stop looking at people that have size and strength and allowing that to intimidate us. Oh, you know I ain't scared if it's boxing.

So remember, remember the story of David and Goliath, right? Same thing. That's what it's going to be. All right. I'm with you. It's going to play out

in real life. That's all I got to say. You know I'm with you. I just, I'm an advisor. You make sure it's just hands I just, I'm advising you. Make sure it's just hands only. Just these.

Just these. Hey, T, I got the quickest feet in the world. You know, they used to call me Liu Kang back in high school. Remember, Mortal Kombat, Liu Kang. That was me. That man get his hands on you, Ocho? Hey, that's the same thing as they say on Sundays. If they get their hands on me, and only one person was able to do it.

Who that? Revis? You just got it. See, when Revis did that, you was one foot in, one foot out. You wasn't all the way in. You wasn't all the way in. Yeah. Well, I sure hope he all the way in when he fight James. Oh, I definitely am.

Or he'll be on both feet out. Hey, I've been working on my wrestling techniques too. Oh, no. See what you said, TJ. This man talking about he gonna wrestle. No, I'm talking about in the third round. He gonna be tired. You ain't gonna get to the third round. You better go get with one of them Gracies and

get on some jujitsu so that when he grab you... Wait a minute. Wait a minute. the third run. You better go get with one of them Gracies and get on some jujitsu. When he grab you... Wait a minute. Hold on. I'm a black belt. TJ, what you talking about? Nah, that's Hermes. That ain't no jujitsu belt. Hey, you better go get with one of them Gracies. Somebody teach you

some jujitsu. When he grab you, you got him. That's your best bet. Pay John Jones to teach you you go to new mexico albuquerque new mexico that's what john that's what uh uh he trained out of go to mexico for like a a month yeah i i'm i'm ready man yeah the fact that y'all don't believe me that that kind of hurt man chat that meant hey wrestling that's all the big dudes do. That's all they're going to do? Hey, wrestling, fighting, it don't matter. With anything, combat sports, he's going to be tired in 20 seconds

because the first thing he's going to do is, ah, done, gassed. Okay. It don't take much energy to grab somebody that can't get away. You do realize that man played in the NFL, so he did. He rushed the quarterback. You know, when they was going on no huddle, he was still rushing the quarterback, okay? I'm just letting you know.

I tell you what, I done done enough talking tonight. I can show you better than I can tell you. Okay. All right. TJ, man, thanks for joining us, man. We got to get you to come back on on the reg, bro. Man, y'all got to holler at your boy, Boost Mobile, man. Let me get that shirt, man. I see they both got the Boost Mobile on the

background. Appreciate that. All the best, TJ. Thanks for joining us tonight. TJ, who's Rosado, former Bengal great, Ocho's teammate in college and in the NFL. Ocho, now, LeBron James went on the Pat McAfee show today,

nearly three weeks after confronting Stephen A at a basketball game. Yeah. LeBron broke his silence on the incidents, referring to the fallout as a Taylor Swift tour run for Stephen A. The beat started, excuse me, over comments Stephen A made regarding Bronny. I initially wasn't going to say anything. I wasn't going to talk about it. We didn't talk about it.

Y'all didn't hear anything from me for about three weeks ago, but now LeBron has went on PMAT, and we have to talk about it now. LeBron said he hasn't been too happy with how Stephen A has reacted to the situation. He's on a Taylor Run Swift tour right now. It started off with, I didn't want to address it, but since the video came out, I feel, this is LeBron talking, I need to address it. He completely missed the whole point.

The whole point, never would I allow people to talk, not allow people to talk about a sport and criticize players about what they do. This is your job to criticize or to a position where there's a guy that's not performing, you know. That's all a part of the game. But when you take it and you get personal with it, it's not my job to not only protect my damn household,

but protect the players. He's going to be smiling ear to ear when this comes out talking about it because I know he's going to be happy as hell. Me. I wish Stephen A would just left it alone. Once he addressed it, once it happened. The first time.

Address it. This is what happened. He came over to me, said what he said. I want to address it now, and I'm going to be done with it. Right. because as my grandma used to say boy stirring up old ish it still smells so every time every time uh steven talks about it it reached it it stirs it up again yeah and look i i see both sides uh uh uh i see both sides of the equation um yeah but ste Stephen A just needs to let it go. He needs to let it go. And now you're like, well, if he'd have hit him,

I don't think LeBron was coming to hit you. LeBron was coming to tell you, bro, just stop talking about my son. He said, because you said, oh, as a father, now you're making it personal. You're making it personal because now you're making it seem, and this is how LeBron, I think, took it. You're making it seem that I'm not a good father, that I'm not putting myself and putting my son in the position to be successful. And so you're pushing this. And so LeBron took it a certain way.

And am I surprised LeBron responded the way he did so publicly? Because LeBron is a very private person. Yes, sir. He might have an issue with someone, and you will never know it. You'll never know it, yeah. You will never know it. And so for him to do that at a game, and it wasn't after the game, it wasn't before the game, it was the third quarter during the timeout,

lets you know how upset he was at Stephen A and what Stephen A had been saying. But at this point in time, I understand LeBron, they asked LeBron about this, but if I'm Stephen A, hey, guys, I've already addressed that. He said what he said. I understood his point. I said

what I said. Now it's time to move on. Look, it's not going to stop me from talking about LeBron James, the basketball player on the court. But the incident, I feel that we've talked about it ad nauseum. I feel we've talked about it enough, and now it's time to move on.

That's what I wish Stephen A. would do. But like he said, I mean, look, I get it. That's LeBron James. It's the biggest name in pro North American sport. And when you mention his name, good, bad, or get it. That's LeBron James. It's the biggest name in pro North American sport. And when you mention his name, good, bad, or indifferent, people don't want to click and hear what you have to say about him. But the one thing I know about this guy, and I know him a little bit,

I don't know him as well as a lot of people do. That man loves his family. He's going to protect his family now. Always. Always. And I think when you think about it, and you go back to the way things happened with LeBron actually addressing Stephen A. Courtside, is, well, what Stephen A. said

obviously was said publicly, on a public forum, on TV. So he addressed it the exact same way. Publicly. Courtside, in the middle of a game. Yes, Yes. Now, as,

as, as a father, you know, and like Stephen, they said he understood what LeBron was coming from. Knowing Stephen, a, I think in,

in the, the individual that he is, LeBron said what he had to say today. I'm sure Stephen, a is going to respond to that because you need to think about anytime anyone says anything to or about Stephen, a, he's going to respond to that because you need to think about it. Anytime anyone says anything to or about Stephen A, he's going to have an answer

to whatever is being said. That's just him. And it's always been him. I know you would like him to leave it alone, but I don't think that's not how it's going to go. The only thing I would have said was Stephen A, look, I know people are going to be like, man, LeBron should have stole on you. LeBron should have did this. Man, they just talking. Stephen A, man, you saying, man, LeBron should have stole on you. LeBron should have did this.

Man, they just talking. Steven, I mean, you say, man, you about, I'm about to be 57. You about to be 58. That ain't even your MO. Right. You don't fight nobody. I don't, LeBron wasn't going to swing on you. And you wasn't going to, and LeBron wasn't going to swing on you.

So there would have been no need for you to swing on him. I'm glad you guys stood there and y'all talk. Look, he said what he said. You seem to be receptive at the time of it. You are seemingly, you said you understood because he was speaking to you as a father and not LeBron James, the basketball player.

And you seemingly, you said you understood that. Let it go. Now, let it go. Now, look, I mean,

I had issues. I remember I had issues I remember I had a conversation with Kevin Durant when he first got traded to Phoenix uh huh and I walked

into the hotel I was like damn that's KG and he said oh let me holler at you right quick I said what's up

okay you know so you know I'm like damn I ain't get no dab no dab what what he said let me

holler at you right quick I said what's up bro he said man what's it what it is you you you, let me holler at you right quick. I said, what's up, bro? He said, man, what's the deal? You got beef with me? You don't like me or something? I said, man, why you say that?

He said, man, the way you talk. I said, KD, bro, I'm passionate. I say any topic that we discuss on that show, I'm very, very passionate. I've spent a lot of time researching it, and I'm very, very careful to what I say. I say, KD, it ain't about no like or dislike. I say, I don't know you personally. All I talk about is what you do on the court. That's it.

Whatever you may or may not do off the court, I don't give a damn. Right. I said, you can ask your mom. I've talked to your mom ad nauseum. She used to come on the show. I've seen that event. I said, KD, there ain't no like or dislike. I said, I'm just passionate about topic, bro.

I said, I ain't got no, I don't dislike anybody because I don't know anybody to dislike them. It's not like me and Oak when I used to hang out with Oak. Oak used to work out. Charles Oakley used to run on the track with us. Oak used to come to the gym and work out with me. Oak and I used to work out charles oakley used to run on the track with us oak used to come to the gym and work out with me oak and i used to go out to houston's that's that was his favorite restaurant the n-word always got the cheese toast me and oak had a have a relationship i pick up the phone and call oak i say i don't know any of these current players

like that right i say but I'm just passionate about topics. I said, bro, I ain't no like or dislike. I said, but if I didn't like you, you'd know it. He said, all right. He said, man, I just, you know. I said, cool, bro. I said, I ain't got no problem with you. I said, anytime.

He said, hey, here, give me your phone. We exchanged numbers, left me your phone. We exchanged numbers. Left it at that. He saw I was at the game the other, uh, last year, a couple of years ago, I took my daughter to the first,

well, it might have been this year. Nah, it was two years ago. But anyway. Yeah. Had to talk to, hey, talk to him on the bench, laugh and talk. I ain't got no problem

with nobody, Ocho. And I'm not trying to go for bad or nothing like that. But that ain't how I am. And guys, I think when guys see me, they know I ain't all about that, man. I'm just cool. I just want to vibe,

have a good old time. But like I said, I appreciate, instead of him like, you know, Brie on Twitter and the internet trying to blow it up. Hey, somebody got a problem with me? Hey, come to me. Right. Just come to me. I, somebody got a problem with me? Hey, come to me.

Just come to me. I ain't got no problem. I talk to anybody, anybody, anywhere, about anything. You got a problem with what I said? Why you said that? Sean, why you said that? Right.

This is why I said that. Go ahead. Right. And you know what I do like, though? I'm not sure how the people in the chat feel, but I enjoy when you talk about Kevin Durant, players of that magnitude, elite players. I mean, obviously, we talk about one of the greatest scorers of all time.

I love the way Kevin Durant uses social media. I love the way he's so accessible to the people, to be the star that he is, where LeBron wouldn't allow himself to be vulnerable. What LeBron did today, I've never seen LeBron do before. What he did on the Pat McAfee show, sitting there for an hour straight and actually just being vulnerable,

talking about everything, I really, really enjoyed that because there's some from LeBron that we've never, that obviously I've never seen before and I really, really enjoyed that and I wish more superstar elite athletes would do that, be a little bit more open, be a little bit more accessible.

And, I mean, it was just enjoyable. It was enjoyable to see him outside that normal setting of not being viewed as the king, if that makes sense. Well, most of the great players are going to be guarded because they're only going to give you so much. They're going to allow you to see so much of what they want you to see. If you look at all the great players, they've always been very, very guarded. They're not going to totally let you inside,

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