Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: LeBron & Lakers 4-4, Kerr & Tatum drama, Joel Embiid suspended

Episode Date: November 7, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and J.R. Smith react to LeBron James and Los Angeles Lakers 131-114 loss to Ja Morant, ROY contender Zach Edey and the Memphis Grizzlies. Later, Unc, Ocho and J.R. discuss the Golden State Warriors HC Steve Kerr says he has no regrets about benching Boston Celtics’ Jayson Tatum during the Olympics, the NBA suspends Philadelphia 76ers Joel Embiid and much more!04:11 - Show Start04:47 - Intro06:30 - Grizz beats Lakers32:25 - Steph Curry and Warriors beat Celtics51:30 - KD over Steph01:02:00 - Embiid suspended(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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131 to 114. Earlier today, Chet LaParte said when the Lakers lose, it's not going to be a 40-year-old man's fault. It's on Anthony Davis, not LeBron James' fault. We know Chandler's had a lot of course things to say about LeBron over the course of the years. But you watch this game, you watch them play without AD. It was close for a little while,

and then the Grizzlies started raining threes, and then they pulled away. I mean, that's to be expected, though. I mean, for one, the Memphis is playing at home. Jive's back. It's a lot of energy in the building. But again, no AD, no Rui. The bench has been really suspect

coming from the Lakers' side. So, I mean, that's to be expected. It's a tough road game, especially earlier on in the season. You know, obviously when you're on your number 1A or 1B guy is out, depending on what day it is. I mean, it's hard to call Bron anything other than 1 or 1A. So, but I mean, it's a tough situation. It's just a tough situation

they ran into and, you know, Memphis is going to be playing a lot better this year, obviously, because Ja's back

and the team is healthy, but, I mean, that's a tough team to beat and to go in and walk in and Memphis is already a tough place to win in.

Especially when they're playing at home and we know they're at the grindhouse. We know how they got can get up and down. The crowd get into the game. Ja Highfly, here's a high wire act. He's levitating through the air.

He's playing unbelievable. Obviously, he has a lot to prove. He missed last year, had a lot of situations going on with him the previous year. And he wants to show, hey, a lot of guys stepped up in his absence. You saw Ant-Man. You saw a lot of these young players start to take steps forward in a place that he's supposed to have his foot on them by now. He had to sit down, you know, some off-the-court issues.

You look at LeBron in 35 minutes. He was 15-24, 6-11 from three, seven rebounds, six assists, 39 points. D'Angelo Russell, 4-12, 12 points. Austin Reed, 7-17, 19 points. Cam Reddish did finish strong with 15 points. But when I look at this, JR, I'm looking at the Lakers. I'm like, bro, y'all bitch was suspect last year. Y'all brought the same bitch back.

How do you expect to get better if your bitch was suspect last year? You made no improvement to it. and somehow you think, okay, well, AD played good last year. Now he's playing all world. He's never played this good this early, averaging 32 points, averaging 12 rebounds, giving it to you on both ends. LeBron is doing what LeBron does. We know LeBron is going to average somewhere between 25 and 27 points a game.

He's going to give you 7 to 8 rebounds, 7 to 8 assists. We know that. Okay? We're the consistent third guy, and then when those guys go to the bench, because LeBron can't play 45 minutes a night like he could when he was young, where are the points going to come from, Swish?

Who can they count on, especially bench points? Honestly, to me, I would like, and if I know Bron, how I know Bron, I think he's doing it now with Cam Reddish. Like, you got to mow that one guy who's going to be that bench firecracker. You're like, one thing off the bench, you need a firecracker, a dude who's really like, and that's one thing, like, I really loved about Malik Monk coming off the bench, you need a firecracker, a dude who's really light. And that's one thing I really loved about Malik Monk coming off the bench in Sacramento because this dude can run, pick a roll.

He can get above the rim. He can shoot the three. He can defend. He can get you big stops. He's an energy guy. He's going to get the career out into it. So when you got guys like that, and that's the role that I fit into a lot of times in my career is like, when you got guys like that, you got to figure out a way to get them going early,

especially if they already feel like, all right, I'm coming off the bench. The guy's in front of me. He's not better than me, but this is what's best for the team. This is the role. So, in order for me to play my role,'m gonna need you to feed me like i cool i may not be i may not be eating steak and caviar every night but i need a little lobster here and there like yeah you love the crab legs and do some fights in the meantime and plus he has to be able also now a lot of times you're gonna start off lebron's probably gonna be heading to the bench

so you'll be able to get your rhythm then when lebron comes back in times you're going to start off, LeBron's probably going to be heading to the bench. So you'll be able to get your rhythm. Then when LeBron comes back in there, you're going to have to find a way to mesh with him and AD while they're on the court also. Because we know those guys are going to get those shots. When AD's off the court, LeBron's off the court, obviously your firecracker that's coming off the bench, he's going to be allowed to get his shots.

But when they come back into the ballgame, now you're going to have to find a way to seamlessly transition and blend in with those guys. For me, when I really think about that, it's a lot of kudos to Mike Woodson because when I was with the Knicks and I did end up winning six-man of the year, he found a great package for myself and Melo to play within

when Melo comes off the court and I'm in there in a situation to where i can be aggressive and i could be as aggressive as i want then when he comes back and like especially in the trenches when it's the third and fourth quarter when he gets to that meat and potatoes of the situation it's almost to where it's like okay he's the vocal point but y'all still playing ping pong like you you involved in it but you like yeah it's a back and forth game then you got stat rolling on picks and pick a pops. Like you're in a situation to where now you got a cohesiveness rhythm with all your scores, which are key pieces.

And for what T. Lou used to do with a lot with Kyrie and Kev in the situation where Bron is going off or Kai is going off, he will find intricate plays for Kev to make Kev not only feel like he's a part of the team, but feel good about when he's involved to a situation to where he's not caught off guard to where you might get a certain situation where they jump the screen. He get a pick and pop situation where normally they're not going to leave Kev for pick and pop. They're going to hedge and try and get back to Kev immediately. But you have those situations where, you know what? He ain't got a shot in four or five minutes.

Let me just double team and see what happens. But if you plan that and if you're playing that way, you already have that cohesiveness within the group to where he not even tripping. He going to get it off regardless. I thought the Lakers got some really great looks tonight at three. The ball just didn't fall. And in the second, late in the second and through the third quarter, I think what was it, the third quarter, they were like six or seven or seven or eight from the three-point line, J.R.?

And so, look, when a team catches fire like that, you either match them or they're going to pull away from you. That's the only two options. You can't make enough twos when they're going seven of eight or eight or nine or whatever they went from the three-point line in the third quarter. If you either match them shot for shot or whatever the lead is they had, I guarantee you it's going to be double-digit.

It's going to be 13, 14 points by the time you start the fourth quarter if you don't match that intensity from the three-point line. And I don't think the Lakers have great three-point shooting. I think they got streaky shooters. LeBron is streaky. Kobe at the Ozarks. Austin Reeves, he's streaky. They don the Ozarks. Austin Reeves. He's streaky.

They don't have guys that you're like, oh, okay, they can just pull from here. I don't know. The kid, Christian. What's his name? Oh, Matt Christie? He got a ratchet. I can't lie. He got a ratchet.

He just don't get. I find him, a lot of times, he's starting an offense, so it's hard for him to catch that second swing rotation to be on the right side so but I think he got a cannon though honestly I just don't think he's in that position a lot but again like for me the hardest part about it is when you playing in this

league and it's a three point shooting league right now like even I watched the Boston game they shot 53 threes shoot 53 threes in the NBA game, and it's only like 80, 90 possessions. That's a lot of... Well, it used to be.

Basically, every other possession... It was a point. I'm at the wine bar with my homie. I'm like, bro, this is the last eight possessions with all threes. So it's like, if you can't... Again, like you said, if you don't have, if you can't, again, like you said, if you can't match that shooting,

the team's going to pull away, especially if you can't create stops. So for me, a lot of those times, like, especially over the last couple of years, I try to look at, like, the Lakers, like, what's your identity? Like, what's the identity of the team? Is it a scrappy team?

Is it a front-running team? Is you an underdog team? it a a front running team is your underdog team like what type of team are y'all because that that if you can under like underline that because i knew like for sure for us in cleveland like we was an underdog team but coming out of third quarters you i knew for sure coming out of third quarter the team was going to make a six to eight or run coming out the doors we We just started off slow. That's just the way it was. No matter how good we were at times, that's just the way it is. But we was underdogs.

So everybody in that system, in that situation, we already looked at it like, no, we're already underneath, so we're going to come back anyway. But this team, I'm looking at it like, what's going to be the like, right now, even the guys coming off the bench, who's that guy that was on another team that's coming to this team and be like, ooh,

like a Lou Will, or like a, even a Nick Young, or like, who's that guy coming off the bench? And I'm like, hey man, we got a game plan around him, like, watch out for this dude doing this, like, hey, man, we got a game plan around him. Like, watch out for this dude doing this. Like, there's nobody. Right.

The Lakers really, not since Malik Monk, have they had a guy that could come in and you know he can give the instant offense. They haven't had that guy. And most teams have a guy that can come in and you know he can let it go. Lakers don't have anybody. The Lakers bench haven't improved because that's pretty much the same players they had last year, and their bench was suspect.

So I don't understand what you thought was going to happen, even if AD's playing at his best level. LeBron is giving what LeBron does. Still, they can't play 48 minutes. So you're going to have to get – you need your bench to average, what, somewhere between 25 and 30 points? All day long. Because you got to have your main guy anywhere from,

your main bench guy, six-man guy, he's got to be anywhere from 12 to 15. And that's got to be any, like, a given night, I need at least 12 to 15. I can't know how you're going three and, you know, because at this rate you the third dude like and like to me it doesn't make sense because I was I think

D'Lo has the game he has the caliber of game like to fit as the third guy but I don't understand why it's not what happened to it? What's happened to it? I don't know I'm not gonna lie bro like it's not. What happened to it? What happened to it? Sweet. I don't know. I'm not going to lie,

bro. Like it's hard to play next to Brown. It is. It's hard to play. When you got like, it's different when you go from a situation like, and don't knock to him as a person or as a player, but like,

well, it's different when you go from a situation where you in Minnesota and nobody has any expectations. And then you go from a situation to where you were in Minnesota and nobody has any expectations. And then you go from a situation to where you were back in the show and you got those guys and they just want a chip in the bubble.

Like, granted, it was a couple years ago, however you want to count it, discount it, whatever, a chip is a chip. So when you're playing for the Lakers for one, and you got Bron next to you, that's a lot of pressure. Because the expectations are both ends. You know what the Lakers represent,

and you know every time LeBron touches the court, the expectation of him is to be in the finals because that's the standard that he set. And that's what I tell people. It's easy. Hey, you playing when nobody gives a damn. If you win by 25 or you lose by 25 versus you going and the stadium is sold out, road or home, it's a sellout. That's a different pressure.

And the expectations, a lot of times, Swish, and that's just what I tell people, a lot of times some of the greatest killer of a player's career is expectations. Because not only the expectation that the player have for themselves is that the expectation that you have when you go to an organization and the expectations are to win. And they don't accept they don't accept excuses or why you didn't win. They don't care. They just want you to win. And you in L.A., L.A., Boston have a different standard because they are the gold standard. The same thing with the Warriors. Now, the Warriors have built excuse me. The Warriors have built themselves into that model over the gold standard. Same thing with the Warriors now. The Warriors have built themselves

into that model over the last decade. But we know what the Celtics represent. We know what the Lakers represent from the 60s to the 70s to the 80s. Even the Heat were roused. You know what you're getting. You know what you're getting. You know when you're walking through this door

what you're getting yourself into. Right. And so I can just imagine, and that's what I play with a great player. Yeah, they make the game easier, but they put a lot of pressure on your ass because they expect you to catch everything that they throw in your vicinity. They expect

you to be where you're supposed to be. They don't want to hear, John didn't want to hear nothing about no excuses. The guy got a good jam on me. I stumbled down. I slipped. He didn't want to hear none of that. Because guess what? While you out there horse jacking around, the guy tried to hit me in the back of my head.

Trying to take my head off. That's the same thing with LeBron. LeBron's like, bro, I'm closer to the end than the beginning. See, the problem is that as LeBron has gotten older, they don't compare LeBron to anything else

but a younger LeBron. You can't. And see, the expectations haven't changed for him. They expect LeBron, because once he went to all those finals switch, they expect that to be, that's the expectation every year, no matter who he's playing for,

no matter who's playing around. 100%. And trust me, as a player, as you feel that, like I knew for sure when we was in the finals, like this is your seventh in a row, this is your eighth in a row, this is your ninth in a row.

Like, bro, how many, like, damn. And I got to make sure you win this joint. Because at the end of the day, like regardless of the situation, like when we won don't get me wrong we won but when they start when they show clips in 20 years they're gonna show my homie like this is he came home and they're gonna show him and they're gonna show me over here like yeah but they like it ain't about me dog this is this is like this i knew

that going in. Like, this is bigger than me. So, like, for the situation, it's like I look at it very, very different now. And I hope, like, I wish I could talk to somebody like a Cam Reddish because, like, bro, you got an opportunity to really, especially when they playing people like this, dog. Like, bro, if you could come off the bench and go out there and just average 15 to 16 off the bench, be consistent with it. Take your shots.

If they don't go in, they don't go in. But you got to take those same shots next game. That's the biggest problem, I think, with the Lakers right now. It's like when you see dudes miss, they feel that monkey on their jacket and they're like, let me pump fake. One dribble, two dribble probe kick it out like nah bro if I'm open I'm open I'm shooting that

ain't nobody telling me different but you gotta have confidence when you shoot it as you can see Ocho is joining us now Ocho you got us? the man moving around now I think he might be muted. Twitch, earlier today, Chandler Parsons said,

when the Lakers lose, it's not going to be 40-year-old man's fault. It's Anthony Davis, not LeBron James. It's on Anthony Davis, not LeBron. What do you make of that? For me, it's just availability. Anthony Davis, not LeBron. What do you make of that? For me, it's just the availability of Anthony Davis over the course of the years. I think people are getting fed up

with AD and him being available, especially at his age. And then seeing a person like LeBron at his age and being always available. But I think one thing that people don't understand

about, you know, special specimens. Like, I look at Braun, you, Ocho, y'all are different specimens than everybody else. Like, I got a homeboy,

like, we used to, we played together in Denver and we lived down the street from each other we walk we work out we do all of that I can still go to Burger King after that I can go to McDonald's after that he gotta go get a salad cause that is just gonna transform different but within that with

respect to AD his body ain't built for this not in the sense of being available the way other people built for this. Not in the sense of being available the way other people needs him to be available. His body is built for what he's doing right now. Listen, bro, you got to sit down.

And same with Joel Embiid. Don't get me wrong. I understand some of the older guys, you know, Charles Barkley or Patrick Ewing, dudes who play 82 games every game and was those guys in that time. But at the same time, you know, we're not working with that. We're not working with the same steel, titanium, like this is a different, it's a totally different metal.

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a guy go three or four innings because they don't want the guy to see the batters to see them the third time through the lineup. So you got middle relief. You got, you know, you got a lefty-lefty matchup. You got righty-righty matchup. You got middle relief. You got a setup man, and then you got a closer.

So the baseball players used to, you know, the pitchers used to pitch every fifth day. To me, that's more strategic. But that's not necessarily availability. Or you guys, it was thought of as a badge of honor

for you to play 82 games. Guys don't give a damn about no 82 games. They ain't thinking about that. They don't care about that at all. When we played, I mean, defensive line, but it games. No, no, no. They ain't thinking about that. They don't care about that at all. At all. When we played, I mean, defensive line, but it wasn't no, oh, you're playing 50 snaps and then somebody's going to play 30. You played until you couldn't go anymore.

And then you came out when you got tired. It wasn't no, okay, today you're going to play 40 or the 65 plays. No, you're going to play until you get tired. So if we ran 70 plays, basically you're going to be out there 60 of them. I ain't going to lie, like load management and all that, we didn't know nothing about that

until Pop started doing that with Tim and them. And that was still like, and that was like 2010, 2011, somewhere in that range. And it was like, bro, when I came in at 0-4, you try to play 82 games

and you try to play 38, 40 minutes a game. Are you kidding? Low management. What you mean? I don't care if it's the worst team. I'm trying to go get 35 on the worst team. I'm trying to go get 35 on the best team. It's just, that's the competitive juices that you put.

I grew up, couldn't wait to get to this level. I dreamt about this forever, to go sit down and nothing is wrong with me, or just be like, oh, nah, you gotta, you know, you play 35 minutes a night, so you gotta chill tonight, and then

the day after tomorrow, you're gonna go back out and play 35. Like, I can't even fathomably think of that in a game. There's no way. I got to play today, tomorrow, take a day off. The next day we playing, we playing. Ocho, you got us?

Yeah, you hear me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's up, baby? I just landed. I landed, came straight to the hotel and got here as fast as I could, baby. J.R., what's up. What's up, baby? I just landed. I landed, came straight to the hotel, and got here as fast as I could, baby. J.R., what's up? What's happening, man? Now, throw something on the floor for me, baby. I'm going to pick it up, man.

We got you. We've been waiting on you. KD had high praise for Ja today, saying he's the most athletic person I've seen. Swish, do you agree? Do you agree? Is Ja the most athletic player that you've seen? Basketish, do you agree? Is John the Mavs the most athletic player that you've seen? Basketball player? No.

Yeah. Nah. You like Russ? You like D. Rose? The most athletic? I mean, D. Rose in his heyday? Oh my God. But to me, honestly, the most athletic, I gotta go Russ bro at 6'5

long arms wiry strength like explosiveness intensity I gotta go Russ man having I never saw Russ at his prime

I only saw Russ a couple years ago with the Lakers. But I saw Ja, and I've seen Ja on several occasions. The way that, and he a fan, but if you look at his waistline, his legs really don't match his body because he's really fan frame up top, but he got some legs on him. He built kind of like a wide receiver, Ocho. You know, he not wiry. He got some size to it from waist down.

And the way he can elevate and hang in the air and contort his body. Yeah. Ooh-wee! I haven't had the pleasure, the opportunity to watch Ja up close. I did see D. Rose up close. I've seen Russell Westbrook up close.

But watching from TV, obviously TV does give you really no justice until you see a player of that magnitude play up close. But it is explosive. And Ja Morant looks from TV, I can imagine it looks that much more explosive in person so at some point at some point i got to watch him play in person yes when when it comes to players that are very explosive that's that's your top three right there d rose yeah obviously

um russ russ yeah westbrook i'm trying to think who else played that intensity. They played like they angry. It reminded me of Steve Smith. You know how Steve Smith – Yeah, Smith, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like somebody did something to him. But who pissed you off?

They just played a game angry as hell. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, D. Rose was that point guard that could you don't normally, Swish you know this you don't normally have point guards that play above the rim Russ played above the rim Ja plays above the rim

D Rose could play above the rim most of the time the point guards they play below the rim now Kevin Johnson was unique because Kevin Johnson could play above the rim so it was a rarity when you see it. But Ja consistently is a...

He's one of those guys and those guys do a lot of damage in the paint. Because if you look at Ja at the end of the year, you look at Russ when he was in his prime. You look at D. Rose in his prime. Look at the point paint. So you have to be a guy to elevate in order to be able to get your shot off over those trees.

Because if you you know, John Stockton was playing in the paint. You know, J.K. guys, those guys like that. Now Magic was different, but Tony Parker was the only one. Tony Parker was the only one. Yes, he was the only ground-based

point guard that lived in the paint. Oh, we can't stop it. That shit used to piss me off so bad, dog. And they kept your ass in the pick and roll. You got him and Tim in the pick and roll. Then you got the other big white boy. My new team in the pick and roll. The pick and roll, dribble drive, dribble handoff.

I'm like, damn. Do y'all run any other offense other than pick and roll? Dribble out, come back. Oh, Scott, you can lay up. Oh, my God. That should give me nightmares, man. Pop used to kill us. Pop used to kill us.

Steph Curry scores 27. The lead to Warriors passed the Celtics, 118-112. Steph Curry, 27. Buddy Hill, 16. And the Warriors won their fifth straight game. Jason Tatum led Boston with 32. Derek White had 26-6 rebounds. And JB did not play.

Everybody wanted this to be a revenge game for Jason Tatum, considering what transpired at the Paris Olympics, which he didn't get. There were some DMPs. And I remember telling, oh, Charlie, hold on. At the end of the day, that man is the only guy that's on this thing that's been a three-time first-team All-NBA player.

He's the only one that has three consecutive first-team All-NBA players. He's an all-star, and he's the reigning... And he's the champion. And you mean to tell me... You couldn't find... No, no, no. I'm saying... In the past three years, he's the only one that's been a, though. You couldn't find... LeBron, LeBron. No, no, no, I'm saying... Oh, okay. In the past three years,

he's the only one that's been a three-time... No, no. Well, obviously, LeBron went like 12, 13 years in a row. But when you look at it, Swish, you mean to tell me a man as credentialed as that with no injuries, you can't find no minutes in the game for him?

I'm talking about not none, zero. Hmm. I think it was personal. I think it's psychological gain. I think it's personal, but it's not personal. It's a mental barrier that they trying to break down on you.

Messing with you. I wouldn't say how they did Gil, because Gil was a completely different player. But like, they just trying to mess with you, like trying to mess with you to mess with you. Like, because again, they know this game is going to come up. They got another game coming up in the West eventually. And then they got out there.

They, they, they fuck around, see them in the finals. The way Golden State play. Golden State play an unbelievable basketball. The way they're playing, to be honest, it wouldn't be a surprise. I mean, is it not too early? Because teams are playing this early in the season. Being able to maintain that same chemistry, that same momentum. No, it's healthy.

Late in the season. It's still an 82 season game. At that point, it's health. For a team like a Golden State, they got that pedigree. Their style ain't going to change. The style of the play ain't going to change. It's just a matter of you can stay healthy at that point

and then you can make adjustments. To me, when you talk about championship teams, that ain't going to change. But a team like Orlando, that shit can change a lot. Because that's just the makeup of the team. One dude go down,

and one dude can't. Other dude getting too much pressure, stepping up, not really used to being in that position. That's a lot of shit that can go. It can falter in that. But It's a lot of shit that can go, like, it can falter in that, but for, like, a team like the Celtics, man, I'm surprised, honestly,

in the revenge game, I'm thinking, like, okay, JB gonna sit down so JT can go off. I'm thinking JT about to go nuts. Like, don't get me wrong, 30, what are you at, 32? 32, he had a good game. He started coming alive at the end, but you can play in the river.

You were thinking a 40 piece or a 50 piece. Like 55 and up, bro. That's disrespectful, bro. You didn't play. Yeah, there were games he didn't play. In some games, he got the most money. You the number one dude and you the number one highest paid

player now. You're on the cover of 2K. You just won the chip. There's no reason for him not to be in the situation. You can't tell him he didn't necessarily fit the makeup of what we had going on. What do you mean? This is what Steve Kerr said. Warriors coach Steve

Kerr was booed at TD Garden. The crowd showed their displeasure over how he used Tatum in the Paris Olympics. Before the game, Steve Kerr said he doesn't regret his decision. We've got 12 Hall of Famers and we just committed to it. He stood on business.

We've got 12 Hall of Famers and we just committed to Wait, he said he doesn't regret? Let me finish the comment and we can respond. We've got 12 Hall of Famers and we just committed to winning. And we won the gold medal. I don't give it a whole lot of thought other than I didn't enjoy not playing

Jason against Serbia. Not playing Joel against South Sudan. Those are not fun decisions. But our guys are all amazing and committed to each other and committed to winning the gold medal. Yeah, but not playing Joel against South Sudan made more sense than not playing JT against

Serbia. Like, no disrespect to Devin Booker, but when I look at Devin Booker and I look at Jason Tatum, like ain't he three inches taller than him? But see, I think let me try

to play devil's advocate. Jason Tatum's like, you remember when they had the thing and they asked who wants to play and Jason Tatum said, hey, I'll go. I'll play. I don't care if I don't get no shots. I'll just play defense. So he was like, oh, look, I ain't got no ego. Hey, we got

Ron, we got Katie, we got Steph. This is the last one they're going to. It's about them. Whatever y'all need from me. Y'all need me to guard on the perimeter? I got you. Ant-Man, y'all need me to guard on the perimeter? I got you. Well, hell, hey, JT, check this out. We got three big guns.

This is their last soiree. You down to be guard on the perimeter? You good to be guard on the perimeter if you don't score but six points? I just don't know how. I just don't know how. That's Jason Tatum. That's Jason Mofo Tatum. That's Jason mofo Tatum. And you be the tell me you can't get three,

four minutes. I came off the bench on the redeem team. Yes. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, you got to find time for Jason Tatum, bro. I don't get it.

I agree. Oh, I said, I said, you know, Olympics is going on. It got to find time for Jason Tatum, bro. I don't get it. I agree. I said it. I said it when the Olympics was going on. It got to be something internal. It got to be something personal because there's no reason someone like Jason Tatum, who just coming off winning the chip,

is coming off the bench, let alone not getting any minutes. Something isn't right. Even if you do have 12 Hall of Famers. Because if you think of to which you remember he was like the second best player in the previous Olympics

behind KVB. So how you going from being the second best player to not playing in a game or two and playing Liberty Minutes in the other? When you say it's internal, I'm starting to think maybe it was better because he didn't show

up when everybody else showed up even after right off and winning the chip because again you gotta think he came late he did come late they had a chemistry with the first unit which okay cool if you got a chemistry with the first unit and you got Katie, Steph and Bron out there

I'm never gonna tell you to mess that up go ahead do that but you mean to tell me you can't find 10, 15 minutes for Jason Tatum on the second unit? Man, you got to think about how good that team is, bro. If you can't find time for Jason Tatum, right? Think about if Jalen Brown was on that team. Where was he going to play?

Yes. We'll never know. He said, look, we committed to winning. Guys said they would do whatever it took to win the gold medal. And they needed that. We needed those last two games from Steph Curry.

LeBron, the first three games, LeBron was sensational. I mean, LeBron was sensational the whole tournament, but those first three games, he was obviously out of his mind. Played well the entire tournament. I'm not surprised that he won the tournament's most valuable player, although people said Steph Curry should have won it for those last two games. I think LeB Curry should have won it for those last two games, I think LeBron should have won it

because LeBron was great from start to finish. Steph struggled the first three games. I'm not going to say he struggled, but I think LeBron just outwardly performed everybody that it wasn't even close. Like, I think he... And it's not even like, for me, it's funny because you know you know

guys go for certain things somebody going for yards somebody going for stats or something like that it's like bro just be out there hooping and he don't be going for nothing and be getting everything so I know it's hard for other people who just sit there like like because a lot of like let's just say

a lot of the knock on Steph Curry was he didn't have no finals MVPs because KD. So when it comes to legacy, shit like that matters to a lot of people. When Buddy not going for it, he's just winning it, just playing off of himself. That's got to be, like, the best feeling in the world. I can only imagine.

Because he's literally not trying to change anything about his game. He's literally making it fit to everywhere he goes. It's incredible. Hey, Unc, when you say Steph didn't have a good game early in the, like, obviously

the first, you know, with Steph being a volume shooter, the way he is, especially when you're playing with the Warriors, he's putting up shot after shot after shot after shot. Regardless, he's going to shoot. But you think about the amount of shots he took in those games, he just wasn't efficient. He wasn't taking as many shots. So it looked like he was playing bad

as opposed to not being able to get in rhythm because he was missing the few shots he was taking. That's a great point. No, he took some shots. Once we got later into the later games, when he started hitting, he was hitting. Ash, give me Steph's first three games. Because there was a couple of games he had like seven points,

he had like four points, and he took some shots. Ash, give me the first three games of Steph. But like you said, LeBron just did it so effortlessly is that he was scoring, he was rebounding. Obviously, he was in charge of the offense, and that's what he does. I mean, he's 6'9". He can handle the ball. He can score the ball.

He can get downhill. You got to get out of his way because he's going to bowl through you. He's going to find the open shooter. He had marksmen. I mean, think about it. He got Steph on one side. He got K to find the open shooter. He had marksmen. I mean, think about it. He got Steph on one side. He got KD on the other side. And then now, what you going to do?

If you don't pack the lane, he's going to drive down the lane because your guy can't stay in front of him. And when you bring the guy to help and it don't matter where you bring it from because he knows where you're coming from and he can whip the ball through the cross court. He can find him in the short court. He can find him in the short court. He can find him at the time line.

It doesn't matter. Let me ask y'all this. Would y'all agree that LeBron is probably the most all-around best player on that team? All-around? Absolutely. So if you... You ask 100 people that same question, I'm sure 100 people are going to agree with you, even if you're not a basketball fan.

And if you know the game, you know LeBron is obviously the most well-rounded player there is or there was. The reason why I ask that, so imagine having the best well-rounded player and the smartest player and the same person on that team. When you got Steph on one side, you got KD on the other side, you got AD, Bam, Devin Booker, Anthony Edwards, and you already the best at it. Like, bro, you read everything. No matter defenses, he's seen every defense, whether it was Serbia, Russia, was it South Sudan?

Like, there's no package that you about to throw at him that he's not going to capitalize on with shooters and weapons. There's no chance. In the first game, on the 28th, still played 21 minutes. He had 11 points. Next game, the 31st, he had 21 Steph played 21 minutes. He had 11 points. Next game, the 31st, he played 21 minutes. He had three points. The next game, the United States against Puerto Rico, he played 18 minutes.

He had eight points. The next game, against Brazil, he played 17 minutes and had seven points. So, again, do y'all think he was playing well the first four games? But you're not naming the most important thing in the point that I brought up. How many shots did he take? Yeah, he didn't that I brought up. How many shots did he take? Yeah, he didn't take that many shots. How many shots did he take? As from one game, he

shot really poorly from three. There were a couple of games that he shot really bad. And I think that's what, now, those last two games, he shot the ball out of his mind. And they needed, because you remember that one, two guys came out to get him and he switched

it in both of them plays KD was wanting the ball LeBron was asking for him to swing it around and he's like no I got this one that's what he put on night night yeah and that's he made the 17 points he had, three main field goals.

Ashes tried to get me the field goal attempts and made it each. But, look, it's kind of like an all-star game, Switch. You got the best players. Everybody can't get, everybody ain't fit to get the same number of shots that they normally get if they was on their own team. Ain't enough shots to go around. You gotta be efficient at that point.

Yeah. So, you know, LeBron normally takes 17 shots. KD normally takes 17 shots. Steph takes 17 shots. Well, damn. You you got eight you got nine we're gonna live with your 11 to whoever rolling uh against serbia the first game when he had he was uh four of eight the next game he was one of nine the next game he was three of eight

the quarterfinals against brazil he was two of three. And then he went 12 of 19. He went eight of 13. See, he told you. He didn't even shoot. The first three games, we had low points. He didn't even shoot over nine shots. I'm about to say,

and three of eight isn't bad. It's just that it's Steph that makes it bad. Well, he was three of seven from three in the first game. 0 of 6, 2 of 6, 0 of 1,

9 of 14, 8 of 12. He got his rhythm. He got that rhythm in the semifinals against Serbia. Because remember, at of six, zero of one, nine of fourteen, eight of twelve. He got his rhythm. He got that rhythm in the semifinals against Serbia because remember at one point, they were down by like double, they were down like 18, 19 points. So he had to catch fire

or they were going home. It's really that simple. If he doesn't catch fire and once he got it going, now all of a sudden they turned up the defensive intensity. And, man, Book diving, making tough on the pass lane. Even KD, you saw KD sit in the chair. Hey, them boys ain't want to lose.

They like, oh, hell no. We ain't finna lose this. We ain't going out like this. It's a different kind of pressure when you got to come home and people talking that, you know what I mean? Oh, my goodness. Because this ain't like a year's past where we didn't send out this.

We sent Steph. We sent Bron. We sent KD. We sent Jason Tatum. We sent Joy. We sent our generation's Mike, Larry, and Magic. Yes. Yes. Yes.

And you come home with something other than gold? See, and the thing is, you don't win silver. You lose gold. Hmm. So that's what that is. And think about it. The game is like the Chinese losing table tennis. They created the game.

You can't. No, no, no, no, bro. No, hell no. You can't. Basketball? That'll be like us. We going to. They brought NFL football.

Let's just say they brought tackle football to the Olympics. And we never. And we didn't win the gold. I wish I wouldn't. I promise. I wish I wouldn't. promise. I wish I would. Oh, my God. How does that go?

Look, Ojo, a game that we created here in the States. Yeah, that's going to look bad. That's going to look bad. Even though the European teams, they've gotten competitively better tremendously. It's a lot of them that are playing in NBA now. For us to go up there and lose and lose when we send our best. Yes. They would never. Everybody on the team is an all-star.

But here's the thing, Swish, and people are like, well, and the world is catching up because they have a lot more players from Serbia and Slovenia and all these places, but everybody on the American team is in the NBA. Not every Serbian is in the NBA. Not every Slovenian, not every Brazilian, not in the NBA. Not every Sablinian, not every

Brazilian, not all the other the French, the Greek, whomever. All of those players that's on that team aren't in the NBA. Every last one of those guys that was on the NBA in the Olympics, guess where they play? There's a few of those dudes on the other team who got regular jobs.

They masons at the crib. They cutting off road work or something at the crib. Nah, dog. Everybody on the USA team, not only was they playing in the NBA, they an all-star. All-star. All-NBA player. If you lose that, could you imagine?

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In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask Attorney General...

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or wherever you get your podcasts. In Katie's three years with Golden State, they won back-to-back titles, which could have been a three-peat had he not been for KD's injury. When asked who's the best shooter with the game on the line, Lou Williams picked KD over Steph as the best clutch shooter. He's got everything. He's got a deep, deep Santa bag.

Swish, you agree? Steph over KD? I think, yeah. I mean. You know, he picked KD. I think, yeah. I mean. You know, he picked KD over Steph. I'm asking you, do you agree with Lou Will or do you say Steph is the best clutch shooter with the game on the line? I mean, between the two.

Or is there somebody else you would take? Between the two, I would have to go Steph. To me, I've seen Steph hit more go-ahead buckets and bigger buckets. Yeah. That one he hit against OKC on that Saturday night from about 40. He brought them back from that. They was down 3-1.

Yeah. Well, that was, and plus Clay, that was also the night that Clay had 11 made threes in that playoff game but with steph here that's i'm like and you can see him like i was like i know damn well this man ain't finna line this thing up and i've been down he lined it right up and that's what uh what you call a mic breeze i ain't gonna lie bro he the buddy he's cold uh i i used to hate him i ain't gonna lie, bro. He, buddy, he's cold.

I, I used to hate him. I ain't gonna lie. Him and, him and Klay. I used to, I used to hate him. I,

and I was cool with him at one point. We played golf together when the CP wetting together. We had a good old time, everything. And then out of nowhere, we get in this situation

where we playing against each other in the finals consistent. I'm like, man, we get in this situation where we're playing against each other in the finals consistently. I'm like, man, I hate this little dude. And I know he hated me at the time, for sure. But I tell you, you can't do nothing but tip your hat. At the end of the day, it's competition. But damn, that motherfucker

good, dog. And the thing, but Switch, you know this as being a shooter, to run as much as he's running and still have the capacity, the cardio capacity to put that shot up and

to go from one side to the other and the one side to the other. I mean, Reggie Miller ran our picks, but damn, Steph running two, three, four miles, it seemed like a damn game and still have the ability to catch and fire and shoot with the consistency and the accuracy

and the distance in which he's shooting it from. I think to a lot to the credit that you was just giving one of our other dudes built like a wide receiver. Steph is actually one of the strongest guards I've ever played against. He's not, he ain't frail.

Like he's not frail. He's very strong. He can, he's throwing people off. Like he can get to where he got to get to. And he has enough strength to get, get it there. But it's like, you look at it and it's just like, oh, he flopping or he's doing this. Just, just cause off of the way the game is quote unquote called and the way it's just like, oh, he's flopping or he's doing this. Just off of the way the game is, quote-unquote, called and the way it's played now. But dude is strong as hell.

I'm not going to lie. Like, he's definitely – you got to give him credit on the miles and being able to continuously run and move and stuff like that. But he's strong as hell, man. So when you coming off those screens, you got strong hands. He ain't thinking about much. But all I got to do is see where the target is at.

Man. It's been reported Jason Tatum avoids Steve Curran instantly walks off the court after the loss. You think they'll ever be cool, Swish? Hell no. I mean, I think so. I think they will just because it's like it's not really that

it ain't that serious but at the end of the day to me it's like why do that now like you already you already made it as like nah it ain't that big of a deal I'm gonna sacrifice for the team we won gold I'm happy da da da da da but then you wanna make a scene during the year you just walk off

like to me you shake the man's hand. Dog, you lost, you won, whatever the case may be. It wasn't no bad blood then, right? So it shouldn't be no bad blood now in the public eye. And if it was bad blood, you should have addressed it when it happened. But now you're just giving me too many different sides. Like, I don't know how to take it. I know how to take it.

I told Ochoa at the time, Ochoa told me, I said, man, that man got pride. That man done been a three-time first-team All-NBA player. He been an All-Star game MVP. Done been to all these All-Star games. He won a title. And you mean to tell me you treating that man like he the 12th or 13th man

on a regular roster? Oh, hell yeah, that man got pride. Do you think it bothers him or do you think people getting in his ear to where it should bother him? Both. I mean, I think it should bother him, but I don't really think it bother him like that.

I don't think it puts him in a position to where like he want that smoke. But here's the thing, though, Swish Swish it's almost like you know how some guys on a team and you win the ring and they don't really contribute when people go back and look when people go back and look at it

what you think they're going to say about Jason Tatum and that 2024 redeem redeem team he ain't do none you know what they gonna say, Swift? That man got two DMPs. That's Jason Tatum. That's definitely Jason Tatum, bro. That's definitely Jason Tatum.

I don't... See, to me, that's when we're like, for me, I would be upset. I would be more upset, and I would have voiced it like, I'm not happy. Brandon, we won, and I'm happy for the team, but I feel as though I shouldn't be playing in this situation. But now you're making it like, I don't mess with dudes. After you already told people you rock with dudes.

Like, that's what, like, what are you doing? Well, he said, when they asked him about it, Swish, he said it was definitely humbling. You know when a guy says something is humbling? Mm-hmm. You know he feels something humbling about it. Yeah, it's a humbling. You know when a guy says something is humbling? Mm-hmm. You know he feels some type of way about it. Yeah, it's a humbling experience. Yeah.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, if it's a humbling experience, you're like, all right. Switch, when the last time you think Jason Tatum didn't play in a game that he was healthy to play? Probably elementary. Nah, probably not in elementary, bro.

It might have been elementary when his dad probably held him out and probably like, nah, you ain't playing today because you did something wrong or something. Like, that's the only time. Yeah, it's hard for me to believe that he's ever not been the best player or the second best player on the team it's hard for me to see any other scenario switch yeah I mean

yeah I find it hard to believe that he's definitely not one or two yeah but even on that team he could be four or five yes so but I'm saying yeah but even on that team he could be 4-5 yes so but I'm saying

but I'm saying to not think about it switch this man they played what they played 40 minutes and he didn't play a single minute yeah think about it even when we didn't get a blowout we don't hey we are because there are some games hold on let me see what he's got we beat hello

I asked her to take it down but I was I was looking we beat there are some games. Hold on. Let me see what he's got. We beat, hold on. I asked her to take it down. But I was, I was looking, we beat some team like 122 to 87, 115 to 83. And you be the tell me you couldn't find.

No minutes in there for you. Well, at that point, it's disrespectful. You're not going to throw a buddy in there for a minute and a half

and shit like that. Like, you can't do that. Well, you don't, hey, you don't dump me the whole game.

So you might as well just keep on. Might as well. Yeah. Disrespect is already done. You done pooped on a man the whole game, so if you pee on his foot, it ain't that bad, switch. That's tough.

That's tough. I'll be hot. Bro, I don't know. So let me ask you this. Who would you rather be in the show? Would you rather be JB and not get picked? Yeah. Yeah.

But they had already chosen the roster before he went on this hot streak. Before he won Eastern Conference MVP and won the Labrador Award. before he won the Bill Russell Award, they'd already had a team.

Now, okay. I know what you're saying. You said when Kawhi got left out, bring JB. But it seems like, who did they bring? His teammate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ooh, yeah. Ooh. Yeah. Finally, you, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ooh, ooh. Damn. You get not only Eastern Conference MVP, you get Finals MVP. You win the chip. Your man is on the cover of 2K. He just signed for, well, both of y'all signed for the bag.

But then you don't even get picked? I don't know. I'd rather be Jason Tatum. At least I got picked. Yeah. But I'm trying to think. I thought they might, but I was like, when you look at it, okay, they got LeBron, they got KD, Jason Tatum.

Who's the other three or the four that they had on the team because Derek White was a guard, Holiday was a guard, Steph was a guard, Ant-Man was a guard so you have four guards okay you got Embiid you got AD are you two bigs did they have another big

bam so that's it right so that's seven you got ten So you got two more You got two more So you got book Yeah if you got book Yeah

And Halliburton Halliburton gotta go He gotta go He gotta go The man Hold on You gonna cut the man You already

The man that went through all that He's winning What you mean He the dude Hey dog He the dude in class project Sitting in the back Like hey yo we got an A You gonna cut the band? The band that went through all that? What you mean? He's doing a class project sitting in the back like, hey, yo, we got an A? Hey, cool. He got an A. He got an A.

He did no participation. No, I can't say he did no participation. He showed up for practice. He gave good after the practice. He gave the schemes. He brought the cardboard. You know, you got this one kid, the parent got money and they should have done it by the cardboard paper

and the marker. He got all that for sure. The NBA suspends Joel Embiid for three games for shoving Philadelphia Inquirer columnist Marcus Hayes. The altercation stemmed from a column published in October by the Inquirer. That column, written by Hayes, criticized Embiid for missing games,

but mentioned both Embiid's brother, who passed away tragically in a car accident, and Embiid's young son, who he named after his brother. The story has since been edited to remove mentions of either relative. Hayes will continue covering the Sixers following the incident. Was a three-game suspension, fair switch. What? Nah.

Hell nah. Nah. Like, at the end of the day, for real, to me, you gotta, like, you gotta draw the line somewhere. If you wanna critique me and my game, no problem.

You got all of that. You can critique me, you can talk about me, you can talk about my availability me you can talk about my availability you can talk about my money or my salary because everybody talking about it anyway you can talk about my minutes my shots all of that but you

talk about my son you talk about my my dead brother no no no that's where we draw the line dog I gotta put hands on I gotta put the paws on you dog hands and feet straight up I don't play none of that. I told you. Listen, that's part of being a

journalist, part of being an analyst. It's one thing to be able to critique, but what he did, it was in bad taste. It was in bad taste. You didn't have to go that route. There's a way to do things and get your point across without doing it that way. He did that on purpose, purposely to jig and knowing that it would catch headlines and catch

fire and it would upset him. He knew that. You knew it. But I think I use the term switch. I don't believe that's the cup of water that caused the Atlantic to flood. I believe Marcus

Hayes has been writing these articles and Joel Embiid has been fed up because what is causing is that the fans in Philly is starting to question him. And you remember, Swish, he said I've done too much for this city for the fans to be

talking this ish like they're talking. So you can tell the constant mentioning, well damn, when's Joel going to come back? Oh, he just signed a three-year deal for like $130, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's been a continuation. Yeah, his health has been an issue. We know Joel Embiid would have been the first pick in the draft had he not had that back issue. And the caveat, when you mention the Sixers all the time, I'm not saying Marcus Hayes is right,

but the caveat is always Joel Embiid's health. If they healthy, they can make a deep run. With Paul George, Maxey, but if everything is always, since Embiid has been in the league, everything is contingent on his health. I mean, that's true. Everything is contingent from the Sixers standpoint

on Joel's health. It's been like that since, even when Beners standpoint, on Joel's health. It's been like that since even when Ben was there, it was like that. But my thing is, all I've done for the city, what do you do? He put up some boys and girls clubs and something around there. What do you do? He went to not one final.

He went nowhere. What do you do? But Swish, that's what a lot of times players don't understand. Although the fans and the community are very appreciative and receptive for what you do, they want you to win a title. They'd rather for you to win a title than put up a boys and girls club. They would rather for you to build a title than give books to a library or something. Because at the end of the day, that's kind of why you're there. Although

they're very appreciative of anything that you do outside of that. I don't want people to take, misconstrue this and say what Shannon said. No. But the fans are not looking for you to come into a city and say, okay, he's going to rebuild a city. All the libraries and all the parks and the playgrounds, he's going to rebuild the city. All the libraries and all the parks

and the playgrounds, he's going to repave the blacktop. Nah, bro, bring a championship. Last time I checked, Philly is still one of the murder capitals. Like, what, you stopped violence? You stopped guns? Like, what happened? I'm trying to understand, like, all you did for who? They paid you a lot of money.

What did you do for who, what? What they did a lot for money. What did you do for who? What? They did a lot for you. Be grateful. Yes. Let's not get it twisted, bro. Like, this is where, like, for me, where I, like, I don't, I don't, I find us in this weird space to where we're entitled. So, like, bro, you're not entitled to anything. You're entitled to scrutiny just like everybody else in this game.

But you're entitled to a certain type of scrutiny. And that's where, for me, it draws a line for what the reporter said, because I don't think he deserved that. But you ain't above nothing. Well, sometimes I think

sometimes guys do things in the community and it makes them above criticism. It's not. I don't care what, I don't, hey, you see LeBron can build an I Promise school, but if you don't play well, the fans are going to be upset. And the writers are going to write stuff that's not flattering. And that's their job.

I can't look past what he built the school. He played bad, so since he built the school, I can't say anything negative. Just don't tell me you did this out of the goodness of your heart, because that's not why you did it. You did this out of credibility down the road.

I can get away with some shit. All right, cool. I can skate. No, that's not why you did it. You did it out of the goodness the road. I can get away with some shit. All right, cool. I can skate. No, that's not why you did it. You did it out of the goodness of your heart, right? So let's keep it that. Right. So you said

it was excessive. Ocho, I know you said it was excessive. I'm not surprised because you know Adam Silver and the director of punishment, Joe Dumars, what they're trying to do now. We have to have a level. I understand you might disagree with what he said, but we can't have that line crossed.

I mean, it sets a bad precedent when you look at it as far as the organization and the NBA as a whole. It doesn't look good in totality. But at the end of the day, you got to have these people, like the reporters got to answer to some people. These are people now. They got feelings. They got emotions. Just because people see people think of Swish and Ocho,

you know, we, you and I have talked about this. Just because you make a lot of money, you ain't got no feelings. Now you should be able to take everything. No matter what somebody say, somebody pay you 30, lot of money, you ain't got no feelings. Now, you should be able to take everything. No matter what somebody say, somebody pay you $30, $40, $50, $60 million, man, if somebody would pay me, it's easy for you to say that. It's easy

if a person making $25,000 or $50,000, but I tell you what, you ain't going to let your boss talk to you any kind of way. If you was making $75,000, you making $25,000, your boss, all of a sudden, you get to raise $100,000. You ain't going to let your boss talk to you any kind of way. If you was making $75,000, you make it $25,000, your boss all of a sudden you get to raise $100,000. You ain't going to let your boss talk to you.

Yes, yes. For a normal person, if you put him in a situation, yeah, you would take more getting $60 million. But would you take more and put it, frame it in your thing. You make $50,000. You make $75,000. Your boss, you get to raise to $125,000. You feel your boss? your and put it framing in your thing you make what if you make 55 you make 75 your balls you get a raise to 125 you feel your boss or somebody can say whatever they want to say to you stupid mf you stupid b they can talk to you any kind of way no sir no no no hell no you know what's funny

you know it's funny bosses and those in positions of power know who to fucking play with like that anyway yeah you know who you can get away with being slick at the mouth yeah and I guarantee you I know Embiid won't have no more issues with that reporter writing anything crazy

or nobody else no no and I think the thing is that's why you know sometimes you just say you know what else. No. No. No. No. And I think the thing is, that's why, you know, sometimes you just say, you know what?

I'm going to go ahead and go and exit stage left. Yeah. Because you're only going to A. Because, like my grandparents say, boy, if you got to always keep being the bigger man, you're hanging with

too many small people. I'm not going to keep letting you take your damn shots at me. And you keep taking the shots, keep taking the shots, and you're talking about, hey, no, that ain't a part of nothing.

Because I ain't taking no shots at nobody. And then I'm just supposed to sit there and take it. Why? Man, please, let me just go ahead. Hey. I ain't going to lie. Me and my people would have to see him. I might let one or two of them slip, but

like I said, I was very, very, very clear with how I expected. Can I treat people how I want to be treated, Ocho? I do. Yeah. If I don't rock, my thing, I don't know how you operate, but if I don't rock with somebody, it ain't no, man, I wonder if he rocked with me, man.

You know. I ain't in your face. I ain't in your circle. Hey, I'm over here. You over there. I'm going my way. I don't mention your name. Hopefully, you don't mention mine.

We cool. Now, we not cool, but we straight. No, you don't know. We cool. I'm talking about Icy. I mean, I'm Antarctica, you the South Pole. We cool.

Right, right, right. That's it. I'm just trying to figure out why people feel they got to talk. Oh, just because you could talk to somebody any kind of way. Nah, man, them just words. Okay, well, go get them words of somebody else,

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