Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: LeBron loves cookies, KD expected to be traded, Zion losing weight

Episode Date: March 1, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top NBA stories of the week. Topics include Dwayne Wade saying he knew when Lebron James was leaving the Miami Heat, after Pat Riley took his cookies… Later, Unc and Ocho discuss the potential for Phoenix Suns’ Kevin Durant to be on the trading block this offseason, New Orleans Pelicans’ Zion Williamson is the lightest weight he’s been since being drafted in 2019 and much more!03:51 - Did LeBron leave Miami over some cookies?10:30 - Kevin Durant expected to be traded17:47 - Why the Mavs moved on from Luka30:18 - Luka’s triple-double against the Mavs32:37 - Wemby’s jersey sells for $73,00037:00 - Zion Williamson losing weight(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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also, D-Wade says the first moment he thought LeBron might leave Miami is when Pat Riley took his cookies. See, Pat Riley's trying to show, I run the show. That's too much. That's way too much. You mean to tell

you mean to tell me you trying to prove a point so you take the man cookies hey you never bother a person's never bother a person's flow in which and way they travel a routine in which they like to eat

in which they like to prepare you never do that. That has nothing to do with the game of basketball. I understand trying to set a precedent. I understand control, you know, but over abusing your power. Cookies, Ocho. Come on now. You took the man cooking.

So, hey, I have a question. You think that might have been the last straw? Yes. Because, look, there are some things that LeBron wanted, like Maverick and Randy potentially traveling on the plane, having access like he had in Cleveland, so forth and so on. We know Pat Riley limited that if he didn't mix it all together. Okay, fine. Probably, but here's the thing. You knew that if he didn't mix it all together. Okay, fine.

Probably, but here's the thing. You knew that when he came in there. Because LeBron's team, LeBron's going to lay out what he expects. When he went to the Lakers, he told Magic, Randy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But we don't play. He's going to travel. Rich father.

Marriage. Okay. Do you want? I'm sure when Tom Brady went to Tampa. Marriage. Okay. Do you want. I'm sure. When Tom Brady went to Tampa. Yeah. I need. Alex.

My guy. To be here. Yeah. I need him to be able to set up. So forth and so on. Okay. You knew that. You knew that.

You get the man there. It's almost like a recruiting visit. Right. Oh yeah. You're going to start. You're going to start. Once I get your ass on campus. You're going to sign that letter of intent.

I do what the hell I want to do. Now you can't do that anymore because them guys are jumping the portal on your ass. Excuse me. They're jumping the portal on your tail, Ocho, and then you're in trouble. Right. But I don't get this. Pat Riley, I mean, there are some things that he said about he was telling Phil Jackson and Phil Jackson, he got up like LeBron wanted to stay

and then like for Thanksgiving, blah, blah, blah. And I just, but I can see now. I can see now to do that. Right. That's petty.

That's you. That's you trying to show I run the show. I mean, see, and that's unnecessary because think about lebron stan a few extra years in miami how many more rings do they get but you sacrifice that because you want to prove a point and showing that you're in a position of

power i look at you you want to over over abuse it and even now now there's stuff with jimmy butler yeah i'm not saying jimmy's right i'm not saying Pat is wrong because internally, I'm not there. But there's always an issue where there's a power struggle. It shouldn't be a power struggle. You want to do one thing. Everybody, the main thing should be the main thing. If you're part of the Miami Heat, Pat Riley's main goal should want to be winning championships and having the best team

and the best product on the court to do so. Ocho, if cookies were the issue, do you know how many cookies would be on that damn plane? Oh, I got you, yeah. Do you know? Yeah. Where do you want the cookies from? Are these gourmet cookies that

we need to go to a special shop? Or these regular chips of some type of chocolate chip that we can buy from a local grocery store? I just need to know, LeBron, what it is. Because I promise you there is not a superstar player in any sport.

Let me ask you a question. If Shohei Tani shows up and says he wants something special, they're going to have, if he says there's a Japanese cuisine that I need to have before every game, and I need to make sure when we travel, I have it, I guarantee you they're going to have it. Absolutely. If Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, if whatever superstar player,

if Shea goes to OKC, I don't know what the delicacy is in Oklahoma. I've only been there once. But I guarantee you, if Shea says, I want this on the plane, we're going to have that. I mean, little old me, I say, Mike, we want to watch the fight. Mike would have it. Mike, we won't need this on the plane. Mike would get it. You mean to tell me you took LeBron James cookies?

For what? Right. If LeBron's overweight, I say, hey, bro, you need to cut back on these. Right. When has LeBron James not been in shape? We marvel at his body. And you're 22. False.

We've done that since he was getting to the league as an 18-year-old rookie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah, yeah. There's not a time that LeBron has not been in shape. Right. But like you said, this was a power trip. Yeah. You won the battle.

You lost the war, Pat. That's unfortunate. That's unfortunate. Now we don't even have a chance to come out east. I think we, matter of fact, we still coming out to East. Go ahead. No, you're not. Y'all can't beat Boston.

Y'all can't beat Cleveland. Y'all can't beat the Knicks. What? We can't what? Beat Boston, Cleveland, or the Knicks. Not in a seven-game series. Y'all might win a game, but y'all ain't winning seven games. Y'all not winning four games.

I know. I just want to get excited. I just want to get excited. I just want to get excited. I know. We need two more pieces. And you heard how D-Wade explains it? D-Wade said he knew he was upset. So that man pushed back from the table

and he didn't play cards no more. Yeah. Yeah. Don't mess up my routine. Don't mess up a routine that I'm probably think about how long he LeBron been doing that routine of having those cookies on that flight

yes man let me get up out of here and I mean I've heard D-Wade is not the first person that I've heard LeBron crazy about chocolate chip cookies right and to do that I thought heard LeBron crazy about chocolate chip cookies. Right.

And to do that, I thought that was petty. I think it was unnecessary. But I think it was Pat Riley trying to prove a point that I run this show, and if I don't want no cookies on this plane, ain't going to be no damn cookies on this plane. Unnecessary. And LeBron says, you know what? You're right.

This show ish. Yeah. I take my show on the road. Kevin Durant is expected to be traded this offseason via report the Mavericks have shown interest in paying him

and Kyrie in AD what's KD's best landing spot Ocho hold on hold on this is going to be funny let me see if he answer I'm trying to figure out

who got the assets hell he probably played nah they played last night what in Dallas man if they could play him if they pair him with KD

Kyrie and AD damn he answer yes he probably probably saw my name and he answered on purpose man he probably watching the show listen do you think what's the chances let's say if kevin durant is able to go to dallas with kairi what's they what do you think their chances are at or at winning a chip.

You sure? A great chance. So that's the one piece of the puzzle that's missing? A great chance. I'm positive. Oh, shit. You pair KD with AD and Kyrie? How that's a two-headed monster?

Man, that's a three-headed monster, man. I just thought about that. Hold on. Hold on. Stay with me now. Why not go over there in LA? Yes. With Luke and Braun. Yes.

I don't think he wants to pair with Braun I think he wants to compete against Braun I think a lot of people are surprised that he paired with Steph normally historically transcending great players don't go pair with other ones but

and plus the Lakers don't have anything to give up they don't go pair it with other ones okay okay okay but and plus the lakers don't lakers don't have anything to give up they don't have any job compensation now had they saved that compensation what they gave up for us to get russ and gave up all those assets they would have had some assets and who knows but right i think in order for them in order for the Phoenix they gave up a lot to get KD they gave up a lot of picks, they're going to try to claw some of that thing back I think Book is the only untouchable

he was drafted there, they traded Bradley Beal is going to have to waive his no trade if he's going to go somewhere we'll see how that pans out, but KD is the piece that they can extract the most draft capital and player

for because I don't think they're moving book I mean I met the Suns owner Matt Ishma I went to the WNBA All-Star game and had an opportunity to meet with him and talk to him. He was great, but I know he wants

to win. He's spending that kind of money, Ocho. I'm trying to win. I ain't trying to win. I'm trying to win yesterday. Damn tomorrow. Yesterday. So, and KD gave me and said, look, I cost a lot to come in there in the middle of the season not have any time

to work. But I think KD wants to win a championship. And he's gone two places. Right. Two places. And it hadn't worked out well. It was not a success. Phoenix is not a success.

I thought them boys were going to be here. It would have been interesting had the situation... Well, you know, he got... First of all, when he got there, he was hurt. So he didn't play the first year, Ocho. And then Kyrie got nicked.

So Kyrie didn't play. So they're playing good. You know, they've been hardening it. You know, hardening, like, tweaking his hamstring. Kyrie steps on somebody's ankle. And that's the second year. And they got beat in the,

uh, uh, divisional round, the semifinals the next year, you know, with that COVID issue. And it just hard and gets traded. They move on from Kyrie.

Katie's like, right, y'all ain't finna leave me here by myself. I see where y'all going. Let me go elsewhere. Boom, boom. And he ends up in Phoenix. James Harden

goes to Philly. Now he's in the Clippers. Kyrie gets traded to Dallas. Kyrie wanted to go to LA, but they was ticked at Kyrie and they was not going to trade him where he wanted to go. He lands in a good spot with Luka and Dallas

and the rest is as they say, history. But Kevin Durant with the Dallas Mavericks, with AD and Kyrie, oh yeah, that's a championship. Yeah, they're going to be first or second favorites to win the championship. Oh yeah. Yeah, for sure.

They got a guy that can man the back end. Now, it all depends on how much they got to give up. But even if you got to give up, I mean, they're going to probably want all your picks for the foreseeable future, which you don't care about because you feel you're going to be picking way down.

So, that's not going to be in the lottery. Right. So, they're going to want a bunch of unprotected picks. They're going to want pick swaps. They're going to make it happen. They're going to make it happen. The fact that it's coming out, you know, this early,

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such as taste for beer and hookah, which have been a point of concern for NBA type since he was 19 year old star for the real Madrid who was entering the NBA draft. They predict his basketball demise, highlighting healthy health history that is some will will likely lead to catastrophic catastrophe in the next five years or so. Damn.

Damn. Look, he also I mean, he's 19 years old. He's been a professional since he was like 16. He's been playing. Look, it seems to be the thing now is going to the hookah bar and the hookah lounge or whatever the case is, and you smoke hookah and have a good time.

Clearly, you remember last year, he had a beer and Finley, Michael Finley, took it out of his hand. I don't know what's true. I think two things can be true. I think they were scared to pay him $345 million. I also think they were concerned about his professionalism and the way he conducted himself not only off the court, but on the court as well. Go ahead.

Wait, on the court? Luka, on the court? They got tired of all the arguing, all the moping, the pouting, and things of that nature. With the refs? Yes. To me, I would think Luka reminds me of a great player I played with. Arguing with the refs when he failed, he deserved the call, he didn't get a call, he goes back and forth with the refs.

TJ Hushmazada. He reminded me of TJ. And most of the time, nine times out of ten, TJ was right, especially when we went back and we watched film. Now, when I look at L luca all i can see on luca plays the game a certain way at a very very high level where he's top three maybe top five in the nba right now correct me if i'm wrong so you mean to tell me as good as luca is they don't want to pay him the money they want to pay him because he has an issue with beer And he has an issue with smoking hookah

Can I tell you what Other players Might be doing as well That might not display the same behavior But still getting their bag Yeah Can we Think about you

You're an NFL player You play with linemen Linebackers. They drink. They smoke. But when it comes time to performing, when it comes time to performing, what do they do when they show up on Sunday?

They do what? Get the job done. Okay, they get the job done. I think that should be the bottom line. Now, finding reasons why not to pay someone and saying, well, you smoking hookah and you drinking beer is the reason we don't feel like paying you. But the production that you do want as a player for that franchise is showing up. Yeah. Now, it's hard for me to even talk about something like this when I don't drink at all.

And I don't smoke no hookah. Now, my issue is cigars so it's hard for me to kind of interject and understand where people will come from when the main goal for me the main thing is always the main thing what are you doing once you touch the field or once you touch the court that's what i'm paying you for now what you choose to do in your own time that's on you now when it affects your plate and your production, now we got a problem. I think the thing is that they felt Luka being a leader, he should be a little bit more professional as far as, okay, don't smoke.

Like I said, this is speculation, Ocho, and I hate speculating and conjecturing. But for them to get off a player that's 25 years of age, that's a five-time All-NBA player, at this juncture of his career, he has more first-team All-NBA selection than LeBron did. And he's the quickest to 5,000 points. When LeBron James was the quickest of 1,000 all the way through 35,000 to 40,000, he was the quickest. And he's three games ahead of what LeBron was

at the 5,000-point pace. With that being said, Ocho, I think the thing is there's a combination. There's a lot of things at work here. Paying him $70 million a year until he's age 30. The habits, because guess what? Those habits, as you start to get age,

now your body starts to break down and we're on the hook. We see now all of a sudden that three-year extension for Joel Embiid at 193, it ain't looking too good, is it, Ocho? It ain't. And that's how you have to end. For me, look, I'm always going to be pro player because I always want them to get their money because the team's making money.

But as being a business owner myself, you understand there's certain things you try to protect yourself against down the road. And so, and people always like, pay, pay, pay. It's easy to say when it's somebody else's money. Imagine when you and when you feel somebody's

trying to take advantage of you, I give you like, somebody's working, and you're like, man give you like somebody's working and you let me, you're trying to overcharge me. Now I'm good. But if it was somebody else, maybe you would pay it in this situation. And there might be, there's some truth on every side.

Maybe Luca. I don't think Luca, everybody ain't going to have the work ethic as LeBron, Kobe and Jordan. Okay. Let's go ahead and clear that out there's a lot of people do things a lot of different ways there's more ways to to get to the bottom of something than just going straight to it with that being said i understand i might not agree with it but i understand the mavericks take

we got to pay this guy $70 million a year. Yeah, I got you. I got you. I understand. I understand. And now, and maybe this is what Luka needed, Ocho. Maybe he, maybe like, because I don't know if Luka realized how good he can be. Because once you start having success, you remember like when you worked out really hard that first offseason and you had that success,

you became obsessed with having that level of success. So it was nothing to get Ocho when somebody said, Ocho, come on. Nah, bro, I got to go get this work in this morning. I got to work on these ladders. I got to work on these cone drills. I got to work on this high hand-eye coordination. I got to work on these ladders. I got to work on these cone drills. I got to work on this high hand-eye coordination. I got to get that done.

Luka ain't going to never have nobody like LeBron. He ain't going to have nobody like Dwight Howard. He ain't going to have no caps on his shoulder. He going to look like that. He get in shape, he going to look like Jokic. So if y'all think he going to have caps on his shoulder like LeBron, I mean, and Dwight Howard, that's not what he is.

Right. But I do think now when you get traded, you get released, it's a wake-up call. Because you know you're feeling good, Ocho. That's why he was so hurt by Ocho. Because think about this shook the NBA. They said never have a player of this caliber been traded that didn't ask for a trade. Kareem asked for a trade.

The greats asked for trades. He didn't ask for this. You know what's funny? You gave me your perspective of being a business owner and not wanting to invest that kind of money in a player. But to me, it's still some type of red flag where I'm really not believing the reason you don't want to invest

that type of money based on the accolades that you just ran down with this young bull has been able to do in such a short amount of time. It got to be more to it than some goddamn beer and hookah.

It got to be more to the story. What they said, they called him lazy they talk about the weight issue there was such a frustration uh frequent frustration within the walls they mentioned his social habits that they have reported on taste of beer and hookah which had been a concern for nba type since he was 19 so he came into the league and you know you had but the problem is ultra they say they predict his basketball demise highlighting a history that as some see it will likely lead to uh

catastrophe in the next five years or so oh my goodness oh so this is what we know oh so this is what we know haven't played the game is what we know. Haven't played the game. Those teams, see, when players think they're doing something and the team doesn't know, that's where they run afoul at. When you got that kind of money, you tell me what Dallas Cowboy player is doing something that Jerry doesn't know about. They know everything, huh? Jerry got the police.

That's why everything everything the little foul stuff that they can handle NFL team they have FBI level security they know everything so we tell them oh we're going to do our homework we're going to read a week

you know hey hold on the funny thing you talk about Jerry we talk about all 32 teams yes all 32 teams in the offseason, right now, wherever you're at in the world,

they know what you're doing. They know who you hang around. They know who you like to go. They know what you're spending. They know everything. It's different. It is. And so, it's going to be very interesting to see ocho because

we got some guys coming up jaron jackson jr he's coming up in line he wins defensive player of the year he's eligible for super max five years 345 million we're about to find out he's not as credentialed as luca wait how much how much five years 345 which is 69 million a year fully guaranteed hey it's it's too late for me to play too late for you to play whoo ojo should have gotten to that thing a little early uh here's the problem ojo if the problem is is that let's just say for the sake of argument, none of this is true. You're sullying the man's reputation. You're sullying the man's reputation. Now, we've seen it,

but now, because we've seen him smoking hookah and drinking a beer, they kind of dodged the bullet because they got him on camera smoking hookah and drinking a beer. So it's hard to sue for defamation. Can I say something?

Who don't drink beer, huh? Outside of me. What athlete doesn't? What athlete doesn't drink alcohol? Outside of me. What athlete doesn't smoke hookah? Hookah weed? I don't know. I mean, come on now. What are we talking about? I understand. I understand

both sides I got you but I'm just saying using that as and then lazy and social issues and like what does that have to do

with playing again from the business side of things I understand what are you doing for me every year

you tell me all the time in the NFL players every year they got to update their resume and every year Luca D got to update their resume. And every year, you update that resume.

Man. I'm surprised they got to this. A lot of people say they would have just given them the money. Boy, whoo. It's going to be interesting. I think moving forward, Ocho, we need to pay attention to this

because if Luka don't get the Supermax, who the hell going to get it? Ja. Who? Anthony Edwards. Shea. Shea, Shea can get,

I think Shea can get 290. That ain't, that ain't enough. I think, I think he can get, I think Shea can get 290. That ain't enough. I think he can get 5 for 290. I think. That ain't enough. Right at 60 a year. I have to check my math. I know Jaron Jackson is in line for that.

Jaron Jackson Jr. his father is a senior. So it's going to be very interesting to see coming down the pipe. I don't know how much of the game that you watch, but I could tell Luka was a little nervous. Obviously, he wanted to have a big game. And that's what you want to do. When you play your former team, Ocho, you don't need to prove them wrong. You need to prove you're right because you know what you can do.

And Luka, with the exception of a game, what, the game against the Nuggets, he's kind of struggling with his shot. It's going to take him a while to get his legs, to get in the field of things. He's learning a new offense. Learning, obviously, never played with a guy like LeBron, but this is going to prolong LeBron's career.

I can see LeBron playing another two, three seasons after getting Luka. But watching Luka last nightBron's career. I can see LeBron playing another two, three seasons after getting Luka. But watching Luka last night, he's special. Everybody knows it. He can pass out of the double team. You see they did a great job. He got going early, and then they trapped him, doubled him, blitzed him, wanted to get the ball

out of his hands, and he made the right plays more times than not. But LeBron came to the rescue in the fourth quarter with 16 points, 16 huge points, made every right play, and it was a good win for the Lakers. Don't take too much silence because they were playing without Anthony Davis, playing without Lively, and they were also playing without Daniel Gafford. But I like the Mavericks.

I think the Mavericks, once they get Luka, excuse me, once they get A.D. back healthy with Kyrie, and the way Kyrie can play off the pick and roll, the way AD can play in the pick and roll, mid-range, score at all three levels, I think the Mavericks got a good team. But I was really impressed with the Lakers and how they were able to finish this game off

even though the Mavs were underhanded. Undermanned. Ocho, let that go. I'm focused. We done moved on with that. Hey, listen, I'm locked in. I'm locked in, huh? I see it. I'm locked in.

I see it. I'm thinking about it. In your head. I'm thinking about it. I can't let nobody trick me on my spot. Yeah. Hey. Hey, can I tell you something?

You know, I heard somebody talk about, like, if, uh, if, uh, if you need a job, you ain't hiring no more. You know, I just got a new job. Yep. Can I tell you? I'm going to see you on Monday. You got to do it. Where you working at? Yeah.

Thank you. I appreciate that. In fact hey guess what else guess what else i'm gonna see you on tuesday morning too yo joe the jersey victor victor when binyama gave a child sales for 73 000 the jersey will be gifted a fan after the december game sold for 73 000 days after the spur star season ended the decision to sell the jersey so quickly raised the possibility that the child's parents had planned to sell the jersey all alone. Golden declined to go into specifics of the seller or how long the company had been in discussion to sell the item. Despite the injury news, his memorabilia market has been impacted by the short term a rookie card of his sold for 860 thousand one hundred dollars a record price saturday night on golden in addition to the

jersey ocho you like this i mean listen i'm sure it was a fan that like you said before when we talked about this a fan that was sitting courtside in order to sit courtside, I'm sure the family, obviously you have to have some kind of, some kind of good money. You got to have some kind of good money, but obviously a huge spike in chunk of cash like that, you know, not knowing their financial status,

I'm assuming they felt that was more, more important or more valuable than actually having the Jersey itself. But you know, it just does not guys are not going to want to get fed. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. more valuable than actually having the jersey itself. But you know what this does? Now guys are not going to want to get banned. Yeah, you're right. Because I'm going to look up and I'm going to see it on Google. I'm going to see it on one of these

options sites. If that's the case, hell, I'll keep it myself and sell it. That's what I hate. Look, like you said, I don't know the financial decision of this situation, but it's hard for me to believe that that young man could be sitting courtside and they need their heart up for money. Because like you said, courtside isn't cheap.

Yeah, you're right. Wait, wait, wait. It depends on the team now. Now, Lakers courtside seats? That was at the Lakers. Lakers courtside seats? That's expensive. I don't even want to know the number. Lakers, probably

the Knicks. I think the Knicks would probably be expensive also. So, I mean, San Antonio, what do you think? No, I think what would they have to ask? Were they at the Lakers game or were they in San Antonio? I think they were at the Lakers. Well, hey, listen.

Lakers court-sized seats, man, that's a down payment for a car, man. Oh, I can imagine what those tickets went for at Luka's first home game. Crazy, huh? Can you imagine what those went for? Let alone the playoffs. Don't even tell me.

Man, please. Oh, Joe. 29. It was a Nets game? Nets. They were at the Nets. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company,

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since the team drafted him in 2019. He's listed at 284. Huh? How much did you say he weighed? 264. Okay, that's good weight. Yeah, that's good weight. He's listed at 284. Huh? How much did you say he weighed? 264. Okay, that's good weight. Yeah, that's good weight. He's listed at 284 on NBA.com, meaning he's dropped a significant amount of weight since the start of the season. He signed a five-year, $197 million extension that he signed with New Orleans in 2020. Comes with a handful of stipulations to protect the team from injury struggles or failure to maintain his weight.

One such condition says that Zion must keep his combined weight and body fat percentage below 295 and guarantee 20% or to guarantee 20% of his salary for the next season. So let us see, kiddo, Joe. So they got weight incentives on the salary? Yeah, they got weight clauses. You want their bread? Right. Hey, I kind of like that.

I kind of like that. Because if you have someone that's young, if you have someone that's young and he's struggling, you understand his dynamic and how great he is when he's on the court. He hasn't been on the court. Who has a problem with his weight. Who has a problem with injuries because of the when he's on the court. He hasn't been on the court. Who has a problem with his weight. Who has a problem with injuries because of the weight he's carrying.

Who has bunnies. You know, bunnies is hot, so I'm just trying to make sure you know what it is. Who has bunnies the way he is and having to bounce and pound the way he does. He's better suited at a much smaller weight than what he carries. So I like the clause that they have in this contract forcing him to stay under. You want this money? Young fella, I'm giving you an incentive to keep your weight down to where we feel you can play your best. I like it.

I can motivate you by fear. I can motivate you with money. But the only thing that's sustainable is self-motivation. Because you'll get so much, you'll get enough money, then it won't move you. I can scare you enough and then there's just idle threats.

At the end of the day, if you're not a self-motivated person, there's no amount of money. Because eventually, you are what you repeatedly do. Therefore, it's not a singular act. It's a habit. So all that stuff, there's a reason why.

Go look at the greats. Forget the super ultra rich, but go look at the greats. LeBron James plays like he ain't got a dime. Michael Jordan played like he didn't have a dime. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, all those greats. Ray Lewis, Michael Strahan, Reggie White. All the greats. Because, see, it's not the money that's motivating them.

It's self that's motivating them. I can tell you, I'm going to fine you, Ocho. If you don't come, eventually, you become desensitized to being fined. You become desensitized. At what point? How much money do I need? I just hope he gets it. So you know what?

Damn it. Enough of this. This is embarrassing. I'm a professional athlete. And these people got to put clauses in my contract. I'm a professional athlete and these people got to put clauses in my contract. I'm making 200 million and they got to incentivize it

just so I can get it. Let that sink in. Yeah, I'm letting it sink. But listen, I'm trying to be a sponge right here, right? And you said some earlier, now I didn't want to cut you off because you was preaching,

but I need you to run that back. Now you say you are what you repeatedly what? You are what you repeatedly do. Therefore, it's not a singular act. It's a habit. Stay right there. Stay with me now. Because I'm going to use that.

I'm going to use that on the kids. The next time they get out of line. I'm going to use that on the kids. I see. Matter of fact, I'm going to use that. I'm going to use that in preaching to my daughter. I'm going to college station. University of Kentucky

is running a college station down in Texas A&M. My daughter's running so I'm going to talk to her before the track meet. I'm going to tell her. I'm going to start off with that. You are what you repeatedly do. Therefore, it's not a singular act. It's a habit.

I need to make sure. Baby, I know you're probably watching. So you be ready for this speech, man. Got me getting on this plane. I need to see you. I need you to PR something. You better bring it home. But money,

the money's gonna come. The money's gonna come. The money is going to come. You think Michael Jordan thought he was going? Yeah. If somebody, if somebody would have told Michael Jordan, Michael, this is what you're going to be.

Michael didn't do this because of money. Oh no. Oh no. Oh no. But he played as if he was flat ass broke. Everything that you want, all you have to do is go out there. Look, the fans will appreciate a guy that gives it everything that you want, all you have to do is go out there. Look,

the fans will appreciate a guy that gives it everything that he has, but that's not supremely talented, but they know that he's giving he or she is giving it everything they have as opposed to somebody they know that's immensely talented. And they look at it like, man, he bull jiving all that to, man, he bull-jobbing. All that. To waste a gift. To waste a gift, Ocho.

You demean yourself. You cheat yourself. I just, I hope this is the one time in 2025 that Zion, god dang it, enough is enough. Something got to click on.

Let me go on and be what I'm supposed to be. An All-NBA, a perennial All-Star. That's what he should be, a perennial. Not just once and then three years later, another. A perennial All-NBA. A perennial All-Star. Every year, he has that kind of ability. Speaking of ability, speaking of what he should have been

outside of being a perennial All-Star, was he not supposed to be next in line to be the face of the NBA? Yes. Or am I tripping? Yeah, he had that LeBron. LeBron had that buzz coming around out of college. And, you know, Wimby. Now it's Wimby.

Right. He ain't waiting. I know there's only one Michael Jordan, but look at the greats. You think Bird played for money? Just take the greats. Just take the greats. You think Bird played for money? Look at, just take the greats. Just take the greats, attach any name to it. The money's going to come.

Because they look at you and see. The NBA players, the NFL players, Shohei, Tani, Mookie, Beth, whatever the case may be. Ocho? Yeah. Go ahead. It's really simple. I played like I was broke

because any amount of money that I was getting was 15 times what I was making. And you mean to tell, hold on, Ocho, you mean to tell me you're going to pay me money for something I've done for free

for 17 years and then make a dime. Now you want to pay me to do it? Come on, man. Come on. Pop Warner, I ain't get a dime. JB, I ain't get a dime. Now you want to pay me to do it? Come on, man. Come on. Pop Warner, I ain't get a dime. JB, I ain't get a dime. High school, I ain't get a dime.

College, I ain't get a dime. Now I get to this level, and y'all going to pay me for something I did for free. Man, please. And speaking of that, I like the fact that you just mentioned this, right? I like that you said, Pee-wee, you didn't get paid. No. Junior high, you didn't get paid. No.

College, you didn't get paid. Well, never mind. That's a whole other story anyway about college, but we're going to get back to that. But obviously, make it to the NFL. Obviously, now you're paying me to play a game that I played as a child having fun and entertaining and you mean to tell me now I'm going to get to the rules of the NFL and how they had how they like to control you know the the individualism so now you mean to tell me when I get to the NFL and I'm playing the game the way I played it all my life and now I make it to the highest level with the one percenters now you're

telling me how the game should be played now that I made it. So why would I change, huh? And this goes back to you as well, because you used to get on me too, about my style of playing and the way I play the game. What's the first thing they take from us? What's the first thing they take from us when they want to keep us alive? Money. Why do they take our money? Because the NFL or any entity,

and their only way to control the players or the people that work for them is by taking the money because that's what they think they value most. But like you just said, you just said it, the money can always come, which is why I never change, y'all.

I never change. I ain't played football in 13, 14 years. You know, because of you and some other entities that have afforded me the opportunity, hell, I'm making more money now, and I ain't caught a touchdown in years. That's how it should be. Come on now.

But these guys, I mean, I don't understand. Bro, I mean, think about the money that you're making. These guys are making $40, $50, $60, $70 million. That's on the court. Now they're making another $10, $15, $20 off the court. So you're making $100 million. And all you got to do is say, you know what? I got to have my weight in between this and this.

All I got to do is just play hard. You're not going to score 30 a night, but just play hard. Some guys just can't even give you that consistent effort. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators, shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core.

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