Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Lebron scores 50k points, Lamont Roach joins the show, & do KD and Bud have beef?

Episode Date: March 6, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to LeBron scoring 50k points, KD & Bud might have an issue. Also Lamont Roach joins the show to discuss his epic fight against Tank this past Saturday and much more!05:30 - Show start08:30 - Lebron James scores 50,000 points17:40 - Jeanie Buss says Anthony Davis wasn’t happy25:33 - Lamont Roach Jr. joins58:30 - Kevin Durant and Bud incident (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We've got two guests joining us a little later. Ocho, we got Lamont Rose Jr., who had a majority draw with Javante Tank Davis and Osi Adigazua. He's going to join us. just signed a big contract with the Dallas Cowboys, so he's staying

for another four years. Got great money up and coming, but first... Hold on, hold on. I got a question. I got a question. Before we get into the show. You think Lamar Roach, right? You think he'll fight me? If I asked him, before he comes on,

I just want to know from you. You mean, will he beat you? Yes. Beat who? Will he beat you? Yes. You don't have no belief in your co-host?

The homie, Maxwell got you. Brian, no. He got a knockdown. There's a difference. Yeah. And he ain't even touching. Lamar go put them punches.

You see Lamar, how he put them punches together on tank? Imagine you. You're not used to seeing punches, Ocho. Yes, I am. Yes, I am. Yes, I am. I've been fighting the past six years. So I'm going to ask him.

I'm going to ask him. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Sparring is different than fighting. All right. I know. It's just like somebody else. It's like when somebody's a receiver, and they go out there, and they're not used to it.

That ball gets up on them quick. Right. They hit them all upside the head. That ain't going to happen to me, though. That's how them punches hit you all upside your head. But you know what? When he comes on the show, we'll ask him. LeBron James became the first player to score 50,000 career points

when you combine regular season and postseason. He has 41,871 points in the regular season. He has 8,162 points in the playoffs. He also became the oldest player to ever be named Conference Player of the Month. He was named Western Conference Player of the Month. He was named Western Conference Player of the Month. He averaged 29.3 points a game, 10.5 rebounds a game, and 7 assists, and the Lakers went 12-2 in that span. LeBron James, 50,000 career points.

The most conference players of the month, most conference players of the week. That's what LeBron James has done. Yeah, that's what he's done. And he's also done a great thing for me. I know you've been a huge fan. You've been highly respectful of LeBron. Yeah, complimentary of what he's done. Complimentary?

Yeah, complimentary of what he's done throughout his 22-year career. And listen, I asked a request. I sent a tweet out. This is the power of Twitter. This is how great Twitter is. I said, listen, LeBron, can I get that 50,000-point ball? When you hit that milestone. He didn't respond to me, but he got in touch with Doug.

He got in touch with Doug. He got in touch with Doug. Doug sent him the address and LeBron sent me the ball. He sent me the ball, right? But hold on. Not only did he send me the ball. He signed it.

Yeah, he signed it. Let me finish. Let me finish. Not only did he send me the ball. Listen, chat. Listen, I'm trying not to get emotional. Shit. I'm trying not to get emotional. Shit.

I'm trying not to get emotional, right? Because something like this, he sent a note with it, and this is what really touched me. This is what really touched me. Chad, listen to me real quick. This means a lot to me. On the note along with the ball, he said, Ocho, I'm passing my 50K point ball to you.

You've been a legend in your own right and your energy, passion, and love for the game has always inspired me. This ball represents everything I've worked for and I want you to have it as a token of respect for your grind and the way you've embraced everything you do because nothing is given, everything is earned.

I appreciate you. I appreciate you, bro. Keep being great. Love, LeBron. And he signed it for me. You see? Did I see? Did you see it say 50K? You see he put

KJ? It seems like when he spelled James, he almost forgot how to spell his last name. That's because he left-handed, so it might have looked different. I'm just trying to figure out how you get all these milestones. You got the 40K ball, and you got 50K? I got both of them. LeBron, I know you're going to see this.

Blake, listen, I appreciate you, and I promise I won't get emotional, but it's hard to hold back tears, man, especially for you to reach a milestone like this and want to give me the ball. Man, that means a lot to me, to my family. And at any point in life, I doubt it's going to happen. If I'm ever on hard times, this will definitely come in handy. I love you, bro.

If you have a hard time, you gonna give it up? I ain't gonna have no choice. True, I ain't gonna have no choice. Like a chick on prom night, that's the thing, yeah. Give it right up. You getting it up?

Giving it up. Hey, but LeBron, real talk, bro. I love you. I appreciate you. This is going in the case. 50K, real talk, boy. I love you. I appreciate you. And this is going in the case. 50K, baby. King James. I don't know if people really understand what it's like to be great for that length of time. Yeah, man.

I mean, basically, since he set foot in the NBA, since he was 18 years old. Yes, sir. He's 40 now. Yeah. He's been great. Yeah. He's been great. Yeah. He's been great. I mean, you can have all the criticism you can want.

I mean, you can nitpick. You want to say there was a game he should have shot instead of pass. Or if you want to say where he should have did this instead of that. Right. But there's no denying his greatness for such an extended period of time. You can book in. You can say, oh, he was great here. He was great there.

But you color all in between 18 and 40, and it's colored with greatness. Right. It's remarkable, and I'm not sure we'll ever see it again. Somebody play at this level. I mean, yeah, there's going to be players that, I mean, you can look at Luka. Luka can average what LeBron average can get you rebounds and assists. But do we believe Luka's going to be doing this in year 15,

year 20? Probably not. Are we sure somebody else is going to be able to come along, Ocho, and play this long? They might have a stretch, a 8-year, a 10-year, or even a 15-year stretch. But when you extrapolate what he's been able to do for such a long period of time at the level in which he's been able to do it, man, it's a beautiful thing to watch.

Like I said, I got an opportunity to watch Jordan, his entire career. I watched Kobe, his entire career. But this is remarkable what LeBron has been able to do. Yeah. And that's why I'm getting emotional because it means so much to me, especially for a milestone, to achieve a milestone like this and to be willing to give that up, you know, so I could have it. I mean, I don't really never get, you know, I really get gifts.

People really give me. I'm normally the giver. So to give something like this, man, LeBron, I know you're probably watching. I appreciate you, boy. You're a real one, boy. I don't care what they say about you. It just goes to show you,

can you imagine if LeBron, because Luka is really the only guy that LeBron has truly trusted to have the ball exclusively in his hands. Yes, sir. Now, we go back and say, you know what? If LeBron had somebody he trusted and he didn't have the rock in his hand and he can do what he's doing now, spot up, he can get to the high point,

the high pick and roll, or whatever. He can slash, he can cut. You see what he's doing at 40. So imagine LeBron at 25 and 30, and he has a Luka that he doesn't have to worry about setting him up. He doesn't have to worry about running the offense. Luka can do everything that LeBron does, and LeBron gets to focus on just this.

What do you think his numbers would have been? So now he doesn't have to worry about facilitating. Now his assist total might be a little lower because he's not going to have the ball in his hand primarily. That's going to go to Luka.

Right. But you see, scoring and the percentage in which he's shooting. Go back and look at since Luka's arrived. Look at his three-point

field goal percentage. Look at his field goal percentage. Look at his point total. That's shooting. Go back and look at since Luka's arrived. Look at his three-point field goal percentage. Look at his field goal percentage. Look at his point total. That's crazy. Everything has increased because you know what? A lot has been taken off of his plate, Ocho. He doesn't have to worry about facilitating for everybody. He doesn't have to worry about all that other stuff.

He can just say, Luka, you have that. Let me get like three runouts a game. Right. Let me get a couple of dives to the baskets. I hit a couple of threes. Hell, that damn near 20 right there. But it's been unbelievable to watch. Yeah.

And like I said, I'm old enough to remember a lot of the great players. I saw Magic. I saw Magic in person once. But most of the time, I mean, to see Bird and Magic and Akeem and all these great players, and now the Steph Currys, the KDs, and all that stuff to see these guys play.

LeBron, Kobe, Shaq. I don't think we're going to see somebody else get $50,000, Ocho. I really don't. $50,000 right here, Chad. And plus, Ocho, here's what we're saying. We're under the assumption, huh? We're under the assumption that he stops playing. Who's to say this thing is not going to be 52, 53,000?

Yeah. He can keep going, especially with Luka at the helm now. You know, Luka could take all the pressure off the bar. Oh, he could easily play another two, three. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. He could easily play another two, three. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. He could easily play another two to three years. Yeah.

The question is, he says, keeping his mind sharp because he's been so to that routine. And I don't believe Savannah is putting the pressure on like, hey, baby, you need to come home. Blah, blah, blah. Come home. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, no, because, hey, bro, I know what you like when you home. He will be moody as hell. So I can see LeBron legitimately, Ocho.

I can see him playing another two to three years. And I wouldn't be surprised if that were to happen. But at the level that he's playing at, he's playing at an extremely high level. And it's great to see. Ocho, Danny Buss says Anthony Davis wasn't happy. We have lost the last three years in a row to the Denver Nuggets in the playoffs, and we really didn't have anything that was going to look different going into the playoffs again. Anthony Davis was complaining about where he's being played, and he wasn't happy.

So I think this was a positive for both teams. They got what they were looking for, and we got what we were looking for. Ocho, do you believe that was fair for Genie to say? I mean, no. I mean, well, kind of. Kind of, to give him a reason. Remember, you like for people to be honest. You like for people to speak to yourself.

What you saying? I like for him to be honest. That was for people to speak to yourself. What you saying? I like for him to be honest. That was very transparent. That is why the deal was made. Listen, A.D. wasn't happy, obviously. He didn't show any type of emotion. He didn't show that any signs of him being unhappy, especially on the court.

He went out there and did what he was supposed to do. But if you're not happy and you keep things behind closed doors, internally, this is what you get. They give you your wish. Now, you got your wish. Just so happened that Luca became available and it worked in the Lakers' favor. Okay, you're not happy? We're going to do your solid, young boy.

We're going to see you over to Dallas. And Luca's going to come over here. And both parties are happy. I'm sure he's happy now. Well, I mean, outside of being injured. Outside of being injured. Me,

and I'm trying to be like, A.D. wasn't asking you to go get in Joel Embiid or Nikola Jokic. Yes, sir. Just give him an able-bodied person so he can slide to the four. A little bit. And then the last five minutes of the game, I'll play the five. Okay.

He don't like being down at the five, huh? If you look at AD's best years, he had it with Boogie. Yeah. Boogie was at the five. Yeah. AD was at the four. If you go back and look at JaVale McGee at the five, Dwight Howard at the five, AD at the four.

But when it came down to crunch time, AD slid to the five, and a lot of times LeBron was the four man, but he played the point. That was OJ, but here is the kicker, Ojo. In order for this deal to get consummated, AD had to waive his no trade clause.

Yeah. Yeah. Everything Jeannie Buss said could be true. Yes, sir. But considering the man could have held this thing up and Nico probably takes this deal to somebody else, just keep that behind

closed doors. Okay, okay, okay. Well, listen, at this point, this is good. Maybe we get more owners being transparent and being honest and coming out and say, well, this individual wasn't happy,

so we granted them exactly what they wanted. And ain't nothing wrong with that. It probably would. It's hard for me. Now, it's hard for me to see a scenario, Ocho, where this wasn't conveyed

to them at some point in time in the process. Yes, I'm going to come when he was at the Pelicans. Right. Yes, for sure. Okay. For sure. Because if you go back and look at it, they had JaVale McGee and Dwight Howard.

Right. AD's first year there, they won the championship. And you blow that up? Why would you not? And I get it. I mean, like I said, I don't think AD was asking for, hey, I need a top five center. He just needs somebody that can eat up the minutes so he doesn't wear himself down trying to bang with Yoke, trying to bang with Embiid, trying to bang with those big bodies.

Let those guys. Now, the last five minutes, I got you. Don't even worry about it. I got you. The last five, let me at it. I don't really think that's a bad thing to say. Yeah, he said it on several occasions. His last interview, I don't know if it was Dave McMiniman or Shams,

but he said, you know, hey, I would like to have a five. I think that's all we're missing. Five, let me slide to four. The last five minutes of you know, hey, I would like to have a five. I think that's all we're missing. Five, let me slide to four, the last five minutes of the game. I got it. Yeah. Yeah. I just think the thing is for me, me personally, like I said, hey, everybody's entitled to their opinion.

I think with AD being as class as he was because he could have held it up and said, no, I ain't waving my trade clause. I came to L.A. I'm going to stay in L.A. Yeah. And then now Luka's maybe. So the trade doesn't happen. Now you get a bona fide superstar for the next 10 years. Right. And Luca. So I like I said, I just some some situations, Ocho.

It is OK. It is OK for you to just sit on the truth. It doesn't hurt anybody if she keeps this, Ocho, if anybody harmed, if she keeps this. Because the way she said it, it makes it seem like, well, we were kind of looking to trade AD because he started to complain

and it started to become an issue. You see what I'm saying? I just think a situation like that, just sit on that information. You know it, and that's how you feel. Got no problem with that. But it's okay if everything is not brought up.

Everything is not mentioned. Because AD has played well. Yeah, he's been nicked a couple of times. I mean, but it ain't no harm in losing to, you talk about one of the great players. It's going to all see, when it's all said and done, we'll see where Nicola Yoke is ranked. But y'all make it seem, who the hell y'all think,

I mean, the Lakers put somebody out every year. The Celtics were putting people out every year. Jordan was putting people out every year. When it's all said and done, Jokic is going to be going to be up there. He has three MVPs in a four-year span. He's probably going to finish

second this year. Who to say he doesn't win another one or another two or win another championship. So losing to Nikola Jokic ain't bad. Right. That's like Toronto said, man, every year.

Man, we lost to LeBron. Really? That's what y'all feel bad about? Losing to LeBron every year? Right. A lot of people lost to LeBron. Or losing to Steph or losing to one of these other great players over an extended period of time. There is nothing wrong with that.

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No, thanks for joining us. Take us through Saturday night. You go into that fight. You move up five pounds. You're 135 and you move up. And you're feeling, I mean, everybody's that man. They know he got no chance. Tank told you a couple of days earlier, hey, you're not going the distance.

Y'all shake for a little bit, 250, whatever the case may be. You go into that fight. You know Tank's a slow starter. Builds up as the fight progresses you know he's trying to land hook to the body come up top with it what was your process what were you going into that fight how did you want to fight and did the fight turn out the way you thought it would well honestly yeah the fight the fight went exactly how we planned it to go, honestly. You know, we're familiar with them. We've been familiar with them.

We just knew it was a matter of time for everything to fall into play. And back to the whole everybody not giving me a shot, saying I'm going to get knocked out and all this and all that. I know what I'm capable of. I know what I can do.

Like, they just, in a nutshell, they had me totally messed up. Especially when he bet me saying he was going to stop me. What do it do? I told him himself, I said, you tripping.

I said, I don't know what got into your head these last couple minutes, few days, whatever the case, you tripping. You know you're not going to do that. I don't even know why. I told him that, I said, I know You know you're not going to do that. I don't even know why. I told him that.

I said, I know you know you're not going to do that. Cut it out. Yeah. Hey, listen, when you talk about you're very familiar with them, and I understand you and your team, you went into the fight with a game plan. Is it familiarity, the fact that you guys probably trained together in the past or you've been at camp together in the past, you sparred together? Is that why you were so familiar in whatever game plan your team did have and were able to

execute is that why it went so well i mean yeah it's one it's one of the many reasons why it went so well um even though we were kids you know some of them traits characteristics and just ways of a man who like grew with him yeah so you know some of the some of the like some of the dirty tactics I knew that he you know

reverted to that when that pressure built up when somebody that was there that wasn't scared of when somebody was there that was there to

return fire and you know what I'm saying he ain't been in the ring in his professional career he hasn't been in the ring with something like that or something like the caliber of what i got right so what i thought obviously watching the fight and when i look at all his team fights most of this happened obviously he starts slow and then round five six he starts to pick it up a little

bit and by the time as he's picking it up normally his opponent is deteriorating yeah the condition ain't where it's supposed to be. But I'm looking at you. They get to round six and seven, and he coming forward, and you not even moving. So at that point, y'all men range, you sit in the pocket, and most of the time, when they hit somebody,

they retreat. But you took one to give one. I'm like, but he boy, he boy coming at it. I'm like, so he boy, he boy coming at it. Yeah. I'm like, so did the power not affect you in any way where you didn't really care? Where you just sat in the pocket with him in exchange? Because most of the time, I mean, you got to be cautious. You got to be cautious because when throwing punches, you know, you got a chance to get hit.

You know, when you're letting go. Did you not care at all? Or did you feel his power early and really weren't worried about it? So, it wasn't that I wasn't caring. I was cautious. Like you said, I was cautious, but the defense is there, and the confidence was through the roof.

And I got a chin. You can keep a spade to spade. You know what I'm saying? I see why he knocked people out. I'm not going to say the power was over but it i i've been in there with guys who could punch i mean like right with guys who could punch so it's like it's nothing it was nothing new to me i've been in there with middleweight champions i've been in there with junior middleweight champions i mean like as they were champion in their prime and stuff like that. So it's like, you know what I'm saying? Like I was confident in what I could do defensively. And if I get hit,

I know, I know I was going to give it right back. Right. So listen, in the ninth round, I'm sorry. You know, I,

you know, I get excited about Boston. I don't mean to take over, but listen, Hey, young boy in the ninth round, you know, Javante took a knee.

Obviously there's some controversy behind that. It wasn't ruled a knockdown by the referee. I've never seen that ever. And then, In the ninth round, you know, Gervonta took a knee. Obviously, there's some controversy behind that. It wasn't ruled a knockdown by the referee. I've never seen that, ever. And in my years of watching boxing and enjoying the sport of combat sports in general, did that moment impact your strategy for the remainder of the fight? I'm going to say no, and let me tell you why. Yeah. The simple fact that he took the knee is, it was really a boost because it's like,

all right, what we doing is working. We know that he looking for something. It should have been a knockdown, one. So that's why I'm yelling at the referee, like, keep counting. Like, you tripping, keep counting. That's a knockdown. Because if y'all didn't notice He started to count He started to count

He did Cut it And then he stopped Yes He stopped Okay So when we Resumed the action

I'm like what you doing Keep counting Like you can't do that Right So And then it wasn't even Registering Or processing through my mind the other rules. Right.

To the simple fact that he could have got disqualified for having his corner come up to the ring and assist him during the round. Wipe it in his face. Yeah, you can't come to the back. Wipe it in his face. You can't do that. Or he can't turn his back on, like, during the fight. That's cause for, that's the wave and all. He took a knee and then turned around

and went to the corner. A breath or usually turn or stop the fight. Oh, I ain't know that. I'm watching you. A lot of times when people hit tank, like Ocho was saying, they retreat. But it seemed like you had a strategy. Like, if he hit me, I'm going to hit his ass

back just as hard as many times as he hit me, I'm going to hit his ass back just as hard as many times as he hit me. And I don't think he expected you to return the kind of five that you returned because you wobbled him a couple times. And I'm not so sure that I've seen Tank wobble like when you called him a couple times and you was getting through the guard. I mean, hey, normally a softball fighter, that lead right is a home run right down Broad Street.

And you kept touching him with it. For sure. It was one of the many things that we trained for. Obviously, he happy-go-lucky with his left. And they've been working for his whole career. He's been knocking these dudes out. So, you know, we've been training. We've been

sitting on the left, being able to, working on countering, working on, you know, being able to, working on countering, working on, you know, uh, being able to block and come back. And, uh,

we had some pretty fast guys and then we had some pretty strong guys that I had to, you know, uh, switch rounds with every,

like, you know, every spawn chest. So, you know, we was ready. We was prepared. And,

um, like you said, them dudes wasn't really, really cracking him back. And I was really throwing that fire at him. And the I was really throwing that fire at him. And the accuracy was really probably pissed them off too. And the fact that I was busy, it's like, all right, this ain't stopping.

Yeah, I thought you did an unbelievable job of keeping the pace up. Like Ocho said, he's a guy that likes to start slow. So he has some energy reserved. So when he comes out from 5 through 12, he's like, I got a lot left. I know I ain't really spent no gas. I just been coasting. I've been on electric mode. Now I got this fire.

I got this gas in the tank I'm finna unleash. But you met fire with fire. And I've heard Floyd say that when he went into a fight, he never watched tape on the guy that he was fighting. He left that up to his corner to watch the fight and then tell him instructions. He would take all that information, and then once he got into the ring, blah, blah, blah. Do you watch fight? When you're going against a fighter, do you watch them or you leave that up to your corner to watch and then give you an instruction of what you should do?

I don't watch them a lot. I just so happen to be a boxing fan that the fact that I do watch him fight, you know what I'm saying? I really like boxing. He's just somebody to watch. He's a spectacool. He's a knockout artist,

skilled guy, one of the better pound-for-pound fighters. I like watching good fights. So I do know some of his tendencies, but to study him not really I left it up to my dad

but one time one day like one day in camp we did sit down and watch a few of his fights back to back okay

hey listen Tank has publicly expressed interest obviously in a rematch you want a rematch as well yeah are you open to immediate rematch

or do you have a you don't need immediate rematch or do you have a, you don't need a tune-up, but do you have a tune-up fight just to keep yourself going or are y'all running right back? Immediate. Immediate. And just to let y'all know,

like, in my contract, immediate rematch was signed. I signed for the immediate rematch when I signed for the first fight. Just in case he lost or just in case it was a draw. So they put that clause in there.

They put a rematch clause in there. So I already signed the rematch clause. So when you got a rematch clause, how long are we taking? How long is the break before you start training again? Is it six months from now? Is it at the end of the year? It's up to the A-side and when they want to fight.

So I'm thinking it's going to be soon. I'm thinking it's going to be soon. I'm hoping it's going to be soon. Let's say that. I'm saying from a boxing standpoint as a boxer, what is soon to you? When you say soon to me, I'm thinking a month. I know that's not... I'm thinking July. I'm thinking July.

I'm thinking July for sure. Okay. If I'm not mistaken, Lamont, I think July for sure Okay But If I'm not If I'm not mistaken Lamar I think I read something That he reached out To Lomachenko's side And see if they were interested

Hey Did you see Did you read that also Did you see that I did see that But you can't You gotta You can't believe

Everything you see Okay And if it is If it is true Then you know That'd be funny But I'm pretty sure

The rematch happens And I'm pretty sure That's the next fight For both of us But let me ask you this that'd be funny, but I'm pretty sure the rematch happens and I'm pretty sure that's the next fight for both bus Mm-hmm. Well, let me ask you this Interested. Go ahead. I'm just would you be interested in fighting Lomo or Teofimo Lopez? or me Hey, I don't know if you're seeing me fight Saturday, I really do this. Hey, I'm with you.

I'm with you. Yeah. Listen, I've been studying you for years. You hear me? Uh-oh. Okay. Listen, I don't have the time, but I can tell you your tendencies right now, round one through seven.

Okay. So if we was to get in there and spar right now, I can tell you what you're going to do by looking at your feet. When you got your hand down by your hip and you step you what you're going to do by looking at your feet. When you got your hand down by your hip and you step forward, you're going to faint. I ain't going to do no more keys. Listen, I've been studying you. I know you.

So if you want to spar at any point, if you get ready for the next fight, I think I've seen you work yourself. Yeah, I got hands. He ain't got no power though. He got pillows at the end of his life. He ain't got no power, Lamar. Lamar, yeah. I got hands. I'm like, they call you a cat, though. He got pillows. He got pillows at the end of his life. Oh, man. He got no power, Lamont.

Oh, man. Lamont, listen. Don't indicate blows. No, no, no. Hey, Lamont, where I'm from, they call me hella hands. Yeah, they call me hella hands. But listen, I'm reflecting on your performance, right? In that fight, bro, your game plan was phenomenal.

Everything you did, you executed from round one all the way to 12. After you have a fight like that and you put on a show like that, what aspects, I mean, like, how do you improve off of that? Because if you would have graded your performance that night, you get an A+. Yeah. So what do you go back and work on after putting on a goddamn show like that? Man, just going on. See, my thing is I always want to get better all the time.

No matter if I do have a good performance or not. I just go back and I watch the tape and see what he do. Obviously, whatever he come with the next one, then we just got to still capitalize. We're going to add to what works. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. We're going to add to it. We're going to build.

We're going to build. We're going to build. Might try to pick it up so we can see if we can get that stoppage on that. You know what I'm saying? You never know. That's how you capitalize. That's how you capitalize. Yeah. Your condition was on point, boy. It was on point. I was a fighter, man.

15-round fighter over here, man. For real? Yeah, for sure. I was in caps on 13, 14 rounds. Wait. With time or no time? No, with time, for sure. With time.

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay. Because, you know, I did 22 rounds, no clock. Let's see. Chad, we're going to get you a cap. Maybe you can get me ready for the rematch.

Matter of fact, bring me the cap. I ain't going to charge you. I ain't going to charge you. I give you four rounds. I let somebody else go four and I come back for another four.

Fresh change, no robbery. I like that. I bet. Man, Lamar, will you put a pause on this man? I got you. Don't beat him up too bad because I need him. I bet. Lamar, will you put a pause on this man? I got you. Don't beat him up too bad because I need him. I need him for a night count.

I don't want him to come back and talk about slurring. I don't want him to come back and talk about like a champ. He's going to be alright. I think he's going to be alright. Don't just give him body blows. Don't hit him on his head. Just give him body blows. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. My defense is my offense. I ain't going to get hit.

A lot of times when guys win and they get a rematch, they're like, well, I don't have anything to improve upon. And they run into a problem. Yeah. Because you had a draw, can you go back and say, you know what? In this situation here, I should have did this instead of that. And I might have been able to land something. Is that how you go back and approach the fight? Because you didn't get the win. And so you're like, well, I didn't get the win.

I didn't lose technically, but I didn't win either. And I think as a fighter, you know, draws and ties, that ain't what we do it for. We want to be winning. We want to be on the top spot. And because you didn't land on the top spot, you feel that, you know what, go back and watch this fight through 12 rounds. Maybe if I pick it up through the first three or four rounds maybe that's a round or two that i win and we don't even have this discussion at the end because it looked like they gave you round 12 had you not

won round 12 he would have wanted to fight which is sad honestly so to me i thought i wanted to fight clearly um i thought i want a close fight. I thought I won a very competitive fight. I'm not saying I steamrolled him or whatever. But to me, I think I won the fight. Now, granted, ninth round should have been called a knockdown. Two judges on the official scorecards gave him the round 10-9. If that was a knockdown,

I win the round 10-8. That's a three-point swing. I would win a unanimous decision. Correct. So you got to take all of that into account. It's three ways that it's three things that could have happened in that ninth round alone with that knee. It could have been a 10,

eight round scored a knockdown. It could have been a disqualification or I could have won by TKO. So honestly, when you look at that and you say, I got a draw against the number one spectacle

in America, a pound for pound talent and a guy with a 90% knockout ratio, you look at it and like, okay, if you got a draw, more than likely you was supposed to win that night.

So even though I didn't get to win, I'm not a moral victory guy. I'm pissed that I didn't win, honestly. Right, exactly. I'm pissed that I didn't win. But I really think that I should have. A lot of people think that I should have. And the rematch is just going to make it worse for him because I got to rev it up.

Like you said, I got to do something. I got to do something. I got to pick it up somewhere to turn this around and make it a victory for me. Lamont, you're moving up from super featherweight to lightweight. Were you afraid that moving up might rob you of some of the power? Because, you know, normally guys that move up, they lose some of the sting.

Were you concerned about that? Are you going to stay? Are you going to stay in super feather? Are you looking to move up? Maybe go 135, 140, even higher. No. One thing that 135 gave me is a lot more sting. I ain't going to lie.

Okay. Five less pounds I had to lose. So, uh... So, what do you normally walk around at, Lamont? Normally, uh... I want to say... 55? Especially if I'm in the gym.

No, no, no. I walk around like 150. Uh... Somewhere around 150, 149 on a good day. Uh... If I'm on vacation, I don't get no higher than 55. So... Okay. Okay. So, you... vacation, I don't get no higher than 55. Okay.

Okay. I think that works. I think that's one of the things that helped Floyd Mayweather. Because Floyd is not a naturally big man. So it was easy for him to stay at 147 because Floyd only walking around at like 155 to begin with. So he's going for six, eight weeks. He's losing five pounds. That's his sweet spot.

Yeah, for sure. And that's another thing with you. It's not like you're walking around 165, 161, 165, and you got to strip down 35, 30 pounds. You're only having to come down 10, maybe even 15 pounds at a max. So that's not that drastic when you see these guys have to go through this massive dehydration in order to make weight because

man, you keep doing that fluctuating your body, man, it takes something out of you, man. It definitely takes a toll on you for sure. Hey, listen, after a fight like this, how much time do y'all take off? Like, I mean, before you get back in and gradually just start

building yourself back, not only in the shape, but just making sure you don't lose that rhythm and consistency. It's tough, man, especially how boxing is today. That's more so like a personal. So me personally,

I don't like being out of the gym too long. I get cussed out by my doctor because he tells me to take a break. You know what I'm saying? Right, right.

And I understand because your body me to take a break. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. And I understand because your body needs to heal, rest. I've been through an eight-week training camp and then went through a hard 12-round fight. So, you know,

you got to get your body together, take some time off because when you peak, when you peak and you peak at the right time, I think I peaked at the perfect time

Saturday night. Right. It's, you know, it depletes you. So I get a little rest. I get a little rest, probably like two weeks. Then I want to be back in the gym. One, because I probably get too heavy and I'm like, I don't feel right. Right, you don't feel right, yeah.

And I be bored. I normally be in the gym. So that's how I go. Where do you live at? What state? I live in in a gym. Okay. Right. Where you live at? What state? I live in D.C. Okay, okay. I'm going to make a little trip down there, man.

Whenever you get back in the gym and you want to start sparring, I'm going to come down there. And I got a little... I don't know. I'm a bad man, Chad. I don't know. I know. I'm a bad man, too.

That's what my teacher called me when I was in high school. Well, listen. I got a little bet for you, right? We're going to do eight rounds, right? We're going to do eight rounds, right? We're going to do eight rounds? Yeah, we're going to do eight. Yeah. If you can beat me at least four rounds.

Now, you know, LeBron James, he just scored 50,000 points, right? Yeah. He sent me the ball. If you can beat me, if you can win more rounds than me, I'll send you this ball he gave me to put up I'm going to call my dad right now We're going to set that up

We're going to set that up You're going to take that ball up off him You'll get that ball up off him That's going to be right in the trophy case Okay That's going to be right in the trophy case Okay Right on top of the bag

Matter of fact I'm going to make it easy for you I'm only using my jab hand on you Oh man You're giving it away Nah I mean listen I can take what I'm doing I'll still win That's what Oh, man. You're giving it away. Nah, I mean, listen. I can take what I'm doing. I still win.

That's what I do. I told you they called me hella hands. No, no, I'm telling you, you're giving the prize away. Bron ain't going to like that. Oh, nah, you ain't going to get that. You think I'm going to lose you and lose that bone? Oh, for sure. That was a lie.

Hey, let me ask you this, Lamont. After the tank fight, who would you like to fight after tank? Are you going to stay? Are you going to stay? If you go back, if you rematch, you beat tank at 135. Are you going to stay at 135

or slide back down to 130 or go up even to 140? It depends on what's available. If the champions at 35 are available, I want to fight them.

I want to unify, obviously. That's good for my career. That's like legacy fights. And on top of that, they're big money fights. Money. If they're not,

if they're not available, I will go definitely defend my title at 30 and probably try to unify there because I can make 30 comfortably and um and i feel like i i run that division like i probably can't even go undisputed if they let me that's like lamar being a student of the game i know you heard your dad you weren't around there but i know your dad has told you or whomever in your corner about the four kings.

Hearns, Hagler, Durant, Leonard. And how they fought each other. And all the top contenders in that, they fought them. You go back to the 70s. You look at the heavyweights. They fought Norton, fought Ali. He fought Frazier. He fought Shavers.

He fought Ali. Nobody ducked. Why is it now, Lamont, that we have guys and they want to cherry pick and don't want to take – it seems like – and I love Floyd, but Floyd that 50-0 because nobody wants to take an ass whipping now because now they feel like my legacy is ruined. I lost the fight. Some of the great fighters, we don't look at Ali because he lost three or four times, even when he looked bad fighting Trevor Burbick or Larry Holmes.

We don't hold that against them. We don't hold it against Leonard. We don't hold it against Hagler. We don't hold it against Hearns. We don't hold it against nobody. I don't know, and I hate that. I love Floyd, and I'm glad he's undefeated, but everybody thinks now if I be undefeated I'm going to be revered

like Floyd and it's not going to happen it ain't Floyd is one of a kind of fighter man in a kind of love of his own even if a lot of people do go undefeated and retire undefeated it's not going to be the same and it's not going to be

the same because Floyd put it in his work Floyd fought them guys when he was able to he fought everybody he fought them guys and he earned the right to

fight who he wanted to when he wanted to whatever the case may be that's that's just a once in a lifetime fighter I don't know why the guys are not...

Maybe I do. I'm going to give you a little scoop. These guys are worried about the money that they can make if they still have an O on their record. They think that a blemish would knock down the value of whatever they have in their contract or whatever they have presented to them, which is crazy to me. I think if you put on a good enough fight, no matter if you win or lose, the performance is what matters. It's really what matters.

So people are going to pay to see you fight. If you fight the good fights, that's what they're going to pay to see it. Yeah, they're going to pay to see you fight if you fight the good fights that's what they're going to pay to see it that's why people use numbers used to be so high because people are going to pay they want to see certain fights they want to see them fight look at Mickey Ward and Arturo Gatti

that was jam packed lost didn't matter people still pay big money to see that because they know they were going to get action. For sure. But now, Lamont, guys, like, you know what? Yeah, if I fought Lamont, I can make 15 mil. But if I fight this guy that I know I can whip, I can make 10.

So why take the chance for an extra five when I can get this can over here and I can whip him for 10? So I just give me a couple. I give me five or 10. I give me five or 10. I need 10 five or 10 of these 10 million dollar fight. Why would I need to take a risk for two of those big fights? No, I ain't gonna do that. But then you got to think about that.

Lamar, I told Uncle tonight, we talked about this too, right? Not only do certain people not want to take risks, but you want to build it up until you get to the really, really good fight. So if you got,

like you talk about the four, the four Kings back then, back in the day, right? And today's, if you got the the really, really good fight. So if you got, like you talk about the four kings back then, back in the day, right? And today, if you got the best boxes, right? And if all the best boxes fight each other right now and not have fight after fight after fight and actually build it so people actually want to watch

and you can maximize your pay, that's a little different. Think about how long before Earl and Bud actually fought. Yeah. Look how long it took. Look how many fights they had because there was a build-up to it. From that standpoint, I kind of get it and understand you want to maximize your pay.

You also, nobody wants to lose, but at some point, they ain't going to have no choice but to fight each other. You got to understand. But think about it. Lamar, you know this. Sugar Ray went to but to fight each other. You got to understand. You got to be right. But think about it. And Lamar, you know this. Sugar Ray went to 160 to flag Hagler. He definitely did.

He definitely did. They didn't come down. They went to him. And you're talking about guys that fed similar. 130, 135. They went up two. Sugar Ray was 147. Went to 160.

Hagler, or Hearns, was 147, went to 160. You're definitely right about that. That's middleweight. And Ray and Duran started at 35. Come on. Duran was that small? Yeah. Yeah.

One of the best lightweights to ever do it. Yeah. Horse hands were 135? A lot of those guys started, yes, a lot of those guys started there, Ocho. 30, 35,

Floyd. 30, 35, 40, 47, and Fort, uh, De La Hoya,

54. Yeah. Yeah, oh yeah, a lot of them guys, yeah. And had, Pacquiao's a novel.

Pacquiao started at like 106, 112. Yeah. And blew through everything. Eight division. Eight division champion. Yeah. You're not going to see that. Even when you look at Armstrong, you look at all those guys, nobody's doing this again.

Nobody's going to do that. Yeah. I mean, basically, you'd have to start at, say, you'd have to start at like 140 and go to heavyweight to try to clean. To try to clean out everything. And that is not happening. That ain't happening at all. Roy wasn't a normal. Roy was a bad boy.

Yeah, Roy went from 60 to 68. Ten years straight. Yeah. Middleweight, heavyweight. If Roy had just stayed there and not stripped the muscle that he put on to go to heavy because I think that took a lot out of him yeah that took too much out of him he probably should have stayed he probably should have never come back down or just took his time but Roy won the title couldn't get nobody else to fight gave the title up and came back down and he wasn't the same

after Tarver beat him that one time he was never the same because he got started getting beat by fighters that Roy would have mopped the floor inside of five rounds with him. Yeah. So what's next, Tank? I mean, excuse me. What's next, Lamont? What's next? After this Tank fight, you said you want to fight whoever the big money

fighter is. Who? Hey, Lomo, Teofimo, Haney, Garcia, whoever. The champs at 135 right now are Shaquille, Keyshawn Davis, and Lomachenko. That's who we're going to be

looking at after I beat Tank. After I beat Tank in the rematch. If them guys ain't available, then we gonna go to 30 and defend my 130-pound championship. So listen, out of those three you just named, who would you prefer to fight

first? If you can't get all three, if you had a preference. If I had a preference? I don't really got a preference. I would put a blindfold on and pick whichever one. It don't matter. Hey, tell them who I want this ass whipping. That's who I want.

Who want this ass whipping? For sure. As a matter of fact, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. Lomo, you're going to get it first. So you're going to get it after I get Tank. When I get Tank, I'm going to get you at the first of the year. And Shakur, I'm going to come see you in July.

For sure. And Keyshawn Davis, hey, at the end of the year, on 27, I got you ass whipping too. Hey, sound good to me. Yeah, sound real good. Hey, man, I appreciate it. Congratulations. Great fight.

It wasn't the outcome that you had hoped for because you trained for eight weeks, had a great camp, and you put the time in to win. It didn't go in wait, but who knows what's going to happen July, August, when the next fight come around. Wish you the best. And guess what? Come back and join us again when the fight happens. We'll see what happens after that, Lamar.

Appreciate you. Appreciate you. Will do. Thank you, man. I appreciate both of y'all, man. I'm going to see you in D.C. No doubt. Yeah, get my contact.

We'll bring you out for sure. All right, man. Hey, body. Because he need to talk. So don't hit him in the jaw. I don't want him to, you know. Yeah, that's what I want you to do. Yeah, yeah.

Make it like, eh. That's what I want you to do. That's what I want you to do. Hit him with the body. Yeah, I got it. I'm going to make sure I record it, too. We have it on the nightcap. That's what I need you to do.

Record it. All right, all right, all right, all right. Appreciate that, Labai. Have a good one, bro. All right, bro. All right, you too. Thank y'all, man. All right, bro. All right. All right. Appreciate that, Labai. Have a good one, bro. All right, bro. All right, you too. Thank y'all, man. All right, bro.

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Lamar Rowe Jr., man, that's unbelievable, man. It was great talking to him. Ochoa, hey, you have your, that's your thing, boxing's your thing. Oh, yeah. That was fun. That was fun. I enjoyed that.

I enjoyed that. That was. It's always great to get these guys. You know what? I'm going to reach out to Roy because I want to hear what Roy got to think on this. Roy, I'm going to hit Roy up tomorrow and see if I can get Roy to come on

and talk about this fight. Yeah. Matter of fact, that'd be good. You get Roy here, Roy can tell you the stories about where we used to spar. Man, you ain't want none of Roy.

Know what I'm saying? No, we... Come on, now. You know Roy from down here, now. Yeah, I know. Yeah, me and Roy used to spar when I was in high school. I used to spar with him sometimes.

Yeah, he from... He from the same place Brooks from. Mm-hmm. Hey, bad boy, he quick just fought. When I was in high school, I just fought with him sometimes. Yeah, he from the same place Brooks from. Mm-hmm. Hey, bad boy, he quick than a motherfucker, boy. Yeah. He was, Jesus Christ. Oh, he from Pensacola. Yeah, you're right.

He from Pensacola, yeah. He from D. Brooks, and I played with another guy named, oh, Emmitt from Pensacola, too. Emmitt, Emmitt who? Emmitt Smith. Hold on. Emmitt from Pensacola, too. Emmett? Emmett who? Emmett Smith. Hold on. Emmett from Pensacola? Yeah. Emmett from Pensacola?

Yes. Yes. That's Roy and Emmett. They homeboy. Yeah. Man, I didn't know that. Yeah. Emmett from Pensacola.

Okay, boy. I just learned something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, boy. I used to be piecing Roy ass up, boy. Yeah, he's from the 80 Okay, boy, I just learned something. Yeah. Yeah, boy. I used to be piecing Roy ass up, boy. And some days, boy. We got to get Roy on here, man. We got some good

stories. We'll get it. Ocho, Kevin Durant and Coach Bud got into it last night. Check this interaction out, Ocho. During the time out early in the game, Coach Bud Hoser grabbed KD's arm in an apparent attempt to pull him in for a conversation. But KD pulled his arm away.

Then they engaged in a brief animated conversation before parting ways. KD spoke about it after the game. Let's take a listen to what KD had to say. Yeah, that's what usually happens when you don't know the dynamics of a relationship. You know, you catch something on TV, you did a quote, and now you're pushing that narrative as if me and Bud don't do that shit all the time.

We're competitive as two individuals who want to see things done the right way. And sometimes my way ain't the way that Bud want to do it and vice versa. And he allows me as a player on the team, a veteran on the team, a voice-minded team. If we both didn't care, we would never have stuff like that. You know what I'm saying? So I am glad that the wind is going to sweep all that stupid stuff under the rug because people couldn't wait. Even some people with Phoenix in here couldn't wait to run with that. You know, and so this is the reason why the team ain't playing well because of that specific thing.

But come on, man. That shows that me and Bud really care about trying to break this shit and trying to win basketball again. So he understands where I'm coming from. I understand exactly where he's coming from. It's just people on the outside don't know the dynamics of the relationship. So in order for them to get some attention, they're going to run with stuff like that. You heard it.

He says, hey, sometimes I see things one way like that. You heard it. Yeah. He says, hey, sometimes I see things one way, but I don't see it that way. Sometimes Bud see things one way, I don't see it that way. We have a difference of opinion. We have a difference of opinions. Hey, he cares, I care.

We trying to get this shit righted. And he's right. I mean, look, that makes it seem like that's never happened before. I've seen coaches and players, they shove each other. It all can be a curse, all that kind of stuff. It happens. You get two animated testosterone-driven men that I believe what I'm saying is right.

He believes what he's saying is right. Two people can't be right. Maybe, hey, two things can be true. Maybe you're right and maybe he's right. But at that point in time, we don't see it that way. I want you to see my point of view. No, bro, I need you to see my point of view. Right. But I don't

know what happens, but I know KD went crazy in the fourth quarter, and they were down 23, and they won the game. That's what I do know. Listen, the funny thing about it with the Suns, listen, when you're losing, everything is magnified. When you're losing the way they are even though they won that specific game everything is magnified unless you played organized sports in a structured environment you another you'll never understand that dynamic you'll never understand it that goes on all the

time especially when it comes to a player of that magnitude that's great and you have a coach and the coach wants to see you do your best, or if you're not playing to your full potential, they're going to get on you just like that. That happens not just at the elite level with NBA players, NFL players. It starts even when you're young. The problem that you got to worry about is when you have a coach that cares about you and he stops talking to you and he doesn't try to correct you he's not on your head and trying to get you to do things the right way that mean he doesn't care so what i see as a former athlete stuff like that happen it resonates

with me because i've been in that situation before where hugh jackson getting on me on the sideline of course because i'm trying my hardest. I fire back. You know, I talk back a little bit. But, you know, you, man, you would grab me by the neck. Man, don't play on me. Yeah. Not today. You from Carpenter.

Hey, you don't play. Man, you a damn fool. You good people. But you good people. I like you. But you know what? You're right. You're absolutely right.

A lot of times, in the heat of the battle, you forget. Like, man, I shouldn't do this in front of all these people because there's 70,000, 80,000 people watching and there's cameras everywhere. You forget sometimes. You do forget. You absolutely forget. I always try to be mindful.

You know, hey, let's get this behind closed doors. I'm just to be mindful. You know, hey, let's get this behind closed doors. I'm just going to give you a look. You mean like that look you gave me when you thought I was late on Thursday? Hey, hey, that was like coaches like, hey, bro, look here. I won't allow you to say anything to me Mary Porter didn't say.

Right. Mary Porter ain't never called me no mofo. She ain't never called me no SOB. So now if you think you can call me that, now you know what? I'm going to take this uniform off. I'm going to whip your ass because I know I ain't going to be here. But all that stupid you know what i don't play that nah give me that because uh nah i don't play like that don't you

i don't so we have a we just had a great understanding. Hey, bro, don't. Hey, come on now. Right. I ain't your kid. I got kids. You got kids. I got kids. You just can't talk to me any kind of way. Trust me.

Tell me what I did wrong. I'm not going to make that same mistake twice. But you're not going to call me dumb. You know, you stupid. No, no, no. OK, I can't get that like that. I ain't finna hold you. Y'all can talk about sensitive all you want to, but I'm big.

I'm huge on respect. Respect, yeah. I give it to everybody. I believe every man or woman deserves a certain level of respect. Yeah, always. Now, when that level of respect dissipates, it's best that you and I go our separate ways.

That's okay. We don't, look, we, and sometimes on show, like, when you're on a team, you ain't gonna get along

with everybody. Yeah. Hey, you do your thing, I'm gonna do my thing on this field. Hey, when the whistle blows,

time to go our certain ways. Yeah. What about the locker room, A was trying to go out certain ways. Yeah. What about the locker room, eh? Like, I don't even know you. There it is. There it is. Man, you ain't... Bro, he was a teammate.

You not buddy-buddy with everybody that's on your team. You buddy-buddy with everybody in your work office? Y'all go out to lunch and do happy hour, go to each other's crib? No. I mean, some guys are close like that, though, Joe. They are. Yeah, yeah.

Some guys not. This ain't college. Well, you see it. You know what I'm saying? I will pass the guy in the hallway going to class, or he might be in the same class. Bro, a lot of these guys, they got families, they got kids, and we on different wavelengths, and that's okay. We just trying to do the same.

When we at work, hopefully we got the same goal, Ojo, to try to win as many games we possibly can. Once you go home. Done deal. Yeah, but I'm not making too I'm not making too much out of it with the KD interaction

that's happened like I said I've seen coaches hey coaches and players man I've seen college I've seen basketball player beat the basketball coach

so now we had to go pull him up off it I ain't pushing what I say he beat him down basketball player beat the basketball coach so down, we had to go pull him up off it. I ain't bullshitting you. Ocho, when I say he beat him down, Ocho, when I say he beat him down. Right. He must have said something slick, huh?

I don't know what he said. And because, you know, I'm looking at the bathroom. Where did I see him arguing? Right. Because I ain't never seen, look, Ocho, I've seen players and coaches argue in that setting yeah on the football field on the basket okay that's one thing but bro we not we not in that environment we're not on the football field we're not on the basketball court right you you arguing me like we just two ninjas in the street right so i'm like what the hell i said

man let me go on down there for something, Papa. So I go down there. I'm just, you know, it ain't got nothing to do with me, so I really shouldn't be. And next thing I know, whoop, wop, wop, wop, wop, wop, wop, wop, wop, wop, wop, wop, wop. Oh, Joe. I be like, okay, you probably asked for it because, first of all, you don't live on campus. But you bring your ass back on campus after practice is over to come back up here

in front of this man, you probably was getting what you deserve. Where I intervened when he started kicking and putting feet on him. I said, no, I can't let you do that. Yeah, you got to go get it. I had to get him up off him. And they're like, bro, now look here, coach, go ahead on now, cause if I turn this man loose, after I

got him up off you. That's on you. That's on you now. Round two. Hey, I called my other, I said, hey man, man, get coach up out of here. Also, when I say he whipped him. Yeah. Hold on, so that was the coach, that the player was part of the team

yes hold on was the player allowed to remain on the team after that yeah he played a couple I think he

I think he ended up leaving on his own but he didn't kick him off if I'm not mistaken I think it was the coach's fault okay so he must have been a star player

he wasn't a star player but he was a good player. He was a decent player. Okay, okay, okay, okay. But my thing is, if I'm a coach, here's the thing. Yeah. If you let a puppy lick you in the mouth, you better be careful, because he's going to grow up to be a dog and he'll bite you.

Hmm. Man, boy. Uh-uh. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Boy, that was a good. Man, boy. Uh-uh. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Boy, that was a good one there, bro. Boy, you know, I don't go nowhere without it now. Yeah. If you let a puppy lick you in the mouth,

he'll grow up and bite you when you become a dog. See, if you put yourself on that level. See, the problem that the coach had is that he put himself on that level to be with the player. So the player no longer looked at him as the coach. Right. He looked at him like another player. Let a puppy lick you in the mouth. Oh, that's why that's oh joe that's why with kids you stay up here oh joe you don't say oh that's my friend oh that's my best friend me and my daughter me and my son we like three we like

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