Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: LeBron TURNS BACK the CLOCK vs ROCKETS + Rockets Had TEAM MEETING About Kevin Durant’s BURNER Account

Episode Date: May 2, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to LeBron James turning back the clock and eliminating the Rockets and Rockets had team meeting about Kevin Durants Burne...r Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NIGHTCAP   3:49 - Lakers Eliminate Rockets32:00 - Rockets Had Meeting On KD Burner Account (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:04:35 went in and did. We like, he was aggressive from the jump, Joe. We talked about this. I don't give it down what is, what is an efficiency of? Me neither. I need him to be aggressive. Yes.
Starting point is 00:04:45 Thank you guys for joining his man. Look, the first two games were as good as you possibly get. Right. Lakers walk the dog on them. It's amazing, Joe, when shots don't start falling, now all of a sudden they look at each other, looking to the bitch.
Starting point is 00:04:58 Y'all didn't do none of that the other night. Y'all was high-fiving and bumping. I wonder if y'all still the better team, Jbarri Smil. Everybody's the better team when you win, but we'll get into that just a little later. Y'all know who I am your favorite uncle. That is my partner and co-host. That's Liberty City's own.
Starting point is 00:05:15 That's the Bingle ring of fame honorary. He's a six-time pro bowl. He's an all pro. and he's Ocho Cinco Johnson. And the seven-time NBA All-Star from the Atlanta Hawks University of Arkansas alum, Little Rock, Arkansas native. That is ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button.
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Starting point is 00:07:02 You know, we might go four hours. We might go four. Hey. Ah! You on that liquor, huh? Yeah, I got you. You on that yak. Okay.
Starting point is 00:07:15 Hey, eh, um, I got it. Hey, I got it, before we even started, I got a question for you, right? Now, before reality setting, I know the legs played really well tonight, LeBron was aggressive, he did what he needed to do. Yeah, oh, Achi Mura, did I say that right? Yeah, oh, hachi, oh, haci.
Starting point is 00:07:29 Hey, A, A, Achi were hitting them shots tonight, you hear me? Yeah, hey, don't connect. He showed up, he came to the party. No, no, you're talking about La Ravia came in. Can they really play until, I don't think he got in the game. No, he came in late.
Starting point is 00:07:44 No, it was, a, Lovia came in, gave him some, quality minutes. Five rebounds. Seven points. Yeah. Oh, brother, brother,
Starting point is 00:07:53 brother, brother Reeves played well tonight too. You know, he got that rust off a little bit, you know, going into his second game. So I'm going to let you had a night for the fun
Starting point is 00:08:04 because y'all won this series that's over. But y'all know, you know what dragon laying in front of you now, right? We're not, we're not to that castle. We're not trying to kiss that princess yet.
Starting point is 00:08:15 Oh, you're not worried about that yet. where the dragon is at and he's blocking the princess. Right, right. Talk about that then. Right now, we're gonna talk about them stinking rockets that failure to launch. Okay. Let's talk about them duds.
Starting point is 00:08:27 Okay, okay. They're talking about rockets. They're missing fire. Yes, huh, yes, huh. Anybody know anything about fireworks, you know when you get a big old pat and half of them duds. You pay.
Starting point is 00:08:36 Yes, sir. Hey. Joe, you look at the Lakers, and they understood the assignment. They didn't want to play a game seven, because anything can happen. They got confidence. They're like, hey, we've already won in their building before.
Starting point is 00:08:51 We can damn show go in here and win again. Lakers adopted that same mindset. JJ said, look, guys, game three. We went there and we won. We can win again. All we got to do is take care of the basketball, keep those guys off the glass. They did a great job of that tonight.
Starting point is 00:09:08 Joe, what was so impressive? What was you what you found most interesting in why the Lakers won this game and in the fashion in which they did? Well, I thought the Lakers played great defense, Uncle Ocho. I mean, as you can see, the Rock is only scored 78 points. And when you cut them young guys ward off to where they're not efficient, they're not making shots, you see the difference, right? Yes.
Starting point is 00:09:30 It's a huge difference. But the biggest key is probably the way LeBron started the game. You know, putting a step on the game early, you know, getting into the teeth of the defense, living in the paint, scoring their wheel. I'm like you, I don't give a damn that he went 10 for 25. I'm cool with that. Hey, bro. Hey, long as you being aggressive, making plays, trying to score, then everybody else, you know, they can get it off the glass.
Starting point is 00:09:55 So they'll start, they'll catch up with you and they'll start to play off you. I just thought the lake was in full control tonight from start to finish. They really never looked like, you know, like they was in, like they was ever going to lose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they was never in any danger. But that's, that's indicative to plan a young Rockets team. who, yeah, they got a little experience, but hell, if they ain't making shots, okay, Ocho, how else can they affect the game
Starting point is 00:10:23 to keep themselves in it at home? And they couldn't do it to, they couldn't do it tonight. And I think the thing is that because Rees Shepherd wasn't able to get hit some threes early, nobody was diving to the basket. I thought they did a great job. It's like, look, we're not coming to hell. They're like, eight, Aton, you got an anchor down.
Starting point is 00:10:39 Yeah. And he did a great job of absorbing that contract, contact because Shingoon, when he bothered you, Hey, no, A, and said, nah, I ain't going nowhere, bro. Yeah. Hey, I dropped the anchor right here. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:51 And he made, he forced shots, made him go off over the top. I thought Marcus Mark was unbelievable tonight. He did a great job of taking care of the basketball. Remember, he had six turnovers last, last game, Joe. Yeah. But think about it's his hustle plays. Yeah. He's blocking shots from back.
Starting point is 00:11:08 Hey, and that, I don't know who it was. Was it Easton? I don't know if it was Eastern. I don't know who it was. that he met him at the summit. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:17 He met him at the summit. Yeah. Yeah. He was sensational tonight. I thought he stepped up to play. I thought Kanaad, I thought everybody played really well. They got a little loosey-goosey with the ball. I thought Alster Reeves tried to pat the ball behind his back.
Starting point is 00:11:33 It goes out of bounds. And the next thing you know, Houston goes on a 6-0 run. Yeah, I agree. Those are the type of plays that when you play in better team, now you do this, that's six. nothing run. Okay, see, that's 16-0-0. Yeah. But we'll talk about that, Ocho, we'll talk about that we'll talk about it right now. Yes-a, yes-a, yes-a-yes-a. Hey, listen, I like what you said about Mark is smart. And for guys who enjoy playing the game, who enjoy watching the game,
Starting point is 00:12:00 man, listen, when you ain't making shots, how else can you put your stamp on the game? Because Marker Smart probably didn't score to, what, the third or four-quarter? He had one point until those final two threes. Yeah, so. Yeah, so he had one point. Yeah, so he never, hung his head, he kept playing hard. And here, you got to have him on the court because it's the energy and effort that he brings defensively, you know, keeping guys together on defense, I think
Starting point is 00:12:23 I mean, he's a hell of a piece, bro. You got to have guys who can really stay in the right mind frame Uncle Ocho when things ain't really going their way. And for young guys, that's hard. Okay, Ojo. Very hard. Yeah, but when you got a veteran guy, like Marcus Smart, who'd have been
Starting point is 00:12:39 around the block here, he didn't gave you 20 plus you know, in this series. And he didn't, and it's been games like tonight, where it didn't look so good to him or for him until late in the game, you know, to where he was able to make a couple shots. But for the most part, bro, he still played his role to the T. Yeah, hey, Joe, and that's something to, uh, Joe, you mentioned it too before. Sometimes, like, when you get to this level, you got to understand,
Starting point is 00:13:04 everybody can score. But depending on where you're at, depending on what your role is, they might not need you to score. So you got to be of a value somewhere else outside of just being a score, like Marcus Mark as Mark as night. Okay, I'm not scoring, but there's some other valuable attributes that I bring to my game, you know,
Starting point is 00:13:21 for the league of the night. Hustling, playing crazy defense, you know, hey, Unk, I don't know what the hell of me. That's some of it is, but I know he did something, right? Yeah. He made it at the rib.
Starting point is 00:13:32 You tried to dunk it. We didn't get it. He would have made. Okay. You got to go higher than that. Okay, okay. Hey, I'm at the pit house too. Okay, okay.
Starting point is 00:13:41 So, unless your peat house, pin house on top of mind, but we both at the pin house. I like that. I like that. This high as you can go. Yeah. Yeah. I like that.
Starting point is 00:13:51 I like that. Joe, that's the thing. When you're a young player, you're not used to things not going your way. Right. Because for the majority of your life, things have gone your way. You were the best player in your area. You was an all state player. You're probably missed the basketball.
Starting point is 00:14:08 You're the best player on your college team. So now, and so things have always gone. your way so you don't know how to respond when things don't go your way. Absolutely. It's kind of like life. Sports is a macrocosm of life. When things are always going your way, it's easy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:25 When you have a little setback, when you have some stumbling blocks placed in your way, now how do you overcome adversity? Absolutely. We saw DeMarcus Smart played a terrible game. And even though he didn't have a one point until probably like the last six minutes of the ball game. Yeah. Other things, other attributes.
Starting point is 00:14:43 that he contributed that he brought to the table, that is the difference in winning and losing. Absolutely. He's a piece that you more time than not, he'll contribute to you winning as opposed to you losing games because he's going to do all the little things that he understands that, you know what, I'm never going to be the best player on an NBA team.
Starting point is 00:15:05 Right. With that being said, that doesn't mean I can't contribute. That doesn't mean I'm not valuable. There you go. And so once you understand, because a lot of times don't show an out sport, we only equate value to do.
Starting point is 00:15:18 If I don't catch no passes, I'm not valuable. If I don't score no touchdowns, I'm not valuable. Right. But no, sometimes that being a decoy, sometimes getting that blocked. Instead of it being a 10-yard run, it's a 50-yard house call. You have to understand there are other things that are valuable.
Starting point is 00:15:34 Sometimes people just place things, value on monetary things. That's fine too. We all love monetary things. But sometimes there have to be something other than that, that brings you value, that brings you happiness. And so I was very excited considering how poorly he played the other night to see him bounce back because he had played so well in this series.
Starting point is 00:15:54 And when he had been healthy, he had played so well for the Lakers. So it was great to see him bounce back like that. And that's what veteran players that's been in these situations before, this is what they normally do. Absolutely right. And that's why you got to have glue guys like Marcus Smart on Coacho. You know, because the game isn't, his game isn't really the sexiest. But at the same time, he knows how to be effective, bro.
Starting point is 00:16:19 He knows how to be effective. He plays his road to the T. He stars in his role. You feel what I'm saying? Yes. When you got veteran guys like that playing in tough games like this, I don't know what it is about playing at home. This is what I was telling you guys.
Starting point is 00:16:35 Like, when you're on the road, bro, it seemed like it's just you and your teammates against the world. So you, you know, it's likely that you can come out and have a pretty decent game versus being at home when you're comfortable, slept in your bed, you know, you got your family around. You can let your guard down a little bit. You know what I mean? And to me, it seemed like that's what kind of happened in Houston because, you know, Jabari Smith didn't really play a hell of a game as far as scoring wise. It's him averaging about 16, 17 in this series. They needed all those young dudes to play well.
Starting point is 00:17:05 You know, I like the demeanor that LeBron had to start the game. Just very serious and understanding and knowing that, man, I can't settle too much tonight. Oh, yeah. No, I got to put pressure on these boys. I think the thing you're Ocho and Joe is that last game, these guys had out of body experiences shooting the three. Yes. Guys were pulling up with guys in their face shooting the three. I mean, I mean, Tari Isson, the way he was bricking, even his mom was talking about how he was shooting the ball.
Starting point is 00:17:35 on social media. Javari Smith was letting it real. Yeah. Now all of a sudden, a couple of those shots, that's the difference. You see a couple of shots go in, you grow. All of a sudden you clank a couple of them. Hey, you shrink.
Starting point is 00:17:51 Yeah. Now you all of a sudden, you aim it, you're like, come on, you doing all this body, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's all it takes it for a couple of them.
Starting point is 00:18:02 It is to miss. And now all of a sudden, you're not nearly as confident as you once were. But that's what, that happens to young players. Yeah, the vet player, you understand. You're going to have ebbs and flows of the game. I might drop one. And it might be a big play.
Starting point is 00:18:17 I just know, hey, come back. They're going to be a shot. They're going to bring you on a shallow cross. You're going to have an opportunity on a choice or an option route. Just catch that one. Just get the field of that pig skin, feel that leather. Yeah. Then we're right back in business.
Starting point is 00:18:29 Yeah. We're right back in business. Yeah. Yeah. I thought the Lakers, this was the type of game that we wanted to see in game This was the type of game that we wanted to see in game five. We saw LeBron get right down here. Let's get right to it.
Starting point is 00:18:41 All right, let's get to it. Yeah. Hey, hey, what about your boy, Ruyn? Your boy, Ruud came to play tonight, didn't it? Hey, yeah, yeah. We talked about Ruy getting streaky and how he could hit five or six. Hey, Joe, we talked about that the other day. I said, Joe, he's a guy because I watched him in Memphis and I watched him in some of the series.
Starting point is 00:18:59 Yeah. He's a guy. He's their best, best catch and shoot guy from the three. Now, I think Karnar is an overall better shooter from the three than Rui. But as far as just catching the ball and letting it go, he's the best on the team. Yeah. Hey, hey, and he covered for us tonight, too. But when Rui is playing like this, you know, to where Bronc can create and get him wide open shots and kind of get him going, you know,
Starting point is 00:19:23 they kind of picks him up, gets his defense going. I just think, hey, now the Lakers got to, you know, they got to get some rest, Uncle Ocho, and see what they can, see what they can throw out. okay c you know they get Saturday off they get Sunday off they get Monday off they don't play till Tuesday Joe oh yeah they got a little time they got a little time they got a little time also
Starting point is 00:19:44 DA didn't have a big a big night scoring the basketball but Joe on the glass he got everything that was all he did bro he did he did and that's what that's what you have to have they didn't get remember last time I think they doubled them up yeah an offensive
Starting point is 00:20:03 rebounds yeah night the Lakers had 15. They had eight. Now all of a sudden those second chance points that you was feasting on the other night, he didn't allow that.
Starting point is 00:20:13 Guys got on the glass tonight. I thought Marcus Mark has seven rebounds. Rui had six rebounds. LeBron had seven rebounds. Right. You can live with that. Hey, La Ravia came in there in 16 minutes.
Starting point is 00:20:25 He gave you five rebounds. He did. Hey, listen, for Houston, I like Torres Eastern. But you need it, KD, bro, in this series in order to to be able to win. Because these young dudes weren't going to be able to take you to victory.
Starting point is 00:20:39 Not throughout the series. Yeah, they can win you a game or two. Because Easton, you need him coming out of that bench, Ocho, to give you a little five-power, a little spark plug that probably could have helped you get over the hump in a couple of these games. But without KD, I mean, we didn't really think these guys
Starting point is 00:20:55 was going to run the table and win two in a row against a lot. I know I didn't. You know, I wouldn't have been too surprised. It would have been four in a row. Well, yeah, four in a row. Yeah, I really wouldn't been too surprised had they, you know, kept it close and maybe even won this game tonight, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't have picked them to beat the Lakers. Look, we thought that, look, my thing was,
Starting point is 00:21:14 my only concern is that Brian, if Bronn come out being passive again, trying to get everybody else involved, because now you try to get everybody else involved, you're throwing yourself off real. Yeah. You know, sometimes don't y'all, we talk, man, you're helping everybody else and now,
Starting point is 00:21:26 you can't help yourself. Now you find yourself in a predicament. Yeah. Hey, get it off the table. Yeah. I'm a pile of this on my plate. Some fall off grab it. But I cannot run the risk of throwing myself off rhythm
Starting point is 00:21:42 while all the while trying to get you in rhythm. Right. Yeah, I agree. I thought, look, everybody understood the assignment tonight. Look, Austin Reeves is, look, he's defensively challenged. It is what it is, Joe. He's not going to get any better. He's not going to get any better.
Starting point is 00:21:57 He's not. He's not. The guy just don't, I mean, you could try all you want to, but he just doesn't have the lateral. movement, his feet heavy. His feet is just heavy. Some guys can just, it's easy. You look at Mark and Smart, he can just slide and just slide and and you slide and retreat.
Starting point is 00:22:13 Mm-hmm. You got, hey, you gotta hope he get in a little better shape, though, uh-o-oh, you could, you seen all them boys hunched over grabbing their shorts. Yeah. Boy, hey, them boy were dead dog tired, you know. Yes. I'm, I'm like you, they understood the assignment knowing that, man, look, we got to get these young
Starting point is 00:22:31 dudes up out of here. We got to go back home, baby, to get them. us some rest in the next couple of days. And I felt like the Lakers, they did that from start to finish. Get them down. Now they're going to come down and start jacking up shots. Yeah. They're not going to be patient because the one thing is as a young person,
Starting point is 00:22:48 you're not patient. No. Hey, as a young person, I remember out with a young person, guys, hey, I got my chicken from cracking eggs, not by letting them hatch. I wouldn't wait. Shea wasn't waiting on nothing. Hey, that was a bar. That was a bar.
Starting point is 00:23:04 That was a good. So Joe, you already know, you young? I'm going to try to get it. Hey, and let me come down here at three. If I hit a three, that's going to get the crowd. I come down to hear it again, but then what happens? You go air ball and you go airball. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:17 I may probably look at you like, what was that? Yeah. What was that? I think people like, oh, you try, I'm not trying to take no shot at KD. I know they're not a better team without KD. I think some of those guys on that team think they play better. without KD. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:35 That's the issue. Hey, there is some of them guys that are a lot more aggressive without KD. I mean, when you look at it, Uncle,
Starting point is 00:23:43 Ocho, they ain't have nobody with more than three assists tonight, the Rockies. You know what I mean? That's not who they are, Joe. I know, because it's such a young team, they're not really sacrificing.
Starting point is 00:23:53 You feel what I'm saying? It's like, if I got it, I'm taking it. You feel me? It's like, my turn, your turn. Like,
Starting point is 00:23:59 there's really no chemistry and continuity with those guys maybe because KD, is out, you know, Ben Fleck ain't playing. You don't have no veteran guys out there who can help lead this young team. And that's kind of what you've seen tonight. You know, it was guys just kind of one, one pass shot. You know, it wasn't really a good flow of chemistry between the guys tonight.
Starting point is 00:24:19 What guy, look at these guys. I think Thompson is available for a contract extension. You don't make no max dollars being an assist guy. Right. Tari Easton, those guys, Jabari Smith. Joe, I'm trying to get money. KD, going to keep money out my pockets. You don't think those guys think of that?
Starting point is 00:24:42 No, yeah, I know. Yeah, I've been real. That's the all the way real. I've been there. You got Javar Smith, you got Thompson, you got these young guys. They won't max contract because they saw guys in their draft class getting that. Didn't Paulo Bank Carol just signed a max deal? Didn't chat hung up on a max deal?
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Starting point is 00:26:56 legally dubious advice known to man. If I'm calling you, even if you're on your phone, Let it ring twice. One ring is too scary. Cream of chicken suit. Hey, cream. Cream a chicken suit. This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Listen to Help from Hypocrite as part of the Mike Coutura podcast network available on the I-Hart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. American soccer is about to explode. The World Cup is coming. Bramers sending on to Ernie. Score the chip. Score!
Starting point is 00:27:38 I'm Tab Brown. I'm Tom Boak. On our podcast, Inside American Soccer, you'll get the real storylines. I'm not worried about Policic. I'm not worried about Balagan. I'm not worried about McKinney. My only concern is what happens in the back. The biggest decisions. If you're going to look at stats and numbers, he has no shot at making this World Cup team. And the truth about the U.S. national team. It wouldn't be a huge surprise if our team ends up in the quarterfinals or potentially a great run into the
Starting point is 00:28:08 The World Cup is almost here. Experience it all with us. USA! Listen, Inside American Soccer with Tom Bogart and Tab Ramos on the I-Hart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHart Podcasts presents Soccer Moms. So I'm Leanne. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:30 This is my best friend, Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the Hips since high school. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. just a little bit bigger hips, wider. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey.
Starting point is 00:28:45 With all the snacks and drinks. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar or something here? Just a hit it. What are y'all doing?
Starting point is 00:28:56 Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Come on. Could you imagine? I would buy it. Cut through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious.
Starting point is 00:29:08 Oh, you're lucky I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You are. I'm not a killer. I love this team and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Y'all ain't going to slide nothing on the flow? So, KD's going 26, 27.
Starting point is 00:29:37 I ain't gonna really, they ain't gonna really give me no money if I'm scoring 12, Joe. But with KD out, I bumped that up to 17, 18. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? You change everything. Man, hey, they ain't got no playmakers though, Arkin Ocho. Hey, hey, uh, you heard what Joe just said? They ain't got no playmakers, right?
Starting point is 00:29:58 They don't. They don't have a point guard. Hold on. Let's say, KD, not playing. And you, and you bump them numbers up to 17, 18. Hell, it still looked like fools gold. That's all it is. It looks like fool's gold.
Starting point is 00:30:10 You know, it's not, it's not real gold. It's gold-plated. Because without KD, what everybody looked like, Joe? And I mean, and I mean, no disrespect. Not, they, they don't look great consistently. They'll have nights. You know what I mean? Like, in this series, they've had games to where they've looked, you know, pretty good.
Starting point is 00:30:27 You know, but, but like I said, man, that's when they make shots. When they make shots, they look damn good. Hey, Joe, when you get a Mac contract, they pay you your Mac dollars because you what? You what? you elite at what you do. And you're consistent. Damn near, you damn near consistent.
Starting point is 00:30:41 Yeah. Yeah. Javar Smith signed a five year $122 million rookie extension. This contract begins in 2020 to sixth season, long term court following his four initial, four year 35.8 million. He looked at it like,
Starting point is 00:30:56 man, you see what check got? Chet in my class. Yeah. You see, what did Paulo? What did Paulo sign his back extension? It was about two something, wasn't it? That's $118 million more on the same year. What did the check get?
Starting point is 00:31:15 Two something. Chek got two something? Yeah, yeah. He got the same thing as Paulo. Damn. And, Ocho, you know the receivers in your draft player, don't you? Yes. You know when they went to the Pro Bowl, you're like, well, hold on.
Starting point is 00:31:30 He don't win to the Pro Bowl? I got to get that too. Yeah. Paulo got Ban Carroll done made the All-Star team. Chet Hungry, don't make the All-Star team. What you think, Jabari Smith, thank you. Okay, okay, I got you. Hey, I've been there, uh, I know exactly what you're saying.
Starting point is 00:31:43 I know too. Hey, hey, that's why I tell you, look, when I was in Phoenix and I turned that 50 down, I seen Jason Richardson get 70, seeing Gilbert Arena's them signing these big deals. I'm like, hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on. Hey, I got to get some of this here, you know.
Starting point is 00:32:02 Hey, hey, look, I'm going balls to the wall. You hear me? Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Especially, Joe, if you and Ocho, you feel that you're better than the guys that's getting that money. I remember all the receivers that came out. I'm better than him.
Starting point is 00:32:23 Okay, you got that initial money. Gotcha. Tight-in. I played with some of them that ended up. I was like, bro, I was at the East West Shrine game with you. I was at the Blue Gray game with you. Bro, you're not like that. at all.
Starting point is 00:32:38 I'm not hated. I'm looking at my, so now I'm thinking it's kind of like you in a relationship. She chose him over you. What is it about him? I got meat for days too. Ah, how do you all that got him? Okay, he ain't got no money. I ain't got no money.
Starting point is 00:32:56 I'm six to 225, he's six one, two, two 15. I got the baby all, but I don't know what he working with. I'm saying, so what is it? I'm funny, I tell jokes, I dress pretty good, you know what I got Ralph Lawn, I got Tommy Hill Ficker, I got Lee and Calvin Klein. Yeah. So what is it? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:19 Okay, them guys getting money. Yeah. What is it? What are they doing that I can't, man, please. Right. Are you absolutely right? Hey, that's what, that's mainly, you know, I would say mainly in football, but, you know, I would say mainly in football, basketball.
Starting point is 00:33:36 That's what these young dudes thinking, bro. They're trying to contribute to where they can get a huge contract. You know, do they want to win? Yeah. But at the same time, hell, I want to be involved. Joe, don't boy worry about that money on, Joe. But most of the time, you know, the boy get exposed when the time coming to show up and you're the focal point
Starting point is 00:33:56 and you can prove you worth whatever those MAC dollars are. Yeah. Half of them don't show up to the party, Joe. But unlike us, Ocho, once that five years, 122, that's guaranteed. He can drop down to four points a game. Yeah. He's going to get that money, all of it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:15 Paulo Bancarro got that five, 245. Yes, sir. He's getting all of that. Yeah. Yeah. It ain't no, well, he's five where he got $100 million. No, no, no, no, no. That's five for $2.45.
Starting point is 00:34:26 Paulo Bancarro is getting all of that. That's sitting stone. No matter what. Check is getting all of that. No matter what. No matter what. Not unless they do something to agree. Now obviously anytime you deal with that kind of money,
Starting point is 00:34:38 there are morality clauses in there. Right. But as long as you, hey, as long as you go play basketball and you don't run a file, you're gonna get up all that. Hey. And so guys, and I'm looking at it, Ocho, I'm 22. So by the time I get up off this deal, guess what?
Starting point is 00:34:55 I'm 26. Been assigned another. They get another deal. I'll be 30 and I'll be getting another deal. So you're gonna get another one. Ooh. So think about it. By the time these guys 30,
Starting point is 00:35:10 they could be done signed $600 million in contracts. Oh, yeah. At 30. It's going to be something that's going to have that, yeah. Yeah, Ant Man. Ant Man go come back and make all NBA. Ant Man can be the first guy to make $80 million a year. Ooh.
Starting point is 00:35:25 80. 80 a year. It's probably, hey, it's probably going to be more than that considering his Adidas, his endorsements and all that. Yeah. Now, that's just on the court. We ain't talking about out the court.
Starting point is 00:35:37 Yeah. Yeah. So when you look at it, you look at it like that, guys sometimes, everybody says sacrifice, sacrifice, but I don't want to be the one to have to sacrifice. Right. Let him sacrifice.
Starting point is 00:35:54 I need my numbers. It's okay. You look, bro, you already got your money. You already got you. You're good. Yeah. Let me get my money. Then I think about sacrificing.
Starting point is 00:36:05 I think. I'll think about sacrifice once I get my breath. Yeah. Hey, they're a young team. Do I think they're a better team without KD? No, no, but they play better because they're not standing around watching what Katie does. Their guy, they kind of reverted back to what they were.
Starting point is 00:36:22 But if you think about it, they stayed close to home. They didn't send help the double team shingoo. Mm-mm. So now everybody stayed home. Now what do you do? It's like, well, damn. No, son, you got to go set a screen. You got to go dive to the ballot.
Starting point is 00:36:36 or something. Yeah. You just can't stand there. Yeah. Yeah. He can't throw the ball through, Ruy. He can't throw the ball through
Starting point is 00:36:42 Austin or smart or LeBron. You got to give him something. Yeah. Hey, you got to get a Lakers credit, though, because typically Singoon always has more than one assist fellas.
Starting point is 00:36:55 You know, they made him, they just, hey, they told Aidan guard him straight up. We're going to guard him straight up. Because one thing you can't do is let him come out here and have like no triple double numbers.
Starting point is 00:37:04 Yeah, you can live with 17 and less. All day long. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But don't let them have no eight, don't let them have no 10, 11 assists. And hitting these guys cutting back dough and all that, you can't let all that go on.
Starting point is 00:37:16 I thought the Lakers did a great job. But yeah, Houston got some work to do. They got some work. They do. They got some work to do. They need some guys to be available. Look at the game that the Nuggets won.
Starting point is 00:37:30 Look at Yokin's assist total when they win. Yeah. Look at his assist total when they don't. Yeah. Same thing with Shingoon. Now, go ahead and score. If you can score 40, bless your heart.
Starting point is 00:37:44 Yeah. But what we're not going to do is send a double, and then here you are getting guys wide open look at threes. And they're hitting. Nah, we're not going to do that. We're not going to do that. Right. But you know what?
Starting point is 00:37:55 Lakers moving on. I know what y'all talking about. Well, if they ain't going no further, I don't know how far they're going to go. But I know they're going to play on Tuesday night. Yeah, yeah. One team playing on Tuesday night. If your team, not the Lakers,
Starting point is 00:38:06 and they were playing against the Lakers in the first round, your season was officially over. That's it. Yeah. I like it. Turn out the lights. Yeah. They say that all.
Starting point is 00:38:20 Good things must end. Hey. They're going to be in for a good. Hey, they're going to be in for a good one boy. Oh, it's going to be a great. It's going to be great. You know, go, going to be goat. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:30 He got to be. LeBron, 28 points, 8 assists, seven rebounds. Next up, the defending champs. But OKC Thunder on Tuesday, JJ on LeBron. To me, he's had the greatest career of any NBA player. Rick says the locker room making the goat bad noise for LeBron James after the game. He said, hey, we already know.
Starting point is 00:38:52 Hey, this out, guys are gonna be find some very interesting takes on this one. According to Tim McMahon, after Kevin Durant's Burnt's account was leaked during the All-Star break, the Rockets team had a team meeting. And look, that was, there was a discussion. had amongst the players and they moved. I'm Luke Wilson. Join me each week for Film Never Lies.
Starting point is 00:39:12 Since retiring from the NFL, I've had a lot of my mind and now, I've got my own show. So if you're tired or lazy takes, if you want honest conversations, join us each week. Film Never Lies available on all TSN platforms in the IHeart Radio app. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:39:28 Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.
Starting point is 00:39:46 This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast.
Starting point is 00:40:04 It's a space. For honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Hey, I'm Jared Adano. You might know me as that loud guy who yells out, help on the internet. Help! Somebody! Please! But there's so much. more to me than that. I'm an actor. I'm a comedian, and recently, I've become quite the helper myself.
Starting point is 00:40:42 And on my new podcast, Hope from a Hypocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with my sage advice and thoughtful solutions. Sike, I'm a comedian. I'm not qualified to give good advice. Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant, recommend some of the most legally dubious advice known to man. If I'm calling you, even if you're on your phone, Let it ring twice. One ring is too scary. Cream of chicken suit. Hey, cream, cream a chicken suit.
Starting point is 00:41:13 This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from Hypocrite as part of the Mike Coulthura podcast network available on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. American soccer is about to explode. The World Cup is coming. Bramers sending on to Ernie.
Starting point is 00:41:34 Score at the chip. I'm tired. I'm Tom Boe. On our podcast, Inside American Soccer, you'll get the real storylines. I'm not worried about Policic. I'm not worried about Balagan. I'm not worried about McKinney. My only concern is what happens in the back. The biggest decisions. If you're going to look at stats and numbers, he has no shot at making this World Cup team. And the truth about the U.S. national team.
Starting point is 00:42:05 It wouldn't be a huge surprise if our team ends up in the quarterfinals or potentially a great run to the semifinals. The World Cup is almost here. Experience it all with us. Listen, Inside American Soccer with Tom Bogart and Tab Ramos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHeart Podcast presents Soccer Moms. So I'm Leanne.
Starting point is 00:42:32 Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips. wider. This is a podcast we're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games
Starting point is 00:42:46 in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drink. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white color or something here? Just a hit it. What are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Come on.
Starting point is 00:43:02 I would buy it. Cut through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky. I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You are. I'm not a killer. I love this team and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Move on from it. It was told as I as what I was
Starting point is 00:43:35 told. But like that part of KD when I say there's been an emotional roller coaster with KD this season, that's obviously a big part of it. Remember? He criticized Shingoon calling him a traffic cone. Who can't shoot or defend. Can't defend. Your franchise player can't shoot or defend. That's way bigger issue than my turnovers. He said that on his burner account.
Starting point is 00:43:59 He said that on his burner account. Check this out. Jabari Smith Jr. said, I can't. Jabari Smith Jr. Huh? This is what K.D. said about Jabari Smith. The burner account, allegedly, there's a burn account, that was leaked.
Starting point is 00:44:18 This is what he allegedly said about Jabari Smith, a junior, said, I can't trust Jabari. To me, a effing shot or get a stop. He's low key, the R word. Our word, yeah. Yes. He's slow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:37 He also called the rocket teammates, crayon eaters, allegedly. Hey, they that? So, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Y'all think this bigger than this injury that he had, meaning like he could potentially be moved, they can move on from this summer? I told you that yesterday. Y'all didn't want to hear me when I said that.
Starting point is 00:45:01 But I ain't, I didn't know the significance of our list. Like, I ain't know our list was going. I knew he had the burner account, but I didn't know where he was going at his teammate. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I knew the burner account was beat, was to, protect himself as well, you know, being that he couldn't answer certain things about himself.
Starting point is 00:45:20 But I heard the thing about his teammates as well. But you think he was really injured and maybe set out to prove a goddamn point? Nah, I can't see him doing that. I mean, we couldn't see him having a burn account either talking about his teammates. He's had one before, though, Ocho. Yeah, I remember he got in trouble with it before a while ago, but I'm just saying. was crayon eaters. If you eat crayons, what class are you in?
Starting point is 00:45:49 I mean, you know what I'm saying? If you eat crayons, what class are you in? Yeah. You're not playing with the regular students. You don't go to class with the regular students. Right. It's about 10 to 12 of y'all in the classroom. I'm just saying, everybody, everybody knows.
Starting point is 00:46:06 So if you don't, I promise you, if you didn't know what a crayon eater was, it was probably you. Mm. Mm. Mm. Yeah. Hey.
Starting point is 00:46:17 Hey, KD. played game one. Hey. Your grade, you didn't get letter grades. You got stars on your pork card. They gave you two cookies and a carton of milk, and you went back on your cot. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:32 Yeah. Hey, um, Katie played game, you play game one? He played game. He played game one and two. Every. No.
Starting point is 00:46:42 He gave, he was, our game three. He played game one and two. And he missed. No, he played, no, so he played game two and three, right? Yeah. Yeah. He was out game one, play games two and three. Yeah. And then miss four or five, six. So he missed four of the six games. Yeah. Probably, hey, I think he was hurt, but I definitely think he was, he's been a little frustrated too. Because, you know, his duties was, you know,
Starting point is 00:47:08 Katie Ludd, who, bro. He, he, he a natural. That's all he want to do. That's all he. Don't ask him to do all. all the other things. That's not what, and that's okay. He didn't sign up for that. KD don't want to lead no, hey, guy, let's have a team meeting. Katie don't want to be that guy,
Starting point is 00:47:23 hey, y'all come over to the crib or let's go do that. He wanted who played basketball. Katie is a professional basketball player. Yeah. Yeah. That's all he wants to do. And I ain't got a problem with it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:36 Hey, and not having a point guard, he had all them ball handling duties. So he played, he only played in game too. Joe. That was the only game he played in? The only game he played. Well, he had 20 points in that first half. Had 20 points in the first half and I think he ended up with 23,
Starting point is 00:47:51 end up having three in the second half. Yeah. Yeah. I think he was definitely frustrated. Obviously, having the ball handling duties not really been able to get to his spots because you got to understand they had him flustered because they was trapping him every time he came across course. Making him get that ball
Starting point is 00:48:07 with his hands. Making him give the ball up and he knew he wasn't giving it he wasn't getting it back. And I I think he got frustrated behind all that, but I do think he was injured too, though. Yeah, and here's the thing. And y'all can't make no shots to get these guys up off me.
Starting point is 00:48:23 There you go. See, if you, hey, Ocho, you get the double team. If I could throw the ball to somebody else and they start cooking, then I got, now y'all got to pay some attention to them. But because I ain't got nobody to help lead and lift this pressure off of me, they're gonna double me all day of day.
Starting point is 00:48:38 Yes, sir. And now you wonder why he's talking about you on his burner account. you know and no no disrespect you know but like i said look he's different everybody leads in a different way katy as a guy hey watch how i put this work in yeah look at what i do on the court yeah look at what i do in the locker room as far as how i go about my business i get my lift in i get my stretch in i go on the court I hammer that. That is leadership to him.
Starting point is 00:49:12 Some people want a guy that's going to, if things are going wrong, call a team meeting. Yeah. Some guy want a leader, hey, Ocho, Joe, hey, let's get together. Hey, I tell you what, we're going to go X, Y, Z, hey, we're going to Cancun. We're going to do this.
Starting point is 00:49:26 Hey, man, let's have a, hey, let's get together. Let's nightcap, fam, let's get together. That's leadership to some. That ain't what Katie is. Right. You can't ask him to be something that he's not. Because that's not the way he leads. He leads by example.
Starting point is 00:49:40 Y'all see the work, y'all see the prep work I put in? Yeah. Come watch me in the off season. Come to, hey, come to where I am in the off season. Let's get some work in. Let's go to the gym. Let's get some hooping up. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:49:51 That's how he wants to lead. Right. Everybody can't lead like LeBron and COVID. I mean, LeBron and Jordan, they, hey, do it. I will punch you your effing face. Hey, that's one way to go about it. This was going on. When they run this right here, be alert to X, X, Y,
Starting point is 00:50:10 Z. Yeah. LeBron is a different type of leader than COVID than Jordan. Right. Steph Curry is a different type of leader than LeBron, who's a different type of leader than KD. Yeah. So leadership comes in all, it all depends on what your team need.
Starting point is 00:50:26 Maybe the team need KD to be that, but that's not what he is. Based on his history, it would tell you he's not a guy that's going to probably call a team meeting. Right. Right. I'm with you on that. You got to accept somebody as they are. Not how you wish them to be.
Starting point is 00:50:44 Yeah. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, if you have guys, if you got a girl, except how she is, if you got it in the strip club, if you meet it and she was wearing risque clothing,
Starting point is 00:50:58 except her how she is. Yeah. Now you want her to wear a dress down to, and she's Amish. Now you wanted to wear a pants suit. Yeah. When you wear her she had on lace. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:12 Yeah. Hey, you know the first thing that we do, you know, you get, you get somebody, even if you met him, even if you meet him in certain conditions that aren't suitable for somebody that you want to spend the rest of your life with, or you want to, you want to claim. You feel, you feel you can save them, Joe. Yeah. We put that cape on. We feel I can, I can work with this.
Starting point is 00:51:35 Nah. Man, listen, listen. You can save her from the season. picture where she has she ain't got to pay no bills, but that's who she is. That's what you're going to save her from. Yeah. But when she got that body joke, okay, how did she get you? Right.
Starting point is 00:51:49 Hey, look, look, if you met her in the club, hell, don't get pissed off eight months from now. She's still going to the club. Hey. She wants to be there. Yeah. That's where you met. Come on, Joe. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:00 Dead ass. You know, you got Casman who meet, who meet people. It ain't just guys, but it's women, too. You know, you meet somebody in the club. and then eight months, ten months later, a year later, you pissed off because they keep going to the club. Well, hell, that's where you met him in. Or they keep going out, period.
Starting point is 00:52:17 Yeah. Why are you still going out? Why you feel you... What you mean? Oh, you thought that was going to stop because I met you? Is that what you stopped? Right. I tell you what?
Starting point is 00:52:29 Get you a pet boa. Get your reticulated python, a rock python, an anaconda. If you keep him in captivity, Does he still not need to eat rats, rabbits? He doesn't change because you change his environment. It is what it is. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:47 It's all about understanding that. Carnivores still eat meat, whether they're in the wild or they're in a zoo. Yeah. Seals, whether they're in the wild, they still go eat fish. Yes. I'm confused why you get somebody out of that environment and want them to change. there have been time that just look
Starting point is 00:53:10 there's not a 1,000% some people are willing to change some people like if he come get me he she come get me out of this I'm going to change but I should I don't want you to be mad if he or she doesn't and I think that's what a problem is
Starting point is 00:53:29 so if you want KD to lead to team meetings you should have probably left him where he was if you want somebody to show the young guys how to do it, how he's been able to stay elite for two decades, that's your guy. There you go. Yeah. That's your guy.
Starting point is 00:53:48 Hey, be the first, first guy in the gym putting their work in. When them young dudes come in, you see him working his ass off, that's how he's going to lead. And he's the last one in the lead. You feel what I'm saying? So, Joe, let me ask you this, though. Oh, Joe, and I want you to chime in also. Yes, sir. One of your teammates, Carson.
Starting point is 00:54:08 Man, Ocho's slow. He, he, he, he, he, Joe, one of your teammates. Man, man, Joe, a ball hog. Man, Joe ain't passing. Joe worried about Joe. Yeah. Yeah, Joe won't get to 20,
Starting point is 00:54:26 but the guy he guarding, going to get to 24. Hmm. How does the locker room come back from that? Ocho, I go to you first. That's it. For me, Bernard Count, Carson, saying I'm slow.
Starting point is 00:54:38 I'm gonna tell him, oh, this is how you feeling, but it's something you could have just, you know, you gotta say it to me personally. You ain't had to, you know, go that route. But this Sunday, I'm gonna show you what slow is. See, that's the only way I could fight back. Yeah. That's the only way I could fire back because now you,
Starting point is 00:55:00 you discrediting my game and how you feel, you know, I'm not as a value or an asset to what I do. Well, I'm getting paid millions of dollars to play a sport. Yeah. And you take a shot at my craft. Oh, he's slow. Okay, I'm going to show you. I don't do a fuck if you are the quarterback.
Starting point is 00:55:20 I'm sorry, my bad. My bad. But yeah, I'm going to show you. I like that challenge, Joe. That's how I take it. Now, maybe his teammates might not take it that way, but my mentality is a little different. But is that the Ocho in year five or six,
Starting point is 00:55:37 Or is that Ocho in year one or two? Oh, that's Ocho, year five and six. Yes. Hey, hey, one and two, I'm snapping, Joe. I mean, I'm snapping. Man, pussy ass. Yeah. Yeah, I'm snapping.
Starting point is 00:55:52 Boy, I'm talking about Ocho, yeah. Matter of fact, not even year one and two. Year four and on. Yeah. Oh, are you challenging me? Okay, bet. I'm going to show you. Joe, how do you handle that situation?
Starting point is 00:56:04 Man, hey, it's tough because, you know, like you said, you got guys who lead in many different forms and facets. You know what I mean? And if you're a guy who I labeled a ball hog and you don't play no damn defense, yeah. At some point, they're going to have to get rid of you because the team ain't following your lead, bro.
Starting point is 00:56:26 Correct. You know what I'm saying? Yes. So it'll be a huge division there. And, hey, look, the one thing that I've always known on good teams that I've played on, bro are that guys who really enjoy playing with each other and they hang out outside of just the court.
Starting point is 00:56:44 Exactly. Off the court. You know, when you don't hang out with your teammates, bro, it tells them a lot. Yes. It tells them a lot. It tells them to hell that you don't fuck with them, that you don't mess with them, my bad, that you don't mess with them. So I understand exactly what you, I understand exactly what you're saying.
Starting point is 00:57:02 And for me, I've always kept it in perspective and my performance. professional career because even as a young guy, Uncle Ocho, like when I played on veteran teams, man, them dudes, I always invited us out. We all hung out what I was in Boston playing with Torn and Paul. What I was in Phoenix playing with Steve Nass, Sean Marion,
Starting point is 00:57:20 Amari Stathamai. And when I got here to Atlanta, I tried to do the same. You know what I'm saying? We didn't just hang out when we was at practice. Yep. We did a lot of stuff outside of the gym. Going over each other's house playing games, going out, hanging out,
Starting point is 00:57:36 out to eat doing things like that. So I definitely understand what you're saying. I think it helps, it helps the relationship. When you build off the court, it helps a relationship on the court. Yeah. Yeah. I totally agree.
Starting point is 00:57:47 When I was in Denver, I was like, look, I got my mom, I got my sister in town, I got people in town. We win, let's go get something to eat. Yeah. Me and because it's like, I say, hey, we're going to get something to eat. So, hey, we call head, hey, we got 25. We got 30 people coming. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:03 Even sometimes, hey, they got people coming in and let y'all man i i know you ain't got nobody because a lot of time i was by my damn self yeah i come hang out with y'all yeah uh you know get some jokes in yeah he was in baltimore you know it was me ray uh rod woodson uh cori corey core harris a lot of times it was jamal hey jimal lewis yeah so we we did we did things together we go to ray house uh buffy uh ray's mom would cook yeah go to dc hang out they're like man come on i said man come on Come on, Sean. Come on, man.
Starting point is 00:58:39 So they got me out. Yeah. So, you know, but it's a part of it. And sometimes to build a team, you got to do sometimes, you have to do things that you don't really want to do. Absolutely. To show that you're not above them.
Starting point is 00:58:52 Right. That you are part of them. And it all goes to winning. We wanted, we were really, really close, guys. I'm talking about really, really, really close. Yeah. I mean, we went to movie together. We had bowling.
Starting point is 00:59:06 week eight and even Mike we'd have bowling as a team offense versus the defense yeah yeah we'd have gambling at Mike's house Mike would have Mike would have real life we'd have poker tables we'd have blackjack tables we'd have crap tables yeah yes and so you got there everybody got like 10 got like paper money whoever one the more had the most money you got jewelry you got that chip buy necklaces or you got he had a deal with a jewelry stone yeah so you had the most
Starting point is 00:59:36 money you get a gift card the end of the night you could go buy a five thousand dollar necklace or 10,000 dollar ring or something like that that's how Mike had it yeah yeah yeah we did a lot of stuff together and I think that is very very important it's very conducive to winning about to winning yeah they're team bonding team build yes yeah it helps it goes a long way and when you look at the the top echelon teams and pro sports that's typically what you have bro you you you pretty much had that. I mean, outside of probably who, Kobe when he played for the Lakers, because he didn't really hang with nobody like that? No. You know what I mean? But outside of that, for real, like, guys really, they really, really hung out with each other. They really mess with each other like
Starting point is 01:00:20 that. Hey, he really went on that friendly stuff, huh? Yeah, no. Kobe, yeah. He won't keep, hey, he will always want to keep one up you, have an edge on you. You know what I mean? Know your weaknesses, but he ain't want you to know he or type. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's how he was. Yes. But everybody, but, but, but let everybody tell him here with Kobe was their best friend. Right. After he could no longer be the Kobe that he once was, he became your best friend.
Starting point is 01:00:49 Yeah. Now, Jordan was different. Jordan take you out to golf, keep you out on the golf course. You play 36 holes. It didn't come drop. Keep you up all night, playing poker, playing all kind of car game. Yeah. And drop a hundred on your head.
Starting point is 01:01:06 How did he do that? Yeah, yeah. I mean, everybody tell the story. They don't know how he was able to play like he played or two hours of sleep. Yeah, yeah. Three hours of sleep. Hey, you remember.
Starting point is 01:01:16 Go play golf. He go play 18, 36 hole and come give you 40. The same day that he played 18 to 36 hole. How in the hell this man gave us 40? Yeah. That's crazy. Hey, you remember when Pat Riley was coaching the Knicks, Arkansas, Ocho.
Starting point is 01:01:35 And he was saying that Jordan was buttering up his teammates. I mean, he hit the opponents, you know, so they weren't. Hey, Pat, let's go out. Hey, Ocho. Hey, he buttered him up. So they wouldn't play his hard against him. So he come out here and tear their heart out. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:01:54 Yeah, man. I think that's the kind of guy, MJ was too, okay, Ocho. Yeah. You know what I mean, smiling. Hey, what's up, baby? How are you doing? How the family doing? Y'all like?
Starting point is 01:02:02 Everybody good? Tell your mama I said hello, man. Hey, and then he come out there and give you 50. Yeah. But I was like, like when guys come to town, Joe, I don't know if you did, I ain't picked nobody up. No, I ain't either, bro. I see you at the game.
Starting point is 01:02:20 Hey, man, how you doing sharp? I thought, no, you didn't think that. Yeah, yeah. I ain't talk to you and tell y'all going to come scoop you from the hotel. Hey. And I was even went on the road. I didn't go out of the hotel. I didn't leave my hotel.
Starting point is 01:02:33 Yeah. Yeah. I remember them days. Oh, Joe, we only got like two hours. What the hell we're going to do? By the time you come pick me up, we get to point A. By the time, it's already time to get back. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:47 They ain't giving us no time like, like y'all got Joe, y'all get in the night before and stuff like that. We ain't do that. We're getting in three 30. We're going to probably lay at 3.34 o'clock. By the time we get our deep plane, get to the bus, they load the buses up, get to the hotel.
Starting point is 01:03:03 It's 5.30. Got me to the 7 o'clock. Yeah. Hey. Any, any, anytime I had, you know, home boys coming town, Unk,
Starting point is 01:03:12 you know, it was about, maybe, we did maybe two, three games a year. We always put, they always pick the games based on the schedule
Starting point is 01:03:20 on who we plan, the better than team, or we all coming. Oh, yeah. I'm talking about, I'm talking about 30, sometimes 40 dudes, uh,
Starting point is 01:03:28 and I had, and I had everything. Now, you know, I'm going to have my people get the flights. your hotels and rent a car, everything taking care of. It's three to four, two to four people to a car. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:40 Everything's straight. Yeah. So I know you in town. I'm not going to see you when y'all get here Friday. I'm not going to see you Saturday. After that game, when that game, when the game going on, when I come out that tunnel, when I look in the family section, I'm going to see all them boys out the alley, all them boys at the pound.
Starting point is 01:03:59 Everybody out of the Liberty City. Oh, you, hold on, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, you're not different now. Oh, hold on. Now, when the home boy was bucket, yeah, big cow. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:09 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You went out, you went out with? You went out with? You play on Sunday? Yeah. Oh, no. No, no.
Starting point is 01:04:18 Hey. He told me to get off my feet come Saturday. He didn't say nothing by Friday. Hey. And I wasn't on my feet. Trust me. Hey, listen. I can't say the same.
Starting point is 01:04:28 Hey. But I went on my, I was off my feet. I was. Hey. In basketball, bro. In basketball, there's nights that we get in a different city. It may be 12, 30 at night. Oh, yeah, oh, guys stepping out.
Starting point is 01:04:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no, no, no, I'm going to be it. Yeah, look, we're stepping out. Hey, look, we can have a day in between or we can be playing the next day. Doos will still go out, okay, Ocho. Oh, no. Yeah, because look, especially on games you have back-to-backs,
Starting point is 01:04:57 you may not have shoot-around in the morning, so we may just meet, we just, The bus may be at four o'clock in the evening, so you got the whole day to count of rest. Ooh. Oh, yeah, there's plenty loopholes in there. Oh, no. Oh, no.
Starting point is 01:05:09 Like I said, Bucket, with a Bucket or Big Cal coming. It's like, look, man, my, look, I know my family was coming early because they don't do it with that cold. Right. Baltimore, I had a box. Me and Ray shared a box, Sarah to share the suite. So they come in any time. And they came early, and then when I was getting ready to break the record,
Starting point is 01:05:26 they came back later. They was in the box. Everything was cool. But my mom, my sister, them to kids, they coming early because my mom and my son, my mom would do it, my mom still would come, because she would go see my brother play in November, December. Yeah, Chicago.
Starting point is 01:05:39 She, it was easy for her to drive to Green Bay. But my sister, oh, give it that who we play. We could play Tampa Bay and Tampa Bay was terrible. Cincinnati, my sister coming in those first two weeks, those first two home games. Yeah. Preferably we had two games back to back because my sister would come in on that Friday,
Starting point is 01:05:57 she would stay all the way through. Yeah. would leave that Monday so she'd two games. That's it. My mom, kids, every once in a while, like the kids, my girlfriend would go pick them. Because back then, you know, the parents could walk the kids down, you know, be at the game and stuff like that. It was cool. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:16 Kids come to kids didn't matter. Kids, they care nothing about no cold weather. Kids ain't know nothing about it. But, you know, my sister like, nah, I said, I, hey, I go get them in September. Big Cincinnati, coming out there in November, December. Yeah. So I send my girlfriend on that mission. Go Brian Key, all right, Kayla would come. But, no, it's just a different scenario now.
Starting point is 01:06:40 So I think there's a greater chance Katie is not on Houston next year than he is. Do you really? I don't think that, fella. I'm going to tell you. Especially after that joke, that's hard. That's hard. You know, how do you come back and knowing how somebody really feel about you? Man, listen, Houston trying to win.
Starting point is 01:07:02 They ain't said, that. They want to win. And they know Katie a bucket. Now, if they had them a decent point guard this year, hell, who knows what could have happened in this series? You know what I mean? And I think that's how they're going to look at it. You know, despite what everybody may think about Katie,
Starting point is 01:07:17 the one thing Houston know is that he loves playing the game of basketball. He loved the game of basketball. Everybody, there's never been a debate about his devotion and desire to the game of basketball. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, hey, look, he ain't got no kids. Okay, Ocho. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:34 Yeah, that man ain't got no kids. Ain't got no kids. He ain't got no kids. He ain't got no distractions. That boy, he loved a game, bro. He married to the game. Yeah, that we don't know of. Nah, bro.
Starting point is 01:07:46 When you made that kind of money, you know about him. Yeah, trust me. Unless he got a real one. He got to have a real, real one. Yeah. You know, you got to have a zero eight. You got enough zeros. They all real.
Starting point is 01:08:03 You know, sometimes they don't like being in the shadow. They like being, you know what I'm saying, don't you? Yeah, yeah. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey,
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