Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: LeBron's comeback lifts Lakers + Scottie Pippen flip flops

Episode Date: February 29, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Gilbert Arenas react to LeBron's dominant 4th quarter giving the Lakers a win over the Clippers & Scottie Pippen switching sides on the GOAT debate. 0:00 Introduction03:45 Lakers overcome 21 point deficit to defeat Clippers 116-11213:50 Unc says Kendrick Perkins needs to stop the LeBron hate23:00 Unc says people shouldn’t expect LeBron to play back-to-backs - Gil says players today learned from players mistakes in the 2000s29:20 Scottie Pippen is back on MJ being the GOAT - Unc asking what he’s selling since he can’t make up his mind37:00 “Players then are resentful of the money and power of players today”44:00 The evolution of today’s youth and why kids today are ahead of their parents52:00 Haslem says LeBron can’t be his GOAT since they played around the same time - “Players always go back a generation before them” - Unc #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Please make sure you like and subscribe to gill's arena channel on youtube also like and subscribe to his personal youtube page that's no chill gill we got to get gill's uh subs up we got to get him to a million so he can get one of these gold plaques gill i know that i think you were there till halftime of the game the the Lakers game, down by as many as 21 points. They come back and beat the Clippers 116, was it 114 to 112? No, 116 to 112. We got a late dunk by Cam Reddish. 21 points.

The Lakers scored 39 points in the fourth quarter. 21 from Go James. He single-handedly outscored the Clippers by himself. The Clippers scored 16 in the fourth. James scored 19 in the fourth. Anthony Davis chipped in with 20 points, 12 rebounds, three blocks. D'Angelo Russell, D'Lo, he had a big three late in the

ballgame to put him up six. And he finished with 18.6 assists. We're going to start with... No. Okay. Let's go ahead and start with this game, Gil. You saw the game. You was there. The Lakers seemed like they were just going through the motion.

They were not rebounding. They were not playing any defense. And all they did was turn the ball over in the first half. Yeah, it just seems like, you know, with this group, they still don't have their stuff together. And it's weird because it's like, you know, we've been together a few months. It's after All-Star break.

We should be clockwork. And it still seems like they have no idea where each other should be, what each other wants to do. And it's weird because you watch the Clippers, and they look like they're in motion. I mean, they had, what, some points in the first half? And it's like, that's how we should be right now. And the fact that we're still in this

I might be traded phase, it's sad to see, but we got the win, so that's all that matters. Yeah, man. Rui has been played well since he's been inserted into the starting lineup. He gave them big minutes tonight, huge buckets.

Anthony Davis is doing what Anthony Davis does, challenging everything at the rim, giving you double-digit rebounds on a nightly basis. Only had 20 points, but he only had 15 shot attempts. D'Lo has been playing unbelievable. Alston Reeves has been Alston Reeves, steady, steady, steady. We didn't get great production off the bench, but we got enough because you needed something.

Norman Powell had 14 for the Clippers off the bench. Russ had 18, and Mason Plumlee had 18. P.J. Tucker got some great cardio in tonight. He was a zero across the board with the exception of two rebounds. So you got 30 points off the Clippers bench, and the Lakers had, they only got 14, but they really needed Cam Reddish to play some really solid defense. But the story of the night was LeBron. And we've been waiting for him to have one of these virtuosos where we know he can take the game over because if you followed him at any point in time through his illustrious 21 year career, you

know he still has these in him. And I know they don't come with the regularity that they did early in his career. Say the first 10 years or maybe year 11 through 16, but he has it in him. And when they needed it tonight, he got it going in the fourth quarter

Gil. What did you see and how was he able to get it going i didn't see shit i was on the freeway driving here i gotta watch the replay but that's what made greats great right when when you really need to turn it on and you they you really need them to perform at a high level they they can tap into it, no matter how old they are. When we needed Dwight Howard in that bubble against Denver, his greatness defensively showed, right? When you're talking about towards the end of the season, going into the playoffs, the greats don't need to be great every single time, especially at his age. He just needs to be great when we

needed him to, and tonight it seems like that's what he did while my ass was on the freeway. You know, and you're right, Gil, what the greats can do, although they can't summons it up with the regularity they once could when they were younger. Pause,

I know everybody's going to say, what you mean summons it up? They still can do it. And that's what you have to be careful of because we saw Kobe, even though he shot the ball as many times as he did, given his final game, he got to 60. That lets you know he still had it in there and he could still reach down into that reserve

and pull it out. I don't know if we, it's been a while since we've seen LeBron James shoot the ball this well, not only from two point range, but from three point range. And it was the three point range that got, that once he saw the first one go in, it's like all of a sudden he's like, man. And then when you knew something was going on, when he came down on the corner on the side and pulled up in front of the Clippers bench

in front of Norman Powell, I said, oh boy, y'all got hell on your hand now. Because the one thing you don't want to see a player like him, the greats could all do it. Kobe, the Jordans, the LeBrons, the KDs, the Steph Currys. Those guys see a couple go in

and they smell the blood in the water. They can see the blood in the warm water and all of a sudden it's a frenzy and everything they put up seemingly is finding home. Yeah, that's the NBA motto. I don't know if it's like that in football but for the most part, once we see a few go down

that oven's hot. Hence why when a player is trying to get warm and the whistle blew and he shoots it and someone goes up and blocks it, the reason they block it is because they don't want that player to see the ball go in.

I don't want you to let it go in. I don't want you to see it go in. All you need is the visual. Boom. Okay, bucket. Let's go. Let's get heated. You can go 0 for 10 and that shot after goes in now you 10 for 10 so the player is having a rough time you want to keep him from scoring any kind of basket you know so what lebron seemed to do tonight is like anybody when you see

the balls is is finding his way in that rim anything you throw up you know has a magical way of going in i'm just trying to figure out how this man drives the ball as much as he does and he shoots one free throw tonight. I know it's year 21 and he doesn't drive with the veracity

or the ferocity that he once did, but he still puts the ball on the floor and drives the ball to the basket. And the calls that they give James Harden or the calls that they give some of these Ayanis, I mean, and plus, Lord, don't even look at Joel Embiid. They're going to call a foul when you look at Joel Embiid.

He's shooting 20 a night. LeBron shot one free throw tonight, one. Okay, we have this it's backwards thinking. You don't want to be strong in the NBA. No. You can penalize

for it. Yes. Shaq. You know, Shaq, LeBron, even Giannis. Even your, right, the guys who can take the hit, they expect you to take the hit. So when he goes to the lane, he's not allowed to, no, you're supposed to finish that, right?

Now, he has to be crybaby James to get the foul. So now he has to over-exaggerate hits. Joel Embiid. Now he has to flop to sell the hit because if he goes in there and he runs through somebody and he gets hit and he dunks it, they're not calling that. Right.

He has to scream, oh, oh, oh, and do all that extra. Then he gets called. One. Look at him flopping. But that's the way the game is right if i go to the lane if i go to the lane and i get touched foul there we go you know that's why these younger smaller guards skinnier guards getting more foul than the stronger guys who drive all day yeah because the thing is but i'm not sure that's what Dr. Naismith intended, that if you're big and you're strong, ref, you don't call a foul.

I mean, a foul is a foul, whether you're Shaq size 7'1", 325, 340, or you're De'Aaron Fox. And the thing was, but tonight, he really didn't need to drive the ball because he saw the ball go in. And he's 7 of 12 from the three-point line. He's 13-21. I mean, I think he's shooting like 40% from the three. No, no, he's...

But he's never been a bad three-point shooter. That is just a bad... His first year, he was shooting about 35% from the three-point line. Just like Zoe, right? Lonzo Ball.

Yes. Lonzo Ball was a bad on-the-dribble shooter. Very great spot-up shooter. Look at the totality of his hole. He can't shoot. No, no, no. He can shoot if he's wide open. Like, you have him at the shot.

He can wind it up. Very great shooter. When he's dribbling and doing a little step-back yeah that's not his game that's not he's not dame he's not steph curry he's not gonna be able to gather like that and let it go and make it with consistency he might hit one or two but he's not uh i'll get perk man ain't nobody trying to hear that shell and sharp just get ready to pay your bet no no no no no no, no, no, no. I'm going to need that. You wanted to bet. Oh, Perk. Hey, Shanae. Hey. Hey, Shanae. You got my money.

That's what I'll let you know. You and Stephen A. and Perk, y'all have so much to say. Oh, the Clippers going to blow the doles off them. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Man, what's wrong with them? Oh, Perk. I don't know

what happened to Pert. He stayed out in Beaumont all the time now and he's dragging that nasty water down in Beaumont and Galveston and he just done forgot about Goat James. And Sinead, I don't know. Sinead, I mean, we only had one interaction. But it's not going to

last, go much longer, Sinead, if you keep talking crazy about Goat James. And Stephen, I told you. When to last, go much longer, Jenea, if you keep talking crazy about Go James and Stephen A. I told you. Hey, when you bought them Bostons, they got that deer down hate for LeBron James. Yeah! You can't shake that. I mean, come on, Park.

I mean, I know he gave it to you when you was in Boston. He gave it to you, went to OKC. He gave it to you again. I mean, what the hell? That's been like a decade ago. Let it go. I mean, even the Hatfields and the McCoys have made them.

Men, they ain't fighting no more. But that was as good. That's LeBron. That is LeBron James, and that's what makes him great is to be able to sum it up in the fourth quarter. And that's the thing, Gil, with a team or a player, it doesn't matter if you have 50.

Can you give me 10? Can you give me 12 in the fourth when you absolutely have to have it? And I'm glad they were able to finish this off because you know what they're going to say. Yeah, he did that and they were down. But nah, they came all the way back. And we saw big buckets. We saw Anthony Davis chip in.

We see Rui chip in. We see D'Lo chip in. We see guys making plays. But LeBron, I I mean I did not see this I was like bro I need you to be more aggressive because he shot a high percentage he just didn't have a whole bunch of shots yeah

I still got that memory of that first half and trust me I was ready to leave I was ready to leave at halftime I'm not even going to lie to you this is what I came to even going to lie to you. This is what I came to see. Now I got to hear all these Clipper fans. Yeah.

Hey, but they ain't got no old Clipper Darryl. Nah, you ain't celebrating. Marcellus Wiley, you ain't got nothing to celebrate. I don't want to hear nothing about Paul George. Because y'all know every year at some point in time, he might miss the entire playoffs. So will Kawhi. So this notion about, oh, if we'd have had

them, go back and check the history since they've been there. How many times in meaningful games have you had them or both of them? You know what's happening. You know what it is. Go James 21 years. I think he's going to play. I, you know, look, they talk

about he wants a three-year deal, whatever what he's, whatever he's asking for. You know, look, they talk about he wants a three-year deal. Whatever he's asking for, you can't pay him enough. Because who else you going to replace? Who you going to put in that jersey? Obviously, who wants to wear 23 after he's worn it and they've retired

six around the league? Who wants to wear 23 after he done worn? Even if you could wear 32 or you could wear 34, or you could wear 8 or 24 or 33, why would you want to? Why would you want to wear 13, a chamberless

number? What? Hey, listen, listen. I'm just going from my little birdies, my little birdies that's flying out there. They're not too happy that he won't come back two more years. Of course.

It's a lot of money. What is it going to be? What, three years, like 180? 150,000? $150,000? $180,000? Because if he's making next year, he has a player option at about $51.5 million, $51.9 million,

$52 million. So if he opts out, obviously he's looking to get a raise. So you do a two-year deal plus a player option. Well, at $65,000, $66,000, at $41,000, yeah so you do a two-year deal plus a player option well at 65 66 me at 42 39 at 41 42 years of age you know damn well he picking that up where are you gonna go make 62 65 million dollars yielding fucking excuse me at 42 years of age and 42 years of age i know right now you know

his greatness basically has Lakers handicap. In a sense, I'm sorry. And it's one of those things is you're in the bind. You can't trade him. You look dumb, right? All hell breaks loose if you trade him. And so

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Dirk Nowitzki numbers in this year but he's outscored every other player combined that's played in their 21st season and he's still giving you, at no point in time did any of the greats play in year 21. There went on a handful. Obviously, they're in the Hall of Fame. Robert Patterson is in the Hall of Fame. Dirk's in the Hall of Fame. I'm trying to think of who else played.

I think Kevin Willis played 21 years. Kevin's not in the Hall. Vince Carter has the potential to be in the Hall. At no point in time could they give you this, what he gave you tonight. At no point in time were they averaging. He's averaging 25. 7 and 8.

Yeah, it's... It's hard, Gil. Yeah, it's going to be hard, but what he's doing now, that's where the future's going. He's given the blueprint to last this long. Right?

I don't know if you know this, but I remember when it came in and Kenyon Martin reminded me today. Back around 2007, do you know we had outside companies coming in, you know, testing our energy levels.

Yeah. I don't know if you guys did that in the NFL. Testing our energy levels to see how much production we're pushing out and how fast we're recovering. Right. And this goes to the load management. I don't think the media knows that for a long time, players wore chips. You know how you wore the little things? They did that after I left.

Yes, they did that after I left. They have it in their shoulder pads now. Okay, so they determine how long players are going to practice due to what the output is pushing out. Right. So once you hit a threshold of what they expect from your body, you're done. Right. So let's say somebody like Westbrook and Giannis, they're looking at, OK, his body tempers are going to hit a lot higher than someone else's because the way they move. Yeah. Yeah. Players is getting load management in practice. Wow. So back then, there was a time,

I know it was like right after, because when I got to Orlando, it was the first time that I was getting blood tested. Right. They can tell me exactly what I'm supposed to eat. Yes. You're not allowed to eat sugar, a little bit of fish, a little bit of chicken.

Yeah. In a few months, we got blood tested, regulated, so we know what we're supposed to actually put in our body. So talk about the load management and lasting. It's all a machine now. So it has nothing to do with the players. Even in practice, players, 20 minutes in a practice, like, yeah, you got to get off the court. Yeah, you're done.

He's like, well, no, no, no, no. Now, think about it. When you're trying to break a starting lineup or get some minutes, you do it in practice. And they're like, no, no, no, no. You're 20 minutes is up. Sit down. Right. So seeing LeBron today, we will see the future playing 20 something years at this high level.

Wow. That's I mean, that's unbelievable. Well, yeah, considering a lot of the physicality that used to be in the NBA is no longer there. It's kind of like the NFL. You're going to see players

play a lot longer, especially the quarterback position. You're going to see these quarterbacks. Now, I'm not saying they're going to be Tom Brady, but you're going to see a lot more guys get into their upper teams because of the physicality, the punishment that you used to put on the quarterback, landing on top of him, driving him into the ground, hitting him, spearing him with the helmet, even the hitting after they released the ball. They've taken that out of the ball game and even some of the other players

uh uh the defenseless receiver you can't punish the intimidation factor is that they've tried to penalize it out find it out of the ball game but but for lebron james to be playing at this level and it's not like you know like like kareem kareem with mosey on down he's a b you know he get down hey he get the rebound, passing the magic. Either they got the break or they pull out. Okay, well, we got to wait for Cap to come on down. All right, Cap, what block you going on? Okay.

Hey, you go to one side of the other. You throw it to the hand. He turn around, throw the sky hook. LeBron James is playing 37. He played 37 minutes tonight, and he's pushing. He's getting up and down. He's still chasing down. He's still chasing down. He's still playing at a high level.

Now, obviously, the back-to-back, he's not going to play the front end of a back-to-back or the back end of a back-to-back. And we understand that. Nobody should expect LeBron James to play in year 21 to play a back-to-back. No, I mean, listen. We talk about the 90s, right?

They had a lifestyle, right? Back then, they were little partiers, little drinkers, right? You know, Dennis Rock, we're going far. There's no more those type of guys in the NBA now. Yeah. In the early 2000s, same thing.

Big change, this and this. Right? The hangout all the time. These guys now get to look at where everyone failed. Yes. Okay, he started his diet at 38 or 37 or 34. I'm going to start it at 25. Correct. I'm going to start it at 25. Okay, he started his diet at 38 or 37 or 34. I'm going to start it at 25.

Correct. I'm going to start it at 25. I'm going to start going to bed here. So the guys now looked at where everyone failed and said, okay, you took yoga here, Kareem? Okay, I'm going to start taking yoga too. I'm going to start taking the Pilates too. So these guys are keeping their bodies a little bit longer because they're paying attention to greatness and what made greatness great. And the thing is, Gil, guys

are looking now, theoretically, Jason Tatum can theoretically make a billion dollars in his career. Guys, it's not going to be absurd to believe that a guy that's like a Jason Tatum or a Luka or Ant-Man, that in 15 years could have made a billion dollars.

But Jason Tatum's going to get a contract down there for $400 million. Yeah. And he's, what, 25, 26 years of age. So he plays that. So now he goes and gets another one at 30, 31. Another $400 million. So now, in 15 years, he's made 800, 900 million dollars. So guys are looking like, hold on. I understand. Yeah, I got business ventures that that's going to set me up.

But I can still play. I can play this game that I love, take care of my body and still grow this portfolio. Make a billion dollars, do another $300-400 million off the court. I think guys are looking and like you said, they see a wise man learn from others' mistakes. A fool will learn from his own. The wise men, like you said, are

looking. Man, LeBron James had Mike Macias at year one or two. He was having a personal shelf at this this and this and he had this and okay so that's what it's gonna take maybe I don't everybody is not gonna get a billion dollar shoe deal everybody's not gonna have a signature a PE a shoe signature PE shoot. But three, four, five hundred million dollar contracts. Look at Yoke. What's Yoke going to get in the next two years?

He's going to get five hundred million. Yeah, you see, like, the guy like somebody like Yoke, he's talking about five years, he'd be, what, 34, so he's not that guy. You're talking about the Ant-Man. The Ant-Man. The Lucas. Yeah. Those about the Ant-Man. The Ant-Man. The Lucas.

Lucas. Yeah. Those are the guys, like, that's going to be touching the billions. The billions. Yes. Because, you know, they got the style of play. Yes. They have the game, the marketing, right? And they're here at the right play. Yes. They have the game, the marketing, right?

And they're here at the right time. Yes. Because LeBron, just thinking LeBron had came in in 2010, and he played 21 years. He's going to make $2 billion. He's going to make $2 billion. Because look at the numbers. So his first max contract, you know,

I remember when Mike Conley got a contract and he was like 130 million. Like, oh my gosh. Now you get $130 million contract. That's in two years. It ain't no five-year deal. It's a two-year deal. My first deal was six years, $64 million, right?

As a second round player. Okay. When I signed my deal. Kobe Bryant and the Max players was $79 million. They were seven years, $79 million. Six years. So I was, by the time I came in just be averaging 18 i was only 15 million dollars less than a max player wow right that money creep up fast and it does yeah that's uh

so in the fourth quarter lebron james had 19 points on five made three the clippers had 16 points on one May 3. Great game for the Lakers. They needed that. That's the last time the Clippers will play the Lakers as the home team in the building next year. Obviously, they moved to their new building. It's going to be interesting to see. Did you say what?

The Clippers as a home team. Brother, they wasn't a home team. That was a Laker crowd. Listen, I don home team. Brother, they wasn't a home team. Oh, that was the Laker crowd? Hey, listen. I don't know. Listen. The reason Clippers never have a home game against the Lakers because they are the Clippers.

And they're in L.A. So all the Lakers show up to get them front rows for them cheap seats. Going to a Laker game costs your arm and a fist. Hey, listen, I got a suite for $8,000 when that same suite cost me about $25,000.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I might even get courtside tickets to the Clippers game. Hey, them Lakers, you're talking about probably about three quarters to a million dollars for every game.

But it was a good game. Congrats to the Lakers. Big win. They needed that. Now they got some games at home over the next – I think they're home at least the next week. But they needed this win. Now it's time for our first segment of the night

it's called news cap let's take a listen scotty pippen now back in on mj as the goat let's take a listen to what scotty had to say about mj on his on their Horace Grant Luke Longley tour. Was Michael the best or the greatest ever? For sure. I mean, you look at the MVPs that he was able to achieve, but I think it was all brought from us being successful as a team.

Obviously, someone is going to bring those accolades home, but yeah, he was the greatest player, definitely in basketball. Okay, at first it was Michaelael then it was lebron and then he said all these things in his memoir about michael and now he's back now he's back on on what's okay what's he selling what he got out there but he got does he got a wine does he got a book does he got a wine? Does he got a book? Does he got a newspaper? Is he selling cars? What's he selling? He has a last name called Pippin, right? Pippin?

Them Pippins is tripping right now. They chasing that Jordan blood. He got his wife out there leaving and coming back. She doesn't realize, God damn it, I need the Jordan brand. Now the real Pippin, no bulls to her realize, no, no, no, no, no.

You need Bull. His ass is back, Mr. Jordan. I just think that just with the Pippen, you just got to follow Michael Jordan at this point. God dang. I'm just trying to figure out, if you feel a way, you feel a way. There's nothing. I feel a certain way about a certain player.

No matter what happens between me and said player, that doesn't change it because you and I might have had a falling out. That doesn't change what you've done. That doesn't change how I feel about you. I might not like your ass personally, but what you did on the field, what you did on the court, what you did on the baseball diamond or the field, that doesn't change. So I'm just trying to figure out why. I mean, I've seen fish.

I had fish caught on the bank that did less flopping than this. Listen, they listen. That's the problem with being number two. Nobody cares about number two and three and four. I'm sorry, right? Hey, we didn't come to see you, Otis. Everybody came there to see Michael Jordan, right? Well, I'm trying to figure out who in the hell else could have played.

I don't give a damn. I mean, if you really think about it, who else could you put beside Jordan? If you take whomever else that you have on Mount Rushmore, if you put them beside Jordan, especially, especially now, it might, because see, let's just say for the sake of argument,

Gale, Michael Jordan is Michael Jordan, but he ain't got no shoe. So, he got regular shoes, and he ain't got no shoe so he got he got regular shoes and he ain't got no Aaron's shoes and he can't fly but he's still Michael Jordan it's just one of those things where I think they thought that they were going to get off

and reality kicked in because if you listen to why they were mad it was dumb reasons Horace grant oh they didn't they didn't they didn't tell me that they didn't say that i talked back to michael jordan i want the world to know that i talked back to michael jordan so you think they was going to spend 15 minutes on a dock for you to talk back to michael we don't care about you talking back to Michael Jordan. Sorry, son.

What's wrong with you? Are you average? I don't know what you average, but obviously we didn't care because they done traded your ass and bring in somebody else and they still won three championships. This is crazy.

Like, who do they think they, the problem with the tour is, besides Pippen, the rest of y'all, no one cared. Okay, you and your goggles can get the hell on. I think the thing with Luke is that he was saying, like Jordan said, you know, he gave Luke a compliment against Utah. I think he had like 14 points in the first quarter.

He said, Luke, you play unbelievable. They ended up losing the game by 30, and Luke had 14 in the first quarter, and he you play unbelievable they end up losing the game by 30 and Luke had 14 in the first quarter and he finished the game with 14 and he said that's the last time I'm giving you a compliment the only problem that I had the only problem that I had I mean Jordan said what he said he did what he did we knew I mean I'm old enough to remember Jordan so I didn't really obviously behind the scene was great but when he brought Scottie Pippen into it because he wasn't there when Scotty wouldn't go back into the ballgame. So I don't know how that's a part of his story. It's like me and you, it's like me and you, it's like me and you, Gil.

And you do something like the incident that happened. And it happened before Shannon gets there. But I do my story and I include you in it. You're like, man, you weren't even there. Why the hell are you talking about what happened? You weren't even there. Now, obviously, he had great insight. I'm sure, you know, he was still talking to Phil.

I don't know. He didn't have no great relationship, so I know he ain't getting no information from J.Crowse, but he still had guys on the team that I'm sure that was friendly with Mike. Yeah, of course. But, yeah, he could have left it out. guys on the team, then I'm sure that was friendly with Mike. Yeah, of course. But so, yeah, he could have left it out.

I heard Pippen and Pippen's argument is valid, but it's not reality, right? I don't know why you're drawing up a play for this guy. I'm Scottie Pippen. I'm this and I'm an MVP candidate. That's all great. But are you a finisher? Do you hit game winners? Do you take big shots?

Some of you, some guys just are not that guy. Right. Westbrook has the gripe and say, well, I'm Russell Westbrook. I'm averaging a triple double. I need to take the last shot. No, you don't. No, you don't. We know you do not. Right. No, you don't. No, you don't. No, you do not.

No, you do not. Be honest. Come on, goddammit. I got Dame. Dame, Dame, take that last shot. You know what I mean? What he's saying is valid because of the name, but not valid because of your skill. This is the coach.

Y'all got championships. He drew the player for the guy who had the best chance of making it. And sorry to you and the fact that this is a three-time NBA champ and you refuse to come in the game. Don't let

me know that. Because you guys' narratives are saying... It changed a lot of people's perception of him, though. You can't do that. You can't know that. Right. Because you guys' narratives. Yeah. It changed a lot of people's perception of him, though. You can't do that. Can't do that. You can't refuse. Gil, you can't refuse to go into the game.

Okay, they draw the play up. The play ain't coming to me. I ain't running no route. I ain't going. What? Now you see why I have a problem with the 80s and the 90s. Because the narrative about the guys today, pre-Madonna's and his. And I'm like, wait, hold on. Do you guys know who you were when you got playing?

The problem is, Gil. Because social media did. If a player did that today and said, oh, y'all, y'all do. If Yada said, I'm not going in the game, if y'all giving the ball a day, there would be a fucking uproar. Yes. But you did the same thing. So I'm the type of guy like, hold on. I'm going to raise my hand and say, I'm going to call. You did it, too, sir. Gil, a lot of what the players are, the players of the old are resentful of

is the power and the money that today's players have. And even Michael Jordan did not have the power of Steph Curry, of LeBron James, because he tried, when LeBron James was in he tried, when LeBron James was in his prime,

when he was at Cleveland, if they could make it, if they was willing, if somebody was willing to trade, there's not a player that, Jerry Kraus was like, nah, you don't tell us who to draft, we're going to get who we want, and we don't want no more of them sorry North Carolina players. And no, he can't, I mean, so

the players then, they're resentful because the players can move freely. Michael Jordan, that couldn't go nowhere. You're like, you used to play for me and you don't play at all. It's really that simple. But that's the thing. We have the power because of you guys. Yes. You got the little power that you guys have because the generation before you.

The generation before you. It's a trickle effect, right? If you listen to the older guys, when Michael Jordan made that $30 million a year, what did you think they were saying? Yeah. You make it six. Like, every generation hates the next one. This generation right now making 50 million. When they start making 75 and 100, they like, man, it's that's that's like, man, everyone moves the needle and do their part.

Right. And the fact that when you guys throw shots at them, you have somebody who's research to this is a hold on. I'm going to throw shots back. Right, I'm going to throw shots back. I'm going to throw shots back. You calling us prima donnas? Hey, there's a group called Detroit Pistons. They say y'all was prima donnas too. And y'all had the rule because they

was bullying y'all. Y'all won championships, not with your team. You won championships with our team. You bought with our team you bought all our players but you you let you let Isaiah Thomas talk he gonna say well if you look at the Bulls team when they won that look don't that look like the Detroit Pistons we can rough that by our own teammates you know what I mean so there's history sometimes you just got to enjoy the game no matter how it looks it's not going to look the way it looked when you played it.

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you and they got coaches. I mean, your son probably had a coach where you were an NBA player. You know, you was coaching your son, an NBA player at five, six, seven years old.

They didn't have that. Their dads wasn't in the NBA. They didn't. And they didn't make any money that was going to pay for a personal coach. Now guys can do that on their own. If they don't have time to coach and train them themselves. So guys are better.

The sooner you do things, the better you're going to get at it. So I'm not saying everybody look. There are more guys. If you think about it, think about how many guys can shoot the equivalent of Larry Bird from the three.

And Larry Bird was thought of as a great three-point shooter. Think about how many guys got a better percentage. You'd be surprised of how many guys got a better percentage and he won three three-point competitions that shoot the three ball better than he is. He did. So it is okay. I don't get upset.

I take it for what it is. Hey, Kelsey and them and all these guys, hey, give them their credit. Hey, he the GOAT. Gronk and Gates and all these guys, hey, I did what I did. I love the era in which I played in, but I'm willing to give guys credit. I ain't taking nothing from them. Like even with my son, right, And with Steph Curry. Steph Curry's the best shooter because his dad was a shooter

and his dad, what his dad learned by the time he retired, he instilled it into his son, right? So same thing with me. Everything I learned, all the tricks I learned and did and the training I did, I get

to start my son at 12 with the same mentality. So now, my son has Jason Tatum moves in high school. So by the time he gets to the pros, if he gets there, his bag and package will be totally different than mine.

Yes. Point of evolution. And that's what people don't understand. The guards of then, Isaiah, Tom, you have nothing, no offense. At 6'1", you're fast and quick. At 6'4", I'm faster, I'm stronger, I'm more explosive, I'm more dangerous offensively right you were very great in your time can't take nothing away from you but what I got to do is I had I got to learn what you did

add my sauce add this that's just how it is people don't understand that with the Kobe's the Jason Tatum's they get to look at the package yes and steal everything steal it boom and add on to it it's just that's the game The Jason Tatum's. They get to look at the package. Yes. And steal everything. Add it, steal it, boom, and add on to it.

It's just, that's the game. Or they call it, in music, they call it sampling. I'm a maker. And that, but Gil, and what I tell guys, I say, guys, like when I was in the league, there were only a handful of guys, myself and Colts, Novacek, Brent Jones. There were only a handful of guys that could legitimately, really when you got down to it, it was just me and Colts in the mid-90s, that could go get you a thousand double-digit touchdowns. Now, there are more guys that can do what only a handful of could do.

So when Isaiah was handling the ball like he could, there's two or three guys on the team that can handle the ball like Isaiah can. And Rod Strickland with that package. You got several guys that got a package like that. Now, I'm not saying that, but look at Kyrie. We didn't think we'd ever see a guy like a Rod Strickland or a guy like Isaiah or a guy like Jason Williams.

And Kyrie, what Kyrie can do with the ball is and one Harlem Globetrotters. And he can finish with either hand at the rim. And he's a three-level scorer. At the paint, either. And at the rim, either hand. Mid-range, free. Filing. He go to the free throw line,'ll make somewhere between 87 and 90 percent of

his shots but there are a lot of guys that can do what only a handful could do back then and i don't know why they don't want to give them credit it's called evolution your kids probably are smarter and can do things easier than what you could yeah i. I know my kids, look, they might not have the depth, but I'm talking about this like general knowledge. Man, them kids, the work, the school work that they were doing,

man, they doing stuff in the third and fourth grade the hell I was doing in high school. Yeah. I could do that homework. They're like, Dad, I got some homework. I said, okay. I'll call you a tutor. I can't help you. You're going to do the hard work. They're like, Dad, I got some hard work. I said, okay, I'll call you a tutor. I can't help you. You're going to fail the class, man.

But just like in football, at some point as a quarterback, there's going to be a switch thrower. There's going to be a guy. And then once the one comes in, everyone after him will be taught to throw with their right and their left just as accurate. That's coming. That's the evolution. You know what I mean?

And I don't think people factor in any of that. Like, I remember when I came in, I came in 2001. And I remember my first time against John Stockton and Gary Payton, right? I frightened because the ideal of what I used to watch, Gary Payton getting that glove, get that little smirk, boom. What happened was after I got that first hit, no, it ain't not like that, right? The things that they're trying to do, that doesn't work against me. So first time I said, all right, hey, Antoine,

hey, dip out. I'm about to see how fast he really is, right? And took off on him. Meet me at the rim. Like, oh my God, he can't even stay in front of me. Now you look at year two, Gary Payton, John Stockton, it's boom, boom, boom. Then from there, all these defensive rules that they were in, they're non-existent.

It is outdated, right? It's an outdated system. It was like people don't realize. People think AI changed the point guard position. AI was a shooting guard. I was the point guard that changed it. I was the aggressor in it. I was the,or in it. It was me.

I was the top scorer at 28-29. Number two was Mike James. Number three is Mike Bibby. Think about the names I'm saying. Mike James, Mike Bibby at 18 and 19 and 17.

It was still those type of guards. You know, Jason Kidd, you know, Tony Parker. It wasn't guys that are trying to score 30 on you. Right. These guys are trying to run offense. I'm trying to embarrass you. So how are you going to play defense against me when you got to run your team

and then you got to play defense against a dude who's trying to score like a Kobe Bryant? Right. Now every guard is that. Yes. All these guys are twos masquerading as points. Darren Fox ain't no point. James Harden is a two.

Russ was a two. Steph Curry is a two. These guys, Draymond Russ' offense at Golden State, Steph is a two. Those guys are two was masquerading. Give those guys credit, but when you look

at what they've been able to do, evolution, I just wish, and I would just wish the old guard would give the new guard credit because they make it seem like they're bums and they're not. And they're not. They can say what they want. I know one thing

they can't do, guard them. They can say what they want. You can't guard them. The reason you can't guard them is because y'all didn't play like that for you to even know these movements. you never played backfelling in the whole game you never played with a guy like james harden sitting there trying to be no this ain't that bring it back down let the big man get the cross screen pass it down to

him you didn't no no no john stockton i'm gonna walk you all the way down to the free throw line and then set the pick right here. If I walk you down to the free throw line, you can post up, little man. This ain't no, like, you can't even post. Steve Nash, let's get to the block. Now, the Matrix got to guard me because I keep posting up this little guard. Come on, John, bring your old, let's go. Work this by, all right, switch off.

Come on, Matt Harper. Now you got to put Matt Harper in on me because John's stocking too little. Now I'm going one-on-one with you because you are too guard, not fast enough to be a point guard. Right. Right?

Now me trying to guard someone like James Harden? Yeah. When he has to be stopped by the twos and the threes, now you have a real point guard trying to guard him. Right. And he's Harden to 6'4", 6'5". But here's the thing. These guys now got handles.

All of them. I mean, look at Harden. And then once he developed that step back, These guys now got handles. All of them. I mean, look at hard every do, do, do, do, do. And then once he developed that step back, that side step three, which everybody seems to have added to their bag, they got that tool out of his toolbox and added it to theirs. How do you stop it? Because you know he can get by you still.

He's slithery. He's not as slithery as he once was. He's not as explosive as he once was, but he's still explosive enough can get by you still. He's slithery. He's not as slithery as he once was. He's not as explosive as he once was. But he's still explosive enough to get by you. And then when you back up off him, guess what? He just steps back and shoots to three. And now you're just at his mercy and just hopes he miss it. Because he's getting wide open looks.

Yeah. It's just arguing with people's vision of when they first seen basketball for the first time. It's just like anything in life. When you've seen it for the first time, that's all you know what it looks like. That was the purest form for you as an individual. Ever since then, it is considered a watered-down version of what was introduced to you. That's just life. How it was introduced to you. That's life. How it was introduced to you back in the 80s, 83, 84, 85.

The way the game was played was the purest for you. Yeah. Right? So everything after that is watered down. Right? That's how it is. It's watered down. It's not like that.

The 80s is not the toughest. They are considered weak compared to the 70s and the 60s. Where you get to get clothesline and I can punch in your face and then it's just a... That was that era. They had to clean it up for TV, right? So TV got involved. It was cleaned. That was clean.

And then the 90s, a little bit cleaner, 2000, and now you have an entertaining game. This game now is entertainment. It's not basketball. This is entertainment. I'm going to put butts in the seats. I'm in the business of selling a show. So you can say, oh, they don't play no defense. Oh, they don't do this.

You can say it all you want. Adam Silver going to say this. Yeah, you know, we've been looking into, what did you want me to say? Yeah, we've been looking into ways. Maybe we've tilted it too far in the offensive favor. Maybe we're trying to find a way to get defense back involved. He ain't doing nothing. How are you try to find a way to get defense back involved. He ain't doing nothing.

How you gonna see a flaw in something that's paying people 50, 60 million dollars? Yeah. 50, 60 million dollars and you think they think it's a flaw? My bank account says hey, everything is

just like we planned. Udonis Haslam says age plays a factor in his opinion about LeBron. Udonis Haslam said the only reason why MJ is my GOAT is because, like he said, we watched him growing up. I'm older than LeBron. He can't be my GOAT. I see that a lot, especially with comedians, because even current comedians really don't put Chappelle as their GOAT. They normally go back to Pryor. They go back to

Eddie Murphy, or they'll go to Red Fox. They'll go to Bernie Mac. They'll go to Robin Harrison. They go to George Carlin. You know, it's always Eleni Bruce. They always go back. They say, he's my contemporary. I had J.B. Smooth on.

I've had a lot of comedians on. Tommy Davidson. And they always go back a generation before them. Yeah. As opposed to saying somebody that's a contemporary or a peer is on their Mount Rushmore or their goat. What's your take on that? I get what you're saying.

I ain't got no problem. I didn't play. I didn't play against Travis Kelsey. I didn't play against Gronk. I was leaving the league when Gates was there, but he didn't really play much my last year. I played a few years against Gonzo. So that's kind of like I played one year.

I think Ozzie retired after my rookie year. I saw Ozzie play. But I remember Winslow, big Winslow senior, Kellen Winslow senior. But I get what Udonis is saying. He's like, bro, I'm older than him. He can't be my GOAT. I played with him.

He a contemporary. But that's just the competitive nature of who he is, right? And a lot of players. You don't want to name somebody that is still playing with you, you played against, that's probably giving you 50 or something, right? I don't want him to be my goat,

right? So you go backwards, right? And that's just how it is. Whenever you hear a player talk, when you hear the guys talk today and they have Kobe as their goat, they didn't play against Kobe, right? It was on the end of it, right? So they're coming in, so they wasn't really a competitor

like that. Right. The real competitors, when they retire, they're gonna say, all right, you know, Bean was a killer, okay? I'm not even... He's my goat. He's up there. Right? So you still get the respect, but it's usually after the person's done retired a few years. Right.

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