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Guys, yesterday we saw him doing practice and he went down.
He's out.
To us suffered an oblique injury.
Bam.
And he's experiencing discomfort.
He will miss Sunday's game.
Cooper Rush will start.
Four weeks to debate, the Falcons starting quarterback sitting around two of us.
and Michael Pennix Jr.
And lo and behold,
neither one of them will start opening week.
It's going to be Cooper Rush.
And yet, Ocho?
Yeah.
It's upsetting.
It's upsetting for me.
One who's always stood on that hill for Tua,
always supported him through its ups and his downs,
the injuries, the issues, the problems.
Now you get a fresh start to change the scenery
with the dolphins, obviously rebuilding,
cleaning house.
And he goes to Atlanta with a fresh start.
And we write back to square one
with the same old shit.
Oh, excuse me.
with the same old stuff.
Yep.
Now, for me, it's kind of upsetting.
I was hoping and wishing he went out there Sunday and showed, you know, listen, I do be long.
This is one of your last chances, Uncle Joe.
Huh?
This is one of his last chance.
This could be very well be your last stop.
Right.
You know, because a lot of people, a lot of teams, you know, they really don't believe in you.
You go to Atlanta.
You have an opportunity.
And here we are again with the injury bug, with the injury problems once again.
Yeah, I agree, Joe.
I think the thing is that when quarterback,
start bouncing around.
They need to go a place
and solidify themselves
to say, you know what?
He still has it.
Let's make a long-term commitment.
You start going, okay,
one year, you,
okay, your last year you were in Miami,
one year in Atlanta,
next year you're somewhere.
Next year, somewhere after that.
Now you turn into a journeyman quarterback.
Now people looking for you
to get you on a minimum contract
and pay you back up money.
I was thinking that maybe, you know what,
this is a great situation.
Look at what he has at running back.
Look at the receiving court that he had.
The tight end with Kyle Piss,
Senior and Drake London and those guys
Zacharias
Zekees
all those guys. That's what you
have at your disposal and now
you're Nick but that's been his
MO. He has
been unable to stay healthy for any length of time
the one time that he did stay healthy
he played really well. I think he went to the Pro Bowl
had an outstanding season that's year that
Jalen Waddle, Ocho that you mentioned
Jalen Waddell and Tyreek went crazy
but other than that man it's
injury after injury after injury
It's frustrating to him.
I know it's frustrating to him if it's frustrating to us
because we're having to talk about it,
but I know it's really frustrating to him.
Man, I think it's a blessing in disguise, Uncle Ocho.
A blessing, Joe?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think he's been,
he's had this injury bug since he came into the NFL
and you mean to tell me that it's going to get better
when he gets to the Falcons?
No, bro.
Nah, no.
So I think, obviously Cooper Rush is going to start.
And then you may even have to look at the guy,
Strand, the backup, the rookie.
Who had, he looked good.
He looked good in the preseason.
Okay, Ocho, you know, he got some legs.
He can move, he can throw.
He can do a little bit of everything.
He got some patience in that pocket.
So I don't know, man.
I don't know where they go from here.
Hopefully, you know, Cooper Rush can get them some service.
Hey, I got a question for you, Joe.
Now, the first thing you said is it's a blessing in disguise.
Now, it's a blessing for who?
I don't like the way you worded that.
Who's the blessing for the falcons?
You know that man will go.
Come on, man.
That man got injury problems.
He was probably going to get hurt at some point.
So you're just saying it's a blessing for the Falcons.
Yes.
I don't like the way you throwing two under the bus.
Well, I'm just keeping it 100.
You backed up over.
I'm keeping it 100, bro.
Okay.
I'm keeping it a hundred.
Now, hopefully, you know, penance can get back, you know,
and give them some good serviceable play.
But right now, man, they got a deal with, they got a whole Cooper Rushkin over and deliver for them.
I don't like that.
You ain't got to like it.
I'm just keeping it real, bro.
I know.
All things being equal.
I'm not so sure that Matt Ryan's in love with either one of those.
Hello.
He might be in a situation where he likes training a big strong arm.
Yeah.
And push the ball down the field.
Because if you go back and look at it, if you look at Kansas City, it wasn't Alex Smith, wasn't bad.
Alex Smith had the inability to push the ball down the field.
He consistently.
They got guys that can get down the field.
All that Dinkin and Duncan, that's fine and good.
But you get points, big passing play, big chunk yards down the field.
That's how you win game.
Right, yeah.
This Dinkin and Dump and Dump and this shore fishing.
If you want big fish, you got to go out deep.
Hello.
You got to cast out deep.
And I'm not so sure to her, I don't think he can stay healthy long enough.
Take a hit and he's down every single time.
It's frustrating.
I know he's frustrating because there's someone that has dealt with injuries.
Don't you really dealt with injuries?
It's frustrated like, damn, man, what do I got?
I've done everything I possibly could.
In the off-season, I ate what I'm supposed to.
I had my body right.
And the least little thing, and the next thing you know, you're nicked up again.
You know what makes it frustrating for me?
Because I was hoping for him, obviously, having a second chance.
chance, him having to change the scenery and doing well, showing everybody else, all the naysayers,
all the haters that, look, I can't get it done.
I do actually belong.
I can be a starting quarterback for a franchise.
And then you get hurt.
Not only do you get hurt, but he got hurt and the seat didn't even started, Uncle Joe.
But think about how he got it.
You're just playing toss.
So imagine he gets hit.
He's playing toss, Ocho.
So imagine he get hit.
I don't know, man.
Come on.
It's like you walking into the locker room.
Ocho twist his ankle today.
Yeah.
Man, what happened, Ocho?
on show you ran the speed out of something you cut
man I was just walking in the locker
people go look at you sideways look at you like you crazy
people look at him he just like playing soft talk
and the next thing you know he's taking a seat on the grass
like that hey too get well boy you know I'm here
I'm gonna support you man unlike you know the rest of the world
boy I mean get back man come back man throw for like 4500
this year you hey it ain't that we ain't supporting
it man we're just keeping it a bean bro
yeah they take your beans and take them
to jail I ain't trying to hear that
But you want to do something?
Nah, no, no.
Yeah, okay, all right.
I don't want to smoke, Joe.
No, you mean Jack.
Jack Strand?
No, Jack.
Who went up to hill?
Who went up the hill?
I thought you were talking about the beans.
Yeah, I said, take your beans and take him the jail.
Okay, I thought you're talking about.
Jack and the beanstalk?
No, I'm talking about the notion.
Jack and Jill went up to hill.
Yeah, yeah, take the bean, taking the jail.
You got it.
I thought you wanted to want to plant the beans or the beanstalk.
Oh, no, no.
Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
Clearly, nursery ride wouldn't, he wasn't big on nursery ride.
But I'm sure it's frustrated for a Falcons fan.
Falcons are looking, look, you got Bijan, you got Drake London, you got Zakias,
you got Kyle Pitts, you got a nice offense.
Yeah.
You're expecting to have a better defense.
Now, we're going to see Kevin Stefanski.
He'd get a new life from Cleveland, got a reprieve from Cleveland, goes to Atlanta.
so and now thought we're going to have a battle at the quarterback position between the two lefties
and come to find out it's going to be Cooper Rush starting opening date.
But I just,
them Falcons fans ain't surprised on.
They're not surprised,
and I tell you who.
I promise you.
I don't think Matt Ryan is surprised either.
And I would not be surprised.
I'm going to be more surprised if at some point in time Strand is not starting during the season.
Oh, absolutely.
I'm not going to be surprised at all.
I mean, I don't think you think Cooper Rush plays that bad,
where they have to make another change?
I mean, you should be able to facilitate
with that kind of talent around you.
And obviously, the owners for that team to have success,
it's going to be on Bejan Robinson.
Remember Cooper Rush was in Dallas and all that talent that he had?
Remember Cooper Rush in Baltimore?
Yeah.
Hey, Baltimore, ooh, not the right system.
Dallas, Jerry Jones coming out saying he's supposed to be the guy.
Remember that?
He was supposed to be guys.
He was supposed to replace that.
They had people having a conversation
that Cooper Rush was better for the offense
to Dak Prescott.
After Jerry, Jerry started that.
I don't know who started it.
But it was, it was, it was, it was, it was being talked about.
Yeah.
But at the end of the day, it comes down to getting it done or not getting it done.
And right now, nobody in Atlanta has gotten it done.
And the guy that you thought that you're going to start the season with,
he's hurt, don't know when he's going to come back a bleak injury.
It's hard for a quarterback to throw with those.
It's hard to do because all that rotation.
Got to.
Yeah.
So, it may just a way.
seem like it would be a waste of talent.
Because if you don't get a serviceable quarterback back there,
Unc & Ojo, with all that talent they got offensively,
and they got some talent on the defense as well,
all the money that you spent.
Look at the money that you spent to re-sign Kyle Pitts.
Look at the money that you gave Bijan.
Look at the money that you gave Drake London.
Those are the three big-ticket items that you paid a premium for.
And in order to maximize that,
you need a quarterback that's going to be able to get them the ball.
And right now, they don't really have anybody that can get them to ball.
We're going to see what Cooper Rush can do.
do. Cooper rush, I don't,
the guy's going to want to push the ball down the field.
I'm trying to get down the field on the field.
All those shallow crosses is nice.
Smoking bubble screens, that's nice.
But, man, I'm trying to get down the field 15, 20, 30 yards down the field.
I ain't trying to be all that short.
Well, I tell you what, when you pay your skill players, the kind of money they play
they got to elevate the quarterback, being that they don't have a quarterback to elevate
them.
We're paying you the big bucks for a reason.
Now, we have a weak spot.
We have a link.
We offensively.
Now, we need y'all to raise your level of play, so he doesn't look like the
we click on Sundays.
Right.
And that's like from your skill positions, your wire receivers and tight ends creating separation
to where he don't have these tight windows to throw in.
Yeah.
I mean, listen, it's probably going to be some tight windows, but they got to make them plays.
Any contested catches, you got to make them plays.
And Bejohn got to be Bejohn.
Yeah, you got to.
I'm not letting Bejan Robinson beat me.
So what you keep?
I'm stacking the line.
Yeah.
I'm going to make Cooper Rush throw the damn football down the field.
I'm going to make him beat me.
If he throws the ball for 300 yards and three touchdowns, I can live with that.
to the center of the field and shake his hands and good jobs.
Stay healthy and good luck down the road.
But I'm not going to let Bejohn Robinson rush for 125,
catch for another 55 and have two, three, touches.
You're going to give up two touchdowns and 160 yards to pits?
If Cooper Rush can find him, if Hoover Rush can hit him, yes.
Okay, all right.
I know what Bejohn Robinson can do.
I'm still not sure about Cooper Rush.
I know what Bejohn can do.
I know those skills, but hand the ball off, I'm going to make him throw it.
Bad things can happen.
I might get a tip, might get a drop.
I can get anything.
Just handing the ball off the Bejohn
and let him gash me five, six yards a clip.
Nah, I am okay with them.
Yeah.
But we're going to find out.
Damn.
You know, look, we've had two games.
We had a Wednesday game.
We have a Thursday game.
But now we're about to have a full slate.
Everybody, everybody,
we're going to see what everybody's about to put something on.
Everybody about to put something on tape.
Hello.
Everybody about to put something on tape.
Everybody, look, everybody chattered and talking.
and what they're going to do and who they're going to be.
I want to see it.
I know who they're going to be.
I want to see it.
Huh?
I know what they're going to do down there over in that, in that jungle joke.
Yeah, okay.
Huh?
And that 513.
Okay.
I told me we're going to put up 42 on Tampa, huh?
I don't see y'all put up in the 40s.
Yeah, all right.
What about them cowboys?
What are you going to do?
Prime time, partner.
Prime time, you know we're going to show up and show out.
I'm going to tell you this, too.
Well, Odell and died his hair back blonde.
The blonde?
Yeah, he'd done back there blonde now.
Uh-oh.
You know what that being.
That's how they played on Sunday night.
You know what Odell did.
What he did?
He reached back.
Huh?
Reach back, bro.
And he looked.
He ain't he sees.
He's just like,
it's back there somewhere.
Hey,
I ain't worried about all that.
You show?
I'm now, no.
I want Odell to play good now,
but I don't,
I don't know.
I don't think he's going to be able to beat us, okay?
If Malik neighbors,
if Malik neighbors don't play.
He ain't going to play.
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There I'm talking like you looking like Kazam.
Oh, you're like...
Like a jeezer.
Like he's going to the first grade to take pictures.
You know what I do like, though?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It looks good.
Earth-tone color, it looked good on my complexion.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I like that.
I like that, okay.
Hey, I got this from 8 in them.
Everything about $60.
Yeah.
Yeah, shoes, too.
Yeah, it looked like Louis Vuitton,
but they were $30.
Yeah, put a little something together.
Nah, them look like Lionel.
Louis was on vacation, so Lano Field here.
Come on, uh.
Hey, a real inexpensive.
I don't know who told you that they looked like that.
Nah, nah.
I'm just saying they clean, though.
Yeah, they're clean.
You keep them clean, now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I look for shirt, shirt, about $30.
Yeah.
Source was about another.
Oh, yeah.
You can put it together, now.
Hey, AT&M?
Oh, you know, I had going to ATM clean up, right?
I mean, you couldn't charge you no more than $30 shorter they are.
They charge you.
No, no.
They charge you by the inch.
No, don't try to pull them off with that.
Bad, nobody who's sitting that chair.
You sit down in your way.
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He's good length.
Go ahead.
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Oh, man, come on.
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Oh, that man.
Oh, wow.
No, three second rule, three second rule.
The glissive monster.
We're good, we good.
Man, come on, man.
You don't do that, man.
Just sit here and say a prayer with your boy.
All right.
Got you.
Boy, if they weren't in the,
if they weren't in the case,
they were going to get eight regardless, boy.
Huh?
What y'all talk about?
A. Chat.
What y'all know about the Iglesias, boy?
Nothing.
Look at that thing.
Most people are the chat say they don't eat them.
Yeah, they do.
Look at that thing.
That thing poked, ain't it?
Yeah, watch that.
Watch that.
The same thing, it ain't.
Look at it.
Look at it.
What you need back from?
You saw that Joe Boop people would turn around the other way.
That is not here.
Chad, I'm sorry, Chad, I'm sorry that y'all had to see that today.
I was praying that he won't even pinch it.
He won't even pinch it off the moment.
Hey, the glissive monster.
Look at her.
I ain't had nothing to eat, man.
That don't make you no bad, brother, though.
No, it don't.
You're all right.
Yeah, you're all right.
Hey, you know what I come to conclusion?
What's that?
I really think y'all want to eat this, but you can't.
You're scared.
I'm scared.
I don't even, man, I ain't going to tell it what had to me.
I hadn't had a hot dog in 30 years.
Take a bite, dear.
No, I'm good.
Take a bite.
Let's see what happened, though.
No.
We could put in an A.
Britching like this Fear Factor.
Truly, fear is a factor, man.
Chad wants to know you went from the short shorts to the medium shorts.
Yeah.
This lady asked, said, let this be the last year for Hootie Daddy shorts, please.
Hey, wait.
Listen, when you got legs like this, you can do that.
You hear me?
Yeah.
When you got legs like this, you can do that.
Yeah.
What you're talking about?
And I got lotion on, too.
Look at the calves.
What did you say?
I don't need.
What a lot of the day?
Huh?
I got a loathe on it.
So lotion on.
What?
I got lotion home?
You're trying to call me assy?
Man, you know,
when you get out here in the West Coast,
bro, you know, it's dry out here.
Yeah.
But I got the lotion you told me.
I went to go to the lotion you told me.
when it got something from CVS.
But you ain't, see, I docked the mind up.
What's that mean?
You know, add some oils, add some, you know, some different ingredients.
That's too much.
That's too much.
No, boy, you be ashy out here, boy, especially with your color.
No, I ain't ashy, though.
I'm good.
I'm good.
You got to, you know.
I get you a good moisturizer, bro.
I'm moisturized, Joe.
Yeah.
I look good, though.
Yeah, yeah.
He looked like he got tattooed, but I can't tell them.
Hey, they there.
They down?
Yeah, they're there.
Man, they just took you money.
Man, then you scribbled on your leg.
You know, them all killer whales.
We got our very special guest.
He joined his head.
He's already looking like he wanted to talk some crazy.
There's some foodies.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down.
Go ahead, go ahead.
Go ahead.
Give him a pad.
Go ahead.
Do what you're going to do, Ocho.
Go ahead and do what you go to do, Ocho.
Y'all see who did it?
Oh.
Oh.
Oh.
That man came with that action.
That man came with that action.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He got off.
Bud, what up, bud.
You let him get up on you.
He's going to have to.
There you go.
We know.
I told him he said, hey, don't tell Bud nothing.
He was going to try to sneak you.
That's why I started talking.
I wasn't sneaking him.
Anything I do with Bud is going to be head up in his face.
Hey, man, stop it.
But what's with this everybody challenging Bud?
We got boots challenge you, Ocho challenge you.
Oh, wait.
Time about my time.
I tell him.
like disco back, way back.
This ain't nothing new.
No.
This ain't nothing new.
No.
You ain't been wanting this work?
What you're talking about?
You ain't being wanting this work?
I've been challenging, bud, about 12 years.
He saw my hand.
He saw my hands one day.
He was like, boy, I don't want nothing of that.
Damn, bud.
Yeah, yeah.
But, look, look at his.
He's in.
He looked at his head.
Yeah.
He ain't got no box his hands.
He ain't got the hard, the hard-looking hand, do it, bud.
No, he don't.
Bud, they heard they called me hell of hands.
He knows.
We seen you fight.
That count?
Yeah, everything counts.
Hold on me.
Yes.
Hey, no, you see me fight in a structure of an environment that I've never been in.
So you say, I look at a scale of a word.
Yeah, now that.
Damn, bud.
Hey, street fight?
Me?
Anybody.
Oh, yeah, leave me out of that.
No, no, no, not.
I'm too frail.
Hey, for somebody that never did it, I won that bag.
Oh, I'm about to say, okay.
Okay.
So, but we know who we got here.
We got four-de-vision champ, three-time, three-division, undisputed champ.
Legend, icon.
He walked away from the top of the game, but everybody trying to drink.
Every time he says I'm leaving, they try to pull him back here.
We had Dana White on.
Dana said, look, me and, and, what's Turk?
If we can bring him the right fight, we believe we can get Bud to come back.
Is Boots in us the right fight to get Bud Crawford to come out of retirement?
The money right for us.
If the money right for us, we'll come back.
He's my agent.
I guess you're talking for me.
No, I mean, listen, we're the A side, right?
We're the A-Side.
To get us out of retirement, we need $150 million flat.
You're coming out for $150 million, bud?
Man, I'm retired, man.
Buzz said he retired.
I'm about to be 39 in a couple of weeks.
So ain't nothing can get you to come back in the rain.
They want to jump on me, man.
They think you don't got old bud.
They say they see the age of lying.
Oh, he's full.
He's playing impossible.
He's playing impossible.
Okay, I'm chilling.
Hey, honestly, I'm chilling.
You know what I mean?
Because before I, you know what I mean, I retired,
there wasn't too many people jumping and calling for Terrence Crawford.
You know what I mean?
So now that I'm retired, everybody, you know,
they're calling out your boy.
Yeah.
I think it's a good thing, though.
Do they really want to fight, bud, or they're looking for a payday?
I think it's the payday.
Because they know.
And opportunity, you know.
It's the payday and opportunity.
Okay.
You know, they look at it and say, okay, we're going to get the highest check of our career.
Correct.
This dude about to be 39, you know, in a couple of weeks on the 28th.
He probably slowed down a little step or two, and maybe this is the right time.
You know, so everybody licking their chops at the...
But, bud, you still...
You'll be posting.
You're still in the gym.
Don't let him fool you not just because he said he retired.
That don't mean he's just taking completely off.
He ain't doing the rent.
He's still in shape.
Yeah.
I mean, you give him an eight-week camp,
and he's ready to, he's going to be,
you ready to go, bud.
You ain't fooling nobody now.
Man, I'm chilling, man.
Hey, hey.
I'm enjoying everybody, you know,
doing what they do
and, you know,
supporting the sport of boxing.
Yes, you know, from afar,
and I'm loving it.
Hey, hey, I know a man with a plan.
I know when he's laying low and playing slow.
Yes, you hear me?
You know.
I know, bud.
Yeah, I know.
You know who said he wants.
They want to fight you for real, though.
Everybody want to fight me.
No, this guy, I said he called you.
I said, you'd be hating on him and he's tired of you hating on him.
He's going to put a stop to that.
Man, who that?
Ryan.
Ryan do this before all his fights.
You know, Ryan said I ain't never fought no fast, young, hungry lions.
You know, he must ain't paid attention to my career
and looked at the people that I fought coming up.
Yeah.
You know, from 140.
to, you know, 135, 147.
It's cool, you know, for him to try to diminish, you know, the things that I've accomplished.
But he, how is Ryan?
I don't know.
How old is Ryan?
Ryan been, you know, a big name in a sport for a long time.
Right.
You know, and he's a one-time world champion.
At 28.
You know?
Just one time.
Yeah.
You know, and he's fought, you know, some, some marquee names, but, dude, this is your first title defense, you know, and, you know, you'll be blessed if you accomplish half of what I've accomplished in a sport of boxing.
Right.
You know, so why you sitting over there talking, you know, and trying to.
take credit away from one of the goats.
You need to, you know, keep stirring up some great wins and, you know, get on that level.
Let's talk about this fight.
Ryan Garcia-Connor being 147.
Who you like, Ryan said, we had both fighters on.
Ryan said, look, they paying me to beat up a novice.
You're talking about a guy that just got into the, I've been fighting since I was seven, eight years old.
This guy just started fighting.
He's 17 years of age.
He said it should be against the law.
that they're going to pay me this kind of money to be the novice up.
Listen,
sometimes he make valid points.
Ryan does, got the experience.
Ryan, you know, is the favorite to win.
Ryan, you know, have everything on his side to win this fight.
Right.
But that's not saying that he's going to win.
Right.
Because I pick Ben because if he can take,
Ryan punches at 47. We know he can take it at 60 because we know Chris is a bigger puncher than Ryan.
Right. But being that Connor had to suck down the 147, which he didn't did in a long time.
You see four to a half five years. Right. And we seen his last fight, which wasn't at 160. He kind of, you know, he didn't look the same as he did at a higher weight, at a lower way. Now he's coming even lower.
So we want to see how his body absorbed the punches
Because we know Ryan got a good left hook
We know he's fast, we know he's sharp at times
But his skills ain't too, you know, shabby if you ask me
When comparing to him fighting at 7 and 8, you know
So there's a lot of holes in his game
Because I don't think Roli started boxing at 7 or 8
Right, you know
You see what Rale did
with them. Right. So, um,
there are going to be opportunities for
for Connor. Right.
There's going to be opportunities for
Ryan. So,
whoever come
more prepared and,
you know, execute their game plan is going to win.
Well, why do we see with Ryan?
I mean, we watched him against David
and he looked, he looked fabulous.
And then we watch him against Roley, and then we watch
him in some of his other fights. We're like, bro,
what are you doing? Why are you like this?
You have so much talent. You're so
skill, why not prepare every single fight
like you prepare for Devin?
Styles make fights. Okay.
You know, you can't go in the fight
thinking, all right, since I fought this guy this way,
I'm going to fight this guy the same way because
it's not going to happen. Okay.
You know, a lot of fighters, you know,
go in the fight and
they try to do the same thing over and over.
Okay. That's been
successful previously
against their opponents, but some fighters
just not going. Right.
You know, some fighters are going to make you fight.
Some fighters not going to let you, you know,
get your favorite punch, you know, on them,
and you got to figure out another way
to land these big shots and get the victory.
You got to use something that you ain't been using in a while.
You got to pull out some tricks and trades.
Like, you just can't do the same thing over and over.
Then people going to get the cut.
Yeah.
They're going to neutralize that.
They know everybody.
They know he's sitting on that.
Sitting on that.
We're not going to let you get that off.
Okay, now what?
And you see what happened.
How has retirement been so far?
Being away from the game and joined.
Not away from the game because you obviously commentate now.
But just in retirement in general, how has it been?
Great, great.
I've been enjoying the hell out of it.
You know, I don't got to worry about nothing.
All I got to do is enjoy life, travel the world, and be a fan.
Do you miss it at times?
Because I think about when I retired, I'm not sure how I don't feel.
Maybe when you're retired, I still miss the game.
I still miss boxing, obviously, when you're having to commentate and watch other people fight,
do you still have that edge to compete?
I'm always had an inch to compete.
That's just me.
Not saying anything.
But like in the ring, no, not really.
You know, because I don't,
I don't, I did everything.
When I, when I walked away, I was, I was like,
three division, underfeudies.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
You can't, you can't do it no better than how I did it.
What you did it, yeah.
You know, from how I started to how I finished,
for how, going against all the odds,
from promoters, from managers, from, you know,
just so many,
people trying to pull and hold me back from
nobody wanted to fight me. Right.
You know, a lot of people, they say,
oh, he ain't fought nobody, he ain't fought these men. I came in,
I didn't want no tune-ups. Right.
You know, I called out the biggest and baddest people
in every division that I ever stepped in. At that time, yes, sir.
I clean this division is on to the next. Yeah. I clean that
division on to the next. I don't, I didn't feel the need to,
to keep trying to defend my title at this weight division
and fight these guys at this weight.
I'm going to bigger and batter.
Right.
You know, so when I became undersputed at 140,
all right, I didn't clean that division out.
Y'all say, ain't nobody down there.
Let me go up to the next division and clean that one out.
Now y'all say that ain't nobody there.
Let me go up there and clean that one out.
When I went to 154, I went to fight, Fondora the first.
the first fight.
Before that, I went to fight
Australia.
Kell them.
No, no, no.
Horn? No, Tim Zhu.
Oh.
You know, I wanted to fight Tim Zhu,
but Tim Zhu, they fought each other.
Tim Zhu and Fondor.
It's a bloody fight.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
When he got cut.
So I'm like, all right, well, let me fight,
you know.
Who y'all got it 54?
Let me fight. Let me fight Fondor.
Yeah.
They said, no, he ain't fighting because he broke his nose or something.
You know, so I'm like, all right, well, who's out there?
Right.
You know, Marjor Mawf was the number one guy in the division at the time.
I'm fighting him then.
Let me get him then.
Yeah, I need one of these.
I don't want to test it.
You don't want to tune up at 54.
Give me the best at 154.
You say he the number one contend?
Okay, I got him.
Yes.
You know, and that just,
tell to, you know, how I handled things.
Yes, sir.
I never, you know what I mean,
shied away from a fight era.
I got a question.
I got one more question, before you go.
This question will let me know
if you're coming back out of retirement
to fight at any point.
I'm not, man, I'm chilling.
Listen to me.
Oh, wait, wait.
Just answer this.
Answer this.
It don't sound sincere.
Hold on, wait, wait, hold on.
He said, wait, unless you what?
Unless I had to beat you up.
You don't want this work.
What you were fighting at?
What you were fighting at?
What you're fighting at, bud?
His weight?
Uh.
185?
You 185?
No, I'm 205 right now.
I'm about to say you little, dude.
I come down, though.
No, I'm fighting you at 205.
Mm.
I don't got to wait a while.
But I would hurt you, bro.
I'm serious.
No, like, all jokes aside, you might do.
You might do for a long time.
I respect you.
Did you?
Did you get dropped in your fight?
Yeah.
Well, you're going to be sleeping this fight?
Uh.
You been dropped before?
Nah.
You went, I mean, you went down.
Nah.
But I got up, though.
No, but you're going to be asleep there?
this one. I guarantee you won't drop me.
The chance of you...
No, I will fucking up. You got to have
a hair gear, though, bud. He got to have a hair gear.
I'm knocking him out with the head gear. You knocking him out with
hair gear? Oh, man, come on,
bud. That's bad. That's bet. That's bet. That's bet. What you want to bet?
What's you want to bet? How much? Whatever you're willing.
Oh, my God.
How much you want to, how much you got?
Are y'all going to put money on me? He's betting on
Bud. You bet. You bet against me?
I don't bet. I don't bet. I'm not a better.
No, bud, don't gamble.
How are you going to bet against it?
I don't get him either.
But you're going to bet against your calls?
Joe, how much you got on me?
Yeah, yes.
I'm trying to come up.
I can't hear him.
I can't hear him.
I can't hear him.
I can't hear what he's saying.
You're not going to go on my side?
No.
I'm going to put 50 on you and 250 on bud.
$50,000?
Yeah.
Okay, bet.
How many rounds?
By the fact, I want a running clock.
I want to run a clock.
No rest.
Damn.
I got an M said I'll drop you.
I got two.
With head gear?
Well.
You're going to drop it with head gear fun?
What size gloves you use it?
You're over 48, so you got to...
16.
We're smart.
We got to go 16.
We got to go 16.
I'm dropping you.
You drop it in with 16-ounce gloves and hair gear?
On my mama.
Oh, my God.
Oh, yeah.
When you put it on his mama, he ain't playing now.
Huh?
Ocho?
The man put it on his mom.
I guarantee.
Ocho?
With a body shot?
You can drop with a body shot?
It all matter if it's a body shot and a head shot.
I'm dropping Ocho.
The funny thing about it is I'm a control of distance.
He ain't even fin to get inside.
Ocho.
Who do you think you're talking to?
Ocho, you see how long my reach is?
Boy, you see, I'm a, they call me bird, knickers.
You see my wingspan?
And I eat chicken.
Stop playing me, man.
I ain't one of them.
You can get this work with him.
Man, let's sign the contract, Ocho.
That's an easy two-mill.
Tell Dana, tell Dana give us a little exhibition.
No, no, we don't need Dana.
No.
We can just go to the gym right after this.
How are we going to make the money, though?
You just said you're going to put your money up.
Okay, we get the sponsors to come in.
No, we don't need no sponsors.
You got two mil.
Yeah, but hold on.
I want your million.
Hold on.
I want your money.
Time out.
So I don't want no sponsors.
Hold on.
So I'm going to just whip your ass for free?
No.
You just bet me.
Okay, bet.
I want your money.
You think I'm money.
I want your money.
I don't want nobody else money.
It ain't want to do.
Because it's going to hurt you when you lose it.
You're going to be like, ah, that's stuff.
He's like, man, I just lost two-em on some dubs, spurt.
Too-billy on some bull.
Man, that's going to sting.
He was like, come on, bud, man, you know we did that for show.
I don't do love for show.
Hey, bud, what you want?
You want cash or wire transfer?
How are you on it?
I want to wire.
Just wire to me.
You know what I mean?
We ain't got to deal with no cash.
I don't know if you're giving me fake money, no nothing.
We ain't about to deal with none of that.
No issues
But you fought in 54
And then you say you know what
Damn 60
I want this
I want this thing
There's a guy at the top of the mountain
That everybody's been talking about
Yeah
And everybody
And we've seen people
And they're for whatever reason
When they go to fight him
They fight good
At every division
But as soon as they get to him
They shy away from it
And I side down and talk
I said I've talked to a lot of guys
Boxing and UFC
And they're like
They say all this
I say Bud Cross is
the only guy that I sawed across from, and I could look at him and tell.
I said, he means every damn thing he said.
I said, he said, I'm going to beat it.
He said, everybody keeps talking about, can I take his power?
What are you going to do when I touch him?
Can he take my power?
When did you realize in that fight?
I'm going to beat this dude.
When he's signing contract.
If you notice, I've been in court.
calling out Cannella when I was at 147.
I wanted to go from 147
all the way up to 168 to fight Cannella.
So that wasn't nothing new.
I just felt like my style
and his style, you know,
matched up. Yeah, it was perfect.
I'm like, man, dude,
these dudes that he's fighting,
they're not on my level skillful-wise.
They might be bigger than me and stronger than me,
but from here, no.
No. You know.
you know so when I started sizing them up I'm like dude I'm taller than him he might be a little
thicker than me yeah but you look at like you're same way yeah like okay like come on let's let's get
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What was it about him that you felt?
Because he unified, I mean, he unified the 168.
Nobody had ever done that,
and they'd been some great champions at 68.
and nobody's ever done what he's done at 68.
What was it about his style of fighting that convinced you,
I can beat this dude?
Yeah, I'm 147, and I'll be coming up,
because we don't normally see guys jump three weight classes
build up to it.
You basically have a tune, basically a tune,
even though he was the number one.
Basically, you jumped 54, 60, and went to 68 from 47.
Wasn't it the way he sit down and try to land every punch,
and you could see every punch coming because he tries to throw off
his back foot and just hit every, of his front foot and trying to land every power shot,
because you was timing and perfect.
Like, you saw everything, like, he was in slow motion.
Because Ocho and I, we were at the fight.
And we're watching this, and I'm like, man, bud is literally, I don't know what they saw.
The round that they gave him, I don't know what they saw.
No, it was just that I'm a student of the game.
Okay.
And I've been watching boxing and studying boxing ever since I was a little kid,
as well as being an active boxer.
Right.
So being a fan of Canelo for all his career,
I just knew what he was going to do when he was going to do it
because Canello is Canello.
What you see is what you get.
You know, he might have slowed down a little bit
moving up in weight divisions.
Right.
But he's got stronger.
Yeah.
You know, so me sparring these big dudes
and taking their punches.
I'm just like,
man, this dude is a heavyweight.
Or this dude,
200 pounds.
You know, I know Canelo ain't that big.
Right.
So, but who knows?
Canello might punch harder than him too.
So I was just like, man,
I always said,
if I take your punch, you're in trouble.
why don't they give you more credit for being a student of the game?
We hear all these other boxes.
They're a student of the game and that box and IQ is so high.
But they never give you that credit.
They never give you that bud just got dog in it.
Bud has just fight you.
Why don't they give you the credit that they give some of these other students of the game?
I think it's just politics.
Okay.
You know, and following.
Yeah.
I've been discredited my whole career.
You know, I'm not.
I'm used to it.
Right.
It ain't nothing to it.
You know, like, hey, history is made.
Yeah.
You can't tarnish what's in black and white.
Seamint it.
Three division, undisputed.
Five division, world champion.
Unified and four divisions.
Yes, yeah.
You know, the accolades go on and on.
But even if you were to come back, but what, I mean,
come back for what and do what?
There you go.
So, because even
let's just say
for the sake of argument,
you were to come back,
you beat Boots.
Everybody's going to say
you should have beat Boots.
You're better fighter than Boots.
So for me,
yeah, I would love to see you fight a game.
But deep down inside,
when I think about it,
what are you coming back for?
They're going to say,
oh, well, you're more approved
and we know, you know,
the type of fighters you is fighting
compared the type of fighters' hills fight.
Right.
Boots is a talented fighter.
Yeah.
We just want to see more.
just like they say it with me
Right
Everybody say
Oh well bu we know
You fought this guy
We want to see more
We want to see you fight this dude
We want to see you fight this
All right well put them up
Right
Put them up here
There was no case
Where
It was a Virgil
And Boots situation with me
Other than Spence and Crawford
Right
Because anybody that they
mentioned
I was fighting
All right, who?
This guy, this guy, besides Keith Thurman and Danny Garcia.
Right.
Which both, I try to fight.
I try to fight Keith Thurman when I moved into the division
because he was the number one guy in the division at the time.
I went straight to him.
Like, I want to fight Keith Thurman.
He said, he ain't got no belt.
He said, why is we talking about this guy at 140?
And he ain't even fought at 147 yet.
Danny Garcia, I want $5 million to fight on him.
All right, well, Tyran said, you're pricing yourself out.
You don't want to fight.
Right.
I don't want to fight everybody.
You know, it's a reason why they say, oh, well, he ain't fought this dude,
and he fought these dudes then.
Man, there nobody wanted to fight.
They didn't want to fight.
Because the payday.
The payday, not, bud.
Because now, you said they were asking for $5 million, then.
They're going to be asking for $25 now.
Sheesh.
And you're like, bud, like, nah.
Nah, when I wanted to fight, when I was hot,
y'all ain't want to fight.
Now y'all not hot.
I'm still hot.
I ain't got nothing for you here.
But I told you the minimum for us to even come out of retirement, it's $150.
My age.
That's the minimum.
Oh, you're coming for $150?
What?
I'd be a, I'm coming over and break your ass.
I didn't tell you in my head.
For $150, I'm dragging your ass out of that being my damn itself.
I do the whole camp, too.
I'm the way.
I'll be the cut man, boy.
What, 50?
What?
Ooh.
Ain't been a whole $150 billion pay days, bud.
Listen, listen.
He rubbed him hand like for a man.
I'm just laughing at it because, you know, when you look at history, it's like,
everybody has so much to say about Terrence Crawford in a negative way.
How bad of a businessman I was, how I was this, I was that, my resume this, and I was that.
But now, look at what you're talking about paying me $100,000.
and 50 million or 100 million to come back.
If I don't, if I don't have that big of a fan base,
if I'm not, if I'm a nobody and nobody knows me
and this is what a lot of people say,
oh, man, don't nobody know him, man.
You know, well, why, why everybody's trying to get me to fight?
Because you're going to fight?
That's what, nobody's never said anything.
No, I'm saying, but.
Because you are, you are, you're it.
But for, I know, I know what I am.
But I'm just saying
But people try to put that out there
And the people that don't know boxing
They run with it
Oh man, he
Don't nobody know who bud is
Man, I go all over the world
And people like, hey, man, let me get a picture
Terrence Crawford, Terrence Cruella
It's a reason why
Me and Canello fight
Did what it did
And still to this day
It holds the fucking record
At the Legion Stadium
That's crazy
You know?
And Canello couldn't do that by itself.
No.
When you look at Canello past fights, it's like, all right, well, if Canello did that by itself,
then why he ain't do it before me?
Yeah.
They try to discredit you, bud.
They can't discredit you.
Same way with Spence.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Oh, yeah, you did.
Because I heard that, well, he wasn't the same unless he was in the car.
No, I'm saying.
I'm saying.
They tried to discredit you for beating him.
Our fight.
Yeah.
The numbers that we did with our fights is like, okay, well, why he didn't do that before?
me.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
But you know when you become great,
they're going to try to discredit your greatness.
All the time.
Anybody that's ever became great,
they've tried to discredit them
once they became great.
And people don't see what it took for you
to get to where you got to.
Everybody just see, well, he just beat Canelo.
Bro, the man has been fighting down there 20 years.
30.
Canelo was the last fight.
What about those other 41 fights
that he had before Canello?
Y'all just talk about the one fight.
What about the other 41?
Yeah.
What about the training?
People don't, people always, and I told we was talking about this conversation last night.
People, people don't want to build anything.
They just want to move in.
I said that.
People don't want to see what Bud did to get to where he got to.
Man, he took a short, how?
What shortcut takes you 20, 30 years to get to?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But you hear what, you hear what people say.
I'm glad you're not seduced by that.
I'm going to prove y'all wrong.
I'm going to fight.
I jump up here.
No, no, I ain't got to prove it.
I've proved it.
I've proved it over 30-year career.
Everything that I said I was going to do, I did.
To a T.
So now, y'all try to come up with these scenarios to try to entice me to come.
I ain't got to.
I ain't got no habit.
I ain't got no habit.
And I ain't got no money problem either.
When you ain't got no habit, you can have money.
Hey, right.
You got habit.
Money.
Hey, it ain't bad that.
You know what I mean?
I was smart with my money.
They're mad that I didn't have no, you know what I mean, crazy habits.
Right.
Let me ask you this.
Shakur got upset with me.
I say, in Ocho, Shikour is one of Ocho's favorite guys.
I said, Shakur, I'm not taking anything away from your ability to fight.
You're a great fighter.
I say, but your style is not entertaining to me.
That's just, I'm one person.
I said, I said, you say, but you're not a, what, what do you call?
He said, I don't know boxing.
I said, but let me tell you something.
The people that don't know boxing, those are the ones that buy the tickets.
The official notos, they're not paying $15, $20, $30,000 to see a fight.
He made a point.
What's the point?
Talk to him.
You know what I mean?
About you not knowing boxing because you're saying that you don't like his style,
but at the same time you like boxing.
Yes.
But his style is the art of boxing.
So how can you say you don't like his style?
but you like boxing.
You don't like boxing.
You just like fighting.
Can I like basketball and not like LeBron James playing style?
But I'm saying basketball and boxing is two different things.
It's the same thing.
It's with what preference what a person like is an opinion.
Boxing is the art of not hit and not get hit.
Okay.
So when we talk about boxing, we talk about the martial arts of hit and not get hit.
Yes.
So I understand, you know, over the years, we didn't got spoiled with,
some massive fights that, you know, blood and sweat and we're just like, man, that's what we want to see because it's exciting.
Yes.
You know, and you're not wrong for wanting to see the fights that you like that's exciting to you.
Right. But when we say we're a fan of the sport of boxing, you know, you got to be a fan of, I'm not saying you got to be.
Right.
But you should be a fan of Shakura Stevenson, Floyd Mayweather, because they mastered.
the sport of boxing.
But Floyd didn't have a lot of weights
before them hands got brittle,
you know what Floyd was doing.
Floyd was flowboard people.
Floyd was motorboating people at 40.
Floyd was carrying people.
People just look at Floyd at 47 late in his career
when his hands got brittle.
And then he's like, you know what?
I can't take no chance because when he hit old boy
and he took that knee, he's like,
that change is fighting.
From that point on, Floyd really didn't fight the same weight.
And people talk about, well,
Well, Floyd, you ain't seen nobody walk through, Floyd.
At no weight, at 40, at 47, 54,
there ain't nobody walked through him if he wasn't punching.
Okay, so you hear what you just said?
Yes.
Who have you seen him walk through Shakur?
I ain't seen him fight nobody.
You lie.
Look, when he fought, Teofimo and what's the other guy?
Zapater?
Zapater.
Teapeno didn't walk through him.
Oh, no, no, I'm saying.
Don't, for me.
But here's the thing, bud.
I saw him in his hometown and people were leaving.
You saw that.
You saw that.
I was into the fight.
Huh?
I was into the fight.
You saw it.
I was into the fight.
I didn't see nothing.
I was watching the fight.
So you didn't hear about that?
No, I'm watching the fight.
But don't do that, bud.
I'm not.
I'm dead serious.
But people...
I'm not watching the crowd, you know what I mean?
So if people get a...
So if people were to get up, what would that tell you?
If people were to get up, you're fighting, and people get up and leaving,
and you see 15, you see 30, 40, 50, 100, 200 people leaving.
I'm not going to see nothing because I'm fighting.
No, I'm sorry.
You're talking about it.
But if somebody came after the fight, like, bud, but that's not your style.
I had people booed me before.
Early in your career, bud, I ain't talking about, yeah, I didn't care.
That's because they didn't know who Bud Crawford was.
No, that's because they didn't like that I was boxing.
they didn't like that you know I wasn't in there engaging in a back and forth fight so they was booing oh boom
that they changed you up no so when did you when did you adopt I get y'all the next one
I got I'm just going to win this one yeah y'all y'all get an exciting fight the next fight but this one
sometimes you just got to do what you got to do to get the video okay all right I appreciate the enlightenment I appreciate that
because I'm looking I'm looking I grew up at sugar rate Tommy hernes Marvin Haines
Ruehler, Roberto, guys that were just,
Cesar Chavez, guys with that,
but they fought, and sugar.
You see, sometimes sugar, he'll box you.
Yeah.
Well, he tried to slug it out with Duran and you see what it cost it.
Sometimes Duran a boxer.
Yeah.
Duran can box.
So this is, this is my thing about a lot of people on the outside.
Okay.
That never been in the ring criticized boxers
for not, for not standing toe to toe and just,
bang each other out
get in the ring and try it
I just want you all to get in the ring and try it
and then I have a different approach
on fighters
y'all have more respect
on fighters that
hit and not get hit I think it's hard
it I don't think
it's way harder to hit somebody
stay in front of them and not get hit
it's way harder than just sitting there
right here
pop pop pop that's easy
easy. That's why if you notice, it's so hard for them fighters to beat the caliber or fighter
like a Floyd Mayweather and Shakur, you know, because they can't keep up. They're mental.
They're not going to. The thing that you do have to admire about Floyd and Shakur is that they're not
going to let you love them into fighting their style of fight. You're going to fight the style of fight that I
want to fight. No, it's like if I hit you, you know what I mean, and you, you're not going to,
try to come back and I miss and you missing me every big shot that you're taking you like I can't
end it's discouraging and now I'm getting punched all upside my head and then when I do get get close to
you you you tie me up yeah it's frustrating all right all right when you hook oh Shakur okay you got me
right I mean tell me tell me you apologize I apologize for you but I got the utmost
respect for bud if bud say hey that style is excited
I'm gonna take Bud at his word.
Four-time, undisputed champ,
five-division champ, Terrence Bud Crawford.
Man, I will beat you up, man.
Put your money on here.
Can we do a face off real quick?
Hey, he's not strong.
He's not strong, but...
Like you.
Hey, don't you grab me like that, though, boy.
Can I get my face off real quick?
Yeah, yeah, come on, let's do it.
Bud used to rouse an old joke.
I used to rap for three times.
I used to rap.
Damn, bud.
Hey, Ocho will be fine, man.
Oh!
I do it.
She said she filmed everything.
He's strong now.
You got hands.
He ain't got no head.
He ain't got no head.
He got no hand.
No, man.
He got right there.
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