Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Luka goes NUTS in return to Dallas, Denver fires their GM & coach, & Pat Bev discusses Ja Morant !

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Pat Beverly react to Luka going for 45 in his return to Dallas, Denver fires their GM & coach, & why do Paul Pierce, Rondo & Ray Allen still have beef!04:18 - Show Start04:33 - Intro07:11 - Pat Beverly joins the show10:30 - Lakers vs. Mavs40:13 - Denver fires GM and head coach49:10 - Paul Pierce and Rajon Rondo57:10 - Ja Morant game celebration(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Never talked to him before either. But hey, first time to lie for everything. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Pat Bell. Pat Bell, what it do? Thanks for having me, Mr. Ochoa. So good to see you, brother. Thank you, guys. You watched the game last night. Go ahead. What'd you say, Ochoa?

I'm about to say I appreciate you joining, man. Listen, I've always been a fan for many years, man. I've always been a fan you know for many years man I hadn't had a chance to actually get a chance to sit down and talk to you we just pulled a meet up and talk not too long ago at one of the games but

we were interrupted so I'm glad to have you on the show you was at a game somebody on the other team with the Philly you was you was at a game somebody on the other team uh with the Philly the Philly game Philly game right

right yeah yeah yeah we were supposed to chop it up then I appreciate y'all man thanks for having me thank you

I'm a big fan of the show um I mean it's it's first off it's you know it's inspirational

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Pat Bell, tonight the Lakers win 112-97. You've been in the NBA a very long long time and you've seen a lot of tributes when guys return i don't know if i've ever seen a tribute where the guy was as emotional as luca donchik was he was literally crying on the sideline which lets me know he was probably more invested in dallas than dallas was invested in him because they chose to move on to a guy that's giving you 28, 8, and 8 over career and averaging 32 in the playoffs. But were you surprised at how emotional he was and how he was able to channel those emotions and go out and do what he did?

So you as an athlete, you know how it is when you first get drafted to a team. And you've had failure and you've had success there. Like you were able to get something, you were able to build something, right? Especially us as athletes, whatever the role may be. Yep. Him getting emotional may be surprising to a lot of people. But when you're forced to leave and you're not ready to leave, a lot of fans don't know how that feels.

Right. To getting so close, right? To getting so close to a man. We almost won a championship. We're one piece away, two pieces away from a championship. To get that close and to turn around and be blindsided, you know? I think it's the smoke there with the communication part.

I think that was the most like, man, I did everything you guys wanted me to do. You guys couldn't tell me. You feel me? So mixed with all that, I mean, the emotion is bound to come out. But hey, listen, he was emotional before the game and he was emotional in the game.

Felt, listen, he was emotional before the game and he was emotional in the game. Belt. Belt. Belt. Ocho. You know, Ocho, Pat Bell, me and Ocho talk a lot.

It's kind of like a relationship. The relationship is most hurtful to the person that doesn't want to leave the relationship. See,

if you're ready to get out of a relationship, ain't no skin off your back, you're ready to bounce. But when you're not ready to let said individual, be it the man or the woman, it's hard. And you're ready to get out of a relationship, ain't no skin off your back, you're ready to bounce. But when you're not ready to let said individual, be it the man or the woman, is hard, and you're like, what can I do? Well, in a situation like this, because, as you mentioned, they blindsided him, it wasn't nothing Luka can do because the trade had already gone through. So now, you know, a lot of times in a relationship, well, hey, I'll do this.

I'll be better. I won't go out as much with the boys, I'll do this. I'll be better. I won't go out as much with the boys. I'll do this. I'll do that. So it hurts the individual that doesn't want to leave the relationship. But to see him that emotional, Pat Bev, it tells me he did not want to leave, even though he was going to the Lakers, which is one of the, probably the most storied franchise, it, Boston, and the Knicks,

the most storied franchise, it, Boston, and the Knicks, the most storied franchise in the NBA. Even though he was going there, he's like, bro, this is my home. I think he had just built a, what, just closed on a $15 million pad or something out there in Dallas. He didn't want to leave. And all of a sudden, y'all come up with all these reasons. I don't care what it was. Bro, do y'all see the numbers?

I just took you to the NBA finals. Two years ago, we was in the Western Conference finals. And this is what you think of me? It's only a couple people. I don't think people understand this. And Mr. Ochocinco, it's only a couple people

that average 32 points in the playoffs. Yeah. Him and Jordan. And one of them didn't have no hair on his head. It's only a couple of holes. Yeah. And so, you know what, Pat? Like, you gotta...

Listen, you know what that tells me, Pat? I've said it before. If this was a crime, if this trade and Anthony Davis leaving the Lakers and going to Dallas and Luka coming to the Lakers, if this was a crime, whoever's responsible for it would get life in jail. That's how bad this trade was. That's how bad it was. It's ridiculous.

For Luka to go out there tonight, to have that tribute, to have him cry and be emotional, then to have 31 at the half and finish the game with what, 48 on? He finished with 48 on?

I thought he had 45. Oh, the finish was 45. 45-86 with four steals. Man, that's ridiculous. And then every time he touched the ball, you playing in Dallas and everybody cheering. Oh, yeah. Then you got time he touched the ball, you playing in Dallas and everybody cheering.

Oh, yeah. Then you got the chance going on. Then you got the chance about, you know, insulting. Fodd-Nickel. Yeah, get him out of there. Fodd-Nickel. Come on, man. It's ridiculous.

It's ridiculous, man. And it's criminal the fact that this even went through. For a player of that caliber, just based on some personal thing that they didn't see fit and giving him the type of money he was going to get in a year or two. See, I like to look at it like this, right? We've all seen the stories of when a player leaves and you see fans burning jerseys, right? Oh, yeah.

You see fans, you got to put security outside. To be an athlete and to see the opposite of that, to see the fans gather together around the athlete, right? And kind of go at the top management, it's refreshing. You feel me?

I wouldn't say it's fair. I just say it's refreshing. This is what's being reported. According to Tim McMahon of ESPN, team sources have said trading Luka will likely cost the team nine figures, hundreds of millions of dollars over the next few years. This season, the Mavericks are expected to lose millions due to the dwindling crowds, plummeting merchandise sales and sponsors severing ties with the franchise in the wake of the trade. Numerous fans have canceled their season tickets and the Mavericks appear no closer to making amends with the fan base than they have that they have deeply hurt this season. Well, it's impossible to repair that.

And you can't get it back. You can't get it back because you got to think about it. This is the biggest trade because we've never seen a guy this young, this talented that didn't ask to be traded to get traded. Kareem asked to get traded. Shaq left. There have been other guys. LeBron moved.

KD moved. But to trade a guy at 26, averaging 28, 8, and 8, averaging 32 in the playoffs, and you move it, we've never seen anything like this, and we might not ever see it again, because normally, these guys like Luca

and LeBron and Steph, and the greats, Magic and Bird and Kareem and Jordan, they don't come along, but once every 15, 20 years, you got it! and the greats Magic and Bird and Kareem and Jordan, they don't come alone. But once every 15, 20 years, you got him. You got him. The thing what makes us all incredible, Pat Bell, is that you got him under contract,

and he doesn't want to go anywhere. Yeah. And you move him. Listen, hey don't think, I don't think Pat, you might know better than me. Your, your eyes and your ears are still to the NBA.

And do you know if what Luca was doing away from the court, away from the game of basketball, because the issue definitely had nothing to do with him. What he was doing on the court was what he was doing off the court. Really that bad to justify them moving him. A player of this magnitude that you just said averaged 32 in the playoffs and there's only one, a few people that have been able to do that.

What he was doing, was it that bad to really say, you know what, we're going to move on from him and send him to the Lakers and not tell anybody and just deal with the ramifications on the back end. You have to understand. I spent some time in Europe and I was able to deal with the ramifications on the back end. So you have to understand. So I spent some time in Europe and I was able to deal with some really, really, really, really, really good Europeans, right?

And I dealt with a guy named Milos Ter-Dosic. Milos Ter-Dosic, he had to have a couple cigarettes in his mouth after the game, but that's just how he relaxed, right? That was his Euro stuff, right step right everybody got something right everybody got something so that was his something i don't know if it was similar to any of that obviously we've seen the video he drinking a cold one after a big win with his pops somebody comes over mike finley comes over take beer out his hand you know we hear things about overweight we hear things about okay he keeps getting hurt because he drinks like right right we hear those things but

you really don't see them right you don't see them it's just you hear them so like if that if you can do all of that and that doesn't affect your play and you're still showing up not people forget not only does he show up he shows up at the biggest lights there is every single time. Every single time. Like tonight. Yeah. And it's only,

y'all know, right? Y'all been to Pro Bowl, y'all been in the spotlight, y'all know how it is to get that catch, you see that light on you, you run until you can't see run no more, right?

He's doing all that right in front of our eyes. 26 years old. Generational talent. Yes. You let go. You let go. I don't think. You know what?

Me personally. I think we use the term generational. But he's a transcendent talent. Transcendent. Magic. Jordan. Kareem. LeBron. Right.

The guys that we're going to be talking about for two generations. So our kids' kids going to be talking about this like, hold on, wait a minute. I mean, the guy had a 60-point, 20-rebound, a 10-assist game. He's got Petrovic vibes. I mean, how many, like, he's got, like, what, 40-point games now? It's crazy

how great he is. I was telling Ocho Pat Bell, when I first got in the league, guys used to smoke all the times. I saw Greg Towns with the Raiders at halftime. He outside sitting on his helmet smoking a cigarette. It doesn't really happen

in... I mean, there are guys on our team that would, hey, we get a break, they go to the truck and smoke a cigarette. Or, hey, they go fired up. It didn't bother me because they at the front of the line we doing wind sprints

day and first so hell I'm thinking I need to start smoking so I can keep up with the ass hey I tell you listen I tell you what based on the latest performance tonight somewhat of a pressure situation I wouldn't really call it a playoff atmosphere but

I can tell you this Pat we got Beverly Hills. We got Beverly Center. We got Pat Beverly. You know, Pat. Leg of the fire. Jason Kidd, Billy the Kid, y'all saw what Luka did.

Leg of the fire. Hey, and see, y'all gotta understand. I've played against him, right? Yeah. I got trophies. I got trophies at home.

A first team, two second teams. I don't just got one trophy. I got a couple of them. Okay. I guarded him in the playoffs. Oh, when you were with the Clippers. Listen, when I tell you, and I guarded all of them. You know, I done guarded from Steph Curry to Kyrie to LeBron James to me trying to guard Jokic in the post.

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Y'all had elite defenders. You, PG, Kawhi, and he's still dropping 30 and 4. I'm like, hold on, wait a minute. I mean, Kawhi, and he's still dropping 30 and 40. I'm like, hold on, wait a minute. I mean, Kawhi is a two-time defensive player of the year. He's an all-NBA defender. PG, all-NBA defender. Pat Bam told you his accolades.

And he got three. He's like, hey, okay, Pat, send me PG. PG, you better go get Kawhi. It was nothing we could do. It was absolutely nothing we can do. It got to a point halfway through the series, we say, you know what? Scratch.

Just let him score 50. We just go see if anybody else can beat him. You and everybody else, huh? Oh, yeah, it was trouble. Like you say, he's a different talent. He's a different talent. And J.J. Redick, I don't think he gets enough credit. I don't think J.J. Redick gets enough

credit. The Lakers' spacing throughout the entire system has to be probably some of the best spacing we done seen this season. They have three really good ball handlers and creators. And I'm adding Austin Reeves to that. They can say what they want. I'm adding Austin Reeves to that. They can say what they want. Yeah.

I'm adding Austin Reeves to that. Boy, he can hoop. Yeah. They be sleeping on it. They look at it because he's white, Pat Bale, but he can't. He cooking for it. And I know y'all know,

it was one defender that probably guarded y'all or one ride receiver that y'all seen in practice that was like, hey, man, hold on. He different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And. Yeah. And you know what's funny?

You know what's funny? When watching Luka as well, when you think about all the superstars, when you watch the Kobe's, the Michael Jordan's, there's something flashy about their game. There's something flashy about their game. And you can see it, you know, whether it be the skill set. But when I watch Luka, it almost seems as if he's moving in slow motion. When you look at it from TV, it's like,

well, that looks so easy. That move was so easy. It's not flashy, but every goddamn thing he does is effective, and it goes in half the damn time. I think the thing is, what you talk about, when you talk about those guys,

Pat Bevin, correct me if I'm wrong, when you talk about the elite, the one thing they had was supreme athleticism. We see Luka now. We see Jokic. And you're like, I know right now with two repaired hips and a bad knee, I cannot jump Luka and Jokic. I bet you my vert hot in both of those.

But I tell you what, you're not going to speed them up. They're going to go at their pace. And as Pat Bev said, they know how to put the ball in the basket at a supreme level over and over and over again. And because they can pass wherever you bring the double team from, they know where that man that left to come double him. They know where he is on the court. So now they can snap past it. You see Luka do this all the time. He go and he pass it behind his head because he knows there's a guy over there.

Or he'll clear cross court. And when you got him, you got LeBron, high IQ, and you got Austin Reeves, as Pat Bell said, that can handle the ball and can pass out of. Austin Reeves now get the third defender. Your third best defender got to guard Austin Reeves. Because the third defender your third best defender gotta guard Austin Reeves cause your two best defenders one better take Luka and the other better take LeBron

and you hope and pray they have an off night because if they don't you got nothing nothing absolutely nothing the defending off the bench from the wing position is really good their ability to get to generate great shots.

Not, I'm going to dribble 15 times and I'm going to shoot a step back. You might see that from Luka from time to time. But their ability to get the paint by posting, by playing, without dribbling, is pride of himself. Pat, your Wi-Fi glitching. I want to read this.

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now plays for the Lakers. I mean, you got you got some eight-figure deal, and Luke said, nah, I'm good. Hey, Pat Babb, I don't give a damn how mad I am. You mean to tell me you got eight figures for your boy? Let me get at that.

I'm getting all 10 deals, all deals that start with 10 and go upwards. I got to have that. I got to have that. Got to have that. Got to have that. Definitely got to have that. I got to have that. Got to have that. Got to have that.

Definitely got to have that. Yeah, but these are the type of deals that can set you back for a long period of time. Now, I think they're going to be okay. You got to think about it now. Without Kyrie, now you get Kyrie back,

who's a supreme scorer, who'll be the unbelievable AD in the pick and roll. I think they're going to be okay, I think they're going to be okay. I think they're going to be okay, Pat. I really do. But Luca, man. I just

from a standpoint of like, okay, we see the trade, we hear the fire Nico, but we, in his defense, right, because everybody had a day, right? Everybody had a day. In his defense, how does this look five years from now, right?

How does this look five years from now? Like, we've seen how it looked before Kyrie got hurt. Before Kyrie got hurt, they didn't lose a game. Right? I mean, so it was just bad timing. It was a lot of bad luck and a lot of bad timing with that. You know, the trade happened, then damn near the whole team go down. You know, so, but we got it.

Everybody got their day. Let's see. Let's see. Two to three. The question is, are they going to give Nico? Because, look, people keep blaming Nico. Pat Bell, you know this. A deal of this magnitude, you going all the way to the top.

This is what we got. Now, this year or next year, we're going to have to give this man a Supermax contract, which is five years, $345 million. You give it to him expeditiously. I agree. See? AD is going to want a 3 year deal at a super max number

at 193 maybe 200 million you wait one second you wait we got to take care of something over here first because at a time AD was taken care of first and somebody else had to wait

so that's the pecking order and you got Kyrie coming up too AD was taken care of first and somebody else had to wait. Correct. Right. Right? So that's the pecking order. And you got Kyrie Kyrie coming up too. Okay, well, at the Luka Kyrie, we gonna get to you. AD, we gonna get to you

after that. Wow. We talk about pecking order though. Yeah. This is if all of us is GMs I believe that that'd be the pecking order.

Oh, I ain't getting rid of Luka. Exactly the same way here. Hold on. If all of us was GMs, Luka would still be in Dallas. We'll be trying to decide what new blue we go wear on our jerseys. Look here. If I got Luka, he could come in with a keg.

I'll put his ass in the game. Hey, as a matter of fact, he want to smoke when you can't smoke in the building. But I was like, hey, I'm going to have a designated area. Hey, Luca, go get you a couple of pool. Hey, get a man a vaping pen or something. Hey, pen and I have some beer waiting for him after every

game. What beer you want? Yeah. But we still got time to see we gotta see how Niko you know he pulled this off he might pull something else out of his sleeve so you gotta give everybody got their day so Niko have his day Pat as I mentioned earlier if the Lakers win

one more of their final three games they get the number three seed in a scenario what would be the worst first round matchup for the Lakers would it be the Clippers would it be the Warriors would it be the Nuggets would would be the worst first round matchup for the Lakers? Would it be the Clippers? Would it be the Warriors? Would it be the Nuggets? Would it be the Grizzlies? Or Minnesota?

Who do you think the worst case scenario matchup for them would be? So, it was different from a long time. It was different. I felt like the older LeBron got, the younger the league got, and everybody just kept picking on the Lakers the older LeBron got, the younger the league got, and everybody just kept picking on the Lakers, picking on the Lakers,

picking on the Lakers, right? Taking advantage, right? Taking advantage of the Lakers. I ain't going to lie, huh? This might be one of the – because you know, you get that team in the playoffs, it ain't about schemes, it ain't about plays, it's all about size, it's all about mashups. Right.

Half-court set. It's all about size. It's all about mashups. Right. Half court set. It's all about size and mashups. Who can generate the most points half court? What the Lakers can do with that team, with that coach, with those three ball handlers, I think they are mismatched for everybody in the West. No one in the West can guard Luke. Nobody.

We've seen it. We've seen it. We've seen it. And Phoenix, when they got them out of there, we've seen it. Okay, come on, Minnesota. Rudy Goldberg, player of the year. Y'all young, too.

All right, come on, let me holler at you. We've seen it. We saw what he did to OKC last year. We've seen it. It ain't like it's a surprise. We actually watched it. We saw what he did to OKC last year. We've seen it. It ain't like it's a surprise. We actually watched it on TV. Like, damn, Luka gave him 30 again. Like, we've seen it.

So, like, I think the Lakers might be that. I think the Lakers are that team. I think they're bad. No one wants to see the Lakers. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on now, Pat. Now, listen, I've heard many discrepancies when it comes to the Lakers about them not having a big. Do you not see or worry about them not having a big

when they face certain teams, especially the teams that aren't named, and only being able to go small? And when they do have to go big, LeBron sometimes having to go down to the five? Jackson Hayes not playing as many minutes at the five and sometimes being in foul trouble. So my thing is this. LeBron is naturally, at the age he is and how his body is made up, he's naturally a four, five-ish type anyway right now, right?

Because the league is changing, right? Not because of skill set, because the league is changing, right? He can be the backup four, he can be the backup five on any really good team. Right. My thing is, it's ways to defend the rim without having a shot blocker. If you tighten those gaps up and you make these teams shoot threes, ball don't get in the paint. If you got these defenders like Rui, and Rui was great tonight, too, by the way.

He was phenomenal. He was phenomenal. You talk about Benny Smith Jr. You talk about Vanderbilt, right? You talk about these wings. They all look the same size. They all dive on the floor.

They all got a little muscle and a little gristle to them, right? You talk about these guys, you don't need rim protection. If they can't get to the paint, you don't need rim protection. And the thing is,

you're going to get great in the half court. You're going to get great shots because eventually, and you saw this tonight, you saw this against OKC, you see this a lot. They're going to get great. In the half court, you're going to get great shots. Because eventually, and you saw this tonight, you saw this against OKC, you see this a lot. They're going to blitz Luka. They're going to make him give it up.

If you don't, he's going to punish you. There's not a defender that can deal with Luka one-on-one. You've got to make him give it up. And you'll find out early on how soon you're going to have to make him give it up. Because he's going to test you. Because he's going to shoot a couple of step backs early to see if he can feel it. Now, when you defend that,

now he's going to get by you. He's going to stop. You're going to rear end it and he's going to bid and one. So you soon you'll start blitzing, making him give it up, but he's giving the ball up to LeBron James. He's giving the ball up to Austin Reeves. Let that sink in for the first time.

LeBron James is going to go into a playoff series, and he's the second best player on his team. And it took him 22 years for it to happen, Pat Bell. But now, he's the second best player on the team. And that's not because LeBron is a lack of talent or anything, right? That's not because of that. That's just because they have some other really good playmaking. Right. And people don't understand when it comes to basketball, like spacing and especially in the playoffs, spacing and rebounding are probably the two most incredible things that you have to do.

Rebounding like I break it down in football terms. You get hand on that ball, that ball get loose. You can't drop ball. You can't fumble ball. Not this game. Not this game. You can get away with it. I don't care how you do get away with it, but this game you can't do it. Rebounding is exactly the same way. So if you double teaming Luka, right, you got two guys on him.

He passes out to a guy who misses a three. Now you're rebounding the shot, right? That's the give you get from trapping. Okay, you guys might trap. We might have to shoot a shot that a guy can't shoot, but we're going to get a good rebound now because y'all spacing that stuff. Right.

Those who know basketball. That's what the Warriors do. See, people think because the Warriors are small, they can't rebound it. Well, if you're just playing conventional basketball, you would be absolutely correct. But because they shoot the three, and now you're scrambling because they swing the ball, and you're trying to run somebody off, you're out of position.

The ball goes up. Now you're scrambling. Now Moody, Pod, Draymond, Moody, all those guys are getting rebounds. And you're like, well, damn, this little-ass team out-rebounded us by 10. You look up. You're like, damn, we got out-rebounded us by 10. You look up, you're like, damn! We got out-rebounded by this small ass team. Yes.

And because, like you said, they got three guys that can pass and the thing is, if the Lakers look, normally when the bench gives them like 20 points, the Lakers are hell to beat. Because you know you're going to get at least somewhere between 75 and maybe 90 from the big three.

You're going to get that. If you get 20, they're going to be hard to beat. They're going to be hard to beat. And really, if you go back and look at the West, the only big, the only one team that has a big that can punish the Lakers, and that's Yolk. That's it. Look, I'm not worried about Hardenstein. I'm not worried about Chet.

I'm not worried about anybody big in the West other than Yolk. The question is, the problem with Denver is that it seems like when Jamar Murray gets to the playoffs, he's like, oh, I'm supposed to be Magic Johnson. I'm supposed to be one of these all-time historic great guards, and he goes crazy especially against the Lakers yeah

but I think this year though I ain't gonna lie to you I think this year y'all know we all athletes like we all have done it I don't care how good your team is if there's any type of dark cloud any type of negative energy right you lose a coach

it's it takes a lot of more energy to be focused on okay let's win a championship right right right a famous coach doc rivers told me he said pat i do basic stuff because i want my players to understand the better they understand the better can not be players and just be athletes. Right. So, you got this guy firing, you're hearing the new voice now. You guys know the new voice don't sound like... The old voice. Yeah, they don't sound like Coach. I can't run up to him and, hey, Coach,

check it out. I see an opening right here. Like, it's just different. So, that takes time. Right. So, I wouldn't be surprised if Denver was out of their first round. I ain't gonna lie to you. First round? First round. I ain't gonna lie. I mean, with that going around, I mean, that's just how the basketball, that's how the sports gods are. Right. You know, you disrespect the game. You fire a coach like that in the playoffs. This ain't a Cinderella story. These angels gonna beat everybody.

Like they're gonna be put to test. They're gonna be put to test. You mentioned head coach Mike Malone and the general manager. Calvin Booth was terminated. ESPN reported that the tension had been brewing between Booth and Malone for quite some time, so so much so that the source described it as a cold war. Denver had lost four straight and was just 11-13 since the All-Star break. Players such as Yolk have displayed frustration on the sideline. Vibes have been low, according to a source.

There's another report that said Westbrook's minutes were a part of the riff. It reported that Booth was questioning, bro, why are you playing Westbrook when you should be playing, I forget the younger guy's name. Pickett. What's his name, Pat? My last name is Pickett. Yep, yep forget the younger guy's name. Pickett. What's his name, Pat? My last name is Pickett. Yep, yep, yep. That's it.

And so you look at Yote. He's giving you 45, 13, and 10, and they lost all three. He gave you a 60-point triple-double, a 40-point triple-double, and he was an assist short of a triple-double on the 38-point game. So he gave you 45, 13, and 10 over three games, man, and they lost all three games. So my thing is this. It goes back to what we was talking about Dallas, right?

I don't think this is a problem that has just been brewing this year. I think the problem was lost after they won the championship, and they didn't pay Bruce Brown, right? Yeah. You lose your defense and wing guy. I wouldn't say he was the heart and soul, but you lose a little grit. Yeah, right. When things get hard, you need a little bit more grit. Okay, cool.

They was able to sustain that, right? Then the following year, they came up short. They lost to Minnesota. And actually, the year before, Bruce Brown had a stellar— he got paid off that Minnesota series. Then coming to free agency before, Bruce Brown had a stellar, he got paid off that Minnesota series. Then coming in free agency, you lose Caldwell Pope, right?

You talk about now you done lost. And as a team, you need the locker room. The locker room is the most important, right? The culture is the most important. And the ability to win games

and the real games is not based on the star players. It's based off the culture of the team. The role, yep. That's what makes me so good. Right. So you lose these two guys,

right? You try to fill a void with Chris Brown. You try to fill a void with Watson. You try with these young guys, pick it, right? And then you want to go

get Russ, right? You're surprised it doesn't work now. And now you have to point blame at somebody? You talking about... They beat us 3-1 in the bubble yep we were supposed to play it up you know that team we had

lakers yeah yeah they beat us 3-1 so i'm able to see this this team up close and personal i'm able to see this coach up close and personal, right? Elite coach. I honestly think he overachieved in Denver. Overachieved. And to be able to come down there, implement your system, right? Have a two-time MVP that's selfless. Usually the MVP is like,

no, give me the rock. I'm shooting a fadeaway. I'm doing this. I'm talking about a selfless MVP, right? And you don't make the moves you're supposed to make in free agency, and you're wondering why your team is not the same team. It baffles me. It actually baffles me.

Pat, I was wondering, did you hear what James Harden said, the reason why they're having success? He said personnel. He said personnel. There's only two guys that's not there, and I don't know what he was trying. What was he trying to say? Because he said the only thing is personnel.

I don't need to say anything else. Yes. This thing was like everyone knows their roles. Right. And as a player who's, you know, I didn't have a cup of tea. I spent 12, 13 years in the NBA, right? Right. So, like, knowing your role and for me to be, you know, I didn't have a cup of tea. I spent 12, 13 years in the NBA, right? Right. So, like, knowing your role, and for me to be, you know,

the ultimate role player, right, knowing your role helps everybody else out around you, right? Not only do you know your role now, you can thrive in your role. Right. Okay, cool. I know my role on this team is swings, rebound, and if I get it, you know, I get it in the corner, I'm going to shoot it. i know my role on this team is swings rebound and if i get it you know i get it in the corner i'm gonna shoot it that's my role i'm gonna stay in my role now i'm gonna thrive in my role right he had guys over there obviously the paul george we can name the paul

george the russell westbrook the pj tucker remember pj tucker was bones highland also yeah remember they went through that whole debacle with Ty Lue. They were arguing. They were, you know, one part of the team. You can't forget those guys also. All that mixed up, again, talked about. It's hard doing games like that, man. You got so much bad going around. You can't basketball.

How? Because you got James Harden. Look, it seems to be play basketball. How? Because you got James Harden. Look, it seems to be like James Harden is going to be James Harden. Harden is going to be Kawhi's back healthy. Kawhi's back healthy. Zubox is playing unbelievable. I still, Magic, my guy, I love Magic. Magic was out of his mind for trading Mike Muscala for Zubox.

Can you imagine Zubat with LeBron and Luka? Or Zubat with AD and Bron? Because now Luka, now AD could have slid to the four like he wanted to play. Leave Zub at the five.

Can you imagine what that would? Let's not talk about things that could have been. No, I was there when we traded for Big Zub. I was there. Hey, man, Pat, we're getting this big center here. I mean, where you from, man? Tell me. Man, he from overseas, Pat, man.

I bring him here. Big Zub, man, had a box haircut. Yeah, I got him right on. Hey, man, put some swag on you, man. Yeah, unbutton your shirt. Kick your chest out. I got Zoo right. Top four center in the NBA right now.

He playing like it. I mean, he's had a 30-20 game, a 20-20 game. Zoo is playing. And guess what? He can get his points, and you don't run that one play for him. Not one. They don't say, hey say hey zoo go down there what hand you want on you want to left get on the right block i'm gonna throw it here go down to the

left i'm gonna throw it down all he does hey james hard lay off oh he get it off the rim put it back i'm not running anything for him so now i get james hard and do what you do kawai do what you do like you said know your role. Ocho knew every game. I'm number one receiver. I'm going to get my catches. I'm going to get my 10 targets. Now Ocho ain't got a thing.

Oh, hold on. I ain't got but one target? Okay, the next three quarters, I'm going to get at least three a quarter. Maybe four. So when you know your role, like you said, Pat, when you know your role, you can thrive. And the simpler you keep it, you don't have to think, I can just let my athletic ability take over. I take my athletic ability over anybody that I'm playing against.

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Pat, Ocho, will KG and Truth, Paul Pierce, will they ever bear the hatchet? Is this thing going to ever go away? You won a championship. What's going on, Pat? No, I don't think so. I don't know personally what went down in that locker room when that happened. It's just speaking of just being a basketball player.

I think it's deeper than what people are saying. I think it's a little bit more to it. It has to be. Damn. It has to be. It has to be. Damn. It has to be. It has to be. Not, you know, to hold a grudge that long

at that age. Yeah. You can be young from a grudge, but to be, you're talking about in your 40s now. You feel me? Yeah.

You feel me? It has to be something more. And, you won a championship. It wasn't like y'all got close and he left when y'all was on the cusp. You hadn't won a championship. You had't like y'all got close and he left when y'all was on the cusp. You hadn't won a championship.

You had been to another. And, you know, I mean, come on now. You give a choice. Let's see. You gonna stay there and play with Ticket and Truth and Rondo, or you gonna go play with D-Wade, Chris Bosh, and LeBron? I'm giving you a choice,

Fabio. I'm gonna go play with D-Wade, Le Bosh, and LeBron. I'm giving you a choice, Fabio. I'm going to go play with D-Wade, LeBron, Chris Bosh. Exactly. I mean, think of the look he's going to get. You was down there in Miami. So you know, think about, you got LeBron, and that was LeBron at his apex. Oh, yeah.

That was at him a crescendo. You got D-Wade slashing. You got Chris Bosh, who sacrificed the most because Chris Bosh was a 20 and 10 guy. People don't realize, Pat Bell, how great Chris Bosh was

when he was in Toronto. He was, you know, I got drafted to the Heat. Oh, did you? My rookie year was LeBron James. Rookie year. Okay.

Chris Bosh was the second best skilled player on the team. Wow. The stuff he was doing in practice. Okay, you can ask. Adonis Haslam, Jawan Howard, Jamal McGlashan. Not Jamal. Big Cat, one of the coaches in Toronto, I forgot his name. You can go down the list for the guys that was there. When he was going to people in practice, I haven't seen a four-man ever do that to nobody.

Nobody. He was destroying people in practice every single day. Every day. I'm a rookie, huh? I'm looking at Mike Miller. I'm looking at Carlos Arroyo pulling up in red Ferraris and LeBron James. He's 270

and I'm looking at D-Wade. I'm rookie. I mean, they're like, oh, okay. That's what it is. Right? So, yeah, I've seen that up close and personal. And I've seen the preparation with that up close and personal. Man was in the weight room before everybody, Chris Bosh.

It's sad what happened to him. It's sad. It's sad. Like, he's supposed to go, like, he's supposed to do more. You're supposed to hear, like, more stories. Like, yeah, he hit a gang winner in a championship. He's a four-time champion. He's one of those guys.

Wow. Elite talent. Hey, I think it is personal too, when you think about it. What Ray said, obviously him not being responsible and inviting Ray, I think it's more than just basketball. It's something we don't know about, and

it makes me think about the movie Life. When Martin and Eddie got into it, and it was personal for years and they didn't speak at all. It's like that kind of level. Like, well, damn, you can really do that to us? After all we've been through?

And you're going to go play with the enemy? And then when Chip... Yeah. And then when... The reason they wanted Chip hit the shot around the world.

Yeah, I don't want to hear it. I'm Ray Allen. I'm Jesus Shutterworth. I don't want to hear. They're taking that personally away. But like I said, I don't want to hear it. I'm Ray Allen. I'm Jesus Shutterworth. I don't want to hear it. They're taking that personally. But like I said, I just, I think it's, I mean, it's what, that's been, man, it's been 15 years. It's been, what, 12, 13 years. Man, it's time to move.

You're closer to the end than the beginning. You only got so many more trips around the sun now. I mean, I hope y'all don't think y'all got, I don't know how old Paul Pierce and Ticket is, but like you said, Pat, they're in their 40s. Yeah. Your best years, your absolute best years are behind you. To have a petty beat because someone left,

okay, I guess people should feel bad for taking leaving Minnesota. They should feel bad for Truth leaving Boston. But nobody hold that against them because you went to a situation that you felt was best for you. At the end of the day, guys don't owe guys

anything. I got to do what's in the best interest for me. I'm a business. I'm an entity. I mean, you think Google making decisions based on what Microsoft doing? Or, you know, Microsoft or Oracle or Nvidia? No. I'm a business. I got to make the decision that's best for me.

And I believe if the money's comparable, money's going to be better because they ain't got no state taxes in Florida. And I'm playing with LeBron, I'm playing with D-Wade, and I'm playing with Bosh. And I'm a grown-ass man. I can make my own decisions. Oh, yeah. I got kids.

Ocho? You didn't hear him, huh? Is it only me? Because I can't hear Ocho? You ain't hear him, man? Somebody might. Is it only me? Because I can't hear Ocho or Pat Bell. Yeah, we can hear you. Can you hear us? I can hear you, man.

I can hear Ocho, too. Ocho, I can hear you. You can hear me, Ocho? Yeah, I hear you clear. Y'all keep. I can't hear you right now because I don't have my ears in. It's all right. Oh, you can hear me?

Oh, he can't hear. He can't hear. See, look, that's what happens when you talk about age. See what happens when you get old, you stop here. Yeah. That's what happens when you talk about age. See what happens when you get old, you stop here. I know y'all talking ish, but that's okay.

Y'all laughing too hard about me talking. Man got good sense, don't he? Man got good sense, don't he? Man got good sense, don't he? Y'all love the Kiki Kid, Ocho falling all out of his chair. Pat Bell, Pat Bell standing on his head. Yeah, y'all talking. I know. Oh, he still can't hear us? I hear you now.

Oh, okay. I know what's up. What the hell you mean, what's up? Hey, hey, chat. You know how you walk in the room and everybody be quiet? Like, hey, man, how you doing? You've been talking about me for the last 30 minutes. Tell me how I'm doing.

No, I told him. And the decision he can make, he can make it because he's a grown-ass man. Right. I'm not entitled to tell y'all what to do or not to do. I'm Ray entitled to tell y'all what to do or not to do. I'm Ray Allen. Yeah. And he was Ray Allen before he got to— Y'all, they make it seem like Ray Allen was not Ray Allen.

Do they remember Ray Allen in Milwaukee? Do they remember Ray Allen in Seattle? Ray Allen was— Jesus got to work. His name was Jesus. Yes. The first black man named Jesus. I don't think people realize that.

People don't realize how, hey, he turned into a three-point shooter, but Ray was going to the rack dunking on folks. His role changed and he knew his role. He knew his role. Ray was giving folks that business. Yeah, he was legit. I'm going to need your expertise on this one. Ja threw a grenade at the crowd the other night.

You know, he can't, he can't, he can't do that anymore. He can't do... Pat, if you was in the locker room with Ja, what would you sit down and talk to the young brother? What would you tell him? I wouldn't try to, right? Because I was in the locker room with Anthony Edwards, too. Right.

So my job in the locker room is, man, look, I ain't here trying to be your daddy, but I'm going to try to be a brother. You feel me? You know these folks on you, right? You hot right now. You just got out. Yep. You just got out. Yep. You just got out.

Yeah, you got to check in every so often. Man, look. Stay off that corner. Them folks, they looking for you. Yeah. Calm down. Tread lightly. Just do that for about six months.

Them folks go give you everything you want. You can keep it moving. Oh, not him. Mm-mm. I mean, and a lot of times, Pat, we hear people that's not in that position. Let that man be him. Let that man live his life. Well, that's why you're not in that position.

Because I don't care what anybody says. There are certain things that you have to do, no matter who you are or how much, how big you are. Right. It is what it is. No, but my thing is,

I hope it's not, uh, I hope it's not going to be a lingering thing. That's my thing. I hope it don't get to a point where we told you. So you feel right. They did it don't get to a point where we told you so. You feel me? They did it to Allen Iverson. Right?

They did it to Allen Iverson. You're talking about a trendsetter. You're talking about somebody who literally changed the game. They got right out of there. Not because of no guns and no AI wasn't even doing that. They got them out of that because of

I practice. Do you practice? They made a thing, a big that. They got them out of that because of our practice. Do you practice? They made a thing, a big thing and got them out of that. So that's my, that's my fear and everything, right? You don't want to get to a point where you're such a big distraction that it's a negative,

uh, a kind of tool that comes to you and around that organization, you know? So you just don't want you, especially his age and especially what's going around now. Right especially what's going around now especially what's going around in memphis and in these inner cities who need who need that face they need job yeah right yeah because he's their coach right so if he can like turn that light right and just turn it the other way right and i ain't telling you to go out there and pray to the gods and do all that.

I'm telling you to be yourself, be a basketball player, be swaggy, do your damn. Right. My son do the grit. So they're taking some type of positive from it. My thing is let's just use that big old light, that big old platform you got, John. Let's just use it in another way. That's all. Let me ask you a question.

Yeah. How surprised would you be if Memphis moved you in the offseason? I wouldn't say that's going to happen now, but that's usually the next steps. You see a coach leave, right? We're in the locker room, we see a coach get fired, players get to looking around.

I'm going to start my day next, man. Then it becomes player. Listen, I'm going to start my next, man. Then it becomes player. I mean, listen. Yeah. I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you. I have my sources in the NBA. I'm not going to disclose those sources

because they probably wouldn't tell me anything else at this point. And Pat, I can tell you. I can see John coming down here to Miami. Yeah. I ain't going to tell you who told me. And I'm not telling you what I heard. I'm telling you what I know.

So if it does happen to happen later on in the future, just know you heard it from me first. I don't know if y'all got anything that they want. Y'all going to trade them Bam? Y'all going to trade them Tyler Hero? Because that's the only pieces that y'all got? They're not going to give you y'all best player. You got to give them something comparable, Ocho.

Right. I mean, we're going to cross that bridge when we get there. But I'm just telling you what I know. That's it. Because the reports are, Nico Harrison, Harrison, Harrison,

Harrison, he reached out to Minnesota. Ant-Man, is he available? Nope. Absolutely not. He reached out to Milwaukee. Is Giannis available? Nope.

Great. Absolutely not. But at that point in time, he's like, hold on. We're probably doing too much calling around. This is going to get out. So now, so now Pat Bell, we got to hone in.

Okay. Our next, our next move got to be our best move. Hey, uh, he called LA. Rob. Hey man,

how you doing? Yeah, man, I I'm good What you think You think we can get Anthony Davis off you for a Luca No no no no The language was different The language had to be like this Ring ring ring What's up

Hey man what's going on man how you doing Hey I'm good check it out I got something for you. I'm about to give you a Ferrari. You give me back a bag of potatoes. Come on, Pat. You could at least get a Bentley. Matter of fact, I ain't going to lie to you.

A bag of potatoes with a hole in the bottom because you're giving me damaged goods. Damn, Pat. At least you could have said a Bentley, Pat. Man, you're giving me damaged goods. Damn, Pat. At least you could have said a bit, Pat. Man, you're giving me damaged goods, man. I got my goods. I couldn't even eat my goods. I can't play my goods. I can't cook my goods. My goods ain't available. Right. Damn.

Dang. I see you. But I see you in L.A. You driving Ferrari, you doing me like this. And now they're looking at me crazy, talking about firing me. No, no, no, no. We ain't going to do that.

No, we ain't going to do that. Not here. Not here. But you know what? In order, because here's the thing. There are certain people you don't even call and ask about.

You're not even calling Boston asking about Jason Tatum. You're not even... There are certain... You're not... I mean, there are certain people you won't even call in Boston asking about Jason Tatum. You're not even... There are certain... You're not... I mean, there are certain people you won't even call. So, the mere fact Rob probably said, hold on. You would really consider

trading Luka? Right. Because Rob is thinking like, hold on. You're not calling Golden State about no stuff. You're not calling OKC about Shea. What? You know they're not answering the phone.

You're not even, you're not calling Denver about yolk. There's some things you don't even pick up the phone to call. There's some things, like when we were growing up, you wouldn't ask your mom, dad, or grandma. I wouldn't even bother

because I already know what they're asking. Right. Answer no. Every time. Listen, hey, you getting ready to go in the store with your mama? Matter of fact, she tell you before you even get out of the car, when we get in here. Don't you ask for nothing.

Don't ask for nothing. And you better not push that buggy up on my damn heels either. For real. I mean, that was a game changer. Hey, Ocho, you know we pushing the buggy and all of a sudden they stop and you not paying attention. Boy, did I tell you. You hit that lower cab, that Achilles. Yeah.

Matter of fact, hold on. My grandma, listen, I never forget. You know about Zares? You ever heard of Zares before? Oh, man. Pat, I done ran into my grandma into Achilles not paying attention pushing the buggy

and she done stopped abruptly in front of me and I had no idea ran to the back of her and she didn't even look back at me she just cool swing without even looking back

cause she knew exactly where I was at right outside the head right outside the head boy that's memories right there you can't ask for nothing like don't ask for nothing like don't ask for nothing

we going here so far so on huh why we gotta go I didn't get your I didn't get your feelings on this cause you know

you you the way you handled this was very very very perfect the you had two friends

kinda get into it a little bit how that feel who that LeBron and Steve today yeah I know of get into it a little bit. How'd that feel? Who, that LeBron and Stephen A? Yeah, I know that put you on a little pickle, man. I know that put you on a pickle. Man, look here.

Stephen A is Stephen A. LeBron felt that Stephen A crossed the line because he questioned him as a father. You're not questioning Bronny's skills. You're not questioning my skills. You're questioning saying I'm doing damage to my son by having him play. Bro, he's the 55th player. I mean, there's only 60 players selected. They make it seem like they took Bronny in the lottery.

Right. And plus, you have to understand, the man had a major medical issue. Give him some time to recover from that. Now, if in three years, he's still mellowing around, okay, it is what he did because LeBron has swallowed a lot of stuff for 22 years. For him to approach him in a public setting during a timeout of a basketball game lets you know just how upset he was. He said what he said. Stephen A said he understood. Cool. The problem that I had with Stephen A, and I told Stephen A this, bro, you should have left that alone. Once you say you understood

it, but when you went and made the rounds and you said what you said on Gil's Arena and you went to other platforms, and then you added yeast to the story, that's where I was out on it. I mean, Stephen A, my guy, we talk about a lot of stuff, not just, you know, first take stuff. we talk about a lot of stuff, not just, you know,

he, uh, first take stuff. We talk about a lot of stuff and, and, you know, he's helped me, gave me, giving me some good advice.

And I like to think I've given him some, I just wish whatever happened that Friday night or whatever it was, that would have been the end of it. Yeah. And we made a good case on our, on our pod. We made a good case. People should be judged case on our pod. We made a good case. People should be judged.

Case scenario, right? Right. Talk about the talent, right? Talk about me not being good. Talk about, like, criticize me, right? But don't criticize me because of who my dad is. Yeah. Like you say, I'm 55th pick.

Ain't nobody talking about these two bum ass motherfuckers that was number one and number two exactly that's losing every game we don't even know look we talk about bronnie so much people forget that he was the 55th pick people forget who the first three picks were hell i couldn't tell you i mean hardly any of the picks my point exactly you You feel me? So, like, when you're dealing with that, right, and one thing I like about the James family,

the way they take the criticism is absolutely... Everybody built for that, though, Pat Bell. Remarkable. Yeah. Also, Pat, you know, you got to understand, you got to understand how long they've been in it. How long they've been in it. So, really, after this long, you got to think the pressure's to understand how long they've been in it. How long they've been in it. So really after this long, you got to think the pressure's been on LeBron since what?

Coming out of high school. Yeah, since he was a junior in high school. He burst off when they put him on Sports Illustrated, said the chosen one. So he's 40 now. He was 16 or 17 then. So that's been 23, 24 years. For damn near a quarter century, he's been in the public eye.

And so it's just like any parent. If you're in a situation and you can help your child, who doesn't? We see these CEOs and presidents and these own accompanies. What did Jerry do? All of his kids, ain't nobody saying, well, Steven ain't qualified. Charlotte ain't qualified. As a parent, that's what you do. You try to put your kid in the best

situation. And then it's up to him to make the most best of the situation that you're putting me in. We got the blueprint from them. That's what we got the blueprint. Oh, man, I see these CEOs, they're doing this, man. Okay, man, this person deserves this job, but they go hire a cousin over here,

cousin, and really did nothing. They still go hire. Okay, cool. We still all that. So let's do the same thing, right? I mean, collectively, longevity uh you talk about legacy wise you have to get the first the mom a lot of credit because it starts with her and it trickles all the way down right to miss savannah it trickles all the way down you have to give that family a

lot of credit they've done a lot and to steal every time you see them, for them to look so, so royal, so like with so much royalty and having themselves in the class is really impressive, especially coming from the black culture, especially coming from

the black culture. And this is how I know, this is how I know not only the James class, the James family is class personified, but LeBron James is well packed

because you think about his accolades, his achievements, and what he's been able to do since coming out of high school, the pressure being on him, him being able to take it all this time and reaching a milestone of being the highest

scoring NBA player of all time. And the fact that when he hit that 50,000 points in whatever game that was, I just wanted to show you because the rest of the chat has seen it. Some of the other people that have been on here have been able to see it. Unc has been able to see it. You know, LeBron gifted me

the 50,000 ball, the 50,000 point ball, and I just wanted to show it to you. Just check that out. You sure? Yeah. You know know I was I was on the Lakers when that game happened

yeah this the ball right here you'll turn around a little bit no that ain't it no you ain't no that ain't it I know

I ain't play with that ball I ain't play with that ball yeah I scored too that game that ain't the ball I scored with that ain't the ball what's going on with you Play with the ball. Yeah, I scored two that game. That ain't the ball I scored with. That ain't the ball.

Pat, what's going on with you, Lou Wills and Brandon Jennings? You posted today that you kicked their ass in a one-on-one tournament. Lou Williams, Jeff Teague, Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson. Every one of them both knows. You get on the court with me, and I'm going to dog y'all. What'd you say? say low five high five patent five hey no but so you gotta understand

like for me my role coming to the NBA was very different right I've been on the team with Ty Lawson right I've been on the team with Lou Will right I've been I played against brandon james so five on five segment is very different than a one-on-one set absolutely right yeah i'm able to practice against these guys and i'm the guy that man i can't shoot anyway i gotta play

defense all the time because i gotta say y'all ass anyway so okay so they know what i bring to the table like you know that guy in practice that no matter you suit up with you, man, he going to give me hell every single day. He ain't going to let up. Right. Right. Or if y'all,

in my case, y'all probably was the guy that didn't let up on. Yeah. I'm saying, so that's how it is with me in practice. So like, I know coming in, in a dough,

like one-on-one in a dough with me, like, like with me, I'm a different animal. Like I, I don't stop chewing. I keep going. I keep going. I keep going. I'm I'm, I want bone like I don't stop chewing I keep going I keep going

I keep going I want bone I want flesh I want bone I want meat I want gristle I want veins like I'm

yeah I get wild when I'm in that cage you know so I like that I like that yeah it's different hey I got a question since you really got that

kind of you got that in fact you got that obviously most of us we call it that dog mentality it's not something that's taught it's already in you you already got that kind of, you got that, in fact, you got that, obviously, most of us, we call it that dog mentality. It's not something that's taught. It's already in you. You already got that. So I'm just curious. You talk about

playing them boys. If you and I were to play one-on-one, knowing that we both kind of think alike and we cut from the same motherfucking claw, you think a game of the 11, you could deal with me? Yeah. Yeah. Not like, see, look, my finger's doing something. I don't even know what they're doing. Right, right, right. But not like, see, look, my finger's doing something.

I don't even know what they're doing. Right, right, right, right. But not like just because you play a different sport or whatever. That's not the case. Just the case that I will die out there before I lose. Are you willing to do the same? Hold on. I'm willing to die about a lot of things.

Okay. Let me tell you something, Pat. Let me tell you something about me, right? I owe Unk $5,200, right? I ain't paid Unk money in about seven months. Yeah, he about to die, Pat, before you get a hold of him. I'm willing to die, Pat. I'm willing to die by that $5,200. This ninja crazy.

He going to talk about I owe Unk, and I ain't even paid it. And I ain't thinking, oh, hell no. Oh, hell no, Pat. You got to tell this man I'm going to have to cut before he get on the court. And I ain't thinking, oh, hell nah. Oh, hell nah, man. You got to tell this man I'm going to have him cut before he get on the court. And on the side. Chad, y'all heard this man. This man be talking about all night, talking about, yeah, I'm going to run your money.

We get to Baltimore. Now he get into it with Pat Baird, talking about he ain't going to pay me my money. I would just use that as a small example. Now I'm going to give you your money anyway. I would tell him, Pat, I'm talking about he ain't going to pay me my money. I would just use that as a small example. Now, I'm going to give you your money anyway. I would tell him, Pat, I'm trying to give him an example of how I'm willing to die about not giving it, but I'm going to give it to you. So I'm just trying to get Pat. Yeah, I'm trying to get Pat to understand, like, I'm really like that too. And if you're willing to die by that, I mean, we on the same page.

Right, right, yeah. I would really love to schedule a one-on-one between us. I'll come to you. I'll spot you 5 to 11. Who, me? I'm talking to you. Ain't no Al. I'm talking to you.

No, no, no, no. See, this is the thing. You play professional basketball. You have yet to see me play. I averaged 56 in high school. I was supposed to go to the NBA, but I got in trouble. I got suspended.

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To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. so so what sports and i think we all know this with sports it's uh it's the it's the major major component that's always important and that's uh conditioning right that's me that's me i'm conditioned right i just played a game a month ago in front of 7 000 you know 18 5 and 5 you and 5. You know, I'm— Okay. They screamed another language over there. Well, I'm playing. I'm happy with my weight.

I'm backpiling on the way back like this. Right. Okay. So conditioning is a part of it. Mental conditioning is the most important part of it. That's what they don't teach you. That's what you can't get out of gym, right? That's that's right they don't teach you that's what you can't get in a gentleman right that's that's that stuff i'ma just lift and keep doing this rep until all my muscles burn

until i feel a burn that i ain't never felt before and then when i feel that i'ma do some more like okay that type but yeah i get wow okay let me yeah let me let me let me tell you something about my kind of conditioning. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. I'm going to tell you about my kind of conditioning. All right? My conditioning, you know, I play soccer. Hold on.

Hold on. Let me write this down because I like to be a headliner. Write it down. I played a striker. You hear me? I played a nine. I played 45-minute half straight with no break, running full speed. You hear me?

That's fast. That's no breaks, no timeouts, no commercials. 45 minutes. That's two halves of those. Okay? That's part breaks, no timeouts, no commercials. 45 minutes. That's two halves of those. Okay? That's part of my conditioning. Then my physical and mental conditioning. I take these right here.

These called roast balls. Now, this kind of conditioning, I do at home. I don't know, Pat. You pop one of them, it might be over. You hear me? I pop one of these. You hear me? I put Chan Cam, put her might be over. You hear me? You hear me? I popped one of these. You hear me? I put Chan Cam, put her through the mattress.

You hear me? I make sure she touch every corner of the wall. Huh? I put on the ceiling fan. And I tie it to the ceiling fan and make it go around in circles. That's the kind of condition I'm talking about. You ain't built like this. Don't post it up, Pat.

Shootin' up a jumper. I won't be no... Post up who? Man, he too little, man. Hey, Pat. Shootin't built like this. Won't be no posted up, Pat. Shooting up and jumping. No, I won't die. Won't be no posted up. Man, he too little, man. Hey, Pat. Shooting up and jumping. He too little. Don't try your back on him. I'm just saying.

Now, I'll tell you. Hey, Pat. Let the three go. Hey, wait. Well, Pat, I love you, boy. It's a pleasure, man. It's a pleasure, man. But those guys man they know they know uh those guys man they just you know they i get the text like it's funny because i get the text from guys like yeah man let's keep running it up for the media and in my mind i'm like no i'm dead serious yeah like

well i ain't doing this because no media i'm dead serious i bust all y'all out like for real. Like, and we could do it with cameras, without cameras. How you want to do it? You feel me? How you want to do it? So, yeah. So, let me get this.

I get a sponsor, and I'm going to put $50,000 on the line. So, you, Lou Will, Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings, one-on-one. Winner take all. Who taking the money? I'm- I'ma say this. You- You will be not an intelligent man to bet against me,

I tell you that. No, we gonna put it down. The winner get it all. The winner get the whole 50,000. Matter of fact, add 5,200 to that 50,000. I tell you that. No, we're going to put it down. The winner get it all. The winner get the whole $50,000. Matter of fact, add $5,200 to that $50,000. I went for that. What? You ain't fit to add a four-four thing of mine to it.

Hey, no. Hey, listen. I know it's cap. When I tell a person, come on, let's play $100,000. Let's play $100,000 for $100,000. Go to your chase. I'm going to go to my chase. I'm going to take out $100,000. You take out $100,, let's play one-on-one. Let's play one-on-one for $100,000. Go to your chase. I'm going to go to my chase. I'm going to take out $100,000.

You take out $100,000. Don't nobody got to be there. We'll play. I guarantee you all of them will say no. I don't know. Hey, hey, hey. Brandigenics. Hey, I got, matter of fact, I got something even better for y'all.

What is. Right. Y'all, y'all both know. Y'all say y'all got sources and y'all both know people that's in basketball. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ask them. Just ask them.

Hey man, look, if one of them suited up with Pat, cause you know, we don't really know, but if one of them suited up with Pat, how the outcome would be? Everybody would tell you the same. Like, man, yeah, they can play, but boy, Pat different. He different. He different. Yeah. He different. He different. He just different. He not gonna stop. He still

working out. He still playing basketball. Like, he, Pat, different. He different. Yeah, so that's all. Are you trying to, hey, Pat, are you trying to come back to the NBA? Are you cool with where you are now? You know what? I'll lie to you and Pat, are you trying to come back to the NBA? Are you cool with where you are now? You know what? I,

I, I, I'll add to you and say, I don't want to come back to the NBA. Right. I'll add to you and say that like you're a basketball player. You want to keep playing. You want to,

you want to get a game, anything you can give it. Right. You want to get a game, everything you can give it. You can play, play. I still can play.

I still, I still got a good three years left. And you feel, we just got a couple of calls. If I wanted to decide to go back overseas and play. I still got a good three years left in me. You feel me? We just got a couple calls if I want to decide to go back overseas and play. So, like, basketball is always a door open for me. But, again, we speak about longevity also. Which is important. Right.

You know, I've done a good job, take care of my body to still even be in this position. So, yeah, if that opportunity presents itself, I'm going to be Mr. 94 feet to be ready. So, in other words words in your clause in the uh uh overseas you can opt out to come to an nba if an nba team offered you correct correct okay yeah yeah i like yeah i like it yeah so yeah i mean it's been it's been a fun ride you i've been doing this for 17 years right i've been doing this five years overseas uh i haven't seen the whole world, man. I done seen Italy.

I done seen Russia. I done seen Israel. I done seen Greece. I done seen so many different countries. What's some of the best souvenirs that you brought back from the countries? Because I know you got to bring something back. Because Russia and Italy and Israel and Greece and Turkey, all the places you've been. What's some of the best souvenirs that you brought back, Pat?

You know what? I'll just say my mental ones, right? The people I've met through my journey, right? The coaches I've had, because you know, the European coaches are very different than what the NBA is. The friendships I have, right? The restaurants that I can go back in Israel right now if I want to go to, and they look exactly the have, right? The restaurants that I can go back in Israel right now if I want to go to,

and it look exactly the same, right? I'm able to bring my mom, you know, shot glasses from different countries. You know, she don't drink at all, but just to have something that, you know, my son brought me this. So, like, I mean, this ride of mine, you talking about 12 years in the NBA,

five years overseas, man, 17 years pro doing it, inner city kid from Chicago. Motherfucker, you got to think, John Shire, me, and Derrick Rose, we all the same class. I was the third best player in that class. What? I'm the only player still playing basketball.

Yeah, John Shire, the coach at Duke. John Shire, him, at Duke. John Shire, him, me, Derrick Rose. I was the third best player out of all of them. Wow.

I'm the only one still playing basketball. Bet y'all didn't know that, did you, Chad? Wow. Pat Baird, you're 12 years in the NBA. You played with a lot

of great players. You was on Philly. You played with Embiid and you were with LeBron and AD, and you were with Kawhi and PG and James. You played with James Harden. You played with some of the great, all 75 players. If you don't mind, what were some of the things that you would think

that kind of made them who they are, what they are? LeBron, I'm going to start with LeBron James because he has to go first because he was probably the biggest impact in my career. I met LeBron when I was a rookie in Miami and he really gave me the blueprint of being in the NBA and what

it took to stay in the NBA. He just did all extra shit. Like, okay, we sprinted with NBA. Right. He just did all extra shit. Like, okay, we sprinting with the Miami Heat. He fucking pat. Let's do five more sprints.

I'm a rookie. What I'm going to say? No LeBron James? Okay, we doing a sprint. He don't want to do regular sprints. He want to touch the wall. You feel me?

Yeah, it might be nothing. It might be an extra little two feet, but those extra two feet add up over so many more times. Right. Right.

With James Harden, I've seen his ability to take the game of basketball and make it, okay, how can I cheat the game? When I say cheat the game, how can I get to the free throw line 20 times? What's the gray area into that? How can I use my IQ when my athleticism falls my athleticism falls and still be an elite skill player right so i learned pick and roll uh uh isolation the amount of time it takes to get from an iso to a you know from a switch then i go kawaii lena i've never seen anybody in my life work out like him on a basketball court right as basketball course uh basketball players you rep it.

You know, you might shoot five spots. You might shoot seven spots. I'm going to shoot five. The corner, the wing, the top of the key, corner, wing, I'm going to shoot five spots. Him, he different. He shoot nine spots. When you shoot five spots regularly,

you make 10. With him, he make 20, 29 spots. And it's not surprising to me when he plays sometimes that he gets hurt. Yes, he gets hurt because he's putting in so much extra work on the basketball. Wow. I've never seen a player. I've never seen a player work out like a wilder in my entire life of being on this earth.

Damn. His workouts are simple. They're extremely hard. They're extremely hard. They're extremely hard. I'm talking about make 29 spots. Make 20 another nine spots. Make 20 going left, five spots. Make another 20 left, five spots.

Your arm's so tired and your mind's so drained. Like, I done got up 1,000 today. We gonna do it again tomorrow, Pat. 2,000. We gonna do it again tomorrow, Pat. 3,000. We have 6,000 it again tomorrow, Pat. 3,000. We have 6,000 makes in a week. I say, man, this man's different.

He different. Yeah, you miss the gang winner, you got to make 20, you miss 20, you go back down to 15. Hmm. I'm talking about when it comes to like, and it's not a lot of, ain't no joking in the locker room

ain't no uh uh uh uh uh uh who's like eight to ten people ain't no cameras it's me his homie my home four people homies rebound let's work wow so that's what he did would like and everyone knows but y'all know, with that amount of work you put in, yeah, you know, you might be hurt. It might not show up

this game, but in the playoffs, he shows up every single time. Yeah. Every single time. I was able to have some

really good bets and I ain't gonna lie to you, I had some motherfuckers that I was like, yeah, let me stay away from him. I'm cool. You feel me? I don't have best.

They walk in there with flip-flops on. Game starting now, they walk in there with flip-flops on. Okay, cool. Okay, next two years they out the league.

Okay, cool. Yeah, Pat, don't do that. Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that. So I had the best of both worlds. I was able to see people with big names get out the league, and I was able to see people that stayed in the league without big names. I ain't never averaged over 10 points a game.

I played two years in the NBA. I missed the playoffs once. Wow. I got drafted 42. I got drafted the same draft, Steph Curry draft. They took 19 point guards. I was one of them. Earned keep. Same draft. Steph Curry draft. They took 19 point guards. I was one of them. Earned keep.

Earned my keep. That's it. I made over $100 million in the NBA, man. I earned my keep. You recently made some critical comments about the Sixers wasting opportunities. If you were the GM of the Sixers, you got

max contract Joel Embiid Max Contract, Paul George Max Contract, Tyrese Maxey you're the GM, Pat Babbitt, the GM of the Sixers what are you doing this offseason? this offseason it'll be tough it'll be tough for me again

because now I have damaged goods all those players you name they ended the season hurt right, so now I'm doing a deal with a team it'll be tough for me damaged goods. All those players you name, they ended the season hurt. Right? So now I'm doing a deal with a team. It'd be tough for me to even get that all. They didn't play well.

They underperformed and they hurt. So yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm giving you that red Ferrari. Ain't a red Ferrari. No more. It got a little dense center. The little painters chipped a little bit.

The muffler hanging back on the loose. It ain't the red Ferrari. I don't think you want to drive it. I ain't gonna more. I don't think you're going to drive it. I ain't going to lie. I don't think you want what I got to give you. Now we got to overload. We got to add some first rounds. We got to add some second rounds. I think they put themselves in a position to either be really good or to be really bad. Well, I mean, when you got the contract, Joel Embiid, you got three years coming at $193 million.

You got Paul George. He's going to pick up that fifth-year option. He's going to pick that up. So basically you got Paul George for another four years, excess of $200 million. Tyrese Maxey, I think Tyrese Maxey, he's going to be an all-star. He's phenomenal. But I just don't know what you're going to do with Joel Embiid,

with his injury history, with his age, and that contract. Paul George, his injury history is up late, his age, and that contract. What could you possibly do? You know what? You got to let it play out one more year. Right. And then, like we said, with anything with basketball, you know what? You got to let it play out one more year. Right? And then, like we said, with anything with basketball,

the first person to go on ain't the player, it's the coach. Right? And I played for Philly. I played for that beautiful city, huh? I played for Nick Nurse. Right? I played with Joel.

I know how nice he is. I played with Tyrese Maxey when he got most improved that year. I know how good he is. But you're going to feel a lot of pressure from that city. Y'all know Philly? Yep. Philly a different city when it comes to sports.

When it comes to sports, Philly, they take their sports. They go to sleep with it. They go to sleep with their sports. They drink coffee, coffee mugs. They got Philly's Cup. They go to sleep. They wake up with their sports. If you don't do something fast with that, no matter what it is, and don't

do the wrong thing, and the wrong thing is get rid of Joel. You get rid of Joel and this don't go right, yeah, you talk about losing for a lot of years. But if you get the right doctors in, you get the right medical staff, and you get the right locker room pieces around them that, you know, maybe you guys don't feel hurt.

You feel me? Yeah, maybe you guys I ain't gonna lie, if you got 10 games to go, right, and you guys don't feel hurt. You feel me? Yeah, maybe you guys, I ain't going to lie, if you got 10 games to go, right, and you need to win seven of them to make it to the playoffs, that knee that was hurting, it don't feel that bad today. Right? But if you got 10 games to go and you got to win 11 of them, you know, I don't want to play tonight.

It's just different, right? They just need a coach. They need a coach. Anything that involves winning, regardless if it's a company, it's a football team, it's a basketball team, it's a karate unit with 10-year-olds. You need a coach. You need a coach in order to be good at anything.

You need the right coach. And this year, they didn't have it. Pat, I look at Ochoa and I. We had a discussion, and I said I looked at it like this. Joel Embiid, end of the season. He played in the postseason, but basically he was on one leg. Why not have the surgery on the leg or rest the leg if surgery wasn't required? Why go to the Olympics? And I understand the Olympics, America has done so much for Joel Embiid and his family.

It's made him rich. But Wilder is beyond his dreams. But he had a talent. He parlayed that. I don't get going to play for the Olympics. And if I'm the Sixers, I'm not going to allow Joel to play. Because I got $300 million tied up in you. And you spent the half the season, the majority of the season, injured.

Do you think he should have played in the Olympics? If you're Josh Harris and you own the Sixers, are you allowing your injured player who injured the season, in the last part of the season and in the postseason, was injured, are you going to allow him to play or are you going to say you need to have surgery or you need to rest to make sure you're healthy for the 76ers? So throughout that whole year, they knew that the team came up short the year before.

So being around the NBA at that time, you heard a little chatter, right? You hear a little chatter. Am Joel playing? Am KD playing? Am Kawhi U playing? Steph Curry playing? LeBron said he playing, and then you playing.

Like, you start hearing about it. Yeah. And now it became not everybody playing. All the top dogs playing. Yep. Right? You didn't want to miss a seat on that bus because what they did, they go down in history. Right? They go down in history.

So with that with the states have done you know in his defense in his mind he was like you know Pat like

feel me like man like my son was born here feel me like my son was born here I'm putting on for the little homie right

you can't go against that right I'm putting on I'm putting on for my son so like I thought i thought what he did the decision he made i thought i thought it was a fantastic decision right i thought him coming up winning winning and go i thought he was gonna take that momentum and go back to philly because in the olympics he seemed he seemed in great condition he seemed in elite condition he didn't

seem like like you know like he was was dragging or anything. He looked really good. He was probably one of the reasons, the main reason he hit the mid-range shot when U.S. couldn't score right there on the right wing over Jokic against Serbia. Yeah, he hit that shot. That was a big shot. People don't understand. That was probably one of the biggest

shots because U.S.A. couldn't score. He hit that shot. They go on. Steph Curry do his thing. LeBron do his thing. But they win the game. Like, they brung home the gold. I can never fault a person who put on for his country and brought us back gold, Unc. No. But if you Josh Harris and you got $300 million tied up in him,

you can fault him. Yeah. Yeah. If you Josh Harris, you're looking at it from a whole different beast. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, you're looking at it from a business point. Yeah Absolutely. You're looking at it from a business point. I hear you. I hear that. I hear you.

We're going to need gold in Philly too. It goes both ways. I'm just glad I'm with Josh Harris. I'm glad. That's a hard job to have. That's a hard job to have. You're shelling out money because here's the thing. What's the GM

in Philly? You had him in Houston. You're talking about the GM I walk on the bus, I say, hey, Darryl Moore, you trading me? No, Pat, I ain't trading you. I was traded three days later. Damn. And you know me, I'm 12 years in.

And I know him. He came and got me. He feel me? He came and got me in Europe. So he brought me to the Rockets. He gave me my first contract. So it's my mama know him. He came and got me. You feel me? He came and got me in Europe. So he brought me to the Rockets. He gave me my first contract. So it's my mama Noah. So you really can't even be mad even though he traded.

You can't be mad because he brought you. That's my man. Yeah, it ain't personal. It's business. But yeah, I got on the bus. I got right on the bus. Hey, Darrell, what's going on? I see you on a lot of away games lately, man.

I know Trey about to go down. I'm getting traded. Hold on, Pat. You cool? Yeah, Pat, you're going to Milwaukee. All right, cool. I know Trey about to go down. I'm getting traded. Hold on, Pat. You cool? Yeah, Pat, you're going to Milwaukee. All right, cool. Thank you. I know the business, you feel me? But if this thing don't work out because he extended Joel Embiid

when he didn't have to. It's easy to give somebody else money away, Pat, as opposed to spending your own. Josh Harris, look at that. Hold on. You brought in Paul George, gave him basically a five-year deal when it seemed like the Clippers was only willing to go to three.

You signed Joel Embiid when he had two years still left on his deal, and you gave him a three-year extension at a 193. This better work out. You gave Nick Nurse the bad. Don't forget about that. It better work out, Pat. You gave the bad. Don't forget about that. It better work out, Pat.

You gave Tyrese Maxey the bad. Yeah. So you got three guys basically on a max contract. Yeah, I just, it's going to be tough. It's going to be tough. I think this is years out. I don't think this is something that can just turn around instantly. I think, again, I think they got to fix what's in the locker room, right?

If it's a star player, if it's a superstar player, if it's the kid who you draft, or if it's the role player who waving towel, you got to get that culture together. And once you get that together, you can kind of navigate your way through basketball games. That's the easy part. But they got to fix that locker room. They got to fix the culture of that organization back. They got to get it back.

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