Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Luka sends Mavs to NBA Finals, Ocho's adventures in Cincinnati

Episode Date: May 31, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Mavericks advancing to the NBA finals, Ocho's experience at Bengals OTAs and much more!03:41 - Show Starts05:18 - Mavs advance to the Finals27:22 - Local Man picks up Ocho from Airport36:00 - Ocho Gets Jammed48:48 - Tee Higgins Cryptic IG Post58:42 - Aaron Rodgers Achilles01:03:42 - Drew Brees says he would of had another 3 years01:06:33 - Justin Fields Non QB Role(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Club Che Che. We've dropped Nightcap. And now we're dropping my personal clothing line, which is at 84. Ocho, as I mentioned at the top, the Mavs beat the Timberwolves and when I say they beat them, they beat the breaks off them. It wasn't close. Luka got the party started and then Kyrie says, it ain't no fun if I can't get none. And then Kyrie got

going. They combined for 72 points. Kyrie played 40 minutes. He was 14 of 27 from the floor, 4 of 10 from 3, perfect from the free throw line, 36. L he was 14 of 27 from the floor 4 of 10 from 3 perfect from the free throw line 36 Luka 14 of 22 6 of 10 from the three-point line two of three he had 36 10 and 5 along with two steals he had 36 they have 72 combined they placed four guys in double figures. Daniel Gafford had 11 points. P.J. Washington had 12 points. Derrick Jones Jr. had five.

And Derrick Lively did not miss a field goal attempt in this series. And they beat the Minnesota Timberwolves 4-1 to advance to the NBA Finals to take on the Boston Celtics. Carl Anthony Towns had 28. Ant-Man had 28. But it wasn't nearly enough to offset the hot shooting from Luka and Kyrie, and they move on. And guess what, Ocho?

You were wrong. Not very many times in life have I been wrong, especially when it comes to guessing games, guessing the outcome of games, especially sporting events for that matter. I was going for the underdog. Everyone was cheering for the Mavs. especially sporting events for that matter. I was going for the underdog. Everyone was cheering for the Mavs. Everyone was cheering for Luka.

Everyone was cheering for... Underdogs were the Mavs. I mean, listen, don't listen to Vegas. Don't listen. They did that on purpose. They did that on purpose for gambling purposes. We knew who the true underdogs were. We knew who the true underdogs were.

Obviously, you have a young Ant-Man, only at 22 years old, never being in his position in the Western Conference semifinals. And I really was rooting for him. Obviously, I'm a huge Ant-Man fan, which is why I said Wolves and Seven, despite them being down 3-0 in the series. I was hoping they could have pulled it off as a team. But again, they are somewhat of a two-headed monster. Too many inconsistencies with the help that

they do have on the teams uh luke and kairi obviously were the better product tonight and probably really throughout the series cat showed up tonight i mean kairi cat showed up tonight ant-man showed up tonight and there was really no help outside of that from the looks of it for me watching here in cincinnati at the holyil, it looked like they were just happy, more so not to be swept. They were more so happy not to be swept. And tonight's loss, it was very reminiscent for me. And I think about when I went against Revis in 2009,

those back-to-back weeks of being shut down, that was the type of embarrassment I felt. And it was reminiscent of that. Me talking trash and then not showing up to the party like I should have. And some of the wolves talking trash and then coming out there and laying an egg like that

and embarrassing me, you know, for standing on ten toes for them throughout the week and tweeting wolves in seven. And I have secondhand embarrassment. But again, we have a very young team. They have a very young team. The Minnesota Timberwolves

will be back in this position again. And I think next time, now with the experience that they do have and knowing what it takes to finish off a series and compete in the series, I think they'll be better off next time. And I'm

hurt. I'm doing all I can. You can see a tear dropping on the side of my face. I'm getting a little emotional. But I mean, I really wanted this for them. I think I wanted it more than they did, and they're the ones that's actually playing. Well,

you say Kat and Ant got it going. They got it going when they was down 34. That don't do you no good to get it going when you're trading baskets. Kyrie hit a three, Ant come hit a three. Luka hit a three, Cat hit a three. You ain't doing anything. They needed to do something

when they went on this 15-0 run. They needed to do something when they went on the 17-0 run. I mean, the 17-1 run. When they got outscored, what was it, 25-6 at one point? That's when you needed Cat and Ant to do what they did in the third quarter.

In the start of the fourth quarter. It was too little too late. And yeah, you look at the stat line. Oh, I mean, Ant-Man was, what, 10 of 18, 4 of 6 from 3, 4 of 6 from a free throw line. Cat was 9 of 20 from the floor, 1 of 6, 9 of 10. 3, 4-6 from a free throw line. Cat was 9 of 20 from the floor, 1 of 6, 9 of 10.

So you look at 28 points, but if you watch the game, you know those were empty calories. I mean, because they never in the third, they never got within 23. Yeah, I mean, I think... I think if I'm not mistaken, Ocho, they had a lead by as much as 34, maybe

even 36 at one point in time. So them getting it going in a meaningless moment doesn't do anything. First of all, you let Luka play one-on-one. You ask him for trouble if you don't get the ball out of his hand. The funny thing about it is if you do trap him, every time he gets the ball, if you do trap him, he's going to kick to somebody else. Everybody else was on, obviously, for the Mavs tonight. Kyrie, again, I call him the light switch

because he pick and choose when he wants to turn it on, when he wants to facilitate. And tonight, it was Luka's fault. It was Luka's fault that they won this game because if I'm not mistaken, he had damn near 22 in the first half or maybe the first quarter. Yeah, 20 in the first half or maybe the first quarter. 20 in the first quarter. First quarter.

So that really got the ball rolling. And once he had that kind of confidence and once he had that kind of rhythm that early in the game, I knew it was lights out from them. So I kind of got a little emotional early in the game and I was upset.

People laughing at me in public. Oh, what happened? I thought it was Wolves in seven and I had to. People laughing at me in public. Oh, what happened? I thought it was Wolves in Seven and I had to hold my composure. And it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate. But again, I'm a huge fan of the T-Wolves. I'm a huge fan of Ant-Man.

I'm sorry that they lost tonight. Somebody had to lose. Somebody had to lose. And obviously no one has ever come back down from such a significant margin, you know, as far as the series goes. But, I mean, it is what it is. They have nothing to hang their heads about.

They made it to the Western Conference Finals. They didn't finish. And obviously, you know, you want to compete for a national NBA championship. You fell just a little bit short. But there's nothing to hang your head about. And there's always next year. We got a young team. This is what makes it hurt so much because you're so

close. You're one step away from the NBA Finals. That's what hurts when you go to an AFC or an NFC Championship game. You're one game away. You're in the game that if you win, it puts you in the NBA Finals. You're in the game that if you win, you go to the Super Bowl. This is why

it hurts so much because you're so close. This game kind of reminded me of game five, Cleveland against Golden State when they were down 3-1 and you see Kyrie and LeBron taking turns. LeBron and Kyrie both had 41 in that game. You see Kyrie and Luka have 36 in this game. And you see Luka gets it going. And so now Kyrie, everybody stands out of his way

and says, okay, Luka, do what you do. Dance on it. Then he says, okay, Luka goes out. Okay, Kyrie, you get going. Now, you know when Kyrie starts bouncing up,

he takes one dribble and he lets it fly from the three and he sees it goes in. Now you at his mercy because now you got to chase him out of the three-point line. And now he's going to put it on the floor, and he's going to raise up from 15. Okay? Now

you close out cautiously. Now he's still at you at his mercy because he's going to dip the dude, and he's going to put that high dribble over your head, and he's going to lay it up off the glass. So you really have no... When those two guys would... And that's where the superstar,

any superstar gets it going. But with Kyrie, because of the way he can dance, and when Luka hitting step backs from 28, 30 feet away, what you going to do? You're like, coach, I mean, I got a head in his face from 30. Luka's saying, and see. Sometimes, Ocho, you got to leave well enough alone. You know, you got your handkerchief and you cried and you hear, who crying now, mofo?

Who crying now, mofo? Now you done got him going. Them great ones, you get them going. Now you can't turn them off. Now, kind of like what Spike Lee was when he was bothered, when he was bothered Reggie Miller was bothered, Reggie Miller, or he bothered Mike, or he's bothering Kobe.

Bro, let, let leave him alone, man. Okay. He had enough. Nah, Lucas said,

nah, he had enough because y'all got handkerchiefs, handkerchiefs. And you're talking about, I'm crying. Okay. Now who, who crying now?

Who crying? I mean, it's, listen, man, it's tough. It's tough. tough and i i don't know why i'm so emotionally invested obviously i'm having to lock in on nba and watching and becoming invested in the game invested in the players now and enjoying it from the outside looking in with a better understanding you know i'm seeing it from a different lens a different viewpoint now and so i'm excited so i'm like okay wolves okay damn the math's up to oh nah fuck that we got ant man we got cat i i know what i know what cat can do so i'm really feeling it and i'm

into it now and so like i'm like damn now we really gonna go out like this and I don't know man that hurt tonight hurt them two they got them two assassins Kyrie's been here Kyrie's been on the big stage and he's a big shot taker he's a big shot maker

the moment is not gonna get too big for him we know what Luka is yeah you look at him and he rarely dunks maker. The moment is not going to be too big for him. We know what Luka is. Yeah. You look at him and he rarely dunks. I think he probably had five dunks all year. He plays below the rim. He can get any shot he wants anytime he wants from any

position on the court that he wants. And you're at his mercy. And when those shots are falling, you're really at his mercy because when you run him off the three-point line, he has the ability to put the ball on the floor, put you on his back, and either get a clean shot or make you file him and get an and-one to go to the free-throw line.

So there's really no way to stop him. I mean, they tried Jay McDaniels. He couldn't do anything. They tried Ant-Man because, oh, that was the recipe. Ant-Man on him. Man, Ant-Man can't guard this man. This man is a five-time first-team All-NBA player

for a reason even when Kawhi proud of Kawhi having the injuries that he's had since he's get to the with the Clippers Paul George

he cooked everybody they took turns I'm gonna cook you PG for the first quarter I got you Kawhi the second quarter I got you Pat Bell it didn't matter

yeah so if you think one guy can bother Luka, you're sadly mistaken. You just hope he missed the shot. If you let him play one-on-one, even if it's against your best defensive player, you're at his mercy. I'm going to make somebody other than

him and Kyrie. If P.J. Washington goes for 36, if Derek Jones Jr. goes for 36, I'm going to have to live with that. But I'm getting the ball out of Luke and Kyrie's hands. Especially, and it's a lot easier

said than done, Ocho, because it's kind of like you. Once you get a couple of them, they better not let you catch five balls in the first quarter. It wouldn't be a touchdown.

You got hell on your hands the rest of the game. Coach, roll coverage. Roll my ass. It's too late now. Yeah. Just get ready to roll them chains up and walk them down to the other end because I'm going to tear you up.

Yeah. But it's all good, Ocho. That's what you get for picking against me. I wasn't picking against you. Yeah, you did. Yeah, you did pick against me. It wasn't about picking against you. It was riding with a team that I had invested in watching,

that I enjoyed throughout all the series that they played, understanding where they come from, having young Ant-Man, who I thought would be a perfect candidate for the face of the league, his charisma, his personality. It would just be great. So I was just cheering for him and the rest of his teammates and hoping that he had a little help throughout the series. Unfortunately, it didn't pan out or work out that way.

But we have building blocks and things that we can build off of. And hopefully next year we can get a little further in the West. Yeah, it's tough. Ant had an unbelievable season, but this is not how he wanted it to end. You know, when you get so close, it's tough. Ant had an unbelievable season, but this is not how he wanted it to end. You know, when you get so close, it hurts even more because you're so close, you can see it.

You can see it. He's going to have to wait. Michael, you're going to have to wait on that size 14 Adidas that's coming your way because Ant-Man's not going to be able to bring him back to Dallas. You know, he promised him game six.

He's going to bring him a size 14. He's going to have to either go to Minnesota and pick size 14. He's going to have to either go to Minnesota and pick those up or he's going to have to send them to you, but he won't be coming back anytime soon. give those guys... Look, the Timberwolves were a hot team. They went

and was down 3-1 to the defending champ with the reigning MVP. He's won three MVPs in the last four years. Everybody was like, oh, yeah, yeah, bruh. Kyrie and Luka are different animals. The thing with Luka

is that Luka has the ball in his hands. So we can front and we can play different coverages to try to keep the ball from getting a yoke. How do you keep the ball out of Luka's hands? You can't. You can't. can't he can't and you let he you you let any great score you let them see the ball go in early i don't care

who it is and i'm not just talking about the great historically great scores but i'm talking about any score you let them see that ball go in and luca is a generational talent. So like Kobe and Jordan and Steph and KD and LeBron, Larry Bird, you let them see them early shots go in? Man, you might as well kiss the baby. Listen, I knew it was going to be a long night. When I saw Luka had that first half, when I saw Luka had that first half, that first quarter, I'm sorry, that first quarter that he had

and he got in the rhythm and got going and was willing to do any and everything to whoever was on him, I knew it was going to be a long night. And then in order to stop that, in order to counter that, then we have to have someone on the other end that's willing to go back and forth with him,

that's able to score just as much as he is on our end, and it just wasn't panning out that way. When you look at, they shot 55 the uh the mavs shot 55 from the floor they shot 44 from the three they out rebounded uh the wolves you let a team out shoot you on your home court you let them out shoot you from the floor you let them out shoot you from the three you let them out rebound you. You're probably going to lose and especially if they got two great players on the opposite side and you let both

of them go off, you're going to lose in the fashion that you lost in unless you got two guys that's going off also. If you go back and look, Ocho, the only game that Ant and Cat outscored Luke and Kyrie, they won.

Other than that, they lost. And that's what it came down to. Your big guns didn't fire nearly as much as often as the other team's big guns. And that's what you have to do. It's going to be a great series because JT and JB, I'm anxious to see

how they play this matchup. Are they going to put Jalen Brown? Because I think if they put JB on him, he has the size. Does it impact him on the other end? Holiday has the quickness. He doesn't have the size. Derek White doesn't have the size or the strength to deal with him. But it's going to be interesting to see how they match up

and then what they try to do with Kyrie. Because Kyrie can dance on anybody. This isrie, because Kyrie can dance on anybody. This is the thing. Kyrie can dance on anybody. Luka can do whatever he wants regardless to anybody, whether somebody with height, whether somebody with length, whether somebody with quickness. So who do you have winning a series knowing that both

sides of the field have elite players that's able to do whatever they want? Obviously, the Celtics shoot you you out of the goddamn gym, but then you also have Luka and Kyrie that can turn it up and shoot you out of the gym at will and play inside the perimeter, put the ball on the floor, do whatever they want to do.

So who wins the game? At the beginning, I took the Celtics. So it's kind of hard for me, even though I kind of want the Mavs to win. Because Luca, I mean, since Luca has been in the NBA, you go back and check my track record.

I've been a Luca fan and I've said it before. Once LeBron leave, Luca is going to be my favorite player to watch. So he reminds me so much of Larry Bird. He can score the ball better than Larry. But obviously, because he has the ball in his hand so much more than Larry, obviously he can assist. You know, he has a higher assist total.

But Larry Bird was 24-10-6 for a career. So it wasn't like Larry Bird was a slouch. I think people sometimes forget. And he was the last guy to win three consecutive MVPs. And he won those in a league in which Magic, Jordan, Barkley, Malone, Kareem, Moses Malone, Elijah Wan, all of them were there. And he won three consecutive MVPs. So that just gives you an indication of just how great Larry Bird is. And I believe Luka Doncic is the equivalent player.

Now, he doesn't have the supporting cast that around him because McHale went to the hall of fame. Parrish went to the hall of fame. Dennis Johnson's in the hall of fame. Nate Archibald's in the hall of fame. Bill Walton's in the hall of fame. He had hall of fame coaching. So Luka doesn't have all the pieces around him that Larry had,

but I believe Luka Doncic is every bit of the player Larry Bird is, and Larry Bird was my favorite player. I watched him. I had his shoes. I had his t-shirts, but Luka Doncic is the real deal. Ocho, before we get started with the newscast,

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The promo is coming Monday, Ocho, where we actually will be able to see the trailer Monday. And also our interview. You remember we did the interview. We sat down with Martin and Will. So I'm anxious for everybody to see that. Ocho and I had a great time sitting down having a conversation with

Will Smith and Martin Lawrence. Bad Boy Ride or Die the premiere will happen on June. No, the movie comes out June 6th. But the interview that Ocho and I did with Will Smith and Martin Lawrence will happen on Monday

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Okay, Ocho. I saw something on Twitter today about a local Cincinnati man picking you up from the airport. Can you please walk us through what's going on here? What is it? Well, listen, for those that are in the chat, those that have followed me

throughout my career in general, or even after my career has been over, whenever I travel places, and I know you understand how financially conscious I am. And this is something that I've always done. I've been doing it for a very long time. Catching a taxi instead of getting a rental car. Obviously in Cincinnati, I feel safe here. Having strangers that I know personally pick me up from the airport. It gives me a time to bond with them. It gives me a time to connect and share war stories about some of the things they witnessed when I was playing. And I don't get a chance to actually engage and talk to the fans that have watched me play throughout the witnessed when I was playing. And I don't get a chance to actually engage and talk to the fans that have watched me play

throughout the years when I was here. And I always allow someone to come pick me up when I come in town to Cincinnati. And this was a way for me to save money, you know, instead of renting a car, instead of having to get an Uber. This worked. And a good friend of mine,

no, not a good friend of mine, but he's a friend of mine now. He picked me up from the airport. We chatted a little bit. You know, we stopped at McDonald's. We stopped at Krispy Kreme. He dropped me off at my hotel. And now anytime I come back to Cincinnati,

I have someone, someone that can pick me up from the airport. And this is like, I've done this maybe four or five times. Just be careful, Ocho. Yeah. That's a very dangerous situation. Yeah, I like living on the edge.

I'm the same guy that rode a bull. Nah, it's not worth it. I'm the same guy that rode a bull. That's dangerous. Nah. Listen, they say there's a lot of crazy people out there in the world, but you got to understand, when crazy me crazy, it balances everything out because I'm crazy too.

Yeah, well, like I said, just be careful. I mean, do you really think anybody would kidnap me? Think about it. I mean, if you kid, if you, think about this. Think about, you know me. Mm-hmm. If anybody would... They shoot celebrities, people shoot celebrities. So, what happens?

Did you see this guy on General Hospital? Right. They was robbing his car, trying to steal his catalytic converter. Right. He yells, hey, guys, what y'all doing? Oh, OK, I understand that. But when so is somebody going to steal my Starbucks card or my McDonald's card? Because I don't got it. Oh, just all I'm saying is just be careful. So this notion that people don't shoot celebrities or famous people, that's not true.

They shot Gianni Versace. I didn't say they did. I mean, don't listen. Don't I understand you want to be a man of the people, but just be smart. So it's so it's OK. There's a reason why you have an alarm. There's a reason why you live in a gated community. There's a reason why you don't live in Liberty City. There's a reason why. Wait, wait, wait. I still be in Liberty City. My grandma house on. No, you don't live in Liberty. OK, OK. I still be that, though.

You know, you don't live in Liberty City. You can pull up on me if you want to. Just be smart. All I'm saying is just be smart. I understand you want to be a man of the people. I mean, it's hard to change after 20 years, though. It's hard to change. No, it's not. Because when you made

your money, you didn't build no house in Liberty City. No, but hey, speaking of that, do you know I ain't leave my grandma's house at the 40s in Liberty City until my fourth year in the league? Why you left? Man, she kicked me out, man. You could have built a bigger house. Don't. I tried to get her to get up out of there.

You know how stubborn... No, no, no. They not moving. I'm not saying them. They not moving. We couldn't get my grandma. My sister won't even leave Glenville. So I know somebody that's 75, 80 years old. They not going nowhere. I like mommy. I say mama. My grandma. I say mama, we made it now.

We can actually leave here. She's like boy, you was a fool. You think I'm leaving this place? Oh. So when she passed away and my mama passed away, me and my little brother Chauncey, he probably watching right now. We kept the house. So I still be down there to check on my little brother, Chauncey, he probably watching right now, we kept the house. So I still be down there to check on my little brother,

check on the house and make sure everything, everything is great. Man, rent it out. Oh, get Chauncey up out of there. No, shh. Well, Chauncey ain't going nowhere. Chauncey,

listen, he promised me, he promised my mama we would not let nobody else live in this house and we promised not to sell it. So, only thing we gonna do to it is renovate it and make it look

a little bit more modern. A little spruced up a little bit. Oh yeah, make it look a little bit more modern. Listen, what they're doing out there in Miami, how they're pushing everybody out of Overtown, I don't know. Oh yeah, for sure. They're gentrifying it. Gentrifying like crazy. You know the Pork and Beans, they're number six blocks away. You know about the Pork and Beans, right? Oh, they number six blocks away. You know about the pork and beans, right? Oh, really? Yes. Yeah, I've heard of them.

I've never been there. Yeah, I've heard of them. That's where I grew up. All that is gone. Pork and beans gone. Oh, they gentrified it. Man, gentrified everything. You see what they did to Englewood, right?

Huh? You see what they did to Englewood? Englewood. Man, I went past the jungles the other day to see some friends of mine right off Coliseum in the third building. But everything gone. Everybody's Spanish. Everybody's Spanish.

I couldn't find nobody. But listen, and then the prices for the houses in that area. But why my grandma house, I think she got it maybe in the, maybe 50, I don't want to say it wrong, for like maybe what, 40 some thousand? Why my grandma house worth

goddamn 800 something, huh? Yeah, she probably didn't pay that much for it back then she probably paid 20 for it, but you know back there, 20,000, 30,000 was a lot of money, Ojo that was a lot of money, bro How can something

in Liberty City a danger zone, a war zone at one point, be worth $800,000? It ain't the house they want. It's the land that's the value. Because they're going to tear that down as soon as they get it.

When they put the Georgia, when they put the Georgia dome up, I mean, excuse me, the Mercedes-Benz dome, Mercedes-Benz, there was a house,Benz there was a house no, there was a church

the church had maybe 100 members. Right, right, right. So if you got 100 members, that means only like 25 of them come. But in order for them to complete it, they had to get that plot of land. 14 million. So they gave that to, they had to get that plot of land. $14 million.

So they gave that to the church just to get the land? Yes, sir. They took them folding chairs and started with another church. Okay, okay. I was going to say, did they actually start the church back up? Yeah, but you had to have it. So that's why the value is, is that they want to redevelop it. And then, and there would be, yeah, they'll pay you a ton of dollars.

But what's going to come, that development that's going to come, those houses, the shopping, whatever they put up there, they're going to triple, quadruple their money. At one point in time, I'm thinking about Overtown. You know about Overtown. Even if you

haven't lived in Miami, you know how Overtown was 15, 20 years ago. Everybody loves to come in Wynwood and act like it's a touristy place because of what has been built up to be. Man, couldn't nobody walk through Wynwood, man, 15 years ago? Couldn't nobody walk through Overtown 15 years ago? Now? Man, listen, as they move everybody out and force everybody further south, the people out of the beans, the people out of Overtown, they force everybody way down south. Obviously, it's a little inexpensive.

And everything where we grew up is now become they pricing us out. They pricing everybody out. They're pricing everybody out. That's the same thing. I mean, you see that a lot in Savannah. When I went there, they built it up. They got SCAD came in. It's so touristy. They cleaned it up. I mean,

you wouldn't dare walk all that Forsyth Park and all that over there. Everything from Martin Luther King to 37th and Bullback to B-Road all that Montgomery Crossroad. Man, you wouldn and all that over there. Everything from Martin Luther King, 37th and Bull, back to B-Road, all that Montgomery Crossroad. Man, you wouldn't dare walk through there. Man, please. Now, they done built that thing up so much.

I mean, I barely recognize it. I went back because I don't get back to Savannah much, Ocho. I'm like, oh, that's my home. I said, damn, when did they do this? They done built the Truman Parkway, all the overpass. Man, they done built that thing up so much. But that's, hey,

they want that land. They'll give you like, man, this house ain't worth that. Oh, the house ain't worth nothing. You right. You absolutely right. That house. But what that house is sitting on

is the value. Yeah, for sure. So I'm just saying, Ocho, just be careful. I understand you're a man of the people, but just be careful. Ocho, just be careful. I understand you're a man of the people, but just be careful. Ocho, check this out. Hey, look at that boy.

Oh! That man put both hands in your chair. We were just going five yards. But listen, let's talk about something else, right? Let me tell you something. That right there was one of the best feelings in the world. I mean, I like what he did. Young Corner, Josh Newman on Instagram. He's called Bump and Run for a reason.

He's good in Bump and Run. I've watched him in college. We exchanged words on Twitter a few times. I was excited to get out there. Hey, Unc, I want whoever playing this back and forth, look how quick I still am off the ball.

In fact. No, you wasn't. That man in your chair. I remember back in the day, you'd be on top of him. Listen, matter of fact, back in the day, I would have dipped my right shoulder and got Listen, back in the day, I would have on top of him listen matter of fact back in the day I would have dipped my I would have dipped my right shoulder and got listen back in the day

I would have dipped my right shoulder and got low but you gotta think I haven't done nothing like that in like 12 years and then I my foundation my

hey listen my foundation I'm not used to getting pushed around and being able to hold my line I ain't done that in years but listen I enjoyed that man and listen

you know what else I like, Unc? I like the stories me and him shared after this. You do realize that dude ain't no DB? Yeah, he's a DZDB now. Yeah, now.

And he put hands on you like that. Wait, what you mean? Unc, what you talking about, man? He went to TZDB. He was an offensive player. He switched to DB these last two years.

I know. That's what I'm trying to tell you. He ain't got no technique. He ain't really got no skill. He has great technique. That's why his Twitter name is Bump and Run. But listen, hold on. Why didn't he play DB in college?

He did. He switched. Hey. He was an offensive guy. They took him out. He was a wide receiver. Don't try to change the did. He switched. Hey. He was an offensive guy. They took him out. He was a wide receiver. Don't try to change the subject. He's a DB. He's a DB. He put balls on your Joe.

Oh, Joe, he got you. Not really. Yeah, really. Look at my feet. Look how cool I am. Oh, you dropped there. See, he already know you go release outside. Oh, yeah.

He already know you release outside. I had my left foot up. I can't be shifty right now because I ain't got no gas in the tank right now. You got to think. Hey, they ain't OTAs. These boys been working out the past six, four months. I'm just getting out there on the whim, just having fun. Hey, we share some good stories after that, man.

Him watching me when I was playing and showing love. I got to thank the Bengals for one for opening the doors for me when I come in town and showing love allowing me to be around that environment, that structured environment around the

young. Don't let him come back. I love it. I love it. I like hey Bengals keep it keep it keep it away

he gonna get up guys cause all receivers ain't gonna be like that that man like that man like to choke you Ocho I thought that was Reba I thought that was Reba Ocho

that man put both hands in your chest if he'd have got you with one hand I'd say Ocho if you the chop or you the rip I'd say Ocho you could have got you understand have got you with one hand, I'd have said, Ocho, if you the chop or you the rip, I'd say, Ocho, you could have got...

You understand he just stabbed with one hand, right? And I was hired. No, he stabbed with one hand. Put it back. That man, nope, he didn't stab. That man put both hands in your chair. Read again. Stab.

Stab, left hand. Oh, Ocho, what made it so good is that he stabbed with his hand. You're supposed to. You're a DB. I know, but now he can run and run you to the radar. He's going to run you out of bounds.

Listen to me now. Stay with me, baby. If it was in my day, you know I wouldn't release right outside. I would make a move and set him and then go. But I ain't got my juice in it. I ain't got my juice in my tank like that no more. That's what I tried to tell you. Remember when you had this conversation? Yeah!

Yeah, I can! Wait, wait, wait. Stay with me now. I can do it. I have to train to get back to that point. Hold on. You ain't got that lateral quickness anymore. Do I believe you can run? I ain't got that lateral quickness.

Did you just not see me come off that ball? Nope. Yeah, I did. What does that have to do with my lateral quickness and my quick twitch still being there? Look at me. Look at me come off the ball. Just look.

Look, look, look, look. I'm gone. Ocho, look at this. What does that have to do with what I'm saying? Ocho. No, you can What does it have to do with what I'm saying? Ocho, I can release that. No, you can't. You are not quick and fast like I am right now. No.

The same thing happened. That man choked you, he would have choked me. So we both have been choked out. Gas or oxygen. Hold on, hold on. We did three reps. They didn't post the other ones that I did win. I saw that one. That man had you like you ones that I did win. Nah, I saw that one.

That man had you like you had infestation. That man had you coughing. I was like, damn, turn him loose. I was about to come out there because I saw this. I felt some type of way. I was about to call the guy to get me a jet and come out there. You're good. You're good. That's good

work. That was good work. Nah, I said, y'all don't do my part. Hey, because at that point in time, they done did my part and now we got to fight. Damn the ref. Hey, let's go down. Hey, young bull gonna be nice, bro. Hey, that's

our pit bull. That's our secret weapon. So, hey, just let me know when you go back down. I'm not letting you go back to Cincinnati by yourself. I'm rolling with you. I don't need no help. You ain't no... Nah, y'all ain't... They're not finna do my party like you tell me.

See, if they do that, the first thing they see me, they gonna say, hey, they gonna get in a stance on me. Oh, no. Oh, no. Hey. I was laughing. Hey, uh. Oh, no. Hey. Hey, I rambled. They already know I rambled. All that dancing, all that head nodding.

All I need is about a good month. I need a month of training, a month of getting my ladder moving together and all that and I'll be ready. But yeah, you got to remember, I'm 56 now. I'm out there going. I'm out there with 18-year-olds having fun, man. Hey, I understand that.

That's what I'm saying. Leave them young fellas alone. Oh, no. I'm finna get out there. Matter of fact, I'm gonna be back out there Monday with my cleats on. Mm-mm.

Stay with me. Ocho, stay with me now. Stay with me. Hey, but all jokes aside, but Unc, I felt like a. Hey, but all jokes aside, but I felt like a little kid, man. Troy, Mike Brown, Zach Taylor.

I take Zach, and I didn't know what he was going to say because it's OTAs. I'm not sure how they feel about players coming out out the blue. And man, Zach told me, bro, this is your home. You don't have to ask to come out here. And dude, if I felt like a little kid

in the candy store, it felt like I've never played the game before. Like, that's how it felt. Like, I wasn't a part of the Bengals at one point. Like, I wasn't one of the greatest they ever played.

And I'm just excited to be out there. I'm shaking hands and hugging everybody. Not realizing, hell, my name is sitting in the stadium. And they calling me OG. I say, no, sir. I'm not OG. I think, hell, my name is sitting in the stadium and they calling me OG.

I say, no, sir, I'm not an OG. I think, mentally, I think I could play with y'all, but my body just ain't got it no more. Boy, that was such a good feeling. Yeah, see? The mind willing, but the body ain't able.

It ain't. Especially when you ain't done it in 12 years. Oh, no, no, no, no. But this thing about Ocho, when you go't done it in 12 years oh no no no but this thing about Ocho when you go from season to season it still take you a while it take you about 3 or 4 days to get back in the swing of things

and you only took like 2-3 months off imagine taking 2-3 years now you taking over a decade you know what's funny my mind know what to do it literally oh I lined up my My mind know what to do. It literally, oh, I lined up. My mind know exactly what to do,

but the body ain't registering as fast. I'm like, well, God damn. And listen, he touched me, and I'm like, what the fuck? You all off balance? I ain't got no power. Like, you know, normally, when somebody put a hand on you, you get up and go right through that and you hold your line.

Dog, I couldn't do nothing. I was like, oh, it's been a long time. And let me know how I know your spotty singles ain't tingling. Yeah. Because when he stabbed, you didn't rip. Oh yeah, I couldn't. Or swipe. So it ain't registered.

That's instinct. The minute somebody do that, you either arm over or you wipe away or you dip it. You did none of registered. Yeah. That's instinct. The minute somebody do that, you either arm over or you wipe away or you dip it. You did none of that. It's been way too long. But it felt good. It felt good, though.

It felt good. Hey, them boys were hype, boy. Them boys were hype. Them boys were hype. Yeah. And you know what you did? Once you saw it, you say, man,

now you start thinking about all the things that you should have done man all I had to do was just arm over all I had to do was rip all I had to do was dip it's like

when we see something in the game we see something in the game we got jammed and I'm it would go back and I'll irregulate damn

a lot of times you at that moment when you get jammed like man instead of swimming I should have ripped or I should have dipped or I should have i should i should be arm over but but what's so funny is if when you in your prime or if if i'm in my prime or actually actively still playing

the mind or the body would know exactly what to do and it would just it would be second nature and it just happens right away and I felt him hit the chest but my lower extremities ain't had that kind of pressure being applied in so long shit I just went off to the sideline I'm like well god damn yep because that's his

inside arm your inside arm should have automatically right on the top it was fun because you released it outside. So your inside got to compensate his inside. Or you go to the top or you wipe it away. I should have stopped and came back on the

goddamn flan or something. That's what you should have written under it. But it's all good. It was fun, man. It was a great moment for me. It was a great moment for them. They enjoyed it. And obviously all of them came up to me, man. You know, appreciate me for being out. Them being young,

man, we watch you as kids growing up, man, and just having you out here with us, man, was dope. So you know, outside of that rep, they showed much love. Yeah, it was always great. I mean, I remember when I used to go back with the bronco when i first retired and to see those guys in camp i didn't miss it it's like whoo right right right i didn't

miss it right i didn't miss it i missed like going to locker room once they was done with practice yeah yeah yeah yeah with them and joking and laughing like that but when they're not there practicing you know i remember coob and mike you stand ask me, you miss it? I said, hell no, I don't miss it. Hey, but speaking of young bulls, speaking of Josh Newton, now remember now

when football season start and he start making that noise, remember what I told you about that pit bull now? Remember what I told you? Okay. That was you.

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In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask Attorney General... I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn.

In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran-Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. T Higgins requested a trade in March after being franchise tagged and maybe, and made a cryptic tweet on IG, a cryptic IG post that might've been referencing his current situation. I tell him, no, they can't wait to call me selfish.

The IG post feature T Higgins working out as well as him out at night. Cincinnati and T Higgins still have until July 15th to reach a long-term deal. Failing that, Higgins would have to play on Cincinnati's franchise tag, which is essentially a one-year deal worth about $22 million. Listen, I talked to Tee today. Obviously, I talked to Tee

via Twitter talking about me getting jammed up. And I said, Tee, you need to hurry up and come back and revenge my goddamn honor. And he said, I saw it. He said, the feet are still there, but not right

now. And I tweeted him back. I said, man, listen, man, I'm washed up, man. Other than that, listen, the business side of things, I have T's phone number, but I hate bothering players when it comes to stuff like this, because business will handle itself. You have people in, you have

management, you have people in place that will take care of that. Now, if I was T in his position understanding what I have at the Bengals, I would love to bet on myself. Personally, me, I would love to bet on myself and I'm saying

I'm coming back to play and getting that 22 million and I'm going to hit him across the head somewhere else hoping that the Bengals don't franchise tag me disrespectfully a second year. Understanding what I have in Joe Burrow, understanding what I have in Chase, understanding

what I have in Jermaine Burden who is now I'm assuming will be the number three and obviously the rest of the receiving corps that the Bengals do have, offensive line stacked now, Trent Brown, Mims, Orlando Brown, very, very nice running back room

as well. Giving it another chance, trying to make that run into New Orleans to play for that Lombardi, I think we have a very, very good shot at it offensively. I'm not sure how T is feeling. I'm sure T wants his security as

all players do because you go out there and you play on a tag and you have nothing to fall back on. You have no leverage at that point. I'm hoping things do work out because we have something special here in Cincinnati. T Higgins is special and I said it during the season. People talk about Chase being the number one and T Higgins is special, and I said it during the season.

People talk about Chase being the number one and Tee Higgins being the number two. No. We have two true number one receivers, and I think both of them should be compensated as such. And listen, if it doesn't happen here, I need Bengals fans to understand the business side of things. Tee deserves to be paid like the receiver that he is. The elite receiver that he is. And I consider him to be a number one. You see, but you see how the guys are getting paid.

You see, you see Nico Collins. He got three years, about 72. You got Devontae Smith. He's got his. Jalen Waddle got three years at about 84. You. Devontae Smith. He's got his. Jalen Waddle got three years in about, what? 80, 84. 84. You see Devontae Smith. You see all these number two guys

and you see what they're going for. They're getting somewhere around 24 to 26. He's looking at number one money. Tyreek, Devontae Adams. He's looking at that. I don't believe they can pay. Oh, you can't. You can't. You can't.

It's impossible. You see what they did? Let's take Philly for an example. You see what they did for AJ. AJ got three for 96. They gave Devontae three for 74. So you see the despair.

You see the discrepancy. One of them gonna I mean Chase who I believe and I think everybody believes is the better of the two the true true top five receiver he's gonna get that 30 plus million the question is T or is T gonna be happy

with somewhere between 24 and 26 because I believe that's the range they can go in the funny thing about it if they're not able to reach an agreement before the July 15th deadline, whatever it may be, for me, with my mentality, and I think this is something that he doesn't want to do

because he deserves, he's worked his ass off to get paid the right way and he's put in the work to do so. But I would, understanding what I can do, understanding what I can do understanding what I can do is play this season play ass off no injuries

and boy when he hit the market next year boy when he hit the market next year he gonna double up forget 26-27 but you under the assumption they're not gonna franchise him again that's disrespectful I'm hoping the Bengals organization

will do like the Chiefs did with a Jarius Sneed. I thought you said it was business. It is. It is. So in the process of business, I got to do what's in the best interest of my business. I saw someone else, obviously,

throw out a hypothetical. What happened? What if the Minnesota Vikings trade Jefferson to the Bengals throw out a hypothetical. What happened? What if the Minnesota Vikings trade Jefferson to the Bengals and have T. Higgins go to the Vikings? And I said, listen, they can't pay two receivers

30 plus million apiece. So you got a $55 million quarterback and two 30 plus million dollars receivers. I think people don't understand, obviously, how the salary cap works for one. Chase ain't taking no pay cut. And Justin Jefferson ain't taking no pay cut.

Just to have the buy-in try back there again. It looks good. It sounds good. But I think we have a good thing with T, Burton, Irwin, and the rest of the fellas when Chase comes back. But listen, let business handle itself. I think it'll all work itself out. And that's it. But he deserves that bag.

Ocho, I can't say that I disagree, but the run because it's basically you're swimming across shark infested waters 17 times. you got to get to the other side every week yeah no injuries no nothing and that's shark infested or crocodile infested water and you say what quarterbacks do it but here's the thing the wide receiver doesn't have the protections that the quarterback does and so you're you're taking a ginormous, and that's why guys in all positions want that guaranteed money,

and everybody says, well, I would do it for 22 million people. I want you to take yourself out of the equation. When you make it 75, 100, 200,000, yes, you would take 22 million. Of course, but you have to look at it from a player's standpoint. He's taking a ginormous risk. $22 million for one year, or do I want the guaranteed money where I get $55, $60, $75, $80 million for three years? Well, clearly you want the $80 million for three years over the $22 for one. And fans, I get it. I get it.

Yes, I remember. I was you. When I used to look at these guys and I see these guys holding out like, I played for 600,000 and then came time and they offered me 600,000 like, hell no. It's double. I don't think

fans, after all these years, I would think they would have a better understanding of the business side of things and players having their security, being able to set themselves up, being able to set their kids up, being able to set their families up. It's more than just,

oh, here, just take what they've given you. That's not how it works. That's never how the game has worked. Listen, when you're not playing up to par teams have the ability to cut you at will so you need you yeah you need to be able to be compensated and when it's hot you got to get it while it's hot you got to strike while it's hot when it's not oh boy it's it's it's a grimy business yeah right i mean i mean for the average person i mean i don't know what the average salary is Oh boy, it's a grimy business. Yeah. Right.

I mean, for the average person, I mean, I don't know what the average salary is. I'm going to say $75,000, maybe $75,000. The average person, when you average everybody's salary. If somebody said, well, for $200,000, they're like, I'll do that for $200,000. Yes, but you're taking what you normally make and saying, okay, yeah, I would take $22 million. Well, who the hell wasn't?

That's not making $22 million. Yes, yes, you would. But, man, and I get it because football, hey, just like that. One play and it could all be gone. And you're not getting that money. Because what, like, quarterbacks can have, you see Cousins

having a kill each other. Dak, before he got hurt, remember he broke his ankle. because what like quarterbacks can have you see Cousins oh wait a minute Dak before he got hurt remember he broke his ankle but they did it and Dak got his money after he did that quarterbacks they will do that skill position nah wide receivers not so much

they look for a reason to cut your fans Aaron Rodgers I was just saying it's tough I mean the Bengals are in a tough spot T is in a tough spot but listen I'm all for the play again with Deserve because I've been watching him play

and he's a special individual and he's a special talent and deserves to be compensated as such yeah I wasn't I'm never going to get get it it's out there they got it well they definitely got it so you get it you get it because hey you're not a lawyer you're not a doctor so stop looking at aaron rogers and tom brady to my man them tom brady played 23 hairs aaron rogers going into his 20th year. Jerry Rice is the only receiver that played

20 seasons. So all the years that the NFL 100 and plus years, he's the only one. So the likelihood of there being a run of receivers playing 20 plus years? It ain't happening. It ain't likely, Ocho. I'm not saying it's not possible. I'm saying it's not

likely. Aaron Rodgers is on the verge of a comeback after suffering a torn Achilles tendon in his very first game of the 2023 season. But his latest viral video, Rodgers isn't going to please the fan base of the Jets. In the footage, Rodgers is seen sitting down at practice, taking off his

shoe, proud of checking his right ankle. Later, Jets team doctor tapes him up. Rodgers gets back at practice, but it's clear some kind of discomfort has him hobbling around. Probably had a blister. I don't know if he tapes his ankle, Ocho. You know when you don't tape for a while. I don't know if you taped your ankle.

Sometimes you start to get blisters on the back of your Achilles. Sometimes you get them on the bottom of your feet because you're wearing seven studs. I don't know if Rodgers wears seven studs. I don't know if he wears a rubber bottom. He probably got a new shoe that aren't broken in yet and you know what that do them that they take your feet up quick oh yeah and you're not you and you're not think about it you're on your feet you hadn't had those on i was very fortunate i really never got blisters um i made sure i took care of my feet you know soaked them you know took care of my feet, you know, soaked them, you know, took care of them.

But man, it's hard to function when you got blisters on your feet. And when you think about it, I'm sure people are trying to say this might be his Achilles injury. But if you see what he's doing, he looks at the back of his heel and he probably does have a blister

and it probably popped. And it had nothing to do with his ACL because he tore his left foot. Yeah, his left, I'm sorry. His Achilles. He tore his left Achilles and his right foot. And as soon as he takes that shoe off

and looks at the back of that heel, you already know what it is. That ain't nothing but that blister and the skin that ripped off. And they had to tape up around it. Yeah, I, yeah. Like I said, I've been very fortunate. I didn't, I didn't stop. I mean, but I've seen've been very fortunate I didn't I didn't stop I mean but I've

seen some of my teammates had quarter size I have dollar size I got it I got it in training camp I'm not gonna lie to you on the back of my heel because in training camp I always start with a brand new pair of shoes to break them in and I wear them all through training camp and put them same shoes back on so I don't have to go through that blister process in season. Yeah. That's what I did too. I wore the same pair of shoes for training camp. But once the season start, I would

break out a new pair of shoes on Friday. Get my feet used to them. I would wear those shoes in the game. Wear the game shoes in practice, and then start that all over again. But yeah, I would never, ever think about going out Sunday

in a brand new pair of shoes. Like Mike said, every game, he wore a brand new pair of shoes. Wait, did you not see him also take the shoe off and be bleeding in the sock? Yes. Who, Jordan? He was always bleeding.

Oh, he had to be. I forgot. What was the documentary? What was the documentary again? Yeah, man. Oh, last day? Man, feet bleeding. He wore a brand new,

when the Jordan 1s came out. Every time he took the Jordan 1 off, man, whole sock full of blood. Yeah, but you got to understand, Ocho, I mean, them shoes, man, and the technology back then is not what it is now. Now, obviously, they make, you know,

they send you to these, they go to this imaging and they look at you, they have you walk, they have you run, they have you jump, they do it all these 3D images images they gonna build a shoe according to yours the shoe that michael jordan wore is not the shoe that you got that you got in the store and plus a lot of times guys have orthotics if you look at when they give you a pair of shoes you see them reach down they take the orthotics out they hand you the shoes but uh no

i could i could never do that i had to break the shoes I had to. I ain't no way I'm going out there because I already know. First quarter, end of the first quarter, it's going to be like I'm stepping on hot coals. Oh, yeah. Drew Brees says his career would have had a few extra years if it wasn't for the shoulder injury.

Brees says, honestly, man, if my right arm was still working, I probably would have played for another three years. My body feels great. My body can play. my right arm was still working, I probably would have played for another three years. My body feels great. My body can play. My right arm can't. Unfortunately, it's what kind of force me to step away.

Understandable. And obviously, didn't Drew hurt that same right arm out there in San Diego before? Yeah. Yeah. When he tried to jump on a fumble and it kind of got bent all the way back. John Lynch jumped on the ball.

I think they only gave him like a 10%, 15% chance of playing again. Yeah. That's one of the reasons the Dolphins didn't sign him because remember, they had that opportunity to sign him. They didn't. I think if I'm not mistaken, they went with Dante Colbert. Didn't they go with Dante Colbert?

Yeah, with Pep at, man. I wonder with Pep at. And so, yeah. And who knows? Maybe Coach Saban, if he gets Drew Brees, maybe he doesn't go to Alabama. Maybe Alabama is not the perennial program that we know it to be. They don't have six national championships. They don't.

They're not. You know, Alabama was Alabama. There was a time Alabama in the 70s and 80s, Alabama was it. When they had Coach Bryant, Coach Saban reestablished that. They're probably not that if they don't get Coach Saban. But, you know, he didn't get the quarterback. He ends up going to Alabama,. We know the rest is history. But who's to say if Drew Brees goes to Miami, maybe we're talking a different story.

But that's what happens a lot of times, don't you? You want to play, but maybe it's the knee. How many guys, man, my body feel good, but I got 85-year-old knees. Man, I feel good, but my feet is like a pregnant woman. They hurt all the time. So, you know what I'm saying? Normally,

it's a body part. I mean, sometimes you beat the hell up. Like, if you were running back, everything, if it hurt. Your shoulders, your back, your hips, your knees, your ankle, everything hurts because they beat the hell out of you. But for the most part, look at Peyton.

If Peyton would have played a couple more years, but that arm, he wouldn't let him play anymore. Yeah, the arm and his neck. Yes, the neck, which triggered down the arm, which he lost a lot of the feeling. His grip strengthened that arm. So, yeah, you probably could have played more, Drew. But you know what?

I don't think you got anything to hold your head back. Let me ask. If somebody would have told Drew Reeves, Drew, we're only going to let you play 15 years and you're going to accomplish what you accomplished in the 15 years, not the extra three to four. He would have taken it. And that's how I look at Ocho.

If somebody would tell you, somebody tell you, Ocho, we're going to let you play 12 years. You're going to go to four, five, six pro bowls. You're going to be an all pro. You're going to be one of the greats in Cincinnati,

Bengal history. You're like, nah, nah, I don't want that. I want, I want to play 18 years. Nah,

hell nah. Somebody tell me a seventh round draft pick, 192. And you tell me I'm going to play 14 and I'm going to do this, this, and this? And have that gold jacket too? Yeah. Look here, I wouldn't even believe

if they told me the gold jacket. Now, everything else I would have believed, don't you? You say I'm going to go to the Pro Bowl? Because that was one of my goals. I wanted to go to a Pro Bowl, and I wanted to play for a Super Bowl. I just wanted an opportunity to play. Yeah, everybody wants to win, but you can't win if you don't get the chance, if you're not actually in the game. But to play 14 and I was, what, number 267 to get a gold jacket?

I think we're probably at like 400 now. Man, I'd have passed out. I was like, oh, hell yeah. I'm definitely taking that. On Tuesday, Justin Fields seemed open to the idea of playing a Taysom Hill-type role in the offense if the Steelers asked him to do so. And now

Russell Wilson says he thinks it would be a good idea, too. Justin is obviously one of the most talented guys in the NFL. You know all the things he can do. The player, the quarterback that he is, he's dynamic. It's all about us winning. That's the focus. I think of strike dynamic it's all about it's all about us winning that's the focus i think of strike fear in some defense that's for sure wilson said that using

field in such a way wouldn't be too much of a distraction or gimmick in his estimation justin is a franchise quarterback he's a guy that can do a lot of amazing things and we have to we have two dynamic guys that can do a lot of special things. Yeah, I don't like... Hell no, you don't like... Yeah, you don't... Go ahead. I don't like the gimmicky using him in a Tayson Hill role. I don't like that.

I don't like taking out Russell Wilson and getting him off track, off rhythm when it comes to running offense, having to come on and off the field in the middle of a series, to put Justin Fields out there to do one thing, run the ball, and using him in a gadget type way when that's not the type of player he is. I understand he's a dual threat quarterback. He has certain things that he does very well.

Obviously, he can throw the ball. Obviously, he can throw the ball. Obviously, he can run the ball as well. But allow Russell Wilson to take control of the helm and do what needs to be done on that team and not just start just throwing all type of stuff out there because you have a quarterback that's also a dual threat. No. Listen, maybe have small packages for him in certain games, but I think it just messes up the rhythm of the offense. Hell, when Taysom Hill was doing it with the Jameis, with the Taysom Hill and who?

Yeah. Or Derek Carr. He did something with Drew. He did something with Drew. Drew Brees too? Yeah, he did with Derek Carr. He did with Jameis. He did something with Drew.

It's cool, but no. No. Listen, I think Justin Fields is the future of the Steelers. I think Russell Wilson is going to have a tremendous year in Pittsburgh, and he's going to find somewhere else next year, and he's going to be the quarterback of their future for the next

five, seven years, and I think Justin Fields needs to not allow them to make him somewhat of a gimmick with these special plays and stay true to yourself as a starting quarterback, which you will be next year for the Steelers. Don't start that

gimmicky stuff because they will see you and view you at just that, a gimmick. Thank you. I wouldn't, if I'm Justin. Yeah, don't fall for that't I think the thing is because nobody I think when I'm looking at I'm looking at Taysom Hill um he's a jack so he can do a lot of different things Justin Fields I'm not trying to throw Justin Fields no pass he's a quarterback yeah he's a quarterback and if you view him as a friend what franchise quarterback

have they viewed in that way they say you know what in the time being you are franchise quarterback they tried to make tasem tasem hill is a not a star he's not a quarterback he can come in and play quarterback for a series or two but he's a guy you hand it to him you throw it to him you let him throw it. He can block. Nah, that's not Justin Fields. Justin Fields is a pure quarterback. I wonder who even suggested that. And don't be making no suggestions on what you think.

Who do you think suggested that anyway? Well, I mean, hey, Russell talking about it. No, because I don't think Russ wouldn't even subject honestly, Russ wouldn't even subject him to being a gimmick quarterback like that, coming in, certain packages, running the ball.

I'm trying to do anything I possibly can to limit his ability to get on the field to play quarterback. And if that means putting him in a situation where he's running back kickoff punts, I throw it to him. And once you do that, once you set that precedent, saying that, okay, this is okay,

that's how they're going to treat you. And they're going to conduct themselves in treating you like a gimmick quarterback from that point forward. You are a traditional dropback quarterback that has the ability to run when need be. Right.

See, you see what Lamar did. Lamar said, nope, I'm a quarterback. I ain't running no routes. I ain't finna run no routes to show you I can run routes. I ain't finna take no handoffs. Hey, I might like y'all throw me a pass. I might toss it one day and, you know, I sneak out the back and try to catch me a touchdown like Nick Foles, Elway caught a couple of touchdowns.

I think Brady's caught a couple of passes. But y'all not finna do, y'all not finna have no package in. Is the package called for me playing quarterback? That's the package. I play quarterback. I can't find anybody. I'll run. That's the package.

But as far as you putting me out at wide receiver and me going out to catch a pass like a Terrell Brown, oh, hell no. Absolutely not. No. And I agree with you. However you let them

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