Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Luka trade compared to Babe Ruth trade, Booker on the Suns bad season, + Omarion Hampton joins the show to talk about the draft!

Episode Date: April 11, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Luka trade being compared to Babe Ruth trade, Booker says its been a slow bleed out all year, & Omarion Hampton joins the show ...to talk about the draft!08:36 - Get well soon Adrian11:50 - Luka trade compared to Babe Ruth trade19:44 - Devin Booker, Kevin Durant + Suns miss playoffs35:55 - Omarion Hampton joins the show49:47 - Bruce Arians on Anthony Richardson1:02:00 - Sheuder Sanders visits with Steelers(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:09:23 We've got Amarion Hampton joining us in a bit, but first, before we get into the topic, one of our staff members on our social team, Adrian, he had a medical emergency today. We need your thoughts and prayers going out to Adrian. Very hard worker.
Starting point is 00:09:40 Adrian, if you're watching this, hey, get better soon. Take your time. Hey, we got you covered, bro, soon take your time hey we got you covered bro but take your time he had to suffer a medical emergency today but I think he's doing well we're going to reach back out tomorrow and see if he's getting better and better hopefully he
Starting point is 00:09:56 is but Adrian know that we're praying for you and get back when you can oh lord have mercy this man here what happened man We're praying for you and get back when you can. Oh, Lord have mercy, this man here. What happened, y'all? What happened?
Starting point is 00:10:16 I already knew it. What? You was in the same classroom the whole day. And you had one teacher. She taught him everything, y'all. He never left that class. From K through 12, Ocho stayed in the same classroom the entire day. And you know what?
Starting point is 00:10:38 I love when you say that, but the funny thing about it is I was a 4.0 student. Obviously, in college, I made the dean's list. Yeah, but it was great on a 15-point scale. No, no, no, no, no, no. You better, man, check my resume. Check my record, man. Ocho. Miami, BC, Atlanta.
Starting point is 00:10:48 Ocho. Yeah. Ocho, you went to Juco. You know why I went to Juco? Yes. That's the reason why everybody go to Juco. Why? Yes.
Starting point is 00:11:01 Hey, we... Your grave, you couldn't have got in prison. You didn't have to go to Juco. You had to go to Juco. You had to go to Juco to get in prison with them graves. Nah, nah, nah. My grave is good, man. My grave is good. It just... Listen, I just wanted to play football.
Starting point is 00:11:13 You hear me? My grandma used to... I know. And your graves were indicative of that. Yeah. Somebody that just wanted to play football. I was a brilliant man. I just wasn't focused.
Starting point is 00:11:22 I wasn't focused. I'm just telling you. Listen, you can tell how smart I move, right? You can tell how smart I am, despite the jokes and the entertainment. Think about how I've moved and how successful I've been far removed from the game of football. You hear me? I know my stuff now. You had the wake-up call.
Starting point is 00:11:40 Like a lot of us had the wake-up call. Oh, yeah. Hey, listen. Can I tell you something real quick going to juco and being ineligible one year you know and seeing everybody pass me by and my back was against the wall um it was do or die absolutely it was do or die yeah ain't nobody waiting around ain't nobody feeling sorry for you at all my grandma always said baby you need to focus on your books first and put football second.
Starting point is 00:12:05 And I felt I was good enough to do it my way. And lo and behold, the one time I tried it her way was that one year that after being eligible at a two-year institution, it took me three to get out of. I did it her way, focused on school first. I did my summer classes at West L.A. I did some at Southwest, too, in L.A. Got myself together, got that one-for- classes at West LA. I did some at Southwest, too, in LA. Got myself together. Got that one-for-one at Oregon State. Man, look here, man.
Starting point is 00:12:29 I ain't look back since then. Yeah. Well, we glad you figured it out. Yeah, that's me. That's me. That's me. That's me. Oh, Joe, Jason Kidd says,
Starting point is 00:12:40 some are comparing the Babe Ruth, Luca with AD. They're comparing that trade to when Babe Ruth, the Red Sox traded Babe Ruth Luca with AD. They're comparing that trade to when Babe Ruth, the Red Sox traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees for $100,000 because the owner wanted to finance a movie, which is kind of cool in regards to the Luca trade.
Starting point is 00:12:57 I mean, if the Yankees is pretty cool, not if you're the Red Sox because it was 80 years and you was cursed. So I don't know the prism or the lens in which Jay, Jay kid is looking at this through, but he's on the wrong end of this trade currently. So for the Yankees,
Starting point is 00:13:16 yes, it's very cool. Right. Excuse me for the Lakers is very cool. Like it was for the Yankees because they got Babe Ruth. The team that traded Babe Ruth, there was an 80-year stretch where it wasn't good.
Starting point is 00:13:29 It wasn't good. And I think the lens that he's looking at it from, he's looking at it on how great Babe Ruth was, not only when he left the Red Sox, but what he was able to do
Starting point is 00:13:38 for the Yankees once he got there. And I think Jason King can also see long-term the visual effects of having Luka and how consistent he's going to be with the Lakers.
Starting point is 00:13:47 And it's almost a shot at his own organization, huh? Yeah. It's a shot at his own organization because how could we do this where you're comparing the trade of Luka to the Lakers to that of Babe Ruth leaving the Red Sox to go to the Yankees? Yeah, because we know what he did for the Yankees. It catapulted them and put them in a stratosphere. And they now, as far in terms of baseball, they're the number one baseball team.
Starting point is 00:14:10 I mean, hey, the Yankee pinstripe. Nobody else has a Yankee pinstripe. Or has a signature or Seville, Savile Row, whatever you want to call it, where they're named after something like, man, them Yankee pinstripes. Nobody else has that. Beirut, trade, Boston and New York for cash, universally regarded as one of the worst sports trades in history. The Yankees became the Yankees.
Starting point is 00:14:35 The Red Sox suffered a curse of the Bambino by not winning the World Series for 86 years. I don't know if the Dallas fans are going to be happy if they don't win a championship for 86 years. I don't know if the Dallas fans are going to be happy if they don't win a championship for 86 years. Well, it's like he's looking to going down that way unless someone magical
Starting point is 00:14:55 comes along and free agency, someone magical comes along. That's a one and done in college. It ain't looking too pretty. Well, let's see what happens when kairi gets back hey stop when kairi gets back ad with the team they have they have gaffer they have lively they got three live active bodies that you can play ad at the four now when you really need him you can play him at the five late in the ball game which he likes to be right which he's plays his best when he's at the four but he can play the five last five minutes of the ball game.
Starting point is 00:15:27 So you got three active big with Gafford, AD, and Lively. Likely. It's likely. Lively. Lively. Lively. Yeah, Lively the second. So once you get him, Kyrie, Nick Marshall has played really well let's see Clay Clay has
Starting point is 00:15:49 had some really good games he's been off obviously we know Clay is not what he once was but he can get hot he can catch fire yeah most definitely so let's see right now is really not the time I know everybody's looking at the trade of a vacuum because what the lake since what Luke is doing for the Lakers and especially what he did last night. Yeah. Let's give this trade a year or two. Then we can really assess it. Says, okay,
Starting point is 00:16:11 because what happens if the Mavericks are in the finals? What happens if they turn this thing around? So, no, I think with Kyrie, I think with Kyrie Ocho, we know Kyrie is a, is a,
Starting point is 00:16:21 is a, is an all-star. Yeah. Anthony Davis is an all-NBA and an all-star. Yeah. Anthony Davis is an all NBA and an all-star. So two of those guys with the team that they got, obviously they can probably make some moves. Now what's to say they don't make a move and could possibly land KD. Now, are you still upset?
Starting point is 00:16:38 No, I'm not. KD, Kyrie and AD. Hold on. We keep, we keep talking about Kyrie. Listen, I love Kyrie. I love everything that he does, right? Everything that he can do, especially being one of the greatest dribblers and greatest dribblers
Starting point is 00:16:50 of the ball and being able to create his own shot. But, Hunky, he's coming off an ACL tear. Do we know what Kyrie we're getting coming off of that? Can he come back and still have the same lateral movement, the same quickness, still be able to do the same things he did that made him special when he has a ball in his hands.
Starting point is 00:17:07 We don't know that yet. I believe he will, considering with the way medicine is and the way these guys come back now. Right. It used to be a death sentence when you had an ACL back in the 70s, maybe even the 80s. Right. But now with the way medicine is, Ocho, these guys coming back in seven, eight months. Now, basketball players, they normally err on the side of caution. Ocho, these guys coming back in seven, eight months. Now, basketball players,
Starting point is 00:17:25 they normally err on the side of caution. Yes, sir. So he probably won't be back until after the new year. So 26 possibly would be the earliest that you're going to see Kyrie.
Starting point is 00:17:35 But I have no doubt in my mind that he's going to come back and be the same Kyrie. He's still going to be dynamic. He's still going to be electric. And now you pair him with AD. And who knows what they're gonna do there i don't believe they're expanding that they obviously look there's a report out
Starting point is 00:17:51 there that they're uh the sons are gonna have to do something because the way they're constructed even with kd even with book even with bradley bill right they're gonna miss the playoffs they're not even in the play-in so you can't keep this team the same right so you're paying 300 plus million dollars you got 300 plus million dollars tied up in three guys and you missed the playoff in its entirety yeah you gotta blow it up yeah you gotta blow it up um kd is leaving i i know that yeah kd bill i mean hey you you gotta get you to move on because it's not working. It hasn't worked. And a matter of fact, when they made the playoffs, if I'm not mistaken,
Starting point is 00:18:31 I think they got swept. So you get swept. You miss the playoffs. It's over. Yeah. It's over. So let's see what they do. But, yeah, J. Kid, I don i don't know i mean you look at this
Starting point is 00:18:46 thing i think you look at it upside down had you got luca you could say yeah we can compare this but right y'all ship luca out yeah so i guarantee you the red socks weren't it once babe ruth started knocking the ball over the fence and they started winning world series yeah i don't think they were as happy but as they thought they were going to be. You got to look at it, though. For Jason Kidd to say what he's saying as the head coach of the Dallas Mavericks, it just tells you how
Starting point is 00:19:13 special Luka was. You're even using that in comparison to that trade that long ago. Again, it's a low blow and it's a shot at management. How could you do something like this? How could you have a trade of this magnitude?
Starting point is 00:19:30 Because he's comparing it to that of Babe leaving the Red Sox. Right. And plus the thing is, Luke is 26. He didn't ask to be traded. Babe Ruth didn't ask to be traded. You know, the owner wanted to finance a play and he needed money and hey, it happened.
Starting point is 00:19:45 And they traded, if I'm probably mistaken, because they're in the same division now. I don't know if they were back then. But you traded him to a division rival. So it's crazy that it happened. But, hey, I don't know if crazier things have happened. But we'll see. Right. But I think you're going to gonna have to give this deal i can't look at it this year kairi got hurt ad was hurt for a large part of a large stretch i think he missed 20 plus games um after he got there played great the first three quarters of a game and was outstanding and then he got injured and he
Starting point is 00:20:22 missed some time so let's see over the next two to three years how this trade play out because we might look at it hey might look at it totally different yeah devin booker spoke about the suns missing the play and he said it's been a slow bleed out i've been feeling this way the majority of the season does the sun missing the playoffs change your view on kd's legacy? No, absolutely not. I don't think it changes his legacy. There's only so much KD can do. KD still, regardless, them missing the playoffs will be one of the greatest scorers of all time.
Starting point is 00:20:56 Nothing will change that. I think the chase of having super teams, I think it's come to an end now. I think it's come to an end now. I think it's come to an end. KD's probably going to be, he will move on somewhere else. Where he goes, I'm not sure. I think he will try to get another title or two.
Starting point is 00:21:16 So wherever he chooses to go, I'm sure management might not cooperate, but probably give him that grace in sending him somewhere where he wants to play and where he has a chance of winning a title. I don't think Devin Booker's going to be there as well. I think I'm not going to use it. I hate using the term
Starting point is 00:21:31 you wore out your welcome, you don't want to stay too long, similar to what stayed with the Blazers a little too long because he wanted to be loyal. Oh, no, you're talking about you're talking about KG with the Timberwolves. No, no, no, no, no, no. With the Trailblazers. Dame Dollar? Yeah, Dame, Dame, you're talking about KG with the Timberwolves. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:21:46 With the Trailblazers. Dame Dollar? Yeah, Dame, Dame, Dame. I don't want Devin Booker to do that. I don't want you to wear out your welcome and try to be loyal to a franchise that really, really isn't going anywhere. Give yourself a chance. Give yourself a chance to compete at a championship
Starting point is 00:22:02 or at least make the playoffs and get past the first round. So I think both of them are probably going and the Suns are going to have to scrap everything and really start all over. But this is where I would disagree with you. This notion that we put, drop Kevin Durant in and that team is automatically
Starting point is 00:22:20 a championship contending team is just no longer true. We've seen him get dropped in at brooklyn he got swept and he got to the second round he had a 3-2 lead and he lost two games the game seven on his court we see him go to phoenix with devin booker and bradley bill yes sir while his legacy might not be altered it may may not. Let's see once his career is done. But this notion that you drop Kevin Durant in anywhere and they are a championship contending team is no longer true.
Starting point is 00:22:54 It's no longer true. And I don't think I defy the person that can argue that point and say, Shannon, it is true. We saw him with Kyrie. We saw him with it is true. We saw him with Kyrie. We saw him with James Harden. We saw him with Devin Booker. We saw him with Bradley Beal. The only thing that we know
Starting point is 00:23:14 is Steph Curry, Draymond, and Klay Thompson. That was a team that won 73 games the year before he got there, and it blew a 3-1 lead. They beat a team. Kevin Durant was on the team that blew the 3-1 lead to Golden State. Golden State turned around and blew a 3-1 lead to the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Starting point is 00:23:38 So with that being said, I think it's going to be hard press for any analysis, for any historian, for any historian, for any player in the NBA as great as Kevin Durant is to say that you just drop him in and they're a championship contending team is not true. It's not true.
Starting point is 00:23:57 Because we've seen it. Hold on. Even with him being able to score the way he can? So what happens? So could he not score in Brooklyn? Well, remember, everything went haywire in Brooklyn with Kyrie. Okay, what happened in Phoenix? You see, we keep saying, see, you keep coming up with excuses. Well, I'm just telling you what, it's not excuses.
Starting point is 00:24:19 If it's documented on what happened. Kyrie was in Kyrie. You know, I'm not sure what was wrong with Kyrie. James Harden, James Harden wanted out. I mean, it seemed like everything fell apart from what looked good that I thought, even I thought, you know, as somewhat of a basketball fan. I'm like, oh, well, the Nets, they definitely going to be, they going to have a shot. They definitely coming out east. That's what I thought until, you know, Kyrie was disgruntled.
Starting point is 00:24:44 James Harden got upset. He wanted out. And KD was like, So why? Yeah, by himself. Why did James Harden want to get out? I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:24:52 I don't know what type of internal issues they were having. Just from the outside looking in, I thought it was a good look. Y'all stop this. See, every time
Starting point is 00:24:59 we have a conversation, they try to slide LeBron. That's not true because LeBron went to Miami. Okay, what were they doing before LeBron arrived in Miami? When LeBron left, how long before they got back to another NBA Finals? When LeBron went to Cleveland, how long before they returned to the Finals? They went all four years, they won one.
Starting point is 00:25:22 Kyrie got hurt in the overtime of game one. Kevin Love never played in that series. He goes to the Lakers. And in the second year, they win a title. So this notion that where LeBron James goes, the rings don't follow, is just not true. Because we've seen him move three times in all three locations. There's a trophy, and he's the finals MVP.
Starting point is 00:25:44 So this notion that LeBron James doesn't move the needle is just not true. You might not like him. You can call him all the names you want, but it's factual. It's factual. Pure and simple. I get it. He's the most, I mean, he has a Ken doll now, the first athlete to be a Ken ambassador.
Starting point is 00:26:07 Very unique. Unbelievable. They did. They got all the details, right? But this notion guys, come on now, let's be fair.
Starting point is 00:26:15 See y'all blame it. So he's in Phoenix. He got Devin Booker. Who's an all-star Bradley bill was an all-star. They missed the playoffs with three all-stars. They missed the playoffs. They got swept the first year. Come on, man.
Starting point is 00:26:38 Cleveland seems to be doing fine without him. How long has LeBron, hold on, how long has LeBron been in L.A.? Four. Has it been four years? Like seven years. Has it been that long? 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24.
Starting point is 00:26:52 Six years. Okay. So six years. Now, I know after LeBron left, give me a pick. Darius Garland. What pick was Darius Garland? Because if you're doing well, you're not picking Darius Garland. Darius Garland was the top five pick. Am I correct?
Starting point is 00:27:08 He was the fifth pick in the draft. What about Sexton? What pick was he? Conan Sexton. What pick was Evan Mobley?'s no shit y'all talking about cleveland seemed to be just fine they should be they gotta talk evan mobley was the third pick in the draft uh uh darrens garland was the fifth pick in the job a car roll with the fifth pick in the draft what pick was what pick was Sexton? Mobley was three.
Starting point is 00:27:46 Sexton, Cornwall was five. Garland was five. What about Sexton? They ended up trading him to get Donovan Mitchell. He was a lottery pick. Yeah. He was eight.
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Starting point is 00:28:07 Yeah. Three. Come on now. Y'all don't want to argue this. Y'all really don't. I got time tonight. I got time tonight. Y'all don't really want to.
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Starting point is 00:33:05 I just want to throw that at y'all. Ocho, I don't... See, here's the problem that you have when you trade for KD. Because you're going to have to give up so much to get him. Because people want to... Because they gave up so much to get him. Think about what they gave up.
Starting point is 00:33:21 What they traded. A Mikael Bridges. A Cam Johnson. Four first-round picks.. So I need to replenish my cupboard, my pantry, for what I lost giving him up. Now you're never going to get equal value back. There you go. So already knowing that,
Starting point is 00:33:37 they can only ask for so much. Because there is no equal value out there in the NBA outside of players that are untouchable. Outside of players outside of players that are untouchable. Outside of players that are going to be untouchable. Right. And so that's the thing, Ocho. But see, here's the, like, him going to Golden State because let's just say Golden State had to trade for him.
Starting point is 00:33:57 Right. They would have probably had to give up Clay or Draymond. They would have had to give up a piece. Right. But because he was a free agent. Right. It made it easy. Boom. It made it easy. I ain't got to give up a piece right but because he was a free agent right it made it easy boom made it easy i ain't gotta give up anything and he took a he took a friendly deal he could
Starting point is 00:34:10 have got more he took a little less money okay he goes to brooklyn he's a free agent they don't have to give up anything so now you can trade those pieces kairi was a free agent they go together james harden comes you had to give up some but but now you got Harden, you got Kyrie, and you got KD. For whatever happened, James Harden sees where it's going. He's like, man, we can't win here. He wanted to trade. You trade for
Starting point is 00:34:36 Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons was damaged in Philly. I knew from the time they lost that to Atlanta, I said it was done because once I heard Doc talk after the game, I heard Joel and B talk after the game. Go back and look it up. I said it was done because once I heard Doc talk after the game, I heard Joel Embiid talk after the game. Go back and look it up. I said he's done there.
Starting point is 00:34:50 It'll never be the same. It's done. Now, you get him, not Kyrie. You have the COVID situation. Kyrie doesn't take the COVID vaccination. He has the issue where he tweeted the link. Okay, whatever happened, it happened. Right.
Starting point is 00:35:05 He moves. KD's like, Okay, whatever happened, it happened. Right. He moves. KD's like, bro, it is what it is. It's not going to work. Let me go somewhere. He wanted to go to Phoenix. He likes Book. Seemed like a great. But you got it.
Starting point is 00:35:20 But see, when you trade the same thing with Melo when he went to the Knicks, you have to give up so much to get him. You looking at that team, you're like, well,'re like well damn man I really like that they nice over there when you get there they've given up all the top two three of the top picks and draft picks well how do you how do you build a team
Starting point is 00:35:38 Ocho you're 3D you have no depth see the difference is Boston drafted deep. You have no depth. Yeah. See, the difference is, Boston drafted, drafted, so we got our core. Right. Now,
Starting point is 00:35:53 the first mistake that they made, Milwaukee, they traded for Dane. They give up Holiday. Well, it seems to me, when you give up Dane, Portland says, we're going young. Right. Boston says, we'll take Holiday. We'll take seems to me when you give up Dane, Portland says, we're going young. Right. Boston says, we'll take Holiday.
Starting point is 00:36:08 We'll take him off your hands. You get Derek White on a deal early. You bring Big Al back. Yeah. You made him whole. So now I can build around because I'm piecing things together. I don't really have to give up a whole lot because Portland wanted to go young.
Starting point is 00:36:30 They weren't asking. They didn't ask for Jalen Brown. They didn't ask for obviously Tatum. You're not getting him. And they swung the deal for Przingas. Przingas wanted out. He didn't want to play with Luka anymore. He said, I'm tired of y'all play with Luka anymore he said I'm tired
Starting point is 00:36:45 of y'all blaming me for every damn thing I'm going to get out so that's the problem that you have when you give up so much for KD
Starting point is 00:36:56 what do you have Ocho? you could have two stars but what about your bench what about your depth that's where the Celtics beat your ass. When they come in with Pritchard, they come in with Hauser, they come in with
Starting point is 00:37:10 Al Horford off the bench. You got three perimeter defenders with Holiday, with Derek White, and Jalen Brown. Tatum can defend. Obviously, he's not like those guys, but he can defend. Yeah. You gotta have depth. OKC.
Starting point is 00:37:25 Depth. Damn. I don't like that. That's why Cleveland made the trade to get DeAndre Hunter. They wanted to add strength to their bench. Right. Because if you can't have a bench, that's what Golden State used to kick your ass. Because if they had a lead, the second unit, the Shock Troops, would extend the lead.
Starting point is 00:37:50 If the other team had the lead, they would cut into it or even the game up. Now you bring KD, you bring Steph, you bring Draymond, you bring Clay back. They run away from you. Yeah. Well, the way you make it sound, it's like it's impossible. It's impossible for KD to go anywhere. So he might as well stay in Phoenix because there's no way they can get the value of the conversation for him. No.
Starting point is 00:38:18 The problem is, he knows they tried to, they wanted, they would have, if KD would have said, yeah, I want to go, they would have moved him. It was in the middle of the season. It was the middle of the season. So nothing could happen in the middle of the season. So guess what? If they want to move you In the middle of the season What the hell you think They'll do in the offseason They're going to move you
Starting point is 00:38:28 In the offseason Okay Yeah They're going to do it Yeah Hey How do you think He arrived in Phoenix
Starting point is 00:38:35 There was a middle of the season Trade Yeah So he was not like He wasn't He's new to this Right That's how he can ride the things.
Starting point is 00:38:47 That's, that's. I was there during the Superbowl. It happened during the Superbowl. Right. Remember I told you, I, at our hotel,
Starting point is 00:38:52 I walked to the hotel and I'm like, damn, that's a tall ass dude. That's damn, that's KD. You know what I'm saying? Uh, it's going to be,
Starting point is 00:39:04 my thing is, it's just that you're going to be My thing is It's just that You're going to have to give up so much To get him They're going to want I mean if he goes to Miami Who do you think they're going to want? Are you going to give up Hero?
Starting point is 00:39:14 Are you going to give up Bam? Are you going to give up Hot What? Hot Smith? Was it Hot Smith? Hot Tower? Which one is it? Probably
Starting point is 00:39:22 Probably Tyler No No no no Pat Riley ain't giving up Tyler Hero When they got Which one is it? Probably Tyler. No, Pat Riley ain't giving up Tyler Hero. When they got scary Terry Rozier, they're going to probably want to get up off him because he's dealing with the stuff with the gambling and all that. He's been injured. That's tough. We can continue this.
Starting point is 00:39:41 We'll come back after this. Ocho actually connecting now. Draft pick Amarion Hampton. He's a second team AP All-American, first team All-ACC running back, finalist for the Dole Walker Award, led the team with 15 rushing touchdowns, ranked third in the FBF with 1,660 rushing yards, a former Gatorade North Carolina Mr. Football Player of the Year and winner of the state's Mr. Football.
Starting point is 00:40:09 Where are your eyes set on UNC or, oh, no. Amar Yon. I'm about to read, I'm about to read everything for you, bro. How you doing? I'm good, bro. How you doing, bro? I'm doing good. How about you?
Starting point is 00:40:24 I'm doing great, bro. I see you repping CAA, so that's the agency that you signed with? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just recently joined them. They've been annoying me through the past season, so I feel pretty good about them. Good, good. Congratulations.
Starting point is 00:40:38 Let me ask you this. You're Gatorade, Mr. North Carolina. You're arguably, obviously, so you win that award. That means you're the state's best football player. Why did you choose UNC? Did you want to stay at home? Did you go to Georgia? Did you Alabama?
Starting point is 00:40:53 Anybody else? What was it about UNC that says, you know what? Home is where I want to be. Yeah, yeah. I took a official to Florida. I took a official to Auburn, Penn State, and then UNC. And then I kind of narrowed it down to Penn State and UNC. And then I kind of was just always up at UNC.
Starting point is 00:41:13 It's like 50 minutes from my crib. So it was like I got to know the teammates. I got to know the coaches. I feel like the playing style they had at the time, the offense they had at the time fit me well. So I feel like that was a big part of it too so i feel like all of that put it together so hey oh i want to i want to ask you about your combine experience um i remember my combine experience being very nervous uh uh the unfamiliarity having to be
Starting point is 00:41:41 in front of scouts being in front of you know that many people and the pressures that came with it how did was your experience at the combine and how do you feel you did yeah yeah i feel like it was definitely different it was something i had to just do just uh being in like meeting after meeting after meeting yeah just going into that and then uh having to like uh run your 40 and do like all the competitive stuff on the last day. But I feel like I did good on it. I feel like I was prepared for it. I feel like Brent, the guy I was training with, Brent Callaway, he did a good job with all his players and stuff like that. I feel like he's been helping us prepare for it well.
Starting point is 00:42:16 So I feel like I did well on it. It was a good experience just getting to talk to all the head coaches and stuff. It was really cool. If you had to take a guess on the coaches that you do and you know how you can get a feel you get you can get a feel on on who likes you and you kind of get a feel on who doesn't based on the type of questions they ask you based on how in-depth they get with the personal questions outside of the game of football if you had to take a guess, who do you think is leaning towards the draft in you on draft day? Yeah, I mean, whoever picked me, I'll be happy with. I mean, there's a lot of teams who need to run back.
Starting point is 00:42:54 So, I mean, whoever picked me is going to get the best of me, really. So, I feel like I kind of don't look at all the little drafts, mock drafts, stuff like that. That's where I was going to take it because a lot of the mock drafts, the latest mock drafts have you going to the Broncos. Now, if you need to hook up, you know, hey, I know some people. I wouldn't be mad at it. Because if you look at it, Mariano, if you look at it,
Starting point is 00:43:23 you see what Saquon was able to do. You see what you're giving. And you see what, uh, uh, Josh Jacobs. And you see what King Henry, we see it.
Starting point is 00:43:31 You see the resurgence. There was a stretch for about a decade. Yeah. The running back was not as bad, not, not a decade, probably say six, seven years.
Starting point is 00:43:40 Yeah. The running back was not as valued as it seems to be currently is. And coming back. Why do you think that is? And what can you add? If a team, I'm drafting, and I drafted Marriott. Tell me what type of player, what type of person am I getting? Yeah, well, I mean, it's just for me, I feel like I love to see
Starting point is 00:44:00 just like the Derrick Henrys, Saquon, just them doing their thing out there. I feel like it's putting more value in the position itself. I feel like if the team drafts me, they're going to get a three down back. They're going to get a guy that plays special teams. They're going to go,
Starting point is 00:44:12 everybody can run in this league. So I feel like pass protection is a big thing I key on. I feel like catching out the backfield is another thing that I key on. Just learning the defense, learning like where the stations are, learning how the linebackers move
Starting point is 00:44:24 and stuff like that. Just different things, the linebackers move and stuff like that. Just different things, like all the in-depth stuff like that. So, I mean, just different stuff like that, I feel like, is helping me. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, unless you run back, pause the kickoff, and I don't know if they're going to put you out there on special teams. You might have been playing your last special team snap in college. Matter of fact, I'm glad you just said that. You said you were a three-legged pack, obviously,
Starting point is 00:44:48 and then you said what you can do with pad protection. Then you brought up being able to catch the ball out the backfield. So that makes you that much more valuable than other running backs that can do all those things, right? Yeah, it is. I'm telling you it does. It makes you special. So in
Starting point is 00:45:05 hindsight, when you think about the type of running back you are and what you bring to the table depending on who drafts you, who would your NFL comparison be right now as far as your playing style goes? Yeah, for me, I like to watch a lot of guys, like
Starting point is 00:45:21 tips off a lot of guys. I feel like Joe Midson is kind of like a running star that a lot of guys i feel like uh joe mitson it's kind of like uh a running style that i'm like okay okay okay like uh i try to watch like i like gibbs running style like i feel like bijan is gonna be crazy in the future i feel like uh i feel like all those guys really just like siguan like siguans i feel like everybody like everything okay okay i like i like i like i mean go ahead no i, okay. I like Joe Mixon in Paris. No, I was just saying I like the Joe Mixon in Paris, and that's a good one.
Starting point is 00:45:48 That's a good one. I'm looking at some of the running backs that's come out of UNC, Todd Chandler, Michael Carter, Javante Williams, and now yourself. Have you talked to any of those guys? Have they given you some tips about how to prepare for the NFL, what it's like once you get there in order to give you, because you kind of got a little GPS. You got guys that went to your school
Starting point is 00:46:09 that can partake information that a lot of people don't have. Yeah, yeah. I feel like Javante, Mike Carter, Todd Chandler, I feel like, even the Natron means, I feel like those are all my guys. I can talk to them whenever I need something. Yeah, Natron, yeah, he's a Natron meetings, I feel like those are all my guys. I can talk to them whenever I need something.
Starting point is 00:46:25 That's a close. Yeah, Natron, he's a dog. I can talk to them whenever I need to. They help me out with stuff I need to. I take tips off them, too. So I feel like, yeah, they're always a connection for me, I feel like. North Carolina used to have some great running backs. I don't know if you're probably a little young, but Derek Fenner, famous Amos Lawrence, went to North Carolina.
Starting point is 00:46:47 Oh, but Derek Fenner, they ended up moving to tight end once he got to the nfl but he was an outstanding running back at unc yeah yeah i want to ask you this bro you named after mariano b2k all day so no because i've been proud of him i don't know if i ever seen somebody with a name like Amar Yanni. So damn, I'm like, hold on. Let me ask this man. Your mom about to like B2K back in the day. Nah, nah. They definitely used to listen to him, but I don't know if I was named after him.
Starting point is 00:47:18 Hey, I got one. So UNC was sponsored by Jordan Brand, right? If I'm not mistaken. Yeah, yeah. Sponsored by Jordan Brand, right? If I'm not mistaken. Yeah, yeah. Sponsored by Jordan, yeah. Going into the NFL, going to the NFL, who would be your dream partnership
Starting point is 00:47:30 to be a part of going into the NFL? Would you like to continue with Jordan Brand? Would you like to be with, I mean, obviously that would be Nike as well, but, you know, Jordan Brand had his own select players that are part of, you know, that are part of Jordan. Would you like to be with Nike?
Starting point is 00:47:44 Adidas? I mean, who's who? Yeah. Yeah, right of, you know, that are part of Jordan would like to be with Nike, Adidas. I mean, yeah. Yeah, right now, right now I'm fine with Nike, but, yeah,
Starting point is 00:47:51 right now I'm fine with Nike, yeah. All right, all right, I like it. Yeah. Hey, bro,
Starting point is 00:47:56 look, it don't matter. Cleats on feet mean people eat. So that's what you're trying to do right now. It don't matter if it's, hey, they could be Pony,
Starting point is 00:48:06 they could be Socketty, they could be pony, they could be sockity, they could be a puma. Hey, cleats on feet, people eat. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on. Remember you had pony cleats too? I did, yes. I wore pony cleats my freshman year in high school. Had Converse too. Converse used to make
Starting point is 00:48:22 cleats. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, okay. Hey, when you're not grinding, right? When you're not grinding, what's your go-to cheer move? Are you a gamer? You like music? You like movies? What you be on
Starting point is 00:48:33 outside of the game of football? Outside of the game of football? I probably would be with the boys playing basketball. I'd be hooping all the time. With who? Yeah, yeah. We'd be over at the rec center
Starting point is 00:48:45 just hooping over there and stuff. Okay, so you're not a gamer. No games, no Madden, no FIFA, no Call of Duty? Yeah, I'll be on Call of Duty. Call of Duty is my game. All right, all right, all right. You married?
Starting point is 00:48:59 Oh, yeah, yeah. I got a girl, but I ain't married. I ain't married. Okay. You'll keep her. Stay focused. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:08 Let me ask you something, Mo. Give me your top five running backs. If I said, okay, you get any five running backs that you want from any era. I mean, so give me your top five running backs. Yeah. I'm going to say you got to put Reggie Bush in there. I feel like you got to put him in there. Okay.
Starting point is 00:49:30 I feel like growing up, I was a big Marshawn Litz fan. Okay. Marshawn Litz is in there, too. That boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, let me see. I got to put Saquon in there. Okay.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Saquon. Now. I'm flying. Okay. R.R. Saquon. Now I'm going to do... I'm going to put Derrick Henry in there. Okay. Put Derrick Henry. And then... I'm probably missing... I'm missing a lot of people.
Starting point is 00:49:58 Yeah, you're missing a lot of people. Because you ain't put nobody that came before 2000. Hey, oh, didn't play football before 2000 bro i just want you i just want to throw that out there that's your list hey hey i want you to take off all your lips but they did play the game of football before 2000 but you said you like Joe Mixon. So are you more like you more run for power? You run more for like, are you shifty?
Starting point is 00:50:30 I mean, are you a combination? Yeah, I try to add everything to my game. Really, it's always room to grow, trying to grow to do different things. I feel like trying to make them, make them juke in space, make them do different things, learn off different people. So I feel like it's always room to grow them do different things, learn off different people.
Starting point is 00:50:46 So, I was like, as long as you go to do different things, I try to be versatile as much as I can. Right. Well, bro, we want to thank you for joining us. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I got one more question. Go ahead. I got one more question. If football didn't exist, now, obviously, we all need to have a plan B.
Starting point is 00:51:03 You just NFL stand for not for long. I'm not wishing nothing bad. It's just a question in life. If your plan B, if football didn't exist, let's say it didn't exist, what would your dream career be if you wasn't playing football?
Starting point is 00:51:22 I feel like even what I'm doing now, I feel like, if it weren't like, personal training with football, I feel like I would do personal training with like, just fitness stuff.
Starting point is 00:51:32 So I feel like, going around doing personal training with like, kids who didn't have like, the opportunities that I had, and like, smaller neighborhoods and stuff like that,
Starting point is 00:51:40 I feel like, that's something I wanted to do in the long run, just reaching out to those kids, giving them opportunities that I had. So I feel like that's something I want to do in the long run, just reaching out to those kids, giving them opportunities that I had. So I feel like that's one of the things I'll definitely look into.
Starting point is 00:51:50 That's a good one. That's a good one. That's dope. That's dope. Well, thanks for giving us some of your time. We wish you the best of luck wherever you go, bro.
Starting point is 00:51:58 Hey, it's not how high you go, it's where you go. And once you get there, the journey really starts. Yes, sir. Your journey doesn't start just getting to the NFL. The journey starts
Starting point is 00:52:06 once you arrive in the NFL. So Ocho and I want to wish you best of luck. The Nightcap family want to wish you the best of luck. And check back in when it's down the road. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:15 All right. Appreciate you. Appreciate you. All right. Appreciate you, bro. Don't forget to eat. Thank you. That's Amarion Hampton,
Starting point is 00:52:24 the University of North Carolina running back running back projected to be a first round pick uh mark had him going to the uh the broncos but we'll see since there has been a resurgence we saw what saquon did for the eagles we saw what uh derrick henry did for the ravens offense josh jacobs for the packers jameer gibbs uh for the uh uh for the lionss offense, Josh Jacobs for the Packers, Jameer Gibbs for the Lions. We saw Joe Mixon, what he added to the Houston Texans. And so the running back is kind of like, hey, coming back, we saw the year before what C-Mac did for the 49ers. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:01 So the running back is definitely coming back. Guys that can run, can catch it, but you got to be able to pass block. Yeah. Because once they found that you can't pass block, they're going to bless you. They're going to make you stay in. Every time. They're going to make you stay in, Ocho. So we wish the young man the best of luck wherever he goes,
Starting point is 00:53:22 but we're going to keep an eye on him. We like to keep an eye on the guys that come on nightcap and chop it up with us, Ocho. So I can't wait to see where he goes and how well he does. Ocho, Bruce Arian, regarded as the quarterback whisperer, spoke about Anthony Richardson. He said, Anthony, I think needed two more years in college as a passer. I didn't see him as being able to beat anybody in two minutes in third down.
Starting point is 00:53:45 If you can't do that in the NFL, you're just an average guy. He's right. Yeah, yeah. He's right. He's right. I have a question. You got it. You got third.
Starting point is 00:53:54 Ocho, you make your money on third down. Every time. Every time. Listen, you hope to make your hay on first to make second and third a little easier. But if you don't, the better the passer you are, the more easy it is to convert those third downs. Now, obviously, I think the repetitions, obviously, being in college would have helped him tremendously.
Starting point is 00:54:12 If you look at the numbers, I don't have the numbers in front of me, so I don't want to state and be wrong statistically. But he didn't play that many games in college, huh? That's why he said he shouldn't. And he wasn't a high completion percentage guy in college yeah so we're not playing a whole lot and i get why he came out ocho yeah the guy's a top five pick oh yeah he got 20 plus 25 million dollars probably fully guaranteed they ain't paying that in nil and collective no so i get why right i get why you get why his You get why. His family gets why.
Starting point is 00:54:46 Because at the end of the day, why are we doing this, Ocho? We're trying to set our families up. That's how I'm not saying all. Let me take that back here, Ocho. There's no such thing as all or every. But a lot of us, what we do this for is for our family.
Starting point is 00:55:01 We're trying to get to the bag as soon as we possibly can because everybody didn't grow up like a Grant Hill that had a two-parent or the Mannings or the Watts. So we grew up in a situation a lot of times, his grandma a lot of times his mom, and we
Starting point is 00:55:18 trying to get there to get them out of that situation. So I get why he did it. But what Bruce has said, and I totally agree he could have gotten a lot more by staying and getting better at his craft but at the end of the day
Starting point is 00:55:34 in the two minute drill and on third down is as a quarterback where you make your money you got to have it you got to have it but who's to say there are a lot of quarterbacks in the NFL that have made it that have stayed for four years, that have been
Starting point is 00:55:49 there for a long time, that are still stuck in those same situations and can burn third downs. That's why his big message is also, Ocho, two-minute drill, third down. If you can't do that, you're average. So he's not saying that hey
Starting point is 00:56:06 he believed that he would have been better look at ba's record paid manning right andrew luck uh he worked with uh big ben roethlisberger yes sir had had all those guys in the early stages right uh he worked with uh he had carson if i'm not i think he had Carson. Yeah. In Arizona. In Arizona, yeah. Okay. So he knows something about the quarterback position. I like B.A. B.A. ain't going to tell you like it is. Ain't no sugar coat with B.A. now.
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Starting point is 01:01:11 Listen to Ali and me now on Audible. So I believe because here's the thing, Ocho. He's a 50, he was a 50, maybe a 50% completion guy in college. If you're 50% in college. 50? He's 46. Put it like this here. He had a worse completion percentage than Tebow in the NFL.
Starting point is 01:01:46 And you know, Tebow was 47%. It was worse than Tebow's. You're not going to be successful. Ocho, with the way the field is spaced now, the way they protect the quarterback, the way they protect the receiver, everybody should be completing 60%. Yeah. Yeah, actually, you should.
Starting point is 01:02:03 It's because, to me, I'm not saying the game is easy, but they made the offensive game much easier. Yes. That's the exception to the way defenders and defense are handicapped. So now, it used to be, if you completed in the high 50s, boy, you had a hell of a season. Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. You had a hell of a season.
Starting point is 01:02:23 90s, when I got to the league, and even before, Ocho, if you threw for 3,000 yards was the standard. If you threw for 3,000 yards, because everybody ran to football. That's why many believe Dan Marino still has the greatest statistical passing season, even though they passed him for yards, they passed him for touchdowns. He threw for 5, 000 yards and 48 touchdowns running error that era the running error yeah yeah duper duper and clayton was eating boy boy did you know what they did look i came in when they they knocked they knocked your ass off
Starting point is 01:02:59 there was no part of the quarterback that was off limits right the only thing you couldn't hit him at the bottom of his feet and that's because he was standing on him other than that from the top of the head to the top of your feet yeah you remember i sent you that clip what charles martin did to uh uh uh jim mcmahon oh yeah he was just standing there and he looked around like oh i got you Oh, that was commonplace. Oh, yeah. Go back and look. Bruce Smith jumps off sides.
Starting point is 01:03:28 That's what they call unabated to the quarterback. Right. Bruce jumped off sides, knocked Boomer Southson out. Of the game? For like weeks. Not just the game, for weeks. It was anything goes. Anything.
Starting point is 01:03:45 And so they made it easier. So for a quarterback to be in the 40 goes. Anything. And so they made it easier. So for a quarterback to be in the 40s. Right. Oh, Lord. Rolling. Man. That's bad.
Starting point is 01:04:00 Ocho, he's got to get up to the mid-50s. He's got to get it up to the mid-50s, Ocho. I have a question. Yes. Is the quarterback struggling to have a high percentage or high completion percentage? Do you think that's because of his supporting cast around him is not good enough? Man, he got some good...
Starting point is 01:04:13 Hey, you see what he got in the receivers? He got Jonathan Taylor in the back. We forgot to mention Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We didn't mention him, Ocho. And honestly, having Jonathan Taylor back there, it should make anything having to do with the passing game that much effing easier yes because I know they got
Starting point is 01:04:29 I know they got to see I know they got to see if he in the box absolutely absolutely absolutely listen and you got Pittman they got another receiver too that's really good they got I forget his name though number 10 number 10 oh yes oh my god hey Chad who oh hey I apologize I apologize for the disrespect but T-Rex 2, that's really good. I forget his name, though. Number 10. Number 10, huh? Yes. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:04:45 Hey, Chad. Hey, I apologize. I apologize for the disrespect. But, young bull, whoever wears number 10, I forget your name. Boy, I'm telling you here out of my mouth. Boy, you is the real deal, boy. You the real deal. And I apologize if I don't remember your name.
Starting point is 01:05:04 Boy, young bull, you're a real deal, boy. Oh, yeah. What's his last name, huh? I can't. Oh, man. They got Michael Pittman Jr. What's the other receiver? Gosh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:17 Alex Pierce. Alex Pierce. That's number 10 name, Alex Pierce? And Downs. They got Josh Downs, Alex Pierce, Michael Pittman Jr. I think the tight end is Moe Alley-Cops. And they got Jonathan Taylor. And they had Braden Smith took some time away. He was dealing with some things.
Starting point is 01:05:34 They got a nice offensive line. Yeah. There's no reason. There's none for him to be completing less than 50% of his passes. Because he missed a lot of throws, Ocho. And I say, bro, you don't have to throw
Starting point is 01:05:49 everything to the eye of a hurricane. You got to touch. You got to touch. You got to have some finesse to your game. You got to have some finesse. I'm trying to think what quarterback is labeled having a very... Mitchell is number 10, Ocho. Hey, you don't know his first name?
Starting point is 01:06:06 Adam Mitchell? Yeah. Whatever it is, he could cook. Hey, he'd be cooking. Hey, Brother Mitchell, I apologize. I will never forget your name again. But I'm going to tell you one thing. They got some nice receivers over there, Ocho.
Starting point is 01:06:23 I'm talking about nice. Nice. There's no reason for him to... There's no reason for him to be completing 46% of his passes. With that type of receiving
Starting point is 01:06:41 core, with that offensive line, and with Jonathan Taylor in your backfield? Well, listen, he might be better this year. You never know. You have a whole offseason to work on things, work on the things you need to work on. Going into having another mini camp, another training camp up under your belt, familiarity with the system you're in.
Starting point is 01:07:01 I think and hoping, hoping this year he plays. You got to put the time in. Yeah, you got to. I'm hoping he plays with a lot more confidence and he'll be fine. You got to put the time in. You got to put the time in. And if he does that, remember we had
Starting point is 01:07:18 Pitt Manone. Who else? We talked to some people like, hey, bro, you can't be the first. You can't be the last one in and the first one to leave. It's got to be first. Reverse.
Starting point is 01:07:33 The first one in, the last one to leave. Not the last first. First last. But hopefully he gets it figured out because like I said, I think they got it. Look, that's a very competitive division. You got Houston. Look, that's a very competitive division. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:45 You got Houston. CJ Stroud. Houston going to be. You got Lawrence. You're going to have Cam Ward in that division. Oof. Look, if you go back and study it, Ocho, look at it. It's a quarterback league.
Starting point is 01:07:59 Yeah. Look at the NFC East. Oh. Look at the NFC West. What they have in the West. Look at these divisions. That'll tell you who's winning itC East. Oh. Look at the AFC West, what they have in the West. Look at these divisions. That'll tell you who's winning it. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:10 Quarterbacks, because that's what you got to compete against. I know they're not on the field at the same time, but you have to match him. You can't like, oh, our defense is going to hold him. If I throw for 170 yards, we're going to win. No, you might win one or two games like that but you're gonna have to match that production every time so hopefully hopefully ar gets this thing figured out and uh get this thing turned around shadur sanders met with the
Starting point is 01:08:38 pittsburgh steelers today and was impressed by the visit he even said Mike Tomlin reminds him of his father, Coach Sanders. Steelers was great. I understand why they win so much, why Mike Tomlin is the way he is. He resembled my dad a little bit. They have the same principles. Shador reportedly does not want to be taken top three per NBC. I believe, ideally, he would like to go to New Orleans. I believe that's where he would really like to go.
Starting point is 01:09:10 Of all places, New Orleans? Yep. Can you explain why he would want to go to New Orleans? Just curious. You look at the receiver core they got. Chris Olave. They got Chris Olave. 22, what's the name?
Starting point is 01:09:23 What's the name? The speed? Rashid, no. Yeah, Rashid, yes. Yes. I said it right? Yes. Yes.
Starting point is 01:09:30 Yeah, hey, that young bull can run, boy. You hear me? Yep. Yeah, he can run. I think the tight end, Juwan Johnson. Yeah. I think that's the tight end. Alvin Kamara is still there.
Starting point is 01:09:41 Ooh, that's nice. That's nice. Okay. Indoors. Now you're cooking. Oh, that's nice. That's nice. Okay. Indoors. Now you're cooking. Now you're making sense. You're making sense to me. I just, I don't, he's not going to be there.
Starting point is 01:09:53 What, the Saints pick what? Nine. He ain't finna be, he's not going to be that nine. But here's the thing. He's not going to be that nine. Once he gets past the top three, Ocho, nobody needs a quarterback. He's not getting past the top three. Ocho, nobody needs a quarterback. He's not getting past the top three. Ocho,
Starting point is 01:10:08 Jacksonville's not going to take a quarterback. Tennessee is a quarterback. The Giants need a quarterback. Tennessee has canceled their council Chador. They canceled Travis Hunter. What does that tell you? They canceled the visit. They reached out to the agency and said, we're going to respectfully decline. Hopefully you guys understand. What does that tell you? They canceled the visit. They reached out to the agency and said,
Starting point is 01:10:25 we're going to respectfully decline. Hopefully you guys understand. What does that tell you? Who are they taking? They're taking Cam Ward. And what happens if they pull a belly flop and take Abdul Carter? Okay.
Starting point is 01:10:39 Listen, you know how the NFL works. They had you thinking one thing, and they do another. Let me ask you a question. Talk to me. Does Abdul Carter make them better right now? Or does a quarterback make them? Remember, we just talked about what do you need in that division?
Starting point is 01:10:56 Quarterback. Quarterback. Yeah, absolutely. Lawrence Stroud, you said you believe Anthony Richardson's going to be better. Okay, you're right. You're right. But listen, you said you believe Anthony Richardson's going to be better. Okay, you're right. You're right. But listen, you know what? I look at Abdul Carter and I see him similar to that of a Von Miller,
Starting point is 01:11:11 similar to that of a Micah Parsons. Being able to change and impact the game tremendously, a play right now type of player, that's a good one. Because I'm not talking about just any type of player. I see Abdul-Khaw as a transcending talent, a generational talent, similar to the two players that I just named. But Cam Ward, you're right. You can't go against that.
Starting point is 01:11:37 I believe they're going to. I believe they canceled all visits. Okay. Bless you. It's hard for me to believe, Ocho, that you're going to take a guy with the first overall pick, and you don't have an individual meeting with him. Right. You're right.
Starting point is 01:11:56 Now, there might be a situation on down the line, somebody going to first round, and they're like, I didn't even meet with these guys. Right. But you talk about a top three pick, and you don't meet with these guys. But you talk about a top three pick and you don't meet with them? Okay, you're right. Listen, but I just...
Starting point is 01:12:12 I'm not saying it can't happen. Right. But the likelihood, because guess what? Ocho, you know the first pick in the draft gets $40 to $45 million fully guaranteed. His contract is fully guaranteed the first four years. It's fully guaranteed. Yeah. Listen, I mean, mean listen I'm wishing both of those young bulls luck obviously
Starting point is 01:12:30 whether they get Abdul Carter whether they get Cam Ward Cam Ward is going to be a tremendous tremendous talent you know being able to carry carry over what he was able to do at UM and coming to a program and not revitalizing them offensively and they almost look like the U of O from the early program and not revitalizing them offensively.
Starting point is 01:12:49 And they almost look like the U of O from the early 2000s. So I'm sure he's going to do, you know, his due diligence in trying to revive the Tennessee Titans and some of the mistakes they've had to deal with, with brother Will Levis and Malik Willis. And, you know, some, some of those guys, it's been a miracle. Malik Willis looked competent in Green Bay. He looked competent in Green Bay. He looked competent in Green Bay. He looked very good. When Jordan Love was out,
Starting point is 01:13:08 when Jordan Love was out, he was balling. Yes. But listen, it's easy to ball when you got Reed and Hicks and Watson and Romeo Doves and all those dudes around you. So. I like it.
Starting point is 01:13:23 Tennessee has the first pick. Cleveland the giants the patriots jacksonville vegas jets carolina new orleans chicago and san franc Dallas and it's so funny we know the top three teams could use a quarterback yes sir it seems cleveland is leaning towards Travis or Abdul Carter. The question is, the Giants really controls it. What does the Giants do at three? They need a quarterback. They don't have a choice. They don't have a choice.
Starting point is 01:14:01 And not a quarterback to come in and play right now. A quarterback to sit behind Russell Wilson and James and james winson and danny veto and learn the game you need a quarterback for the future you have two quarterbacks on one year deals you had you need a quarterback for the foreseeable future look i've given jackson i look i've given will levis will levis had calvin ridley and he had d hop Jackson. Look, I've given Will Levis. Will Levis had Calvin Ridley and he had DeHoff. And he had number 85. I can't even pronounce his last name.
Starting point is 01:14:37 They need a quarterback. Right. Damn. So I can see that. I can see them taking a quarterback have him learn for a year with russ russ did a one-year deal i like it yeah the giants are going to be the key yeah the giants are going to be the key you know what's funny is it funny you just you just mentioned a draft order ain't no telling what's gonna happen the day of the draft ain't no telling there might be a player that's someone that's picking seven eight or nine and they sneak up and make sure they grab the the actual individual i want and it changes up
Starting point is 01:15:14 everything on who and who goes where true you that's possible that's very possible. We've seen that. We've seen that happen. Yeah. But, uh, um, it's going to be interesting. I think, I think for me, what are the odds? What are the odds? Uh, uh,
Starting point is 01:15:36 what's draft King giving us on, on, on Tennessee taking a camp war. They got, they got the odds out already. Oh yeah. Hell yeah. Wait, what, what is, they got the odds out already oh yeah hell yeah wait when is the draft
Starting point is 01:15:49 what day I mean April what 24th okay we still got two weeks okay they don't have a night yet I was going to say well it's kind of early I'm thinking that uh considering they see everybody
Starting point is 01:16:06 done cancel those workouts, they probably not going to even give you no odds. Probably minus 2,000. Does anybody have odds out? Draft King, y'all wanted to talk about y'all. You put some odds out. I'll chat like odds
Starting point is 01:16:26 wrong you're joking here what's up what what you're talking to you come on down here to Miami where I got plenty of room for you now
Starting point is 01:16:37 hey you see him he buying TVs he talking about what type of car should I get should I get a McLaren he taking food off your table. I was just thinking about it.
Starting point is 01:16:47 I was just thinking about it. You know, McLaren right here. But you ain't thinking about paying me, though, huh? No, I'm going to pay you. I told you I'm going to pay you. The money ain't the problem. The money ain't the problem. I'm going to pay you.
Starting point is 01:16:58 Yeah. Cam Ward being the first quarterback selected is minus 20,000 Jesus thank you you'd be a fool to take that right
Starting point is 01:17:15 so we shall see in a couple of weeks oh yeah but i think the key is at three ojo yeah i think because i think cleveland i think cleveland cleveland's gonna take one of those defenders what abdul abdul or travis yep because you know what i can put travis at wide receiver and pair him with jerry judy oh that's nasty and have some packages for him at db yeah can you imagine can you imagine denzel ward on one side and and uh and then travis got greg newsome coming to greg newsome and travis coming in at the nickel on spell on certain man. Put Newsome
Starting point is 01:18:06 in the slot. Let Trav go outside. That's nasty. I like that. I like that combination. I like that combination. So it's going to be we shall see. We shall see. I think the key is that the giants at three,
Starting point is 01:18:25 um, uh, new England, not taking a quarterback. Jacksonville is not taking a quarterback. New England, not taking a quarterback. They just took a quarterback at three and they re they really liked this kid.
Starting point is 01:18:36 Braybel has been abundantly clear. One of the reasons he took the job, you know, they always say that because of the quarterback. No, it was a head coaching job and they gave you a lot of money. That's where he took the job. But Hey,
Starting point is 01:18:45 it sounds good at the time. Hey, it was a head coaching job and they gave you a lot of money. That's why you took the job. But hey, it sounds good at the time. Hey, I'm going to rock with it. Right. My only one is Sean, boy. Man, I swear. I need to get you a podcast. Come on. Come on. I need to get you a podcast. What can you do? Can you do anything? What can you do?
Starting point is 01:19:06 Can you do anything? Can you do anything? Oh. Stop, bro. My dog. What? I see you. I love you too, buddy.
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