Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Mahomes sensational, Mahomes-Magic comparison, Saquon dominates

Episode Date: January 27, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the sensational Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid and the Kansas City Chiefs going for the 3-peat after a 32-29 win over Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills in the AFC Championship game. Later, Unc compares Patrick Mahomes to Magic Johnson and the guys debate if Andy Reid is a top 3 coach of ALL TIME, Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley Barkley and the Philadelphia Eagles heading to the Super Bowl after beating Jayden Daniels and the Washington Commanders 55-23, setting a new record for the most points scored in an NFC Championship game and much more!04:00 - Show start04:30 - Intro07:10 - Chiefs vs Bills46:37 - Eagles vs Commanders(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ocho, we got a barn burner. Chiefs beat the Bills. 32-29. Mahomes is now 4-0 against Josh Elliott in the playoffs. The Chiefs are on the cusp of a three-peat, something that no one thought was possible.

And with this victory, Patrick Mahomes now has 17 postseason wins. He breaks the tie with Joe Montana for the second most wins of all time. He's only trailing

one Tom Brady who has 35 career playoff wins. Since Patrick Mahomes has become the starter, became the starter second year Ocho, AFC championship game, they lost in overtime. Won the Super Bowl, lost the Super Bowl, lost in the AFC championship game. Won the Super Bowl, won the Super Bowl,

back in the Super Bowl again. Has there ever been a better start to a career in the history of the game? The only thing I can think is comparable. The only thing I can think is comparable is Magic Johnson. Oh, that's the only thing. Ocho, that's the only thing. Me. Now, look, I go back, so I'm a little older than you, Ocho.

But Magic, as a rookie, as a true rookie, won the title and was Finals MVP. Yes, sir. Didn't go back. The next year, they won it again. He was Finals MVP. They went back again. They got swept. They went back again in 84.

They lost. Yeah. No, they lost to the Rockets in 84. They went back again. They won in 84. They went back again. They won in 85. They lost in 86. They won 87 and 88. So the only thing I can think that can rival this off the top of my head,

and, you know, Ash just threw this up here as a thing of trivia, and, Chad, y'all feel free to chime in. It better start to a career. Magic is right there with him because Magic has, what, three finals MVPs, two records. He has three MVPs, but he would have to see go back to there.

But Ocho, Patrick Mahomes is sensational. I don't know what else to say. I don't either. I don't know what else to say about him. Unc, you say it all the time. Everybody says it all the time.

When it comes to playing special in moments, when the game is on the line, when you absolutely need it, if there's somebody who want to put the ball in their hands at a crucial time in a game, who else are you picking at the quarterback position out of everybody that's ever played? None. Outside of Tom Brady. You got to go with Mahomes. I'm going with Mahomes.

Ava, I'm going with Mahomes. Even with Brady. If I take him at this point in time in their careers, I'm taking Mahomes because of one thing, his legs. Yeah. You see the two touchdown runs. You see the first down run. That's why I would take him because he can do everything, Brady.

He can make every throw. He can make plays outside the pocket. And that's not – look, we know where Tom is. I still believe Tom is the GOAT. Right now, Mahomes just passed because I had him tied with Joe. Right now, I got him in second. Whoa, whoa. I got a question now. Now we have to have a conversation. Chat. Y'all got to stay with me real quick. Now we got to have a conversation when we talk about the GOAT. When we talk about the greatest quarterback of all time, if Mahomes is able to go to New Orleans, you hear me?

If he's able to go to New Orleans to that Superdome and perhaps pull off a three-peat, we got to have a conversation. We're going to have

a conversation, Ocho, but I don't think we can put him in front because he's still, even if he were to win, he's still three behind. Now, let's just say for the sake of argument. My bad.

He goes back to the four-peat, it's done. We ain't talking no more. Right. Ain't nothing else to discuss. If Patrick Mahomes, let's get past this, that you're going to have that discussion because nobody else has ever done it. Right. Nobody's ever done a three-peat in the Super Bowl era.

Has there been teams that win championships? Okay, yes. But we're talking about the Super Bowl. And when Mahomes, because win championships? Okay, yes. But we're talking about the Super Bowl. And when Mahomes, because here's the thing, Ocho. Yes, sir. On third and four,

most teams are going to run the ball, burn 34 seconds off, 35, 36 seconds off the clock. That's not what Andy will do. We've seen Andy far too many times put that ball in his hands. He said, son, I believe in you. Last year against the Baltimore Ravens, what did he do? He Put that ball in his hands. He said, son, I believe in you. Last year,

against the Baltimore Ravens, what did he do? He threw the ball to MBS 30 yards down the field. Andy is not going to sit on it. Ocho,

let me turn it back over to you to this. Yes, sir. I had a conversation with you last week. Talk to me. I said, Ocho,

when Spags feel threatened, what's he going to do? He's going to blow it up. When he felt threatened with Josh on fourth down and he felt threatened, what did he do? Hold on. There's a thing about it. He's going to blow it up. When he felt threatened with Josh on farm town, and he felt threatened, what'd he do? Hold on, listen to the thing about it. Listen to the thing about it.

Spags waited until the right time for an exotic blitz. They hadn't seen all game. Yep. All game. Spags sat on that. Like, think about that. When you talk about playing chess and you talk about playing checkers, you ain't blitzed like think about that when you talk about playing chess and you talk about

playing checkers you ain't glitched like that to that magnitude the entirety of the game but you ain't on the right moment to use that one exotic blitz

and it got home he's coming he gonna blow it up anytime he feels if you go back and study Spaggs especially when he's been with Kansas City

that's all when you threaten him you get in his territory and he feels the momentum he, especially when he's been with Kansas City. That's all. When you threaten him, you get in his territory, and he feels the momentum. He's going to come. He's going to give you zero coverage, what we call bomb blitz. He's looking to blow it up. And that's exactly what he did.

Kincaid, I think he kind of lost it in the life. He misjudged it. Now, this is a— Because Josh still—excuse me, excuse me, Chad. Josh still made a hell of a throw to throw it off his back foot. Give Karloff this credit because he didn't drive him into the ground. He was close. He hit him.

Let him go. Let him go. I ain't going to get no foul in this play. Oh, Joe. You know Kincaid catch that ball. You know that we talk about something totally different now, right? Because now they might get a touchdown, but I'm not begging against, because you must be ready to get a touchdown

and you lead 35, 40 seconds on the clock and they got two timeouts. I ain't betting against my homeboy. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Listen, we've seen him do it before. I ain't betting against him. We saw him get the field goal range with 13 seconds. Yeah.

Josh's probably thinking, what the hell do I got to do to beat this man? Yeah. What happened, what was hell do I got to do to beat this man? Yeah. What happened? What was that, last year? What happened last year is that somebody beat him. Oh, Kansas City went to Buffalo and beat him. He's like, damn, I just can't beat this man in the postseason.

I wanted home field. I got it. He come to my house, kick my ass. I go to his house, he kick my ass. So I need to go to another conference and play on the Super Bowl and then maybe I just get to the Super Bowl like that and I see him in the Super Bowl.

Because he keep beating my tail before I get to the big dance. We are in for a treat. We are in for a treat if you have an AFC team, if you're a Bengals fan, a Ravens fan, a Bills fan, or a Chiefs fan, and I'm trying to think what other teams might

be in contention, this is going to be for the next decade, huh? It's going to be a joy to watch for the next decade, those four quarterbacks go at it and see who ends up in the AFC championship. But they got to knock the big man down.

They got to knock him down. You got to knock down the big Donald. You got to knock him down. And they've done a great job. He's taking less money. Ocho, he's supposed to be the first... He's supposed to have got $60 million five years ago. He said, nah, I'm good with this. He's supposed to have got $60, $70 million

now. He said, nah, I'm good with this. He said, because I need CJ. I need y'all to have some money because McDuffie's going to come up, and I'm going to need y'all to pay him. But I'm also need y'all if some of these free agents, wide receivers, become available, and we can get them on the low. I'm going to need you to get them.

You see, he's like, at the end of the day, he's going to make way, he's going to have enough money. And Tom realized that. Tom's like, bro, when you got that kind of money, Ocho, you get what they call acquisition. So, hey, bro, I got this big deal coming out for you. Hey, check this out.

Don't nobody know about it. $250, I'll let you get in. I'll give you a percentage. I just read today that Jeff Bezos bought $250,000 worth of Google stock before it came available. Now that's about 3 million shares. Yeah. Go Google Google and see how many 3 million shares is.

When you got that kind of money, people are like, well, damn, how guys got that kind of money? Next thing you know, they was making 50 million, had 100 million and now they at 500, they at a billion. Ta-da. I ain't telling you what somebody told you.

I know. You got to think about it, too. Also, people in the chat, you have to understand, everybody's not as fortunate. Everybody's in situations like that. Most of the time, most quarterbacks in a situation, you don't have the revenue or the stream of revenue and income off the field.

No. So Tom Brady was different. Tom Brady can take a home team discount. And he had a wife. He had a wife that's making $40, $30 million a year. So it's different. It offsets what you're not getting from the team. Correct.

Then you think about passing the homes, sponsors, endorsements, coming off the field. So the pay cut that you're taking to allow Andy Reid and the Hunts to build a team around you so that you can compete and be in contention year in and year out, you're making up for it anyway. Yeah. And the Hunts have already said,

don't worry about it. You're never going to have to worry about anything. Because guess what? After next year, they're going to tear it up again. All right. And you know what they're going to do? They're going to give you more up front.

More up front. That's what they're going to do? They're going to give you more up front. More up front. That's what they're going to pay. So it doesn't hurt the cat, and you're going to be all right. And you see him, the MLS team, he invested in that. I bet you got a piece of the Royals invested in that. Yeah. So when you have money, Ocho, if you have money, and you're a good person, you're not a jerk, people will want,

hey, check this out. Hey, we're getting ready to start an MLS team. When we're getting ready to buy this MLS team, we'd love for you to go in with us. We just want your name. Gonna call your ex? Oh, really? Call your financial people. See if it's real on the up and up.

Boom. There you go. That's how it happens. But I thought Josh played really well. He did. I told you. I don't need him to be Superman. The one thing he didn't do, see, I thought the game was about to get out of hand until Patrick Mahomes formed that ball and gave Buffalo life. I thought that game was about to get out of hand, Ocho. Yes, sir.

I thought it was about to get out of hand. I said, oh, Lord, have mercy. And then Buffalo, give Buffalo credit. They made, because they came out in the second half, Ocho, and I don't know if you agree with me or not. It seemed like they made a concerted effort to run the football. James Cook, Josh Allen, I forget the, hold on, let me look

at, Davis, Davis, Johnson. I thought they'd say, you know what, let's run the football. They're playing this soft coverage. They try to kind of try to play us with nickel, a 4-2-5. Let's run the football. And they started running the football and Cook started having some success. Johnson had a run or two.

But Kansas City, I mean, I really don't know what you say about Mahomes because every play that he made, that he had to make, he found Juju. He slings it to Juju, and Juju breaks away. Give Buffalo credit. Kept him out of the end zone on that one. But guys, I don't know. Listen, let's go the elephant in the room. Okay, come on. you breaks away. Give Buffalo credit. Kept him out of the end zone on that one. But guys, I don't, listen. Ocho, let's go in, let's go, the elephant

in the room. Okay, come on. On that fourth down call. Everybody said, well, he got it. Guys, I'm trying to figure out, and I was asking myself, how does the guy on the far side of the field with all those bodies, when the guy right here closest to

him said no. Here's the thing, Ocho guy right here closest to him said no. No, yeah. Yeah. Here's the thing, Ocho. He has the ball like this. Yeah. The ball is not over the line. Mine, yeah.

It's because your shoulder is where the ball is. The ball didn't break the plane. Yeah, at all. He didn't break the plane. And the smart thing you want to do, most people say, why you don't extend the ball? Man, you extend the ball in them trenches like that, it's coming. You see former one of them. You see former. He got it back.

When he jumped over the pile, it came back to him. Now you got lucky there. That's not it because here's the difference, Ocho. In the goal line, once you break the plane, it's dead. It's dead. In the field of play, it's alive. It's still alive. You go over and they punch that ball out and they get it. It's dead. In the field of play, it's a lie. It's still a lie. You go over

and they punch that ball out and they get it. That's their ball. So there's a big difference between the two, between the goal line and the line that's in the line of play

that's in field, the line of scrimmage. But I didn't think he got it. And when I looked at it in real time, I said, he didn't get it. He didn't.

But we obviously didn't. People will argue the call, talk about it. Yeah. But where the ball is, it's where. it. He didn't. Well, obviously he didn't. People will argue the call, talk about it. Yeah, because of the cheese. But where the ball is. Yes. If you have the ball tucked into your chest and you've not passed a line, if anything, you would have to extend it for you to get the first down.

Yes. You can't do that in that scenario, in the trenches like that, in that scrum. You just can't. He didn't want to. The thing is, Ocho, he didn't want to fumble it. No, no, no, no. So he had the ball,

he held it tight because he know guys go, and so in the process of holding it tight, now they got you wrapped up. So now you can extend it, Ocho, because I got my arms around you and I won't let you do this.

Right. And what you want to rely on, you want to rely on your teammates and your offensive players to kind of push you forward. Yes. Obviously, the momentum will stop in the Chiefs. Obviously, the momentum would stop.

They got to stop, yeah. They wasn't having it. That was a good game, though, man. That was a good game. Worthy, worthy, showed he got better and better as the year progressed, filling in for Rasheed Rice. Hollywood Brown was gone. Hollywood came back, had a couple of big catches today.

Juju came in, had two catches. He only had three targets. He had another one. Mahomes overshot him in the middle of the field, and he jumped. He overshot him. Mahomes overthrew him. But Hollywood had a big catch. Kelsey was relatively quiet.

They did a great job. They probably didn't think. I thought Hamlin held. I mean, looking at the all-22 at the high above, I thought Hamlin held him several times. They didn't call it. Yeah. I mean, what the refs did allow them to do, they allowed them to play football. They did.

They allowed them to play a little bit today. You muted, Ocho. Yeah, you're muted. Well, Ocho is muted. Boy, this was a good game. I think, look, I understand that Buffalo, if you're a Buffalo fan and you didn't win, I can understand your disappointment.

Hello, hello. Yep, you're back, Ocho. Okay, yeah, I did. I was switching. I want to switch to the mic so I can use the mic because I'm tapping in the damn echo now I was saying

as far as the holding calls are going now what I did like about the rest the rest allowed them to play football we're going to allow them to play football

now the holding calls or the pass interference calls now they did call if it was egregious and you were impeding the player from getting to a spot and they should have

you got to call some of those yeah you got to you were impeding the player from getting to a spot. And they should have. You got to call some of those. Yeah, you got to. You should have. Yeah. The one on McDuffie, yeah, it was a P.I. Yeah. But that, you can't, Josh Allen couldn't throw that ball any better. No, no, no. McDuffie couldn't have any better cover, the touchdown. The one to Matt Hollins.

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was nice. That was nice. Hollins stuck his hand up because basically what's called him had his other arm. He stuck it up. The ball's like, whoop. Mm-hmm. That was perfect. That was a good catch.

That was a very good catch. Great catch. What'd they have? 147 rush yards, basically almost four and a half yards of carry. Mm-hmm. The one thing about Kansas City, see Kansas City, I thought they let the game get kind of almost get away from them.

They started running it on first down. Well, what happens when you don't run off, when you run on first down and you don't get positive yards, now it's second and long. Now you, or second, and they got a couple,

they got trapped behind the line a couple of times. So now it's, it's second and long. Now Buffalo dials the blitz up on you. Now they trap you. Now it's third and long. You get a procedure penalty. Now it's even third and longer.

Yeah. If you see what happened, they went back and said, uh-uh. Man, let's go back. Throw it on first down. Yeah. Because if you think about it, Ocho, they opened the game. They threw it in the first blue. They got this new formation.

You know Andy. Andy going to come out with a couple of plays that you never seen him do before. You never seen him before. But, man, this was an unbelievable game. I expected it to be what I got.

I expected Buffalo to play tough. I expected Kansas City to win a very, very close game. Yeah. Because it come down to turnovers. Now, they got one, and they turned it into points. Josh fumbled the ball, but he was able to jump back on it.

Jump back on it. But, man. I feel, you know, I don't want to say feel bad. I don't want to say feel sad, but for Buffalo fans, for Buffalo fans, if you're a Bills fan, like, you just you have to be happy in a sense obviously you weren't able to make it to the Super Bowl but every year you're

gonna have a chance and if you keep chopping wood at some point at some point you got to beat the man and you're probably going to beat the man this just hasn't been your year you continue to get close closer and closer and closer and at some some point, it's going to happen. I don't know when. With the way the Chiefs are playing, with the way Mahomes is playing, I don't know when that will happen. And Andy ain't going nowhere. No.

Andy's rejuvenated. Andy's invigorated because they keep Andy young. Right. Andy was in Green Bay with my brother. And so I know Ray and my brother thanks the world of him. He used to go to the Pro Bowl and his wife would come to the bar and sit down and have a drink with us and laugh and talk. They're great people.

But this situation right here, at some point in time, we're going to start mentioning Andy as a top three, four. All time? Coach of all time. All time? Yeah. All time. All time. You look at time. All time? Yeah. All time. All time.

You look at what he did in Philly. Yeah. You look at what he's doing now. There's a chance in the next two years Andy can have 300 regular season wins. Ooh. Yes. Three tops. And how old is Andy?

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you get your podcasts. Hold on. If Pete Carroll could take his ass old ass out of there. At 74, yeah. Yeah, you right. You right. You right. And guess what, Ocho?

He got Mahomes for another decade. Yeah. At men. At men if he wanted. Right. I'm not saying he's going to be, he's going to coach Mahomes for the next decade, but I'm saying he got it if he wanted. I'm not saying he's going to coach Mahomes for the next decade,

but I'm saying he got it if he wanted. So what's the likelihood of Mahomes not winning at least 10 games? They got 17 games. I don't see a scenario where Mahomes dips under 10. I can see he's going to win somewhere between 11 and 14 games a year for the foreseeable future. Now, this notion about this notion, and see, this is why you got to capture the moment.

You believe Josh, you believe Lamar. Go keep knocking on that door and he going to get there. Oh, yeah. So if he gets there, that means, guess what? Josh and not. Right. You say Joe Burrow, you believe he go. That means Lamar and Josh is not going to get there.

Right. So at some point in time, you can only have one. And you got Mahomes. You got Lamar and Josh is not going to get there. So at some point in time, you can only have one. And you got Mahomes. You got Lamar. You got Joe Burrow. You got Josh Allen. Now, those are your four big guns. Those are the four horsemen of the AFC.

Yes, sir. Now, you got some guys that's on the peripheral. You got a Justin Herbert. I believe they'll be better. Jim Harbaugh in his first year got them to the playoffs. He's right there. Bo Nix is right there. But you got the four kings,

the four horsemen in the AFC. Mahone Boy, Lamar, Burrow, and Josh Allen. And here's the thing that you got, Ocho. At some point in time, you're not going to be able to dodge them all. You're going to have to knock one of them off in order to get to where you want to go. and then somebody knocked out Burrow and then somebody knocked out Allen and then somebody knocked out this one and somebody knocked, and you got smooth, say, uh-uh.

Right. Uh-uh. You're going to have to see one of those four horsemen. Mm-hmm. For the next decade, if you want to go, if you want to get to where you want to go, you're going to have to be one of them, Ocho. You know, it's going to be exciting.

It's going to be an exciting next 10 years. You know, obviously, I'm looking forward to my bangles getting there again. I'm looking forward to Joe Burrow. Now we do what we need to do in fixing that defense. You know what you need to do. And we, well, definitely. Hey, can you hear me? Okay. Yeah. You sure? Huh? Okay. Okay. I'm good now. Okay. Okay. No, I'm just okay okay no i'm just doing regular i'm just doing regular season wins yes he has 301 when you combine the postseason right but i'm just talking regular season win he's at 273 uh i think uh coach uh uh coach uh shula has the most regular season wins at what? 328. Hmm.

Then Coach Belichick. Oh, Coach, y'all challenge is 330, right? 323? 318. 302. Oh, yeah. Coach Belichick better hear him come back and he's going to be passing. Yeah.

It could be a situation next year and it could be at what 285 next three years within the next three years though joe he's going over 300 yeah most most definitely he's going over 300 most definitely most definitely where's belichick at he's number three at 302 um that's dope now Andy's like you know what hey

he talked to the wife and she's like hey Andy you having fun is keeping you young stay he must ride and stay as long as Belichick

had Brady right well we got we gonna have to we gonna have to we gonna have to going to have to have a conversation. Hey, he better have 400 wins. Yeah.

Yeah. Absolutely. He'll have 400 wins. It'll never be broken. Absolutely. But you know what? Also with that, you need so many things to go right. Health.

Health. Yes. On field health. Mahomes staying healthy. Yep. The pieces to that puzzle, you know, it's going to always change no matter what. It's going to always change.

But golly, boy, that 15 make everything go, boy. Jesus Christ. He's special. Another Chapman Bulls playoff heartbreak history, wide right against the Giants. Super Bowl XXV. Low out losses in three Super Bowls. The 2022 overtime thriller in Kansas City. Buffalo led with 13 seconds. They get in field goal range, kick the field goal,

and then Mahomes takes them down the field, and they don't look back. They never let Buffalo touch the ball. He hits Travis Kelsey, walk-up touchdown. Wide right, 2.0. The same team last year in Travis Kelsey, walk up, touchdown. Wide right, 2.0. The same team last year in the playoffs, Ocho,

in their building. And then you have Dalton Kincaid dropping Kansas City, a brutal run of events. They're like, bro, what's hanging over us? You know what? You're just going,

look, you're just going against that guy. How many people said the same thing about Brady? But if you go back and study Brady, for the most part, he got tripped up by guys. Now, he lost to Peyton. Now, Peyton is not a guy. Peyton beat him three times in the AFC Championship. Beat him once in Indy, beat him twice in Denver.

But if you go back and look at Nick Foles, Joe Flacco, Eli, and Tannehill, who would have ever thought, Jake, who would have ever thought those guys would be the guys. So it's like, think about it. You're thinking like, who beat Mahomes? Tom Brady. Who else got him in the playoffs? Joe Burrow.

Joe Burrow, yeah. So it's going to be, it's going to, man, I'm watching this game Brady. Who else got him in the playoffs? Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow, yeah. So, it's going to be, it's going to, it's, man, I was, I'm watching this game and it's just, you know what I'm saying, don't you? You watch a game and you, when a game lives up to what you expected it to be. Yeah. Well, actually, not only

did it live up to what we expected, it exceeded my expectations as well. It exceeded that because it went down to the wire. It went down to the wire because it went down to the wire. It went down to the wire. It went down to the wire. But all the games do though, Joe. For some reason.

Do you notice that? Yes, every last one of their games. And one possession games, I don't want none of my holes because they won like 18, 19 straight one possession games. You get them in a one possession game andession game, and now he has the ball, and he needs a field goal to beat you, or he needs a touchdown to beat you.

More times than not. Or he needs to stay on the field so you don't get the ball back. You see what he did today? It was – he had the lead. He's like, I ain't going to let y'all get the ball back. Hey, Baltimore. You know, hey, you see Lamar getting his helmet on last year? He getting ready to go back because they're about to make a stand.

Uh-uh. Andy called a play. Andy said, no, I'm not throwing it to no damn flat. Throw the ball down the field. Yeah. How many coach-quarterback combinations you think in that situation? I ain't talking about the regular season when tomorrow. I'm talking about with the finality of the

playoffs, how many quarterbacks have you ever seen put the ball up 30 yards down the field? None. But you also, you know what, that's trust. That's trust. The head coach has to have trust in the quarterback to know if the throw is not there, don't throw it. But if it is there, I trust you to be able to make that play

and not turn the ball over. And if you go back and look, look at the play that they picked up. I thought Pacheco got down a little bit out of bounds. I didn't see the replays, but I thought he tried to get the first down and tried to get down. They said he stepped out. But if you look at what they did, they brought P-Rod in. P-Rod is really the receiver bat.

Right. They crossed him. They shoot him up, break him out in the flat. Flat. Now, whoever got him got to go over the top. They got to bubble around. That's all they need.

Hey, all you got to do is make him bubble. If you make him bubble, you've done your job. Game over. Game over. At that point. Mahomes hits him.

He gets the first down, stays in bounds. At that point in time, once he got the first down, it was over. It didn't matter if he went out of bounds or not. Yeah.

But he did a great job of staying in bounds. But when point in time, once he got the first down, it was over. It didn't matter if he went out of bounds or not. But he did a great job of staying in bounds. But when you look at what Mahomes has been able to do. Now, mind you guys, I don't think people understand this. He didn't start his rookie year. He started one game. He started one game. So in seven

years, this is his seventh year of starting. This is his eighth year. Yes. In seven years of starting. This is his eighth year. Huh? Yes. In seven years of starting, AFC Championship, won Super Bowl, lost Super Bowl, lost AFC Championship, won Super Bowl, won Super Bowl, and the Super Bowl.

That's crazy. He don't know anything else but AFC Championships or Super Bowls. That's all he knows. He don't know what it's like to lose a wild card or division. That's all he knows. And so't know what it's like to lose a wild card or division. That's all he knows. And so now it's kind of like Brady. Once you get used to playing high stakes poker,

your nerves and the stomach that you have for those moments is not the same as everybody else. Sometimes you become desensitized. We say that a lot now because of what we see happening in America. We become desensitized. Desensit a lot now because of what we see happening in America. We become desensitized. Desensitized to it, yeah.

He becomes Ocho. The biggest advantage you could have over another man is his fear. That's the biggest advantage you could have. Right. They know when they see one five in a pressurized moment, it's unlike anything they've ever faced before. And because he's been

in that moment so many times. It's like normal. It's like Brady. It's like normal. Brady had been in that moment so time at a very young age. Yes, sir.

You see Brady's first year starting championship, win the Super Bowl. Next year, they don't do anything and then they go back to back. Now he's desensitizing that. He's built up a tolerance.

And you know what's funny? I think a lot of people, I think that also comes from where a lot of people complain about, oh, man, they be cheating. They be cheating for the cheese, blah, blah, blah. The fact that they win so much, the fact that they're in contention so much, the fact that Mahomes will be able to do what he's done in such a short amount of time, it's taken away from his greatness in itself when people are arresting to it. Now, again, sometimes at certain opportune times, maybe he can't do go their way, but the greatness in Mahomes needs to be not only studied,

but paid a little bit more attention to, to understand why they are where they are year in and year out. It ain't got nothing to do with no goddamn refs. Now, some people might have some gripes. There might be certain situations that might go in their favor. But that goddamn 15-0, man, he's special, man. The difference between what you got to do with him and Brady and Joe is that a lot of teams have great quarterbacks and they win a lot of regular season games. But when they get to moments like this, that's what made Joe cool.

That's what made Montana that. He's down, and he needs to go 92 yards and win, and he does that. Jerry's playing great, and then they won 200-J at X-Land, and he hit John Taylor on the backside. But you got to get a little break. Lewis Billings has an interception, and then they won two on the jet egg slam, and he hit John Taylor on the backside. Yeah. But you got to get a little break. Louis Billings has an interception, and he drops it. Mm-hmm.

Maybe we don't look at Joe in the same. Yeah. Joe won four Super Bowls, and he never threw an interception on the Super Bowl. Mm-hmm. So when you look at it, Ocho, it's one thing to have a great quarterback and win a lot of games. Yes, sir. It's another thing to have a quarterback who win win a lot of games. Yes, sir. It's another thing to have a quarterback who win games

and when they get to moments like this, this is what separates him and Brady and Joe. Mm-hmm. 17. He's only like, hold on. One, two, three. He's only like, he's 7-13-3. 3-17-3, yeah.

And 20 playoff starts with three Super Bowls. And you know what's funny? When you say them numbers right, we ain't talking about no goddamn video game. We talking about real life. We talking about the best of the best. We talking about the one percenters. The best of the best, 17 and 3. You've been to the AFC Championship seven years in a row.

There are 32 other teams. This man is about to go to his ocho. Do you realize this man is about to be in his fifth Super Bowl in seven years of starting? Can I tell you something, Unk? Can I tell you something? If you play video games,

I'm just giving you for context. If you played Madden, and let's say you were really good, you were really good and you were competing against some of the best players in the world in the game of Madden, you couldn't replicate what Mahomes is doing. No, you couldn't replicate it. Even as one of the best gamers in the world, it might be a horrible analogy, but there's some people in the chat that might understand what I mean. Yes. To how good Mahomes is and what he's doing and how it's unreal. You're not supposed to be able to do what you do.

And you know what's funny? People are going to look at this and say, well, the Chiefs are able to do it all the time and think it's normal. That ain't easy. They think it's normal. They think it's supposed to happen like this. No. Bad please. You know what? supposed to happen like this. No.

Bad please. You know what? When you play this game, as long as you and I have, and I've had a little success, you realize like, damn, I was better cheating compared to them.

Bro, I know you happy Mahomes won. Oh, that's my dog. Titus. Come on. What up, twin? Bro, I shift you in the room.

How did you get out of the room? That's what I want to know. What up, twin? Who you rooting for? You want to be the Cleveland Browns mascot? They don't win. But they throw plenty of dog bones. I don't want no dog bones. I eat farmer's dog.

I eat nutritious food. They got peas. They got chicken, beef. Yes, turkey. Man, this joke is here. Man, I mean, guys, I mean. Oh, oh, hey. Down, hey. down, down.

Chad, I don't know. I don't really, I don't think you guys really, really understand what you're witnessing. Think about that. I want you to think, I want you to think about it as great as brady was think about grady brady his first because when brady won his first three there was a decade plus before he ever went back yeah he's won three and he's already back it's crazy do y'all do y'all understand guys get, get an appreciation. Don't be talking to – and look, because what you do, if you keep talking about refs, you'll undervalue and you won't be appreciative of what you're witnessing.

Yeah, from him. You watch football for years. Right. I played with Joe and Dan and John and Manning and Brady and all the greats, a lot of the greats that made that all-century team. Yeah. I played in the era with them. Dan Marino, John Elway, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Grant Favre, Joe Montana.

That's six of the ten guys that made that team. I played in the era in which they played and saw them. What this kid is doing, y'all don't appreciate it because you're so caught up in talking about they're getting... No, no. You can't get enough calls in order to get to five Super Bowls in seven years. Can't. Because if you could, why didn't anybody else do it?

Yeah. Yeah. If all it was were calls, why haven't anyone else ever done what he's doing? And, of course, you know what people counter would be, well, the calls are in their favor because it's the chiefs. Well, the call they're in their favor because, Oh,

the NFL wants, Oh, it's scripted. They want the chiefs to always go. Listen, I don't, I don't think people, you can't under undermine on how undermine that.

Not only the success of the chiefs, but the brilliant mind that is Andy Reed. Yes. And the play of goddamn 15 in Patrick Mahomes. You know? Even I sometimes, even I sometimes,

I question some of the calls. I just do. Because at times, they come in, they come, hey, what up, what up, what up, Teddy? They come at the opportune times

and for some reason at times, they're in favor of the Chiefs. You know, even I am, I am critical of that at times. And I've been wrong, especially when I broke it down statistically and look at the stats, you know, where the refs aren't in favor of the Chiefs because they're at the bottom of the goddamn league when it comes to getting calls. But you know what, Ocho?

You know why it looks like that? Because at the most opportune time when somebody's beat, then what do they teach you to do? Hold it. Grab it. Just don't give up a touchdown. Okay. I ain't going to give you no touchdown.

I'm going to make you earn it. Now, you might fumble, ball bite, get tipped, and throw an interception. Right. You make it seem like they're throwing. They're not. Hey, ain't nobody getting no holding calls when they're down 15. It's a crucial situation. And the defense understand the gravity of the moment.

And so in order for me to make sure they don't score, I've got to hold. I've got to pass an affair. That's what it is. But guys, y'all got to appreciate this because you might not see it again. And we thought what we saw with Brady, especially his first years. But think about it. After 2005, he didn't go back again until 2013, 2014.

So there was a decade. Mahomes has been in the league seven years, and he's in his fifth Super Bowl. Do y'all really understand how, think about, there's only one other guy that's never been in that many Super Bowls, and that's Tom. In 23 years,

he's been in five and seven. That's crazy. That's crazy. Do you understand how hard that is? That's video. That's video. That's video game type stuff.

And I don't... It's video game type stuff and I don't even think you can replicate it in a video game. No. i don't it's video game type stuff and i don't even think you can replicate it in a video game no you can't so uh this is what josh said to be the champs you got to beat the champs and we didn't do that tonight um ocho yeah shaz going crazy right now we've got 84 000 we're gonna try to get to 90 we're gonna try to try to get to 100. So tell your friends. Through the first seven seasons as a starter, Tom Brady was 14-3. Patrick Mahomes is 17-3.

AFC titles, Mahomes, 5. Brady, 4. Super Bowls, 3. Brady, 3. MVPs in the Super Bowl, Mahomes, three. Brady, three. MVPs in the Super Bowl. Mahomes, three. Brady, two. MVPs in the regular season, two for Mahomes, zero for Brady.

So at the present, where they are now is really, and you go look at the touchdowns that Mahomes has thrown versus Brady in the, it's unbelievable. I just, I'm glad I got an opportunity to see, I'm glad I got to see Brady because I didn't think anybody could even come close, but Lord, have mercy.

This kid, this kid might even surpass it, and for us to even have a conversation about it tells you, speaks to how great he was. Oh yeah. Ocho, but there was another game, so the team pass it. And for us to even have a conversation about it speaks to how great he was. Ocho, but there was another game. So the team that the Kansas City Chiefs will face in the Super Bowl are the Philadelphia Eagles.

And they crushed the Washington Commanders 55-23 setting a new record for the most points scored in an NFC Championship game. It's the fifth time the Eagles have made the Super Bowl and their second appearance in the last three years. Yeah. Their only triumph came in 2017.

Saquon. Eight. 118 rush yards and three touchdowns. Let me tell you something, right? Let me tell you how I knew Saquon in business. When they ran the ball on the first drive. Yeah. And the safety came down.

Hold on. The backer moved out the A-gap or something. I'm like, how you getting washed? How you getting washed like that? Saquon bounces outside. Then the safety coming downhill. He arm tackling. He arm tackling.

He ran. I'm like. Ran through that. What are you doing? He ran right through that, went and scored, and his lineman came to celebrate, and he looked at his lineman and said,

nah, we ain't doing none of that. Ain't none of that. Just shake my hand and went to the sideline. I said, man, you know what? Boy, the game over. The game is over. The game is over based on he really meant business about

he really meant business today I'm coming here with one sole purpose I'm finna run the ball straight down 8th hole and he set the tone right off jump

now the commanders has him opportunities to play some good ball but um you four turnovers they scored on got points on all of them. All of them.

You can't win like that. You can't win like that. You just can't. There's nothing you can do. Jaden Daniels, as good as he's been all season long. Phenomenal player. He's been great. In a game like that, in order to have a chance,

you can't turn the ball over. Special teams, it hurts you. Yeah, because they scored a touchdown, and guess what? They kick it off to you, and you give it right back to them, and they get another one. Another one, back to back. So that means not only that, it puts the pressure and it puts the onus on the offense and Jane Dams.

Now you've got to play perfect, damn near perfect football. You've got to play damn near perfect football, and it makes it impossible for you to do so. You can't beat yourself. No. You can't beat yourself. That's exactly what the commanders did.

They beat themselves. Yeah. I mean, careless turnout means you get the ball punched out. You run into the back of the guy and the ball comes out

and, you know, Eckler gets the ball. He gets up and boom. Yeah. Punches it out. He gets it punched out. And then Jaden threw a pick late in the ballgame in the end zone. Michael made a great intercept.

Yeah. What's his name, Ojo? The DB? Oh, Mitchell. Keon. Keon. Yeah. He makes a great interception on that play.

But when you turn the ball over against a team like this in their building and they're firing pretty much on all cylinders because you look at Jalen Hurts, 20 of 26, 246 a touchdown, then put the ball in harm's way. They ran the ball 36 times for 229. You see the difference? You know what? You see the difference? Yeah. Hey, Baltimore. Hey, Baltimore.

At some point in time, Todd Monken, y'all gonna learn y'all lesson. You see what they do? Yeah. You see what they do? Even when he get hit in the backfield. You see what they do? Keep running it. You know what else I like, though, Unc? You know what I like about today?

I like the fact that they ran the ball, right? Yeah. And even I've been arguing about, you know, the passing game. Jalen Hurst, get the ball to A.J. Brown, you know? Just give him a shot, even when you see one-on-one. You know, anticipate. If you see one-on-one and you see the safety in the middle of the field, you don't have to hold the ball away from him to get open.

Even if he's even, that's A.J. Brown. You trust him. You know, you throw the ball up to him. That ain't 50-50 with young Bull. That ain't 50-50 with him. That's 70-20. He coming down with that nine times out of ten. Nine times out of ten.

So the first time there was a blitz that came, and he held the ball waiting to see if he was going to beat Lattimore. It didn't work. They punted the ball. They got the ball back. The very next series going to beat Lattimore. It didn't work. They punted the ball. They got the ball back. The very next series, it's fourth and five. Oh, fourth down. I saw the play.

Fourth and five. That might have been Jalen's best throw. That might have been one of his best throws of the year, Ocho. He can't throw it any better. Perfect. In the bucket. There you go. You give somebody like that, you give somebody like that a chance.

Just give him a chance. Put the ball in the vicinity. Put it in the area. He's going to come down with it nine times out of ten. One of them Santa Claus throws, he dropped it down the chimney. Yes, sir. Other than that, the game was brilliant. It was brilliant on both sides of the ball.

Special teams. Jalen played well. Saquon did what Saquon was going to do. He set the goddamn tone at the beginning of the game. He set the goddamn tone at the beginning of the game. Absolutely. Set the tone at the beginning of the game. I knew what time it was. And because he did that, now I'm throwing a one-on-one coverage

because I got to get down. I can't guard this guy with a light box. You got to come down in the box. You got no choice. I can't. I can't stop it. I got a question for you. I got a question for you.

Listen, Spags loves to play 2-shell. Spags rarely has somebody down in the box. So what's going to happen? Are we going to trust my front four to get home? You're going to have to. Or you take... I don't think they have... They don't have any qualms with putting McDuffie on Brown

and then playing coverage everywhere else. They won't bat a knot. Okay, I see coverage everywhere else. They won't bat a night. Okay, I see what you mean. They won't bat a night with that matchup. I see what you mean. Right, right, right, right, right. But the thing is that the tight ends can give Kansas City problems, and they got a good one in Goddard.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Now, Cal Cotera, he's more of a blocker, but he can make some plays. Right. He can. They don't throw him the ball much. He's more of a blocker. The receiver guy is Dallas Goddard. Mm-hmm. but he can make some plays. He can. They don't throw him the ball much. He's more of a blocker. The receiver guy is Dallas Goddard.

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Huh? They'll run you off the field. I'm talking about on third downs, though. Trey Burton, okay. I mean, no. You can't play them nickel because they'll run you off the field, Ocho. They ain't got no problem running the football now. See, sometimes teams get – well, I got a quarterback I'm paying $50 million.

I need to throw. I need to show you how valuable he is. Right, right. That's not what the Eagles do. The Eagles ran the ball 36 times today. Ugh. 36 for 229. I would love to see the Chiefs.

I don't know how the Chiefs stack up against the run. I would love to see those numbers. They put you in a situation, Ocho, where you really can't run the football because you're playing catch-up. So that's their run defense, is to try to make you catch-up. Right.

Now, the question is, because Philly likes to play two shell. Yeah. Because they believe their front four and their front, Zach Braun is playing out of his mind. He's a real deal. He playing out of his mind. A real deal. And that front four that they got, led by Jalen.

Mm-hmm. Matter of fact, speaking of Braun, you know what? When you got Jalen Carter and you got, what's your young bull name? Oh, Nolan Smith? No, number 90. Number 90, you got them two boys. Oh, Jordan Davis. Jordan Davis.

You got them two young bulls in front of you? Man, listen. Them things part to see like Moses. If you got any bit of talent at that middle back, Man, the show is yours. Yeah. They're real. They're formidable. Say,

if St. Croix was like, hold on. Hey, Nick. When y'all start running that tush-push, man, let me get these toes. Yeah. I mean, what you call them? He's got two of his touchdowns. St. Cro. I mean, what you call them? Hurts got three of them, got two of his touchdowns. Sanquan's supposed to have five, too.

Five touchdowns the other day. Five. That's what I be like. I be trying to get history. Hey, come on, man. Hey, man, get out of that two-inch push. You know what? Stuff like that, stuff like that, too.

I'm not for going against coaches' wishes. Yeah. But in times like that, I wish Jalen had a little bit more power or call of the offense. Like, you know how Peyton Manning would be? They'll sit him on the side and he'll say, no, I'm not doing that, and he'll do his own thing. And it always worked. I wish Jalen would do that.

So in situations like that where you know Saquon has the opportunity to make history, I would change the play to some type of dive or just something direct where he can get those touchdowns as opposed to the close push. Because on one of that run, man, I saw him. I was like, oh, man, Saquon, you're going to regret going down into one yard line. They're about to get his ball to Hurts,

and he's about to pile with the way the end zone. Ocho, with his ninth rush TD, Hurts passed Steve Young for the most all-time rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in NFL history. That's live. After three straight encroachment penalties on Washington trying to stop the tush push, guess what happened? The official said, if you continue this, we can award points. Because as Ocho, what you going to do, put the ball in the end zone?

The official said, yep, you jump off sides one more time. That's exactly what we're going to do. We're going to put the ball in the end zone. Because you're only going a half a yard, Ocho. They're going to get it. Listen, they're going to get it every time. They stopped them once, and it felt good. Because I think it was Lo Vu that went over the top.

Yeah. Kind of like what they did with Josh Allen. Josh Allen, yeah. They went over the top and stopped it. It's like, okay. And that was a rule I didn't even know. I didn't even know it was a rule, that they could award points. I've never heard of that either.

I ain't never heard of it either. Listen, I haven't been that deep in the rule book, and I haven't seen that situation happen ever before. But you look at the – this was almost a perfect storm for the Eagles. Yeah. Jalen Hurts, extremely efficient, 20 of 26, 246, one touchdowns, no turnovers. Saquon, 15 rushes, 118 yards, three touchdowns, long of 60. Will Shipley comes in, has a 57-yard to the house, four for 77.

Jalen Hurts, 10 of 16. He had a nine-yard run, but he did a great job. His thing is protecting football. Yeah, yeah. They can't. Washington, the commanders, you see the difference, commanders? Now, last week, you guys got the turnovers.

Y'all dropped 45. This week, y'all give up the four turnovers. You get 55 dropped on you. Yeah. Every time. There's a direct correlation. The more you turn it over, you decrease your chances of winning, and you increase your opponent's chances

of winning. Look at all the teams in the playoffs. Look at all the teams in the playoffs that turned the ball over. They're going home. Everybody going home. The proof is in the pudding. It is. The proof is in the pudding. I got a question for you. I don't mean to put you on

the spot like this. Who I'm going with right now? Yeah, I want to know who you're going with. Man. Yeah, I know it's tough. It's tough. Chad, who you going with, Chad? I know we got a lot of

Eagles fans in there. I thought from about, Ocho, to be honest, I thought from about week eight or nine, I thought the Eagles were the best, were playing the best football.

They were the best team. And I said it and I kept repeating it I thought the Eagles were the best, were playing the best football. They were the best team. And I said it, and I kept repeating it. If the Eagles face the Lions, I'm taking the Eagles. Right. Because of their defense. And Jerry Goff, sometimes he turns the ball over. Yeah. You don't know which one you're getting.

You don't know what golf you're getting. And you turn the ball over, and it's going to be the same thing. If you go back and look at it, the game that the Philly played a couple of years ago against the Eagles, I mean, against the Chiefs, it was that turnover, that scoop and score. Yeah. That Hurts, you know, got the ball in Kansas City, got their footing and they go on and win the ball game. They come out the second half and dominate, and the next thing you know, they're winning their second, and they come back last year, and they beat the 49ers for their third. But when you 20 of 28, excuse me, I said 20 of 26, excuse me,

20 of 28, 246, and you get 36 attempts for 229, you're extremely balanced. Because think about it. You had damn near many. Because when you take the sack yards, Ocho, they had 230 yards passing. They had 220 yards rushing. They had 28 pass attempts. They had 36 rush attempts.

How many rush attempts did Baltimore have last week? Because you're talking about a team that can run the ball just as good. Yeah. You're talking about a team that can run the ball just as good. Yeah. Lamar Jackson can throw the ball just as good. Mm-hmm. Tight ends just as good.

Yeah. Yeah. I think the Eagles' defense is a little better. That's me personally. How many pass attempts? They had 30. How many rush attempts did what you call them have? No, how many did Derrick Henry?

16. For 80 yards. He. 16. For 80 yards. He had 16. He averaged five yards a carry. You want to give him 16 or 10? He should have had

30 by himself. Mm-hmm. I think, if I'm not mistaken, I forgot what quarter that was. They went away from the run.

Second. Second, yeah, they went away from the run. But they came out in the third quarter and got back on it. And went straight

down the field and scored. Yeah third quarter and got back on it. And went straight down the field and scored. Yeah, this game got a hand early. 14-3 the first quarter and then they get 12, then they get 13 a second. So you're going

into half, Ocho, you're down 27-15. You're like, okay, we get a play, we right back in the game. Right. Turn the ball over, boom. And then got our score 21-0 in the fourth. Yeah.

Is it right? Eagles are at home. They're feeling good. They got them turnovers, and they're just like, you know what? Let's go ahead and step on the gas. Let's go ahead and just end this thing. We don't need to have any further discussions about what could possibly happen or why you had the momentum.

And that's what you do. You see what happens when you get the momentum, Ocho? You step on the gas. Go ahead and end the thing. Listen, and don't get conservative. Most of the time, what we tend to see is we see the play call and become conservative, trying to make sure we don't want to lose the game

and allows the other team to get back in the game. And it causes the game to be closer than it should be or closer than it needs to be. You know, but you kind of slick, too. Now, you said a whole lot. You said a whole lot of nothing. It didn't answer that question that I asked you. I said, we got a whole time. We don't got to pick right now.

Don't you think about how many shows we got? We got Monday. We got Thursday. What? Wednesday. What you scared of? But listen, we got we got all them day. Listen, we got all because got Monday. We got Thursday. Wednesday. What you scared of? But listen, we got all them days.

Listen, we got all them shows. Because we want people to come watch. If we already done picked, why they gonna watch? I wonder who else gonna pick. Hold on, hold on. They gonna watch anyway.

They gonna watch anyway. No, we wanna make sure they watch because I'll give them that Thursday at the live show. Okay, okay. Oh, you gonna wait

till we get to New Orleans? Yeah. And plus, we got DraftKings. We got DraftKings later in the show. We got something coming. Okay, okay. Oh, you're going to wait until we get to New Orleans? Yeah. And plus, we got DraftKings. We got DraftKings later in the show. We got something coming. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I got it. Chad, who y'all got?

Chad, who y'all got? We just want it. If we get a type of game that we got against the Chiefs and Buffalo, we'll take that. If we get a game like we got last year or the year before with the Eagles, I'll take that. I just don't want no 55-23. I don't want no blowouts.

No, no. And so hopefully that's a thing of the past. Honestly, based on the two teams that we do have going into the Super Bowl, we're not going to get no blowout game like that because the turnover that the Commanders had, you're not going to get that from either side of the ball. Mahomes ain't turning the ball over like that. Jalen Hurts, they're not even going to allow, they're not even going to put Jalen Hurts in a position where he can make those kind of turnovers

and make those plays. Everything is going to be efficient. How do you make sure things are efficient for the Eagles and the Eagles have their best chance and opportunity to host that goddamn Lombardi trophy? Give that motherfucking ball to 26. Yes. Give it to 26. What is the answer that motherfucking ball to 26? Yes. Give it to 26?

What is the answer that they're going to have for that? What's the answer? All I need you to do, all I need y'all to do is man on man at the point of attack, hold your man for one second until he goes by. Once

Saquon gets to the second level, man, listen, man, two things gonna happen. Either he gonna make the tackle or he gonna hit his head off the goalpost. Yeah. That's it. I'm, um... I'm just interested to see

how they're going to, the defense, what Spaggs is gonna employ. Right. To try to slow down Saquon. Because for me, I know what Saquon could do. Yeah. Hurts, I'm going to make Hurts beat me.

They're going to have to beat me throwing the football. I'm going to try to push him out of the pocket. I don't want him to get comfortable throwing from the pocket. I want to get him off rhythm. I'm going to make him make decisions.

I'm going to make him, he's going to have to make the right decisions. That's the way I'm, I know what Saquon can do. I've seen his body of work this year. He's damn near 2,500 yards. I've seen it. I know what he can do.

So I don't need to get to the Super Bowl and say, oh, prove it. Prove it to me again. Right. In the Super Bowl, hell, he might go for 200. Yeah. I don't want that to happen, Ocho. I don't. So if Hurts throws the ball for, he's efficient like he is,

he has a couple of touchdowns because I'm going to neutralize. The thing is you got to neutralize Saquon's big runs. It's the big. If you notice, Ocho, it's a 60-yarder. It's a 70-yarder. Sometimes he's getting multiple big runs. You've got to neutralize that. Yeah.

So if he has 25 carries, 30 carries, and he has 120 yards, and his longest run is 10 yards, you live with that. Right. You ain't got no choice. Ocho, I can't give him a 78. I can't give him a 66 or a 60. I can't. Because now that team gets invigorated.

The defense, everybody's flying around special teams. Yeah. I'm not going to let that happen on Joe. And the funny thing about it, the funny thing about it is once Saquon gets going, once he gets going, it opens up every fucking place. Absolutely. It opens up everything else. The playbook looks like Disneyland if you're running the ball and doing what you want to do.

Well, hey, when he's running the ball, now Kellen Moore's play sheet looks like a Cheesecake Factory menu. You know, they got that big old menu and they got about 7,000 pages. 7,made pages. Cell-made pages. They got 1,500 different cheesecakes, and they got 1,700 different chicken dishes, and another 300 pasta dishes. That's what the playbook looked like when Saquon is running the football because I can call whatever I want. Yeah. And I don't believe they can stop it.

Mm-hmm. Now you just go, Ocho, you just call and stuff. Call, what? We only practiced that play one time. Right. Call it. I call it. It's going to work.

It's going to work. Ocho, let's take a listen to what Jayden Daniels had to say after the game. Obviously, man, it's ****, man. It's just ****. Excuse my language. But just I couldn't be prouder of the guys in the locker room. You know, just year one, everybody not really knowing each other. Rookies, the vets did a tremendous job of, you know, bringing us in and helping us out.

And we all just meshed. And, you know, we got to this point. But at the end of the day, man, you know, we lost in and helping us out. And, you know, we all just meshed. And, you know, we got to this point. But at the end of the day, man, you know, we lost. It's ****. But we'll move on from this. Well, Jaden Daniels, boy, you ain't got nothing to feel bad about, boy. Because your expectations, the media, you know, those on the outside

this is not what they're expecting they're not expecting for you to be in the NFC championship after how many years? 30 something 30 something they hadn't been in since what? uh 91 mind you this is your first year as a rookie

you know this is your first year as a rookie you ain't got nothing to hang your head about boy stop playing boy i know y'all lost a date but you good you gonna be good in the nfc you are one of the quarterbacks that nobody gonna have to worry about you in the same conversation you in the same boat with burl josh allen mahomes and lamar jackson every year y'all gonna be in contention as long as you healthy. And they continue because y'all got a two-year window. Jaden, I know you're going to see this too.

You're going to see this. Y'all got a two-year window until it's time to get that bag where they can build pieces around you. And every year, it's going to be you, Jalen Hurts. Who else we got in the NFC that's like that? That's going to be like. Dang, I thought you were going to say got in the NFC that's like that? That's going to be like... Dang, I thought you were going to say somebody in the NFC East. Nobody.

Okay, I'm going to leave it at that. I mean, we talked about... The 49ers. The 49ers. And Brock Purdy. Green Bay. Jordan Love. Oh, so there's more quarterbacks in the NFC, though.

Okay. No, no, no. Well, they're about... No, no, no. Listen, it's a four-headed muscle in the NFC. But, hey, you still got though. Okay. No, no, no. Well, they're about, no, no, no. It's only, listen, it's a four-headed muscle in the AFC. But hey, you still got C.J. Stroud.

We didn't put C.J. Stroud because we think he a little low. Justin Herbert, a little low. Oh my God. So no, they low.

We just, they just got those big, big, big game runners over in the AFC. the big boys, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but listen,

if you're a Commanders fan, you have to be feeling good. Oh, you're feeling great. The fact that you were able to get to this point and understand that you got to this point because of the quarterback play and everything else around him, defensively, they played well, they're going to be all right. And you still got Stafford over there in the NFC, too. Huh?

Matthew Stafford. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I saw a little rumors about a trade for Staff, huh? Where he going? Who going to trade for him? I don't know. I saw him and Cooper Cupp. Not together, but I'm just saying.

Yeah. They're making moves. I mean, he's going to want money. I mean, he's going to want 50. Yeah. Are you worthy of it? Yes. Are you worthy of it? Yeah. See, I mean. I think they're going to want 50. Yeah. He worthy of it? Yes. He worthy of it?

Yeah. See, I mean, I'm happy. Look. I'm happy. I'm happy. I'm happy for the Commanders. I'm not even a Commanders fan, you know? I'm a fan of the game of football.

But what I was able to witness Jaden Daniels do this year, the damn fans in D.C., they got to be happy. You know, he should be happy. Oh, yeah, for sure. They got a lot to be excited about in the upcoming years. For the next decade. There ain't no guarantee. Now, I believe they got the right pieces in place as far as in the front office, don't you, to make the moves to put around this team.

That's what you need. You probably go, hey, I like Zach Ertz. Probably going to need a running back. I like Brian Robinson, but I need another piece. Right. I like the wide receivers.

Defensive. I like Lou Vu. I mean, they got, what's it called? I don't think Deron Payne played today. Allen played, but I don't think Deron Payne played today. I think he was hurt. He didn't play. Yeah.

They're going to be all right. They're going to be all right. They're going to be all right. Goddamn Commanders, man. I salute y'all, man. Jay Daniels, I love you. Mama Daniels, you did a hell of a job, sis. You hear me?

Now, I know you said he can't have no girl, but he deserves to celebrate. Now, go ahead and let him date somebody. Mm-mm. Go ahead and... That's when they catch you slipping. That's when they catch... Don't celebrate, nah. Hey, listen. Uh-uh. They catch you slipping. That's when they catch you. Don't celebrate. Nah. They catch you slipping, Jaden.

You got to understand that Mama Dan is out. You got to let him celebrate. Let him have a little fun now. He's had a phenomenal year. He got the entire city on his back. He's exceeded expectations as a rookie coming in. Almost made the Super Bowl, played in the NFC Championship.

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