Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Mahomes vs Burrow, Best QB of the 2020 draft, Should Miami keep Tua?

Episode Date: February 20, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the online discourse around the NFL’s star quarterbacks and discuss what is the correct appraisal for these men under center. 0:00 Introduction04:30 Internet surprised by Mahomes and Burrow ages12:30 What a Super Bowl would mean for Lamar Jackson19:30 Kai Cenat not thrilled with Unc’ comments about his height39:30 QB class of 202048:00 Should Dolphins draft Penix Jr and move on from Tua?56:45 Micah Parsons admits the Cowboys have a “culture problem”01:00:30 Ocho suggests taking half a viagra pill before a game #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I like that. Hey. Well, we famous, bro. We doing it big, Ocho. We doing it big. And it's only going to get better, Ocho. Remember, we used to have no bro. We doing it big, Ocho. We doing it big. And it's only going to get better, Ocho. Remember, we used to have no graphics. We didn't have nothing.

No bells, no whistles. Just you and I with cameras talking. Listen, we got the bells and the whistles now. Yeah, yeah, we doing big things. Check this out, Ocho. The internet loses it after discovering Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow ages. Patrick Mahomes is 28 years of age. He's born September 17th, 1995.

He's going to turn 29 in September. Joe Burrow is 27 years of age. He's born December 10th, 1996. People are like, hold on, wait a minute. Joe Burrow is only nine months younger than Patrick Mahomes? Yeah. And the internet lost it because they thought there were a greater discrepancy in their ages considering how much Patrick Mahomes has accomplished.

Patrick Mahomes is a six-time Pro Bowler, a two-time first-team All-Pro. He's a three-time Super Bowller, a two-time first-team All-Pro. He's a three-time Super Bowl champ, a two-time league MVP, and he's a three-time Super Bowl champ. Right. Excuse me. A three-time Super Bowl MVP, along with three Super Bowl wins and two regular season MVP. Joe Burrow is a one-time Pro Bowl player.

Right. And he's been to a Super Bowl as well. Yes. He's won an AFC championship as well we don't even count that because if we were to put that with Patrick Mahomes he'd have four of those we're not going to discredit

the greatest quarterback that's ever played for the Cincinnati Bengals in Joe Burrow wait let me finish when we talk about Joe Burrow's accolades let's name all of them until he's finished playing at 50 years old I mean, we understand. It might take him that long to catch

Mahone, boy. It ain't gonna take him that long. It's not going to take him that long because what we're doing over there in Cincinnati is something special. I love what Patrick Mahone has done for that organization. But Joe Burrow, you got to remember, when Joe Burrow got drafted,

Joe Burrow was drafted to a team that was 2-14 the year before he got there in a short amount of time barring injury, Joe Burrow had us in the playoffs and in the Super Bowl game now, when we get a healthy Joe Burrow this

year, I want you to understand who's going to run the AFC not only the North, but the AFC in general. I think people have this misconception based on what Patrick Mahomes has done, which is great. He's done it in a very short amount of time.

We're arguably one of the greatest coaches to ever coach on his side in Kansas City. What Joe Burrow has done. Can I ask you a question? Yes, sir. Did you think Andy Reid was one of the greatest coaches ever coached when he had Donald McNabb when he was in Philly?

He was still one of the greatest coaches ever, even with them. He just couldn't go over the hump. Come on, don't do that. Don't say Andy Reid was not one of the greatest coaches of all time just because he hadn't won a Super Bowl. I know that's not what we're going to do. That's what we do. I know that's not what we're going to do. No, no, that's what we do.

You can be great, but not one of the greatest of all time with no championship. Don't do that, Ochoa. Name, name. Listen, there's only a few in that class that are great

that have never won a Super Bowl. Okay, so... Kyle Shanahan, Andy Reid. Let's keep going. No, you said he's one of the greatest of all time. So are you putting him in front of Paul Brown? Are you putting him in front of Lombardi?

Prior to Kansas City. So Paul Brown, we got Vince Lombardi, Coach Lombardi, Coach Landry, Coach Shula, Coach Walsh, Coach Belichick. So are we putting him in there with those guys? So let me ask you a question Barry Sanders is not one of the greatest running backs of all time? Is Dan Marino not one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time? Listen, Ocho

Is that what we're doing? We're going to make the case that you have to win the Super Bowl In order to be one of the greatest of all time Is that what we're saying? Is Calvin Johnson not one of the greatest receivers? Randy Moss, tear on. Same case. Do we say they're the greatest

EST? That's what I said. One of the greatest coaches. I specifically said that. But you believe that's what he was prior to him being in Kansas City winning? Right. What he did in Philly, always being in contention, just never being able to get over the hump.

That's all. But he's still one of the greatest now. Come on. Don't do him like that. Don't do Andy like that. What do you think? I love to hear your opinion on it because you have more accolades than I do, so I respect your opinion. I just think we look at it differently. I thought Andy was

a great coach, but one of the greatest. I mean, because I don't think we didn't put Marv Levy in that category. And Marv Levy went to four straight Super Bowls. And lost all four. Look at Coach Reeves. Coach Reeves took two different

teams to the Super Bowl. Three in Denver, one in Atlanta. And he still ain't in the Hall of Fame. So I just look at it like I don't think we would look at Andy. I think we look at Andy totally different now. Right. Not saying that he wasn't good because you're right. He

had him in contention every year. Went to the NFC Championship five times. If I'm not mistaken, got over the hump once. But we look at him totally different now, Coach O. Once he got to kansas city it's something it's something about as a coach getting that one once you get that one yeah everything it puts you in a different stratosphere and that's that's why that's the importance of having a

quarterback and you look what joe has been able to do for the for the bangles organization for the fans of that city come Come hell or high water, as I always say, every year, we know that we're going to be in contention. That feeling like Patriots fans always had, knowing Brady, knowing 12 was always going to be there. I have, the city has, that organization has that same feeling when it comes to Joe Burrow. We know as long as he's at the helm and healthy, we have a chance. We have a chance every year. But you do realize like Lamar Jackson is younger than Joe Burrow

and he has three Pro Bowls, two first team All-Pro and two MVPs. I mean, listen, we take those injuries away and Joe would have those same. You can't. That's what that seems to be. I know you can't. I'm just speaking on Joe's greatness when he is healthy. What if we take those injuries away from Lamar? Because the previous two years, Lam when he is healthy. What if we take those injuries away from Lamar?

Because the previous two years, Lamar was injured. So what if we take those injuries away from him? Right. I mean, you're right. I'm just saying in general, you know what you get with a healthy Joe. That's all. That's all I'm saying.

But when is he going to stay healthy consistently? First year, he was out. Second year, go to the thing. Next year, out. Right. This year, out. Right. We going to get him right? This is our year. This is our year right here. Matter of fact, I'm going to tell you. Next year, out. Right. This year, out. Right. We going to get them right.

This is our year. This is our year right here. Matter of fact, I'm going to tell you why it's our year. Tell me one thing. Where's the Super Bowl this year? The New Orleans. Right. It's in New Orleans.

Where did Joe Burrow and Chase go to college? There are a lot of people. Oh. Yeah. Where they went to college? They went to LSU. Yeah. Now, you don't see the story.

You don't see the perfect NFL story ending. No, because they played at Baton Rouge. Baton Rouge is not New Orleans. You know what I'm trying to say. I'm just saying the fact that just being in the boot, just being in the boot, just being back home in your backyard, playing Super Bowl, great story ending.

Bengals finally win the Super Bowl after a horrible know, a horrible call on a fourth and one that wasn't a pass interference. We finally get our ring. I'm getting me a ring. Hold on. Who had a horrible call? On that fourth and one? When? On Logan Wilson on

on, um, god damn it. Logan Wilson on Cooper Cup. Y'all was holding. That wasn't no holding. That wasn't holding? That wasn't holding? Stop playing. That was our Super Bowl. They took that from us.

They took that from us. Oh, Joe, see, you know, you're starting to get like the fans. You don't want them to call late in the ballgame. You win it. You don't want them to call. That made that call. The ref, there's no way you should have called that call. You got to let them play football, baby.

Let them play football. Hold on. But you ain't have no problem with their hell the previous year when they held Chase in Kansas City. They got that first down. You ain't say nothing about that. You should have made that call. I ain't say nothing about that one.

Man, but it's unbelievable. I mean, when you look at, I and lamar lamar has tremendous accolades yeah i mean lamar jackson is six years i think six years in and he's a three-time pro bowl or two-time first team all pro and a two-time league mvp the only i mean you get i mean you get a couple of more you get a couple he just needs that one super bowl yeah lamar needs that one soup bowl on his resume it's a wrap that one Super Bowl on his resume. He gets that one Super Bowl on his resume, Ocho. Now we have a totally different discussion.

And he becomes a made man. There's something, look, and I go back and forth, but the Super Bowl carries more weight for a quarterback than an MVP. Right.

Because so few guys, so few guys have actually won that award. Right, and it's very difficult to win. Yeah, man. It's very difficult to get there. You're talking to somebody that's really never been. I'm really not counting that season, obviously, being in New England

because I wasn't really a contributor. I just happened to be a part of the goddamn team. You know what I felt like? I felt like Rudy. Remember the movie Rudy? Yeah, I do. That's what I was with really a contributor. I just happened to be a part of the goddamn team. You know what I felt like? I felt like Rudy. Remember the movie Rudy? Yeah, I do. That's what I was with the Patriots. I was motherfucking Rudy.

But it's so difficult to get there. But the fact that Lamar is so special, he's one of those special individuals, and he's gotten so good at his craft and showing more than just what y'all like to consider a running back. He's proven himself as a passer. So as he continues to get better and better and his decision making gets better, his ability to process information and read the defenses and doing all the things that a quarterback has to do. The better the chances are that the Ravens are going to get to get to Enrique Subo.

But they got to come through Cincinnati. They got to come through Cincinnati if they're going to get to Enrique Subo, but they got to come through Cincinnati. They got to come through Cincinnati if they're going to do it. I just think the thing sometimes, sometimes quarterbacks, and I feel this and I could be totally wrong, but I think sometimes Lamar goes out to try to prove people I can do it.

Instead of winning the game and you prove it. Oh, so you just said in the AFC Championship game he should have run the ball. Oh, okay. But listen, he's become a throw person, a throw per throw first type of quarterback. He's been doing it all season long. But again, the clock, the clock just has to go off in your head. I was counting the second one second, two second three. And he was still holding the ball, waiting on somebody to get open. And again, I blame the offensive coordinator for not

shortening up the goddamn routes. No. Hold on. 1,001, 1,002, 1,003. I'm done. I'm out of there. Right. Remember on the sideline when Odell was saying, hey, bro, you electric. You ignite the crowd when you do this.

Bro, take off. Hey, we need your legs. Right. It's all in picking and choosing when the right time to take off is and those are one of the few times when he when they had the strip facts strip sack fumble he should have took off with the ball yeah but he gonna get it he gonna get it that once once he once he learned that clock and the time and just and had that feeling quarterbacks have a feeling you know what i gotta feel yes yes i got i got to go because he does a great job ojo of feeling pressure becausebacks have a feeling. You know what? I got to go. Yes, yes. I got to go. Because he does a great job, Ocho, of feeling pressure

because there was a couple of times, remember that touchdown that he threw to Zay? Zay Flowers, yeah. Yeah, you remember how he spun up out of there? The guy had him getting right. He felt the pressure. He dunked, whirled up out of there. Heaved it down the field.

He just has to know, 1,001, 1,002, okay? Hit that back foot here, okay? One's covered. Two, no check down. I'm out. Get up out of there, yeah. Sometimes you don't even wait for the check down.

You going anyway because you know they coming. Yeah, yeah. But like I said, but you look at his resume, he gets one Super Bowl. Lamar Jackson is a made man. It changes everything

that you could possibly thought. You don't got nothing. Because people, they're going to pick him apart, Ochoa. They're going to say, yeah, he got great regular season numbers. The same thing they did to Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning, right. They did the exact same thing to Peyton. You know what's a good thing, though?

It's good to be in that company. Oh, yeah, for sure. It's good to be in that company, even though they're going to take you apart. But the fact that you have two MVPs, all the accolades you have at such a young age, still, being in that company based on what they said about you before you got drafted. For sure, for sure.

I love it. I love that we're here. I love that we've arrived as a quarterback and being treated as such. Unfortunately, Ocho, they're going to beat him up a little more than they beat Peyton. And I beat Peyton Manning up

because I was in the league at the time. I was at CBS going to beat him up a little more than they beat Peyton. And I beat Peyton Manning up because I was in the league at the time. I was at CBS and I beat him up pretty good. Right. But Lamar Jackson is one vote away from being a two-time unanimous MVP. There have only been two of those guys. Right. He and Tom Brady. He was one vote short of being a...

Think about it. There hadn't been a whole lot of unanimous MVP. There's only been one in basketball. Jordan, Will, Russell, Shaq, LeBron, Kobe, Bird, Magic, Kareem. None of them was a unanimous MVP. just got to go against the grain. It's always won purposely. Purposely. And it has nothing to do and it's more personal than it is actually having common sense and logic when it comes to the goddamn game and the sport.

I don't know what's wrong with me tonight, but I'm feeling good tonight, bro. I see you feeling good. I'm feeling good tonight. But Joe Burrow is sandwiched in between. He's nine months younger than Patrick Mahomes, but he's probably nine months older than Lamar Jackson.

Right, right, right. But both, I mean, Lamar, Patrick, hey, and the thing is, Ocho, they're in the same conference. Yeah, that's a good thing. They were in the same division. Because Peyton and Tom used to be in the same conference, not on the same conference, but the same division before they split it up.

All of them were in the AFC East. Yeah. You know what? The NFL is in good hands when it comes to the quarterback position. For sure. Especially the AFC. Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow, Lamar. I think we got to work on the Steelers.

Now, if a little birdie told me, I'm not, I'm not, a little birdie told me, and I said this many shows ago, if Russell Wilson coming on over there to the Steelers, Cleveland had Deshaun, well, the AFC going to be hell.

The AFC going to be hell. I think right now I saw on DraftKings the betting favorite is Justin Fields to end up in Pittsburgh. No, he's going to Atlanta. I always said I thought he would be Michael Big 2.0. Huh? I thought he would be Michael Big 2.0 in Atlanta.

On that turf? Indoors? Oh, that's fast now. That's fast. Drake London and Robinson and Kyle Pitts. Boy, finally. And then someone, a competent offensive coordinator

that knows how to use the weapons around him. Yep. They didn't use Kyle Pitts right. They didn't use B. John Robinson the way he should have been used. He's electric. He is electric.

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Man, let's take a look at this, man. Play it, play it, play it, play it. I ain't see it. Across the board, the man's already three foot tall. You put him in a chair, 91, 91, five. Oh, fuck you, Shannon. Oh, fuck no. I didn't know you said this shit! Shannon, fuck you!

Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah! Nigga! Nah, nah, nah! Fuck you! Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah! Nigga, is this national TV, my nigga? What the fuck? No, no, no, no, no. Why'd I just go straight like that? Nigga, this is national TV.

Man, oh. Oh, Joe. I was trying to explain. Man, y'all in the chat. Man, y'all laughing, man. Come on, man. Don't do that. Hey. Man, don't do that, man.

How tall he is? Man. Man, they know how tall that man is man they make it seem like i made some stuff up hey but you shut up man man hey i didn't even know he responded hey that was funny i didn't know i didn't know either that was funny man look at that ocho was telling Stevie about the dunk contest right I said okay uh um Aaron Gorin jumped over Taco Fall right Matt McClung jumped over Shaq hell we got Blake Griffin jumping over Kia oh yeah I remember that that was Jalen Brown jumped over Kai wait did they wait did they did they have the chair propped up a little higher or something oh he's sitting down in the chair with the phone. We're taking a selfie.

I'm like, bro, what are we doing here? And the dude got like 45, 46s. I'm like, come on, really? Hell, I jumped over two guys in the chair in 1987. Yeah. 37 years ago. Hey, hold on, hold on. You got vert too?

You can jump? I used to. I ain't got no vert no more. The only thing I'm doing right now is an airplane. So, man, I mean, I wasn't basically, it wasn't directed

at him. I was just saying like, we got guys in the dunk contest and they're jumping over a guy that's not tall to begin with and then you put him in a was just saying like, we got guys in the dunk contest and they're jumping over a guy that's not tall to begin with and then you put him in a chair. Ocho, if you six foot tall, you six one, you six two, you sit in the chair, you have the size you were to

begin with. Okay, I see what you're saying. That was my point. I ain't trying to make light of the dude's height. And then my man would know, but they've been killing me talking about i should have played kai man the guy got 14 minutes that that's that's good minutes how many how many how many how many players on your team man i don't know i think it was about 14 12 14 so are you saying he didn't play enough minutes because i saw a tweet where he said put me in the game coach i need more

minutes are you saying he was a liability He wasn't an asset to you winning? No, no. Him and Dylan, Dylan Wang, they ended up in the second quarter, they got us back in the ball game. He came in, he was good. I left him in. Right, he was good. Okay, okay, okay.

And then in the third, he came in, I said bro, at the fire, at the search and search mark, you going in. Okay. He came in. I said, bro, at the fire at such and such a mark, you're going in. Okay? He went in. At that point in time, you know how it is. It's cutting time. Hey, Puka, Micah, Jewel, go.

We need to secure the game. Okay, okay. I couldn't lose that close, and I don't have the lead. We don't wrestle the lead away from him and we held the lead and what happened was we had a shooting contest. You take your three best

it was three guys. I think it was Puka Micah and Hayes and so we were shooting contests wherever it lights up at and check this out Ocho whoever won the contest those three guys stay on fire

for like five minutes so anytime they make a bucket it's double oh okay okay okay you make a two quarter that's four you make a three quarter that's six you make a four quarter that's eight oh so that's okay okay okay but you gotta

explain to your players you gotta explain the players roles before the game start. Then there wouldn't be no issues. Then they got a better understanding on why they not playing. Ocho, I don't know the rules. They telling me, okay, if Jennifer Hudson's on the court, you have to have Lily on the court because they're comparable

in skill set. Okay, if Natasha Cloud's on the court, you can have Jewel Lord. But you can't have Jewel and Jennifer Hudson just like you can't have Natasha Cloud and Lily on the court. you can have Jewel Lord. But you can't have Jewel and Jennifer Hudson just like you can't have Natasha Cloud and Lily on the court. Okay, I get that. And so that's what I was trying to do. But Stephen A wanted to keep his starters

in the whole while and try to take advantage. So I just had to match up. And once he subbed, I ended up subbing my guys earlier than him anyway. Right. And so Kai and Dylan got it. I put them in at the same time, but I had to keep, I had to keep Micah Puka.

I had to keep two or three on the court. You got to have some points coming from somewhere. Okay, okay, okay. I see, I see, I see. I see, I see. So they're like, man, you got to play Kai. I said, man, y'all want the man to, how many minutes y'all want the man to play? 30? 40? Yeah. Alright, well, now you got the opportunity to clear the air

just to let him know you weren't talking about him or his height. You were just suggesting that. I was just talking about the dunk contest and we're seeing guys jumping over props. How is that the same what Jalen Brown did when we saw Aaron Gordon jump over 7'6 Taco Fall? Or we see Matt McClung jump over 7'1 Shaq, or we see Blake Griffin jump over Kia.

One guy jumping over Kia, the other guy jumping over Kai. Really, Ocho? I mean, listen, I think at this point, obviously with the dunk contest, just the NBA All-Star in general, I'm not sure how they can get any more creative, you know, as far as those that are dunkers.

I mean, everything has damn near been done. Everything has been done. So I'm like, ugh, they're in a tough spot. The NBA itself is in a tough spot. The players are already rich. They rich beyond their means.

So how do you incentivize NBA players that are already making $100, $150, $200, some some 300 million to get out there and play in a competitive nature? It's impossible. It's just like with anything. Everybody say, well, well, Michael Jordan. Well, OK, that's what Michael wanted to do. OK, well, Kobe, that's what Kobe wanted to do.

That's what those guys. But at the end of the day, Ocho, everybody follow their lead, though. No, it don't. Not anymore. Oh, yeah, I'm saying not anymore. Don't you see these guys moving around? You see these guys how they jump? Team, team, oh, it ain't no more Landbirds, Magic Johnson. Right, right. Ain't no more Kobe.

Ain't no more Tim Duncan. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. And a lot of times back then, there was no free agency. Right. So guys didn't move around and got you know so but the thing was Ocho I look at it like this guys are saying if it doesn't enhance me or my brand I'm not doing it's just like you if it doesn't enhance Ocho you're not doing it no matter who did it before you because you're an individual it doesn't enhance Ocho, you're not doing it. No matter who did it before you. Because you're an individual. You're thinking about Ocho

not what somebody else did. That's the problem people have. You think the players of the day are more focused on their brand as opposed to actually playing? Hell yeah! But hold on. That makes no sense. Basketball is their brand. Everything after that is just cherry

is just icing on the cake. Brand. They come in thinking brand. They come in and got things copyrighted and trademarked. Brand. Yeah, but you create the brand by playing the game of basketball.

Unless you're good at the sport, the brand means nothing without it. Jordan said, play basketball and win and the brand will come. They got it backwards, though. You said it. Ocho, but if I give you $250 million and you ain't won nothing, what are you saying?

You hadn't won a championship, you hadn't won an MVP, and I still max you out. So now what? So what's the incentive? So what's my incentive to win if I can make $300 million, $400 million without it? Well, that's nasty work right there. Yes.

That's why you see fewer and fewer people going to college. They said, OK, you want me to accumulate this massive debt and I can go do and make tons of money with no debt. What's my incentive to go to college? Because we have been inundated for the longest time. What, Ocho? Go to school, go to college, get a job. Right.

So you hear that for 18 years, you start to believe that's the only way you can be successful. Right. What we see now, Steve Jobs, and we see Bezos, and we see Microsoft, Bill Gates. We see

so many, even in today's entrepreneurs that didn't go to college and making 30, 40, 50 million dollars a year. And they don't have the massive debt that college will place upon you. So go get in debt

for 200,000 and then I give you a job making100,000 a year Good luck paying it off Anytime soon And by the way You got to get a rent Mortgage And you got to get transportation

Well you just You just made You just broke down What college basically is Yes They make it seem like This beautiful thing The American dream

And it puts you in debt and you work your whole life just to get out of it yeah oh that's crazy and then also the piggyback on what you did say even though you are an athlete you got to think about the small percentage that actually make it you got to think about the small percentage of your dream might be to go to the nba but the small percent it's only what, 15 spots? Well, I think there's 30 teams, so there's 400. There are 400 NBA players. Yeah, roughly 400, 450, something like that. Everybody ain't getting them $250, $300 million.

You got to be special. You got to be that boy. You got to be that boy. But that's the thing, though, Ocho. We see guys making a ton of money, and I don't begrudge them. Right. But We see guys making a ton of, and I don't begrudge them. Right. But we see guys making a ton of money and ain't won anything.

So what's the incentive to win if I can get it without? Martin, if I gave you a choice, most people, if I give you a choice, say, you know what? You can work 20 hours a week

and make 200,000 or You can work 20 hours a week and make $200,000 or you can make 40 hours a week and make $250,000. What you think they're choosing, Ocho? 20 hours a week. Exactly. Right, 20 hours a week. So, what am I going to win extra? So, I get an extra endorsement.

$300 million. So, Ocho, let me ask you a question. What can't you do with 300 million that you can do with 400 million? Same goddamn thing, boy. Same goddamn thing. I mean, after you get to a certain level, Ocho, I mean, what are we talking about? You know, it's funny when you break it down like that

and the fact that they make all this money, but they still go out there. I'm not saying NBA All-Star in general. The fact that they make all this money, but they still go out there. I'm not saying NBA All-Star in general. The fact that they still have the motivation and the wherewithal to go out there and still compete week in and week out. Kai, you in the chat? Kai, ask a question. What Kai talk about? Kai, he said he's sorry, man.

You know what, Kai? I'm going to come back next year, coach the All-Star game in the Bay, and I'm going to put you in the starting lineup, Kai. I'm going to request you on my team,

and I'm going to put you in the starting lineup. I'm going to let you get a good, solid 20 minutes. A good, solid 20 to 25 minutes. Let him run the point. Let him run the point. Facilitate. No, I want you and Lloyd minutes. Let him run the point. Let him run the point. Facilitate.

Nah, I want you and Lord to come back and run the point. So you good with that, Kai? Kai, I mean, hey, I'm sorry, Kai, man. I mean, I was really trying to win because of Stephen A. Stephen A, man.

Stephen A was going to have bragging rights. Kai, I know you didn't want Stephen A to have bragging rights over your ump. I mean, what can I mean? You know, we wanted to win. I mean, we got bragging rights, Kai. He understand. He understand. He understand.

You can talk trash to T's, CJ Stroud, Tambiri, a metal. I mean, we beat a guy that had an NBA player on their team, a champion, a defensive player of the year, an all-star.

And we took him down, bro. God, we did that. That's us. We're forever champions, guy. We're forever champions.

No one could ever take that away from you, son. Man. I'm sorry, Kai. I'm sorry. I really am. But I got you 14 solid minutes. I mean, it wasn't like no minutes, and there wasn't no mop-up minutes.

You got quality minutes. Somebody said they ain't the real Kai. Oh. They say he ain't the real Kai. Oh. They say he's streaming us on Twitch. That's the great value Kai. Nah, he got nine million followers. That's him. Oh, it is?

Yeah. But you know what? We gonna work it out, Kai. We gonna work it is? Yeah. But you know what? We're going to work it out, Kyle. We're going to work it out, bro. We're going to, hey, I'm requesting that you be on my team next year. I'm going to let you start. I'm going to give you 22 minutes. That's what you're going to get.

22. Running the point. I'll give you five in the first quarter. Five minutes? That's it? Five minutes in the first quarter. I'm going to give him four in the second quarter. I'm going to give him, depending on the game,

I'm going to try to give him about nine in the third. That's 18. Four minutes in the fourth. Just make it 10. Make it 10. Just make it 10. Make it 10. Oh, Joe, the quarter's only like 10 minutes, ain't it?

You might as well let him get a whole quarter. Huh? You got to think he got a whole year. He got a whole year to perfect his game. He got a whole year to work on his game. You're going to be working on your game. I need you to get with Lethal Shooter. I need you to get with him. I need you to get with Phil Handy.

Work on your handle. Get your handles tight. Yeah. Working with Lethal Shooter. Get your shot tight. Yeah. Send me a video and your boy got you. We in the game.

I got you. I got you. That's what I want to see. I want to see a video you working with Phil Handy. You got your handles tight and Lethal Shooter, you shot right. Handles tight, shot right. We good. We in there.

Perfect. So, but it was fun. Hold on. Hey, can I play? No, you can't shoot. He says, I got, it was fun. Hold on. Hey, I, can I play? No, you can't shoot. He says, I got a year to prepare a fact. He's asking if he can call in right now. Ash, how do we get him to call in?

Can we take callers? We can. Hey, you know what? We can't. Hey, you know what? We can't with Twitch. We're going to get you information, and we're going to get you to call in on Thursday. Yeah, we're going to get you information. We're going to check in with you on Thursday. We're going to get you right on Thursday.

That's what we're going to do for you, Kai. But we appreciate you spending some time with us, bro. We really appreciate, love what you do. He's a gamer. Yeah. Probably beat the brakes off you in all the games, Ocho. Nah, Kai can't

beat me in nothing. Nah, I'm a streamer as well. There's nothing he can't beat me in. Madden, EAFC, nothing. You throw a streamer, you at a party? No, I have a Twitch. Oh, I thought you said streamer, like party. Nah, he's a streamer. He's a streamer. I watch him sometimes. I know what he is. Listen, I didn't

donate it to him at all. I didn't donate a little 25, 50 get there before. You know, it's just... No, I understand what you're saying. Right. But, nah, you're not be folk. You know, it's just... I understand what you're saying. Right. But, nah, you're not like him. You're not like Kai. You're not like Ninja.

You're not like Booga. That's not you. No, no, no, no. Yes, I am. What are you talking about, man? I'm ranked in the world, man, in the games that I play. I'm ranked in the world. Yeah, you ain't take a shower in four days.

You ranked in the mud. No, no, no, no, no, no. You got to do your homework, man. I am a gamer. I am a streamer. That's what I do for a living. That's how I pay. How do you think I pay my bills?

I pay my bills through streaming. You pay your bills through me and your investments. No, no, no, no, no. The bulk of my bills are paid because I stream and I have people that are donating. your investments. No, no, no, no, no. I pay my, the bulk of my bills are paid because I stream and I have people that are donating

and the fact that they're donating because I'm really good at what I do is how I pay my bills. I'm just telling you. Kyle just donated. He just donated. He asked,

why you call me three feet? Kyle, Kyle, it was an exaggeration. But, bro, you make it seem like you Shaq hype. Okay, Chad, Kyle Kyle it was an exaggeration but bro you make it seem like you Shaq hype okay Chad how tall do you think Kyle is what we gonna give him 5'5 5'4

nah he ain't that short I saw him at the flag football game in um what was Superbowl I saw him at the flag football game in Vegas he about 5'10 5'9 5'10 Chad y'all think Kyle 5'10 I 5'9", 5'10". Man, Donald is bested. Chad, y'all think Kyle 5'10"? I mean, it might have been the cleats.

It might have been the cleats he had on, but he looked 5'10". I don't care if he got on 5-inch cleats. He ain't no 5'10". Chad, how tall y'all think Kyle is? Somebody talk about 5'1". Man, he ain't that goddamn. He ain't that short.

Now, I know I'm not blind. I was right there on the sideline. I seen him play. You saw him play? Yeah, he caught a little hitch route. Caught a little hitch route. Oh, and almost took it to the house Now he tried to get jiggy

He tried to get jiggy with it But he didn't take it to the house on y'all Nah, I wasn't playing Mike Vick and Cam Newton were the quarterbacks Yeah, I'm getting a lot of 5-5 and unders Somebody said 5-6 I'm telling you If of five, five and unders. Somebody said five, six. I'm telling you, if you see him in person,

I mean, he looked five, nine to me. From where I was standing. Where are you standing, on the moon? No, I was standing... Bad. My bad, Kai. Moving forward, your official height will be at least 5'5". Just say

5'9". 5'9". That's the average height for an American male is 5'9". Yeah. So like... That's the average height for an American male is 5'9". So we're going to go with that. He's Nigerian. He's not even finished growing.

Huh? He's not even finished growing yet. Man, that guy got to be in his 20s. Nah, he's a young fella. He's a young fella. He ain't finished growing. Wait, he's Nigerian?

I think so. Oh, shit. I mean, he's probably a Yahoo boy with me then. Nah. You might be Ghana or Mali. No, I'm from Nigeria. I have Nigerian roots. No matter all that.

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listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Farmer Vycus GM ranks 2020 class you want as your quarterback for the next five years. Jordan Love went one. Joe Burrow went two. Justin Herbert went three. Jalen Hurts went four. Tua Tagovailoa went five. Oh, that's a good one. Chat. Come on now, chat. Y'all talk to me. Wait a minute. All right. For one, number one, number one, you already know who I'm going with. Yes.

You know I'm going with Joe. To start a franchise, I don't know. You said the GM of the Vikings? No, he said you wanted your quarterback for the next five years. You ain't starting a franchise. Your quarterback you got right now, moving forward for the next five years. Yeah, I'm going with Joe first. And then second, I'll go with Jordan Love.

Jordan Love, second. Just based on the trajectory and what I've seen from both so far, especially goddamn Jordan Love. Jesus Christ. Young Bull. Young Bull is really nice um like the last three is is it's like um it's like a win-win either way you go now obviously i'm speaking on based on the offenses that they have the same weapons that they have based on what i've seen you can't go wrong with tour you can't go wrong

with herbert and you can't go wrong with tour i mean I mean, Tua... Yeah, or Hurts. You know, I know Hurts took 10-1. They had a gigantic slide after starting 10-1. Obviously, injuries played a big factor in that. Some other things internally that was going on defensively, they ain't tackling, they're not trying, whatever it was. But from what I've seen with Hurts, who's already been, you know, into a Super Bowl and been in a big dance,

like where can you go wrong with that? You know, with those last three, it's a toss-up based on preference and who you like. But I'm just, number one, I'm really starting with Joe Burrow, then Jordan Love is my starting quarterback for the next five years. I can see why Rick Spielman, former GM of the Vikes, would take Jordan Love because you got to base it on injury history also. In two of the five years, Joe Burrow hadn't finished the season. So you got to factor that in on Joe.

You got to factor that in. And that's because that's what we do with any player. We always, whether you're coming out of college, whether you're in the NFL, we got to factor that injury history in because guess what? Health is wealth. You can't make the club in the tub. In the tub, yeah. And I need you. Because he is so valuable.

There's no more valuable player than the quarterback, especially if you're trying to get to and compete for a championship. Right. So I can understand that. But Jordan Love, he impressed me. I mean, he could flat out spin the ball. I'm not saying he's going to be Aaron Rodgers, but he have a lot of similarities in the way he throws the ball,

his positioning, the arm angles. Listen, his foot placement, the way he throws the ball, his positioning, the arm angles. Listen, his foot placement, the way he throws the ball, the arm mechanics, the damn mannerisms, the flick of the wrist. Yep. They do everything. And I know it has something to do with just playing behind Aaron Rodgers for what, two or three years, right? Was it three years he played behind Aaron? Three. Listen, he picked up everything.

Because if you watch him play, he does everything exactly the same. Mm-hmm. But that's a good list, though. But those last three, I don't see how you... I mean, obviously, you having to factor in the injuries for Joe, but you got Joe at two, right? You got

Jordan Love first, you got Joe at two. He had Jordan Love at one, Joe Burr at two, Justin Herbert at three, Jalen Hurts at four, and Tua at five. So that's what your list would look like, too, based on those five quarterbacks? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, the last three is the toss-up.

It's based on preference. You really can't go wrong. And the reason why I put Justin Herbert in front of Jalen Hurts over the next five years is because he has Harbaugh. And I'm trusting Harbaugh's track record with the quarterbacks. You look at what he did with Alex Smith. You look at what he did with Andrew

Luck. You look at what he did at Michigan. You look at what he did at UC San Diego. Did he have Kaepernick or no? Yeah. That's what I'm factoring in ojo i'm factoring in that knowing his history with quarterbacks and maximizing their ability playing to what they do really really well well that's why i would put justin herbert in front of jaylen hurts okay all right. Alright, that's fair. That's fair. I see people are talking about quarterbacks that

weren't even mentioned. I think he just took the guys that were drafted in the 2020 draft. 2020 draft. Yeah. We're talking about the quarterbacks that went in the 2020 draft. We're not talking about any other quarterback. Any other quarterback. No. We're not talking about Patrick Mahomes. We're not talking about Lamar. We're not talking about any other quarterback. Any other quarterback. No, we're not talking about Patrick, the homes.

And we're not talking about Lamar. And we're not talking about Dak or any of those guys. Those were the guys that were drafted in the 2020 draft. If I'm not mistaken. Right. People just throwing other names out there. Yeah. Yeah.

It was my bad. Uh, I should have provided better context. Uh, he ranked the 2020, the 2020 quarterback class. You won't as your quarterback for the next five years so that's my part for

not providing the context five quarterbacks selected in the 2020 draft and he ranked them the ones that you would like to have first to fifth over the next five years had Jordan Love, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Jalen Hurts and Tua

so that's on me I hate the fact that you have to factor in the injuries with Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Jalen Hurts, and Tua. So that's on me. I hate the fact that you have to factor in the injuries with Joe and just understanding how special he is, man, and what he's already done so far. But okay, I like it. I'll take Joe at Tua. I got it. I got you. Yeah.

Where's Mahomes? First of all, when we talk about the quarterback list, Mahomes is not on any list. Mahomes is by himself. We're going to leave him alone. We're going to set that aside. Right, right, right, right. So now you start ranking.

You can go 2 through 5, 2 through 10, 10 through 15, 15 through 20. Patrick Mahomes, I don't think anybody should ever compare anybody that's currently playing. This is not a situation where you got like a Brady and a Manny. Brady had five, uh, Manny had five Superbowls, had,

uh, five Superbowls, five MVPs had gone to Superbowl, had gone to two Superbowls, even though he hadn't won, goes to a third and he wins. Brady, uh,

had at that time, probably two, he ended up winning a third MVP, but he had the credentials. I don't see anybody that's close to those numbers. But I think we could all agree, no matter where you're from,

whether you're in Cincinnati, you're in LA, you're in Baltimore, you're in Cincinnati, you're in L.A., you're in Baltimore, you're in Miami, you're in Dallas. I think we could all agree the one thing that we can have unanimity on. If Patrick Holmes is the best quarterback in football. Yeah, I mean, you can't argue the fact anybody that wants to argue the fact I would love to hear them state the facts on why he's not, but it would just be... Now you just argue. You just argue. You just argue for no reason. Yeah, I mean, like, come on now.

You know, if like your girl, you already told her, you right, you right, and she's still arguing. I said, damn, baby, you right. Yeah, yeah. You just want to argue to keep arguing. You saying I'm right just to get me to shut up. No, baby, you right.

I'm saying you're right. I was wrong. That's why I'm saying that. Do I strike you as a guy? Yeah, sometimes it's better to keep the peace than to be right. I learned that. I learned that. Yeah.

I learned that. Also, Joel Klantz says the Dolphins should draft Michael Penich Jr. and move on from Tua. Yeah. I learned that. So, also, Joel Klatt says the Dolphins should draft Michael Pinnock Jr. and move on from Tua. Whoa. Klatt, giving Tua a huge deal I think is risky. He's been injury prone outside of concussions. How many times did Tyreek have to adjust to an underthrown ball? Where are you on that? Listen, I think Tua is the future uh he meshes very

well with the receiving court that he does has the supporting cast that he does have they played very very well now again they didn't really beat anybody over 500 last year but there are things that they can improve on the more you play with certain players and individuals, the better the chemistry gets. I think offensively, they're going to be much better than they were last year. And if you believe in Tua, he's heard enough of the bullshit already. You know, Tom Brady coming out of retirement to come play in Miami. Or is Tua really the answer? Oh, Tua, he's injury prone.

He's had concussions. He's always hurt. Is he the future? I think he showed us Me, obviously being a Floridian He showed that he is capable Of being a quality quarterback And getting him to the promised land

As long as he stays healthy Do you really want to start over? Start over again? Because you don't know What's going to happen If you bring someone in new. That's a rookie. Then what?

You might be right, but you might set yourself back. The question is, Ojo, and I think this is what you're up against. Do you believe if he faced Lamar, he faced Mahomes, he faced Burrow, can he outplay him head to head? He faced Mahomes. He faced Burrow.

Can he outplay him head to head? Because that's what it's going to take to beat you. Yeah. That's, ooh, that's, that's a, that's a, oh, I don't even like when you put it like that. I'm not, I'm just saying. Because that's why you get those guys like that, Ocho, because I'm counting on my guy outplaying your guy. Right. Even though they're not on the field at the same time,

I still got to be. It's not like you're the receiver. Hey, you saw that other receiver. You saw that other top, that number one receiver on the other side. I got to outplay that joker. Because if he make more plays than me, his team going to win. Right. But then that's where your supporting cast comes into play.

That's where the quarterback and your decision-making comes into play. That's where when you're playing teams like the Lamars and the Patrick Holmes and the Joe Burrows, that's where your decision-making comes into play. Making the plays when it matters most. Yeah. That's what it comes down to. Now, do you want to bring in a rookie quarterback? No.

And set yourself back? set the team back. What message are you sending the Dolphins if you say, OK, we're going to draft Penning Jr.? What message you send it to the players? We're trying to get better. Hey, listen, that's a huge toss-up. And Penix is awesome. Penix Jr. is awesome. You know, he had a stellar collegiate career. But what message are you sending to the players? He's pretty old, too. He is? What you mean? Yeah, he's trading to transfer.

Oh, okay, okay, okay. So fifth year? Might have been a sixth year. Because if I'm not mistaken, didn't he transfer from like Illinois or Maryland or somewhere? Not Indiana, was he? Indiana.

Indiana. He transferred from Indiana to the Big Ten school. Yeah. I remember the damn eye on the helmet. Yeah. So, yeah, he's...

How old is Michael Penix Jr.? Ash, how old is Michael Penix Jr.? I think he's probably like 24, 25. 24 at least. Probably 25. But, yeah, I mean, Ocho, he's 23. 23. Oh, he's a baby.

He's a baby. He got plenty of time. I'm not sure. Obviously, you know how quarterbacks are quarterbacks are very emotional you see what happened with aaron rogers when they drafted george love yes like listen they um they picked up two as fifth year officers what did what did the ultra they got tired of being held hostage right because even though they was giving him money he was still i don't know how much longer i want to play. I'm not going to show up for OTAs.

I want to go drink a hibiscus. How would you say that? Those mind altering drugs. You know, it was always something. And I keep telling people all the time, no matter where you are in life. Yeah. Someone will tolerate you until they can replace you. Yeah. Someone will tolerate you until they can replace you. Yeah.

In a relationship, in a business relationship, in a social relationship, in a boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife, they will tolerate your bull job until they can replace you. And the moment they can replace you, you're gone. They hit you with that cheetah quick. If you're not careful, you'll become the very thing you despise the most in a person what was Brett Favre doing to Green Bay Ocho and lo and behold he saw it first hand that's how he got the job Brett Favre kept waffling I don't want to play I think I'm retired

I don't really want to come to training camp. Just let me play the regular season. Damn. It played out. It played out just like that. Brett wasn't happy when they drafted Aaron. Aaron wasn't happy when they drafted Jordan. Right.

But they was like, you know what? At some point in time, he got us over a barrel. You see during the pandemic how they jacked the prices up? What were you going to do? I'm going to charge you $20 for some wipes. What you going to do? I'm going to charge you $10 for gas. What you going to do?

I'm going to charge you $4 for a bottle of water. What you going to do? You got to get it. You got to get it. You got to get it. There's nothing you can do. As long as they didn't have a quarterback and the quarterback that they had knew it, they gave their butt the kiss. He got to fool.

He got to fool. And mind you, mind you, you can get away with it. You can get away with it when you're certain. You know what? I ain't even going to go there. But go ahead.

Yeah, I am. I'm going to let that go. It's like anything, you know. Oh, you, hey. It's just like anything. You might not want somebody. Let somebody else show interest in them. Oh, yeah.

Him or her. Because you got to remember, O Ocho your girl or your guy new to somebody might not be new to you but he new to somebody or she new to somebody you know how it is when you get a new pair of shoes women know how it is

when you get a new purse and some new heels yeah all right now all of a sudden she ain't been going to the gym she with you all of a sudden she going to the gym and know how it is when you get a new person some new heels, huh? Yeah. All right, now. All of a sudden, she ain't been going to the gym. She went to all of a sudden she going to the gym. Yeah.

She's working out to see somebody else see her naked. She's working out to take the clothes off of somebody else. Yeah. Yeah.

Your eyes don't feel the same. Hmm. Think I'm hate. Hmm. Hey, listen. You ain't got... What's the old saying, Ocho? Let me get a new set of eyes to look at this.

Hey, I'm bringing in a new set of eyes. Hey, them I love views and you look good, but they don't hit the same. They don't. When you hear from the same voice all the time over and over and over. What? A new voice?

All right. Come on now. Hey. Chat, stay with me. They with you. I'm right here with you. You better stay with me. Hell, I'm so close to you, I'm in front of you.

What's wrong with you? I ain't going to tell you nothing I ain't know. I ain't nothing I ain't experienced. Yeah. It's something about you hearing it for the first time from somebody else, just like when she said it to you. Yep. What?

She rolled her shoulders and like, hey, you. Hey. I had to take my glasses off to make sure I could see you. Yes. I'm with you. I can't see that good without my glasses. But I see you. I hear what you're saying. I hear what you I can't see that good Without my glasses But uh I see you I hear what you're saying

I hear what you're saying One thing about the game Has always been the game You just gotta learn How to play it And you can be good At anything If you understand the rules

God damn it Boy come on now It's gotta be Sunday For you to preach on Sometimes people Don't even wanna Don't know the game Cause they don't

Understand the rules Huh? Learn the rules of the game And we're gonna be good at it. You're going to be all right. You're going to be all right. Yeah. Remember, they'll tolerate you until they can replace you.

Yes, sir. Oh, Joe, Micah admits the Cowboys have a culture problem. I've just been trying to say that, but hey, Shatter, you a hater. How you know, Shatter, you ain't in that locker room? Micah Parsons or my partner Stephen A. Smith say, show, don't get me wrong. Yes, I agree that teams play us like the Super Bowl. We're the Dallas Cowboys.

But at the end of the day, that's not good enough reason or excuse to say that publicly. You never go into a game like, I'm tired. I'm ready to go home because that's exactly what's going to happen. And it did happen. That's a part of the culture and the identity that I just feel like we're missing. That's just something that I don't agree

with at all. Ojo, how do you fix that problem? I mean, I mean, I've said it over and over and over. I've said it over and over and over. And listen, Micah can talk. Micah can talk because he shows up on Sundays.

He shows up on Mondays and he shows up on Thursdays. And he shows up whenever they are playing. I just need the person that owns the team. I just need them to take it. I just need them to take a back seat. Just take a back seat. Let me ask you something. Who won the Super Bowl this year? The Chiefs.

Who is the owner of the Chiefs? Clark Hunt. How many times have you seen Mr. Hunt in front of a camera this season? Two. When they got the AFC Championship trophy, when they got the Lombardi trophy. He was in front of the camera

the only two times where it mattered. Yeah. He didn't have the Pubbis team. We know who the owner is. He's not talking about. Yeah. He didn't have the pub as team. We know who the owner is. He's not talking about injury report. He's not talking about his quarterback. He's not talking about Mahomes. Let the players play.

Let the players focus on what they need to do. They already had the star on their helmet. Everybody's always watching. There are some things in life that you own that you don't have to sell. It already sells itself. The Dallas Cowboys are going to always sell themselves without you having to be front

center as an owner. We know you're an owner. We know that. The fact that you need and want the credit, maybe that's the reason things aren't going the way they should be going. Because it always starts from the top. We talk about winning teams or championship caliber teams. What is the one thing that all players say when it comes to the Patriots?

It started from Robert Kraft and it trickled all the way down. Yeah. Look at the Chiefs. Look at the Chiefs. Look at the way the Chiefs do things. Starts all the way at the top. It trickles all the way down. The hunt allows Andy Reid,

that coaching staff, and his players to do what they need to do. No extra pressure, no talking to the media, no trying to sell the Chiefs. The product is going to sell itself. You saw American Gangster, right?

Yeah. Denzel didn't have to go out and say nothing about Blue Magic. He didn't have to say nothing about Blue Magic Because the product Was good and it was great So there was nothing he had to do to sell it Yep

Same thing with the Cowboys Let the players play Let the players do the talking Because they're the ones That have to line up on Sunday It's simple I knew When D-Law said what he said Yeah it's simple I knew um

when D-Law said what he said that they were tired and you know maybe the guys didn't have their legs I knew that wasn't going to be well received everybody's tired at that point in the season everybody's hurt everybody's played the same amount of games

everybody played what three preseason games, played sparingly in the preseason. Everybody at that point had played 16, I had 17. At that point, 18 regular season games. Yeah. But, whoa, tired?

Man, I can see the finish line on the horizon. Yeah. And that in itself... Is enough to reinvigorate you, rejuvenate you. That should get you going. Now, if you do feel tired, if his body does feel tired

based on the season, based on the position that you play, the collision... In the cold tub. Cold tub. Change your diet up. Do some other things different so you have that extra pep in your step.

You know? Do like I did when I was playing. I was full of energy for four quarters. Obviously, I wasn't in the postseason very often. But hell, take a half a pill of Viagra. You're going to be all right. You're going to be hard. You're going to be hard to deal with.

Yeah. Ain't nobody tackling you. You got to poke at people like that. Now I'm going to have to wait until you pass by or I'll jump on your back. Hey, you a D-line but I'm an offensive line.

You have a bunch of sacks that day. I ain't going to be able to. We not fit to get body to body. Dude, I ain't going to be able to do that. I don't know. I don't know if that analogy kind of kind of fits i think people in the chat will they'll run with it but if you have a understanding of what i'm trying to say and just the cow to get the blood flowing

no not not that part i'm talking about just the cowboys they don't they already sell themselves we don't need to be front and center making it more of a show than what it already is because it just comes with it. But that's Jerry. He feel like he has to do that. Yeah. You know what the definition of insanity is? Continuing to do the same thing over and over and over

expecting different results. If you see it's not working the way you do things, you got to change something up. You got to change something up You got to change something up I guarantee you Take a backseat for a change And I guarantee you Change for the better

That's just That's just That's just the way The man upstairs works That's the way The football gods are going to work Until Jerry takes a backseat The football gods

Are not going to allow The Cowboys To get to the finish line the way they should. They got a... They got some... I mean, they got Micah. They got CeeDee. What are they going to do with Dak?

What you mean? They got to pay Dak. CeeDee going to want his money. Oh, he going to... CeeDee, listen. CeeDee going to get his money regardless. going to want his money. Oh, he going to... See, listen, that's... CD going to get his money regardless. Michael want his money. He going to get his money regardless. Or he want it this year.

Wait, this is year three for him, right? Yeah, he just finished year three, going into year four. CD is in year four, going into year five. Yeah, so CD definitely gets his money. We ain't got to worry about that. Do you think Mikey could wait one more year or no? Hell no.

I think his agent is David Muguleta. Ain't waiting. And they like max dollars. Hmm. What? I mean, listen. Do you... I mean, it's happened before. There's a way to do it. There's a way to manipulate the numbers and manipulate the cap

so everybody's happy. But again, as long as my bank account ain't manipulated, you can manipulate all you want to. As long as that bank account know what's going on, we straight. Yeah, but you have to be careful now. If you, you can't be, you can't be money heavy in one area offensively because you still got to be

able to have an adequate defense. Look here. I don't wait in my time. I don't play it on this rookie contract. Y'all told us, I mean, they, they don't data.

They don't pull the fast one over on theets because they said, man, you know, these are rookie players coming in and they make it because remember Sam Bradford was the last one to get that rookie contract. After that, the next year, Cam got this rookie contract because they said what we want to do is that we want to play the proven players, the veteran players.

And what'd they do, Ocho? Started cutting the veteran players left and right. Yeah. Y'all bought that? Y'all really believe that? It's all a game, man. It's a business at the end of the day. You got to remember, it's a business at the end of the day,

and they do not have your best interest at heart. For them. But see, here's the thing, Ocho. It's only a business for them. Because when you say, because they've done a great job with the fans. They've convinced the fans that if a player says it's business, no, you're selfish. You don't care about winning.

Your team, I care more about winning than your team. Because they care about why they're penny-pinching. So what am I? I'm a business. I'm a brand unto myself. Right. But they've done a great job of convincing the fans. So what am I? I'm a business. I'm a brand unto myself. Right. Yeah. They've done a great job of convincing the fans.

The fans, the fans believe that millionaires are greedy, but billionaires. Man. The, the, the, the fans are emotionally invested into the team.

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