Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Mavericks even series, Big Baby sentenced, LeBrons future in LA

Episode Date: May 10, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Luka Doncic and the Dallas Mavericks winning Game 2 over the OKC Thunder, former NBA forward Glen "Big Baby" Davis being sentenced to 40 months in prison and reports the Lakers will resign LeBron James.02:42 - Show Starts05:02 - Mavs Beat Thunder12:40 - Cavs beat the Celtics18:58 - Big Baby Sentenced to 40 months52:35 - Lakers plan to sign Lebron(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you again for staying up late with me. With us, not with me. With Ocho and I, because we're both up, and you're up with us for another episode of Night Camp. I am your favorite unk, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85, route runner extraordinaire, Bengals Ring of Fame honoree, Pro Bowler,

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and my clothing company at 84. Both handles are listed below. So there seems to be some confusion. So what we've did, what we've done is listed them below. Ocho, let's get right into it. There must be a ask, do you know if there's a power

outage in OKC in Oklahoma? Because ain't nobody on my timeline. When they went up and I told you, they flooded my timeline. Oh, shit. Oh, we the worst number one seed? I ain't got nothing. So I'm assuming this is a power outage somewhere. But anyway, I'm going to continue with our normally scheduled programming.

The Mavs beat the Thunder in game two. Luka Doncic, 29 points, 10 rebounds, 7 assists. If I'm not mistaken, I think P.J. Washington also had a career high with 29 points. And in the third quarter, Tim Hardaway Jr. came off the bench, hit several threes to

kind of break the game open, and they cruised from there. Luka was what was Luka? 29 points, 10 rebounds, 7 assists, 3 steals, 52% from theounds, 7 assists, 3 steals, 52% from the floor, 5 of 8 from 3, Tim Hardaway Jr., he came in off the bench,

17 points, 60% field goal in just 19 minutes, and that was the difference in the ballgame. P.J. Washington had 29 points, 11 rebounds, 7 made 3s, first player with 10 plus rebounds, 7 made 3s in the playoff games since Steph did it in the NBA finals. And that was what they really need because Shea Gill just had an unbelievable game also.

Almost had a triple-double, but the Mavs go on the roll and take home court away from the OKC Thunder, winning game two. Yeah. And a very hardball ball game. Ocho, you watched this ball game. What did you like about what you saw? First off, the head of the snake. The head of the snake hadn't been playing well.

Kyrie had been playing well. Can you hear me? Okay, okay. The head of the snake, as I like to call it, you know, your two-headed monster in Kyrie and Luka. Luka hasn't been shooting well. He didn't shoot well last game, but he came in this game and he started off hot. He started off fire.

He caught himself into a rhythm. And obviously Kyrie did what Kyrie did. But the emergence of P.J. Washington, P.J. Washington having the game that he had, I think made the difference. And the bench points that Tim Hardaway Jr. was able to provide is why I think they ran away with this game. And I think it was maybe it was about the third quarter where they kind of pulled

away from it. Yeah, they kind of pulled away with everything. But that goddamn Shea Gilders Alexander, man. Another 30-point night. Yep. 13-24, one for three from the three-point line. Another 30-point night. Yep. 13-24, one for three from the three-point

line, 12 rebounds, eight assists. No, another 30-point night. Yeah, yeah. But here you got P.J. Washington that was 11-18 from the floor in 40 minutes before he plowed out. 7-11 from the three-point line, 11 rebounds. You had Luka.

He gave you 11-22 from the floor, 5-8 from the three-point line, 11 rebounds. You had Luka. He gave you 11 of 22 from the floor, 5 of 8 from the three-point line, 10 rebounds. They went 18 to 37 from the three-point line. They outshot OKC from the three-point line, which was 10 of 18. So in other words, they're plus 24 from the three-point line, and that really was the difference in the ballgame. The rebounding was close,

but the difference in the ballgame was the three-point shot, and that's was the difference in the ball game. The rebounding was close but the difference in the ball game was the three-point shot and that's normally how it goes. We're going to talk about the Celtics and the Cavaliers and you see when the Celtics struggle from the three-point line, they struggle. But this was a game that Luka, if you watch Luka early and if you noticed early, he

came out looking for his shot. He's like, I'm looking for him. He's the type of player, and most of these great players are, if they see a couple of those early shots go in, you got hell on your hands. Because you got to hug up on him, because you're worried

about him shooting the three, and then he has the ability to put the ball on the floor and go by you and finish at the rim. Not dunking the ball, but he has tremendous English. Plus, he got the mid-range. He got the float game. So he has a bag. He has a rail shot that he can pull out of his

bag and make you pay. But he got it going early. PJ got it going early. But it was Tim Hardaway Jr. in that third quarter that really gave them the separation that they needed. And every time they would make a run, OKC would make a run okc would make a run ocho tim hardaway jr would hit a big three-point shot they almost had to lose ball

he gets it uh lou dort tries to get it from him he fakes it like he's gonna pass the luca and if the shot clock's running down he cans the three in the corner and from that point on they really uh i think the closest they got it after that point was maybe eight points. They seem to have really never struggled from that point on. But give the Mavericks credit. They showed you something. That is a very tough build in the play-in. That's a young team. They feed off the crowd.

And every time the Thunder made a run and got the crowd back in it, Luka, P.J. Washington, somebody made a big shot. Somebody made a big play to suppress the run and stymie it. And so now they go back 1-1. That's all you can hope for.

You go on the road. Yeah, you'd like to win two. But if we can get one and steal home court, now we get to go home for two. Let's see if we can go back to OKC up 3-1. But give OKC thunder credit.

Now, they're not going to go away like me. They're not going to go away. There's a reason why they had the number one seed. There's a reason why Shea Gill just all year long was in the MVP discussion. And, you know, they got Jamal Williams. They got the Williams boys that can make shots. But give the Mavs credit for going on the

road. But I'm not here to count the OKC out because I don't believe they're going to go down without a fight. I still believe it's going to be a long series. I think what OKC has to do is they have to find the consistency in their players. You already know what you're going to get from Shai. If we can get Williams, Holmgren, I mean Shea. I'm sorry.

If we can get Williams, Giddy, and Holmgren on the same page of consistency, night in and night out, when they're playing, I think it can make this series much tougher as opposed to because you already know luca luca and kairi are going to do what they do so you have to match wits with their with their two-headed monster or three depending on depending on what tim hardaway jr is coming off the bench or depending on how pj washington is playing you need your three to play just as well as theirs is to make the series very interesting

and not just Shea, Gil, just leading the way all the way. Somebody has to take that pressure off of him. Well, when you get, because here's the thing, Kyrie didn't play particularly well last night, tonight, and he didn't really need to because P.J. picked up the slack. So the points that P.J. gave you is what Kyrie would normally give you. But so when you get P.J. giving you 29, you got 13 from Daniel Gafford. Kyrie only gave you nine points.

But then you get Tim Hardaway Jr. coming off the bench, giving you 17. And you get Green coming off the bench, going three or five and giving you 11 and so that was the difference so what happens is if one of your key guys goes doesn't doesn't perform like he normally does and we normally what Kyrie normally gives you that means somebody else has to pick up that scoring slack or someone someone's or others have to pick up the scoring slack and that's's what you need. On the road, if you can get your auxiliary player, your role player to step up and contribute, it's going to be, you're more apt to, especially if you get Luka,

one of the other guys playing well. Luka was very efficient tonight. He shot over 50% from the floor. He was over 50% from the three-point line. He gave you 10 rebounds, gave you seven assists. We knew that he wasn't going to play in game two as poorly as he played in game one. And so when you get that kind of production,

you got that kind of production from him, you got that kind of production from PJ. Daniel Gafford gave you 13. He only took six shots. And you got Hardaway and Green, I think Josh Green, coming off the bench, combining to give you 28. And they shot what? They shoot 10, 10 of 14 from the floor,

and they shot five of nine from the three-point line. You get that kind of reduction on the road for role players, you're going to be doing real good. And a starter of the night, the Cavs did a better job of making life harder. Jalen Brown, he was seven of 17. Jason Tatum was eight of 17 in game two, but it was Spider Mitchell. He gave you 29.7 rebounds, 8 assists.

He was 5 of 7 from the three-point line. He was plus 36 and plus minus. Only Jalen Brunson has scored more points in the postseason. Donovan Mitchell, over his last four games, he's given you 38 points, six and a half rebounds, five and a half assists on 51-40 shooting. Evan Mobley gave you 21 points, 10 rebounds, five assists. He was plus 35. He's the youngest Cav player.

He's the youngest Cav player since LeBron James with a 20-10-5 in a playoff game. Karis LeBert chipped in on the road. He gave you 21 big points, six rebounds, and they outscored the Celtics. He outscored, well, they outscored the Celtics starters in the fourth quarter. You see the Celtics are a three-point shooting team.

Now, even though they didn't get up the normal amount of threes that they got up, they normally get up. When the threes are falling, they'll shoot you at the gym. But when they're not falling they get blown out they get just just like what you what the heat did to them in game two because the heat threes were falling the celtics threes weren't falling same thing happened tonight um do i think the cap is gonna beat the Celtics in a seven-game series? I don't. I don't.

I don't. But they did make it a lot more interesting because a lot of people thought it was going to be a 4-0. Listen, this is what you have to do. Again, the supporting Cavs with Donovan Mitchell, Struss, Levert, Garland, if they can just keep the games close because you never know the type of night that the Celtics are going to have. We know they can shoot you out of the gym. We know what Jalen Brown can do. We know what Jason Tatum can do.

If you can just continue to match their point output as consistently as possible and be efficient from the field and challenging them on every shot and not allow them to get any easy shots off, I think they have a chance. Maybe not to win the series, but at least

to make it close enough to where people can't say, oh, it's going to be 4-1, it's going to be a 4-1 series or whatever it may be. Nobody is given, if you're a gambler man, if you're a bed man, nobody is giving the Cavs a chance to win this series.

Not even you. Absolutely. No, I'm not. No. Because the thing that I love about a seven-game series, because in football, sometimes the best team doesn't always win. The team that plays the best on a given Sunday or Saturday or Monday or Thursday, they'll win.

But I got seven games. And normally in a seven-game series, if the bad calls or poor shooting happens early enough, you can overcome that. Now, in a situation, if it's a game seven and you shoot poorly and it's a 3-3 ball game, you're not going to overcome that. But if it's early in the series, normally a seven-game series, the better team will overcome that. But you look at the production that they got on the road.

They had six guys that scored in double figures. All five of their starters for the Cavs had double figures. And you get Karis LeBert coming off the bench, giving you 21 points. And so when you get that kind of production from Donovan Mitchell, he gave you 29 on plus 50% shooting. Darius Garland didn't take a whole bunch of shots. He was 5 of 8, 4 of 5 from the 3. He gave you 14 points. Okuru, he gave

you 12 points. Evan Mobley, we mentioned 21 and 10. Max Struess, he gave you 12 on 50% shooting. They shot almost 55% from the floor and 46% from the three-point line. Boston got to do a better job of defending. I mean,

you let a team in the playoffs shoot 55% from the floor, 46% from the three, they're probably going to lose the game. I mean, listen. Boston was... Before you go, Ojo, Boston was 41% from the floor. They was 33% of

80% from the floor, and they was 8% of 35% from the three. They always... I mean, you hear Joe Mazzulla talk. He's trying to get up 53s. When they're trying to get up 53s, you're trying to make somewhere between 18 to 22 of those. Well, when you only make eight threes,

the Celtics are not beating anybody if they only make eight threes. That's not going to happen. It's not. Because their offense, their team is predicated on taking and making a bunch of threes. It's really that simple. Damn. Jason Tatum was 7 for 15. Jalen Brown was 7 for 17.

I mean, hell, let's start with them two right there. For one. Mm-hmm. Yeah. The big guns got to go off. Jason Tatum gave you 25 25 he was 7 of 17 uh jalen brown only gave you 19 he was 7 of 17 derrick white was 3 of 11 he had 10 holiday was 2 of 7 he gave you 4 uh al horford was 4 9 he gave you 11 um peyton pritchett was the guy he

played really really well uh he gave you 13 points on 6 of 10. But outside of that, they didn't really get a whole lot of production from the bench. But they normally don't. They normally don't get a whole lot. Hauser normally comes in and plays pretty well. Occasionally, they'll come in and coordinate and come in and give him some valuable minutes. But normally, Pritchard is the guy off the bench that plays well for them. But right now, Jason Tatum is struggling. There's no way of putting it.

You look at the previous series, he did not play well. And the Cavs to get a road win, considering they didn't even come close to getting a road win. Well, I think game six went on, he hit 50. But I think it's still what they ended up losing. But for the Cavs to come into the Garden and beat them by 24 that's

the Cavs got to take something. We're like, okay, we didn't win not one road game last series against Orlando and here we are a team that won 64 games we still won on the road. So they got to feel good with that. I like it. Now it's time for our first segment of the night, Ocho,

and it's a news cap. Glenn Big Baby Davis was sentenced to 40 months in prison on Thursday for defrauding the league's healthcare plan. The 38-year-old Davis was also sentenced to three years supervised release. In November, Davis was found guilty of health care fraud, wire fraud,

conspiracy to make false statements, and conspiracy to commit health care and wire fraud and face 20 years in prison. Federal authorities said Davis and others defrauded the insurance plan of the NBA players and family members of more than $5 million in a scheme that lasted four years.

The players would make false claims to dental service, various medical, but those services were never provided. Davis submitted a total of $132,000 worth of claims, including he got $27,200 worth of dental work at a Beverly Hills dentist's office in October of 2018. Authorities said he was actually

living in Vegas at the time, flew to Paris that same day using geolocation data for his cell phone to prove it. But Davis doesn't seem too concerned about his punishment. Take a listen to what he had to say this afternoon.

Damn. I got a cold imagination, though. I do that actor shit. I got a cold imagination, though. You know, I do that actor shit. I got a cold imagination. I'm going to have to choke the chicken in the bathroom. That's crazy. I'm going to be swole, though.

I swear to God, I'm about to get in so much shape. Oh, God. That's the only way you can stop me from eating hamburgers is put me in jail. That's what God said. I'm going to stop you eating hamburgers. I'm going to put you in jail.

You don't want to stop eating hamburgers and Cheetos? You're going to jail. So now, I'm going to come to rock. Oh, shit. Man, he made me. Listen, he made me.

I mean, I guess the best thing you can do is make light of the situation. I was just getting ready to say the same thing, man. He's making light of the situation. Taking it on the chin the best way he can, obviously. But it all stems back to what I've always said. You better hope he don't take it on the other end. Listen, it's one thing that goes back to what I always say when I always speak on taking care of your chicken,

like Marshawn Lynch says. Taking care of your money when you're in the league. Taking care of yourself, man, so you don't end up in situations like this. We have to do anything having to do with fraud, for that matter, and having to find loopholes in the system to use it to do some of the things that you enjoy in life getting your teeth done flying to paris i mean i'm getting done while you're in the league oh joe why you wait do you have oh joe You know the team, because when I first got to the league, Ocho,

the team, the medical wasn't like it is currently for the NFL players. I wouldn't stop my black ass in the chair every Tuesday because back then I think the medical, I think the NFL only paid like 10% of dental because they deemed what I was getting was cosmetic. They're not doing for cosmetic now. If I had to have a teeth or had a root canal or something like that, but since I was getting veneers, they deemed that cosmetic

and they really didn't want to play for anything. So I ended up having to get root canals and then veneers. But why would you – my point, the thing that I hate most is that when you defraud a system, and get it, you, we shouldn't do it. But what about the other players? Because now you make it hard because, Oh, Joe,

you remember, we heard cases of how players that really needed and benefits when NFL players try to do the exact same thing. And when players actually waited, they was turned away. And these jackasses, that was a hundred percent healthy. That didn't need it.

That they wasted their money because they had five chicks, they had six homes, they had 12 cars, they blew all their money, and now you messing it up for somebody else. I don't feel sorry for them. I do not. This is a great example. This is a great example. And

people laugh at me when I've been preaching. I've been preaching for now, but damn near 20 years. Damn near 20 years. Damn near 20 years. It's impossible to maintain the lifestyle that you're afforded to live when you're playing the game. You lose sight of reality. You lose sight of logic. You lose sight of common sense.

Being able to budget and feeling that this money will always be coming in because you make hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions as an NBA player you got to take care of your chicken you got to you got to save for a rainy day because you're going to end up in situations like this

where you want to continue to maintain that lifestyle even when you're done playing and it's impossible to do it's impossible there is nothing. Chat, stay with me real quick now. Stay with me real quick.

Think about what can you do in life in general as an athlete? I'm just going to throw a figure out there. Well, you could make $250,000, $350,000, or $650,000 a week. A week, huh? In a six fifty a week. A week, huh? In a six month span. What can you, there's nothing, nothing you can do. So you got to plan

accordingly. If you're making a hundred million. Right. Have a five year goal. Or have somebody that you trust with your finances and setting things up to make sure you don't... Hell, even I had a budget

when I was playing. And I refused... Huh? Yeah, you better. Yeah, I refused to go over that budget. I refused to go over that monthly budget. And I would hope I didn't. So whatever I did spend,

it can fall into the next line for the next month. And I got a little extra to spend. But you get caught up in the lifestyle. You get caught up in the in the chicks and the jewelry and the IG and trying to look like you got and trying to impress all the people. Man, it ain't worth it, man. It ain't worth it man it ain't it ain't worth it man no made for this mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles break free from the chains of trauma and silence the negative voices that have kept them small through raw conversations real stories and actionable guidance you can learn to face the mountain that is in front of you you will never be able to change or grow through the thing that you refuse to identify. The thing that you refuse to say, hey, this is my mountain. This is the

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And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Because if you think about it, because here's the thing is that i don't know how nfl a baseball nba players maybe they get paid but you know you get a check basically from september until the end of the season and if you make the playoffs yeah you get playoff money but it's not nearly the money that you make in the regular season. Unless you're one of those lesser tier guys. One of those lesser tier guys, the playoff money

might be more than what they're actually getting during the course of the week. But with that being said, I get money from September to let's just say January, the end of January. September, October, November, December, January, February. So let's just say

the end of January. That's five months. I'm going to get money. February, March, April, December, January, February. So let's just say the end of January. That's five months. I'm going to get money. February, March, April, May, June, July, August. Ain't no money coming in. Are you still living in that apartment? Do you still have a mortgage? Do you still have car payments? If you have kids, are those kids still going to daycare?

Are they in private school? So because you're still spending like from September to January, but ain't no money coming in from February through August. So now what? So imagine that. Now I'm saying you playing in the NFL and you got a

five-month period in which money is coming in. Now you lead the league. Where the money coming in at, Ocho? It ain't. Hold on. So you mean to tell me you ain't got no money coming in,

but you still big balling? You still buying balls? You still got tables? Yeah, a lot of people. You still traveling? Have this mindset. They love to throw the word investment out. I'm not a gambling man.

I'm not a bet man. But investments are cool. Some are high risk, low reward. And I've heard so many horror stories about people that are investing, investing in this, investing in that, expecting a quick turnaround, hoping that later on in the future that this investment, it turns into fruition. Nine times out of 10, it really never works that way.

I'm just being honest. It never works that way because if it did work that way for all the athletes that make all this money when they're playing, then the ability to sustain a lifestyle that many portray, you would see it. It would be shown. And if you look at it through every era,

through every era of football, you ever notice once players stop playing the game of football that the lifestyle has to change? It has always changed. Can you show me, Unc, one player from your era, and I'm thinking of those that are in my era, that still live the exact same lifestyle if it was flashy, if it was above their means,

that they, when they're doing their playing days and continue to live it once they were done playing. It's impossible. No. Man, I said,

I got my ass straight in year three. In year three, I had already made up my mind, you know, while I'm still playing, you know what I'm going to be able to do? I'm going to live a certain lifestyle right now. And I'm going to stick to it because I thought to myself,

hell, if I can get my name just as big, stay with me now, if I can get my name just as big stay with me now if I can get my name just my name alone just as big as anything I can purchase then there would be no need for me to need all the accessories and the aesthetics

there's no need for the high-end fashion there's no need for the Lamborghini and the Rolls Royce because bitch I'm Ocho so I got my name to a point where none of the fucking glitz and glamour mattered because wherever I went, you already knew who it was. So it wasn't necessary as opposed to others.

Well, you know what I mean? NFL, everybody doesn't know me because I don't have the visibility. I always have a helmet on, so I have to put on the accessories for the attraction to get who I want. Hey, look, I mean, and if I can get players to understand, if you can handle your business on the field, it's

a little different now because everybody's a brand, you got social media and all this stuff. I didn't have that. So I had to build mine, I had to get mine out the mud. How y'all, oh Joe, people in the chat say I seem judgmental. Right. Because the guy

that was in the NBA, let's just say for the sake of argument, Big Baby made $50 million. Let's just say for the sake of argument, he made $50 million. How am I judgmental?

Am I supposed to say, oh, I feel bad for Big Baby? Hey, tell the chat, look at the... Tell the chat, chat real quick. Do me a favor. Look at the stats.

Look at the stats on the number of NBA players that go broke once they're done playing. Two years removed. Hell, NFL. Look at the stats on the NFL players that go broke once they're done playing. I'm not judging him. It's dumb. He dumb. He wasted his money.

You can't get mad at me because Ocho and I are pointing out things that guys did that caused him to be in this situation. He chose this. You get mad at us. You're not mad at Big Baby that he defrauded the system that was in place to help him and help others. He's not the only one that's on hard times. In other words, if I fall on hard times, damn anybody else. Let me

go get it. Sometimes I don't get us. I don't get us. Because, look, I understood when I took responsibility. I had kids and had them back to back to back. They're my responsibility. And as I told my age, I had the same age of 27 since 1996.

So 28 years, September be 28 years. I've had Marvin. And he asked me, he said, what, what do you want for yourself? I said, Marvin, I want to live the same lifestyle right now. 25 years. You got any kids? I got three. How old? I told him how old he was. He said, well, go get me all your financials.

Only thing I own was a house, Ocho. That's the only thing I had. And cars that were already paid for. He said, well, this is what we need to do. You need to do this, this, this, and this. And what you need to do is start setting up stuff for college. So make sure no matter what happens to you the kids college because they shouldn't suffer yeah because you are reckless that's the one thing he told me hey i don't hey i'm gonna advise you here's the thing

about advisors i can advise ocho all i want to yeah Ocho made that money. Ocho is going to do what he wants to do. I can offer him all the advice that I want. But if Ocho, I can't make Ocho because Ocho is the one on the field taking those hits. He told me, he said, look here, if you want to be reckless and get careless with your money and not do what I advise you to do, the kids are going to be taken care of. Okay, cool. But I said, that's not good enough. I said, I still got a grandma and I got a sister. Boom, boom, boom.

So for me, oh, you don't go on no vacation. That's why I didn't go on no vacation. Because that was going to cost me money. So I was going to have to play. You know, I'm going to fly first class. Right. I'm going to stay in a five-star hotel. So now I'm spending $25,000, $30,000.

Nah, nah, nah, nah. I can divide it up times three. That's the key. So when the kids get ready to go to college, they're taken care of. Now, we're fortunate, Ocho. We were good enough that we could talk. We can talk the game. We got great personalities.

We're affable. We're likable. That we're able to parlay that. You and I have a podcast. I have Club Che Che. I'm on First Take. I did CBS as soon as I left the league for a decade. I did seven years on Undisputed.

So everybody is not fortunate. And you have to understand that. But I wasn't banking on being able to have that. So I was going to have to have the money that I made. Look, I was a seventh-round draft pick. I didn't start making a million dollars until, like, my fourth or fifth year in the league. So I had to make up. So, yeah, for sure.

So I'm like, okay, this is what i gotta do and so if i'm fortunate enough that i was able to like get money and from a cbs for 10 years say out of two years now for me ocho i was like man i really want to get back on television i say but you know and my agent was telling me say out of sight out of mind thinking to myself, like, what can I do? They call around. It's like, what if you did, what if you broke down three or four games, pay for it out of your own pocket, get somebody to edit it and put it on your own Facebook page. Boom. Say no more. Every week, $14,000. Do three. They edit. They cut it every week. That's what I did out of my own pocket. Now, mind you, ain't no money coming in.

That's just so I hope ESPN or somebody would see, notice me and say, man, I like I like the way you break down the game. I like the way you'll, yeah, it happened, but everybody, but still, even if those things didn't happen, I'm not going to defraud somebody because I know having played in the NFL and I don't give it to me. I don't need it. Give it to somebody that is not as fortunate or didn't play in the era in which they made the money that I made. I don't need nothing. I'm good. So anytime the NFL or the Hall of Fame ask me to do something and they want to pay me, nah, just give it to the players

that need it more than I do. I don't need it. Shannon is good. Shannon's been blessed. God has blessed Shannon. Gave me the ability to play the game for an extended period of time. He gave me the opportunity to talk, to be able to articulate

my points, have a strong point of view on television. I'm good, but I don't get, I don't like people to play. I don't like people to do stuff like that, man. Don't cheat the system, especially when you had an opportunity to beat the system. Oh, you know how fortunate an opportunity to beat the system. You know how fortunate

we are to play a game. That's a child's game and you get paid a person's salary. A heavy ransom. I mean, listen, it all comes down to discipline. It all comes down to financial discipline. They had the rookie symposium. I'm sure

they have the resources in the NBA teaching you how to manage your money, understanding how to deal with the women, understanding how to deal with the chicks. Again, fellas, a lot of fellas out there. I'm in the chat. I know some of y'all are going to see this in the NBA. Some of y'all are going to see this in the NFL.

Entourages, and there's one person. They all eating off one person. That money goes fast. It goes fast. Wasn't that a TV series or a movie? Entourage? It goes fast. It goes fast.

I know people look at it today, especially today's game, the players that are playing right now. Oh, I'm making way more than we made when we was playing back then. But again, if you're making more, then you're spending more, especially when the structure

and the financial discipline ain't there. So the fact that you're making way more money as opposed to when we did, when we were playing, it don't make it none. It don't make it none. It's going to run out every time. I'm telling you.

So when the era that's playing right now, when the era that's playing right now, when the era that's playing right now is done 10, 11 years from now, when I'm what? I'll be 65 then? I'm still going to be living the same exact lifestyle. The same way. Yes. I just hope to be living.

God willing. God willing. God willing. God willing. God willing. God willing. That's it. But like I said, I understood what I wanted. I wanted my family out of the environment. My brother, that was really the only thing that my brother and I, we talked about.

We didn't really ever talk about girls or anything. He's like, man, I just want to make some money and get granny out of this situation. Yeah, me too, man. Man, you go, I don't know, man. I just... Right. That was all I thought about.

And the thing is, still to this day, like anybody that comes into my life, they understand. Right. I got you. Yeah.

I got your mom too. I got your mom and your dad. But you best believe Mary Alice Dixon, Cheryl Sharp, oh, Sterling Sharp. Oh, absolutely. If your mom and dad need something,

we good. But you best believe, don't ever, don't ever. I got into a lot of this. Well, why you call this my money? You see these hips? You see this my money? You see the hips. You see this eye socket. You see this collarbone that's broken.

And when I didn't have a damn thing. I could go to my sister's boyfriend. She tell a gift sharing $50 when I didn't have anything. My grandma was sending me $5, putting it in newspapers so they couldn't see it in the mail room and take it. My brother made sure I had. So they good for life. So, like I

said, that's how I am. I'm always going to rock my family. We're going to disagree. Family disagree. My brother don't agree with everything I say. My sister don't agree. I don't agree with them. We get upset, but guess what? They know I got them.

And that's the way you gotta be, Ojo. No arguments anymore. Obviously, mom is gone. Grandma is gone. So, my nucleus obviously is my kids. I got my brother Chauncey. I got my brother Sam.

And that's it. I don't have much overhead. You know, obviously, I have a lot of kids. I am thankful. Thankful for those I have kids from because they are the reason

this train is continuing to move and able to move the way it does because there is no ill intent. They understand. They've always understood what the end goal was at the end of the day for the betterment of the child, which is why they're all striving well and they're respecting crabs and what they do. Like no issues, no issue. I just, I just, for some reason I got lucky, Even though I didn't do things the traditional way, the way I did do it,

it works well, which is why every time you ever notice, I always praise those because they're individuals in my life that can make life live in hell. And it would be no way

it would be going the way it's going on this track. But it's about... Right. Oh, man on this track. What do I, what? Right. Oh, man. They definitely could have, they could have made it tough. I see, I see.

We got, we had, we had our disagreements on Twitter. I see some of the stuff on Instagram and, and boy, I'm not going to get in that and change the subject, but. It happens. I mean, look, we were all young.

I had kids at a young age their mom was young we had disagreements and like i told us to look i mean y'all got me out here stretched out like this here and people think i'm putting hands on y'all and they all they see is shannon has eight this and eight that they don't realize those those are child modification hearings all they see is eight ten 10, 10 sharp in court. But there was a child modifications want more money. I was like, look, look how y'all got me out here. Y'all got people think I'm out here reckless and I'm doing all this crazy stuff. Y'all don't do y'all even care. I say, because at some point in time, these kids are going to get old.

They're going to be able to see this stuff. And they're going to say, well, mom, why was why was Shannon? Why was Shannon in court? My daddy was in court five times, six times, eight times, ten times. And then what y'all going to say? But he was paying for private school. He paying for college. He paying for everything. So why? He said, come on now.

We better. This is unnecessary. I'm assuming you weren't I'm assuming I'm assuming you weren't as fortunate in that area I for me this is weird this is weird of me to say

and the chat probably won't probably won't agree but I like child support I like child support when I was playing because I wanted to be able

to focus on the game of football now the child support for me I enjoyed the structure of it because I need to be focused on this. So, I had no problem

with the structured child support that I had going on because, listen, I need to focus on the game. Whatever you need, whatever the child needs, it's going to be taken care of. So, when things changed

and football was no longer coming around, like, everybody was okay. They understood that. You get them going. Others, sometimes when you have kids, oh, they trying to take you through the ringer. You know, when the money's not the same, oh, they trying to find ways to continue

to keep that train of that trail of money always going. Oh, no issues. No issues at all. And you know what and ocho it and even when i left the game you got to realize i left the game my kids were barely teenagers and and and my people like well oh you go okay you don't go for child modification i said no i said because the kids have already been established to this lifestyle if they go down if they go down the list they're not going to be able to have that.

That's not their fault. They didn't ask to come, and they didn't ask to be put in the situation. No, we're going to keep everything the same. Now, mind you, Ocho, my kids, you get insurance five years after you retire. After that, man, you know what insurance is for teenage kids? Yeah. Well, you ain't got to tell me. They can have kids. You know I know.

Yeah. I'm putting that. Ain't got no problem. But that's my responsibility because I've made them. I promised my grandma. She's like, okay, boy. That's the only thing my grandma said. Take care of them kids. Okay, granny. No problem. But that's all I've said. That's the only thing I ended up telling my kids' mom. It's like, y'all got people out here thinking I'm crazy.

Because every time, Shannon, you know, because it's public record. Oh, Shannon got in. And people still like, well, you've been to court 10 times. Right. Well, it's child modification. They want to bump and pay. No, Shannon and I have been reckless. Shannon and I are here doing what he's supposed to do,

trying to be the best person he can be, trying to be the best father he can be. And hey, I give them credit because they did do a great job of explaining to the kids, your dad has to do this so you can have that. And they let me get the kids during the summer. I put them in summer camp.

Hey, what y'all want to do? They go to summer camp for three weeks. We do, you know, we do stuff. We go out to eat. We go to, at that point in time, ESPN zone. Hey, what you know about that? What you know about ESPN zone, man? I take them to ESPN.

I take them to ESPN zone. You know, and so we play, you know, I got a blackjack table. I'm teaching them how to play blackjack. We play a monopoly. We play all the board games. I got, you know, I ain't no video. I ain't no video game, but, you know, they want to play video games.

They love it because they got something they can beat me in. So we, you know, we did a lot. I did a lot when the time that I had them, especially like Friday, Saturdays, and Sundays. I'm training during the week, but they could, hey, we go into the movies every weekend. Dad, let's go to the movies, okay? I'll put them in the movie theater and say, look, I'll come back and get you X amount of time.

Hey. Yeah. Ice is this big. Why both of y'all need a large, a large, a bucket of popcorn? Why two of y'all, y'all eight,

nine years old, why y'all can't share a bucket of popcorn? But everybody got to get a jumbo popcorn. Everybody got to get a jumbo slushy. Everybody got to get candy. I'm like, really? I love that.

Do you know what it feel like? You know, I never had an entourage before. You know, I had friends, I had friends, that was it but it's something about

when I have all the kids together and it's about 11 it's about 11 of us I'm somebody it's 11 I'm somebody that says 11 of us all together man you know

look dog you have to rent out the hotel when we mobbing through an airport or we mobbing in Jamaica or we in the Bahamas we in the D.R. I'm talking about dog thatbing in Jamaica? Are we in the Bahamas? Are we in the DR? That is one of the best feelings

in the world, man. I love it. Hell, you know, it's summertime almost here. Now we got our annual trip every summer. I'm taking all the kids to Dubai. Man, listen. Wow. Can I go?

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I mean, the numbers are there. The numbers have always been there. That's why I've continued to preach it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Not only have I preached it over and over and over, I actually lived the lifestyle.

Lived it. Lived it. I've lived everything I've preached over and over and over. I actually lived the lifestyle. Lived it. Lived it. I've lived everything I've preached over the years. Everything. Smart card. Jewelry from Claire's. Okay. Now I kind of chained up buying pieces here and there that are real.

But just, dog. Yeah, you should treat yourself. And everybody always say, hey, they get caught up in the lifestyle, they get caught up in the image and having to look a certain way because you play a certain sport. You got to drive a certain car because you're in the NFL.

You're trying to impress this one. You're trying to impress that one. It makes no sense. I tell fellas all the time in the NFL, it makes no sense once you make it. Once your name goes across that ticker at the bottom, it doesn't even matter. They already think you got it. Once your name goes across that ticker at the bottom, it doesn't even matter. They already think you got it.

You in the NFL, you come pick them up on a bicycle. They'll hop right on the back of that mug. Or ride on the handlebars like we used to do. You know we used to ride

on the handlebars. It don't even matter at that point. We put somebody on the handlebars and somebody on the backseat. We stand up and pedal. The women, the women, they We stand up and peddle. The women, the women, they've already done their

Googles. They've done their Googles. They know what you're making. So you don't need to be in the club popping bottles and the whole section spending $20,000 and $30,000. You ain't got to do that. They're going to go home with you anyway. Whoever you want to talk to, they're going to talk to you anyway. Yeah, so it is what it is. I just want you guys to talk to, they're going to talk to you anyway. Yeah, so it is what it is.

I just wish guys, you know, did a better job of thinking. Because, Ocho, you know everybody think they're going to play forever. Ocho, you know everybody think they're going to have a Tom Brady career. What? Hey, that's hard. Hey. That's hard that's hard bro there's a reason why he's the only only position player to play that length of time you've had kickers to play but that's we say position we talk about

one of the positions that's not a specialty you know i'm saying like a kicker or punter those guys can play snappers but we talk about quarterback wide receiver running back o-line d-line line, one of those. Bro, you're not going to play that long. Man, stack that paper. And there is no reason now with the money that they guys make now. Man, please. Ocho, the Lakers plan to sign LeBron to any term that he wants.

The Lakers are hoping to retain LeBron this offseason. Dave McMiniman reported the Lakers intend to have LeBron to any term that he wants. The Lakers are hoping to retain LeBron this offseason. Dave McMiniman reported the Lakers intend to have LeBron James come back on any terms he want to, whether it be a one-year deal, two-year deal, three-year deal, whatever. They love to continue to have LeBron James in the purple and gold until he calls it quits, whenever

that may be. No surprise. He's still playing at an elite level. He gave you 25, 8, and 7 this year. He's still playing at an elite level he gave you 25, 8, 7 this year he's still box office he's still playing he's shown no signs of decline

and it's the Lakers the Lakers are about stars when you go there's only a couple handful of places go to the Laker games and you see all the stars lined up. You go to the Knicks game. You see all the stars lined up.

That's what it's about. Right. Stars attract stars. I'm glad you just said that. Go ahead. Because that's leading me right into my question. Again,

Chad, y'all stay with me. Now I'm learning this basketball thing on the fly. Give me another year or two I'm going to be like Doris Burke and Uncle And Stephen A talking about this I'm going to be able to talk about this shit in depth I'm telling you

So LeBron has a play option If it's an any-term deal He wants We'll stop in any other NBA team Making a run for him Because you understand Even at his age When you add LeBron to a roster,

to me, from the outside looking in and watching him throughout the years, it makes that team an immediate contender for a final, especially if he goes to the right place. So is there a chance

he leaves LA.A.? Or is he staying there? And I know he won't be, I know LeBron's not the greedy type because he makes so much off the court. Will he take a hometown discount so they can add another piece?

Another big piece? No. I remember LeBron James said after he took that play cut in Miami, and if I'm not mistaken in chat, you can correct me if I'm wrong. He says, I'll never play on anything less than a max deal again.

Because he's saying it's not his job to fix out how to bit people under the cap and do all that other stuff. So, no, I don't believe he does i think he has the one year he has the player option right he could opt out of that and sign another two-year deal with a player option he could opt out and sign you know just

a one-year deal it's his choosing i think lebron i think he believes that the level that he's playing that currently he believe he can play that currently he can play that level, he can hold that level for another two. That's the thing. So how about you don't pigeonhole the team? Because think about what you just said. In Miami, he said, I will never ever play on anything other than a MAAC contract.

But when he wasn't on the MAAC contract and allowed the other pieces to be a part of the team, what did he win? Two what? Mm-hmm. He won two championships. Case closed right there. I done solved it.

I done solved it. You take a little bit less because you make so much away from the game of basketball. You get you another three-headed monster to pair with you in AD. Another score.

Hell, no Kevin Durant right down the street. You know, Phoenix ain't too far. Yeah. But the thing is, Ocho, when you say... I mean, let's just say for the sake of argument, if you say, okay, Shannon, I need you... Okay, Shannon, you can make $55, $56 million.

I need you to go down to, say, $48. He's not going down to $20 million, Ocho. That's disrespect. That's disrespect for a player of his caliber. That's what I'm saying. But see, but the player option is $51 right now, right? That's the player option, $51.

Yes. With it being LeBron, I can see LeBron say, okay, it's $51. I can go down to 45. Because I can make up the million that I'm missing in other areas. So many other areas based on what he has going on. He ain't finna miss that.

Yeah, he probably does 70, he probably does 70, 80 million off the floor. Again, that's why I said he's one of the few that can do, you know what? Tom Brady in New England. Married to the richest. But... The richest. Bringing in 44 million a year.

You know what? I think it's okay. I can take these pay cuts so we can build the team necessary around me to make sure we're a contender year in, year out. And look how many chips they won.

Six of them. Ocho, what billionaire you know got to be a billionaire by giving discounts and giving money away? They might give that away once they get to a certain level. But the one thing we know about them, they

don't need any more money, but they don't need any less either. You're right about that. Yeah. It's reported that he's building a $100 million home up in Brentwood. Now, what you think the likelihood of somebody building a $100 million let's just say Ocho. Ocho

building a $50 million home in Miami. You think Ocho interested in going somewhere else? No. Okay. See, I didn't know No. No, that's not. Yeah, exactly. Okay, okay.

See, I didn't know that. See, now that piece of information leads me to believe he will be there. He'll be there. He'll be there. Y'all, are y'all looking Jeff Bezos started, so did Jeff Bezos did that when he was starting Amazon or after he had established Amazon?

Oh, yeah, right, right, right. Yes. I'm not saying people don't give money away, but it's once they establish that... Jeff Bezos is probably, on his dividend alone, he's probably doing $3 to $5 billion a month. God damn. Think about what you just said. Like, sit back and, like and close your eyes.

Chat, close your eyes and listen to what just said. What does he make a month? A month. Probably three to five billion. Huh? All you brainiacs out there, think of a service or a need

for the masses, and you too can be a billionaire but but see here's the thing everybody always says take a pay cut but if your job if your job says you know what let's just say for the sake of argument i'm gonna give who everybody's in the chat you make 150 000 a year and they say you, guys? We need you to take a 20% pay cut because we want to get Helen in payroll that's going to really help this company function at a high level. And then we

want to hire Carl in finances. Y'all doing it? Because remember, it's for the betterment of the team. You know, it's for the betterment of the team now. Because y'all quick to tell an athlete take a pay cut, take a pay cut, take a pay cut. But I'm just asking

for the betterment of the team would y'all be willing to take a pay cut to get Helen and HR and call in finance? Hell no. But y'all quick to tell an athlete and people always say

I would never. Oh oh Joe I was that person I remember when I was growing up and I saw somebody spent $500,000 I said man I'd never spend $500,000 for a house or I'd never spend $75,000 or $100,000 for a watch you say that because you're in the position

that you're in once you get to a certain level you do things. You think differently. Most definitely. Did you ever think, Ocho, you would spend $500 for a pair of sneakers, considering that we're buying

Pro-Cars and Chuck Taylors for $25 when we were growing up? Never thought about it. Speaking of shoes, you remember Travel Fox? $25 when we was growing up? Never ever did. Hell no. Never thought about it. Oh, speaking of, speaking of shoes, you remember Travel Fox? You remember, you remember Elysee?

Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

What about, what about Ruse? Remember Ruse with the zip on the side? Remember Ruse? Man, that? Look, look,

look at this one. Look at it. Look at this one. Look at this one. She just woke up in the, at the Look at this one. Look at this one. Look at this one. She just woke up at a nap. Nah, I ain't the... That's the baby? Yeah, come here.

That Rell? Yeah, she's here. Rell! Rell, what you doing up this time with that Rell? Hey, um... Rell, what's going on? I got on my pajamas. That's fine.

He always want to put me in the camera looking hot mess up. You my mess. What you doing up this time of night, Rae? I went to bed early. Had a long day today. How early is early? Well, see, you know what?

You need to get your husband out there and get them working, too. Because two can stack paper better than one. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait, sit me down, man. I'm working, I'm working. Matter of fact, you're not allowed to say what you're doing, huh?

No. Okay, never mind, never mind. Never mind. Okay. Hey, Ray, I got to tell you what Ocho making so you can cut some of his bread. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Time out, time out, time out.

You do understand I'm in a very fortunate situation to where she's the breadwinner. She brings in more money, which is why I don't want to sign them papers. I'm trying to protect myself. Don't worry about it, Ray. I'm trying to protect myself. I mean, listen, listen, we have to do that. Look how women have done us throughout the years. Look how they've done us throughout the years.

We've always come on the losing end because when they decide they want to leave, they take half everything. They take half the money and all the hoo-ha. You said it just right. So, listen, I'm trying to protect myself. If she wakes up one day, you know how women are. One day they love you Monday.

On Friday, they wake up. They don't feel the same no more. That's life. That's the reality of life. And I try to stay within the realms of reality. So if she decides, you know, she don't want to be here no more, I need the protection. Why would I sign a prenup? If you leave, I want half

of what you got. And that's final. I don't care what people think about me. I don't care. Shit. And you can take your hoo-ha, just leave me the kids. Take your hoo-ha. But that's what they normally do. They take half the money and all the hoo- that's that there ain't no fair trade to me Hey judge, you gotta leave. She gotta leave 30 over here with me 30

On month on mondays and third on mondays and third that she got to drop it off That's all i'm saying but it's a thursday drop it off That's a good one Hey Oh, that's a good one. Hey, Suns fired Frank Vogel. Phoenix fired Frank Vogel after just one season. The decision comes after the number six seed Suns was swept by the number three seed, the Timberwolves, in the first round.

Three of the first four, three of the first round losses came by double digit. The Suns brought in Vogel on a reported five-year, $31 million deal last offseason to replace Monte Williams. Phoenix then went out and acquired Bradley Beal to form the Big Three, along with Kevin Durant and Devin Booker. But the star-studded Suns didn't come close to reaching their championship aspirations. They finished sixth in the Western Conference with a record of 49-33, ased mr bradley bill missed 29 regular season game booker missed 14 carry the rent seven i i got my i got my hand up so i'm waiting on a call me

because call on me because i feel like i'm in class as i'm learning the nba okay can i can i can i can i ask a question okay okay so the sun job, again, for me, surface level, from the outside looking in, Bradley Beal, Devin Booker, Kevin Durant. I'm thinking all world, perfect. Who wouldn't want a coach there? But when I look at it, is a son job a trap job in the NBA. Because I think it's a setup for failure because I'm thinking management, whatever coach they bring in, with a team like that,

with a three-headed monster like that, with players of that caliber, especially with the kind of money they're being paid, I think it's championship or bust. So it is a setup. It is. Mm-hmm. Well,

well, who's the best fit? You know NBA coaches. You know NBA coaches better than I do. What coach out there that's available is the best fit for that situation knowing that if you don't win a championship, immediately

you probably won and done. Well, here's the thing. They seem to be, all arrows seem to be pointing towards Mike Budenhoser, who was the head coach of the Milwaukee Bucks just a year ago. And then they fired him, fired Bud, and then brought in Adrian Griffin, who they fired him 43 games into the and then brought in Adrian Griffin, who they fired him 43 games into the season and brought in Doc Rivers. And so Monte Williams went to Detroit.

They brought in Frankie V, gave him a five-year deal, $31 million to coach their big three. And the big three comes with expectations, Ocho. You see, the championship, that's what it comes down to. It's really that simple. It's sad. That's what it's come down to because everything is about championships because we've made it.

Forget that. If you don't want to – see, the thing is now, if you don't want a championship, you're a bum. I mean – That's – it's sad, but that's what it is. You're a bum. And so the the ain't there is no more developing they say well once we put it together it's like oh joe if we put chocolate caramel and peanuts together it's supposed to be great candy nothing else yeah i don't want to hear

nothing we gave you three of the best ingredients that you could possibly have for candy. And so when you put three top-level players together, people automatically assume that you're supposed to win a championship. And when you don't, they're going to bust it up. That's messed up. So you answer my question. It's basically a trap job.

I'm not sure why anyone would want that, but it is what it is. For the money? For the money. How are you going to come in coaching knowing you're're gonna be fired if it doesn't work out? Just for the money? But I'm gonna take $30 million with me. Hey, since we on

basketball, I just want to show you these, see if you remember these. Avia? Yeah, avias. Those are avia, right? Avia is 880s. Yeah, Avia's. Those are Avia, right? Avia's 880s. Yeah, I remember.

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