Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Mavericks take control, Lakers interested in JJ Redick

Episode Date: May 12, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Saturday NBA Playoff slate with Jayson Tatum and the Boston Celtics taking down the Cleveland Cavaliers, Luka Doncic and the Dallas Mavericks beating Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and the Oklahoma City Thunder in game 3, the Lakers showing interesting in JJ Redick to be their next head coach, and much more!04:01 - Show Starts04:36 - Celtics beat Cavs14:07 - Mavs win over OKC30:16 - Nuggets beat Timberwolves34:10 - Lakers head coach search50:33 - Malik Nabers and Daniels call bet off (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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patience. I cannot thank you enough for your patience and your gratitude. Please go follow my media pages on all platforms, Shea Shea Media and my clothing company, 84. The handles are listed below. I would greatly, greatly appreciate that. Ocho, let's jump right into it. The Celtics beat the Cavs, go on the road, take back home court, 106 to 93. Big night for Jason Tatum.

He led the Celtics in points, 33, rebounds, 13, assists, 6, got 28 points from his sidekick. Hard to say he's a sidekick, but his co-host, Jalen Brown, gave him 28. The Celtics, there have been three Celtics with at least 30 points in 25 games. Larry Bird, John Havlicek, Jason Tatum.

That's it. We understand the storied history of the Boston Celtics. Three players in the history of that franchise have had at least 25 30-point playoff games. Larry Bird, John Havlicek, Jason Tatum. And boy, do they need it. Because Jason Tatum has not been playing well in these playoffs. He could ill afford to have a situation where the Cavaliers, game two, go on the road,

steal home court from the Celtics, but they needed this type of game from JT. He gave it to them, 33 points, 13 rebounds, 6 assists, led the team in points, rebounds, assists, and they snatched back home court, 106-93. Ocho, what did you like tonight from what you saw

from the Celtics? I thought, I mean, I asked you before, we talked a few days ago, I mean, what were the chances in the Cavs actually winning this series? And you and Gil politely told me they don't really have a chance as long as the Celtics come out and play the type of game they played tonight. They need Jason Tatum to play well.

I'm waiting on Derek Wright to show up and do what he did the last series. I'm waiting on Derek Wright to have one of those shooting nights. Obviously, Drew Holiday contributed tonight his 13, 15, 5, and 5 playoff game. And that's cool. As long as Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum show up, I think the Celtics have a good chance at winning the East in general, period. And I mean, it was an exciting game for me. It's what I expected. Again, I hear a lot

of people get upset at me about me not having a knowledge for the game of basketball, but I'm learning. I'm learning really well. You know how you can tell? I'm talking fucking fast. When I'm talking fast, I know what I'm talking about because I watched and I did my homework. I did my homework tonight. Listen, the Selzman did

what they needed to do. Again, Derek White. I need to see the Derek White that I saw in the last series. That was efficient from the field. I mean, tonight he was only 4 for 13. He only had 12 points. I need to see the guy shooting and being efficient, putting the ball on the floor, driving to the basket

that I saw against in the last series. And that's pretty much it. I like the Cavs. Again, when I look at the Cavs, if Garland is not on, if Garland is not playing well, I see the Cavs as a one-headed monster led by Donovan. Yeah.

And he cannot, he cannot. He just cannot do it by himself. It has to be a complete team effort. And what I've learned about basketball is night in and night out, there are ups and downs. Sometimes you're cold. Sometimes you're warm.

Sometimes you're on. Sometimes you're warm. Sometimes you're on. Sometimes you're off. It got to be a collective effort from the Cavs if they're going to want to stay in this series and make it at least a challenge for the better part. Well, they got 33. We know they got 61 from their dynamic duo

Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. But Holiday shipped in tonight. He was 7-10 from the floor, 3-4 from the three-point line. He had eight rebounds and five assists. Derek White, as you mentioned, he gave him 12 points. But as long as one of those other two, as long as either Derek White or Holiday comes along, can give them somewhere 18-20.

But they really need Jason Tatum. They're not going to win. They're not going to win with Jason Tatum unless he can produce at a very high level. And he's the cog. He's the key that turns this thing. Yes, we know Jalen Brown. I like Jalen Brown. I think he's more athletic.

He can get to the rim. He can finish. But JT, man, he has it all. He got the mid-range. He can shoot the three. He can get to the rim. He can finish. But JT, man, he has it all. He got the mid-range. He can shoot the three. He can finish with either hand. And, you know, a lot of times tonight, he was taking a challenge. You know, he was taking Donovan Mitchell. He was playing Garland. They were doing a lot of... Because they switch everything.

They switch everything. And that's what makes them so unique. You got an all-NBA defender in Holiday. You got an all-NBA defender in Derek White. Tatum and JB, they're very athletic. They can switch. Al Horford is a premier defender. So they like to switch everything.

They don't like to trap anybody. They don't like to blitz anybody. They feel they can take anybody one-on-one and do a great job of neutralizing them. But as long as Tatum and Brown play like they're playing and they can get Derek White or Holiday to come along with them, they're going to be just fine. I just don't

think the Cavs have enough offense, especially with Garland not playing as well as he needs to play to go along with Donovan. Because Spider is going to give you what he does. Spider is a playoff, he's a big-time playoff guy. And he's going to give you great

production. Garland can't give you 15 when a guy, he's need to give you 25. Because if one guy give you 33, because you see what you got from the Celtics, Big 2?

You got 61. The other team gave you 48. The other Big 2 gave you 48. And listen, now it all comes to fruition. Now it makes sense to me when we talk about NBA players and obviously I'm from the outside

looking in. Now I'm learning a little bit. I'm learning a little bit more. Now that I'm somewhat submerged into it and learn the ins and outs and the nuance of the game of basketball, now I see with the inconsistencies in the playoff where you can't rely on everybody, some teams have a one-headed monster, some have a two, sometimes have a three. And even if you have a three-headed monster, the inconsist two. Sometimes they have a three. And even if you have a three-headed monster, the inconsistency from the top players ain't always consistent as it should be. Now I see why certain players always want to have a super team.

You see? Now, if I know I get somebody that can be efficient 89, 90% of the time, I think my chances are better as opposed to playing with role players that are off and on each and every night and you never know

what you're going to get. Yeah, because role players normally play better at home than on the road. And another thing is because you start... That matters in basketball too? Hell yeah, it matters.

Wait, I'm confused. Crowd noise doesn't affect you playing the game of basketball, huh? They just play better for whatever reason. Role players play better at home than they do playing the game of basketball, huh? They just play better for whatever reason. Role players play better at home than they do on the road. Also, you cut your bench.

Where in the regular season, you might play 9 to 10. Now you're going to play 8. Now you're going to play 7. And so now you really need those guys to play because now you're not going to have the depth on the bench that you normally would have. So now you really need your players to play well and guys that come in off the bench,

you need them to play their role and do what they normally do in the regular season. So the length of time they play when the playoffs comes, it increases. No. You cut your bench. So you might play 10 guys in the regular season. You're going to cut that down to seven and eight.

That's confusing me. So you got play 10 guys in the regular season. You're going to cut that down to seven and eight. That's infusing me. So you got, okay, you start five. Right. And so you might have a 10-man rotation. Right. Once the playoffs start,

you're going to cut that down to eight, maybe even seven because your guys are going to play more minutes. You're going to see guys playing in the 40s, 42, 44.

You'll see a Josh Hart play three, four games where he plays all 48 minutes. So the guyss, 42, 44. You see a Josh Hart play three, four games where he plays all 48 minutes. So the guys that you normally, like your bench, normally 10 deep, they're not going to get those minutes because your star players are going to play more minutes.

And the two or three guys that you play coming off the bench, they're going to be in the high 20s, maybe even 30s. So now, because of that, I really need to get the production from the guys that I'm counting on. And when the guys come off the bench,

I really need you to carry your load. Because, look, you can only play your guys 48 minutes so many games before you wear them down. And if it's a long series, the last thing you want is to get into a long series

and your guys have played 44, 45, 46 minutes the first five games and all of a sudden you got to go a seven game series and you're asking them to play because the games are starting to go back to back. Now you're playing every other day. I like it. But give the Celtics credit.

They showed you why they're the number one seed in the East. They showed you why they won 64 ballgames because it was a game like this. They got demolished at home. But I think the Cavs' only chance they have, Ocho, is that they're going to have to shoot them out the gym from the three. You see the difference in the ballgame from the three? The other night they made 18, 19 threes.

Tonight they only made 12. The Celtics made 13. The other night they was 9 of like 30. Excuse me, sorry. So even if they don't hit their 20, as long as they make more threes than the other team, because they're going to get them up now. Because everything is predicated on the three ball for the Celtics.

They're going to drive and kick. They're looking to do anything, get into the lane and kick. Now, occasionally, JT will pull up over the top. JB will pull up over the top, but they're looking because the guys are spread out. Al Horford's behind the three-line. Derek White's behind the three-line. Holiday, Pritchard, Hauser came in and

made some big shots for him coming in off the bench. And that's what you need. But unless the Cavs can replicate what they did in Game 2, a la what the Heat did in Game 2, on the road, unless they can replicate that, did in game two, a la what the Heat did in game two on the road, unless they can replicate that, I really don't see them having enough firepower to overtake the Celtics. Nah, it ain't going to happen.

It ain't going to happen. The Mavs won their second game in a row and take over home. Hey, PJ, go ahead. I'm going to let you finish. I'm going to let you finish. Let me go first, though. Let me go first. Okay.

The Mavs won their second straight game on the road and run their second straight game in a row over the Thunder to take a 2-1 series lead. PJ Washington continued his dominant playing, scoring, scoring a game, a team high, 27 points on 11 of 23 shooting with five made threes. Luka and Kyrie both had 22 points. Kyrie dished out seven assists, and Luka grabbed 15 rebounds.

Kyrie this postseason in the first half, he's only scoring 6.3 a game. But in the second half, he looks like Kyrie. On a 50-50 split, he's shooting 57% from the floor, 54% from the three, and we saw he did what he did against the Nuggets with that left hand. He put the ball on the floor. He dips the dude, split the seam between two defenders, got the ball up with the left hand, and for all intents

and purposes, ended the game. But the Mavs win. They take a 2-1 series lead. We know the last game, they took home court away from OKC by winning on the road game two. They win game three, take a 2-1 series lead. Take off. Hey, PJ Washington. Hey, PJ, I know you're going to see this.

I know you're going to see this. Boy, you're the real deal, boy. You're the real deal. Boy, that back-to-back game, 25-plus points, huh? Yeah. If Luka Doncic has an off night, if Kyrie has an off night,

and they're not shooting well, Kyrie likes to turn it on when he wants to. He can pick and choose who he wants to turn on. Sometimes he'll facilitate in the first half, and then times he'll take over when he needs to take over in the fourth or third quarter. Boy, if P.J. Washington could stay in this rhythm of consistency

and confidence, man, Mavs got a good chance, man. Mavs got a good chance. man. Man's got a good chance. What I do need, what I do need, and I mean, no disrespect, no disrespect by this. Daniel Gafford,

Derrick Jones Jr., you got to give me something, baby. You got to, you got to give me something. I ain't asking much. I just learned, Uncle just told me

and taught me about how when you get to the playoffs, they cut down. So if they, Unc just told me and taught me about how when you get to the playoffs, they cut down. So if they, if the Madden cut down to seven or cut down to eight, that mean y'all got to be on that court. You got to contribute.

You got to give me something. I ain't ask for much, but just give me something. I'm learning the game of basketball. So I'm watching you. So I need you to give me something. So I have something that's to talk about

outside of PJ Washington and goddamn Kyrie and Luka. Come on, man. What's great about this is that Luka was 7 of 17, but P.J. is picking up the slack. Look, the thing that I can say about

Kyrie, Kyrie is taking the challenge defensively. If you notice, he's guarding Shea. He's guarding Jalen Williams. Their best two offensive weapons. He's taking on that assignment. He's like, okay, Luka, do your thing.

Now he sees in the fourth quarter, I need to turn it on. You look at it. The first three, four buckets, they get a ball to Kyrie. Kyrie go make it happen. Okay, now he's in a rhythm. P.J. Washington

never lost his rhythm. So now as Kyrie breaking the defense down, he can kick the P.J. in the corner. Bang, short porch. And so if you look at what they're doing, look at P.J. Washington. He played 40 minutes. Derrick Jones Jr., he played 36 minutes. Kyrie played

41 minutes. Luka played 40 minutes. Derrick Jones Jr., he played 36 minutes. Kyrie played 41 minutes. Luka played 40 minutes. You see, now, even Daniel Gafford played 20 minutes. Lively played 27 minutes. Lively would play even more, but they started the hack-a-shack,

the hack-a-lively, because late in the ballgame, they say, you know what? We're not stopping y'all from getting good shots. Let's just foul him. We'll roll the ballgame, they say, you know what? We're not stopping y'all from getting good shots. Let's just foul him. We'll roll the dice. Because we don't believe he's going to make both of them.

Nah. So we'll roll the dice. We think there's a greater chance he'll make one or miss both as opposed to making both. So even if he makes one, that's only one point. We come down, we can slash him into it like that. So they had to get him off the court to bring gaffer back in but he gives you so much defensively he's a big body presence he's going to challenge

everything at the rim he's great at lot you know when kairi and luca breaks the defense down getting to the lane he's great at he's great at finishing above the rim but they're starting they're stopping the game yeah because they hack him he go to the line, and there's no clock moving. Right. So he's going to have to get better, so that's going to be something that he has to work on, put some extra time in. But if you look at them, they played eight guys.

Dante Exum, who's one of their key contributors, he only played six minutes. Josh Green played 15 minutes. Like I said, Lively played 27 minutes. Even Hardaway only played 16 minutes, when the other night he played like 24 to 28 minutes. Josh Green played 15 minutes. Like I said, Lively played 27 minutes. Even Hardaway only played 16 minutes when the other night he played like 24 to 28 minutes. How do they pick and choose when they

want a player to play more minutes? As far as Hardaway only played 16 tonight but played 25-something the last game. Who makes that decision? The coach? Hot. Hot man stay in. Hot man stay in. Hot man, stay in. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

So if somebody cold, coach, man, you got to get him out of there. I got to get, you got to get him out of there. You got to get him out of there. Hey. You see, you see, you see game two? Yeah. Hardaway got it going. Yeah.

Hold on, man. Now, I know, I've never seen, I asked this, I asked before. If you don't want to come out the game and coach sub you out, what happens if you refuse to come out the game? It all depends who it is. Like, if you, I don't know if anybody noticed this, but Luka, he motioned for Gafford and P.J. Washington to come back in the game.

Even before Jason Kidd summoned, he looked at him and he motioned like, hey, get to the scoring stage. For real? Oh, yeah. The big guys like, hey, get to the scoring table. For real? Oh, yeah. The big guys like, hey, are you tired? No, man, I'm good. Hey, get to the table.

LeBron has that kind of catch. Right, right, right. Luka has that kind. Steph Curry has that kind of catch. Those are the big-name guys that do a lot of the ball handling like, hey, no, I need y'all. Come on, let's go. I don't know why it just hit me when you were talking about

Hardaway not playing as many minutes as he did the last time. Remember how I told you in the preseason games? Now, it's just preseason. I used to make Marvin Lewis call a timeout because I didn't want to come out the game.

Even though it's preseason, it meant that much to me to get myself in the rhythm. Now, no, I'm not going to have it. I could be in training camp. I could run 100 plays. It never will be the same as opposed to when you're playing live

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Because you think about it, the fourth wide receiver, he's not going to get that many targets. So when we come to you on third down, you've got to catch the ball to keep us on the field. The role players, when they come to you, you got to make that shot. Right. But, like, coach, bro, I just got in the game. I ain't even warm yet.

Right, right. Hey, you got, but see, that's why you got to, hey, you got to stay ready. Yeah. Like you said, we got a two-minute game, we got a two-minute drive going on. Hey, you done caught four or five, you done caught four or five passes, we got a two-minute game. We got a two-minute drive going on. Hey, you done caught four or five. You done caught four or five passes. You need a blow. But you important.

We got to call timeout. Okay, Ocho, get your breath. We got to come back. Ah, that's crazy. That's how, so it's more difficult. You know, we get on the role player, but it's a lot harder, you think, because you're not going to get 20 shots.

You might only get five to seven shots, but they're asking you in a playoff atmosphere, you need to make three or four of them. That's crazy. You say you can't get 20 shots, but if you're on the floor long enough and the ball comes your way and you know how to beat a dude off the dribble, I mean, you could just start chucking that bitch up anyway on your own.

Hey, no, you're not going to start chunking that thing up on your own. I mean, a good shot. I'm not just. Oh, yeah. But I'm saying, yeah. But what happens when that shot doesn't go in? Remember, you're not going to get all of those opportunities. You look at, hold on.

Let me pull this back because I don't have the, I'm obviously not at home. Look at the role play. Okay, Lively was two or seven. Josh Green played 15 minutes. He was one of three. Hardaway played 16 minutes. He was three of nine. Luca played 16 minutes He was 3 of 9

Luka Luka Kyrie took 34 shots P.J. Washington took 23 shots Damn So now you're talking about 34 and 23 You're talking about

57 shots Between 3 guys They only took 91 So the other And Derrick Jones was one of 10 so now you talk about one two three four five six the other guys right took took 44 shots you see yeah that's that's that's seven shots divided up between all the rest of them per you see so now when you get the opportunities it's kind of like a guy coming in off the seven shots divided up between all the rest of them. Perth.

You see? So now when you get the opportunities, it's kind of like a guy coming in off the bench and, hey, Ocho, you that fifth wide receiver. You drop the third down. You drop the fourth down. People looking, man, why didn't y'all go to Ocho? Well, Ocho was double.

He was wide open. What was I supposed to do? They said, well, LeBron, why didn't you shoot the shot? Steph Curry, why didn't y'all go to Ocho? Well, Ocho was double. He was wide open. What was I supposed to do? They said, well, LeBron, why didn't you shoot the shot? Steph Curry, why didn't you shoot the shot? Because the guy was standing over there in the dunker spot, wide-ass open. So, it's a lot of pressure. It's a make or miss league. Either you make the shot

or you don't. It's really that simple. I could drop all the X's and O's or not. Did the ball go in the basket, Ocho? That's all that matters. At the end of the day. That's all that matters. Like I said, Kyrie is kind of like feeling it out in the first half.

He let Luka get going. And Luka's kind of beat all the hell. He's got a bad back. He's got a bad knee. He messed up too, huh? Hey, how he so young and he walk like an old man already? Something wrong? Is something wrong with him? You think he lied about his age? He really older than what he look? No, no, no. You got to realize.

Luka been playing pro ball since he's like 15 or 16. Yeah, but you see how he moving, how he walk? He walk like an old man. Like he's like a young person in an old person body. I don't know if that makes sense. How about this? This comment got me in trouble last time. Oh, my bad.

Luka needs to do a better job of taking care of himself in the offseason. Okay. Jason Kidd has let it be known that he would like for Luka to come in better shape and not play himself in shape, but to come into camp already in shape.

At least somewhat there. At least 50% there. Okay. But here's the thing, in the offseason, I mean, Ocho, that's your job! Your job is to be in shape! Yeah, but I think when it comes to, especially somebody like him,

that I'm assuming the way they do things are different wherever Luka's from, and maybe when it's the offseason, they literally take off season yeah literally off yeah period oh yeah when i go to camp i'll play myself into shape as opposed to here we do things a little different especially in office especially in off season basketball is a part of their livelihood even when it's the off season i think-hmm. I think the thing is, Ocho, is that American basketball players grow up saying,

I want to be best. I want to be better than Jordan. I want to be... I don't think European players grow up thinking that. Right. They're like, this is an opportunity for them.

They're going to make more money beyond their wildest dreams. And, you know, obviously the 92 Olympics, it opened up basketball to the world because now all those guys, the Dirk Nabiskis

and all these guys that saw the pro players play because prior to 92, it was all collegiate players. Right. Except for the rest of the world. They sent their pro players where Americans sent

their college players. But after the Americans bombed out in 88 and sold. Sold, could say, yeah, 84 was in LA. Sold, because 92 was in Barcelona. Yeah. Once they bombed out there, Oscar Schmidt did a number on the Brazilian team, did a number on them.

And after that, they was like, no, hell no. Y'all sending y'all pros, we're going to send out pros. Because they started getting better and better. Because before, from the beginning of time, we always sent collegiate players. And with the exception of 72, when the Americans got robbed in Munich, the Americans won the gold.

So 72, they 76 in Montreal, we won. We boycotted in 80 because of the invasion of Afghanistan by the Russians, although it was held in the Soviet Union. It was held in Russia. 84, we won it. And then 88, we got the brakes breathed off of Socho and sold. And they said, uh-uh. Oh, no.

And then we sent in 92, and we won, and so forth and so on. So that's kind of how that started. But I've been really impressed with Kyrie because, yeah, we know he can score. He's the greatest finisher that you're going to see. Nobody handled the ball. He got the ball on the screen. Hey, three, mid, finish either hand or spin it off the rim, up and under. You're filing, he's going to go make 90%.

So we know what he's capable of. But what I've been most impressed with him is watching him on the defensive end. Playing a little defense now. He's been getting after it. He's been getting after it. The Nuggets make this a series. They go into Minnesota and blow the doors off of them.

Nikola Jokic showed you why he's the MVP. He's had 24 points, 14 rebounds, 9 assists, 3 steals, and 3 blocks. First player in NBA history to reach those numbers in a playoff game. Jamal Murray had 18 of his 24 in the first half, which set

the tone. Said he was fueled by the hostile crowd that booed him the moment he stepped on the court during pregame. Obviously, he said, definitely, that definitely fueled me during the game and just keeps me in the mood. So it's fun. I embrace that challenge. I embrace that moment. I probably deserve those boos, so I'm not

shying away from it. Obviously, we know he threw the towel. Then he threw the heating pack on the floor. And so that's what the Minnesota fans were booing. But they go on the road. Jokic became Jokic. Jamar Murray gave them,

gave them what he gave them. It got ugly. And now, Minnesota, you better win game three now. It got ugly. It got, it got real, it got real ugly.

I can't, I can't remember exactly how far of a lead they had at one point in the game. What? 20, 20, 20 something. Yeah, 20, 20-something?

Yeah, they ended up winning by like 27. I think they might have got it as much as 30, if I'm not mistaken. It was bad. It was bad. Yeah. Once they got the 30, me went through the third, I'm like, I'm gone.

You know, the way they started off, though. They started off cooking, so everybody that was making shots in the beginning of the game, once they got into a rhythm and everybody contributing, man, they had got to lead so goddamn far. You know, the goddamn

Wolves ain't have a chance to even come back. There's only so much Ant-Man can do. There's only so much Cat can do. And then to top that off, they were playing great defense. They they were playing great defense. They decided to play great defense. That's a championship team.

You thought they were going to go quietly in the night? I'm liking this basketball stuff now, boy. Hey, I'm going to be like, Doris Burke, give me about another two weeks. Hey, you thought they were going to go quietly in the night? Oh, Joe, that's a championship team. They're making the right stuff now. oh yeah yeah yeah and i think and if you notice like when the shots start to fall for the road team it seems like the basket opens up not everybody

you see yokich making shots you see uh holiday making shots you see uh uh gordon making shots we know what michael porter jr do. All the guys. So now, you turn the ball over. It doesn't take long. And see, with that three-point shot, no lead is safe. But also with that three-point shot, a five-point lead can go to 15-20.

Real quick. You know, Jamal Murray needed his game, though. he needed this game though. He needed this game after the small incident, getting, getting, getting fined,

whatever. Winning cures all. Winning cures all. He could have threw a goddamn chair on the court like Bob Knight. Yeah.

If he went out there and played like he did the other night, winning cures all. Right. It's time for our first segment of the night. Ocho NSA Newscap. Newscap.

Hey, before we start, shout out to my people man, Sam. Congratulations on graduating from Southern Illinois. Congrats. Get you some McDonald's, twin. Yeah. Man, I was just at a graduation. My daughter... You just went to? Who graduated?

Who graduated? My daughter. She's a doctor now. Hey, let's go. That's what I'm talking about, man. There's a doctor in the house. Script, script. Hey, babe, my back hurt. Write me a script. Oh, babe, I got a headache. I need another script. Hey, that's dope. That's dope. Yeah, I'm babe, my back hurt. Write me a script. Oh, babe, I got a headache. I need another script. Hey, that's dope.

That's dope. Yeah, I'm proud of my baby. Several names have been rumored to be in the running for head coaching chair for the Los Angeles Lakers. They include Kenny Atkinson, Michael Norrie, David Edelman, and J.J. Reddick. Lakers are intrigued by J.J. Reddick amid the coaching search. Still, he's never coached at high school or college or the professional level. Does that sound like someone should be in charge of a historic franchise looking for one last chance to get a ring for LeBron or A.D.? And A.D.?

So I'm going to think about it in a football term so you have let's say you let me think of a historic franchise let's say the Dallas Cowboys and you have a former player that was good, that was decent J.J. Reddick was nice you have a former player like

let's say give me somebody to play for the Cowboys nice. You have a former player like, let's say... Give me somebody to play for the Cowboys. Michael Lurman? No, no, no. Come on, no, no. Oh, you're talking about... That would be... The coaching realm, to give the comparison as far as the Lakers and having J.J. Redick

as a candidate, and would it make sense if you're trying to win a Super Bowl having a former player that knows the game extremely well? Well, he doesn't need to play for the Cowboys. He just needs to have played in the NFL and had a decent career. Okay, you know what, that's right. J.J. played in Philly, right? Yeah, J.J. played.

He played the Clippers. He played with the Pelicans. He played with the 76ers. He played with the Magic. He played with the Pelicans. He played with the 76ers. He played with the Magic. He played with a 4-5 team. Had a nice career. I think he played like 13-14 seasons. Averaged around 9-10 points a ball game. But he had a nice career.

Nice career. So when I think about that, I'm going to use, for football's sake, I'm going to say Cowboys. And we're going to take a player like um... Come on, somebody. Boom! I'm going to say Cowboys. And we're going to take a player like... Come on, somebody. Boom! Larry Fitzgerald. Okay.

But Larry Fitzgerald was a historically great player, though. That's not what J.J. was. Okay, that's not nice. That's not nice. That's not nice. No, but I'm saying, you're talking about Larry Fitzgerald. Larry Fitzgerald is going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. That's not what J.J. was.

I don't want to be rude to the basketball. I understand what you're saying. I'm trying to think, too. Give me a comparison of J.J. Redick in football terms. Good player, like you said. Had a great career. See, it's hard, huh? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially that was like

a marginal player. Marginal? Yeah. Is marginal a bad thing or a good thing? No. If you play 14 years, obviously you play well enough. It's kind of like, Ocho, we've seen guys that were really never like, never made a Pro Bowl, never made an we've seen guys that were really never like,

never made a Pro Bowl, never made an All-Pro team, that played 13, 14, 15 years. So that's not a knock. So I don't want people to say, if you play that long, obviously, you're good enough to play in the league. But I'm trying to think who would be an equivalent football player. Because, I mean, hell, I haven't been away for so long that doesn't have coaching experience.

Because a lot of times you look at D'Amico Ryan. D'Amico Ryan was a defensive coordinator. You look at a lot of these guys. Darvin Hamm was an assistant coach. He was an assistant coach in Atlanta. He was an assistant coach for the Milwaukee Bucks. We're talking about a guy, what they did for Matt Millen. Matt

Millen was calling games and they gave him the general manager job. The same thing they did with John Lynch. John Lynch was calling games for Fox and they gave him the GM job. You see them? So we're talking about a person that didn't have any coaching experience. So you don't we're talking about a person that didn't have

any coaching experience do you think so you don't think jay-z reddick is a good candidate for historic franchise like the lakers because he has no coaching experience but he knows the game of basketball i mean he's like steve kerr didn't have any coaching experience i don't think steve kerr coach steve kerr was an analyst at tnt when he got the job when he got he became a general manager. But also, you got to remember. For Phoenix. And he ended up getting a job for the Warriors.

You got to understand. But look at the situation he went into. How much coaching can you do when you're surrounded by a bunch of cats like that? You still got to put it together. I mean, I know you got to put it together. But come on, man. Draymond, Curry. But here's the thing, though. It's to get those, to blend egos to put it together, but come on now. Draymond, Curry. But here's the thing, though.

It's to get those, to blend egos and put them together. It's because you only got five. I got a question. And you got to convince. See, it's easy with football because the quarterback has the ball. All the time. But now you got to identify, okay, he's the guy. Everything flows through him.

Right. And you got to be okay with that. Yeah. I don't know. You know who has the final call? We know who all has the final call in L.A., right? It would be LeBron. Yeah. I mean, I think it would be maybe LeBron and AD.

Yeah. Or let's just say you had a guy like a Randall Cobb that said, you know what, I want to do coaching. Hey, I can see Randall Cobb. But he's an analyst and he gets an opportunity to go interview for the Cowboys. Right. Or he gets an opportunity to go interview for the Steelers.

Or the Giants. You're like, well. Right. Huh? No. If I'm not mistaken, I josh mccown interview for didn't he interview for carolina job he's never coached before so i don't want to knock guys because they don't i mean a lot of guys had never coached until they coached right you know what i'm saying so i don't know what type of does jj redJ. Redick know X's and O's?

Sure he does. You hear him talk the game, he understands the game, he can talk about the game in the terms that basketball players understand. It's kind of like when you and I talk, we can talk in terms that true football fans,

they understand the coverages and how the offense is trying to attack the coverages. But the question is, will that him being J.J. Redick, how does he, I think it's easier if the top guys buy in. As long as your

top guys buy in, the Patriot way was Tom Brady because he was the only guy that needed to buy in because if he bought in, he only guy that needed to buy in. Because if he bought in, he could convince everybody else to buy in. Yeah. Well, hell, everybody... And so that's what you need.

Well, everybody else better buy in because everybody over there was expendable, boy, except 12. I tell you that. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's what you have to have. And so, look,

at the end of the day, they're going to make the best decision that they feel for them. Probably, probably, with a historic franchise, you probably need to get somebody with some coaching experience. I'm talking about some head coaching experience. Hey, oh, I got one.

Who that? Tailfield Jackson, dust off the boots. What's happening? Dust off the clipboard. Well, the problem with, a lot of problem with the Lakers is, that's the problem, is Phil Jackson. What?

Because he keep yapping his mouth in Jenny's ear. If you wanted to coach, you stepped down, remember? You stepped down because you didn't want to coach anymore. So stop offering advice. Oh, so Phil in the background now. But tell him come on to the forefront. He don't want to coach.

He's a legendary coach. It's easy to say, yeah, I want to coach Shaq and Kobe. Yeah, I want to coach Michael Jordan. He has the opportunity to go to the Knicks. He could have coached the Knicks. Coach who, though?

But when you don't have five transcendent, when you don't have four, three transcendent players, a top 75 player, a top 50 player, like Scottie. Scottie's the top 50. He's not transcended. Kobe, Shaq, Jordan, transcended. Hell. So now, all you

gotta do is manage egos. That's the biggest thing is managing egos. Because at some point in time, somebody's gonna start saying, hey, it's my team. No, it's my team. The same thing that ended up ripping it's my team. No, it's my team. The same thing that ended up ripping the Patriots apart, no matter what anybody tells you,

that's what ripped them apart because one guy eventually is going to want more credit than the other. The thing that kept Magic and Kareem together, Kareem said, what you want, Cap?

Hey, you left the right hand. Right. Get down the block. I give it to you. Hey, we pushing it. Hey, Cap ain't got his touches. Magic back that thing out. Cap amble down to the block.

Throw that hand up. Pop out. Sky hook. Throw that sky hook on him. And so that's what you have. You have to have somebody willing to be okay with not getting as much credit. Because eventually, hey,

you're going to get tired of hearing it, Ocho. You're going to get tired of hearing it. Brady, Brady, Brady. And then even Coach Belly, you could hear. Well, it wasn't open heart surgery. We had other guys that played well. You know what I'm saying? You started hearing that from the coach.

Right, right, right. Tom Brady had his thumb, almost cut his thumb off. Deep gash in his hand. Well, he didn't have open heart surgery. What? Other guys played well. What? They did?

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but I bought all the food. I'm the one that bought the ribs. I brought the brisket. I brought the rib tips. I brought all this stuff. Mac and cheese. He bought them. He ain't the one cooking it though.

He ain't the one on the grill. I bought the ingredients. I could have bought some bull jive. I could have bought some hog head cheese, some vinaigre sausages. I could have bought some potted meat. How that would have looked on your table. I don't know. When you think about it,

when you think about it, they had a 20-year run where all type of food came through there. And every year, for some reason, regardless of what kind of food came through there, they did one thing consistently. They could make it look good. Make it look good.

I mean, the way my grandma could make that bologna, to fly that bologna just right, and you stick that fork in there to bust that bubble, and you put some mayonnaise on that bread, hey, it was still bologna just right, and you stick that fork in there to bust that bubble, and you put some mayonnaise on that bread. Hey, it was still bologna, but it tasted good. That potted meat, the vine, the sauces. When she split them things, when she split them and got them a little brown on that thing, we add a little mustard sometimes, we put, boom.

Nasty food, but granny can make that thing great. Great. Huh? A cuisine. A cuisine. it's simple it's it's it's really it's really that complicated for me hey there's a team effort if you notice every time something happens i always bring the team when i got uh got our hard awards, CJ was with me. The producers came. We go into the web, it's everybody going. And hey,

when we had this thing, I said, hey, no, Ocho need to be there. I said, I get it. It's under my umbrella, but it's nightcap. It's Uncle Ocho. When we had this thing, well, we going to France. I said, no, I'm not coming. If he can't come, I'm not going. We going to France? So. Oh, I'm not coming. If he can't come, I'm not going. We going to France? So.

Oh, we going to France. Oh, shit. We going to France. Oui, oui. Hey, hey, hey, we going to France. That's the way I look at it. Merci beaucoup. Yeah. That's the way I look at it. Hey, we going to France. Merci beaucoup.

Yeah. That's the, that's the, but that's the thing. Hey, let's go. People, people gotta, you gotta, you gotta be, you gotta be okay. Even if you don't get, if you don't get any of the credit. Yeah. But you definitely gotta be okay with getting 50% of the credit yeah but you definitely got to be okay with getting 50 of the credit okay yeah and uh that's so i don't know look there are some there are other guys my thing is i suggested that they should have hired ty lube but see here's the thing the same thing the lakers have the same

problem that the cowboys have you should be honored to coach the lakers have the same problem that the Cowboys have. You should be honored to coach the Lakers or coach the Cowboys so you're going to take less than market value. Look at the Cowboys. They ain't paying them guys what them top coaches getting. Top coaches getting $10, $12, $13, $15 million. They get $5, $6 million because it's the Cowboys

and, hey, it's one of 32. So they should have hired Ty Lue and they would have never been in this situation because Ty Lue is one of the great coaches and he played... See, LeBron really liked guys to coach him that actually played the game

because a lot of times they can see things through the prism of what he's looking at. And so that helps a lot with him. But obviously, he's going to have some influence.

AD is going to have some influence who the head coach is. So, I can't definitively say Ocho one way or another should they hire

J.J. Redick. I know he knows the game of basketball. Well, put it like this. He can draw the game up on the chalkboard. It's another thing. We'll put it like this. He can draw the game of basketball up on the chalkboard. It's another thing. It's kind of like

those that can do. Those that can't teach. Yeah. So, it'll be interesting to see who they

who eventually ends up getting the Lakers job. We know what the Lakers represent and you got to have, get somebody in place that gives LeBron over the next one or two years

a realistic chance. Probably going to have to give up that first round pick to bring somebody in. If you can't lure someone in free agency, hopefully you can lure someone in free agency, but if not, you want to trade for someone, you're going to probably have to give up that first round pick

and probably throw a couple players. There's some players that you probably want to give up, like an Austin Reeves or somebody like that. That's probably what's going to happen. Oh, Joe, the friendly wager between LSU teammate Jane Daniel Malik-Nevers is off now. They placed a friendly wager, $10,000 bet,

which whoever would win NFL's Offensive Rookie of the Year would win the money. But on Friday, after neighbors attended rookie camp, the Giants learned the specifics of the NFL's gambling problem, excuse me, NFL gambling policy,

and he revealed that the bet was off. It is unclear if the bet would have violated the policy, but the two aren't taking any chances. The neighbors said, I'm educated now and I got to be able to sports betting and gambling, so we're calling the bet off.

There's no bet now. Eh, no sir. Malik neighbors, Jane Daniels, the bet is still on. The bet is still on. Give me the money. I'm still a part. I'm not a part of the NFL. Well, I am. Wait, never mind. Let me take that back.

Bet is still on no matter what. Just put the money in my hand. I'm still a part. I'm not a part of the NFL. Well, I am. Wait, never mind. Let me take that back. Let me take that back. Better still on no matter what. Just put the money in my hand. Put the money in my hand and I'll make a decision at the end of the season on who deserves it. Malik, you got to come to play, boy. You got to come to play.

If you're going to outdo a quarterback, what happens? How about A, bro? I bet you 10 grand I win offensive rookie of the year. Okay, bet. It's when you made it public. Right. See? how about A bro I bet you 10 grand I win offensive rookie of the year okay bet it's when you made it public right

see some things some things you just keep to yourself Ocho actually I like it though I like it because not only

the NFL don't like it I don't think he he made it public I think it's it's a great motivating tactic are you less motivated by things

you let me ask you a question I mean it just how many people how many people how many people knew your goals great motivating tactic. Are you any less motivated by things? Let me ask you a question. I mean, it just... How many people knew your goals? You didn't share them with anybody, did you? And you were just as motivated to achieve them. Yeah, okay, yeah. You have to understand. Look, I get it, Ocho,

but you have to understand how the NFL and the gambling, so you don't even want to mention them. Like I said, hey, Ocho, I bet you such and such. Yeah. At the end of the year. How'd you get this?

I ain't going to say how I got it, but a good friend of mine gifted it to me. Yeah. I think the one on Malik Nabel's part, I think it was all in good fun. You know, a little friendly. Yeah, for know, a little friendly, really friendly competition. And I don't think it's against the NFL gambling policy because they're not gambling on a game. It's a friendly wager between themselves based on how they play their rookie season.

That's all that. That's no foul, no harm. Now, you want to know what's harm? Me bribing the referee with a goddamn dollar bill trying to challenge a red, a red, a call. Yeah.

Now that, that, now that, now that's gambling because I literally took out a dollar and tried to bribe the referee. Now that I understand. Them making a friendly wager between themselves, whether it's public or not,

is no harm, no foul, and I hope, I'd hope you know, we'd allow those two to go at it this season. Oh, Joe. Man, you know there's a lot of bets going on, man. There done been bets between teammates, I mean not teammates, but hell, teammates, friends,

yeah. Yeah, but nobody knows. Nobody knows. Nobody knew. Hell, I bet Alpha Williams $25,000, but I would have more touchdowns if he had sacks. Golly. Man, guess what? Who won?

I broke my collarbone week four. He tore his Achilles week five. So we settled. He wanted $12,000, so I said we could settle. He had one sack. I had no touchdowns. So we said, we can settle. He had one sack. I had no choice. So we settled.

What you had to pay him? He said, I'll tell you what. He said, I want $12,500. Guess what this joker wanted? What he wanted? Don't say food. Susan B. Anthony dollars. Susan B. Anthony?

Yeah. He wanted those quarter dollars. Why? So I had to go to the bank and get... Because he wanted the inconvenience. He wanted my prize.

Oh, okay, okay. So when I go put that order to the bank, could I get $12,500 of Susan B. Anthony? Do you know how hard it is to get those damn things? So he made it difficult.

Yes! Okay. And they was heavy as hell. Hey! Let's go. I like the bet though. I like it. Because that's the way we bet. Yeah.

So like we bet in the locker room. I didn't want your money. I want your prize. Yeah. I want $500 in nickels. Man, Sean, come on, man. Yeah. I want you to take your ass to the bank.

Ask the cashier, could you get $500 in nickels? And when she asks you, say, Mr. Such and Such, why you need $500 on nickels? I want you to tell him, I lost the bet to 84. I get Buffalo nickels. I get $100 in Buffalo nickels.

I get $250 in dimes. That's what I wanted. I wanted, I wanted, what is it? Canada half dollars. We call them Canada 50 cent piece. Yeah, I wanted those. wanted, what is it? Canada half dollars? We call them Canada 50 cent piece. Yeah, I wanted those.

Yeah, silver dollars? Yes. I want your prize. I want your, everybody making money. So what is it for me? Okay, you lose $1,000. You're going to bring me $1,000 cash? No, I don't want $1,000 cash.

I want coins. Pennies, nickels, dimes, Buffalo nickels, Susan B. Anthony, quarters. Kennedy half dollar, Kennedy 50 cent, what we call them in the South. Golly. You know what? You know, we gamble everything.

We had a little poppy shot basketball thing in the locker room. So we bet per diem. Hey, bet. Everybody got their per diem lined up. The road per diem? Yes! Yes!

We bet road per diem. Man, look. Me and my, we getting ready to go to practice. Me and my home, me and my homeboy Burns, he like,

we got, so you know, we, we been there for a week. So I went upstairs, got my check, got here. I said,

cause we like to bet. Don't even look at it. Put it my check, got here. I said, because we like to bet. Don't even look at it. Put it down. Okay, fine. Bet what it is. So I put my check down. He put his down. We shoot.

We got to go to practice. We come back. Come on. Let's get the ball first. Hey, hold up. Me and Burns shooting this. He shoot. He miss.

I make it. So at that point in time, you get to open the check and see what it is. So he opened my check, I opened his. His was like $1,400. Right. Mine was like $70,000.

Woo! He said, homeboy, you'd have been throwing up. I said, said oh hell yeah I said but that's but that's the chance that you make

you don't look at the check you just bet yeah I'm cool with that y'all better than me boy I ain't playing uh uh oh we bet everything

no sir oh we bet everything oh Bure in between you ever played in between nah what's that

in between in between you take two you in between? Nah. What's that? In between and that with the quarters? You take two decks of cards. I flip one, I flip both cards up. It might be an ace, it might be a five. You go say, hey, in between. If it comes in between the ace and the five, you win. If you get hit on the edges, you have to pay double. So if it's an ace or a five, you

pay double. Man. We played on the way to the Super Bowl. Ask the guys. What? Pac got like 50 grand. 50,000? Yeah. Oh, we took Super Bowl. I took...

Oh. Hey, Peter, I'm sorry. I got to give you this information. We took... We took four Super Bowl. I took. Oh. Hey, Peter, I'm sorry. I got to give up this information. Oh, but we took. We took. Hey, we took four Super Bowl tickets off Willie Green. Ooh. Four Super Bowl tickets and 10 grand. I know he was hot. I know he was hot.

I was very generous. I know he was hot. Ocho, I want to do old school car. 71 Chevelle. Yeah. I said, man, give me five grand. I said, you go home and tell your wife

you lost this car, it's going to be problems in your house. Give me five grand, we'll call it even. And Mike used to tell him, look, y'all gambling with 84. Do y'all know how long 84 been playing?

Right. 84, okay. I don't really like you guys gambling because I don't want you thinking about you lost $20,000, $30,000 during the game. But if I rock with you, if I want a big sum of money off y'all,

I'm like, bro, go ahead. Hey, just give me five grand. We'll call it even. But I want it nice wanted nice black chrome rims just got it it'll probably work by 2025 i said man give me five grand you go cool boy hey well y'all listen i know i oh we got whenever the gambling went on, locker room, training camp, we on break. Man, I ain't around none of that, bro. I ain't got time. What do you think?

Spending money, spending gambling. That's what Shea Shea came about. Ocho, you go ask anybody that played in Denver from 1995, 1996, all the way. They closed it down when I left. When I came back, it came from there. That's what we gambled. We played cards. We rolled dice.

They played video game. We drank, smoked, all that within club chasing. That's how it came to be. And I don't see how y'all do that, man. And people in the chat that gamble, people just in general, like even when y'all was playing, even former teammates of mine, there was such an excitement and passion and joy in people's faces when they gamble here from me being from Miami. Watching people gamble, playing spades, playing, playing tongue, playing get like me with the quarters back in high school, watching, watching the dope boys play CeeLo.

Excuse me. I hate I hate to say that word, but watching the boys play CeeLo. Excuse me. I hate to say that word, but watching the boys play CeeLo. What are we doing? I'm not doing nothing or losing my money to anything where I can't control it. If I'm losing money, I want to be in control of it. I don't want any outside variations

of what I'm doing to cause me to lose my money. I can't do it. And then I remember I went to the casino with Rail and I'm talking to the man. I'm saying, sir, are y'all going to stop the man

from continuing to gamble that much money at the high roller table? Why are you allowing him to do this? That's what we do here. Why do you think we don't have to? No, no, no. We got to gamble, Joe.

We gambling. Why do you think we don't have no windows? What the fuck you mean? Would the windows have to do here? Why you think we don't have no windows? No, no, no. We got to gamble, Ocho. We gambling. Why you think we don't have no windows? What the fuck you mean? Would the windows have to do anything? And the clocks on the wall. Because they want you to lose track of time

and they pumping their fresh oxygen. Listen, I learned all this just not too long ago when I was in Vegas for F1. You know?

I'm like, man, y'all better me. I gamble, Ocho. We gamble. Yeah, man, y'all be... Every night, there was not one night in Denver when I was in training camp that we didn't gamble. Ocho, we was going to

bed, like, we got to practice at 9. Right. We didn't go to bed until, like, 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock in the morning. And y'all going to practice on 4, 5 hours of sleep? Yep. And the last night, we stay up the whole night. Like, our crew, that normally,

oh, you got to stay up the whole night. Hey. Oh, oh, we had a blast. Oh, and the last night, the rookie got to get him. You got him? Yeah, I remember them days. Man, look here got to get them on show.

You got them? Yeah, I remember them day. What? Yeah, I remember them day. Man, look here. We go to the store. We get like 25 pounds of flour. We get like eight, nine, 10 balls of syrup.

We cut the pillows open. Right. We got the tar and feather. Oh, not the tar and feather. Yeah, fine. Well, you know how hard that is to get off? I do, feather. Oh, not the tar and feather. Yeah, fire extinguisher. You know how hard that is to get off? I do know. Oh, no.

Think about how many guys came with pillow feathers in their head and only stuck on their back and on their neck. Hey, because you know I was cool. Hey, you know, hey, I get the key. I get the master key. In their sleep, fire extinguish them down, book it up out of there. Oh, we did some damage.

I know, they were hot. But you know what Mike said? Hey, hey, I don't normally do this, but I know, you know, probably 84 had something to do with it and his team. Or if some stuff popped up, they already know. Mike knew.

Team building, we got this covered. Woohoo! That dorm was a mess. Going crazy. Yes, Yes. Cause, hey,

got to get them, Ocho. It's a part of it. Welcome to the Broncos. Most definitely. Most definitely. Most definitely. That's what I miss,

Ocho. See, that's what I miss. The fun. That's what I miss. The talent show. Like, did y'all have a talent show?

Like the rookies had to put on a talent show? No, but hey, listen, that hard knock y'all had, the year before we did ours'all have a talent show like the rookies had to put on a talent show hey listen that that hard knocks y'all had the year before we did ours that talent show boy when when buddy did ray lewis and buddy did and uh buddy did you and me boy i was in tears i'm talking about in tears crying that was good oh. That was good. We had a talent show in

Denver. Like I said, I didn't really know. Like I said, when I was in college, we didn't really do the stuff like rookie stuff. They didn't cut nobody's hair and stuff like that. I'm trying to think what we did to the rookies.

Because they got me. It was all fun. Like I said, I didn't want to let nobody cut my hair. You know what I'm saying? We wasn't doing anything to demean anybody. We wasn't going to cut your hair and foolishness like that. But I'm sure there were some things that we did. But that was all a part of it.

That's what I miss. That's what I miss. If they could just let me. And I was like, Mike, if I could just go back, I didn't want to do meetings no more. That's what really got me out of the league, the meetings. I said, Mike, just let me practice. Let me show up to practice.

Right, right, right. And let me play in the games. Your boy good. Yeah. Your boy good. I was like, but the Ocho Do was a day, bro. I wish I could get those back. I wish I could do that.

Obviously, I couldn't play anymore. But I just want to go hang around the team. Just go hang. Now, I'm just saying, my guys, what I was like,. Obviously, I couldn't play anymore, but I just want to go hang around the team. Just go hang. Now, my guys, after I left like three or four years, I just wanted to go back because a lot of the guys that I played with were still playing. Man, I said, man, I wish I could just go back there. They're like, Sharp, man, it ain't the same without you.

Because you, Ocho, you know I kept it live. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Everybody wanted to get on bus, too, because the coaches, everybody, want to get on bus, too, because they, you know, the coaches, everybody, you know, the owner was on bus. Everybody, hey, Sean, what bus you getting on? Because, you know, we're going to keep it cramped.

We're bagging on somebody. Somebody want some bull jive today. Oh, y'all get on the outfits? What? I got on a dude so bad, I made him took his outfit off on the plane. Got fired. Because Mike said, I told you, I got to wear... Made him come up out of it. It was that bad?

Made him come up out of it. That's true, but today's NFL players, boy, it's a fashion show. Yeah. It is a fashion show. I made him come up out. I made him come up out. Oh, hey, Sharp.

Man, you see what such. Hey, Sharp, come look what such and such got on. I got to get him. I got to get him. The only person that you could not get upset about their dress was Easy Ed. Ed McCaffrey? Ed McCaffrey. That's your coming out there

looking like a 4-H camper. He gonna have on khaki pants and a blue blazer that he got folded up that he taking out his duffel bag. Right. That's what Easy Ed got on. Every time.

And some Doc Martens. Ed don't care. Ed don't care nothing. So we didn't even bother. Ed hadn't got to the point where I was like, why ragging on Ed? Ed don't care so we didn't even bother Ed Ed had to go to the point I was like why rag it on Ed Ed don't care

we didn't we didn't give people the actual care that if we rag on him oh oh I can make hey me

at the back of that plane yeah make him come slam up out of it Ocho back of the plane where is that I remember

I remember I remember going to the airport. You know, everybody got to meet at the stadium before, you know, to get on the bus. Remember, everybody used to bring Popeyes. Oh, yeah. The rookies had to bring that.

That's right. The rookies had to bring Popeyes. You know, I came with my own McDonald's. Yeah. Man, them Juggles have you go get, man, they go get ribs, make you go get ribs. Man, you got to go get fried catfish.

Man, Big Ted, Big Ted Washington was on my team one year. Man, Ted had them rookies go and get Popeyes, mac and cheese, fried catfish. I said, come on, dude.

I remember them days. Yeah. But see, this was before your time. See, we used to could drive right up, park our cars, and get right on the plane. Plane back up out.

Really? And we take off. Yeah, we didn't have to go. Like, my first four or five years, we didn't have to go to the airport. Go to a private hangar, park your car, walk right up, get right on the plane. Oh, I ain't never heard of that before. Yeah. Man. Oh, I ain't never heard of that word. Yeah. Man,

oh, oh, that was, that was lovely. Lovely. And then, you know, you had to start,

you know, had to start getting there on time because Mike was going to leave you. Mike was going to leave you if you wasn't number seven, number 30,

number 84, maybe a few others because Mike, they asked what, what, what, such and such, like,

oh, we hold a plane. We got, we can, it's a charter flight. We leave, we a few others. Because my dad's such and such, like, oh, we hold a plane. It's a charter flight. We leave when we want to. Somebody else? Anybody else? But I wasn't going to be late. I already understood

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