Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Mavericks take control, Should Lakers hire JJ Redick?

Episode Date: May 16, 2024

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Gilbert Arenas react to the Mavericks taking a 3-2 lead over the OKC Thunder and debate whether JJ Redick would be a good hire for the Los Angeles Lakers 03:41 - Show Starts05:06 - Mavs beat Thunder20:50 - Boston advances to ECF32:37 - Newscap32:49 - JJ Reddick and Lakers50:37 - Bronny James Combine(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Again, thank you guys for staying up with us late and joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Let's get right into it, guys. The Mavericks go on the road and beat the Thunder 104-92. They got a 30-point triple-double from Luka Doncic. P.J. Washington had 10 points, 10 rebounds. Jones had 19 points.

Daniel Gafford had 9 points, 7 rebounds. Kyrie had 12 points. They got 11 points and 10 rebounds from Derrick Lively, the second off the bench, as they out-rebound the OKC Thunder by 13, and they win the game on the road. Gil, let's start with you first. What did you like?

What impressed you the most about what you saw with the Mavericks going on the road and getting this win? I mean, it was a big win for them. It showed professionalism. It shows why Luka and Kyrie are stars in this league.

A lot of superstars or star players, franchise guys, they would have folded to how they lost last game, but they bounced back. Luka was excellent today. Kyrie was solid. And they came out and willed their team

to this win tonight. Yeah, I agree with everything you said. Considering how they lost that ball game, had an eight-point lead with probably like three minutes to go and they gave that game up, they really should be getting ready to celebrate going to the Western Conference Finals, but they have to go home and try to close it out game

six. And if I'm Jason Kidd, I'm not saying, look here, guys, I'm not coming back to OKC until next season. So get your mind ready to play. Ocho, you know what I'm saying? Get your mind ready to play. Let's close this ish out Saturday night and get ready for the Western Conference Finals. Ocho, what did you like about what you saw? What did you like

what you saw from the Mavericks tonight? I mean, listen, each night, each game is somebody different. Obviously, Luka's going to do what he does. Kyrie contributed a little bit. The past two games, maybe the past three games, P.J. Washington played extremely well. But instead of P.J. Washington tonight, hell, it was goddamn Derrick Jones Jr.

He had 19 points, and Luka did what he did. And Shea, I don't want to say his name wrong. Shea? Shea Gildress. Shea Gildress. SGA. All right, SGA. He need a little bit of help.

He need a little bit more help. Shet did what he could. But the supporting cast that Shea has isn't enough to offset the contribution and what the Mavs give each game and each night. You know what, Gil? When you watch, when you look at this game, had the Mavericks not been careless with the basketball, had all those turnovers,

this game wasn't supposed to be close. They shot almost 53% from the floor. They shot 40% from the three-point line. They out-rebounded them by 13 rebounds. But it was the turnovers that got them in trouble. If they don't turn the ball over like they did,

this ball game's probably over with about six minutes to go in the ball game because when luka hit that three put them up 18 yeah i thought for all intents and purposes it was over after that and then the next thing you know the thunder go on what a 10-0 run an 11-0 run and all of a sudden they make it a ball game because the nuggets you know excuse me the nuggets, the Mavericks got bogged down. Lucas started holding the ball, shooting the ball with one second, run your offense. I understand you want to run time off. You don't want to take a quick shot, but I don't think, you know,

you just holding the ball, patting the ball. And all of a sudden you hot potato is a good thing, but give them credit. Give the Mavericks credit for going on the road, winning this ballgame, especially how they lost that ballgame. What didn't you like about what you saw from the Thunder, Gil? What I didn't like is they settled. And I don't know if it's like this in football and basketball. You have two styles of play, right?

You have your home play and your road play. Correct. Usually your road game is a little more relaxed, patient. You pick your spots, and then at home you're more free. Well, that cost them that tonight, shooting 43. This is not a team that usually chucks threes when they're off. It's not like that they took 43s as 10 for 40. That's the game right there.

You didn't get to the free throw line. Usually you guys are getting to the free throw line, you know, putting the team, you know, because they have a small team, right? They're not very tall, you know, especially when they take shit out, right? So you usually are using your athleticism to get down low, get a little, you know,

easy layup, some free throws. So the fact that you didn't get to the free throw line lets you know that you was too confident and too, lots of days ago, at the home, where you should have been really, like, we're not going to shoot threes early. We're really going to beat them down low. Like, you know, kind of like when the Lakers,

when the Lakers are playing small teams, they usually just try to, you know, attack. And that's what they usually do on the road. So it's like, ah, this is one of those games where you just can't just tuck a whole bunch of threes up. Yeah, 43, that's not the Thunder's game. 10 of 40, 25% from the floor. They only shot 10 free throws.

A team that normally attacks the basket. You got Shea Gilgis. He's constantly putting pressure on you. Jalen Williams did not have his finest hour. He needed to play better. They can't win with him having 12 points. Chet Holmgren had 13. You get Lou Dort had 12.

And you get Josh Giddey, who came off the bench for the first time. He had 11 points. You need Jalen Williams. Shea's giving you 30 points. Damn near every game, Gil. I think with the exception of one game, he had 29. But he's giving you 30. He's doing all he can.

Jalen Williams, you're their second best player. You need to give them around 20 points. You've got to give them 20. And then if Chet gives you anywhere between 13 and 18, you live with that. You take whatever you can get from Lou Dort. But you know you're asking a lot from Lou because he's exerting a lot of energy trying to keep Luka in check. That's asking an awful lot because Luka with all that

herky-jerky movement, he's going to post you up, he's going to put his shoulder into your chest. He's going to cause you a lot of problems. So if Lou Dort can give me 12 points, considering the amount of energy that I'm asking him to exert to try to keep Luka under control, I can live with that.

But you knew Luka, we all knew, Gil, in order for the Mavericks to win, Luka had to be more efficient. He can't shoot 10 for 27. He can't shoot 9 of 22. He can't be like that. He's too good. And I thought, tonight, I thought he did

a great job of attacking. He kept pressure on him. 12 of 22 from the floor, plus 50%. Another 30-point triple-double, 5 of 11 from three. That's the kind of effort that you need from him. And then you got 12 points from Kyrie. You got 19 from Derrick Jones Jr. You got 10 from P.J. Washington. Lively comes off the bench and gives you 11 also,

and double-digit rebounds. When you go on the road, you need to have five or six guys in double figure if you want to win a ballgame. Yeah, I think also Jason Kidd, you can't – well, I mean, not Jason Kidd, I'm sorry. Okay, you can't bring – Dag not. You can't change your lineup in the middle of the playoffs.

Yeah. Right? People are not mentally prepared for that. Right? There's no way Giddy was prepared to come off the bench tonight. Right? That's one of those, we're in the middle of the playoffs. We got here this way.

You just can't spring it on me. Mentally, that does something to a player. Right? You play him, what, 12 minutes tonight? Right? You play him 12 what, 12 minutes tonight? You're playing him 12 minutes. He went 5 of 8.

He played better than the starter you put in for him. Things like that, you can't do it. Gil, when you say you can't do that because the guy's not prepared mentally, that strikes me as a panic move because you're tied 2-2. Now, if you're down, Gil, if you're down 2-1, you're down 3-2,

okay, all hands on deck, but you're tied. It's even serious, and you're at home. That strikes me as a panic move. Anytime you do anything, especially in this late in the playoffs, it's going to put my alarm bells up, and I think Jason Kidd said, hold on. Man, y'all panicked. Y'all hadn't done a move like this all year. Y'all the number one seed

because you've been steady, and all of a sudden, you're tied 2-2, coming back home, and you do this? Now, if you're down 3-2 and you're coming home, I get it. Go ahead, Ocho. Isn't there a reason that they had Isaiah Joe start over Josh Giddey? Is that some schematically or something,

some type of tactic that they thought would help, what, better defensively or offensively? But it just didn't pan out the way it should because from an offensive standpoint, shit, Isaiah Joe only has six goddamn points. So what was the reason for starting him in the first place? Well, I think because Giddey was getting off the slow starts, he

wasn't giving you the kind of production that he gave you in the regular season. I don't have his regular season numbers in front of me, but I just know his postseason numbers haven't been up to snuff. And so they're saying, like, we need better production. But that's not, I mean, you're counting on Isaiah Joe to give you better production? I mean, he's a guy that comes off the bench because now you got to understand, Gil, and I think we know, Ocho, we can speak to this in football.

It's one thing to be the third receiver and then you come in and you're going against the third or fourth corner. It's another thing to be the number one or number two receiver and you're going against the number one or the number two corner. So now Isaiah Joe is going against starters

and not the backups. So he's going against starters and not other role players. So you're asking him to be what he hasn't been this season. Now, who knows? Down the road, he might be a guy. But I agree with Gil. That struck me as a panic move for the simple fact. And I'm like, I'm looking at him like, bro, it's 2-2.

This is not a situation where you're, okay, I'm down 3-0. I'm down 3-1. I'm down 3-2. This is not a situation where you're, okay, I'm down 3-0. I'm down 3-1. I'm down 3-2. Okay. Hey, man, we can't lose another game because, bro, if we lose another game, it's over. But this and your home? Like I said, it's one of those things, man.

I've seen it. I've seen it kill players mentally before the game where coaches are like, all right, look, we're going to bring you off the bench tonight. And just to see all the hope move out of his body like, okay, he's going to be useless now. Now,

the guy you're bringing in, he doesn't lose nothing or gain nothing, right? He's going to give you what he's going to give you. What you just lost is you lost now production from one guy because you took him from starting to the bench. Well, you know, Giddy played well, but he could have did that as a starter.

He's 6'8", 6'9", with his shoes on, bigger guy. He's more of your point guard for Shea to be the two. See, they decided they want to bring in a shooter. They wanted to bring in a shooter, a flat-out shooter that can spread. Well, he's your point guard for Shea to do what Shea does. Right. But there's a reason Shea gets to play Shea. Because there's a guy out there that's being unselfish for everybody to play the way they're playing.

So you take him out of the starting lineup, you start off slow as a team. Forget him, right? You know, the first couple games, he's starting off slow, but everybody else is playing well. Now the team is starting off slow. Right. He played well when he came in. Yeah, and that's the thing.

Because when you got Giddy and you got somebody else that can initiate the offense instead of Shea Shea is going to beat Shea but Shea you need to give Shea a break I mean you had him play he played what 40, 43 minutes tonight right yeah so you needed somebody because really look at

Shea, Shea had 8 rebounds the next highest was Lou Dort well but we've seen Giddy. We know Giddy. Giddy can get you a triple-double. So you needed somebody to take that load. It just struck me as a panic move when I saw the switch in the lineup,

Isaiah Joe. But I also, but if I'm not mistaken, I think they did this the other day too, Gil. I think this is not the first. I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think this happened in Dallas after. I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think this happened in Dallas after they lost game three. Because remember, the Mavs beat them game two,

they won game three, and the head coach felt that he needed a little bit more production from his starters. So I just... It's just hard. When you... Gil, you weren't the number one seed. You're the number one seed with the starting lineup. Wait, OKC won game one.

Dallas won game two. Dallas won game three. So they lost game two. They lost game three when they tried to. Yes. Stop. Just stop. Just sit up here.

Well, you know, sometimes we can't overthink it. Go ahead, Ocho. They got to stick with what we were. It worked during the regular season. It got you to the point. It was the reason why you were number one. Stay with what you know. But obviously, I guess the coach might have been frustrated

with not getting enough production out of Giddy. He felt maybe let's make a change in the middle of it. If it had worked and they had won tonight, then we'd be praising them. But the fact that it didn't work and, yep, it is If it had worked and they had won tonight, then we'd be praising them. But the fact that it didn't work, and it is what it is. Now you got do or die.

Now you got do or die. You're either going to force a game, what, seven, right? You force a game seven, or you're going to Cancun, one or the other. Yeah. You look at the kind of production that he gave you with those 11 minutes. So, and maybe, what if he gives you those in the beginning and not when they're down like they were down, Gil?

Because, you know, you look at it like it had 11 points, but what if he gives you those 11 points in the first half where it's nipped up? Right. And you don't go down nine. You don't go down 12. You don't go down nine. You don't go down 12. You don't go down 18. Like you said, it's easy to say Ocho nine. Hindsight is a magnificent science because you know the outcome

having done what you've done. But like you said, had it worked out, everybody would have called him a genius and say, see, now you know why he won coach of the year. Right. That's facts. 3-2-C, they can pick number one seed. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company.

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the Celtics have advanced to the Eastern Conference Final. Boston plays the winner of the Knicks Indy Series. Jason Tatum did a bit of everything. 25 points, 10 rebounds, 9 assists, 4 steals, 3 made threes. Al Horford, 22 points, 6 made threes, 15 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 blocks. Derek White siding, 18 points, 4 made threes, 5 rebounds, 6 assists. Donovan Mitchell, Karris LeVert, Jared Allen, all missed tonight's elimination game.

Give those guys credit because they fought to the very end. Reports of some member of the Cavs were frustrated with Allen after he refused an injection to try to numb the pain and play through the rear vision. Yeah. Yeah.

You're supposed to take that cortisone shot, man. You got to go ahead and take that cortisone. Everybody ain't built the same, Gil. I mean, you, I'm taking it. Damn the playoffs, I'm taking that shot in the regular season game. So you know what I'm going to do to get into the playoffs because you understand how few, ain't no guarantees.

Not with the playoffs. I can see if a guy missed a regular season game, I'd be like, damn, bro. You know we only got 16 of these things, but a postseason game? He ready to go. He's ready to go. He's like, yeah, y'all.

Yeah, this vacation time, man. Without me, without Spider, y'all can't, yeah, this vacation time, man. Without me, without Spider, yeah, y'all can't win this, man. No! Yeah, and I get it. I mean, Ocho, we've seen it. I mean, guys, like,

you see some guys shooting up, taking tournals, shooting up ankles, shooting up shoulders, shooting up elbows, shooting up, you know, everything. You try to go out there and play. Yeah, I mean, listen. And then you see some guys,

nah, man, I don't believe in them needles. Yeah. Hey, listen, it all... Man, you smoke more weed than anything. What that do with you and your love? You talking about you don't believe in no needles. Yeah. It all come down to how much does it mean to you?

How important it is to you? I'm sure at some point he's been injured before. At some point he's taken the total, whether it be the pill or whether it be the shot. I just sure at some point he's been injured before. At some point, he's taken the total, whether it be the pill or whether it be the shot. I just think, mentally, he just wasn't there

and he wasn't taking it. Yeah, for sure. He was ready. You can sense that in the games, man, where when you're in the playoffs, you're down three, two, three, one.

Listen, I get to go home tomorrow. I get to go on vacation tomorrow versus preparing, then getting ready for Boston again on Friday or Saturday. I can be on vacation. Right. Right. And when you're in that game trying to figure out who's coming with you,

you can sense it just the way they come in the locker room. No, he gone. locker room. No, he gone. He gone. Yeah, he ain't doing it. He out of here. He out of here. I accept everything that come with it. You know, hey, man, look. The concussion, I

understand what I was asked. It's called assumption of the risk. Yeah. You go to the ballpark, you expect the ball to fly up in the stand, so you need to pay attention. So if you get hit in the head with a ball because you're eating a hot dog or drinking a Coke,

who are you mad at? Right. I understood. So I was all the, my hips, my knees, if I had a chance to do it all over again, you know what I'm doing, Ocho? I'm taking my black ass right back out there

and do it again. Right. When I had an opportunity, you know, the disability, when guys were taking advantage, that same thing that Big Baby was doing, I said, bro, I don't want no part of that. I said, bro, I knew what I was getting into.

They told me, say, you know, Shannon, long term. I said, man, don't tell me nothing about long term. Hell, I ain't promised tomorrow. I'm worried about today. And if I see tomorrow, I'm like, damn, I probably shouldn't have did that. But I'm good with it. Once you advise me, I'm like, damn, I probably shouldn't have did that. But I'm good with it. Once you advise me, I'm big boy now because I throw all that away to make sure my family, my grandma, my kids, that they got it.

I ain't even worried about me. That thought never even crossed my mind, no joke. Once I was in a situation that they were comfortable, man, I'd take shots every game, and I did. 93, 94, I was shooting on my ankles down near every game. Damn. Yeah, hell yeah.

Man, I got to get it up out there. My granny comfortable now. I got air conditioned. And we ain't got to dip water out the washing machine. We ain't got to hang clothes on the fence or the clothesline. We got to wash and dry.

Right. Man, please. I wish I might. Man, Gil. What? We got to wash and dry. Man, please. I wish I might. Man, Gil, what? We got nice feet. My grandma ain't got a bag. Peas and okra and all that stuff and keeping them in the deep freeze and all that stuff.

Man, please. Y'all got a lot of insurance money when y'all retire? Hell no. What insurance money? Like what they got in trouble for with big baby and some of the football players nah I mean yeah if you try to scam the system and talk about you got disability but I ain't want no part of that

gift oh yeah I got about what five hundred six hundred thousand dollars to use nah I'm going to use my five seventy because I know I know I'm going to go limp at some point and I don't have money to get it back up I'm going to use my $65.70. Because I know I'm going to go limp at some point. And I don't have money to get it back up.

I'm telling you. I need my knees or my ankles. Yeah. Gil, if they got it, I'm going to wait until I'm about 70. So I'm going to give you some meat extension. Yeah. Hey, Jojo. You got to be smart on this one.

I'm going to use my insurance for the right stuff. What am I using for at 30, Ocho? What am I using for at 36? You right. Listen, I'm with you when you're right. I'm off. I got it. I got 10 to 90s.

I got all kind of stuff. I was like, man, I got about 30 more years and I can go. I got all kind of stuff. I was like, man, I got about 30 more years and I can go ahead and dip in on this one. Yeah. Nah, but for me, the stuff, like certain things,

I just, I'm just not built like that. Yeah. And for like, like, I'm very fortunate. God really blessed me that I played 14 years.

I was able to take care of my money. I went right to CBS, got a job, left CBS, was out of CBS for two years, went to Fox, stayed there for seven years. And then we kind of started our own thing. I had clubs, Shea Shea. And then Ocho, you and I started our thing. We

brought Gil on. And so now I'm back. I got two days a week with First Take. I'm good. You know what I tell my kids? My kids say, damn, because they know I'm in the stock market. They're like, damn, daddy, I guess you lost some money today. I say, no, I ain't losing no money. Y'all lost money.

Because daddy good. That's y'all money that the stock market playing with. Daddy good. Yeah. Y'all better hope the stock market keep going up. Because daddy going to be OK. That's y'all money. Me, I'd rather see,

because I understand. Ocho, you've been around. You've seen the guys, and I don't know how often you go to the Super Bowl events, but when I used to go and I see the old guys that played in the 50s, the 60s, and 70s, and I see how they get around,

man, I couldn't even get conscious because I know there are guys that try to get it, the insurance, and can't. And there's some jackass over here trying to defraud it.

Nah, I can't even get down with them like that, man. I can't even take it. I don't need it. I'm good. Like I said, I'll pay it out of my pocket. Wait, nah,

y'all don't have like just a car that has your insurance on it. No, we got a car that has your insurance on it. No, we got a car that just has money on it. That's what they were using. Bro, no, Gil, you get insurance for five years, and you get to determine when you use it. So for me, I retired at 35.

So at the age of 40, my insurance through the NFL was done. Yeah. So all my kids, I'm paying out of my pocket for me. I'm paying out of my pockets for my kids, but that's okay. I'm good. I can live with that.

Right. I would rather do that than to try to skimp and, and somebody else get turned down because people like, and I mean, I'm trying to defraud the system. I'm good. Like I said, God bless me. That's just the way I think. So, nah, nah, nah,

nah, nah. I was out of insurance, NFL insurance at the age of 40, Gia. Oh, yeah, nah. Ours is, we die. Right? We get, we know. So our money runs out. That's, we don't have no time limit. Five, five, yeah, five years after you're done playing. That's it.

It's a wrap. But you can take it. No, no. You can take it whenever you want to. So you can wait and say, okay. Because think about it. If you play five years, let's just say the average NFL career

is three years. So a guy that comes in the league at 22, he done at 25. So now he takes his insurance from 25 to 30. Now, he live to be 72. He got 42 years. He got to do pen-pen for himself. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. So, no, no, no, no, no. And so that's what I got upset about the players. I said, guys, y'all keep talking about, oh, less practice, less padded practice. Man, y'all need to try to get some lifetime benefits. Yeah.

Because everybody ain't going to be making Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow money. What about them guys? Ocho, you know, they look at them guys like, oh, man, man, I get me a signing bonus. Okay. That sounds good. Because I remember them guys signed that same bull job.

Because when I first got into the league, Ocho, there was no free agency. Yeah. And we were talking about it. I said, man, what about insurance? Man, I ain't never had no insurance before. So hell, we had to pick and choose. You had to have your head damn near chopped out

before you went to the doctor. You weren't going to no doctor. My grandma put some cobwebs and some gauze on it. And you good to go. Yeah. And I remember having a conversation with the guy. I said, guys, man, we need to battle. What about some lifetime benefit?

You know what the guys said? And there are a lot of prominent people that thought like this. Man, you give me a million dollar signing bonus, I'll buy my own insurance. Okay? Yeah, okay. That sounded good at the time. Now them same, hey, some of them same old folks,

oh, man, man, the NFL, they do you wrong. They didn't. Because you said if they do you wrong they didn't because you said if they give you a million dollar signing bonus cause guys wasn't making money back then

nah guys wasn't making money like that I remember I got into the league I think John L was making like two million dollars a year oof

god damn I mean and he was one of that one of like the five highest paid players and they making two million dollars

man you give me a million dollars to side, bro. I'm straight. I said, bro, do y'all understand how, like if you got a wife and you got three kids, million dollars, woo.

You already know how they live it, Ocho. Ain't nobody living like you grew up. Out the door. Out the door. Man, I just, like I said, but I don't, look don't look and say i also we different because i never wanted to go back to the situation that i was in i never wanted to eat what i had to eat and so i'm willing to do anything to stay out of that situation you know what i'm saying as far as if i need to shoot up an ankle hey i shot I shot up both shoulders. I done shot up ribs

until I was like, hey, man, that thing got too painful. Shoot up the ribs, get up the thing. I was like, I'm good. I have to fight through it. I'm going to fight through this one. I mean, on my shoulders, I couldn't even raise my arms. I was like walking around like Frankenstein. And they put that medicine in that Ocho,

I can do jumping jack. Did I remember I cracked back on Ronnie Lott. My whole body seized up. I was out of that thing in the third quarter, though. All right, guys. It's time for our first segment of the night, and it's called a News Cap. News cap.

J.J. Redick is reportedly the early favorite to land the Lakers' head coaching job. Mark Stein reported the Lakers' job might be as well his to lose in the interview process as front office ramps up its search. Redick does not have any coaching experience. He's worked as an analyst for ESPN and built a podcast network since his retirement from the NFL, excuse me,

NFL, NBA in 2021. While some expressed confusion at Reddick's desire for a head coaching role given his media success, he said his competitive drive is not being satisfied at the moment. Gil, what you think?

It's a great opportunity, but it's short-lived. If you just go on to coach just to put it on your resume, do your thing. But if you're talking about longevity of coaching, coaching the Lakers is not it. No.

Coaching LeBron himself is not it. Everybody, remember, everybody who's coached LeBron has been winners because LeBron has been a winner. So they've had winning records. Everyone, Blake, Ty Lue, shit. Ty Lue won a championship. LeBron left six games later without LeBron. He got fired. Fired. Six games later without LeBron. He got fired.

Six games later. Boom. So you got Luke Walton. He had a winning record. I mean, before he got there. You had Frank. He had a winning record. Won a championship. He out of there. Luke had a boot, O'Gill.

Remember how Luke went 39-4 with Golden State? They're like, oh, yeah, he can go for real. He can go for real. Then you got Darvin Hamm, who has a winning record, out of there. So there's no longevity in this job. So, you know, it's one of those things that you just want to put it on your resume. I was a Lakers coach, and I can get another job after this.

If that's the play, then go ahead, do your thing. If not, you wait for the right opportunity. Yeah. I mean, now that you say that, when you talk about the right opportunity, how many opportunities like this represent itself to coach a historic franchise, winning franchise like that, like the LA Lakers? When I think about players that have played that also coach using football as an analogy, similar to that of Jeff Saturday, what can Jeff Saturday get out of those players when he went to the Colts? A player's coach, a player that understands the players as a coach. I think about the same thing with J.J. Redick. What person or personnel could you add

as a coach for the Lakers that will get the most out of the players? Someone that played the game, someone that understands the game, someone that I think LeBron would want as a coach who understands what players are going through, understands the stuff that they need to do game by game. And I think it's a good look. And when you say it's not a good look for him, he should wait for the right opportunity. Well, this is, I think, an opportunity like this probably won't present itself again to be able to coach for a historic franchise like this.

So you got to take that job, even if it is short-lived, because I think J.J. Redick is one that can get the most out of the players that are there. Even though he has no experience, you're bringing another coach that has experience. Hell, his career there is going to be short-lived as well, just like everybody else. So, J.J., might as well just take it.

Look here. Let's be all the way 1,000 with this thing. Just like Dayton Kim Kardashian. You already know she's going to break up with you, but she's still Kim Kardashian. That's still the Lakers' job. You know they're going to fire your ass after two years. But guess what? That's still coaching the Lakers. job. You know they're going to fire your ass after two years. Yep. But guess what?

That's still coaching the Lakers. Yeah. You got to take it. You got to take it. So, okay, I rolled the dice. Hey, I got two years out of it. Got me a couple of pad tacks. Got me a Lambo truck.

You know what I'm saying? I went to the Met Gala. Yeah, I did it up big. Okay, I already know I'm going to get the boot. Yeah. It is what it is. I think it's personal for me because I was JJ's

teammate. I don't feel like killing him next year. That's all, man. I don't feel... Because I got to do what I got to do. He's the coach, so I got to kill a coach when they're doing bad. I'll try to be easy on him. He is a good dude.

Very smart. He works his tail off. When we played in Orlando, I've never seen someone outwork me. Well, in the weight room, that was easy because I wasn't even trying to be it. But when it came to cardio, JJ had put that thing on. He'd run for five, ten miles. He'd just put it on a treadmill, get the going, right? So he was really fit, and I just never understood, like, how do you just run like this? He's like, that's what I do in the game. I got to be in shape, right? So he's a student, so, you know, it would be a great opportunity. I just don't want to kill him, and I don't want to see a good dude get fired. Hey, you already know what it is. I mean, you're going with the Lakers.

I mean, Frank Vogel won a title. He came back, and I think they lost in the second round. And then he ended up getting fired. I mean, like I said, there ain't no long term in it. I mean, nah. Like I said, I mean, how do you turn a job like that? How do you say no to the Steelers, how do you turn a job like that? How do you say no to the Steelers?

How do you say no to the Giants? How do you say no to the Packers? How do you say no to one of these cornerstone franchises? Okay, how do you say no to the Knicks? How do you say no to the Celtics, to the Lakers? You don't say no to those franchises, do you? You already know what it is. If I don't win, damn.

If I don't win, I'm going to be up out of there. Oh, well. You made me say it because I don't say no to hands. So I know damn well I'm not saying no to franchises. You right. Y'all right. Y'all got me. Y'all right on that one, yo.

I'm going to die. Hey. Like you said, the competition, I mean, look, what we try to do here is that we try to create, and Gil, you know you have your own podcast, and I really appreciate Ocho and I, we appreciate you jumping on with us on Wednesday night. But you try to create and produce the best content you possibly can.

Right. But it's not the same as like, I'm competing against, you know, the Boston Celtics or you're on the court and you're competing against another guy. We try to create the best content we possibly can. Are there a lot of people that do what we do? Sure. But I'm not in competition with them. Our competition is ourself.

Can we do better than what we did the last show? Can we do better than what we did the last show? Can we do better than what we did last week? How do we reinvent ourselves? You know, today I dropped the pod with Kel Mitchell, and if you haven't seen it, go check it out on Club Shay Shay. But we had a live performance

to start it off, and a live performance to close it out. So I'm constantly, CJ and I, Ash and I, we're constantly trying to come up with ways how do we get better? We got to keep the pressure on because just when you think I'm over here, I ain't over there. I'm over there.

Ah, man. I mean, that's the thing. Sometimes people get complacent with the success and think that everybody else is like, it's just like a race, right? Someone's chasing you, right? So if you ain't turning it up or trying to turn it up, they're going to catch you at some point. That's just life. So you got to always try to reinvent, keep moving, because once someone sees you do something,

they're going to do it. So you can be ready to do something else. So let them chase you versus they see you do something. They try to tweak it, do it better. Now you chasing your own idea. And that happens a lot. Yeah. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen.

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Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, I'm just, look, I'm just a player. I play. I don't care who the coach is. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Yeah. That's the way.

Hey, if I make it like some of these basketball players, hell, y'all bring Sky Bree out there. She can coach me. I don't care nothing about that. Hey, I got a job to do. Now, some people might think, like, Shannon, what's your lowest? Some of my lowest moments in my professional career, two coaches got fired on my watch. Dan Reeves got fired.

Wade Phillips got fired. And there are a lot of times that I ask myself, well, Shannon, had you become what you later became, had you become that earlier, could you have saved those men their jobs? Yeah. Because each guy believed in me. Dan Reed drafted me and told me, say, you're too big, too fast, too strong, not to make a living for you. Now, he didn't think I was going to turn out to be what I became. Right. And, you know, I used to talk to him before he passed, rest his soul, Dan.

He used to have a conversation. He'd say, son, he'd say, son, I didn't know you'd turn out to be this, but I knew you could play in the league. Wade Phillips went and hired Jim Fossil, my first, my offensive coordinator, rest his soul. And he put his office in. He said, son, I'm going to build an office around your skill set

behind number seven, which was Elway. You're the best player on this team. And I'm going to build an office around you. One of the first guys that was a tight end that had an offensive build around him. And those guys got fired on my watch. And I went to bed at midnight, and I was like, I asked myself,

had I become what I later became, had I been that in year one, year two, year three, could I have saved their job? And so it irks me when I see guys not busting their ass or say stuff negative about the coach. That irks me. It really does. Damn. Damn.

But, man, people talk about Sky. Man, go ahead, old man. Y'all see, I... Y'all, I said... You know who Sky Bree is, don't you? Sky Bree? Who that is, coach? Yeah, you know that. How I do it. How I do it.

Hey, Sky, who is that? Who is that? Help me out. You know, you know, I said, she's a little something, something. You know, she might be famous for vertical activity that she's good at. Oh, she a hooper? Oh, yeah.

Who she play for? Who she play for? You know, she got a whole? Oh, yeah. Who she play for? Who she play for? Who she play for? You know, she got a whole little thing, you know. Huh? You said y'all. Man, y'all need to stop, man. Y'all need to stop.

Y'all be on that bull jive, man. Hold on. Who she play for? Who she play for? Who she play for? You know, back in the day, she could have been on my team. She play for? She play for. You know, back in the day, she could have been on my team. She play for on her back.

Oh, so she play for on her back. It might cost about $1,500 right now. $1,500. You get a scene with her right now

for $1,500. Oh, oh, oh, she won them. She won them. Okay, okay, okay. Y'all had me lost for a minute. We talking basketball. I'm talking. Okay, okay, okay. Y'all had me lost for a minute. We talking basketball.

I'm talking about a different kind of hoop. Right now, she might be the Kola Jokic of her sport. Her profession? Yeah, she that good. Yeah, baby. Oh, she better than Sarah J? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

I learned a little something. Hey, hold on. Let me write that name down. Hold on. Hey, Osho, don't you write that name down. Hold on. I got to do my homework.

I got to do my homework. Wait, hold on. What's her name again? Research Purposes on... Sky Bree. Sky Bree? Mm-hmm. And she sound like a hooper

because as soon as you think about Sky, Sky Bree, that's a perfect basketball name, too. I mean, you feel pretty good. You get a couple of baskets on that one. Yeah, okay.

Okay, okay, okay. I'm going to check it out. Man, what y'all be hiding? Man, somebody told me, but I don't know, man. Y'all must be thinking I'm some kind of pervert or some kind of freak or something. Hey, hey, hey.

She ain't just not no more. The Kobe of it. Yeah, yeah. Yo, yo, yo. Hold on. Time out, time out, time out, time out. I'm confused. I'm confused. How is this individual that good

and that experienced and I know nothing about her? And she look good too. I don't know. I typed her name in. It started off four guys. I'm like, damn. She need a whole team.

She ain't without that. Y'all know how I like my women. Wait. I'll let you know. It's one-on-one. I'm all in the paint. I ain't doing nothing but scoring in the paint. I ain't taking no joke. Hold up. Four at one time? Yeah.

Yeah. See, there y'all go. Hey, let's go ahead. We'll talk about Bronny at the NBA Combine. Okay. I know you want to play one-on-one. You're going to be looking like Rudy Goldberg. Oh, no. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. Sit down there. you're going to be looking like Rudy Goldberg oh no sit down

so you already know so you go into a situation like that you already know oh Joe and I got that brush I went to the Chinese shop and got that brush on him. So, hey, it's over.

Man, look here. That be the longest scene in history. Yeah. Now y'all got me. I got her. Hey, baby!

Look up Sky Bree. Man, you about to get in the board. You about to get kicked out the house. Oh, oh, oh no, oh no.

We, hey listen, we, we do our homework man and we try to find, we, we, we watch stuff like watching film and we figure out things

that we can actually do and bring home to the bedroom. So, hey, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, ain't no problem, ain to the bedroom. So, hey, we open like that. Ain't no problem. Ain't no problem.

So, we going to study some of Sky Bree film tonight. Yeah, Sky Bree. Yeah, she better than Bella Donna. She better than Bella Donna. Bella who? Don't do it. Don't do it. That's another name? Hold on Yeah, but she's a little older

Bella Donna? Yeah She about 50-something, man Oh, she still in action at 50-something? Yeah Nah, I hope not It's more controlled. It's more 2020 by

herself. Okay, okay, okay. I used to see you run up and down. All this one-on-one by yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's me. That's me, Gil. That's me. That's me. Yeah, that's me. I like this. See, that's why I like Nightcap

because this shit is so informative. It's so informative because y'all might improve certain areas of my life, you know, not even knowing me. Not even knowing you improve certain areas of my life by bringing attention

to things that I've never seen before that I can use at home and improve in certain areas. Like, that's why I fucking love this shit. You know, ain't nothing this shit. You know, ain't nothing like him. You know, you catch the right one out there, Joe.

Listen, he in the vintage mode. Like, I know these names because I was 10, 11, you know, with the squiggly line. Right? But when the TV had a squiggly line and you might see something, that's how I know those names. Ah, okay, okay, okay,

okay, okay. Yeah, you know, back in the day, you know what I'm saying? You know, back in the day, I don't... I gotta say, I gotta say, I ain't got but like probably a thousand left in me

you know what I'm saying I can't I can't use them all up look at that huh man you know what I'm saying I ain't got but a thousand left I ain't got but a thousand

I got insurance you know I got a thousand I gotta save I gotta spread them out I can't be watching yeah yeah and y'all boy yeah I like that's why I see when I you. I got to spread them out. I can't be watching. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like that.

That's why I say when I'm home, I don't do a whole lot of talking. I only got so many breaths left. Right, right, right. I ain't got time to be wasting time talking at home. I'm quiet. You know, I can't be looking at no magazines and

watching no television. I only got so many left for your boy. I know that. Bronny James at the NBA come by today. He had a team-high 13 points on a 4-10 shooting. 23 minutes. LeBron was in attendance along with his lovely wife Savannah

and general manager Rob Palenka. Bronny also compared his game to players like Holiday, Davion Mitchell, Derek White Says he wants to impact winning That way Gil, you watched the last two days of Bronny You saw the shooting clinic that he had

From the three point line What do you like and what do you think his Ceiling is What do you think Junior What can he be You know what, the people he named That's exactly where his game is right now. Right?

The Marcus Smarts. Eric, was it Eric Gordon? Yeah. That's the type of player he is right now on how he plays the game. But he did punch in a 40.5. Yeah. He do have a 6'7 wingspan. So he can be a little bit better than those guys.

Right now, I like that he's in tune with his game. He doesn't have these expectations that the rest of the world have on him. Oh, I'll be John Moran. Yeah, I'm not John Moran. Yeah. I'm not John Moran. I'm not Westbrook. This is who I am.

Right. I hit quality shots. Right. I take the right shot. I play the game the right way. You know, if I got to like what we complain about LeBron, when he makes the right play, that's who Bronny is.

Right. That's, that's the game LeBron fell in love with from his daddy that I make the right play. If I only take three shots and we won by 30, that's what it was. I've watched him in high school, and I've watched him in AAU, and he's had monster teams, and he gave them the ball. Mm-hmm.

Right? Even though he, that's what I'm saying, the kid has a 40.5-inch vertical. He can shoot lights out. He can pass. So he can be selfish and take 35 shots. He just doesn't like to play the game that way. Right. So his comparable of who he wants to be like and who his game is, is perfect.

You can find that guy at 17 to early second round. Yeah. What do you think, Ocho? I mean, I like it. I like it. Obviously, being very humble. Being very humble with his comparisons. But the thing about it,

with those comparisons, he can continue to improve his game in many areas. He can continue to improve his game in many areas, except especially like what Gil said. He makes the right passes. He takes the right shots. He doesn't force anything. And obviously, he's like what Gil said, he makes the right passes. He takes the right shots. He doesn't force anything. And obviously he's like his dad in the sense as far as being a facilitator first.

And when the shots come, he'll take them. He doesn't force them. But again, he can improve. I'm not saying he's going to be a Russell Westbrook or he's going to be a John Marant, but he can continue to improve and his ceiling can increase way more than what we think it should be. And as far as the expectations from the outside world

and all the noise coming from them, because who your father is and the expectations, the fact that he's ignoring that, and I'm sure his dad has him well-groomed and ready to be able to ignore that and to really make a name for himself

and just improve his game as the years go by. I think he's going to be all right, especially with the way he looks today. He looked really good today. He did. Athletic. But like you said, I mean, he has realistic expectations. Everybody come here, oh, I'm going to be LeBron. I'm going to be the next Kobe.

I'm going to be the next Kevin Durant. Man, stop. Hopefully you don't get sent down to the G League. You know what the best part about this is? What's that? He's playing. Normally, the high-level kids, I know some of

those kids that are in the draft, like the Saar, the Rob Dillingham, they're not in Chicago playing. Right? So the fact that he is not scared to go against the competition that's there. Like for some people, they're scared because you go there and you get embarrassed. You lose your stock. He's trying to build his stock to show you, look, I can play.

Like put me in an environment. This is not college. I've worked on my game. And here I am here to show what I can do. I'm not ducking any smoke. So the fact that he's out here. His dad didn't play in Chicago. Anybody in the first round usually don't play in Chicago.

Okay. In the last couple years, right? Think about the high-level guys you've heard of that got drafted. You've never seen tape on them playing. So the fact that he's out there saying, I'm not scared of anything. I'm out here playing. Look at me now. It shows you that

he's calling the shots because if this was LeBron, LeBron would be like, hey, just work out by yourself. Let's work out by yourself. We're going to protect your image a little bit. He's like, nah, let me go out there and show I can play with these guys. I ain't talking. It's kind of like

guys, Ocho, you know, I got some guys like, man, I ain't doing nothing to the combat. I'm going to wait until I get to it. My environment, my quarterback's going to throw me the ball. My receiver's going to catch the ball. I'm going to be at my pro day. And then you get some guys like, I don't give a damn because I'm not going to always play in my home stadium i'm gonna be on the road i'm gonna

throw in a different receiver so i might as well go and show you that i ain't ducking no smoke right i'm michael casson founder and ceo of 3c ventures and your guide on good company the podcast where i sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content,

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