Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Mavericks win Game 1, Pacers blow it vs. Celtics

Episode Date: May 23, 2024

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Gilbert Arenas react to the Mavericks winning game 1 vs. Timberwolves, Pacers blowing game 1 vs. the Celtics & discuss whether NFL players will ever make as much as NBA players.03:41 - Show starts06:41 - Mavs beat Timberwolves25:44 - Celtics beat Pacers42:05 - Newscap42:13 - All NBA first teams(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Mavs go on the road. Beat the Minnesota Timberwolves 108-105. Luke and Kyrie took turns getting buckets to seal the game. Game one finals. Luka, 33 points, eight assists, six rebounds. Kyrie Irving, 30 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists. Game 2 is on Friday. Gil, I'm going to go to you first because this is your level of expertise.

What did you like? What was the difference in this ballgame to your best guess estimation of why the Mavs were able to go on the road and beat the Minnesota Timberwolves, the red-hot Minnesota Timberwolves? You know, game 1 is usually the easiest one for the road because it's under pressure of the home team to get the first one. So I thought irritating Kyrie by Ant-Man saying publicly, I'm going to guard him,

on goal mode in the first half, right? Yes. The Kyrie we've seen in the second half is what Kyrie we've been seeing in the last two rounds. He's just being, he's just letting the game come to him. But the fact that, you know, Ant-Man...

You challenged him. You challenged him, and that's not the dude you want to do that to. So you carried him in the first half while Luka was struggling, and then so carry them in the first half while luca was struggling and then they switch roles in the second half then that's the great thing about having two guys who can do the same thing that when one is lacking the other one picks up the slack so i thought they did a great job and the two stars played great when they needed to be um there oh jo? I mean, listen.

I told you who I picked to win the series. The Mavs got away with one. I think Ant-Man poking the bear. I'm not going to say upsetting Kyrie, but just challenging Kyrie. Kyrie was up for the challenge. He showed us. He showed the rest of the world what he's capable of doing.

He's one of those people, like a light switch, he can turn it on when he wants to. Again, in the first half, he showed out. He made a statement because he was challenged. In the second half, I think he put it in crew control and Luka Doncic took over from that point on. I mean, it was cool. It was a good game. The Mavs got this one, but we know who's going to win a series.

Listen, the Mavs won the battle tonight, but the war, they will not win. You know what? Gil, I don't know if you and Ocho, I was surprised how well the Mavericks rebounded the ball because you got seven plus feet, Rudy Gobert.

You got seven foot cap. You got 6'10", 6'11", Nazri. You go 6'8", Jayden Daniels. So I thought they would have a substantial because that's what Minnesota do. They beat you up got seven foot cat you got six ten six eleven naz read you go six eight jane daniels so i thought they would have a substantial because that's what minnesota do they beat you up on the glass because they can get rebound after rebound because they're always going to have a seven footer on the court either cat or rudy's going to be on the court or naz read so you're going to go 16 or above for 48 minutes of the ball game so you you knowing that being said, Dallas out-rebounded them by eight. I was surprised by how well Dallas points in the paint.

Now, we know Minnesota can live in the paint, but for the most part, they get there, you know, can't want to shoot threes. Naz Reed can go inside, but he's going to shoot three. Jane Daniels was six of eight. McDaniels was six of eight from the three. So I don't know if I'm really surprised by how well – a few points in the paint that Minnesota have,

given the way they play the game, Gil. Yeah, you know, Rudy's going to have 10 points, 12 points. They're going to be dunked. That's going to be in the paint. And it can slash to the basket. But for the most part, they're going to be shooting the ball from the outside. But I was surprised by how well the Mavericks rebounded

the basketball and how good a job they did of defending Cat, what job they did of defending Ant. Ant got a couple baskets. He's a great player. He's going to get his baskets. But I thought they did a good job overall limiting the damage that he could possibly do in

this game. They took job overall limiting the damage that he could possibly do in this game yeah they um they took they did what denver started to do with ant-man in game um six and seven right doubling them keeping them out of the paint right because when ant-man is driving and getting those fouls putting pressure on the defense right it opens up everything. So the fact that they kept him out of the lane made him take tougher shots than he wanted to, making him second guess some of those

mid-range jumpers that he's used to taking. You know Cat is going to sit around a three-point line. Rudy Gober is not a factor on offense unless he's getting a put back or he's right under the basket. Nasri, same thing. He's a jump shooter. So if you can keep them on a perimeter,

you should be able to secure the defensive rebounds, right? Right. This is the game where Cat has to do what Luka did in the second half. Like what Luka was doing in the first half, shooting a bunch of threes. In the second half, he used his size to get inside. Yes. Pulling up mid-range, attacking, getting fouled.

He used his height to his advantage and said, wait a minute, they're not very good back there. This is not this series. So what Cat and Rudy is good at, that doesn't affect this team right here. We're big guards, and we're going to use our height. We're going to get down there, put more pressure on you, and that's what they did in the second half. Yeah.

I really like the way Mendoza, because you know Cat, a lot of times, excuse me, Cat, not Cat, Ant. Ant, he'll look to score, but if you notice, a lot of times, guys, he was driving the ball, looking to kick for a three. And Jaden McDaniels was the beneficiary of that. We saw Naz Reed. He was the beneficiary of that.

And look, they won the – the Mavs was 6-25 from the three, 24%. The Timberwolves was 18-49, which is about 37%, 36.7. And the Mavericks shot 40, almost 50%. If you can shoot 50, it's going to be, Ocho,

your pick's going to be in trouble because if you let Dallas shoot 50% with all that height you got, with all that size you got, you're going to be in trouble. Now, we know at some point in time, they're going to be in trouble. Now, we know at some point in time, they're going to have some...

Kyrie's going to get hot from the three. But Luka is going to be, you know, instead of being three or ten, for the sake of argument, he goes six or twelve. Kyrie goes four of six. They made six threes tonight.

We know they're capable of making somewhere between 10 and 15. Right. That means in order for you to keep what you got, you're going to have to keep doing the Timberwolves. Can you shoot 18 for 49?

Can you shoot 18 of 40? Because I don't believe the Mavs are going to shoot any worse from the three in what they shot tonight. Gil, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't believe it. I don't believe Kyrie's going to go 0-3, have another 0-4. Luka's going to shoot

30% from the three. I don't believe that. I mean, but what we can also do is they can use their length and their size and their height to their advantage and stop playing on the perimeter. But that's who they are. Naj Reed, Rudy Gerber. Hey, play with your back to the perimeter. But that's who they are. Nas Reed. That's who they are.

Rudy Gerber. Hey, play with your back to the basket. Play down in the post. Run the offensive differently. Have a different scheme. Have a different scheme. Another way to approach the game. If you know you're taller, a little bigger,

take advantage of those situations because they're undersized. Why continue to do the same thing and want to have a goddamn three-point mid-range contest against a team that has, you could arguably say, better shooters at certain spots in certain areas?

Because this is who they are. How do I ask a bear not to take a dump in the wood when that's all he's ever done? Why are you asking the Timberwolves How do I ask a bear not to take a dump in the wood when that's all he's ever done? Why do I? Why are you asking? Why are you asking the Timberwood? Say, guys, y'all seven foot Rudy, go seven plus foot Rudy, seven plus foot cat.

I mean, at least seven. It's 6'10 to 6'11 Naz Reed. Why are you asking us to do something? How do you think they got here? I have I have a question. Yes. Cat. Cat is not one-dimensional.

He chooses to play one-dimensional. He chooses to play one-dimensional. But if you want to, if you want to get your ass in home early, keep doing what you've been doing. Obviously, hell, the man's been watching film. They know we like to play out on the perimeter.

Yes. So what are they going to do? I'm going to let him. You said it. How do you tell a bear not to shit in the woods? Easy. There's a bear trap right there, goddammit. You take that shit, you're going to fall into it.

You over here shooting 50 damn threes. You're not going to win. You're shooting 18 for 49. You're not going to win that game because even though they look like they shot worse, they made it up in free throws. They made it up in free throws. They went 16 for 17 for the free throw line. So those little

points that you got at the three-point line, they got it in the free throw line. That's where the game is. You shot 53's but 89 shots in total? And you're the

giant? You got the giant? They deserve that. They deserve that ass whooping. I'm sorry. Look, I love Cavs game because I think he can do it all. He can shoot the ball. He can put the ball on the floor. Yes, he can play with his back to the basket, but Cat don't like contact.

That physicality, everybody's not built like that. Just because you're seven foot tall is like Wimby. You're like, man, Wimby, you're seven foot tall. Wimby ain't trying to bang like that. Guys don't want to game because now that's where the stretch come in. Oh, he's a stretch five and he's a stretch this because of the physicality

in the game. A lot of the physicality has been legislated out. So now there's more space. And it looks better. If I'm seven foot tall and I'm pulling up from 3-0 choke, that looks a lot better than me banging, turning around throwing a little soft baby hook or up and under. That looks better.

And you know how we love aesthetics. I'm not going to make no highlight show doing no back to the basket. But let me rain this three on your head. Let me hit this step back three at seven foot tall. Hold on, Nat. Some of these big at seven foot tall. Hold on. Some of these big men have footwork. There's artwork in a masterpiece when you have a big man

down there that can play in the post that has footwork and ability to make moves. Start with the basic fundamentals and go from there. Tim Duncan, David Robinson, that was artwork. That was artwork down there in the post.

That was art. But they don't play like that. How many threes did you think Elijah Wan, Patrick Ewan, David Robinson? None. Exactly. None. But now that's the point I'm saying.

Cat has the ability to do that. If you already know they're waiting on you to play on the perimeter, they already know you're going to shoot the mid-range, come in next game and do something completely different. Start off in the block. You told me, this is what you told me, when we talk about football, don't let the

defense, don't you let them, you dictate. Yeah, don't let them dictate. They dictate. No, they're not. They're letting you do what you want to do dictate yeah don't let them dictate they dictate no they're not they let you do what you want to do they try to stop you you said he don't want to get hit who he gonna get hit by the person that's guarding him six six two ten see what i see what i mean yes see what i mean take it take advantage of your height what what who who six ten or i mean six six two ten What? Who? 6'10"? I mean, 6'6", 2'10", or 6'7", 2'30"? Either way, both of them are considered little dudes compared to 265 at 6'10".

Right? On the math, Luka is actually the second biggest player on the court with his height and weight. Oh, Joe. Yes, sir. Would you rather get stung by a bee or an ant? Ant. Both of them hurt the same. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? So

whether he's only 6'6", 210 banging, that's still contact. Right. You know, some of the hardest hits you done been hit with a light-ass corner that you didn't see. They ain't always, everybody ain't gotta be Ray Lewis.

Everybody ain't gotta be Michael Strahan to drop that hammer on your head. Right, right, right. Especially when you're, that's not your game. That's not, that's not Cam's game, Gil.

You know where Cam wanna be. What kind of ass you talking about? The black ones with the, that love sugar? They don't bite. No, them piss ass do bite. Uh-oh, you talking about them red ones?

I don't know where you see them at. Them little fire, well, see, y'all don't know nothing about them bull ass because if you're from the country, if you go to the cow pasture, you'll see ant mouths. They're called bull ass. They're about this big. They'll light your ass up. I don't know if anybody in the cow pasture, you'll see ant mouths. They're called bull ants. They're about this big. They'll light your ass up. I don't know if anybody in the chat ever...

If you're from the South, y'all know about them red bull ants I'm talking about? No. They'll tear your ass up. No, I don't know about that. Me neither. Oh.

So you... They going against the black ants, the little black ones. Fighting against... Oh, the little black one. Fighting against, oh, the little army ass. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary.

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And they let the Dallas Mavericks almost shoot 50% from the floor tonight. I'm surprised. Yes, I am surprised that the ease in which Dallas got what they wanted, Luka got pretty much in the lane whenever he wanted. Kyrie was doing what he wanted, especially in the first half. And then he deferred, like you guys said, he deferred to the second half to let Luka get gold.

And that's the thing. Because what do we do? If we try to trap Luke and get his ball in his hand, all he's going to do is get the ball to Kyrie and two passes to somebody. Rudy can't cover that much, Garry. Rudy good.

He's defensive player of the year four times. Only two other guys, Ben Wallace and Dikembe, has ever been four times defensive player of the year. But he ain't covering that kind of ground. And everybody out there, with the exception of probably Lively and Gafford, can put the ball on the floor

and get to the rim. Kyrie can do it. P.J. can do it. Exum, he came in to do it. Green can do it. So for the most part, unless you come in to trap off of one of those guys, everybody else can put the ball on the floor and get to the rack. But like you said, guys, it's one game.

They won Sunday, turn around and play. Dallas came ready to play. They's like, okay, but don't be satisfied. If I'm J.K. and I'm like, look, guys, I'm proud of you guys. We came in here and did what we needed to do. But I like sweepstakes. I want to get it look, guys, I'm proud of you guys. We came in here and did what we needed to do. But I like sweepstakes. I want to get it all. See, Ocho, I play Mega Million.

I play Powerball, Fantasy Five, Cashbowl, Pink. You know, I play them all. Man, you greedy. Yeah. They ain't tell me I couldn't play but one. I'm trying to get sweepstakes. I'm trying to win Powerball and Mega Million and Fantasy Five. Don't get too excited.

I don't care how many games you play. I don't care if you even win that. Even if you win the Mega Millions or the Powerball, I'm telling you how the series is going to go. The Wolves gave the Mavs this game tonight. Well, we sure appreciate it. They weren't efficient. Give them three more.

Huh? Give them three more. Oh, that's not going to happen. It's going to seven, and I'm telling you, Ant-Man and them boys are going to win. They're going to win the series. You know what the flaw is? The flaw is I don't think your defensive

player of the year is going to be able to play in a series like that. They might have to bench Rudy. They might think about it. Because offensively, he's not a factor and obviously defensively, he's not either. So when they're picking roles and he

can't switch on the guys and he's just sitting back in a dead drop, that's irrelevant in this series. They don't have Jokic in this series. They have guard play in this series. It looks like they have a bad lineup when they put Anderson

and they have Rudy out there at the same time. You got two guys that are handicapped offensively and then you got one who throws a straight knuckleball. Like he... Oh, you talking about slow motion? I thought he was going to call Kyle Anderson. He was calling a timeout one time. He shot a three. I was like, oh, he about to put it up there and just shot it up. Oh, you're talking about slow motion? I thought he was going to call Kyle Anderson. He was calling a timeout one time. He shot a three.

I was like, oh, he about to put it up there and just shot it up. Oh, no. You can't do three of those. They're leaving you open for a reason. Right? So the fact that they got two guys that can't put the ball in the basket like that, that kind of helps Dallas out a little bit. So he's going to have to tighten up his lineup and be more offensively minded,

knowing that that's all Dallas is thinking about, too. Right. All right. Last night, the Celtics beat the Pacers in overtime. The Pacers committed 22 turnovers, and those miscues led to 32 Boston points. Tyrese Halliburton turned the ball over three times, including three, excuse me, including two in key moments. He dribbled his ball off his foot when Indiana led by three in regulation with 27.5 seconds in regulation,

then lost the ball out of bounds with 102 remaining in overtime. The costliest turnover of the game came with 8.5 seconds left in the fourth quarter. Indiana up 117-114 and Nembhard threw a lazy pass. Pascal Siakam couldn't handle it. Jalen Brown gets his hand on it, but Siakam ends up touching the ball before

it goes out of bounds. And then the dum-dum, the all-time dum-dum thing in the world, you're up three and you let a guy shoot a three. I'm just trying to figure out, Gil, maybe you can help me understand why the hell everybody's standing inside the three-point line. I'm going to stand outside the three-point line and dare you to shoot a two.

Yeah, no, that's facts. It started off with Hallie taking the ball, defending the ball, right? You're supposed to defend baseline side first. Thank you. You're supposed to block baseline off, you know, give you the one, two, three misses to be count, and then jump on the ball and be very active, right?

So if they're going to do throw it, they're going to either throw for a layup or they're going to throw it back to half court. So the fact that they got a corner pass off, knowing that that's probably been in their playbook before and you let it happen, which is a tough shot, right? That's not Klay or Curry or Kevin Durant. It is Brown, and he's a three-point shooter, but he's not deadly from that. So he just made a great shot. You can't be mad at that.

You got to be mad at the fact that your out-of-bounds play that led to the turnover was a horrible design, right? Yes. It wasn't enough space for anybody. Right. You didn't call a timeout. You didn't advance the ball, right? So you can advance the ball now. You can throw it in the backcourt, right?

You handicapped yourself to the space and how you guys designed that play, which was horrible. So, you know, you got to blame the coach and the players for not recognizing just call a timeout. Gil, they let him get a three off a three. I don't care if he can't make it. I don't care if that's Rudy Gobert. I'm not letting you shoot the three.

How? What are you going to do? Stand behind the three. How? What are you going to do? Stand behind the three-point line. Force them to take the two and then make it a free-throw game. I'm not letting you shoot a three. Somebody going to drive and kick it out. Somebody going to be standing at three-point.

Somebody going to be standing at that three-point line. I'm not letting you drive. I'm not letting you get off no three, Gil. I ain't letting you get off no three. Now looking at this free throws, I would be upset now at Holly for not actually going to the ball himself. Pushed everybody out, go for the ball.

You're the only one that shot at least three free throws. Siakam going to, that would have been Siakam's first free throws of the ball. You're the only one that shot at least three free throws. Siakam going to, that would have been Siakam's first free throws of the game. And he's not a very good free throw shooter to begin with. The fact that he ran to it. Yeah! But see, that's it, Gil.

But see, I want to show you that I'm not afraid of the moment. So I'm going to go run to the ball knowing damn well you about to clink them anyway. Man, I'm not passing. I am captain now. I am not passing.

But Gil, but Ocho, and you saw this last night. They made so many mistakes. I'm trying to, okay, they up by five. Why the hell is Halliburton pushing the ball up the court so bad? I mean, what are you trying to do? You got plenty of time. He rushes the ball up the court and dribbles the ball off his damn foot. Why?

Why? Then, no, he's up five. Excuse me. He's up five. He gets a semi-transition. Step back three, Gil. Really? In that moment? And everybody's talking about talking about well he can

hit that shot. That's not the point. The clock is your friend. The clock is your friend. Milk that time. You don't need to take a shot with 12 seconds on the clock. I'm a usual person. I think you said how do you tell a bear

not to shit in the woods? That's all. Push the ball up and shit in the woods? That's all. Push the ball up and take some weird shit. That's all they know. Time and possession is a thing that they're not used to. They're used to just playing up and down basketball

taking shots that they feel is their shot. Ocho, what do we say, Ocho? In a situation we know if we got the lead, we ain't going out of bounds. Oh, no, you can't. You got to slide. You got to get out. You got to get out.

But that's what, no, in that situation, you have to know, okay, what's more important, a first down or stopping the clock? Stopping that clock. So if I got a lead, lead see i got the lead in the game now if i if i don't have the lead now i'm gonna go out of bounds because the first down is unimportant i need time getting the first down and i lose 14 15 16 seconds i've done my team a disservice right on the other side if we behind down that first down I just saved my team 16 seconds

and plus we got another down that's what Halliburton that's what guys got to do to be able to think in the moment is that yes I know we play with pace all the time make or miss we'll take it off the rim or we'll take it out of the net but we're going to push tempo I get that but not in that moment

Gil not in that moment I Gil. Not in that moment. I mean, and talk about that moment. I think the game was so close all the way down to the wire. Obviously having to go to overtime. Listen, you take away them damn 22 turnovers

and minimize the turnovers. The Pacers win that game. Yeah. I'm thinking about you take away the 22 turnovers and minimize that. Think about the points you would have had had you take away the 22 turnovers and minimize that. Think about the points you would have had had you not turned the ball over that goddamn much. Yeah.

And you were still in the game with that many turnovers and had the opportunity to go to overtime and still had a chance to win. It was their game to lose and they lost it. The reason that that team plays like that is they don't is they don't have a go-to guy, right? They don't. When you're up five... Wait, wait, wait. Halliburton not the go-to guy? No.

The point guard. He's the one that gives the ball to the go-to guy, right? So when you think about the Jalen Brunson's and the Tatum's and the Brown's, when they're up five, the ball's going to them. Ball to the bill. It's going to them, and they're going to waste the clock, and then they're going to do their thing.

Hallie is used to just pacing, doing this. So he's not used to just sitting there trying to control the game. I don't even think he can dribble that good. No, he's not a ball. Yeah. Right? He can dribble fast, right? But I don't think he has handles enough for someone to pick

him up full court or half court and he has to waste time. Right? That is a skill on his own. That's a Chris Paul skill. That's a Kyrie. You have to be very skilled with dribbling to just sit there in motion. Yes. That's not his

skill. That's not his talent. So it makes sense that he's rushing and trying to get his play off because his skill. That's not his talent. So, it makes sense that he's rushing and trying to get his play off because he's not comfortable just wasting 14 seconds while somebody's trying to steal the ball. Right? This was the game

that they're supposed to win. This was, yes, that they needed to win because the seven players that played, their top seven, played amazing basketball. They're double figures. Oh, well.

Double figures, played well, shot well, three guys in the double doubles. You're not going to play that great as a team again. No. So we can take away the turnovers, put them at 12. Are you still going to shoot that kind of percentage across the board?

Right? How many might fuck around 10 points next game? That's a... That's my point. That's a loss. Right? So the fact that you guys played offensively great and didn't succeed, that takes away... And especially the other team didn't play well offensively great and didn't succeed that takes and especially the other team didn't play well

Jason Tatum didn't shoot the ball well so it's discouraging you're trying to be like yeah if we don't turn the ball over we don't but we don't like damn coach I shot the hell out of the ball though it ain't gonna be my birthday tomorrow yeah

it's not often that we can see somebody smash defeat from the jaws of victory. And that's what they did. They smashed defeat from the jaws of victory. They had the game. They had the game, ball in hand, with a minute to go,

and Hallie dribbles it off his foot. The possession before that, he takes a step back three with 12 seconds left on the clock. I'm like, bro, what are you doing? But see, that's the thing. See, everybody, that's basketball IQ. I'm not saying he doesn't know the game,

but can you, the really great players, regardless of the sport, can you the really great players regardless of the sport can think under pressure and understand it's not about how we normally play because what's important now is tick tick tick tick tick the time i'm like bro why would you why would you do that yeah and is that is that not also on the coaches as well he's supposed to be the coach on the floor that's what your point guard is that's why we give him the ball i mean especially in a situation like that i would assume i would hope a coach is letting no kill the clock kill the clock as much as they scream from the sideline that that would be one you would want to scream out during a time like that,

especially in that scenario and circumstance. No. Now, with Rick Carlisle, Rick Carlisle is one of those, I call them goofy coaches. They have the goofy coach style where they want their defense in front of them, which means their offense is away from them, right?

It's this weird thing that i i don't understand as um as a coach why would you want your your defense near you when you're usually behind the five so they can't they can hear you but they can't see what you're talking about right right when they're pushing the ball up the court, they literally can't hear or see you. Right. Especially the guy who has the ball. So that means he has to turn and see what you're talking about. If you flip it the other way around and think offense, that means you can look at it is away from you. But they can see all five is looking at you so you can direct the defense. Right. Coming to you and your player is looking at you. So if he says, hold it, then you know, all right.

I don't know why those defensive coaches want their defense near them when it's ineffective because I can't turn and see what you're talking about, dude. I can hear you say something, but I can't see you. So the fact that I can't see you is the problem. Switch it up. Think offense. I want my offense to see the problem. Switch it up. Think offense. I want my offense to see me, which means your defense sees you too. Right. So basically, when Hallie's coming down the court,

he don't see what coach is talking about. He's just playing the game. And in this playoff basketball, and in a young guy, he don't have that Jason Kidd type of mentality yet. That's something he has to grow into. And you notice, Ocho, normally people think the quarterback is an extension of the

head coach. But we saw in two Super Bowls ago, when McKenna, Jarrett McKenna, he got the ball, what did he do? He go down at the one-yard line. So now, guess what? Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick we down we're gonna time hey take our time out kick the ball with four seconds left on the clock

now we kick it off to you see that's thinking a lot of times and we see more and more of that now because hold on if i score a touchdown how many times we see somebody score a touchdown on joe and all of a sudden they get it they kick kick the field goal. Now we tied where if you just take it to me, then it ran the clock off. You kick the field goal. Now you go home with the win, but no, you want to be a hero. You whatever. I got me a touchdown in the game and they know you got

a touchdown, but you ain't celebrating. Yeah, and that's what we're saying. Hallie needs to understand the moment at that moment. You didn't need a quick three. At that moment, slow the pace down. You're going so fast, you dribble the ball right off your foot. And then you let Holiday turn you,

and you dribble the ball right out of bounds. And I can tell you, so the road team picks which way they go. That's how I know it's Carllisle's way of coaching right why when jason kidd goes up to to to indy i mean when when boston goes there they're gonna have the the style i said right just just think about let's say let's say you're coaching we're looking at it like this and i'm coming up the court right yeah because Yeah. Because you can see the defense, you can run a play, which none of the defensive players will say. So my coach used to, this means one, four flat, right?

So he'll call a play and then, and then he'll do this. And I'm like, all right, I'll fake look and go right now. Think about Lucas coming at me. I'm playing defense and he wants Luca to be doubled. Luca can't see him. So, boom, we get to double him. Right now, he has to come off. He can stay pushing to the left.

It's just a more effective way of coaching. And I think everybody's so stuck in the old ways, don't realize, man, these arenas are so loud in the playoffs, you cannot hear. Oh, yeah, for sure. You need to go visual. I think on the sideline, your sideline moves with you, right? Yeah.

But, Gil, to what you're talking about, Ocho, you could attest to this. On special teams, we always send the return to our bench because if we send it to the other bench, they're going to tell them. They're going to return it. They're going to send it up to their side. We don't want you to know that the return is coming. We ain't going to tell you ish. We're going to send the return, the point return

more times than not. When you send the return, you send it to your bench because you don't want their bench to let their team know that the return. Get wide, get wide and send the return. So it's the same thing what Gil is saying. Gil says, no, you want your offense

so you can see me. Hey, I'm dribbling the ball like this. Yeah, I'm looking back. Dude going to swipe me and go down and lay it up. Coach, leave me alone. Yeah. That's how it is. Yeah, but they blew that one.

I'm not saying, look, that's only one game. But that one game gives you a lot of confidence. Yeah, it does. A lot of confidence. Now, they only shot six free throws. Boston shot, what, 30, 31, 32? They killed them on the glass. And look at Nim Hart. They put the

ball in Nim Hart's hands twice because he was being guarded by Big Al and he came through. He was nice. Bro, come on now. They said, hey, bro. Take him home. Twin legs, step back.

Right in Big Al's face. Did it again. I was like was like oh my goodness they got some confidence in this young man because he had the advantage you got a guy that's a big hey he's looking he just don't want you to blow by him so he's gonna give you space he can't hug up because if he hugs up he's gonna go by him oh yeah but hey hopefully they learn from this they gotta understand you gotta understand situation that's what we call situational football that's Oh, yeah. But, hey, hopefully they learned from this. They got to understand. You got to understand situations. That's what we call situational football. That's situational basketball.

Understand the situation in which you're in and play accordingly. Now it's time for segment of the night, News Cap. News Cap. The 2024 All-NBA teams were announced. All-NBA First Team, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Luka Doncic, Shea Gilgis-Alexander, Nikolai, Nikolai, that's his name, Nikola, Yoke, Nikola Jokic, Jason Tatum,

First Team All-NBA. Luka, by earning first team all NBA, is now eligible this summer for a Supermax contract, Ocho. Check this out. How much? Five years. $346 million.

Hey, boy, that sounds like my numbers, huh? I like that. That's good numbers there, ain't it? Almost $70 million, $69 million a year. And listen. Luka 25, Ocho. I just want you to know that.

I'm just going to. I mean, he's going to hit him across the head again, then. For sure. He's going to hit him across the head again. And when I think about it, when i think about it when i think about it why and you and gill can explain to me why in the hell do certain super max deals why are they different like why is this number 347 and i saw other players that are that are all max is not the same all nba you make the uh the all defensive mvps that increase that increases your value well oh also also years yes so also years so um depending on how many years you came in

depending on what year you came into the league you can unlock a little bit more money so like when someone signs an extension it's usually 12.5% on top of that. So the amount of years that you can sign, so let's say a guy who just came in the league. So Lucas on his, what year is this, five? Yeah. Right, his year five. So like somebody like LaMelo Ball, that's behind him.

Right. Max, his super max will only be like 217. Right. Jason Tatum signs his super max is going to be more than this one. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Now you're confusing me now.

Why did Jason Tatum get more than LaMelo Ball? Because he's been in the year. He's been in the league longer. Okay, so here I go with my contract. So all LaMelo has to do is just wait another year and do the Supermax. He just signed what Gil has said. Check this out.

Let me explain it like this, Gil. Jalen Brown, hold on, Ant-Man and Tyrese Halliburton also, their own max contract extended in their rookie season because they made all NBA, they get an additional $41 million. So what you can do, if you make the all, if you make an all NBA team,

if I'm not mistaken, I think it's in the world. First two or the first three years of that contract, you get the, I don't even know. I don't even understand the new, I just know all NBA winners make money. Yeah.

So because they got max contracts, they unlocked a $41 million option. Somebody, hold on. Who was that last year? Oh, Ja. Ja. Remember Ja got suspended and he didn't make the All-NBA,

so he lost out on that $40 million extra money that he could have got by not making one of the top three All-NBA teams. By Ant-Man making it, by Tyrese Halliburton making it, they get to unlock that. So now Luka, because he's been an All-NBA player, he's already at the extent. Because he made it again, now he's at the super, super max. Oh, because he done made it twice. Yeah, so you have max and super. Okay, so

when my contractor's coming up, the max deal for the max players was $79 million. Right? So, that was, so Kobe, Vince Carter, all of them, their max deals was $79. By the time I came into the NBA,

when I signed my deal, I signed for 65. Look how close I am behind them. But my max, if I was a max player at the time, I would have been 86. I would have been more than what Kobe and them were because my max

went higher. When it was their turn. It went to 96, then 100 and something. So how many years? So like somebody like KG, nobody would have. Like, OK, so let's say Braun. Braun has been in the league 20 years. His max, his real max, if he was signing real max deals, he would be actually in a 400 problem. His grandfathered in and some shit that don't even exist.

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all of a sudden, not only am I all rookie, I've made all NBA. So now I'm on a supermax. So Luka Messerati in the next two years, he's going to sign this supermax. Guess what happens? He makes one of the first three

all NBA teams the next two years. You know the funny part is, it's going to go up again? Yes! It's about to be 400 million Even if he doesn't sign A super max and it's just a regular max It's 12.5% On top of what it maxed

So if that last year Is 65 million The beginning of that first year of that new contract Starts off with a 4.5% increase Right? But if he's a super max He might be at 500 The beginning of that first year of that new contract starts off with a 4.5 increase. Right? Yes. But if he's a super max, shit, he might be at 500. So, Luka and Jason Luce Tatum will be the first.

Because he signed in the first super max, he will probably be the first one to hit 500. Jason Tatum will hit 500. It's going to be one of those two that hit 500, Jason Tatum will hit 500. It's going to be one of those two that hit 500 million. So, can Ant-Man just wait? Instead of taking the Supermax deal now, can he just wait and make it last year?

He just signed the Max contract off his rookie deal. He should have waited. Oh, so it's too late now. Man, you telling somebody to wait, that's $150 million they got waiting for me. I'm 21

years old, Ojo. Okay, so like, because there's a 12.5 increase off of your last number, think about you're a rookie and I'm giving you a max deal. It's not true max. If you opt out of it and be a free agent and sign a deal,

it becomes... That's why a lot of people opt out of their deal and then just sign a whole new deal to get rid of that increase. But see, here's the thing though, Gil. You got to wait all the way to the end of your contract before you do that. So that means he'd have another two years. I don't know very many guys, though, Gil. You got to wait all the way to the end of your contract before you do that.

So that means he'd have another two years. I don't know very many guys, oh, Joe, go wait. I got $150 million right now, or I'll wait two years, opt out, and be able to sign because what they can do, the team that you're with, they can offer you that extra year. So if he were to leave and go somewhere, they can only offer him four, where the home team can offer you that fifth year at that $70 million.

What Ant-Man's gonna do, he's made it. So guess what? When Ant-Man come up again, even hit it across the head. When he's up, he's at 216. So he'll probably be at like 325, 350, which Luka means. Like that's what I said.

It's Luka and Jason Tatum that's going to be hitting them right now. Oh, they're going to be hitting them. Yeah. Because both of those guys, how old is JT? JT's what, 25, 26? Luka just turned 25? No, he just turned. So him and Luka

are the same age. So it's them two. So in three years, if Luka's still probably in three years, Luka will be eligible again for 75, probably 480, maybe close to 500 million.

I know. I know what you're saying. I'm going to the gym right after this, dog. I'm calling LeBron. Hey, listen. I always understood the numbers when it came to, obviously, football. I understand the numbers

when it comes to baseball. But the way the NBA works as far as years and Super super max super max max deal based on based on whether you make the nba nba team or not now that's crazy that's crazy so how how come lebron hasn't hasn't gotten a deal like that is he perfectly taking a hometown discount no he's but no at his age you age, you can't give him that deal now because remember Gil, those guys were getting those,

they was giving those old guys and that thing was obsolete. So after you get a certain age, you can't get that super max deal. What is it? 34, 35 Gil? What is it? You can get a super max,

but he always, I mean, from the time I can remember, he always only did three yearyear, four-year deals. He never, Max, he never wanted to stay in a contract that long. That long? Okay. He wanted to keep hitting them, right? So he never wanted to be in a four-, five-year deal. So he's the only person that can do that, though, right?

Or can other players opt out and say, listen, I only want to pull a three-year deal? He didn't want to be tied up. LeBron signs three-year deals because he wants to keep the pressure on you. See, if you lock me into a five-year deal, where you going? Oh, you can threaten all you want to. You're not going nowhere. But see, that three-year deal, and it's normally two plus an option. Two plus an option.

So now that third year is his option. Wait, can everybody do that though? Does everybody have the leverage to pull that off? See, LeBron got money off the field. See, LeBron doing 50, 60 million off the court. He makes more off the court than he does on the court.

A Supermax contract was designed to allow teams to resign players with eight or nine years of service with that team for a maximum of five years at an amount of 35% of the salary cap, subject to an 8% annual. So

that's to make sure, look, I want to keep my guy. I don't want Jason Tatum to leave Boston. I don't want Luka to leave Dallas. So now I can give him a super max, which is designed to keep it. So just imagine if in today's

time, a Jordan, a Kobe, a LeBron, well, they're going to be billionaires in under 10 years just on contracts. Yeah, I mean, these guys are going to be billionaires in under 10 years just on contracts. Yeah. I mean, these guys are going to hit billions. Yes.

Now, I asked someone in football. I said, with y'all arenas, if y'all fought like the NBA players, y'all will be billionaires quick. And here's what, this is how I viewed it. You guys play what? One game a week? Yes.

How many times do you practice? You practice Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Now, take away those three practices because you don't get paid for them shits, right? You don't get paid for practice. So what if you just practice one time a week

and had two games a week? Think about your contract. Because you get paid for the game itself. I know what you're going to say. Well, we ain't going to be prepared. That means there's no... You're going to be broke up. You ain't going to play for a couple years. Yeah, you got

to heal up. You got to heal up after each game. You telling me if you play on a Monday and a Thursday, you only got one practice. You're not getting beat up in practice. No, no, you get beat up in that game. I thought practice is where you get. Oh, no, no. It's not like that.

It used to be. It used to be they beat hell out you in practice. They don't do that anymore now. They try to preserve you. These new school coaches, it's more walkthrough. They don't really put the pads on like we once did. Like, when I got in the league, oh, we thundered that thing up. 907, they put mofos on the ground.

Hey, hey, hey. It wasn't that old. Uh-oh, Joe, you know how y'all touch them on the hips? Oh, I that, oh, y'all touching both the hips. Oh, no. They dropped that hammer on your ass. Yes. I mean, that right there,

you come up and throw somebody the wrong way, and it's a fight. It's a fight. So, you know, we got doing that two-hand touch and making sure the body was in position to make the tackle as opposed to thud. Now, hey,

it's 7-on-7, Gil. It's 7-on-7, Ocho. Run your ass across that middle and see what happens. It's 7-on-7. You know what I'm saying? Like, NBA, we don't, what Allen Iverson said, we're not practicing. We're going to see you in the game, sir. Right?

So when you're thinking about the NFL, that arena, y'all arenas are so big. Imagine the money they're keeping from you. Like, this is how much money the NBA owners is making. When there's a lockout and we say, hey, let us see your books. Oh, I say again, how much you want? You say, oh, no. What I tell you, Ocho, you see the difference? The difference is, is that because they've gotten guaranteed money for, let's just say, for the sake of argument, three to four years.

They'll say, you know what? We're going to shut it down. Baseball shut everything down. No playoffs, no World Series. No nothing. Yeah. Now look at the money that they made. Shohei Otani,

10 years, $700 million. Mike Trout, going to make $500 million. Bro, but the difference is, the difference is that the owners know the fans love football so much

as long as he has a cowboy jersey on, they give a damn if it's CD Lamb or Baby Lamb. All they care about is cowboy that, that star on the helmet, or the Pittsburgh Steeler logo. They don't give a damn who in it.

Because they've struck twice, and they saw what happened. Fans came to see the replacement players. But then let them. Then let them. The thing is this. It's a business for them, too. Yes. It's a business for them, too. Yes. It's a business for them, too.

And they're going to lose way more money than you are going to lose. They won't. Because you know why? Gil, their money is guaranteed because ESPN, Fox are going to still broadcast those games. You see, the thing is, if the network said, no, unless we get the real players, we're not then, then and only then, will the owners act

U.S. But see, the thing is, see, Jared Jones can go, he's supposed to make a payment. That's $15 million at the end of the month. He could go to his banker and say, you know what? This thing's gonna stretch a little longer. Okay, here. Go ahead and charge me another 4 or 5% interest

and I'll take care of you. You not going to be able to go to your banker. He's going to say, either you pay or you will get your ass out of this house. That's the difference. But the problem is, his got to get cut off. See, the problem is, y'all got too many people voting. Y'all got 55 players, right? Yeah.

All of them getting voted? Yeah, everybody vote. No, they don't. No, they don't. Not when you're trying to change everything, you don't get a say-so. So that means the star players only get to vote because I know

the star players are not thinking money. They're thinking future. So if a dude needs his rent paid, he going with the owners. I need to lock out the end. And that's half the damn team. I don't need them voting. I need the people

who's thinking about well, if we hold out, we can possibly get this. That's a deal. Y'all should be making money way more than us. Well, if we hold out, we can possibly get this. Back up the lockout. Right? Y'all should be making money way more than us. I know.

But, Ocho, you want me to tell him, but you're going to tell him. How many NFL players living check to check because they got four cars, three girls put up, and they just bought Mama Creel for $2 million. Yeah. That's the problem, Ochoa. Hey, they run through it fast now. That money. See, they only get paid. They only get paid.

We only get paid September, October, November, December, January. And if you make the playoffs, see, once you make the playoffs, you don't get your salary. You get the playoff pool. So you might be making, you know, you might be making $150,000 a check. Now all of a sudden that thing is $50,000 a check. And that's why

they don't get a vote, is what I'm saying. So your ass gonna be under the bridge until the season starts, god damn it, because we got yeah, I know how to do this. I ain't got time to hear you whine oh my girl's gonna leave me

and all that and she better pop OnlyFans she better pop it on OnlyFans cause that's gonna sell big business NFL play on girlfriend on OnlyFans I'll pay you $3 for that that's the thing I say you know you gotta tell the guy I said look because let me tell you what the

owners did the owners when the players the players had years left. Yeah. And they they extended the deal. Once they extended the deal, Roger Goodell go to the networks. We got 10 years of labor peace. We want to redo it. We want to redo it. We want to extend it. So guess what they did? ESPN, Fox, CBS, NBC. Redid it.

Redid the deal. Amazon said, hey, can we get in? How about this here? We're going to take Thursday Night Football and we'll give it to you, Amazon, but it's going to cost you a bill. Okay. Okay, we'll take that. Hey, you know what?

We want to be a network. we want to be taken serious so we know we need live events what y'all thinking Roger well you know the DirecTV about to end what y'all looking like we got X okay you're in guess what oh hey hey hey

hey hey I heard y'all got some Christmas games coming on Joe can we get in Netflix really y'all got some Christmas games coming on, Joe. Can we get in? Netflix. Really? Y'all are streaming? Y'all like NFL football, too? How about we let y'all stream the three games on Crimble?

This is a lockout year, then. And the funny thing about it, when you think about what these companies are spending, if Netflix is spending a billion, how much do you think they're going to make? how much do you think they're going to make? How much do you think they're going to make? I think people need to understand that. If they're spending a billion

and to us, the casual, regular person, regular person like we are, if they're spending a billion, what do you think they're going to make? But the casual fan will empathize with the billionaire more so than the millionaire.

That's the problem because if the salary cap is $255 million, that's the cap. Where each, 32 teams each get $300 million from the network deal. Okay. Okay. You got naming rights for your stadium. You got

local TV. You got con stadium. You got local TV. You got concession. You got tickets. You got parking. You got merchandise. And that's outside of your $300 million. Now that lets you know how they're siding with the billionaire and complaining to the millionaire but that's the point of this

because the owners don't have a face the players do and this is why I say this is when you lock out they can use replacement but I can tell you who didn't pay for replacement Netflix Amazon they didn't pay for replacements that's a good one I like that replacement. Netflix, Amazon,

they didn't pay for replacements. That's a good one. I like that. I like where you're going. Let those companies bully them. So they're going to come and be like, what's going on? We didn't pay for these dudes. We paid for Patrick Mahomes

and Kelsey and his little girlfriend singing and dancing. That's what we paid for. So if you don't get them back on the field, we're going to cut our deal. That makes Roger Goodell change his spirit. I like that. If he knows y'all know it before him.

Ocho. I like I like that. I love the NFL. A lot of what I have and what we do, we talk about on Nightcap when we don't have Gil is through the NFL. A lot of what I have and what we do, we talk about on Nightcap when we don't have Gil is through the NFL. But you know what you hear? When you hear the NFL talk, who are their partners? They never say the players. They say Fox.

They say CBS. They say NBC. They say ESPN. They're going to line up together because they, guess what? They can wait you out. How long unless you're one of these top guys and you got 40 million banked up yeah how long do you think the average of those 53 only about five on your team making real money how long can they wait oh joe yeah harry jones can wait for

10 years and never play another game and he's still going to be worth 15 B's. You got to think about it, Gil. The way NFL players spend, how many of them can last without those checks coming in once the season rolls around? Didn't I tell you? I don't give a fuck about those other 40. You said five? Yeah.

Five votes. That's what I'm saying. I got five votes because we different. Yeah, you can't leave your homeboys out'm saying. I got five votes because we did. You can't leave. You can't leave. You can't leave your homeboys out. Number 15, 14 and 13 want to end the lockout so they can get paid. Guess who don't have a vote? 15, 14 and 13. We don't need your votes, brother. Me, Antoine and Karan. We're going to do the voting here. Why you think

it's 500 million? There's people that ain't getting mail. We don't know your address, homeboy. You don't have to wait it out. Whatever you got to do to survive, please survive. And this is when the top five, this is when y'all become businessmen. You know how many loans I gave out with a high

ass percentage? Oh yeah, for sure. sure for me all I'm saying is like hey look here you need a million the end of the CBA is coming up guys for the next three years I need you to be as conservative as possible please

no big purchases say, say because this thing might go on for a year. Yeah. For a year. And so I'm going to need you guys to be banked up because they say everybody, even

the average American should have three months banked up. If you lose your job, you need to be able to survive for three months, three months. Yeah. Until you find a new job. Hopefully it comes sooner,

but if it doesn't, you got three months. No, no, I don't mind the average NFL player. They got three days. Yeah. Oh,

Joe, they got three days, three months, three days. And right now, I don't think there's any sports today, in today's time, that

cannot work for a year. It'd be so hard to recover from that just as a league itself, because you miss a whole year, that means another sport is getting popular. Your fan base is going so... Ain't nothing.

Ain't nothing messing with the NFL. Why you think? Gil, we about to play games on Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Ain't nothing messing with the NFL, Gil. If you miss five days, if you miss a whole year, there's a reason that they working y'all asses a little bit more. There's a reason they adding more because they getting more money working y'all more. Yes.

But here's the thing. And look, the players are going okay. Look, I ain't got no problem. 18 games, they want their body to play 18 games. The players are going to get compensated. But all I'm saying is, Gil, if you go back and study the history of the league, and you look at 82, and you go back and look at 87, 87 was the last strike.

And I'm old enough to remember it, because I was in college. Bro, when you go back and look, and I ain't going to call nobody names, but when you go back and look at the names that crossed the picket line because they needed them paychecks. I'm talking about MVP, Defensive Player of the Year.

I ain't just talking about no, no, no, no ranking guys. I'm talking, go back and look it up, chap. And look at the guys, the first guys that started crossing the line. And you're going to say, oh my goodness. And that's why I say I don't give them no votes. I don't, listen, when you're trying to. Hold on, how you not trying to. Hold on. How are you not going to give an MVP of the league a vote?

Defensive player of the year a vote? When you're trying to make a change, think about it. This change needs to be made. If we can keep it the same, that means I'm going to hold ground knowing you're going to fall. So it's going to always be against the player if they can't hold out. Because I'm not going to give you nothing knowing that you're going to take it anyway. I'm giving you crumbs. Right. Right. You're talking about a bunch

of dollars making $500 million and y'all talking about, man, we out here. We out here with the CTEs and all. Y'all should be getting $600 million, dog. The fact that you have guaranteed lets y'all know that y'all, they know y'all going to falter.

I don't care if these guys go homeless. Oh, well. I'm trying to get a guaranteed contract. If your ass got to work at McDonald's, God damn it, I'm going to be in there after we finish doing this line. I'll get an Ocho Washington meal. Welcome to McDonald's. How might I help you, Ocho Single? Number one, XT's Manoah. It's going to be a bunch of meal. Welcome to McDonald's. How might I help you, ultra-single? Number one, XT's Manoli.

There's going to be a bunch of them. I don't care. I'm going to be part of the player PBA, whatever that is, because I ain't trying to hit none of y'all arguments. We trying to get to a goal, and y'all slow. Right. Cut the fact. Gil.

Hey, Gil. You ever saw this TV show, Married With Children, the sitcom Married With Children? Oh, my favorite. Charlie Sheen left. Did they cancel the show? Or did they bring

Aston Kutcher on? Don't tell me what these... No, no, no. That one, Married With Children, that was two and a half men. Yeah, excuse me, two and a half men.

What'd they do, Ojo? Did they cancel that show when Charlie Sheen left or no? Nah, it kept going. Hey, I'm saying all of them leave. Everybody go. But here's the thing, Gil. That would be true. If the fans are tied to the team, not the players.

The players come and go. Who they watching? Replacements, they don't, as long as I see a star on that helmet, he's a Cowboy player. Who just won the championship? Kansas? Kansas City. If all of them say we ain't coming

and they bringing some replacements in, you think the TV deal, the people who, I paid a billion dollars to see Patrick Mahomes. I don't want to see his brother. I don't want to see his brother out there twerking

throwing the football. I paid for Patrick. They did. But the fans at home watching. How many? But what I'm saying is how long before the fans themselves say this is not what we paid our tickets for.

I didn't pay my tickets for replacement. That suite cost me $300,000. And these are not the players that I paid $300,000 for, is what I'm saying. So you can wait them out. You just kick Ocho. It's too many players. It's too many players. It's too many players.

It would never work. You got 15 versus 53. Yeah, you got 53 on the squad. That'd be impossible. How much, Gil, let me ask you a question. Ocho, you tell Gil how long they've been playing the preseason games and you play the same price for a preseason game

than you do a regular season game. And half the time, the guys that's going to play in the regular season ain't playing. And the fans still show up, right? Yeah. See, the owners know. The owners know the fans are loyal to the team, not the players.

Players, nope. No, that's what they make y'all believe. Oh, they don't believe. I think they don't believe. You know what I mean? For a few games. No, that's what they make y'all believe. Oh, I ain't don't believe. I think it. I don't believe. Or a few games. Gil, go back and study 87 and look at the guys that crossed the picket. Gil, everybody ain't making a hundred million.

A guy that's making 200,000, he ain't going to be able to survive. But what I'm saying is these companies are paying billions for a certain product. If the product is not, just like when a player, think about this, in the NBA, when a player gets hurt and he's missing games, who's the first one to start complaining though? The fans. Hey, hey, hey, hey, you got it?

That's why Embiid, you better bring your ass on out here, Embiid. We sold these, we sold these playoff seats at a price that they came to see you. That's what I'm saying. Go back, do your research on the lockout in 2011, right? 450 NBA players voted. Tally up them votes. I guarantee you it's going to be about 75 to 100.

They're not pressing them jokers' votes. But see, in our CBA, everybody gets a vote. Ochoa's vote is the same as Patrick Mahomes. And the guy that's on the practice squad, the 53rd guy,

his vote matters just as much as Joe Burrow, just as much as Josh Allen. I hear you what you're saying. Think about what I'm saying. There's 450 players. When we turn them in to Chris Paul, only 175 to

100 was reported. He said, hey, we couldn't reach the rest of these people. This is what we got, though. Right, right. Football players can show up when y'all turn them papers in and there's only 300 there's 300 we don't need the other 700 we don't care

about those votes those votes go against the agenda against the call that is all I'm saying yeah I wish I wish we could be as unified as you got because what you're talking about, because what you're talking about is solidarity. What you're talking about is unity. And we've seen that from other sports leagues.

We've seen that from MLB. We've seen that from the NBA. We have yet to see that from the end. I don't. It's not like I disagree with what you're saying. But Ocho and I, we're talking about from experience. And what we've seen is that we can't get that level of unity that we're going to say, okay, this is what we're going to do. Because we might be able to do it on the team.

Hey, man, look, we want to practice at this time. And we can get all of us to agree. But what about the other 31 teams and getting those players to agree that we're going to do X, Y, and Z? That's the problem that you have is because we've been allowed to be splintered. If we could stand locked, you know, like they, you see, hey, you see what they did when we started taking them knees?

What them owners do, Ocho? Oh, yeah. They locked it up. Yeah. Play if you want to. That's what I'm saying. Like, y'all actually turning in. Y'all listen.

The last 2011 lockout, I didn't vote. Who voted? When did we vote? Chris Paul said, hey, everybody voted. We voted to end the lockout. Everybody's looking like, did you get a vote? Matt's like, I ain't getting no vote. They were smart. Let's looking like, did you get a vote? Matt's like, I ain't getting no vote. They didn't. Hey.

They were smart. Let's just say, yeah. You can't put it. I wish. Back to this. The NBA is getting a $7 billion a year media rights deal with the Lockley Lockup. 10% cap growth. The next Mac cap can grow up each season. So if the cap will, uh, we'll top it 200 million and 28, 29,

a 35% max salary projects to 72 million per year with the fifth year salary at 95 million, a total max value five years, 419 million. Eh, so all NBA, second team, Jalen Brunson,

Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant, Anthony Edwards, Kawhi Leonard have a, I have a little issue with that last selection, a third team, Jalen Brunson, Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant, Anthony Edwards, Kawhi Leonard. I have a little issue with that last selection. Third team All-NBA, Devin Booker, Steph Curry, Tyrese Halliburton, LeBron James, DeMontis Sabonis. Gil, Kawhi second team or LeBron or Sabonis? Okay, so when I did mine, when I turned mine in, this was my exact. I had Luka, SGA, Ant-Man, Tatum, Jokic, Giannis, Brunson, Kawhi, AD, Durant.

I had Paulo, Sabonis, Booker, LeBron, and Jalen Brown. So I was off by four, right? I didn't have Giannis in first team I penalized him for how he ended the season which you know he ended the season 17 and 19

but his numbers itself that's first team so I'm not mad at that Sabonis leading the league in triple doubles and he was right in front of Curry or tied with Curry. Kind of weird. But I'm not arguing with... I don't see anything wrong with it. Kawhi...

Who would be in front of Kawhi? LeBron. LeBron. Yeah, why is LeBron on third team and not... Probably record. Probably the record a little bit. Just the record a little bit just the record a little bit like i what's so funny is i had him on second team too so i'm not i'm not mad at the at the list jalen brown and you get penalized like it's like it's like you see how they use winning for something

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