Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Mavs lied about Luka, KD says cancel ASG, Ant not face of NBA

Episode Date: February 18, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to The Athletic dropping an article today about the Mavs wanting Luka to use injury time off to improve conditioning. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Phoenix Suns Kevin Durant suggesting to “cancel All-Star weekend” and give the players a break during that time, Minnesota Timberwolves Anthony Edwards doesn’t consider himself a top contender for being the face of the NBA and much more!05:30 - Show start05:46 - Intro07:10 - Mavericks wanted Luka to Use Injury Time for Conditioning26:10 - Wemby’s upcoming pay day29:00 - Kevin Durant on All-Star Break36:00 - Oscar Robertson on Draymond Green40:45 - Anthony Edwards on being the face of the league56:00 - Caitlin Clark’s getting paid her worth1:05:35 - Trevor Lawerence doesn’t want to go to the Steelers(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The link is pinned at the top of the chat. Supplies are limited. And once they're gone, they're gone. Ocho, let's get right into it. The Athletic dropped an article today about the Mavs. The Mavs wanted Luka to use the injury time off to improve conditioning. According to the article, in November, Luka missed five games with what the Mavericks announced was a right wrist sprain. That injury classification was not entirely true. Being reported in reality, Luca was supposed to use the time off to improve

his conditioning. Team sources said it was the one of the straws that broke the proverbial camel's back. Wait a minute. Because he decided not to use the time off for conditioning. That was the straw that broke the camel's back. That's what's really reported.

This will be Luka's first season playing fewer than 60 games. Now, here's the kicker, where everybody's like, well, hold on, wait a minute. On the other side, AD is six years older and has failed to compete in 60 games

four of the last six seasons. Right? Well, something ain't making no sense, huh? Something is not making any sense because you're trading for somebody and you trade your better player that's played over 60 games for most of his career

outside of that one. Correct. And you're bringing somebody that hasn't played in over 60 games four out of five of the last season. So something ain't making sense. That's why I think, and I still think today

whatever the true reason is that they traded Luca it hasn't been said yet I believe two things can be true I believe they had grown frustration with trying to tell Luca about his conditioning I also believe they didn't want to pay him $450 million

hey hey even though I just started watching basketball, when you name the top three players in the NBA right now, is Luka one of the three? When he's at his best, yes. Case closed. I don't need to hear no more.

But let me ask you a question. Let's just say for the sake of argument, let me ask you a question. Let's just say for the sake of argument. Let me ask you a question. Let's just say for the sake of argument. Coach Belichick, he resides. Tom Brady's in year five. He's already won three Super Bowls, but he resides. Andy Reid, after last year said you know what I'm good

you don't think people was going like well hold on why you still got a guy that's in his prime what's really going on and I think the thing for me my attention I got like hold on you mean to tell me Rick Carlisle has a guy that's 23

years of age and he don't want a contract extension? He'd rather go coach Indiana? I don't know about that one. It don't make no sense, even for Rick Carlisle. Because even if you do go to Indiana, even if you do go to Indiana, you still don't have a player like what you got over here in Dallas. Especially at that.

As a coach, as a coach, you notice, whether it be football, for Andy Reid, he had Donovan McNabb. He never had, we never had a Patrick Mahomes, though. No. Players like this come around every so often, especially one as special as Luka. You don't leave and go somewhere else because of problems with conditioning. Things that can actually be fixed, especially when the product itself, when it touches the court, it gives you that kind of goddamn production. But they don't. But see, you said it can be fixed. They were wanting him to fix it and he wasn't fixing it.

That's the thing. Ocho, what happens if the team if the team says, Ocho, we want you to be here on camp. We want you... At some point in time, they're going to get tired of telling you, now, let's just fast forward right quick to Aaron Rodgers. What did Aaron Rodgers say this year? He said at the beginning of the season, if we don't get this thing right, we're all going to be out of here. Joe Douglas is gone.

Robert Sala is gone. Nathaniel Hackett is gone. Aaron Rodgers is gone. They're looking at it like, hold on, if we don't get this thing right with Luca, we all going to be up out of here. Can I ask you a question? Yes. When it comes to the game of basketball, you know, basketball. Yes.

When it comes to any sport, it's all about what? It's about your superstars. Your superstars, and they have to do what consistently? Outside of updating your resume, you have to perform. You have to perform. Yeah. At any point in Luger's career, have his number decreased?

No. What are we arguing? No. What are we talking about? Conventioning, too fat, too slow. The numbers have remained the same and he's been consistent. I get that. But everybody, see, everybody keeps saying, do this, do this. That's easy to say when it's not your $450 million.

See, it's easy to say, I would do this. It's not your money. People leave a restaurant and don't go back when they don't get good service on a $60 tab. What you going to do when you got $400 million and that money is fully guaranteed? Because a lot of times, if you get a bad meal, Ocho, they'll say, you know what, Mr. Mr. Johnson, we're going to take this off. This one's on us. When you sign a $400 million contract, players ain't giving you

ish back. The one thing players are played based on performance on the hardwood. On the hardwood. His performance has always been the cream of the crop.

He's always been top of the list in almost every statistical category. So you're not going to, okay, you can't say it because they actually did it. You're not going to tell me, me, that's why I'm not a GM. That's why I'm not in that position. That's not why I'm sitting in that seat, in that high seat, making judgment calls on who I should keep and who I should play. Because there ain't no way in hell I'm Trey Luka,

and nothing when it comes to producing on the court is going wrong. Whether he's fat, whether he's skinny, whether he's out of shape. Because if you're doing what you're doing while you're out of shape, imagine if I could get the right people with you or convince you to get in shape. Man.

You had the right people. You do realize that when they hire a superstar, when you get a superstar, they bring your people on. They let you bring your people on, right? You do realize that when they hire a superstar, when you get a superstar, they bring your people on. They let you bring your people on, right? Ocho, you do realize that. It ain't like football. Now, Tom Brady had a very unique circumstance where he had his guy right there with him.

But most football teams don't do that. NBA teams allow you to do that. You know what I can't say? Mike Macias traveled with LeBron. He always has. Randy Mims traveled with LeBron. He always has Randy Mims travel with LeBron always has. So you said the right people, hell,

he got the people that he wanted. He's in the right place now. He is in the right place now, but with someone that, well, I hope he learned. I hope he looks at and put something LeBron. This man playing like this a year.

Ain't even let him take no shortcuts. Not, not over there. Absolutely not. Not only are you able to watch, but you're able to see someone that's done it for 20-some odd years at the highest level and is actually the NBA's all-time leading scorer. Lucas

looking at that, LeBron is talking to him. You know they're going to have that talk. I know he had that talk before because all the rumbling through the media. I would have that talk. I know he had that talk before because all the rumblings through the media. I would love that conversation. I would love insight on how you've been able to do it this goddamn long. How about I do, you know what,

how about I change my routine? How about I tighten up on my discipline and my structure and the way I do things and my approach to the game? Well, if I'm already great and I'm somewhat lazy in a sense in my approach to preparing for the Well, if I'm already great and I'm somewhat lazy in a sense in my approach to preparing for the game and I'm playing extremely well,

what happens if I tighten up the mother... I almost curse. What happens if I tighten up the bolts and approach the game of basketball the way LeBron does? Ain't no telling what I can achieve and I'm already great right now. But everybody doesn't have that mindset, Ocho.

I think LeBron came in. I think he had a couple of goals. He wanted to be considered the best player to ever play the game. He wanted to play as long as he possibly could. So he took the steps very early on. If you hear people talk about when LeBron was in high school, you hear people talk about LeBron when he first got there, how everything is so routine, is so regimented, from his rest time to his nap to his stretching, getting to the arena.

So many got hours early, getting his work, getting his lift in, getting his shots up, everything for 22 years. Structure, structure, structure, discipline, discipline, discipline, discipline. Everybody doesn't want that this is another one LeBron didn't have a goddamn choice understand coming out of high school the odds were stacked against him all the pressure was on him

the expectations were out the roof so he had no choice but to approach the game of basketball being the chosen one coming out of high school hell he's in 10th grade I think you said it yourself

10th grade he could have came and played yourself, 10th grade, he could have came and played in the NBA right then and now. I think a situation when you look at Luka, Luka had been a professional since he was 16. He had a lot of expectations placed on him. People thought he was going to be good. I didn't

think he was going to be this good. Because everybody said, no, he can play. I was like, bro, he played in – when he said it's easier to score in the NBA than it is in Europe, I said, this kid out of his damn mind. And lo and behold, he ain't making me out to be a liar. He never averaged the amount of points he's averaged over Europe as he's doing here. He's averaging 29 points a game for his career. He's averaged the second

highest playoff scoring average behind Jordan. You think over in Europe where he was playing, I can't remember where, I don't remember exactly where, do you think they played better defense? You think that's what it is? Are the dimensions of the court a little smaller? There has to be some type of difference.

I think the thing is, Ocho, is that the game is not as free-flowing as it is here. I mean, you run plays. They don't let you do a whole lot of iso over there. So, you know,

it's kind of like Coach Smith, Dean Smith, Coach Smith when he was at North Carolina. The only guy that can keep Michael Jordan under 20 points a game was Coach Smith because of his offense. Didn't allow him

to get loose. I got you. Nobody saw Michael being able to do what he did in the NBA based on what he did in college. Same thing with Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis was a defensive player at Kentucky. I didn't see this kind of offense from him. Now, he was

a sensational defensive player. I'm surprised he doesn't have a defensive player of the year already, considering the way he can slide, the way he can challenge at multiple positions, guard multiple positions, tremendous in the pick and roll,

weak side health. I'm surprised he doesn't have one already. But it's his offense that's been most impressive. He went to mainly a putback, dunk, lob player, to now he has a mid-range. Now he can take it all the way out to three.

Luka, you look at that Luka, you're like, well, yeah, he's getting some points. He's getting 18, 19 points a game, but look at how he's playing against. When he come over here and play against grown men, he averaged 34 a game. Tell me if I'm wrong. When I watch Luka play,

all his damn moves look like it's in slow motion. Or am I tripping? Not only do his moves look like it's in slow motion, they work every goddamn time. Yeah, they do. He doesn't have quick twitch fibers like a Kyrie. Nope. I'm trying to think.

Who else is really explosive? Russell Westbrook. Obviously, he's a bigger man. John Moran? No, he don't have that explosive like those guys. And the moves that he does have, they work every time, and I swear maybe it's because I'm watching from TV, it look like it's a slow motion.

Yeah. He is, and that's why you can't time him up. Because while you done jumped jump he ain't left the ground yet and when you're on your way out when you're on your way down he's on his way up so now he gonna get an am one or he gonna get you to foul him so he he could he plays at his pace he's not going to allow you to speed him up and make him play at your pace he's really good uh he can get off any shot he's a lot bigger than you think. He has a lot bigger body than you think, and he's

stronger than you think because you're looking at him, and you're like, I don't see not one definition. The only definition I see is that if you got a dictionary in your hand, definition is in there. That's the only definition I see. But it's the same thing with Yoke. When you look at Yoke, you don't see no definition,

but he give me a 30, 22, and 18. And why every time I watch Yoke, every time I watch Denver play, why he always look tired the whole game? It look like he breathing hard the whole game. But everybody take a shot. It's going in. Move the paper. It's working.

But look, I think the thing is, that's a lot. I mean, look, we're going to see. I'm trying to think the next guy that's available, that's really good, that can get this kind of money, it might be Ant-Man. You said Shea. But Shea can't get a Supermax like this because he got traded, remember? That's right.

See, Ant-Man has been drafted to Timber. See, Ant-Man got, Ant-Man has been, was drafted to Timberwolves. Ant-Man or Wimby? Oh, let's see. Wimby definitely finna get it. He definitely finna get it. Well, Ant-Man,

ain't no reason he should get it too. I know the Wolves ain't finna pull no slick stuff over there. They ain't got no choice but to give it to him. Yeah. So that's going to be very interesting. So,

yeah, $450 million for five years. And that's going to be very interesting. So, yeah, $450 million for five years. And so guess what? If you pay it back, guess what? He come back to the table in five years, Ocho.

Now you got to pay him $500 million for five years. I had to take my shades off now. So Ant-Man has a possibility to get five year, $450 million. Yes. Yes.

Boy, what baby? Man, man, please. Yep. yes yes man please yep he does he has that opportunity he'll win those are the guys that can get that super max hey do you understand you didn't hear what I just said you're not listening

to me I don't understand maybe the people in the chat can't hear me five years for 150 million that's not even talking about the divas contracts other contracts other Maybe the people in the chat can't hear me. Five years for $150 million. That's not even talking about the Divas contracts, other contracts, other endorsements that you get on the side. Man, stop playing, man. Ant, go hit the table again.

Yes, Ant Man is 23. Oh, Lord. Hey. What? Hey, I don't know. I still might got it no so

I think look he's Lucas I'm sure he I mean he caught him by surprise because obviously there's a lot of pride

in situations like that because a lot of times when you get to that level you think you're untradeable you're untouchable and You're untouchable. And so, boom. And like, he didn't know. He didn't know

because you know how he didn't know? How nobody knew? He didn't get out. Two people knew. Obviously, no, four people knew because obviously Rob got asked to go run this by Jeannie. And Nico Harrison got to go run it by Robert Duvall.

So four people knew. Four people. Not the eight. And you hear Newcastle say, hey, right before it happened, we told people. Because you know it's going to get. I trade this big old show. If the normal agents and players know it, it's getting to get a trade this big Ocho if the normal

if the normal agents and players know it it's getting out it's getting out there's two million the fact that Nico and Rob were able to keep it just between themselves

and really not let anybody else know because if they did let anybody else know when it got out they know exactly where it came from they know exactly

where it came from 350 my bad I said 450 350 350 five years 350 so about 70 million.

So by the time, what you call them come out, Ant-Man, it'd probably be about 355, 360. You know, listen. Maybe more. Oh, because here's the thing. Until next year, that new CBA going to exist.

11 years, 76. 11 years, 77 billion. So by the time Wimby come, it might be five years, 400 million. Because this is only Wimby's second year, and they normally do to what, three year, four year?

Hey. And Wimby's only what, 20? I think Wimby's 20. Hey, that's some, that's some, we gonna get there now. You hear me? We gonna, we, huh? If you can hear, we gonna see that, we gonna see that kind of money too. And I'm gonna tell you, I'm not even gonna tell you how we gonna see it, but we gonna see that kind of money. You hear me?

We on, we on the right path. We on the right direction. Now, we might like 800 million million but we gonna see 100 million we might see 200 and I'm gonna tell you how cause I had a dream I'm not talking I'm not talking about

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he'll be 35% max eligible as opposed to the traditional 30%. So whatever the cap is, he's entitled to 35% of that. Damn. So he's available for entitled to 35% of that. Damn. So he's available for 20, 30% of it, of his rookie extension. Hey, hey.

That's what, so he's going to be worth 35% of that. No, he's worth 30% of that. Hey, listen, he worth every penny. Hey, we be as everything advertised. Everything advertised. Yeah, manimby is everything advertised. Everything advertised. Yeah, man. Every bit of it. So whatever penny he get, he's earning every bit of it. Watch an Ant-Man play.

Every penny he's going to get, he's worth every bit. Yeah, Wimby is definitely going to be the first $400 million player. Yeah, I like it. And speaking of, remember I told you I was going to start investing and going to the basketball game so I can be better suited. Jason Tatum about to hear that. He just about banged. I've been thinking about it.

Jason Tatum just got, he just got three, what, 320? And he's 26. But what about those next four years? but that's but what about those next four years it's 455 he'll be 31 so 30

so what's his next contract gonna be his next contract might be hey he might hit that 400 he just got 320 it's hard to see

a scenario. He's going to be 31-0, Joe, for him not to get another supermax. That's nasty work there, boy. That's nasty work, boy. It's great money if you can get it. Absolutely. But you got to understand, you're one of the best in the world. You're one of the 1%ers.

Nah. And that's what I meant to tell you, right? Before we go on. What? I just got courtside tickets. The Timberwolves play the Heat March 7th. Yeah, March 7th or March 6th, something like that. Whatever it was. I'm sitting right next to the

bench. I'm sitting right next to Bam, right? I'm a church at Anthony Edwards the whole game. The whole game. The same way Spike Lee do. And I want to make sure I'm better suited to talk about basketball so I can sound like Tim Legger, so I can sound like Doris Burke or George Sedano. And when I come on here and you wonder what the hell happened to me and why I'm talking

about the game the way I am, as if I played it all my life, you know why. Yeah. Okay, Ocho, so you know the discourse about the NBA wouldn't be complete without KD chiming in. KD, this is what he tweeted. I think it's more fun to complain about the NBA

than actually watch it. Crazy. Cancel All-Star Weekend. Let's just give everybody a break since we're so miserable around this time. Ocho, what you got? Ah, I understand KD's frustrations. I wouldn't even call it frustration.

I think he's more so, listen, it's All-Star Break. We ain't trying to hurt ourselves. We've tried to create different formats to appease you as fans, to appease the viewers, and it's not working. Well, you know what?

How about we just cancel all this because no matter what we do we can't make y'all happy we failed at it adam silver has failed the players have failed we don't want to play because i think for one as much as the players make in anything that you do whether it be in the corporate world whether it be in sports anytime money's involved and it's incentivized, it makes you want to do whatever it is a little bit harder. Even though they make so much. That was my suggestion yesterday.

Have some type of format where it's incentivized, where they can make a huge chunk of change, even though they make millions during the regular season. Because outside of that, they already have a few money, so trying to get them to play the All-Star game ain't going to happen. That's why they shooting 100 threes and throwing 200 alley-oops.

That's what you're going to get. Obviously, KD was being sarcastic. He's tired of hearing the criticism about the All-Star game and the All-Star game format and, uh, and, uh, about not playing hard and things of that nature. KD is one of the ones you hear what people saying and is his product. And he's proud of the type of game that he plays, but everybody is not proud of the type of performance that a lot of the guys give at the all-star game.

uh, and, uh, you know, they voice their displeasure. It'd have been interesting to see. I would have loved to have seen, had Twitter been around in the 90s, early 2000s,

what would have been said. I think now, because you have social media, Ocho, and we don't have to wait, we don't have to just get our information because we can go online. If we got a problem with something, if I didn't like something, how could I say it, Ocho? I couldn't say it,

but at the barbershop, now I can get online, I can get on the player, I can get on the player's profile, his timeline. Man, you suck. Yeah, and talk some trash. And honestly,

I think it's a great thing. I think it's a great thing. I think it's a great thing for fans. It gives everybody a voice. It gives everybody reason, whether right or wrong. Whether right or wrong. And for players, especially athletes, elite athletes, like a KD, LeBron as well, sometimes they engage back.

I think for people that are fans of certain players or just fans of whatever sport you play, just knowing that you can, even if they don play, just knowing that you can, even if they don't respond, knowing that you can ask someone that you like or dislike and send a message, whether they see it or not, I think that's one of the greatest feelings in the world.

I think it is. I really think it is. I mean, obviously... I agree. I agree. Go ahead. No, I'm saying I agree with you you know

some guys some guys don't pay any attention KD is one of those guys that he's going to respond if he thinks you've been I mean he doesn't respond to all things

but he responds to enough of them he's one of the guys that probably respond more than anybody I like that maybe any professional athlete that I know

and not just not just any athlete. We talk about one of the best to ever play the game. You got one of the best to ever play the game that's great right now that takes his time out to engage with people

whether it's negative or positive. That's a good thing. That's a great thing. And I wish more players would like that. Most of them that have accounts, they have other people running their account.

You know, all they do is post, you know, stuff that is promoting things that they are doing, you know, sponsors and endorsements and stuff like that or whatever, clothing or whatever it may be. But people like KD and LeBron at times, they actually, they chirp back and forth. LeBron don't really, I mean, it's got to be be something really really egregious for LeBron to respond he normally just like he's heard so much of it he's almost damn near desensitized I mean that's why people were really surprised that when he responded to Chuck

because he's like he's been dealing with it from day one nobody has been talked about as much nobody's been as criticized as much. He understands now that comes along with the territory. There haven't been a guy that's been more polarizing. The gamut of emotions.

I like him. I dislike him. I love him. I hate him. No player. In modern sports, you probably have to go. No in between, too. It ain't no offense.

It's one side of the other. LeBron responded to something. I guess, what's the guy's name? Doug. He won two, finally won two games. What's the guy's name? Yeah.

Hey, listen. LeBron been waiting for that one why did Doug say something about him in the past cause that's the only reason why he would do something always

always always for real always oh so it was but see a lot of a lot of times

you gotta be smart enough and a lot of these players are smart enough why am I going to lend my audience your ear so oh he went hard on Bronny why am I going to lend my audience your ear? So, oh, he went hard on Bronny.

Okay, okay. I knew it had to be. Oh, but here's the thing. How many, how many, how many, but look, there are a lot of people. Go back and look at the jobs. I think 80% of the jobs

are filled and never advertised. Hey, man, they hired you over at my job. You ought to put in the application. They didn't list the job, but somebody told you they were hired. Boom, you got in. Or you got somebody that works there that knows somebody. Hey, my buddy looking for a job. Oh, tell him to come on in.

I'd love to sit down and talk to him. But now, it's cool when they do it. It's a problem when we do it. Oh, so now when you just told me that, and you were saying you were talking about brawning, now it makes sense for the context and what LeBron tweeted. Yeah, but now...

So let me ask you a question. How many of these coaches' sons just get put on the staff? Oh, all the time. There ain't no problem. It happens all the time, huh? It happens all the time. on the staff. Oh, all the time. There ain't no problem. It happens all the time, huh? It happens all the time. All the time.

Yes. And not a peep and not a sound about it. Not a peep and not a sound. Now, obviously, LeBron being in a special position that he's in, and if anybody else would afford that opportunity to be one of the best to ever play the game and have an opportunity to get his son to play alongside him, you think I wouldn't do that? Of course.

Man, stop playing. Please. You try to put your kids in the best situation possible. Always. That's what you strive for. Yes. Speaking of critiquing the NBA,

Oscar Robinson has some ish to say about Draymond saying the NBA is boring. Let's take a listen to what the big O had to say. Well, Draymond said so much. You know, who cares what Draymond says? It doesn't mean anything. You know, people, this is what I mean.

You know what I mean? One guy can say this and one guy can say that. The game is the game is what it is. People either like the game or they don't. And I think people enjoy the game, especially if their team can win. And if you look at the basketball, it might be boring him because if he's not past the ball to carry, what does he do? I agree. I mean, not to single that out because I think he knows how to play basketball,

but he's passed his ball to carry more than anyone I've ever seen in basketball. So it means a lot. So, you know, it might be boring to him at times because from what he's doing, maybe it is boring when he's out there. He's not means a lot. So, you know, it might be boring to him at times because of what he's doing. Maybe it is boring when he's out there. He's not shooting a lot. He's not guarding a lot.

So it's boring. Man, the big old, the big old was cooking. Listen, he's going to tell it like it is, huh? That's one thing the OGs, you know, the older folk are going to do,

especially when you criticize the game of basketball today. They're going to find everything, every critique wrong with your game, why you're playing right now, and why you find it boring based on what you say. Now, is he right?

Yes, in some sense. And he could also be wrong. Especially him. You can agree to disagree because Draymond feels exactly how he feels for a reason. But if you know anything about the big O, this is who he is. He's always spoken up. He's always said exactly what was on his mind. Now, a lot of guys like, hey, you know, hey, blah, blah, blah.

But that's not how he is. He's going to get right to the point and says, okay, well, let me tell you why it's boring. Because you don't get to shoot. You're passing the ball. You're sitting screen. That ain't no fun. I mean, but listen, that's the player he is. That's not what he does. Obviously, shooting is

not his game. You know, setting screens, passing, being an enforcer, that's what Draymond does. That's what he does. You know, setting screens, passing, being an enforcer. That's what Draymond does. That's what he does. So obviously that part of his game, it has to be enjoyable. Just when it comes to certain aspects of it, especially now at an all-star game, it's boring. Well, when you look at it, Ocho, I look at it like this.

What am I good at? If I'm doing what I'm good at, I'm having fun. If I'm a scorer, but I'm not scoring, it ain't no fun. Draymond is a defensive player. Pat Bell is a defensive player.

You look at defensive guys that are limited or challenged offensively, they get excitement out of defending. An offensive player gets satisfaction out of scoring. Well,

if I'm not scoring, what's my use again? Because everybody can't play both sides of the ball. There's very, very, very, very, very few players that at an elite level could both put the ball in the basket and limit somebody on the other end. You're talking about

an Elijah one. You're talking about a Jordan. You're talking about a Kobe. You're talking on the other end. You're talking about an Elijah Juan. You're talking about a Jordan. You're talking about a Kobe. You're talking about a Tim Duncan. You're talking about David Robinson. You're talking about LeBron when he was in his prime. There are very few guys that can give you 30 on one end, and if a guy's averaging 30, hold him under that.

There ain't a whole lot of guys like that, Ocho. Most guys are one-dimensional. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Because that's how you make your money now Ocho putting the ball in the basket and if you have no offensive prowess or offensive skill set on the defensive end

you got to be elite you got to be elite and I think when it comes to Draymond and his role with the Warriors obviously being an enforcer but what he's been able to do for them he's very valuable in the way that

he does some everything I mean he's a jack of all trades he doesn't master anything limited scoring okay rebounder can run the offense a lot of times they run the offense through him he does a great job of sitting picked, and he'll fake it like he's going to pass it, and he'll drive to the hole.

He's carved out a nice niche, and he's probably going to end up in the Hall of Fame with four championships, a defensive player of the year, two gold medals. He's probably going to be in springfield. It's just the reality of it, don't you? I like it. I like it. And it and one thing about dre you know he's gonna fire back now hey he's gonna fire back with all due respect though the bigger nah he probably

gonna say he i mean really they're really like the old guys like that they let them fly now maybe if chuck has said something he might have came back to chuck anthony edwards would ask if he considers himself to be a top candidate candidate to be the face of the league going forward. This is what he said. He said, not really. That's what they got win before. Ocho, do you have a problem with what Ant-Man said? Because I can see Ant-Man is one that doesn't

really want or need to be the face of the league. Ant-Man is one of them just want to play basketball. Ant-Man, the kind of dude in high school, he got his book bag on and he got his goddamn basketball shoes tied to his book bag. He had to bus stop with his basketball shoes tied to his book bag.

After school, he on the park shooting. Everybody else going home. That's the type of dude Ant-Man is. All I want to do is play basketball. I don't want the pressure in what comes with being the face of the league. I want to have my fun. I want to go out here and score. I want to dunk on people and I want to talk my pressure in what comes with being the face of the league I want to have my fun I want to go out here and scold

I want to dunk on people and I want to talk my trash in the media now a face of the league is a wimpy doesn't really have the personality to do so though and man does I think they want the face of the league to be a little bit more buttoned up

see man that's boring okay Jordan was boring I think they want they want the facing league to be a little bit more buttoned up see I man that's boring I'm just okay Jordan was boring Kobe was boring LeBron was boring

Jordan was boring Steph Curry's boring Jordan was boring I'm just telling you you said it you said you said being buttoned up is boring

I said Jordan was buttoned up you said he's boring Jordan wasn't buttoned up on the court? Did you see the way Jordan... Let me ask you a question. How many times did you see Jordan give an interview without a suit on? Okay, now that's different.

Now, off the court, he was straight bitten. Also, that's what I'm talking about. Your game... You can't even be the face of the NBA if your game doesn't speak on the court. We're talking about off the court. And see, I caught a lot of flack when I said they kind of want the guy to be a little bit more settled. OK, OK, OK. Jordan, married.

Kobe, married. Braun, married. Steph, married. Everybody, oh, oh, oh. Just go look at it. But you're correct. You're correct. You're correct.

You are correct. You are correct. You are correct in that sense but for me you know how i am you know i i'm i like the entertainment value i like the exciting side i like the person and the people that are going to put butts in the seat i like a john moran being the face of the league they would never let that happen i like anthony edwards being the face of the league they would never never let that happen. I like Anthony Edwards being the face of the league. They would never let that happen. You get what I'm saying? They would. I like the Allen Iverson

of the world to be the face of the league. But it would never happen. Not with him corn rolling with a big bag when he buying all five X t-shirts. I'm just saying, I'm thinking about

my way of playing the game of football. I'm just saying, I'm thinking about my way of playing the game of football. I could never be the face of anything. Ever. Because of the way my style in which I played. Got on the field,

I was the exact same way off the field. Hell, I'm still the same way now. So I stay in my lane and I do what works for me. Because I do it extremely well you look at the quarterbacks oh they got it

oh but there's one quarterback that has refused to change and his domain is authentic self he down there in Baltimore he went number 8 he from Pompano ain't changed one bit right

who's facing the league right now Mahomes, 15. Yeah. Okay. And before he left, who was that? Number 12? And then Manny? Yeah.

See, it's all about an image. Whether you live that life or not, what do people, because here's the thing. You remember Tiger? Tiger was the face of golf. He got married. He had a family. He was wholesome. It was the all-American dream.

Why did people get upset? Because that's not really who he was. I'm so glad you just said that because I was just ready to go there when we talk about Peyton Manning, when we talk about Tom Brady. And I talked to Tom when I was in New England. After seeing him interact and see how he is when the cameras aren't rolling

and I asked him are you truly happy not being able to be exactly who you authentically are how are you how you have to mask this for all these years. This ain't even you. Yeah. Peyton Manning. I've seen Peyton, the real Peyton Manning, at the Pro Bowl. It didn't happen to him talking in the interview. Dude, he has a face. That ain't you. But the thing is, Ocho, is that they've done it for so long. Because your quarterback is like when you're one of those guys,

they've been quarterback all their life. And so they get to understand you got to be positive in all situations. When somebody plays bad, you take the blame. I need to do better of putting my guys in position to make plays. They say, they get so,

and so it's like you said, it's robotic, it's methodical. You're like, man man why are we i understand why we got to interview the quarterback but he ain't gonna ever give you nothing never ever hey so what are we doing 15 over there in canada city the same way it's like they went to training it's like they went to training for this give me something different matter of fact we just we just talked about this the other night i mean you, you got on me. You got on me about people telling the truth, remember? Yeah.

They just can't. And I don't like that. I don't like it. I mean, it's just the way it's the nature of the business. It's the way it will always be. Look at the quarterbacks. What is that getting? Married.

Jalen Hurts, what is he getting? Married. Josh Allen, what is he getting? Married. Jalen Hurts, what is he getting? Married. Josh Allen, what is he getting? Married. Oh, you think it's a coincidence? No, not at all. Okay, then. As long as we're here.

Hold on. Well, listen. It's a funny thing about it, too. As they are finding wives, you know, because in the Bible it says, when a man finds a wife, when a man finds a wife, he's finding a good thing. You notice how things, after they get married, things continue to elevate?

Things continue to go great? So guess who else is going to get married? Oh, Joe? Huh? Yeah. Guess what? Oh, Shay, too. I'm coming in at the rain, too. I'm trying to get the rain, though.

Come on, man. Hey, because you know what they say? You know what they say now? When one out the group get married, it causes a trickle effect, and everybody start walking down the aisle. I'm going to jump the broom. Wait, huh? I'm going to jump the broom.

Anyone have a ceremony? Hell, if I get married, if that's the wrong one I jump back across we divorce yeah you gotta come in on that you gotta come in on that rando joke on Joe? Hey, I was just saying, if it's the wrong one, you're going to jump back across the room?

I jumped back across the room, jumped right across it and we divorced. Hey, all that money. All right, and another thing on Joe, they say,

the bigger, the bigger diamond that you buy, the more likely it is to get you get divorced. That's what studies show. I was going to ask you where that came from. Is that real? Yes. Hey, because if you think about our grandparents, they had no diamond.

They had a gold band. Everybody had a band back then. My grandma had a gold band. diamond they had a gold band everybody had a band back then yeah my grandma had a my grandma had a gold man grandma charlie had a gold band granite had a gold band i don't i guess these diamonds came along in the 50s or 60s or something i don't know because my my granny my granny, granny got married at like 42, 43. Grandma Charlie got married at like 39, 38, something like that.

Uh, but it, I get it. I get it. You know, you like any women, like I won't be, you know,

I won't at least six cats. I want at least 10 carrots. I want this. I mean, what kind of carrots? You talk about least 10 carrots. I want this. I mean. What kind of carrots? You talking about the kind of bugs Bunny eat? Bugs eat? Hey, because, hey, the prices of diamonds are coming down.

The bears, you see, they got these lab-grown diamonds, and it's really, really hard to tell. And so everybody started flocking to that. But, Ocho, I look. At some point in time, Ocho, you know, I got to come in about this rain, you know, I got to come in and I just rain, Ocho. You got to come in.

See, see, now you start to listen to me, now. You hear me? You start to listen to me. Now, I know you got a team of people.

They keep everything, they keep everything together for you. You hear me? You know, you got a good squad over there. You know, you got this one.

You got things running, you know, consistently in a good way. But. You know, you got you got things running, you know, consistently in a good way. But when you find a woman and she lay her hands on you, well, you ain't gonna know

what hit you, you hear me? You ain't gonna know what hit you because I don't want you. I don't want you getting older and I don't want you, I don't want to see you in the home.

I want... I believe in my daughter. How you gonna invade her space like that? He already told her boyfriend. My daddy, get old. He gonna stay with me. Alright, okay.

I was like, nah, you too much like me, you be yelling and screaming. I can't take that. You know what? You making jokes now. I want you to think about something now What you want to think about Statistically You're 57 right

I'll be 57 in June 57 in June We'll be going to do something special I'm 47 right You got the thing Yeah We've already lived The better half of our life

Oh yeah yeah I'm close I tell myself so much. Now, listen to me now. Stay with me. Chat, we've lived the better half of our life. Now, we still have a good amount of life to live, but

at this point, we ain't got no time to be playing no games. If we ain't found nobody in our 20s, we ain't found nobody in our 30s, you know, you ain't found nobody in your 40s. You know, you ain't found nobody in your 40s. You know, I'm finna be 50, man! I ain't got time

to be playing no more. You hear me? But when I tell you, man, man, it's my time, and I deserve. I'm perfect. I ain't never been perfect, but I deserve. I know my time is ticking. My clock is ticking. I'm perfect I ain't never been perfect But I deserve I know my My timing's ticking

My clock is My clock is ticking I'm finna get what I deserve But I ain't got time I ain't got time to play Oh I just I wanted to show you that Cardi crash too

I forgot I got to show you that You know By that joke You spit it all that buddy By that joke You spit it all that buddy Hey listen

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what she's really worth to that league I don't think that's possible she's a part of a larger player body they all need to be paid more she should be recognized for what she has done and what she's brought to the league from an economic standpoint it's as simple as that yeah i mean it is what it is the product is the product yeah the money and revenue that they bring in it is what it is so

there's only so much you can make now caitlin clark her money gonna come off the court that's where she's gonna make her hey that's for her asia wilson kelsey plum um uh young was uh bayou barbie bayou barbie um andreese that's what's gonna come from and along with the other players but as things increase um they're gonna be fine they're gonna be fine as time goes things are going to get better for all those women in the WNBA. The game is exciting. I know a lot of people, they talk about it,

they trash on it because they're not dunking and doing all this stuff, but the game is very exciting and it's an environment that you're going to enjoy if you just go watch a game, you'll understand.

Absolutely. But I think the thing is, Ocho, is that there are certain players michael jordan was never played his value to the nba kobe lebron uh uh uh uh step they're not you you can't unless you're gonna pay unless you're gonna pay him 150 200 million dollars that's the only way you can't j was making, think about what the league was with Magic and Bird. They got TV to be a live event. All of a

sudden now the finals weren't taped delayed. Jordan took it to a whole new stratosphere. Jordan making five, six million dollars. How the hell you paying Michael Jordan five to six million dollars? Kobe LeBron, and women like, not say women her in particular

let's deal with her you can't pay her worth you can't unless you play her 15 20 million dollars and that that would probably be her worth right now yes our reaction clark's salary is expected to be just over seventy eight thousand dollars for the twenty twenty five season. And economists for IU, Indiana University, recently calculated that Clark was responsible for thirty six million in economic impact to the city of Indianapolis. And almost twenty seven percent of the league's economy activity in 2024, including attendance, merchandise sale, and television. But when Stephen A., we were skewered. We were right across the cones when we said what we said.

Everybody knows it. What did you just say her salary was for 2025? $78,000 this year. $78,000. All we did was try to tell, I was trying to say, look, she's the biggest thing in the WNBA and WNBA history. Oh, what about, I said, guys, that's not to minimize what other, Jordan was the biggest thing to hit.

You're like, you can't, can't... Oscar and all those guys, but Jordan was a different level. It's okay to say that. Yes, there were great players, be it Cynthia Cooper, be it Lisa Leslie, be it Cheryl Swoops, all of those, whoever you want to name, the biggest thing

to ever hit the WNBA is Kaitlyn Clark hey listen timing is everything timing is everything the timing in which she started doing what she did at Iowa the timing in which she entered the NBA along with Andrew Reese the the feud between them not really a few but I'm just saying from a competitive standpoint with LSU playing Iowa that the timing which they came into the NBA I mean it was perfect

especially in this social media era era I'm talking about area social media era it was perfect so don't get mad

I mean I would embrace it I'll be trying to push hey man put on a little team man you better know all the jerseys that we going to sell. These little girls going to be wanting to put on there. All-star game.

Let her be a starter. Hey, even if she ain't a starter, let her be a starter. If she injured, vote her ass in like they did Magic Johnson in 92. And understand, have the long term vision have the long term vision to understand what having her in position does for everybody else yup I mean look

she does I mean Michael made all his money off the court he still is making yeah but I'm saying like I said he made a couple of LeBron stepped in me come on bro because he had the shoes. He still is making. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I'm saying, I mean, and then,

you know, like I said, he made a couple of, like LeBron, step, man, come on, bro. How you going to pay them

what they're worth? Possible. And 78,000, man, come on, man. Woo.

Well, hopefully she can make 200,000. It jumps all the way up to 200,000, which is, you know, 200,000 is a lot of money. So I don't want people to say, he's a lost touch reality.

I understand. Guys, when we look at stuff in sports terms, we understand that the average person is not going to be making $200,000 a year. Once you get to six figures, you get to that $100,000 mark, that's money. Then you go to $150,000. You go to $200,000. you go to $200,000,

you go to $300,000. Yeah, we understand that. We're speaking in sports terms. Sports terms. And all I know is she's worth more than $78,000. That's what I know. I don't know anything.

Look, I ain't no economist, but I know when I saw her at the Aces game, I know they had like 19,000 fans up in there. Yeah. And listen, and to speak on it, not to leave anyone else out, she's worth more than that. Asia Wilson is worth more than that. All the young ladies in the WNBA,

especially those that are stars on their specific teams, are worth more than what they're being paid right now. Ocho, I don't think you heard me. They estimate that she's almost 27% responsible for the economic activity in the league, attendance, merchandise sale, and television. One person that people swore up and down

and called me everything but a child of God when I said this. And I didn't even need numbers to back me up. Because I saw the buzz. I saw the buzz from when she was in college.

You're right. Yeah. The real deal. She's. Yes. I got a question. Yes. If you played Caitlin Clark

one-on-one till 11 right now, you think you could score? Man, look here. Man, my knees. Y'all have to roll me around the wheel. Man, I ain't ran or did anything. Hell no.

Man, when I squat, I have to come home and ice my knees. And you talk about running bound up and down to that hard-ass court? Hell no. I can't beat Caitlin Clark? No. Hell, I can barely beat Roy Clark and he's been dead 40 years.

Man, please. Could I score? Yeah, just with my physical size. Just overpower. But I ain't beating her. Okay, okay, okay. Because after about, we get about five minutes in, my back going to tighten up.

Your hamstring is going to be tight. Yeah, man. That was funny. That's all I need. I jumped one time. Now I'm going to pull the quad. I'm going to pull the hamstring. Nah, calf.

No, I'm good. She the quad. I'm going to pull the hamster. Nah, calf, no. I'm good. She got it. That was funny. No. I ain't beat none of them. Now, if you'd asked me when I was in my 20s, yeah. Yeah, you could score then. Go score, I'd beat all

the ass. I can't. I'm 57. Every lady in the NBA right now, I guarantee you, I'm 57. Every lady in the NBA right now, I guarantee I'm older than their parents. Or close. We might be the same age. They might have graduated 85. I graduated 86, but it ain't much different. Oh, man.

I thought you were going to put up a little fight, but you got it. No, I'm real. Okay, okay, okay. I'm 57. I thought you were going to put up a little fight, but you got it. No, I'm real with myself. Okay, okay, okay. Rob 57, I haven't dribbled a basketball in like 30 years. I haven't run since 2009.

And you think I'm about to just go out there and play somebody that does this for a living? Wait, hold on. You don't jog? You don't do no cardio at all? I do cardio, but it's low impact, no impact. Roll machine, assault bag, stationery bag, stuff like that. You're right, you're right, you're right. Bro, I got artificial hips. I need a knee replacement probably in the next three years.

I've tried to push that down the road, Ocho. Nah, I'm good. No, I'm good. Maybe next time I get it. Maybe the next life. No, I'm good. Maybe next time I get him. Maybe the next life. Trevor Lawrence does not want to go to the Steelers. I was like, I wouldn't say your heart dropped, but you're kind of like, what?

And then I'm thinking about how can I even get, I have a no trade clause in my contract. So I would know about it. And if I was getting traded or if there was something that was going to happen, you know, I'd have to be on board with it, which I'm not. I'm happy here in Jacksonville. I plan on, you know, we want to win a Super Bowl here. And I think we can do that. And I don't want to leave Jacksonville.

So I'm happy here. So obviously not going to Pittsburgh. Well, listen, you can be as happy as you want. But when something like this comes out, the call is coming from inside the house. The call is coming from inside the house. The rumors, they're coming from inside the house because they're not happy with your play. They just paid you a whole lot of money.

You missed the back half of the season because of the injury. You know, that's understandable. But your play has been abysmal, which is why the calls are coming from inside the house. Stuff like this starts from somewhere. Stuff like this gets leaked purposely to the media.

This is a good wake-up call for Trevor Lawrence to tighten up, to get it done, because they will move on from you. Like you said, Ocho. They will. Ocho, he has no trade. So any trade cannot happen unless he sign off on it.

He don't have a choice but to sign off on it. If they tell you they don't want you, then they're going to bench you. That's okay. Guess what? This is my house. All right. It ain't for sale. I want to buy it.

It ain't for sale. Listen, I know the answer to his problems. And it's very simple. What's that? The answer to the Jacksonville Jaguars problems in anything dealing with Trevor Lawrence, there's one simple answer. Throw the ball to Brian Tomlin Jr. every play. I guarantee you it'll be all right.

I guarantee you. Throw the ball to Brian Tomlin Jr. every time. I guarantee you it'll be alright. I guarantee you. Hey, Bradley Beal. Call the ball to Brad Tomlin Jr. Every time. I don't know you don't keep up with this, but Bradley Beal got a no trade clause. They did everything. They put the man, got the man coming off the bench.

He's like, I ain't waiting for my no trade clause. Guess where Bradley Beal is? Still in Phoenix. Hey, I thought them three was going to be special. Even though they in some way are really the same players, all at the same time. Outside of KD. Him and Booker, you know, what's the difference between Bradley Beal and Booker?

From a skill set standpoint, I'm not talking about being efficient in shooting. I'm just saying, you know, can both handle the ball, can both shoot the three, got a mid-rank, both handle the ball. Can both shoot the three. Got a mid-rank and put the ball in the flow. You know, can play off the ball if need be. Yeah.

For me, I think Booker's a little better. Booker's a better player than Beal now. But hey, and plus, go to Pittsburgh where they got state tax. I'm in Florida. They ain't got no state income tax no I'm good right now oh yeah I know

all the players see this too but when I did the band event all the players talk about nightcare I went to the fanatics party they gave that guy a lot of love I saw Jetta saw Chase I saw a lot of love. I saw Jetta, saw Chase. I saw a lot of the guys.

Oh, they watching. So Trevor Lawrence, I know you're going to see this. I'm going to solve your problems. I can solve your problems right here, man. There's one answer.

Number seven, he went to LSU throwing the ball. Every play. I don't care what play they call. You see, you see two high safety,

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