Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1:  Nakobe Dean joins, Shedeur skips combine, James Cook stops by

Episode Date: February 26, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top NFL stories of the week. Topics include Philadelphia Eagles LB and Super Bowl Champion Nakobe Dean joins the show. Later, Shedeur Sanders won’t work out at the NFL scouting combine, Buffalo Bills RB James Cook joins Unc and Ocho and much more!04:00 - Nakobe Dean joins the show20:27 - Shedeur Sanders will not work out at the scouting combine25:13 - Jordan Love wants Davante Adams back with the Packers28:17 - Would you sell your Super Bowl ring?35:54 - Eagles DC berates the defense for the 2nd half performance in the Super Bowl44:46 - James Cook joins the show(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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six QB hits from the University of Georgia. Now, he was a national champ and now he's a Super Bowl champ. Let's welcome N'Kobe Dean. Go, what's up? What's up? What's up? Appreciate y'all. How you doing, bro?

I'm good. N'Kobe, what's going on, bro? Super Bowl champ. Oh, let me go first, man. You always go first, man. Listen, I want to know, as someone, you know, obviously, I felt I was okay in the game of football, but I ain't never won

nothing. I ain't going to lie to you. Listen, I never won a national championship in college. I've never won a Super Bowl. I want to know what it feels like. I'm sure it was probably a childhood dream, obviously, to make it to the NFL, but a national championship and to win a Super Bowl in such a short amount of time.

Bro, what'd that feel like? Tell me what it feel like because I don't know. I can say it's surreal in a sense because it's like, damn, it's like, it's something that you kind of work towards all the time.

But then, like, sometimes you be thinking, like, them losses going to make you hungry and make you go harder. But them wins, them wins, it's going to drive you differently. Like, wins them wins that's it's gonna drive you

differently like getting there get to the Super Bowl you win that motherfucker you celebrate with your guys it is like it's like you wanna get back you wanna get back

so of course but nah it's definitely a surreal feeling it's a blessing for sure you have a blessing yo Cole man I know what you're talking about

Cole I know what you're talking about man it ain't nothing like that feeling, man. Hey, man, hold on. That's not necessary. What? Me and this man, we're having a conversation, Ocho.

You ain't played for Eagles. Why you got the helmet up there? This is. He got the helmet up there. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What's happening there? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This Super Bowl champ is Super Bowl champ.

Oh, okay. We're having a conversation. Hey, oh, hey, Kobe, Kobe. Hey, me and you go, let's whisper. We don having a conversation. Hey, Kobe. Kobe. Hey, man, you go. Let's whisper. We don't want Ocho to hear what we talking about. Man, you played extremely well this year. You was having an outstanding season.

You get down. Did you know when you went down, did you know the seriousness of your injury? I did. I did. I felt like my knee just buckled. And then I kind of looked down. I see my kneecap on top of my thigh. Yeah, so I sat down

and I pushed my kneecap back in and I stand up. I'm like, all right. As soon as I stand up, it popped back out. And I push it back in. I'm like, all right. I'm walking off the field.

I'm thinking, okay, it's dislocated. Give me a brace. And then it just kind of blew up like a balloon. And I'm like, what the? I'm like off the field I'm thinking Okay It's dislocated Give me a brace And then it just kind of Blew up like a balloon And I'm like What the I'm like

Damn But I mean It's all good I mean I had an injury before God got me I'm going to be back

Better than ever How is rehab going right now Are you back running What do you think Your lower extremities Are they back almost normal A little bit Yeah I mean We getting there We getting there I'm what I'm five I'll be five weeks your lower extremities, are they back almost normal a little bit? Yeah, yeah.

I mean, we getting there. We getting there. I'm what? I'm five weeks... I'll be five weeks out from surgery. Okay. Wednesday.

I'll be five weeks out from surgery Wednesday. So, by week six, it's going to take off because it's a protocol you got to follow. It's slow in the beginning

and then pick up. Yeah. Colm, let me ask you this. Last year, you guys struggled defensively. You couldn't get up the field. You couldn't rush the quarterback. You seemingly couldn't do anything. You bring in Vic Fangio, and in one season,

I can't remember a time that a defense has done a 180 like you guys did. What do you think the biggest difference was between last year and this year's Super Bowl lights out outstanding defense? I feel like it was a buy-in from the guys. You got Vic, who's been in the game for a long time. Then you got one of the youngest defenses in the league. So it was like everybody kind of, we all looked at each other like we ain't really done

nothing. So we just kind of bought into what he, because Vic kind of came in with like an older, older head mentality like doing OTAs.

No nonsense. No nonsense. So it was like we were doing the, at first with Sirianni like my first two years it was like,

you know, OTAs was cool. I mean, they ain't really pushed us as much. It wasn't as hard. Training camp wasn't that hard. And then Vic come, he got us doing conditioning drills, doing OTAs was cool. I mean, they didn't really push us as much. It wasn't as hard. Training camp wasn't that hard. And then Vic come,

he got us doing conditioning drills, doing OTAs. We're like, what? But we bought into it. We bought into it. That's why you see somebody like Zayden Carter able to play 100% of snaps.

Like, you don't really see that from defensive alignment. So it was just like, now that we've seen it work, I mean, shit. The sky ain't even the limit for how good any of those guys so it was just like now that we've seen it work I mean shit yeah the sky the sky ain't even the limit

for how good any of those guys us could be could be on defense I agree with you I said that last year I felt if Jalen Carter got some shape

I say he has the ability he has the ability he has Reggie White potential I'm not saying he's going to be that but you watch him the way he can rush the quarterback

he can bully he can rip he's, the way he can rush the quarterback, he can bully, he can rip, he's tremendous first step, he can stop the run, he has no weakness. It's all in here and up here. And he got himself in shape,

and he was dominant. Yeah, it was definitely, it was great to see because I've been playing with him since college. So, and J.C. also got like a, I don't know, you get out there, you kind of see them linemen

be a little scared of him because he coming out the gate for the first nap and he talking. They in the huddle, he yelling. He got a little different kind of shit talking.

He got a little screw loose up there, huh? Yeah, he talking a little different shit than BG. So you can kind of tell that the linemen scared. He'll look at linemen and say, yeah, he's scared. He's than BG. So you can kind of tell that the lineman's scared. He'll look at a lineman and say, yeah, he's scared.

He's scared. He's like pointing at him. And the lineman just kind of just ain't saying nothing to him. He's like, yes, I know he got it. Most of the time, there's not very many offensive linemen that really talk back in general. They always, for some reason, they always focus, don't really do the trash talking, especially back to the linemen. I used to get myself in trouble during my day

because I would talk trash in TV timeout. The closest people to me would be the deepest linemen. You know, the TV timeout. I'd call the thing and the referee would be carrying it back up. And my left and right tackle would always tell me, Chad, don't bring them boys up because you ain't got to deal with them in the trenches. Yeah, don't, don't, don't.

But I got a question for you, man. What's the toughest part about playing linebacker as opposed to in college and the difference in playing in the NFL? What's the difference outside of the speed of the game? For me, for me, I feel like the toughest part is, I feel like linebackers

should be the general on the defense. You should be the one, you should be, you should be the one lining everybody up or not necessarily lining everybody up, but kind of like, you should be like

the battery pack. The, the, get everybody going. You, you kind of, you kind of, you're the glue

in a sense. We like to call ourselves the glue. Like, we, we, we run with 4-3 and we bang with 3-50.

So it's like, I feel like, being linebackers, we got to be able with 4-3 and we're bad with 3-50. So it's like, I feel like being linebackers, we got to be able to do all that and we got to also be able to keep everybody

kind of, kind of, like when JC or Chonza get the, get the mile for now when we want that 15-yard penalty,

I got to tell him to chill out. You got to calm everybody down. Yeah, you got to, you got to have the other guys

of the defense to be able to even have the green and make the calls and everything. And I feel like as a linebacker, you shouldn't have the other guys on the defense to be able to even have the green light and make the calls and everything. And I feel like as a linebacker, you shouldn't shy away from that. You should want to embrace something like that and go for it. So I feel like that's the toughest part, not even just playing the game because if you can play, you can play. How did playing at a program like the University of Georgia?

Because you know Kirby, he came from Coach Saban. And Kirby, no nonsense, you got to grind. You got to thump the coach. Hey, he ain't no walk-through practice. You thumping. He old school. So how did playing at the University of Georgia prepare you to play for the Philadelphia Eagles and then in the playoffs?

It gave me that different type of, I say, give a fuck factor. Just because you playing at somewhere like Georgia, a different type of, I say give a fuck factor. Just cause, just cause it's like, you playing in somewhere like George, you, I ain't have, I ain't have it in a, so you ain't have that,

you ain't have that money coming in. So you had to be playing, you had to be playing to get to the league or you really had to love it. Cause you, you was banging every day. You was banging every day and it kind of made me grow up

and be mature in a sense of, no matter what you're doing outside of ball when it comes to being in that building you got to perform and the people inside that building don't care about what you gotta go well in a sense they don't care about what you got going if you ain't performing so it's like yeah and kirby kirby told me that early on because i was being on school. I was an engineer major, so I was up all night. Oh, me too. Yeah, I was up all night. So he was, he, um. You ain't on the engineering scholarship, Kobe.

That's what Kirby probably told me. I'll tell y'all a story. It was my freshman year. I came in early. It was spring freshman year. I came in early. It was springtime. And I had first got there. I'm out late partying with the guys. And then I'm staying up late doing homework.

Then it's like spring practice. So I'm in the meetings. That was enough. That was enough. Kirby come to me. He say, you know, man, this is before practice. He say, you know, man, I know you. You working hard. You got the engineering. You know man This before practice He say you know man I know you

You working hard You got the engineering You know you trying to find your way And And I know it's hard right now Cause the defense hard But I don't give a fuck

That's exactly what he told me He said He said He don't care He said Hey He said When you come out here

I need you focused When you come in the meetings i need you folks i need you up so and they kind of i always remember that i don't remember nothing else could have told him i remember that and it kind of it helped me do everything with my business and all that so like they don't care they don't care till you make it's a performance based league yeah all that other stuff where you you came from, Buckus Award, Lombardi, Island Trophy, Heisman Trophy, they don't give a deal about that.

You better be able to perform or they're going to get your you-know-what up out in that building. Well, definitely. Hey, listen, who are some of the linebackers, bro? You know, obviously, I've had players that I look up to and actually studied and tried to model my game after, before I made it to the league and tried to do what they did once I got there.

Who are some linebackers, past or present, that you studied or modeled your game after? Well, I used to, I'm towards the short end. I'm a little bit under six foot. So I used to look at guys like Eric Kendricks, who was a little, he was kind of like unorthodox in the footwork and everything. Of course, I used to look at Ray. I used to look at Dad Brooks. Roquan came right before me.

I was like, because he's just like a pure linebacker. He plays like those guys mostly. And I used to study like Darius Leonard as far as like punching the ball out and everything like that. But of course course he had he real long kind of guy yeah yeah but he real yeah I used to study him

as far as like getting turnovers Fred of course just those guys and me the more I used to study safeties too like Apollo not like I want to play safeties too like Apollo Malou not like I want to play safety but it's just like

you kind of study the guys that you like to play the game you study James Harrison even though he was out the edge he tore my phone

I know I'm a whoop it's okay it's okay I'm a whoop you good I'm a whoop I used to study

James Harrison the physicality of the game and everything like that. I just feel like, I feel like as a linebacker with the NFL and the league trying to take some of the physicality out of the game,

it's on us to bring it back, you know, and do it our way. Not trying to get fined and everything like the hip drop. Yeah. BS. Let me ask you this, Kobe.

You're taking all my questions, man. Go ahead. Listen, I got one more question. Now for you, for somebody as young as you, and I'm thinking about just me because I've never won anything, you know? So if you've won so much so early in life, you got so much left in your career,

how do you define success for yourself as a player and a linebacker when you've already won an national championship? You won a Super Bowl already. So what else is left on the plate outside of personal goals? Outside of personal goals, you just kind of taste in greatness. Like I said, when you win that first natty, you win that first Super Bowl, you want to keep winning.

It all starts over you don't want to like okay okay if i want to play a a decade in the league i just finished my third year so i at least got myself more years at the beginning every year my goal is to be the best linebacker in the league and win a super bowl to have the top defense in the league so and and that's kind of what you do with everything. You set your goals for yourself, and you just try to push towards it. And I don't downplay them.

I don't care how many times I did it. If I won it, I'm going to go get it. That's something. I like that. Let me ask you this. The rule now, they're trying to get the tush-push ban. Have you guys been able to stop the tush-push in practice? How many times have you guys stopped it in practice?

Y'all know we ain't doing that in practice. I always joke with some of the O-line, y'all know y'all won't be able to do that against us. I always joke against them, but man, look, if somebody don't like it, they're going to try to ban it.

So, I say keep it. Of course, for buyer's reasons. Make them stop it. For buyer's reasons. I'm a defensive guy. So it's like I don't care at this point in the league. It's not too much stuff. I'm not going to look at someone on the offensive side of the ball

and be like, oh, they need to ban this because it's bad football. Like, no, we on defense. We're going to figure it out. We get paid to stop. We get paid to stop. We get paid to stop officers. We get paid to, for them not to score. So we're going to try

to figure it out. Yeah, and that's the problem. The people in positions of power don't have the mentality like you have or the mentality like the players have, you know,

especially those that are part of the Competitive Committee. They trying to do it with stuff simply because you can't stop it. Exactly. But neither here nor there.

Dynasty. Repeat. Yeah. Eagles. Yeah. Y'all winning the Super Bowl or y'all about to run it back? Like I said,

at the beginning of every year, the goal is the Super Bowl. It is. It is. N'Kobe, we appreciate your time, man. Thanks for stopping by. Congratulations.

Great college career. Great start to your NFL career. National champ. Super Bowl champ. Hey, hopefully we have you back over here again next year. And you're back-to-back Super Bowl champ. Congratulations, man. Continued success and speedy recovery.

So, appreciate it. Salute. Appreciate it. I need some of them 85, too. Oh, I got you, boy. I got you. I'm going to send it to you. I'm going to send it to you.

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All right, Ocho, check this out. Shadur Sanders, considered one of the top two players at the position available in April's draft, will not work out at the scouting combine in Indy this week. That's fine. Though Sanders won't work out, he will meet with teams in Indy. Quarterbacks are scheduled to arrive Tuesday at the combine, which formally opens Monday. Their on-field workouts are slated for Saturday.

Shadur is expected to throw on campus next month at Colorado's Pro Day. Ocho, you like this? Yeah, I don't have no problem with that. I don't have no problem with that at all. Not at all. Listen, there's enough film out there on Shadur's centers. We know we can throw the ball. There's no need to throw in front of the scouts.

Throw where it's most important. If the scouts want to see you throw, look at the film. Turn it on. You have a lot of film from Jackson State to Colorado to high school. We know what he can do. We know what he can do with his arm. We've seen him do it before. Pro day is where it's going to be nice. Y'all come out here, you want to see me throw, come on out here to the pro day. No need to throw there. There are certain people that have to put their presentation on as far as throwing and what they can do as far as agility-wise at the quarterback

position, at their, I mean, at the combine, Stewart's not one of them. Have you seen the training session with him and Cam Ward? I do, I have. Boy, they hilarious. They are. They are.

You remember the movie Two Old Grumpy Men? Or something like that. Grumpy Old Men. Yeah, yeah. They remind me of them, too. I don't know why. It's really funny. That's good content between them two.

Jack Lemmon and Walter Matthau. Oh, you remember the names? Okay. Okay. You ready for Hollywood, okay okay uh uh and didn't what you're gonna try i think uh didn't what you're gonna do a remake of that morgan freeman is somebody didn't they do a remake i know that if i'm not mistaken i know uh jack lemon and walter mathau that was the original grumpy old man.

Ocho, they mad at us talking about we trying to make Smitty seem like a victim. Ain't nobody say Smitty a victim. Whoa, whoa, whoa. All I'm saying is... Wait, whoa, whoa, wait, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

Who is... Who... Hold on. Smitty is the victim here. What are they talking about? Smitty ain't no victim. He not? No.

Wait, he didn't know? Let's just go he ain't not a victim. Okay. He not a victim. So the wife... But we weren't trying to make him a victim. All we were saying is that it was two consenting adults. Right.

What he knew, I'm not here to say what he knew because I don't know. Smitty ain't never talked to me about it. And I don't talk about it. So I don't know what Smitty knew, when he knew, or how he found out. That's not what I'm saying. All Ocho and I were saying is that, bro, your problem should be with her, not him. Smitty isn't married to you. Smitty is not under the opportunity.

Smitty doesn't owe you anything. She owes you that. She owes you loyalty. She owes you commitment. Not Smitty. I'm trying to figure out. I'm trying to figure out. Let me look in the chat and see who the hell

is mentioning Smitty in the first place and not focus on the goddamn wife and the husband. That's all I'm saying. Look, I'm saying, look, what all I'm saying is, is that the guy, whatever the party is, the other party doesn't owe the individual anything

because if it's a female, be mad at your husband, not the female, because the female is not in the relationship with you. The female, if you're married, the female didn't make a commitment to you before God. Smitty did not make no commitment to

this guy. The guy and the young lady, they took those vows. Those vows are sacred to them. That's what I'm saying. That's my stance. Now, all that other stuff, however they want to take it, whatever y'all want to take out of that, that's all I'm saying. Me, hey, you just keep it moving.

If you're in a relationship, hey, I don't think this thing is going to work out between us. Whatever the case, maybe that's what she wants you to do. And you go ahead and move on. If you're married, hey, go ahead and get your lawyer,

draw this paper up, boom, boom, boom, and keep it moving. It's really that simple, Ocho. Hey. Yes. Human nature is undefeated. Next topic.

Jordan Love has reportedly been recruiting Devontae Adams. Can you see Devontae going back to Green Bay? Oh, that's a good one. A nice veteran president for them young bulls out there. I like it. I like it. It makes sense to me. Romeo Dobbs.

Watson coming back off injury. We got Wicks. Reed. Devontae Adams is the veteran presence. You show them boys, listen, this is how you get it done. I like it. It's a nice, viable weapon that's consistent. Can still play the game.

He's still got that sauce. There's nothing wrong with him. He got a little age on him. But I like that look. I like that look. I like what Jordan Love is doing too and I'm sure LaFleur will open him back with open arms, I'm sure the Green Bay organization will open him back with open arms

I don't think he left them with a bad taste in their mouth as far as when he did leave but I think it'll be a good thing I like it I think the thing when you got small kids the thing is that Devontae has kids. And probably after October,

they're not going to be able to go outside because there's going to be snow on the ground. Right. But it's been that way for eight years when he was there the first time, huh? And I think the thing is, that's one of the reasons why he went to Vegas. Okay.

He liked Vegas. Right. Because he turned down more money. He left more money in Green Bay. Now, maybe he got that money back because there's no state income tax. But plus the kids, basically kids get to go outside for the most part, nine months out of the year. There's three months. It's too hot.

They're not going outside. But, Ocho, look, what Oa and I was talking about is this situation. Now I would feel the same way if Smitty's wife called her. Because she is under no obligation to Smitty. You're in the relationship. You're in the marriage. That's how that works, Ochoa.

There's two sides. You and I are both looking at it. What we're saying is that we can only do what we... To our knowledge, Smitty's wife hasn't called the young lady. We're talking about the guy that calls

Smitty. We're not saying, look, if two people are married, yes, because both sides, somebody got hurt on both sides. Woman on one side, man on the other side, or vice versa. That's all we're saying, don't you? We haven't heard anything from Smitty's side. All we're hearing is from her side, which is her husband.

That's it. Smitty is going to, whatever transpires, Smitty is going to have to have a conversation he's going to have to sit down and have a conversation with his wife that's between them just like this should have been between him and her that's all I'm saying

the public didn't have to hear about it but he's trying to embarrass Smitty because he's hurt. So that's what this was about. Hurt people hurt people. All right, Ocho. Yeah. Plexico Burrows

has sold his giant Super Bowl ring. Where my dog at? Is that Super Bowl, what, 52, 42? 42 XL? Oh, yeah yeah is that 37 37 37 XL is 30

35 we was Super Bowl 35 nah it's gotta be 40 something Ash because we was Super Bowl 35 XXXV. No, yeah. So 12 years.

So it'd been 2007. Yes. Okay. 42. The highest anyone has ever paid for a Super Bowl ring. He sold the ring, Ocho. It went for $280,600 at auction. Burr has made over $29 million in his career.

Okay. I have a question. Yes. I mean, I'm curious. When people actually sell their rings or sell their memorabilia, especially Super Bowl rings like this, does that mean that they don't have money anymore or he just wanted to get rid of them?

I don't know what it means. I don't want to speculate. Okay. I don't. I mean, I see Tom Brady. I don't know what it means. I don't want to speculate. I mean, I see Tom Brady. I saw Tom Brady auction off his watches. Do we not think

Tom Brady is destitute? I mean, he's making $37 million from Fox, plus all of his outside endeavors. So I don't think Tom Brady, maybe he wanted to get rid of those watches. Maybe he wanted to replace them. I don't know. I don't think Tom Brady, maybe he wanted to get rid of those watches, maybe he wanted to replace them I don't know, so I don't want to speculate I know people will speculate because

you worked so hard to get that and now, you know, but sometimes it doesn't mean Super Bowl rings don't mean the same thing to everybody, Ocho. And they think you can't eat them rings. Them rings ain't paying for bills, but they can pay them bills once you get rid of them. Mm-hmm. You know? So, you know, Plex, he made over $29 million.

Let's just say he made $30 million. We're going to cut that in half for $15 million. Okay, he got to live. I think he had a wife. He got kids. Okay, he got in trouble with the law. That probably ate up a million dollars right there. Dang.

Man, Ocho, you know it don't take. And the problem is when you have money going out and you don't have any coming in. See, that's the problem. So, Ocho, you used to having money coming in. So think about it it you got to live now I don't know I don't know Plaque's lifestyle but I'm saying you got a mortgage you got car note you got kids you got wife and you got nothing coming in right that's why see that's why you see and you you wonder why I got you know 367, 11 jobs I got to live

I got kids like I want I want to get this mega yacht by the end of 2026 and there's only one way I'm going to get it by having multiple streams of income yeah so

I always like I'm like damn bro damn would you ever auction off one of your rings no I got three kids each kid's gonna get a ring now what they do with it after that

that's on them how do you decide which kid gets which ring uh the oldest Kayla get the the first one kiara get the second one who get the last one now is there a way to decipher which ring holds more valuable is worth more than the other or they you think it's all all all equal i don't i don't i don't think anything this that's the way i'm splitting up uh when it comes to when it comes to certain memorabilia a lot of the stuff i'm gonna try split it up when it comes to certain memorabilia. A lot of the stuff I'm going to try to sell

because I know they're going to sell it. The gold jacket, that's not going to sell. I'll probably end up donating that to Savannah State. Let them keep that. It's hard for them to keep stuff on campus because they're worried about people stealing it. They took my jersey down. They had my jersey up.

They retired my jersey many years ago, but they took it out of the case because they were worried about somebody stealing it. That's unfortunate. But yeah, each kid will get a ring. I'm very fortunate. Three for three.

They'll get some stuff. Each one will get a Super Bowl jersey. Same thing. First, second, third. But most of the stuff, I'm just going to end up selling it because I know they're going to sell it. They're not going to keep all those game balls that I won and stuff like that, Ocho.

It's just the cleats and stuff like this. I would like for them to, but it doesn't mean the same. It doesn't mean the same to them as it meant to me. So have you thought about what you want to give me? Or I'm walking away empty handed.

I got a nightcap hat with my sign on it. I got some boxing gloves. You can shoot me. You can shoot. We can have a three point competition for this LV basketball if you want to. So they get the good stuff and I get an LV basketball if you want to. So they get the good stuff and I get an LV basketball.

Bro, you ain't even got your own memorabilia. What the hell you going to do with mine? Sell it. Exactly. That's why I'm beating them to the punch.

Yeah, nah. That's why I'm going to beat them to the punch because I know that's what they that's that's that's that's why I'm gonna beat them to the punch because I know that's what they're gonna do and rightfully so and I just I would just rather go ahead

and uh take that out of the equation because like sometimes uh parents I mean you know they're gonna be taken care of

but they somebody see them selling something man I know he left them all that money and they ain't got no money now. So, I'm going to take that off this link. I tell you what,

let me get that. Eagles fans, I got something to sell y'all what you got what you got Eagles fans y'all want to buy this let me see the face mask

I can tell you who it is Irvin Fryer am I right or wrong Let me see the face mask. I can tell you who it is. Irvin Fryer. Yep. Am I right or wrong? Yeah. I guess that. I don't know.

I saw the face mask. I was either going to go with Irvin Fryer or what's the receiver? What's my dog name I can't remember my dog name played for the Bears played for the Eagles too Alshon Jeffries Alshon yeah

I was going to say Alshon or Irvin Fryer because I know I could tell receiver doesn't even have to have his helmet on but I know who it is based on the team

and then the face mask that's weird I don't think they got I don't think they wear these helmets anymore no not the helmet but just just the I don't know it's weird how I can think they got these I don't think they wear These helmets anymore No not the helmet But just Just the

I don't know It's weird how I can So I'm a I'll be willing to Get y'all Might be willing to Partake

With that I'm trying to think Should I sell Should I sell To my memorabilia Yeah Yeah And send

Add sugar to the head Add sugar to the head. They sell it and send me the proceeds. Oh, Joe, Eagles D.C. Vic Fangio berated the defense in team meeting for the second half performance in the Super Bowl. Jalen Hunt says, even after the Super Bowl, after the team meeting was going over the parade prep, Fangio made the defense stay back and go over the game. He gets to the second half and says, this is unacceptable.

Unacceptable. 22 points. He wants perfection. You like this, Ocho? Man, it's cool. I like it. So, I mean, he's setting the precedent. He's setting the standard on what they're going to have to need to do

and continue to do because, I mean, they have the opportunity to win a dynasty young team is very young both sides of the ball you know a few older players but they have a chance to do something special with the chiefs almost were able to do the the eagles have a chance to run it again so you know coach understands that and talking to his defense where mainly really everybody's probably coming back next year including some added pieces you know via offseason acquisitions and the draft. So, I mean, he's setting the tone. He's setting the precedent early. I like it.

I like it. It's kind of extreme, especially after you've already won and you've had such a large lead. I mean, you're going to give up some points, but, you know, for the most part, I mean, they played extremely well. The reason why they were able to have a game the way they had is because of the defense in the first half. Yeah, for sure. First half. Said everything. They played extremely well, and he wanted that same.

He's like, y'all let up. We supposed to have a blank. We supposed to be the only team to have not let them score a point. At all? Because that's what he was looking for. Yeah, he didn't want him to score a point. That would have been possible. Hell, they didn't even get a first down. They didn't cross the 50-yard line the whole first half.

The whole first half. Go back and look at the Giants. How many yards did the Giants have against that Ravens defense? Jordan, go back and pull up. You pull up the play-by-play for the Giants' Ravens Super Bowl. I mean you think

you think I don't think they had 200 yards of offense Giants 35 they have 152 total yards that's it the whole game

give me the play-by-play give me the play-by-play what they cause they went you to see what they... Oh, they didn't score now. They scored on the kickoff. They didn't score no points on offense. Yeah, that don't count.

They scored no points on offense. Oh, yeah. They was... Hold on. I mean, you got to see this when... Because they had like... No, you got to see this when... Because they had like... No, I need to play by play what the Giants did.

Like punt, punt. It doesn't. Hey, that's so... Hey, you know what's funny? What is it? Like every time you talk, every time you stop talking, like I'm sitting so close to the ocean, I can hear the waves hitting,

crashing up a shore every time you stop. If I was in Miami, you'd be like, man, I can hear onk. That'd be onk hitting. Hey, man. Well, let's see Hey I want to know about Them mink pajamas I'm finna google that

I want some of them They got a mink What you call them Mink what Uh Uh Robe You serious

Yeah Let me google LB Let me see how much it is About 18 1800 1800 You serious? Yeah. Let me go. LB. Let's see how much it is. About $1,800. $1,800? No.

Mink Rogue. Mink Rogue Men's. They got a new one. They just, they just, oh, these ain't that expensive, huh? Dolce and Gabbana got a green one for $5.95. You got it. Bottega.

That's it. I don't think this is the right kind of mink I'm going to be talking about. I'll send it to you. Hereink I'm going to be talking about I'll send it to you here, let me take this out oh that Bottega Veneta Veneta nice Ocho yeah, yes sir the Giants

three plays punt they got three plays, no yard three plays, one yard five plays, 18 yards three plays, no yard. Three plays, one yard. Five plays, 18 yards. Three plays, six yards. Okay, three plays, two yards. Three plays, one yard. Interception.

Nine plays, 45 yards. Three plays, interception. Interception. Point. Interception. Touchdown, they ran the kickback. Three plays, zero yard. Three plays, minus four yards. Three plays, zero yards.

Three plays, minus four yards. Three plays, four yards. End of game. Golly. Oh, this is that Raven defense from 2000. Yes, against the Giants. I've seen them in person. I know what that looked like.

That's believable. Them Juggles went three plays, no yard. Three plays, one yard. Five plays, 18 yards. Three plays, six yards. Three plays, two yards. Three plays, one yard. Interception.

Punt. Interception. Interception. Punt. Interception. Touchdown. Punt. Punt.

Punt. End of game. Damn. punt, interception, touchdown, punt, punt, punt, end of game. Damn. Yeah, I don't think you all will see that again. Minority candidates are now 0 for 29 in getting NFL offensive coordinator jobs this season.

29 OC jobs in a row to white coaches, zero to minorities. The USA Today are reporting. Ocho, what you think? I mean, it's nothing new. I'm not even sure why they're reporting it.

It's been going on for the longest. It's been going on for the longest. You know? I'm not even sure why I'm reporting it now. We continue to have this same discourse every single time it comes around

after jobs are taken or jobs are not given. We continue to say the same thing over and over and over. We continue to fight over and over and over for positions that they don't want us in. And they continuously make it clear that they don't want us in those positions. And yeah, you know, we still fight for them. I'm not sure how long we're going to continue to keep fighting for the positions that obviously we deserve, that we are qualified for. But obviously those that aren't as qualified as those that are still get them before us for a reason. Because they don't want us there. I'm not sure what else to say.

Yeah. We did get AG got one job yeah so yeah i guess baby steps on your baby yeah yeah listen i'm with you we we've been we've been we've been crawling and taking baby steps for for 400 years but you know i'm michaelin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content,

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Right now, we're being joined by two-time Pro Bowl running back, James Cook. James, thank you for joining us, bro. What up, man? JC, what's up, boy? What up, my boy? Boy, let me hold something, man. You got it.

Hey, listen, put it on the floor, boy. I'm going to pick it up, man. James, let's talk about this great season that you had. Over 1,000 yards. I think, what, 15 rush touchdowns during the season. Had an outstanding. Like, we just dropped it. Bear with us, guys 15 rush touchdowns during the season. Had an outstanding like we just dropped in. Bear with us,

guy. He's on his cell phone. He was kind enough to join us. He was not going to be in a situation where he could get land, but I'm bad. I appreciate that, bro. Yeah. I was, as I was saying, great season, running the football, revamped

offense. As far as running the football offensive coordinator for first time full time he blended uh took over last uh a year ago in the uh halfway through the season when you look at what you what you were able to do in particular and what this team was able to do considering all the pieces that you lost you lost your two top receivers you uh matt mulatto was injured a lot of the season a lot of your dbs both of your safeties and uh white gone nobody really expected you guys to be in this situation did you really think that you guys had an opportunity had a chance to end up being where you were in the afc championship game and what, three points away from actually winning that game?

Without a doubt. I mean, when you got 1-7 back there, there's always a chance. That's what I say. I just feel like he wanted the best and he's going to put us in the best situation to always win. When he's back there and we're back there and we're connecting,

it's something great. Listen, everybody always talks about Josh Allen. They always talk about him losing, you know, some of the losing digs and not having superior weapons on the outside. But what people don't talk about enough of is what you've been able to do. You take some of the pressure off of Josh Allen listen you stepped into a bigger role in the Bills offense you know how have you embraced being a centerpiece in that system um I just came to work every day for real for real like that that's all I can ever do like I could control what I could control at

the end of the day but right when you don't come in there at work and you don't come in there and be that guy and be that leader in the locker room, you will never be nothing. So that's what I try to come and do. And I feel like I've been working. I'm a team guy. I'm always coming in at work. And when it come on Sundays, I got to kill you.

Shane, when I look at you guys, I mean, you get so close every year. You had the best record in the AFC two years ago, and then you end up losing to Baltimore. And then this year you had an unbelievable season, and you lose to Kansas City in the championship game. What is the next step? What do you guys need to do in order to get over that hump,

which is Patrick Mahomes in the next step? What do you guys need to do in order to get over that hump, which is Patrick Mahomes and the AFC? We just got to be aggressive. Like, I just feel like we got to be aggressive. And with a guy like 1-5 back there, you just got to beat him. Like, moral of the story, like, I can't say nothing else. Just got to beat him. So when you come in games like that and you know when you're back against the wall, then you got to win.

And you got your guys next to you. You got to go win. You know you're playing one fight. You know how it's going to be. You know it's going to be ebbs and flows of the game. So you got to just control what you can control and go out there and play football at the end of the day. So you would like to be more aggressive early on.

You feel like when you guys fell behind, then you became aggressive. You like to see that from the world jump. Let's go off the rip. Yeah. It never happens that way for some reason, especially when you get to playoff games or games of extreme importance. Most of the time, I think sometimes, especially from a coaching standpoint, as an offensive coordinator, you

overthink. You overthink the game instead of just playing free. You already have what you've already done throughout the entirety of the season. Because you're playing the Kansas City Chiefs, there's no need to press. Just continue to do what you've always done and use your bell cow, you, for instance,

and 17, and just rock out. And I think they lost sight of that or the offensive coordinator lost sight of that once you got to that game and not allowing himself to just play freely, call the plays freely, because you got all you need right there in hand. And I think for one, y'all are going to consistently be back. You know, obviously you're in the AFC. Obviously, I'm a Bengal fan, but understanding what you guys have and I want to talk about you from an individual standpoint

and how much your game has evolved from a rookie to now and where you are right now. What do you think you need to work on? As good as you've gotten from your rookie season to this point, what do you think you need to work on to continue to evolve at the running back position? I just feel like I just got to keep getting better.

And, you know, like, be able to be on the field every day. You know, like, in key situations, like, I feel like I can do it. Shit, just look at this point. Like, what else more I could do? Like, so, I just feel like, man, just keep me on the field and great things will happen.

Hey, also, one more. Hold on. I got one more. I like this here. I like this. Listen, there are a lot of good running backs in the league, right? You know, Henry's, the McCaffrey's, even though he was injured for most of the season.

If there was one thing you could take from one of the running backs in the league that you look up to and you're a fan of, if there was one thing from their game you could add to yours, what would it be? I'd go with Christian McCaffrey.

Just like, there's all the explosiveness that he got in his game, man. What he can do with the ball, man. So many positions that he can be in and you don't even know when he getting the ball

and he's just getting the ball and just go this bitch. Like, all that. So, just putting that tricks in my game and be able to learn from what he doing. I look up to my brother, so it's like whatever he can, whatever I learn from him, I put that in my game.

Just try to just go out there and play football at the end of the day, shit. We've been doing it. There are reports, James, and you can confirm or deny this, that you want to be the highest paid running back in the NFL. And men are like, hold on, wait a minute now. I don't know if he's earned that or he's deserving of that. What do you say to the people that says,

man, James Cook don't deserve to be the highest paid running back. I'm sorry. At the end of the day, I feel like we just going against running backs. And I feel like we deserve to get paid. Because when they come down to the back end of the season,

we play a big part of this shit. So however they want to take it, then I'm standing with the running backs. We deserve it. Shit. Now, if I'm not mistaken, you can correct me

if I'm wrong again. Now, it's reported that there were a phone call between a lot of the top running backs, yourself and McCaffrey and Derrick Henry and Saquon Barkley, and I think Josh Jacobs was on that call. When you guys had that call, if you were on that call, what was that discussion? Shit, we valuable, and we deserving what we need because we in the trenches every time. Shit, we valuable and we deserving what we need because we in the trenches every time.

Shit, we bang. Shit. When they come down to the stretch, you got to run the ball. So it's like, how is we not valuable? Like, how is we not valuable?

If we can read the back end of the season, you have to run the ball when it's snowing. Y'all don't, this shit get six feet of snow. So when you put this, like, we got to run the ball. it's snowing y'all don't this shit get six feet of snow like we gotta run the ball so it's like what more can you like how's we not valuable like um at the end of the day like here's is is is point blank period and you can see like what we do and the position that we play we play a big part of offenses, like just period.

Right. And you know what? You are correct. In the NFL, owners, I'm not sure when that dynamic shifted to where the running back position wasn't valued the way it used to be. Obviously, during Unc's era, you know, during my era, you know, the running back was a very important position. And you guys can actually fight. You guys have a case.

You guys can voice your reason for wanting and commanding the kind of money you want because players like you saquon derrick henry christian mccaffrey and maybe maybe two others you know you're jonathan i'm gonna get jameer gibbs josh jacob oh yeah jameer gibbs josh jacob as well You guys are at the forefront of being able to command the kind of money you want because of what you guys are able to do and taking some of the pressure off your quarterback. When the team needs you guys to grind the clock out, who's the one to show up?

Y'all. Bale Cow. Bale Cow. That's what it is. And most of you can play three downs. You's a goddamn dude threat. So you should be getting two goddamn checks you can line up outside you can catch it out the backfield you can hand it off to you i mean listen it's i i'm i'm with you especially when it comes to getting paid because y'all bring a different dynamic than

more than just being a running back because you do more than just run the goddamn ball. And I can say just one thing, though. I just feel like we just do so much just by going to practice and doing all the little shit, right? And I just feel like we deserve enough of it. Why not?

Shit, we work all our life to get paid. Send me the big bucks. Like, shit, why not, bro? Like, I want to go chase the highest, highest of the highest. Like, and I'm going to keep doing it. Like, I'm going to stand on what I stand on. And I don't want to feel like a cancer at all because I don't like all that attention and all that.

All that. Like, that's not me. Like, honestly. Like, and I just, I'm just standing on business, man. If you think about it. And what not me. Honestly. I'm just standing on business, man. If you think about it... What I deserve. Go ahead. No, go ahead. Finish up. That's it. What I deserve.

If you think about it, James, since McCaffrey got that $16 million, nobody has even come close to that number. And so now you know you're going to uncharted territory. You look at what Saquon got i think saquon got about 13 and a half you saw what dave henry got he got about what eight and a half uh you see what josh jacobs got i think he was around 12 11 and a half 12 so you know when you say you

want to be the highest paid and mccaffrey that the number that he's after you know you're reaching for the stars are you hoping you land on the moon and get something close to that? Or you want to jump over that? I just want to get what I get. I deserve shit. That's all. That's all. I want to get what I ask for. That's all.

What role did I mention? I had a brother that played in the league before I got there. I idolized my brother and I wanted to be just like him. What role did your brother play? And how good? Because I'm surprised. I think everybody's surprised you didn't follow his path at Florida State. You went to Georgia.

You're probably glad you did. But what role did your big brother play in the guy that we see today that's turned into one of the premier running backs in the NFL? A big role, honestly. Just like, just if I ask him a question, it's just, he always there for me. It's like, he always tell me to be myself. Don't ever, like, stop from what got you here to, like, create myself to being somebody that I'm not.

So I just feel like that's what he told me and I'm gonna continue to be myself and just always have that older brother in my ear to always guide me in the right direction. That's my oldest brother and I'm always listening to him.

So I feel like he's great. He set the standard. So it's like why not follow it? It's like, if I don't follow it, it's like I set myself short because I had an older brother to lead the way and show me the ropes on how to get there. And if I don't follow it, I'm a failure. I feel like, you know what I'm saying?

So it's like always just keep working hard and keep grinding and get what you want in life. Shit. That's all I like to say. Yeah. Hey, you know what's funny? When I think about it, I would have loved the opportunity to have a brother. You know, Santana, you. I'm trying to think.

Give me one more set of brothers. J.J., P.J. Watt, Peyton and Eli Madden. Yeah, P.J. Watt. I mean, yeah, man, that has to be like the greatest feeling to have a brother. And when y'all were growing up, did y'all compete? Did y'all compete? Now, obviously, I know you went to—I don't know. I'm not sure.

When you was that central—when he was that central, you wasn't there, though, obviously, right? No. You was a little younger. Yeah. That has to be the greatest feeling. Bro, we still compete to peak to this day it be so crazy we compete in Uno

still? yeah hold on Uno we compete in the game shit we whatever

we compete cause like we brothers and we understand like we never gonna go against each other and we always

understand like at the end of the day you my oldest brother and I respect you to the most up high, and I never do nothing to ever even fail my family, like, because I know, like, I was guided the right way. Let me ask you this. What do you listen to to get you in that mood, to get you locked in before the game? So when you got the beats on and you got the headphones on, what you vibing with to get you locked in before the game. So when you got the beats on and you got the headphones on,

what you vibing with to get you locked in? I ain't even going to lie to you. I'm on young boy time. And it's like, I got to get up. I got to get up for the game. So it's like, before the game, I slow down, listen to a little R&B, calm myself down before the game. Never get too low, never get too high.

So, pregame, get myself together and vibe into a little R&B. Calm myself down. But before I get on the field, the smell is hot. And young boy, it's time to go.

Hey, it hasn't ever bothered you, right? Obviously, being a Florida boy, you know how the weather is out here It's always hot You know When we get a cold front Our cold front is about

70 degrees Has the weather Have you gotten used to the weather Out there in Buffalo Has it bothered you at all Um no You could adjust it to it I feel like that's a mindset

Like Shit you gotta go out there And feed your family Shit Gotta go out there And play your family, shit. What I'm talking about? I'm talking about shit. Got to go out there and play at the end of the day. Right. Hey, for two hours.

So I just sucked that shit up. For what they paying, I ain't got to be out there for two hours in it. I'm good. Stacking money. Oh, yeah. Hey, James, thank you, man. Congratulations on a great season. You made the Pro Bowl.

Hopefully bigger and better things to come in the future. Hey, stop back by when you sign that big payday. Stop back by and drop something off for us. You already know, I'll... That's it. I appreciate that, man. James Cook, ladies and gentlemen. All right, boy, holla at me.

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