Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: NBA All-Star, Kenny Smith's comments, Fixing the Dunk Contest

Episode Date: February 19, 2024

0:00 Introduction4:00 - East beats West in ASG7:00 - Lack of effort Pro Bowl vs. NBA ASG12:00 - NBA East vs. West which is better?16:15 - Steph vs Sabrina17:30 - Kenny Smith22:00 - Shannon says Dame is better than Steph from distance25:00 - Slam Dunk Contest36:00 - How do we fix the dunk contest?42:30 - Celebrity All Star game49:00 - Dunk on Unc #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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quite a game. Well, quite a weekend. Not a game. He had an outstanding game, but he had quite a weekend also. He won the three-point competition for the second. He went back-to-back in the three-point competition. And he was the All-Star game MVP. I thought Hallie was going to steal it at the end.

Hallie, he's Indiana Pacer. All-Star Game was in Indiana. He finished with 32 points on 10 made threes. But I think when you look at Dave and he hit two threes from half court. Yeah. I mean, I ain't talking about no he. These guys are shooting their regular shot.

They shoot the ball with such ease. But me personally, I don't think the NBA is excited about this. Not 200. These guys are ultra talented. Ocho, and I don't want to take anything away from them because they're extremely, extremely skilled. You've been to a game and you see the effortlessness in which they can shoot the

basketball. That's why I was telling you, I said, Ocho, the guy at the end of the bench will go down to the YMC and drop 50 on anybody. Easy. He barely sees the floor. Entering tonight's game, LeBron had played in the All-Star game with

30% of All-Stars ever. So 30% of the guys that have ever made an All-Star game, LeBron James has played with them. That's crazy. That's crazy. So this All-Star was his 20th All-Star, right? 20th consecutive starts. Now that's unbelievable.

And I don't think, well, me, I consider myself the casual fan, but I think those that also love the game of basketball, I don't think they appreciate the greatness that we have in front of us or that we are witnessing

from LeBron. I think we take it for granted. And I think until he's done playing the game, not until then will those that really love the game of basketball appreciate him

for what he's done for the game and the longevity and consistency in which he's been able to play at a very high level yeah i think you're right ocho but that's kind of how it goes with greatness hell i don't think people appreciated edison for what he did and einstein for what they did. We didn't appreciate Chopin and the great painters. You know, Picasso and Michelangelo. And during their time, I don't believe people appreciated them

because their paintings wasn't going for hundreds of thousands of dollars. You could get a Picasso very, very cheaply in the time in which he lived. So there was not the appreciation that we have for him now. with anything oh that's we understand that but as as we get further away and those guys are no longer doing it and obviously when they're deceased we have like damn these guys could really paint they could really

you know do music yeah uh and so but the east beats the West, 211 to 186. I think the West made 43. They got up 97 threes. I think they made 43 of them. They're not out there. They're out there just playing around. Tell me this, Chad. I know y'all

watching. What's worse when it comes to lack of effort? The Pro Bowl when they was wearing pads or the nba all-star game when them boys is that they're chilling what oh i shouldn't say lack of effort i should just say having fun trying to do everything to prevent injury right well a lot of times people look at the all, people look at it. Like they look at the NBA and you see some of these one 50, one 53 to one 47 ball game. And they say,

hell, they're not playing any defense, but you know, in an NFL game, they knock your butt off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But, but it got to the point in the pro bowl. Oh, Joe, they weren't tackling. They were two hand touching. Yeah. You can't,

you can't at the, at the end of the day, you're still tackling. They were two-hand touching. At the end of the day, you're still playing basketball. You're shooting threes. You're dunking the basketball. You pass the ball. At that point in the Pro Bowl, that was no longer football. That was touch. That wasn't tackle football. And I said it.

And at the time, oh, you know, I said, no, the NFL this is not, they're not going to put play that kind of money, give these guys $ hundred thousand dollars to the winners and fifty thousand to the losers and put these guys up they're not gonna do it right with that kind of effort they're just not yeah i don't know i as one or someone like myself who is just now getting into the game of basketball trying to be a little bit more knowledgeable of it. So I can interject myself in conversations like this. It just,

to me, it looked like dude, just out there for one, having fun. It's, it's, it's the mid break. It's the all-star break.

You know, they're still in season. And I think most of them, well, from what it looks to me from the outside, looking in, they're trying to prevent themselves from getting hurt. They are having,

they are having a little fun and there's a lack of defense as well. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it for what it is, but I understand why they're not playing as hard as obviously most folks would want to see them play. Well, I think Ocho kind of growing up watching this game

going back to the 80s, obviously the guys didn't shoot the ball the three was not the emphasis was not what it is now and so the guys i don't know i'm gonna say the guys couldn't shoot i mean you had a handful of guys you might have one or two guys on the team you got seven eight guys 14 now they can shoot the basketball as good as any of the top two guys could on an nba roster back in the 80s that's how good they can shoot the basketball as good as any of the top two guys could on an NBA roster back in the 80s. That's how good they can shoot the basketball now. I don't think I'm out of line by saying that.

But I think what has happened, Ocho, is that same thing with the Pro Bowl. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't, you know, we would tackle the guy to the ground. But come fourth quarter, oh, you better buckle it up. Oh, listen. I know during your time, y'all play some ball. During my time, oh, we play some ball. When that fourth quarter came

and we done paid for our parents, we done paid for our friends and family, and it's time to recoup that money that we done already spent? Oh, boy, listen. I never forget. Every time we hit that fourth quarter and Ray Lewis say,

all right, let's buckle it up. Playtime is over. Man, we out there hitting full speed. And that's kind of how it was in the All-Star game. But now the game is so far out of reach come fourth quarter, you can't tee it up.

Right. And those guys, and what I'm not saying is sitting in a chair for for 12 minutes but they just it is what it is i don't know i don't know i mean from my the reaction that i got on my timeline i don't think the fans the basketball fans are happy about it i think they just come to expect that that's what it's going to be now so we just expect it don't expect anything more don't expect anything less it's going to be a three-point dunk contest.

I mean, that's what it is. Three-pointers and dunking the ball. So nothing else. That's what it's going to be. Guy's going to be taking shots. Luka took a shot from three-quarters court. And it was still 32, 33 seconds left

in the ballgame. But Dame won the MVP. I mean, wow. You had Dame had 39. Jalen Brown had 36. Tyrese Halliburton had 32. Hell, Cat in a losing effort had 50.

Woo! Oh, he was trying to get the MVP, but you can't get MVP if you're on a losing team, huh? No. I think this might have been the first time I know it is because there's Oh, he was trying to get the MVP, but you can't get MVP if you're on a losing team, huh? No. Yeah, okay, okay, okay. And the East scored. I think this might have been the first time. I know it is because there's never been a two-and-a-point game.

This was the first time a team scored 50 points in every single quarter. The East All-Stars scored 50 points in every quarter. 53, 51, 56, 51. Look, I mean, you would know better than I do. So let me ask my basketball questions because the East and the West, which is more stacked or the stronger of the two? Well, if you look at it just by roster,

just by names, the West. Yeah, by rosters. Yeah, the West was. You had KD, LeBron. No, no, no, no, no. I mean, no, once regular season starts. Yeah. Which side is more stacked, the East or the West?

When I look at the East, you look at Boston. Right now, they're the best. A lot of it is contingent on Joel Embiid's health and the Bucs. I really think, I like what the Knicks have done, but I don't think the Knicks can beat the Bucs. In the seven-game series. In the seven-game series. The question is, Ocho, is Joel Embiid's health.

He had that repair, and then that's a big guy. Big guys need to continuously work. They need to do cardio throughout the season or their weight goes up. So he's going to take a month or two off. And so now how does he get himself back in the basketball condition peak? Because once the playoffs start, you play it, you're playing every other day. So but I think you look at the West, you look at Denver, you look at the Clippers, although the Timberwolves, they're young, but Ant-Man, you know, you got Cat, you got Gobert, they got a big front lineup.

You got two guys, number one overall picks that can score the basketball. You got, obviously, you got Phoenix, KD, Book, Bradley Beal. Bradley Beal, okay. The Thunder, Shea, Shea Gildress, those guys are really, really young, but they can get up and down. Yeah, they can get up and down, but they're too young. We talk about seven-game series.

I mean, we're not expecting them to be in the finals or nothing like that, right? No, no, no, I wouldn't expect, no. I don't think they can be, I don't think in a seven-game series they can beat the Nuggets. I don't believe they can beat the Clippers. think in a seven game series they can beat the Nuggets. I don't believe they can beat the Clippers. The Lakers

if the Lakers can get healthy and stay healthy because you got LeBron you got AD, you got two top 10 players I believe currently in the NBA. D-Lo has been unbelievable since his name surfaced in the trade rumors. Obviously the trade's not going to happen now. He's been playing phenomenal.

Austin Reeves has been great since he, about 10 games into the season, got inserted to the starting lineup. I like the late addition of Dinwiddie. I would probably say it all depends who comes out of the East. I think that would determine who would be favored. So, the Heat probably. No, hell no. Now, you just said the team that come out of the East would be favored. So the Heat, probably. No, hell no.

Now, you just said the team that come out of the East would be favored, so I'm assuming it would be the Heat. Nah, Ocho. This ain't y'all year, bro. You don't think so? Nah. Nah.

All right. It's not. So, I mean, excuse my bad basketball knowledge, but the three-headed monster in Milwaukee. Middleton is healthy, right? Middleton is healthy? Not really.

He hasn't been the same since they went down that knee several times. He's not the same player, Ocho. He's not the same. So the Bucs only have, basically, they only have... Dame and Giannis. Dame and Giannis. You see, that's all they got. That's pretty good.

So coming out the West, the Clippers basically should be in the finals with Kawhi, Westbrook, and Paul George. The Clippers might have the most depth, but everything is going to be contingent on Kawhi and PG's health.

Staying healthy. Okay. Okay. That seems to be their bugaboo every single year. Kawhi gets Nick. PG gets Nick.

One of those guys goes down. Last year, both of those guys ended up going down. If they can stay healthy, they're going to be tough to deal with. Obviously, the Nuggets with Yoke and that team, Jamal Murray, his health, can he stay

healthy? What's the third dude? It's another dude in Denver that's good. Jamal Murray, Jokic, and there's one more. Michael Porter. Oh, you're talking about Aaron Gordon? What, they got Aaron Gordon, Michael Porter Jr.? See, I know my shit now. Yeah.

I'm just throwing names out there. Let's go. But it's going to be very interesting down the stretch. Steph Curry caught fire just in time and defeated Sabrina Inescu in the first ever NBA WNBA three-point challenge. Challenge. Sabrina did not want to shoot from the women's three-point challenge. Challenge. Challenge. Sabrina did not want to shoot from the women's three-point line,

which is 20.6 inches, and so she shot from the NBA line. Woo! Oh, so I felt she acquitted herself very well. It wasn't like Steph beat a 29. Now look, it's a loss. I get that. But I think she acquitted herself. I think

she did the women's game quite well because she only lost by three. Had she lost by ten, maybe people would have said, well, if she'd have shot from the women's line, this or that. But I thought she just goes to show you, if you can shoot the basketball, you can shoot the basketball.

No matter what. No matter your gender. No matter your gender. The funny thing about it is, Steph Curry won the three-point contest with 29 shots, right? 29 points. 29-26. Okay, 29-26. Well, hell, when you look at the other people that won the three-point contest as well,

she would have tied with them. So she shot the ball very well. Yeah, exactly. She shot the ball very, very well. So she had nothing to feel bad about. And obviously, She shot the ball very well. Yeah, exactly. She shot the ball very, very well. Very well. So she had nothing to feel bad about. And obviously, what she was able to do was very commendable. Very, very commendable.

From what I could read on my timeline, I don't know how much you saw, but I thought people took offense to what Kenny said. Kenny said, but he probably regrets it going back and looking at it or hearing himself. She should have shot from the women's line. That would have been a fair contest. There's a women's tee in golf and there's a men's tee for a reason. Yes, but the women play against the women when they hit off the women's tee. If the women play against the men when Anika Sorenstam, when Michelle Wee, you got to play from the tips.

Right, right, right. It is what it is. I mean, you don't get, I mean, if a man, if you're like, if in the Olympics and you're racing, you don't get to say, okay, in the 100-meter dash, Shelly Ann Frazier or Sharika Jackson or Eli Thompson or Sha'Carri Richardson

don't get to say, okay, we're going to start at the 80, y'all start at the 100, we go. You start from 100. And I think more so, even for her, the fact that, you know what? I'm going to shoot from the men's three-point line and show you I can hang with you and do just as good as all of you can do. And she showed that.

She shot just as well as some of the other competitors in the contest, almost beating Steph. Yes. She did a great job. It's okay. It's okay. It's shooting the basketball. She never said she's a good player as Steph. She never said that she can handle the ball

like Steph. She said, I believe I can hang with Steph shooting the ball. And she did just that. And she did just that. Now, had she won and she shot from the women's line, and what would everybody say to Ocho? Well, she shot from the women's line, what would everybody say to Ocho? Well, she shot from the women's line, let Steph shoot from there.

Exactly. Exactly. That's why I'm glad she chose to do that. And I think more times than not, more times than any other time, during these times that we're in right now, I think women want to show that we can also do the same thing as men.

Maybe not to the extent, but we can shoot from the free throw line. We can throw a football. We can catch a football and just put themselves in position like we are, showing that we can do it just as good as you guys do. Yeah. I mean, if a woman says, I don't play football, so what? We're not going to tackle her? I mean, she plays a position that demands to get tackled. Guess what's going to happen, Ocho? She's going to get tackled.

Yeah, she's going to get hit. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so a lot of times we see them, they play the kicking position. Man, speaking of, do you remember the Women's Lingerie League? Yeah. Man, I'm talking about when they was hitting and going free. Oh, yeah, for sure. is lingerie league yeah man when i'm talking about when they was hitting and going oh yeah oh man yeah what but they were hitting where i remember that that was some good good content right so i don't i don't i don't have a problem with it though joe uh there were 10 million unique viewers watched the all-star uh game all-star night on sat Saturday. That's up 54% versus last year.

It was the most watched All-Star Saturday night in four years. I think Sabrina Nescu being a participant here, now you got a lot more female viewers. The WNBA, a lot of women,

they look at an Nescu or a DT, a Kelsey of women they look at Nenescu or DT Daryana Tarazi, Kelsey Plum Gray, Aja you know, they Stewie, Breonna Stewart I mean, come on, they're like, okay those are their role models

they're like, okay I want to play basketball and so this is somebody they can look up to and say, okay, yeah, I can be that. Yeah, okay. And she going to get Steph? Yeah. Man, okay.

That's live. Yeah, for sure. And like I said, she lost. And I'm not saying, oh, you get, no. But I thought, I think people wanted Steph to score 40 and she'd have five. And that thing wasn't even close. But it just goes to show you that,

hey, she's a very prolific shooter and I felt that she acquitted herself really well. No, she did not win. No, she didn't. But... You know what? Honestly, when you look at it, honestly, we talk about Steph Curry. We talk about the greatest shooter of all time. I'm not mistaken. I've heard you

say it. I've heard Stephen A say it. Oh, yeah, he is. I'm not going to say it too we talk about the greatest shooter of all time we have a woman that just hung with him and only lost by three yeah

only lost by three so technically based on the numbers it's a loss but to me she really won in the end the women's game won yeah

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But when it comes to distance, I don't think anybody can beat Dame Dollar. No? No, not from distance. I'm talking about just pure shooting. Steph probably is it. But from distance? Yeah, I mean, but I've seen, listen, I don't watch much game of basketball, so you got to stay with me a little bit now. Now, I've seen Dame Dollar pull up and hit them boys with this.

I've seen him hit them with the wave. But I've also seen Steph pull up from the logo, from 30 feet, whatever it may be, from the logo. So I've seen both of them do the same thing in game, in pressure situations. Yeah. So how do you really differentiate between the two when they both can do it? I just, Dame just hit two half court shots with 20 seconds on the shot clock. Not the clock running down,

not anything. He just walked into it. Bam. He did it last year. I mean, like, like I said, from distance,

when I talk about distance, I'm talking about 35, 40 feet. Right. Logo Lillard. Right. I mean, we're going to be interested. I mean, it'll be interesting.

We can put it up in the chat. Ash, who do you think is the greatest? Put up who you think is the greatest distance shooter, Steph or Dane. But I'm going next year. I'm going next year. And I think from here on out, I think I'm going to go to all the NBA All-Star games because I don't know when it's going to be LeBron's last

because I went to his first All-Star game that was in Denver in 05. And so I want to be in attendance for – I'm going to go to the next two because the next two both are in California. Next one's in the – Stay out your way. And 25 is in the Chase Center. And in 26 is going to be in the Clippers. I don't even know how to say it, but it's going to be in the Clippers in 26.

So I feel very comfortable if I can make those two. Right. I think LeBron can get to 23, play 23 seasons. Then I think probably he might, he didn't say it. And so I don't want people to say,

well, Shadow Sharp said it. He must know sub LeBron. No, LeBron hadn't told me anything. Rich Paul hadn't told me anything. Maverick hadn't told me anything Rich Paul hadn't told me anything Maverick hadn't told me anything Randy haven't told me anything so this is just me I think 23 seasons

I don't see him going past that but hey he might say you know what I want to get one more because Tom Tom went 23 I'm gonna go 24 24 Ocho you might as well get a nice make it a silver and get a 25.

I'm going to go to the next two just to be safe. And I think to see 20 consecutive starts. That's crazy. 20 consecutive All-Stars. That's crazy. Well, hell, if you're going, I'm going too then. Well, we're going then.. Well, we going then.

Ocho, Matt McClung wins the slam dunk contest. I got so many questions. I'm glad we got this topic tonight. Okay. This is what I want to know. If we saw Matt McClung dunk over Shaq, we've seen Aaron Gordon dunk over Taco Fall.

How the hell do we go seen Aaron Gordon dunk over Taco Fall. How the hell do we go from Aaron Gordon dunking over Taco Fall, Matt McClung dunking over Shaq, to Jalen Brown dunking over Kai Sanat and in a chair? I don't know.

I don't know. Hold on. Am I off? I think Jalen Brown is a phenomenal player. I love his growth. Hold on. Chad, am I off? And I think Jalen Brown's a phenomenal player. I love his growth. You see a guy that, I mean, still, I mean, his handle's a little loose for an NBA player of his caliber. But I think you watched his maturation. You watched the way his growth shows that he's put time in.

But, bro, what we doing? I don't know. Come on, Chad. Let's be real now. What was that? I mean, I'm assuming listen, you know, I'm not the best one to come to the game of basketball. Is Jalen Brown considered one of those that

has hops? Does he have a vertical like that? Oh, he got crazy hops. Oh, yeah, he got ups. Yeah, he got ups for sure. But I believe in order to be a great dunker in today's game, you have to have creativity. Creativity. That's what it come down to in today's game, you have to have creativity. Creativity. That's what it comes down to.

That's what it comes down to at the end of the day. And I'm glad you brought out Mack McClung because, for one, obviously dunking is a small, very, very small part of being able to play the game of basketball. For sure. being able to play the game of basketball for sure i for the life of me i had to tweet it out earlier today for someone to explain to me in football terminology why someone with that kind of vertical in hops is not in the nba and i for the life of me i can't figure out okay i know somebody said it's like running the 4-2 but you can't catch but there's always there's always something that they can do and use you in based on you being able to be that fast no because even the guys that four two that all of a sudden um you put them on kick you put them on uh you put them on kick return but then all of a sudden they can't hold on to the ball it's like how many times you've seen a guy you like man that guy been 500 pounds

man that man squat 600 pounds right and he't play. He couldn't play dead in the hard field. Yeah, but I'm saying I don't know much about young Bull, but I know young Bull can play the game of basketball. No, you know he can jump. You know he can jump. There's more to it than that. That's just like in the NFL. There's more to being

a running back than just running. You got to pick up the blitz. You got to be able to catch it. How tall is he? I think he's only like 5'10", 5'11". Oh, he's small. Yeah. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I even, I understand the gripes about players

being a little too short in the NBA and how difficult it is for them to make it. Look at IT before he messed Taurus Laberman his hip. He was getting 30 a night. Yeah. He was nice with it, boy. He was nice with it. Is that what affected him getting another chance or getting another opportunity? Yeah, he lost

I mean, they say Matt McClung is a 6'2". Oh, wait. Well, hell, AI was... I'm not calling him Allen Iverson. Don't jump on my yet. Don't jump on my head. Don't jump on my head. I'm just based on the hype. Allen Iverson was 6'1".

But Allen Iverson was cat quick. Isaiah was 6'1". Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at Zeke. Oh, yeah. But see, that's the thing. That's when they say small guards don't win championships

unless you're elite. Think about it. When you look at small guard, they've only been two that led the team to championship. Isaiah and Steph. All the rest of them have been big guards. Well, Steph by 6'4", ain't he? He just looks short. 6'2"?

They listed him at 6'3", but I think Steph and I, we look kind of like eye to eye. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Damn, that's dope, man. It just, I just couldn't figure out, when i think about the game of basketball obviously come i'm thinking about the hell how can you know mclung come off picks um just just i mean the the different ways to create spacing and do you think he knows how to to not get open on his own i'm thinking i'm thinking, how do you say it in basketball terms?

Beat somebody off the dribble. Yeah, well, that's what you got to do. You got to be able to beat somebody. I mean, it's basically an NBA is a one-on-one game. Right.

Unless you're the pick, unless you're running plays and stuff. Yeah, but I'm still, I got to be able to, hey, look, there are a few like, Gobert,

Gobert ain't really taking nobody off the, but most of the guys, there the 400 guys in the NBA, probably 385 of them can take you off the dribble. Now, everybody is not the same off the dribble, but everybody can take you off the dribble. Right. And you look at like a Nate Robinson.

Yeah, Nate Robinson had ups, but Nate Robinson could shoot the basketball. Oh, so you don't think McClllan has a good enough shot to be able to make a roster? He was with the Lakers and he just popped around the G League. At least somebody would have done giving him a chance by now, Joe.

He is been on the NBA team. He was with the Lakers. They brought him back. He was in the G League and then they ended up bringing him back for the last couple of games. Okay. I like his story. Obviously, I didn't know anything about him until I saw the dunk

contest. Yeah, he's back-to-back champ. In the dunk contest, Michael Jordan, Jason Richardson, Nate Robinson, and Zach Levine, and now Mack McClung. He's the fifth back-to-back dunk champ in NBA history. Yeah, I like his story now, man. I hope he get opportunity, man.

I hope he get opportunity. Look, Ocho, sometimes that's just, this is his story. Right. Everybody doesn't have a Hollywood ending, Ocho. But he can. You just work on the things you need to work on. Obviously, work on your shot. Because the better you can shoot,

the better your chances increase of making an NBA roster. Well, even if he couldn't jump, if he could shoot, he'd be in the NBA. He's got a better chance

of being able to shoot and being in the NBA as opposed to dunking and jumping and being in the NBA. Right. Right. I don't know.

Because the game is about space, Ocho. Huh? The game is about space now. Yeah. Can you shoot the bat? Look at, we just talked about it. Look out, look out.

Everybody on that court can shoot the three tonight. Everybody. Yeah. Even, even Cat. Yeah. He a damn big man. Went to three-point competition a few years ago. Hell yeah, he can shoot it.

Hell, he was in the three-point competition last night. Mm-hmm. A seven-footer. Yeah. Yeah, he can shoot. I mean, like I said, with the exception of Gobert, look at Joel Embiid. Joel Embiid shooting three to 7'1", 7'2". Yeah. Look at Nikola Jokic.

Anthony Davis, 6'10". Kevin Durant, seven foot. That is crazy. Buddy Boy is tall. That's why I'm saying the game has gotten so much more skilled. Look, I look at it like this, like the tight end.

When people say, what's the difference between the tight ends when you played as opposed to the tight ends now, there are more guys that could do what Shannon Sharp could do that when Shannon Sharp was actually playing. You got a Kittle, you got a Kelsey, you got a Laporta,

you got a Hawkinson, you got a, a, a, a, you got a, you. You got a Kelsey. You got a Laporta. You got a Hawkinson. You got a Joe Cruz. You got an Andrews. You got a Dawson Knox. You got Kincaid. You got so many guys. There were like maybe one or two guys that could do what I was doing when I was playing. It was me and a little bit late in my career, Tony.

Then I left. You had Tony. You had Gonzo. you had wit, bro. You got eight, nine guys. They can go get you a thousand. Yeah. When I played, it was me and coats. That was the only two guys didn't go get a thousand. Ben Coats. Yeah. I showed him, I showed him around on, he came to Savannah state on his visit.

I was a wide receiver at the time because my freshman year, I played wide receiver. But our tight end that played tight end that year, his grades weren't that good, and Coach knew he wasn't going to be able to make it. So he had already told me, we're going to move you to tight end, son. I said, okay. So when Ben comes, he's a tight end.

He's like, hey, you know, I said, so what you looking for, bro? He's like, man, I want to start, man. I think that'll be big for me to my freshman year to start. I said, well, don't come to Savannah State because I'm moving to tight end and you can't beat me out. What you want me to say? And you told him that like that? Yes.

That was the last time Coach had me show somebody around, too. He said, God damn home. He said, God damn home. We ain ain't gonna get nobody I said coach coach I came in good conscience

tell the man to come here he gonna start knowing I'm moving to tight end Ocho so my sophomore year I'm at tight end I'm gonna get 60 grabs for a thousand yards

and 10 touchdowns you think he beat me out nah you think a freshman gonna come in and get those numbers cause that's what it's gonna take. I'm an All-American.

Conference player of the year, conference offensive player of the year, and first team. Come on, man. Man, come on, man. Talk your shit. And I did that

with three, four quarterbacks. You know, listen, when you're good, it don't matter who's throwing it. So I'm like,

nah, man. I'm like, hey, bro, you want to start bro he goes to livingston the best thing happened for him he goes have a great career there goes into the nfl and we know he had uh i think ben had five with uh he was a first team on pro a couple of years went to five probos here and i went to a number of probos together i gave ben my helmet you know you know how you exchange helmets? Your helmets, yeah. I said,

but Ben, and you know how they give you the laundry bag to bring the helmets back. I told Ben, I said, Ben, don't put the helmets in your bag. Because if you put them in your bag, they never going to make that flight. I said,

people going to unzip those equipment bags and take the helmets out. I said, I'm telling you what's going to make that flight. I said, people are going to unzip those equipment bags. And take it out. They're going to take the helmets out. So I'm telling you what's going to happen now. I get back two days later. Homeboy, guess what? I said, somebody stole the helmet I gave you. And what was unique about the helmet, I had a fracture in my eye socket. Right.

It's the old helmet. Right. And I had a dark visor on it so somebody got that helmet it's very unique it's the only one and it was the last year that we had the old the old helmets oh the dark the bright orange the the blue with the whole with the horse on it then we went to the navy right i said I said, I said, Ben, we changing uniforms. I said, this helmet is going to be very valuable.

Take this helmet on the plane with you. That means somebody got that. I even let him keep, keep the chest strap. Gone. So somebody, so somebody, somebody,

yeah, somebody got a sharp helmet with a dark visor. And the chest strap into the boot. But, yeah, man, that was – so the question is, how do we fix the dunk contest, Ocho? Because I'm a basketball fan, but I will say this. I remember when I first started watching the guys that were in the dunk contest, the majority of them was in the game.

Yeah. You had Dominique. You had a Larry Nance. You had a Michael Jordan. Now, the only guy that was in the game was Jalen Brown. I think last year, not one player was in the game. The last several years. I think in order to fix it, in order to fix the dunk contest,

you would have to ask the players, the players that are known for their vertical, the players that are known for jumping out the gym. You need to ask those active players, why is it that you don't want to compete? What is it that we can do that can get you to want to compete? Are you nervous?

Are you scared of getting hurt? Is it because you lack creativity? You got to ask them. You got to ask those that we're used to seeing that we know can jump out the gym. How can you help us make the dunk contest better? What are you scared of? Are you scared of competing? Are you scared of messing up in front of people?

There's something to it where the best jumpers and the best players at dunking choose not to compete. There's a reason why. And we need to get to the bottom of it. How about this? What does the dunk contest do for a guy? Does it enhance his brand?

Because now it seems to be guys are very brand specific. If it doesn't enhance my brand, I'm not doing it. And the guys make so much money. Ocho, by the time the guy is 26, I mean, he comes out after his first year of college.

By the time he's 26, he's made $300 million. What is the dunk contest going to do for him? Jason Tatum is, what, 25. He's about to sign a contract next year for over $300 million. He's already made $150 million.

So what's the dunk contest going to do? Well, you know what? Maybe we can incentivize it a little bit more to get them young fellas. Tell me the incentive that you can give me. I make $50, $60 million a year. Tell me the incentive that you can offer me to get me to50, $60 million a year. Tell me the incentive that you can offer me to get me to do it.

That's a good question. Hey, listen, the funny thing about it, they make so much money, the dunk contest, they just ain't going to do it. They just ain't going to do it because obviously money is normally the power tool and the best incentivization when it comes to doing anything. But if you're making that kind of money, what the hell I'm going out here dunking for? Thank you. And I'm on break. Hold on.

And I'm on break. I'm on break. And I'm on break. Shit, I wish I were. Then you have the commitment. Now, you got to practice the dunks. Then you have the media stuff. I mean, guys like,

you want to do as little as possible. Possible, right. I mean, you look at LeBron. You didn't see LeBron until Saturday. He show up for the media day. They're going to do the shoot-around. And that's pretty much it. They literally take it off.

They are literally taking it off. That's a break. That's why it's called the all-star break. Yeah. I don't think they'll ever. And the fact that you said, as soon as you said money,

they make this amount of money, ain't no way in hell Adam Silver going to get them boys out there doing anything having to do with dunking. I mean, I'm surprised Jalen Brown. Jalen Brown got the first $300 million contract, and he was in the dunk contest.

I think that's something that he's always wanted to do. I don't know if these guys are, I mean, because the three-point shot has taken over for the dunk. Like when Kobe and Jordan and all those guys, the dunk was still the thing. Right. It's not the thing anymore. More people watch the three-point competition than the dunk competition.

Yeah. I guarantee you more people watch Steph and Sabrina Anusku. Three-point contest. Than watch the dunk competition. Right. Because you don't know half the guys. Yeah. That's unfortunate.

That's unfortunate. That's unfortunate. I mean, look, I wish I could give you a more analytical or more, Ocho, this is why. But we don't know the guys. I mean, to see Jordan and to see Dominique and see Kobe, to see the Dr. J's, the Larry Nances, those guys were in the game. These guys not in the game. They just like showing up.

Yeah, they ain't trying to do nothing. And we don't know them. We don't know them. These guys, the guys that participated in dunk contests back then, they were like household names. Even though they might not have been in the All-Star game, they were household names. Household names, yeah.

And they had catchy names. Daryl Griffin was Dr. Duncanstein. Mm-hmm. Clyde the Glyde. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You had Eric Jordan. You had Dominique the Human Highlight.

Doctor. You know another thing? What's that? I'm sure they got paid for that, right? Yeah. I think Dominique said that when he won the dunk contest his first time, I think he got $12,000.

Well, think about this. They weren't making the kind of money back then that they are now. Maybe that's why everybody was doing it just to get that extra dollar. I think the thing was

guys wanted to be known. They were dunkers. That's what they were known for. And they wanted that title. Who's known as a dunker now? Nah. Guys shooting threes. I guarantee you most guys have more three

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The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Arjo, I don't know if you saw this, but Team Shea put that beat down on Stephen A. Yeah, I see y'all boys won. You see what I do? I told him I'm going to coach him. Now, he had the better squad, but I knew they were playing to my hands because they had three guys trying to win the MVP.

Right. So they played selfish ball. That's what I do. And I knew if we could ever get them, I said, I'll tell him 50. I said, if we can ever get them down, everybody's going to come on that team. Those three guys are going to try to shoot the ball and try to win MVP to get him back into it. So let's just get him down. Hey, I told, I said, Micah, bro, I'll watch you warm up.

You'll game in from the outside. Get the ball. Get down here. I said, first of all, they're going to get out your way because you're 250. Ain't nobody trying to take no charge. So just get downhill. I say, Puka, you're the most athletic dude out here. Mm-hmm.

Hey, we're going to find little guys. We're going to get some easy buckets here and there. I say, but y'all two guys got to go. I try to get everybody some playing time. You know, everybody like, man, put Kai in. Kai, I'm going to say How many minutes I got, Kai? Man, I got Kai 14 minutes. Man, I see.

I saw his tweet. He said, tweet, man, put me in the game, coach. Oh, Joe. Kenny who? Kenny who? Oh, Joe. Yes, sir. I treat it just like a Pro Bowl.

I'm going to have fun. But come fourth four quarter we serious oh yeah yeah game time uh june june lord hey because the way we had to like when jennifer hudson was out there we had to have lily out there okay once she went off they brought a natasha cloud i think that's the name natasha cloud in okay i put you lord but even when they took when they took the cloud off the hey i, hey, I left Jewel out there. I said, nah, hell nah, stay out there.

You stay in. Right, right, right. Yeah. And we had, you know, we had a couple of guys that, you know, Walker Hayes. He got us a couple of boards. He was good on the offensive glass.

Sir. Yeah. Good on the glasses. Hey, hey, check this out. And Dylan Wang. So his interpreter I think he's Chinese, he's a Chinese movie star his interpreter comes to me

you know taps me on the shoulder, I said like yes she pointed she brought him up, he came, say like he handled the ball I said he good with it, he got handles he shook his head, he looked at me, shook his head, yeah I said okay he not shoot too good though I said oh he can't shoot, okay, okay. He not shoot too good, though. I said, oh, he can't shoot.

Okay. Okay, we just let him handle it. Also, I put him in the game, give him the ball. I think he's going to handle it. Dude let a three go. He started driving. I said, hold on, wait a minute. Y'all done read the okie doke on me.

Y'all had me thinking he couldn't shoot, and he wanted me to get in the game so he could shoot. Right, right, right, right. I said, man, y'all don't rest. But he can handle the ball. Hey, he put it on the floor. He's Euro-stepping. And he play. He got, what did he get, 21 minutes?

He got 21 minutes, 9 of 14. He had 14, 18 points. What, he had 18? 18. He got a 15 shot, so cho. He know how to play some ball, man. Man, that a red ogen don't go for you. He can dribble. He good. He can handle the ball. He know how to play some ball, man. Man, that a red ogre don't go for each other. He can dribble.

He good. He can handle the ball. He not get you too good. I said, OK, he can't shoot too good. Good. We put him on the point. Let him distribute the thing. Yeah.

He come in there. He come in there gunning. He went in there cooking. Come to that thing like Lou Will. Let me go. I said, come on, on bro y'all done read a fast one on me but I told Micah say

I said Micah you gonna have to bring I said you and Puka you gonna have to bring us home you gotta bring us home I said I can get the rebounds I said well hell if you getting rebounds put it back up in the glass put it back up y'all got a little change for that? No, we ain't getting nothing.

I got bragging rights. You see what I'm saying? That's enough. That's all I wanted from Stephen A. I tried to tell him. He doing all that talking. You know, my partner ain't taking it serious. We supposed to be over here and shoot around.

I got my heels kicked up. Because I already know what's going to happen. Right. That's funny, man. What you and Stephen, they bet? I bet that look on his face. You know what I'm saying? You ain't ultra.

That look on his face. That's what I bet. That's what I want. Yeah, that's what all I wanted right there. Y'all ain't make no side bet, huh? Just the look on his face. Watch the show tomorrow. Watch the show tomorrow. I'm going to be up. I'm going to watch it. Listen, huh? Just to look on his face. Watch the show tomorrow. Watch the show tomorrow.

I'm going to be up. I'm going to watch it. Listen, I'm going to be up because I'm off work. I'm off. I'm on break. That's all I got now. All I got is nightcap now.

Remember what I told you, Ocho? I don't want your money. I want your pride. Right, right, right. He got to live with that. I'm done coaching. I'm done coaching. I ain't coaching no with that I'm done coaching I'm done coaching I ain't coaching no more

I'm done How long is this going to hold on? All the way to next year? Next all-star? I'm done coaching Oh, you done? I'm one and done I won the national championship

Cut the debt down I was a last-minute replacement coach anyway Oh, for real? Yeah Oh, okay, okay, okay. I just found out a couple of weeks ago that I was going to coach man. Yeah. And then it was against him. I said, oh yeah, I got this one.

Yeah. And he stacked the deck. I mean, he had guys, I mean, he had CJ Stroud, he had Tristan Jazz, he had Metal World Peace, but I knew Metal wasn't in no shape, so I don't know if he was going to go up that time. Metal probably about 300. For real? Man, he's 6'8". metal wasn't in no shape. So I don't know. He only go up that time. Metal probably about 300.

For real? Man, he's 6'8". So I know his knees were gonna start hurting. Back don't start hurting him. I know he couldn't get up there. Hey, how many minutes metal play? He played 19 minutes, which was about nine more than I thought he could play. But anyway. But you know, hey, they had the uh the uh olympic high jump champ uh right you're marco tambiri uh-huh he uh tied uh uh barsham the dude from bahrain they really good

friends and so they tied for the uh the olympic gold medal but uh nah that's live but you can't you can't one and done him man you gotta you gotta come you gotta oh y'all i'm good i'm good they saw about they saw the skills i'm running i told y'all we'll run the pick and roll put them in the pen down the flare right right right right i'm good i just just want to be steven a he gonna try to coax me that's how i used to do my brother my brother beat me i was like coax him back out there told him i gave him the ball first because it was important if you get the ball first make it take right right you want the ball first so i coaxed him back out there man i let you have the ball first as a matter of fact i let you have

the ball the first two positions even if you miss it i get the ball back to you i just want to get him back out there no i'm done steven a so don't ask i'm done i'm officially done. You're going to have an excuse tomorrow, though. Ocho, Ocho, this is your favorite time of the show. The next segment is called Dunk on Up. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You ready?

Hold on. No, we got some graphics. Okay, okay. We don't have this one ready. We got another one graphics. Okay, okay. We don't have this one ready. We got another one coming. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead, Ocho. You ready?

Yep. All right. Come on, chat. Y'all ready? Dunk on Unc trivia. I know you're going to get this one wrong. Only two NBA players have won All-Star Game MVP four times. Really? Really? Only two NBA players have won All-Star Game MVP four times. Really?

Only two NBA players have won... I don't want to read no more. Bob Pettit and Kobe Bryant. Are you cheating, man? Somebody briefed you before this. Where Ash at, man?

Ash at Denver. Nah, somebody briefed you on that. I ain't even finished the question. How you know? What you said before, I know. Yeah, see, hey, you know what? What? I'm being bamboozled.

Oh, Joe, I don't know why. Okay, okay. Now, if you get this, I know something going on. Something going on if you get this, I know something going on. Something going on if you get this one. You ready? Yes. Which of the following players has never won a dunk contest? Sean Kemp, Josh Smith, or Isaiah Ryder?

Oh, Sean Kemp, number one. Man. J.R. Smith won the dunk contest in 05. Isaiah Ryder won it also. When he pulled the jersey up over his head. Sean Kemp, number one. Hey, you be cheating, man. Hey, you got, they gave you some cliff notes or something?

I don't, Ocho, I don't know, Ocho. If I don't go nowhere, what do you think I be doing? Yeah, but you, I mean, but you don't know, Ocho. If I don't go nowhere, what do you think I'd be doing? Yeah, but you don't even... I don't see you as a basketball head. You just know all the fucking answers. I am. All right. All right, here we go.

Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Okay, come on. Which active NBA player has the most scoring titles? Kevin Durant. Man, hell nah, man.

Now there's some bull jive, man. He got four. He got four. Who got more scoring titles than him? Me. Russ got one. I think Harden might have two. Steph. I don't think any of the other guys

Got any scoring titles Or Joel Embiid Nah see they giving you The questions that we have Are a little too easy Because you're not supposed to even know none of these Why? Now if you're going to say who has the most scoring titles Then I would say Michael Jordan has ten

And then the next would be Will Chandler with seven. All right. Here we go. Next question. There's somebody over there cheating. I don't know who it is. All right. Guess who I am. Okay. Guess who I am. I played in the 70s and the 80s.

I am a 16 time all-star, four-time MVP. I was born in New York. See, that's too easy. That's too easy. He won three ABA MVPs. He won the 82 MVP. Yeah.

Because I think Moses was 81 and 83. Moses won the MVP three times. So I would say Dr. J. See, you know the years and all, man. That's how I knew he did your homework. Well, once you say 70s and 80s and you said four times MVP, I knew who it was.

He played with the Squires. He started off with the Squires. I actually had a conversation with him. He ended up going to the Nets. Nets sold his right. He ended up going to the Sixers, I think, in 76. I'm doing the questions from now on.

I'm going to create my own questions from now on because something ain't right. All right, this is the last one. Ocho, you do realize, Ocho, I remember the Sixers used to be my team. And when they lost the title to the Portland Trailblazers in 77 with George McGinnis, Dr. J, World Breed Free, Caldwell Jones, in 77 uh with george mcginnis dr j world be free uh carl will jones uh they had uh uh uh who else was on that team carl will jones george mcginnis daryl dawkins dr j they had a nice little squad back then and they started out they start open up oh two and then the portland trailblazers ended up taking uh four in a row from them

with Bill Walton. They had Big Bo Lucas and Alano Hollis was the guard and Dr. Jack Ramsey was the head coach. Alright, this is the last one. This is the last one, but you know, you don't win four for four,

man. Okay, come on. Come on, Ocho. At 6-6, who was the shortest player to ever lead the league in You done went four for four, man. Okay, come on. Come on, Ocho. At 6'6", who was the shortest player to ever lead the league in rebounds with 14.6 per game? Wow. Yeah. 6'6". Yeah. 6'6". Yeah.

Yeah, you ain't going to get this one, buddy. You ain't going to get this one, buddy. No, I'm just going to... Yeah, you're right. I probably won't get. You ain't gonna get this one, buddy. Nah, I'm just gonna... Yeah, you're right. I probably won't get this. I'm just gonna say Charles Barkley. All right, I'm gone, man. Hey, show over, man.

You chill, man. I'm gone. What? Hey, man. Where them asses at, man? Oh, chill. I know them asses in that computer or something. I can see through your glasses.

I see the reflection. Why you ain't see Dennis Rodman? Because Dennis Rodman's 6'8". Man, 6'6", 6'8", it's all the same shit. No, it's not. First of all, Ocho, do you know how bad Ash want to stump me? Nah, man. Her whole purpose is to try to stump me.

That's all she does. Somebody over there helped you with this. Because if this was the SAT, you just aced that motherfucker. Ocho, when it comes to sports trivia, you know, Ocho, like football, basketball, track and field, Olympics, stuff like that, it's going to be hard to stump me, Ocho, unless you like really go way, way, way back. I don't know, man. I don't know. I just have a feeling that, you know, you were briefed on the questions so you knew the answers. I just, it was a little too easy

for you, a little too easy. I'm going to come up with the questions myself. Ocho, you realize I was on Jeopardy, right? I mean, I was on Jeopardy too. I played on my phone. I got the app. No, no, no. I was there actually and rest your soul, Alex Trebek was asking the question.

I won. Alright. Alright. I'm going All right. All right. All right. I'm going to let you slide now. I'm going to let you slide tonight. I did trivia. Oh, me?

Oh, look. We used to play trivia when he was at Broncos. Me, John, Steve Atwater. I do. What are our coaches named? Barney Shavers. We call him Duke. And we try to ask trivia,

try to stump. You know, hey, Ocho, I mean, what you want me to do? I mean, I think the people at home, I mean, the people that's listening to this chat, I think they feel very, very comfortable that I'm getting these answers without any assistance. No, I don't know. I think the people in the chat

might have a little... Ask what I'm asking. Hold on, ask. Who was the greatest... Who was the greatest... Who was the better distance shooter? Was it Steph? Because I don't see it in my thing. Did Steph win or did Dame win

as the greatest distance shooter? Wow. Steph, 69 to 31. Yeah, I mean, I think because wow Steph 69 to 31 yeah I mean I think because Steph shoots the three balls so well I figured everybody was going to go with him anyway just based off that

okay now it's time for Ocho one of my other favorites we got a graphics we got the graphics for this yes okay it's time for our daily dum-dum segment Ocho a graphics. We got the graphics for this. Yes. Okay. It's time for our daily dum-dum segment. Ocho.

Our Airbnb host is being sued by a guest because the host sent pictures of the guest with another woman to the guest's wife after he refused to pay $960 in fee

and left a bad review. Ocho, when you in the wrong, you got to do right. Right. Or when you doing wrong, you got to do right. Ocho,

if you heard the thing, Ocho, if you got, first of all, you married or you got a girl, you got a girl. Right. I'm not going to be speeding if I got somebody in the car with me. The last thing I need is to get stopped. Damn. You asking for trouble.

Now you mean to tell me, man, I'd have paid that $960. You about to be out of more than $960. You might be out of $96,000 or $960,000 if you got some red, bro. And a wife. Yes. And a wife. And you know what happens, Ocho, when you get divorced, right?

They take half the money and all the hoo-ha. That ain't a good deal, Ocho. No, it ain't. It ain't. It ain't. Not when they take half your shit and the hoo-ha go right along with it. All the hoo-ha, the whole hoo-ha gone.

They don't leave. Let me tell you, Your Honor. Can she leave a quarter of a can like on Mondays and Wednesdays or Monday and Thursdays? I still do what I need to do because she getting half my money. She going to get half the pension.

She going to get half. Everything. Everything. Yes! That's why you got to read the fine print. Even if you have an ironclad prenup, she leaving with something. Ocho, why if you doing dirt

all the time, you're going to take this situation to make a stand when you know they got cameras? Wait, they ain't supposed to have no cameras in there, now. I mean, most people got cameras in their house. You got cameras in your house. Wait, hold on.

That's against the law. That's an invasion of privacy. It is. That's why he's suing. That's against the law. Okay. Okay, he gonna win the lawsuit and lose the wife. Yeah, you right.

Hey, wait a minute. Stay with me now. Now, depending on how much she wins in that lawsuit, she's going to think twice about leaving. She might. Yeah. But here's the thing, Ocho. She probably would have stayed, but her friends, but you know how them friends don't get in the air.

Oh, listen, them friends can get in the air all they want. Them friends ain't got no funds. Because if he win the right, if he win a comfortable amount of money, listen, you know, a woman that's hurt, well, she heal up like Wolverine now. I hope, you know what I'm talking about.

A woman that's hurt, depending on what the money look like, depending on the amount of zeros you have or you getting, well, a woman heal up like Wolverine. Yeah, you right, Ochoa. I tell you no lie. I hope he got one more than Airbnb

because I'm about to have them all. When I'm done with it, When I'm done with it, when I'm done with it, Ocho. Yeah. Yeah, man. Oh, man, that's crazy. That's crazy. I mean, you got the move right.

If you're going to do something like that, you don't do it at an Airbnb, obviously. Where you doing that? You run the risk, you go to a hotel, you run the risk of seeing somebody. Yeah, yeah. So where you doing that? You run the risk. You go to a hotel. You run the risk of seeing somebody. Yeah. Yeah. So where you doing that, Ocho?

Hold on, Ocho. Ocho, let's be correct. You shouldn't do it if you're married. Do it at all. Let's put that disclaimer right there, Ocho. If you're married, you shouldn't be, because I know everybody, we got the moral police here, Ocho. This is what Ocho and Shannon is saying.

If you're married, you should not be having sex outside of your partner. Wife or husband, whichever the case may be, once you become, once you stand before the judge, or you stand before the minister, the priest, or whatever

it is, who you're standing in front of, once you do that, all extra hoo-ha, all extra, or whatever it is, who you're standing in front of, once you do that, all extra hoo-ha, all extra tally-whacker is off the table. That's the disclaimer. Now, that's what we're saying. Ocho and I, we're in agreeance.

That shouldn't happen, but it did. Man, do you know people that have, people, you know, know people you can lose your life over some foolishness like this oh yeah people don't be playing about people people be playing too much because everybody don't play you trying to be cute everybody don't play like you play yeah yeah well yeah man that that's that's that's life especially when it comes to someone's someone's woman someone someone's wife. They don't play.

Hey, you know what I just noticed? Look how ashy I am. Yeah, man. You was born in North Carolina, huh? No, I was born in Liberty City. Nah, you're not born in Ashby. You know, I just washed my hand, but I ain't put no lotion. Hmm.

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