Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: NFLPA Report Cards, Jets Drama, & the Raider Way

Episode Date: March 1, 2024

Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Chiefs getting an F- from the NFL, continued drama with the New York Jets and an ex-GM calling out Antonio Pierce 01:30 NFLPA hands out grades, including an F- to Chiefs for their facilities 06:00 Bengals receive F- for “Treatment of Families” and Food/cafeteria - Ocho disagrees 13:30 Ocho says he’s going to talk to Bengals players that commented on team facilities 32:00 NFL defines hip-drop tackles in latest rule change proposal 36:40 Jets have belief that Mecole Hardman leaked game plan to opponents 51:00 Michael Lombardi slams Antonio Pierce for not knowing “the Raider way” (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)      #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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this is the part of life that people understand that the people love us we love the people and the fact that we didn't start exactly at 10 o'clock that's all about it being our show because when we when we start that's when we start we apologize for the inconvenience but ain't like we got to go like you told me off air that you you know you you done i'm not done okay okay okay my bad my bad i gotta get to work in the morning okay so it's time for our first segment of the of the night and it's called news cap let's take off right quick yeah ocho the nflpa releases this team report card. The Chiefs, who won three Super Bowls in the last four years,

were ranked 31st in the league in player satisfaction. Only the Commanders had scored lower. Andy Reid was given an A-plus by the players, but owner Clark Hunt was given an F-minus, which I didn't even know was possible. I thought F was as low as you can go. They said, nah, we're going to take a little step lower.

Hunt basically promised to make things better for the players that never delivered and had the most pathetic excuse imaginable. The team was promised a renovated locker room when they returned this season after winning the Superbowl, only new chairs were added. Players were told they went too far in the playoffs and didn't have enough time to renovate. Oh, I see what he's saying,

because they weren't out of the locker room with enough time for them to renovate the locker room when they came back during maybe the off-season program or something like that. But listen, we're talking about the Chiefs, right? The owner's worth about $15 billion. They're only worth about $15 billion. But let's talk about this. Let's talk about the fact that these players, Patrick Holmes, Andy Reid.

Kelsey. The players on offense, the players on defense. They're doing something special that other teams haven't been able to achieve they got an f but where it counts on the goddamn fucking field they're bringing home lombardi trophies maybe the fact that it doesn't look like you're on vacation or the fact that it does look like you're in a goddamn resort when you're coming to work maybe that's the reason behind some of the success so if you change if you change the atmosphere inside the locker room where it looks like, oh, you're coming to goddamn Cancun,

or you're coming to this nice ass island with all this modern furniture, maybe the players lose that drive. Maybe the players lose that hunger to want to play and to want to win. I mean, I don't understand the problem. This ain't vacation. This is time to go to work. Fuck all the goddamn amenities. Who cares about the amenities?

Can we make it look like it's 2020 and not 1960? Come on, man. I mean, listen, I understand. I know what your locker room looked like back then. Oh, we had nice locker rooms. It was nice. And they modernized it since we

left. Yeah. Right. A little bit. Yeah, but listen, to me, honestly, to me, I mean, to me personally, I'm not sure how the players that they feel. Obviously, the players in this era are a little different. They want a little bit more. Man, I can give two. I could do give two. You know what's about this. Listen, I stated the Bengal State

in the first year. When you want to stay there, you wouldn't stay there. It was a dump. What if they have no couches every team has couches I stayed in the players lounge I didn't need

all that crazy stuff my mindset was I'm here to work I'm here to play football all that extra stuff you know people are complaining about I even heard some of the stuff on the report cards about cafeteria and food F minus or E minus Ash I think that's an F minus Some of the stuff on the report cards about cafeteria and food. Yeah, Bengals got it. Come on.

F-minus or E-minus, Ash? I think that's an F-minus. You guys, Bengals got a report card, but the food really stands out. Team does not employ a full-time dietician. Dietician? In addition, they rank 30th in food taste and 31st in food freshness. Who cares? We rank number one in the culture being changed and what Zach

Taylor's been able to do. They worry about all this dumb shit, man. When you win, listen, when them players, they pay you enough money, they pay you enough money, have a goddamn meal prep, make you goddamn meal before you come to the stadium, before you go to work. Look how the culture and the winning culture has

changed. Now we complain about goddamn food and the cafeteria and diet and nutrition. I've always been bad with food. You would think you would adapt to the times after you start winning, Ocho. So what you doing with all that money? Okay. The salary cap just went up to $255 million. Okay. Right.

We giving it to the players. We giving it to the players. We giving it to the players. You want paydays. You want to make all your money. And now you're complaining about the goddamn locker room and the chairs and the couches and the motherfucking lights and the music and the surround sound system and all. Come on, man. Let's just play football.

Keep in mind what the end goal is. Playing football, winning the division, and winning the goddamn Lombardi trophy. Not all these dumbass amenities that you get when you go on fucking vacation to cancun and the bahamas they're one of four teams that don't offer neither family room nor daycare for players and families on game day you cool with that huh they're one of four teams that are offered neither a family room nor daycare for players families on game day. Are you okay with that? I mean, listen, they have a suite for the families when it's time to watch the game.

They have a family section for the families when it's time for the games. Now you mean we have to accommodate the family when the game is over? Where are they going to go? You wait like my family used to do. You wait outside. You wait outside and let the rest of the family wait outside. This ain't $2,000, though, Joe. You come out. This ain't $2,000. So now you want to own as the accommodation family, too.

We already paying you on top of the millions we paying you. Now we accommodate everybody else that's coming to the game. Oh, no. Accommodate to give them a room so they can stand and don't have to be with the regular fans? Yeah, that's asking too much. No, no, no, no, no, no. The family has a family section that they congregate at. After the game.

After the games, downstairs. They're the only ones that are able to go into that area. Well, guess what? The players said no. The players gave you an F. Say you're 30th in food taste, 31st in food freshness, and you're one of four teams that offer neither family room nor daycare for players' families on game day.

Now, that's what your players say. You know what? You know what? I don't care about us getting F because right now the goddamn Bengals have a winning culture. Everything has changed when it comes to playing, and we are respected in the public eye, and that's all that matters. I don't care about no cafeteria. I don't care about nutrition.

I don't care about no diet. We know that you don't care about nutrition, but a lot of players in today's game do. And that's the problem. That's why a lot of players keep getting hurt. Because they worry about the wrong stuff. You worry about the wrong shit. Tom Brady, how was his nutrition? He's retired.

He played 23 seasons. How was that? But he's retired. He's retired. LeBron James played 21 seasons. Playing at an elite level. LeBron James. Why are you naming people that are not like anyone

else you be talking about? Maybe they could be if you fed them properly, if you housed them properly. Maybe they could not because who you are is who you are and what you eat is not going to make you any goddamn better. Stop selling people that dream like these companies do. That's foolish. Child, please.

So, you know, we know it's foolish. Listen, stay with me real quick. Stay with me real quick. People, people in the chat, please stop believing that if you eat healthy, if you eat all the right stuff and you have a nutritionist and you have a meal prepper, you have a goddamn diet, all of a sudden you're going to be great at what you do.

Nobody said all of a sudden. Let me nobody said all of a sudden nobody said all of a sudden let me finish let me finish let me the food you eat what you consume is not going to make you great there's a certain god-given ability the work you have to put in and the skill set that you have not all of that that's a combination no because let me ask you a question wait let me let me finish either you got it um or you don't you can work your ass off come come sundown the sunrise either you got it or you don't if you ran a six flat 40 and still ran routes like you did you think you're getting open yeah stop it now come on ocho so why are you using a hypothetical i was fast i was fast it was a combination of your speed right and your running ability one without the other wait a minute you would so if you run a four three with no

hold on there wait a minute there were other things there were other things other small nuances that i was excellent at that made me a great route runner. Not just understanding leverage, understanding the DBs, understanding the defense, knowing what he's trying to take away from me. There's so many different components. And none of them, wait, none of those components had anything to do with what I consume before and after games.

Had nothing to do with food. All that may be true. You can understand leverage. You can understand the nuances. But running a six flat 40 at Tom Brady speed, you're not getting open. You know that? I know that.

I don't run a six flat though. That's my point. Thank you. Because you're trying to make it, you're trying to put it in a vacuum saying this. I'm saying it's a combination of all things that make you that thank you thank you i don't agree i don't agree i don't agree i just don't like the fact that you you're doing what the companies do what you're doing you're doing what the companies

do and and doing and being able to sell a product well listen if you eat what we have if you might have played 14 years you're all of a sudden maybe you eat what we have, if you eat what we make... You might have played 14 years, had you ate right. You're all of a sudden going to be better. Maybe you'd have played 14 years. Maybe you'd have played 15 years, had you ate right. Who? I played 12. That was long enough. How long you want me to play? How long you want me to play? Like you told her, we didn't count no...

How long do you want me to play? I played very long. We didn't count no last two. Wait, stop. The average NFL career in two to three years, that's it. Are you average? So why are you putting yourself in a category which you're average nfl career are you every three years that's it are you average so why are you putting yourself in a category that you're not in why are you putting yourself in a category that you're not in i was okay no no you said the average are you average yes or no okay so that's not applicable to you okay well actually it's not applicable to anybody and the fact that these companies are selling us a lie and a goddamn dream that if you consume what we have you're going to be that

much better than what you are no that's not how it works it's a combination you're trying elcho elcho you see what you're doing is that you're saying this i'm saying a combination of those things yes god-given ability yes work ethic yes hard work yes yes but but listen uncle you got all these young fellas they eating like rabbits they eating like rabbits they eating these small portions all this green shit then you're going out there playing a barbaric sport and you wonder why you keep breaking everything you wonder why this is tearing you wonder why this is pulling you know why because you're eating the fucking garbage that they saying you need to eat in order to be fucking great.

It's not simple. It's common sense. That's the problem. I believe. I believe. I'm telling you, we got we got. Listen, we got people going out there just jogging, just walking, tearing Achilles. Non-contact injuries.

Why is that? All of a sudden that never happened when I was playing. Never happened. I had no injuries. 12-year career, nothing, except a dislocated pinky. Look, I came and straightened it up. It looked like I got ED. But here's the thing, though, Ocho.

You're taking your situation, and you're saying because I did this, and you're saying everybody should succumb to that. No, they shouldn't succumb to it. You do what works for your body body but i'm just telling you the fact that we have this notion that what we put in our bodies is going to make us play at this level like tom brady is a combination see i'm not saying that just because you eat healthy if you're not a good athlete no matter what you eat is going to make you a better athlete i'm saying the better few there's a reason why race cars and airplanes

put certain level of fuel in that vehicle, in that plane. That's all I'm saying, Ocho. You can, see, you're trying to make it mutually exclusive, and it's not. I believe you can do, it needs to be

a combination of this, this, this, and this. Okay, I got you. You know what? This is what I like about us. I fucking love you. We can agree to disagree, but I think part of the reasons injuries are up so goddamn high now is

because of the intake and what the players are consuming these days. I think the players train too much personally, but that's just me. Hold on. They said daycare on game day for kids you guys don't have and somewhere better than a tent outside for families together after the game. Now, that's what the players are saying.

Are you still a player in Cincinnati? Yes, I'm still a part of the team. Are you still a player? Yes, I never retired. Don't worry about it. They already sent you to fire you. But anyway, they said somewhere better than a tent outside for families together after the game. That is what the players are saying.

We're not talking about you when you got the little, when you got your ceremony. You know, we know this is what we could do. This is what we could do. This is what the owners are going to do. Since you guys want to gripe about all the extra amenities and stuff that you don't have, then we'll take some of that when it's time to get paid. We'll take some of the money. We'll take some of the money that you're asking for when it's time to get paid and use that instead to make sure to accommodate the families and accommodate the kids and do things like that.

I bet. I bet they won't agree then. I bet they won't agree then. You want all your goddamn money. Then you want to complain about all the other things that have nothing to do with the goddamn game. Come on now, fellas. We got to get it together. And I'm going to talk to

my Bengals players and find out who has this issue because we need to focus on the bottom line. Y'all never focused on the bottom line. You should be in New Orleans. So clearly, they're doing something because they're complaining and winning, which Cincinnati hadn't done at a very high level in a very long time. So I,

right. You know, I can, can I, can I tell you why we winning? Can I give you a small example while we're winning? Joe Burrow, Zach Taylor,

Jamar Chase, Tyler Boyd. You want me to keep going? Carson Palmer, Ocho Seco Johnson, TJ Housmanzada, Henry, when y'all had a running back, Corey Dmer, Ocho Cinco Johnson, T.J. Housmanzada, Henry, when y'all had the running back, Corey Dillon,

when y'all had the other running back. So why y'all didn't win at this level? Rudy Johnson, Cedric Benson. Then what happened? We had some good years. That 2005 year, that was our year. If Carson didn't go down, if Carson didn't go down. You're doing a lot of ifs again.

You told me about using them ifs and hypotheticals. You told me I couldn't use hypotheticals. All right. But I'm just telling you. No, no, you didn't tell me definitively. I think you're giving me something that doesn't require hypothetical. Okay. We're winning.

The culture has changed. What matters in Cincinnati has changed. Clearly, that matters to the player, or they wouldn't complain about it. Do you complain about things that don't matter? You don't complain about flight because you say it doesn't matter because you're going to get there on time clearly they're complaining about it because it bothers them it don't bother them it don't bother them i don't even matter of fact you know what i don't even trust this i don't even trust this because i don't even think the players voted i think somebody made this up i don't even think i don't

even think because they ain't asking You're not a current player. Why would they ask you when you're not a current player? I'm just saying. Listen, I guarantee. Matter of fact, I called Chase right now. I asked him. He ain't the only player on the team. Okay.

Well, listen. We can agree to disagree. I think. Listen, my main focus. So this thing about Kansas City is made up. That's not true. Kansas City should be the last. I'm not saying they're winning.

I'm just asking, are you saying they're lying, that this survey is a lie? I don't know. I'll call Pat Mahomes after this and ask him. Because Miami, the Dolphins, they said 1,706 of our players provided information to the NFLPA about the current club. 1,706 of our players provided information to the NFLPA about the current job, the current club. 1,706. So 30. So 32 clubs times 53.

That's damn near all of them. So all but about 200 players responded. Yeah. Well, I tell you, I tell you, I tell you what. Now, when it's time to get paid, how about they take some of that money we asking for? And then they use that for all amenities and they're proving the goddamn locker rooms in the family section for your family. I guarantee they won't kill

no more than that. I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you. Wait, wait, wait, let me finish. We need to focus on the end goal. We coming in there to work. This ain't no goddamn resort. This ain't goddamn vacation. We can vacation when the season is over.

Let's focus on what we came to do. Go to meetings. Go to practice. Out of practice. Watch film. Hit the cold tub. Do your therapy. Do y'all got cold tub?

Whatever else you need to do. Take your ass home. Do y'all got amenities like that? Yeah, always. I got a cold tub right here in the house. Because, I mean, when I saw that'all little minis was a little scarce Nah we was good We was good

It was good enough for me to go out and perform every Sunday Whether it was playing home on the way I'm just I'm like I'm like Ay ay um Ay ay um Can I tell you something

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Now I need you to have that same energy. Okay, what about the owners that want to increase the tax to increase the value of their team? You okay with that? Huh? Yes. Am I okay with that? No. No, no, no. I need you to get on that soapbox. You just said you about 12 feet tall. Now I need you to get on my soapbox

You just said you about 12 feet tall Now I need you to argue I need you to argue for the fans I need you to argue for the fans Stay with me now I need you to argue for the fans Just like you argued in support of the owners Take off

Okay can you hear me? I need you to just find Did you see the ticket prices for the Carolina Panthers this year? I just want to just stay with me real quick. Did you see the ticket prices for the Carolina Panthers this year? You see how low they were? Yeah. So for the fans,

for the fans in Cincinnati, I guarantee, I guarantee you ask any fan. I think the stadium see 75,000. Y'all ain't see no 75,000. Stop it, man. We still have every home game. What are you talking stadium seats 75,000. Man, y'all ain't seat no 75,000. Stop it. Man, we still out every home game. What you talking about? 55,000?

Y'all ain't got no 75,000 seat stadium? Paid core stadium seats 75,000. Y'all ain't got no ass pulling up. Let me finish. Let me finish. I guarantee you ask any Cincinnati fan, if the prices are being raised, the prices are being raised

because you know you have a winning organization now and the team is winning so wait I guarantee you none of them have a problem because the end result is exactly what the fans the boys want I guarantee you that theory if the players are starting to win they can't complain because they're winning but the fans shouldn't be able to complain because the team is winning. Well, I mean, listen. You got to pick your poison now. What you want? You want to lose and have cheap? You want to

be losing and you want the tickets to be cheap as hell or you'd rather be winning and get your money's worth on what you're paying for? Well, I don't want you to raise my ticket every year. I don't want you to raise the ticket price every year. What happens to rent every year? What happens to rent every year? What happens to rent every year? What happens to prices everywhere in this economy every year?

I've got to pay my rent. I've got to pay a mortgage. I ain't got to go watch the bingo play. What does it do? I'm asking you, though. Stay with me, now. What does it do every year? In all businesses, in this economy, what goes up every year no matter what it just

it just inflation and just the way that the business works but see here but i guarantee you if tickets are a hundred dollars for bangles games guess who paying a hundred dollars every single fan because they know the product that they get on sundays on that field they don't have a problem with that they know at the end of the day my Bengals teams are winning as opposed to when tickets was $20 and nobody was showing up. I remember the day when we were losing so bad

I had to buy out the rest of the tickets so we wouldn't be blacked out on TV. I remember that. What's the seating capacity of a Bengals stadium? $75,000. This is a good topic, man. This is a good fucking start.

65,500. What? 65,500. No, I'm talking about the standing room. That's another 2,000. You got 65,000 people in that stadium. You're not as big as out here. Wait a minute.

You're not as big as Mile High. You're not as big as Al here. Wait a minute. You're not as big as Mile High. You're not as big as some of these big, big, I don't know what the Bills, but the Bills used to hold 80,000. You're not that old, Joe. Wait, let me tell you the difference. This is the problem, which you don't understand. We have made renovations to Paycore Stadium. There's a certain area where you can stand up, and it holds 10,000.

Even with that standing room only, 65,000. That's 75,000 if it's 10,000 for standing room. Back to that end. You hating on us. You're not the Cowboys. It's 65,000 seats.

You're not the Cowboys. The occupation for standing room is 10,000. You mad. You're not the Broncos. You're not the Broncos. We said more. You're not the Packers. The Broncos. Hey, the Broncos, y'all don't even count.

We better than y'all. We better. When's the last time the Broncos beat the Bengals? What? Yeah. When's the last time the Broncos beat the Bengals? Y'all don't even have no quarterback. Y'all don't even have no quarterback.

There are 32 teams in the NFL. The Bengals stadium is the seventh smallest. The seventh smallest? Hey, there are 32 teams in the NFL, and we're the third best. You're the seventh smallest. We're still the best. We're better than y'all. We don't care about the size of the stadium.

Who has the better team? We got Lombardi. I mean, I go walk in and Paul D. Boland, that center, and I see three Lombardi. If I walk into Paul Brown Stadium, what I'm going to see? Joe Burrow. He better than everything y'all got. Nah.

We got Lombardi. We got Jamar Chase. That's the pass. Stop living on the pass. Y'all ain, nah. We got Lombardi's. We got Jamar Chase. We don't care. That's the past. Stop living on the past. Y'all ain't got nothing. We better than y'all right now. Y'all got one of them. I don't want to hit them by the past.

Y'all got Munoz. Y'all got Munoz. Who's two? They got me too. I put my own jacket on. Now what? Nah. Yeah, dude.

101. That's a century 21 jacket. It don't matter. Hold on. According to the Sports Business Journal, some executives are trying to downplay the survey because, of course, they do. All apart of evidence to deny, deflect, dispute undeniable feedback from the

players. Because here's the thing. In the collective bargaining agreement, you know there are certain things that are supposed to be met by each and every team. So I think that's the crux of it. I don't think they're trying to say, like, oh, this team is bad. But, ho, in the collective bargaining agreement, there are certain amenities that were supposed to be afforded

in the collective bargaining agreement, like meals. You know, when I played my last couple of years, we got breakfast. But proud of that, you got no breakfast. You got lunch. Now both teams give you breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Wait, we had nutritionists when I was playing. We had breakfast, lunch, and dinner when I was playing. I'm not sure.

I'm sure. I ain't played in 20 years. I'm sure they get all that now. I don't know. If they had a nutritionist way back then that I ignored, I know they got nutritionists now. Because the Bengals say they ain't played in 20 years. I'm sure they get all that now. I don't know. If they had a nutritionist way back then that I ignored, I know they got nutritionists now. Because the Bengals say they ain't got one. And that's what your survey just came out.

So if you don't got one now, you didn't have one then. No, I promise you. I wouldn't lie to you. I know I play around a lot, but I remember we had a nutritionist come in, and she always tried to get me to talk to her. I was like, listen, ma'am, I already have a routine that I do. My system isn't broke and I'm not trying to fix it, but I, I, I, I understand. I mean, I mean, listen, I love this subject here.

Cause I was first in the forefront of this. The NFL competition committee continued to formulate language that will rule for a rule that will penalize the hip drop tackle. The league will define the tackle as a grab, swivel, dropping the weight on the back of the ankles. It will only be called when it's clear and obvious and all three components are present and officials are confident they see it. Support for outlawing the hip drop tackle this season

following several injuries across Mark Andrews, Tyreek Hill, both suffered ankle injuries as a result of the hip drop tackle, as well as Geno Smith briefly exited the game due to the hip drop tackle. Now, I remember us having a conversation earlier in the year, Ocho. You remember that conversation? With who? With me? Bad day.

What'd I say? Bad day. I said, Ocho, you remember how they outlawed the horse collar cow? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was bad. That was bad. That was bad.

Pulling from behind. That's how T.O. got hurt when Roy Williams. Roy Williams. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got several people like that. But that's what I'm saying. Right. This is the equivalent because guys are breaking that.

Remember that? Now, Dak got snatched down from the front. Broke his ankle. Yeah. I'm telling you. I said, look, I'm surprised they didn't do it earlier because remember Patrick Mahomes got tackled like that. Right, right, right.

He didn't get hurt. Yeah, he got hurt in Jacksonville in the playoffs last year. Oh, the ankle. The ankle roll. The ankle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the pocket. NFL executive Jeff Miller,

who lobbied for penalizing hip drop tackle in October, noted that the hip drop tackle increased the risk of injury by 25 times the rate of a regular tackle. I like that. I like that. I'm not sure where they got the percentage from in that. But listen, I'm all for protecting the players. I'm all for protecting the players i'm all for protecting the players especially in game but now what you're gonna have to do is you're gonna have to hang your angles gonna be have to be different because most of the time when somebody doing a drop tackle remember the person is already going by you he's already going by you and using your weight to stop his momentum

and bring him down so now you got you're gonna have to be cautious and a little bit more weary defensively the league has not taken – Especially if it's somebody fast and they're running by you. Shit, I mean, you damn, they got to let them go. A lot of times they get them coming out, like coming out of a pile, and the guy you drop, a lot of times you see linebackers and corners jumping on the back of the guy and losing their weight. Because I got – you know what, Ocho?

I got to stop you. You're pulling me, you're getting extra yards. I got to stop you where I got, you know what, Ocho? I got to stop you. You're pulling me, you're getting extra yards. I got to stop you where I got you. The league has not taken action against any style of tackle since 2006 when it penalized the horse collar tackle, giving the offense 15 yards and an automatic first down. It's not clear what penalty would be of the hip drop tackle, but it would likely be significant like the horse collar.

They're going to call it 15 yards, and it's going to be a first down. And you know what's going to happen on Joe? 15? That guy that does it, just like a horse collar, he's going to get fined. Now the first fine is probably going to be like $20,000. And the next time you know you do it again, it's going to be like $50,000 to $60,000.

And that third time? What's my safety safety Kareem Jackson Listen the fact that Kareem Jackson belonged in our era of football He belonged in our era of football Because he played safety He came downhill and he came to the party The way safety did during our era

I'm not sure how he's going to be able to change His style of play Because what's going to end up happening is you slow down, you change anything as fast as those players are moving, you're going to end up hurting yourself. Or missing the tackle.

You're going to end up hurting yourself. What are the other? It's definitely difficult, but the one thing I know about human and human behavior is the ability to dab. Yeah, but Unk, you got to understand how fast a boy is moving. I totally understand.

I understand. And then you got to split second to react. You got to split second to react. And being able to change the trajectory of whether it's making a hit or just, I don't know. I just have a feeling somebody's going to hurt themselves. Yeah, well, giving a choice to be me and them is going to be them every damn time. I'm just saying. I ain't hurting myself to save somebody else.

Right. Jets believe Nicole Hardman leaked game plans to the opponents out of spite. The Jets believe Hardman leaked the game plan to the Chiefs and the Eagles before their game in October. Lord forbid that quarterback is terrible. But anyway, it's being reported that they have validated beliefs that Harmon, frustrated by his lack of usage, leaked game plan to the opposition,

as implied by several players today, like Salt Gardner and Kenny Yable. Not just the Eagles game, but also the Chiefs. Ironically, if the Chiefs did leak the game plan, then it may have not worked too much because the Jets beat the Eagles. The Jets played their two best games, guess what?

Against the Eagles and the Chiefs. But anyway, we will keep on joking. New York and the Eagles, the only loss over the first level games, beating them 20-14. So we're going to disregard the quarterback that you guys have given permission to his agent to seek a trade. That's my dog. Oh, it wasn't him.

It was me Cole Hardman leaking that game plan. He's like, y'all got a quarterback. So whatever you might tell me, if I do what y'all tell me, I'm going gonna be wrong because i already know he can't throw anyway he can't read defenses anyway why am i don't listen to you he can't he can't he can't it's hard to read defenses when everybody on your ass soon you snap the ball but that's neither here nor there this don't really make no sense to me because when a team opposing team has a game plan and opposing team knows what you're doing

regardless it's 11 players on the field right when the ball snaps it's 1v1 outside of the tackle that most of the time has to deal with a double team coverage is coverage if you got one-on-one if you got cover three you got man-to-man and you got to win your individual battle so even if you know what i'm doing i still still got to beat you regardless. It shouldn't matter. It shouldn't matter. I don't, I'm not going to bring up the bullshit I used to do, but it shouldn't matter. I don't care if you have my game plan. I'm still going to whoop your ass when that motherfucking ball snap.

That mentality has to have, has to be in every single player in every single snap, no matter what. They watch film on you already. They know your tendencies already so they watch film for a week before you play all of a sudden them having the game plan is supposed to make that big of a difference when it got them footage on you the last four games before we play each other it shouldn't matter but but i'm trying to figure out ocho if he was upset with his usage how could he look the game plan he ain't on the field so what he turned the game so in other words he fact he faxed or emailed a game plan to the dcs of the opposing team obviously in kansas city he would have probably more connections so is that what you are accusing

him of doing right because look i get it if they get the playbook the tennessee titans ended up thieves they stole our playbooks the last time they stole Trent Dilfer's playbook. Now, if you get that quarterback playbook, that's a whole different ballgame. His playbook is a little different than ours. So if you get that, you can do a lot of things. I just look. But I tell you what, I think Nicole Harmon needs to stop talking. He went on the RC Ryan Clark's podcast, the pivot,

he Channing and Fred Taylor do a great job with their podcast. And he's talking about how he told Pat and Brett V to come get him. And then two weeks later, bro, you're doing too much. You caught the game winning touchdown. Maybe the jets are upset at that because you weren't catching anything in New York. It was, it was a disaster for both sides. You were unhappy. Whatever the case may be, the Jets didn't get what they thought.

You didn't get what you thought. But, bro, stop talking. Listen, listen, the man has a ring now. He has a ring now. And I think it's pretty cool, obviously, for him to be able to tell his story be able to tell his experiences experiences that we didn't know about you know about the troubles that he had in new york and obviously when all the stuff and again just back to the game plan stuff which was the basis or the topic we were talking about it just to me honestly it shouldn't matter it shouldn't matter because even if you know what i'm doing i'm gonna whoop your ass

at the snap of the ball that's just i'm just that's maybe my mindset maybe other people maybe want an advantage as far as the opponent not knowing what's coming or what you're doing but listen they watch film they study you all week long we know your tendencies when you line up you only change there's only certain things that change salad dress and different formation but all the plays is is basically it is what it is you ain't doing that much different my only thing is when he thumped that ball in buffalo why didn't y'all say this y'all started talking crazy when the man won the soup bowl right right i mean he phoned up with him remember you and i got all of them like mccall why are you trying to dive trying to dive trying to dive bro why are you trying to reach the ball

back in front of the ball blah blah blah so my thing is look just stop talking you you had look it didn't work out for you at the jets it didn't work out for them you got an opportunity to return home where you started your career and you're very fortunate you parlayed that into a super bowl so now you have three super bowls and you caught the game winning touchdown so you're going to be immortalizing kansas city lore for perpetuity. Forever. Just let it go. You don't have to talk about your time. I was frustrated and they promised me this and they did that. Bro, let it go. You won. You won.

You got an opportunity to return to Kansas City. You caught the game-winning touchdown from Pat Mahomes, the best quarterback of his generation. He has a great chance to be the greatest quarterback ever, and you caught the game-winning touchdown. Let it go. You won.

You know what I'm saying, Ojo? You won. Yeah, you're right. Can we get back on topic of my dude, Zach Wilson? Here we go. Jets give Zach permission to seek a trade. The Jets have given quarterback Zach Wilson permission to seek a trade. Unless the Jets are willing to pick up most of Zach Wilson's fully guaranteed

compensation package for 2024, the Jets will be stuck with him. They'll eventually cut him or keep him and pay him more than $5.4 million in 2024. Unless the Jets are willing to give someone else draft picks to take on the full $5.4 million, no one is going to touch that salary. Really, would you pay him for one year based on what you've seen through three? That question for you.

Yeah, you got that right. For one, part of the problem is all the untapped potential that Zach Wilson has has been wasted. Let's start there yeah that was the way to draft let's start okay go ahead again all the untapped all the untapped potential that is in Zach Wilson has been wasted in New York City and let me let me finish and the potential that he does have the Zach Wilson that I and others

that are fans of his are used to seeing when he was at BYU, would be put on display when he goes somewhere else. And at BYU. I heard what you just said. That's why I said wasted untapped potential in New York. Let me ask you a question. Which has happened to how many quarterbacks that have come through there? Let's name that.

Let's go through that. I mean, so let me ask you this. What makes you think that talent, you can get to that talent? There might be oil in my backyard, but if I can't get to it, what good is it? So he might have potential. He might have ability. But if you can't extrapolate it out of him what good is it well how can he extrapolate out of him because every time he had to hide the ball

he on his head so you couldn't do it either listen jesus himself god forgive me could have came down and been the quarterback for the jets this year and he would have flipped the table over like he did with the 12 disciples because there was no way he's going to get that ball off and i'm saying this in all respect as a christian man that got baptized but is wearing off i just oh joe i i i just hate i just hate that you you pin all your hopes and you put all your you put all you you put everything i I love him. I love him. I love Zach Wilson to death. And wherever he goes, wherever he goes,

I go, you've had plenty of girlfriends that you loved, but you realize they weren't any good for you or to you. And you let them go. At some point in time, you're going to have to come to that realization. Listen, but I'm also going to come to the realization,

all the quarterback that have come through New York, they always blame the quarterbacks. At no point are we going to turn around and look the person in the mirror. That's the real problem. And maybe it's the organization. Yeah. Maybe it's the organization. Because every quarterback. No, that's not it.

It ain't the quarterback all the time. Sometimes you got to take accountability sometimes women continue to date the same kind of man over and over and over knowing you know what he ain't no good you just made my point ocho they keep they keep selecting the same sorry type of dude the jets keep selecting the same sorry type of quarterback no no they don't know what to do with these individuals when they get them. And that's the problem. We'll get it up. That's the problem.

That's the best part about it. Because a lot of times we'll see guys go to other teams and we'll see. Right. So what happens if he goes to another? They normally excel. Stop. If he goes to another team, then what are you going to say? If it looks just like it did with the Jets, it's their fault.

He goes to another team and it looks like he did with the Jets and the team that he left and it looks like that with the third team. Then what are you going to say? It won't. That's the problem. It won't. It won't. And I guarantee you it won't. I put anything on that, it won't.

I put anything on that, it won't. You tell me what you want me to bet. You ain't paying me for the previous two bets. This is what I know. When teams believe that you are what you say you are, what you think you are, they will pick up that contract with no problem. And you know what? You know what the problem is?

You know what the problem is? Now, let's go back and look at film on the New York Jets. Let's look at film when Aaron Rodgers took snaps three or four. I'm not sure how many it was and was running for his life before he could even drop back. So we expected Zach Wilson to come into play and all of a sudden be the savior for the New York Jets. Aaron Rodgers,

he know damn well, he cannot have a slant or a stop on one side and go all the way back. That's what happens. He is too veteran, too seasoned of a quarterback to make a rookie bull jive mistake like he made. That was not the offensive line fault. That was Aaron Rodgers' fault. Go back and watch the tape.

He has the hitch. He has a hitch or a slant on one side, and he says, nope, it's not there, and he comes all the way back. You never do that. You either stay here, jump into the back, on the curl to check, or you throw it out of bounds. You don't work one side on a three-step and then come all the way back

because the guy on the back side, he cut because they don't know which side you're going to throw the ball to. All they know is a three-step drop. So one, two, three, I'm trying to get the D-end's hand down. So once I get his hand, I chop. I'm thinking he's throwing the ball. So what you think the guy's going to do? He's the D-end. I was like,

he ain't throwing. Well, let me go get him. Alright. Alright. We gonna see. We gonna see. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold,

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for not knowing the right of way. Some took offense to the Patrick Mahomes rule. Antonio Pierce laid out on Max Crosby podcast about how Raiders plan to defend Mahomes aggressively like the Pistons once did Michael Jordan. Former GM Mike Lombardi, who worked for the Raiders 98 through 2006, didn't like what Pierce had to say say lombardi said this guy's driving me crazy can he just shut up why won't somebody in the raiders tell him to shut up it's so can i ask you a question it's so comical because he's from compton he thinks he knows the rate away it's a joke take off all right let's talk about the way to rate. When Michael and Barney was there, right? What year was Michael and Barney there? From 98 to 2006. From 98 to 2006. How many... Were they a winning franchise during those times?

They got tuck ruled. And then the following year, they lost to Tampa in the Super Bowl. And they've kind of been on hard times since. Since then. So you have two winning seasons obviously almost making it tuck rule so okay lombardi has a little leverage to be able to say some of the things he said but i like time to change time to change the rate of way of old is long gone the rate of way of old

what antonio pierce has been able to do and what he's going to do with those players galvanizing around him allow that man to work allow him to work allow him to to lead or be the leaders of men that he is and do his thing because your way was 2000 2019 98 uh 96 and and and And Michael Lombardi's way wouldn't resonate with nobody in that locker room. I guarantee you that. First of all, I'm old enough to remember the Raiders' way. And the Raiders' way wouldn't work today's game

because the Raiders' way was party all night, do what the hell you wanted to do, just show up to the game and knock the hell out of the quarterback. And as long as you perform when they had Matuzak and they had Ben Davis and then they had Otis Siskrunk and they had L had Matuzak and they had Ben Davis and then they had Otis Sistrunk and they had Lyle Alzado and they had all those guys, it didn't matter.

And Al says, I don't care what you do. Just come knock the hell out of the quarterback on Sunday. So the Raiders way, the real Raiders way, would not work in today's game because you just can't turn them loose and say, okay, do whatever the hell you want. Just show up and win the game on Sunday. I see you talking about a head coach talking. Why ain't nobody

stepping up and told Jerry Jones to be quiet then? Why Mike Lombardi ain't say nothing about that? He worried about Antonio Pierce. Why? And all of a sudden, Antonio Pierce, who is now the head coach of the, I would almost say Oakland Raiders, the Las Vegas Raiders. Now he has to be quiet. Why?

Why? I mean, it's like. Man. Hold on. The Raiders booted his son Mick, which is Lombardi, who was serving as a team offensive coordinator until the team cleared house in the Josh McDaniels fire. Lombardi is still clearly salty, talking about how Pierce can evaluate a draft before he even participate in the first scouting combine as a head coach.

So we taking shots already? It appears like to me. So we taking shots already? It appears like to me. So we taking shots already? Okay. You know what that's about. Obviously a little salty. Obviously a little salty. Listen, rightfully so, I'd assume

based on the relationship, being a part of the Raiders at one point, now not having any dealings times have changed it's okay to move on sometimes a ex or woman will leave you no need to gripe no need to gripe just move on just move on because when they have success in Las Vegas and we're going to look back on some of the things Mike Lombardi said we're going to bring them up later on oh Oh, well, remember you said this? Oh, remember you said this?

And then you know what I'm going to say? Mike Lombardi stopped talking. Yeah, I don't have the problem. He's like, look, we have to make Patrick Mahomes feel us. We're too nice. We got to touch it. Every chance we get, push him down. We're not trying to injure nobody, but we want them to feel our

presence. Make them uncomfortable. There's nothing wrong with that. There is nothing wrong with what he said at all. I mean, it's just funny. I mean, look, everybody has a way of doing things, you know, but this works.

We'll see how it works in a full season, but clearly his team responded over the last several weeks to AP's coaching style, Antonio Pierce's coaching style. And it worked for them. Let's see if he can come in with a full camp, a full offseason, get getting some players in the draft. And let's see how this thing I'm rooting for. I hope he does well. I think we play. I think I don't know if I played against him.

I think I might have been gone by the time he was there. By the time, you know, when he got there. Because like you say, here we go. I really been retired for 20 years. So I think AP came a little after I left. I don't think he didn't play on that giants team that we played in the Superbowl. Um,

they had, uh, Michael barrel. Nah, nah, they have, but did they have barrel in Armstead? Michael barrel from the hurricanes.

I think they might've had Baron arms, but I don't, I don't think, I don't think AP was one of the linebackers. I think AP might've been on that. Oh team, the team that beat the Patriots. I think he might have been on those teams, but I don't think he was there in 2000. But I know Armstead was one of the linebackers. I don't know.

Michael Barron might have been one of the others, but I just remember that front line they had. They had Strahan and who else was on the other side? Damn, that's been so long. I don't remember nobody but Strahan and Seahorn. Seahorse. Yeah, Jason Seahorn.

It's been so long since I remember those guys. Hold on. Let me open this for real. Oh, yeah. He was on the Washington team. Nah me open this for real. Oh, yeah. Okay. He was on the Washington team. Nah, he came in 201. We played Washington. I was on the team that

we lost to Washington at Baltimore in 2000, so no, I missed it. He played a decade in the league. From 01 to 04, he played 01 to 04, he played with Washington football team, and from 05 to 09, he played with to 04. He played with Washington football team. And from 05 to 09, he played

with the Giants. So he missed that second. He missed that second Super Bowl. So he got the first one, missed the second one that the Giants beat New England in 2010 in Indy. So he played a decade. He played a decade, Ocho.

So congratulations to AP. At the end of the day, you got to find a way to motivate your team and whatever resonates and motivates your team and galvanize your team and gets them to play at their best level. That's what you do. You don't worry about well, this is the way he coaches his team.

That's the way he coaches his team. I got to worry about how I coach my team because I don't have those guys i've got these guys and these guys react to what i say not what that coach says and in the no disrespect to mr lombardi his coaching way or coaching style or the way he just does everything in general it wouldn't resonate in today's game, in today's players. It just wouldn't. It just wouldn't, which is why most of the owners realize that. And if you look around the league at some of the coaches,

you notice that everyone is much younger and not as old. Yeah, you got to be able to talk to these kids. Mm-hmm. I mean, it's a different time Ocho and I know and so for me although the money is fabulous it's fantastic with my mindset and the way I approach the game

it would be tough in today's game for me because the players it's about clicks it's about likes it's about this and it's about that and the only thing I gave a damn about was winning and i needed to be around guys that wanted to win and so look i mean i think they still want to i think i think they still want to and just you know being able to have a little balance and being able to adapt obviously into the social media era and i think one of the things that people are trying to brand themselves,

you know, when all you have to do, if you take care of yourself and take care of your business in between the lines and the hashes and playing ball and the brand will take care of itself off. People are trying to brand themselves. Man, I'm building a brand.

What about what type of, okay. Oh, Joe, you talk about you build a brand. What brand of football you play? Yeah. That's what matters. At the end of the day, Ocho, you talk about you building a brand. What brand of football are you playing? That's what matters at the end of the day. What brand of football? You playing, you winning?

Because the quickest way to build a brand is to start winning. Yeah. Obviously start winning as a team, but individual success will get you all you want. You got to be good, really good at what you do, and you'll be fine. Everything else will take care of itself. I mean, you didn't hear about

Brady. Brady didn't say nothing. You didn't hear Brady mention nothing about no TB12 until he got about four or five Super Bowls on his belt. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And you didn't hear nothing about no Omaha until Peyton Manning had done one and won Super Bowls and did all that stuff. Now, Pat, I don't know what... Real!

Man, Real, you put your lips on him, he gonna crawl up and die somewhere, Real. Oh, don't do that. Yeah, I just met her two weeks ago. Who, Real? You know what you do, Ocho? You see Real walking by.

Whoa! Whoa! Hold on. Come back in there, Real. Hey, see Rail walking by. Oh, whoa, whoa, hold on. Come back here, Rail. Hey, I know that thing. That was a 2019. So I know what you paid for that one because I got one too. Nah. I ain't paying for that, boy.

You know I be scamming. Nah, you ain't scamming. They came out. They got a new color. They got that gold and they got that black. Nah, I think that's the extra large. I'm telling you, that bag was released in 2019. You're down right, I know.

Yeah, yeah. You know, during the holidays, I had a little part-time job at Chanel over in Midtown in the design district. That bag going for somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000 right now. And you got an aftermarket. Who do you think? Who? Not me. I know what

she said. She said, look what he got me. Let me ask you. Let's go back to a few shows ago. And I told you I was the leader of the Yahoo boys. You already know how we you probably don't know who that is, but

I'm Hush Puppy Jr. So I'm going to leave it at that. We can go on the show. All I said is I know what that bag calls. As long as you know that I know and you know that I know that you know that I know. Yeah, and I told you I'm also a scammer.

You can't scam that one. Hey, I'm going to pull mine out. I'm going to show you mine. I got one. Wait, what you got one too? I had to take it back. I had to take it back.

I had to take it back. I had to take it back on show. I had to take it back. I had to take it back. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. You took it back? Yeah, I mean, you know.

What she did wrong? You know what? I was thinking about getting it to my daughter, but that might be too much for her. Yeah, that's too much. Too much. Too much. Especially for that age.

I mean, even though she is grown, but that kind of bag, that's a stepper. You got to be a stepper. Somebody's going to smash my daughter's arm off. I got to give her something that she'll let it go because my daughter's going to fight. My daddy gave me this bag. Listen, that's a good story, though. You know, I mean, obviously, if you're paying $15,000, $20,000 for a bag and things don't work out like there's some things

I'm going to need back from you mama There's something cuz what you're not gonna do is be on your next date with the bag I bought for you that no no No, no, no, no, mama. You we not doing that. We not doing that We know I know women don't even like Indian give us but everybody sent it everybody anything Anything over $10,000. I do take it back. Oh Joe You took yours back why can't take000. You gonna take it back, Ocho? You took yours back. Why can't you take mine? I didn't give it to her. I was gonna give it.

Oh, but you... Me, she missed out on that? And you still got it? Oh, so... Hey, I'm gonna find you somebody special you can give it to. You gonna find me somebody on eBay that's willing to buy it? That's what you gonna find me something on ebay that's willing to buy it that's what you gonna find hey the fact that you still got

that bag and things didn't work out you just held on to it it's good listen and you know the good thing about it is those bags appreciate no matter what they appreciate no matter what I'm Michael appreciate no matter what. They appreciate no matter what. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming.

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