Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Nico Harrison on Luka trade, Mavs Blowout Kings, Nikola Jokic average triple-double for season

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the best hoops stories of the week, including Nico Harrison having no regrets trading Luka, the Mavs dominating the Kings, Nikola Jokić becoming the 3rd NBA player to average a triple-double for a season, & much more!04:45 - Warriors, Rockets in Playoff Showdown!10:00 - Mavs domination over Kings22:35 - Nico Harrison on trade28:44 - Suns fire Budenholzer42:23 - Ice Cube joins the show to talk hoops54:18 - Nikola Jokic average triple-double for season(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The seven seed Warriors are favored over the Rockets to win the series per DraftKings. The Warriors are minus 190. The Rockets are plus 155. Are the Warriors a lot to beat the Rockets? I'm not sure if they're a lot. Now, we're going off experience. Then, obviously, you know, they got Houston on that.

Houston got youth on their side, and they got to use the advantage, man. They got to make them guys work. But, you know, when you got guys like Jimmy Bullen, Draymond Green, and obviously, you know, Steph Curry, it's going to be tough to beat them, man. They got them role players around them playing great basketball. So that's going to be an interesting series. A lot of series I'm looking forward to. And their Rockets and Golden State is going to be one for the ages.

Yeah. But the thing that concerns me about the Rockets, who's your go-to guy? Right. They haven't been in this. The Warriors have been in these situations. Steph knows what it's like to play championship basketball, to get ready to win a title. Draymond has been there.

He knows what it's like. Jimmy Butler hadn't won, but he's taking team to the NBA Finals. He knows what it's like. And they're role players. Now, I don't know what's going on. Kamingo didn't really play. Moody got the assignment. So it's going to be very, very interesting

because you play with a team that understands what these moments are about and what they're like versus a team that's extremely athletic. Excuse me. Smith, and you got Dylan Brooks, and you got Jalen Green. You got Van Fleet. You got Al Sengun.

He's for real. Draymond's going to have his hands down with him now. And them boys playing, them Rockets, they playing hard, man. You know, in there, you don't, you don't, he going to have them ready now. They ain't going to be scared of nothing. No, they're going to come out and compete. You know, I think the fact, I think the fact that they are young, Joe,

is why you can't, you can't have them as a lot. They play on both ends of the court. And I think the pressure for them, especially when you're that young, you're just out there playing basketball. You're just out there playing basketball. You're just out there having fun and doing what you need to do. And I think they have the Warriors to win, obviously, not only because of Steph, but because of the experience.

They've already been there before. But it's going to be a good series, a very, very good series. They got a whole... It's going to 7-2 now. But, Joe, they got a whole serve at home. Yeah, talking about the Rockets. The Rockets got a whole serve.

They do. Because that's going to be the confidence booster. If you can win the first two games at home, and then have to travel to, you know, Golden State to, you know, to try to get a win. But, man, I just like the Young Rockets team. They play hard. They're fearless.

And, you know, they know what it's like to play the Warriors. And because they played them pretty well this year. Yeah. Hey, Joe, if they come out the gate in general and win the first two games at home, well, it can get spooky. It can get spooky. The one thing about the Warriors,

the Warriors won't panic, though, because they've been here. I remember a couple years ago, they went down to Sacramento, and they had to go to Sacramento and win Game 7, and Steph Curry had one of the great all-time performances. He dropped 50 on them in a game seven.

So the Warriors would not look. You lose the first two games on the road. All they did was hold serve at home. The series doesn't start until the road team wins a game. So all Houston would have done is protect their home. They did not let the Warriors come in and

invade their territory so we kept them at bay now can we make an advancement into their territory by stealing a game at home now Rockets are saying all we got to do is just hold serve at home if we went all for at home we advance the Warriors are saying we got to get we got to find a way to get one all we got to do is get if we went all four at home, we advance. The Warriors are saying we got to find a way to get one. All we got to do is get one at home. Get one on the road. And we like our chance. And I think that first game for the Warriors

will be probably one of the best games for them to get because their young team in Houston, having to understand you're the two seed, you're the one being hunted. Like, you got to understand and know how to protect that. And you can't wait to see what the intensity is going to be like before you have to rev it up. Like, go to state.

They're going to already know. So, they know. Yeah, the Rockets, they cannot lose on their home floor. They got to protect the house. And I think it's going to be a hell of a series. Yeah. Golden State said, we already played a playoff game. We beat Memphis. Even

though it doesn't go towards anything, but that was a playoff type atmosphere because, hey, the one thing we didn't want to do was fall and now we're out. So, hey, let's just go ahead and make a life of ourselves. And plus, I think they like their chances better against the Rockets than they do.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Hey, listen, listen. I think they definitely will take the Rockets because, you know, they know and understand the moment and they know that the Rockets will be a little inexperienced, even though they're going to play hard and they're definitely going to make it competitive.

But, you know, the Rockets definitely got the, I mean, the Warriors definitely got the team who I think they were seeking out to get in the playoffs. Mavs beat the Kings 120-106. A.D. and Klay combined for 50 points. As the Mavs blow out the Kings, the game really wasn't that close at any point in time. I mean, 14 points.

At one point in time, they had it up as many as 24 points. Joe, I'm going to ask you this. Did tonight win redeem Nico Harrison? Does the Mavericks fans say, you know what? AD ain't that bad after all. He gave us, what'd he give us? 27, 9, 3 blocks of assists to steal. Plus 10 and a plus minus.

27, 9, and 3. 27-9-3. We can live with that. It's all well and dallas after they advance to face the Memphis Grizzlies for a chance to be the eighth seed and face the OKC Thunder. I don't think it's all well and dallas. It was a good performance by AD. But I kind of feel like the Mavericks, they're going to get cheated this year, man. They don't have Kyrie, you know,

without an ACL injury, and you know at some point, even maybe next game, they need guys like him who can take over, create havoc on offense, and put guys in the right position. So, I think it's going to be tough, man. They still got their work cut out. They got to play

against Memphis in Memphis, right? Memphis can't lose that game, man. That's going their work cut out. They got to play against Memphis in Memphis, right? Memphis can't lose that game, man. That's going to be a good one. But let me ask you this. Are you concerned about the health of Ja? Now, we saw him hurt that ankle. He stayed out for a significant amount of time.

He tried to come back in, but you know you've probably had that injury where you go to shoot a shot, you land on someone's foot, ankle, you roll your ankle. How sore is he going to be? Is there enough time between they played last night, you had Thursday off, and you have tomorrow off, and then you'll play on Friday? Yeah, he young.

He going to heal up quick. You know, if it was me and you having a square ankle, it's going to take us about three weeks to a month to get back. He's going to bounce right back. He's going to be ready to go. He understands the moment, I think. And knowing that it's in Memphis, I'm sure he's not going to want to let them fans down.

So, I expect John to put on a show, man. Ocho, this game, Dallas Mavericks, they win 120-106. Anthony Davis, I mean, they got contributions everywhere. AD had 27. P.J. Washington had 17. Klay had 23. This is why they got Klay. Off the bench, Dante Exum had 11.

Brandon Williams had 17 in 18 minutes. 5 of 6 from the 4. 3 of 4 from the 3-point line. 4 of 4 from the free-throw line. The bench was very, very good for the Dallas Mavericks to overcome. DeMar DeRozan had 33. Zach Levine had a quiet 20. They didn't get the kind of production they normally get from the Broners.

He only had 11, 13, and 5, but he's normally somewhere around 17, 18. Give you that, and they needed that tonight. But Dallas go on the road to Sacramento and win this game. Ocho, what did you like about what you saw from Dallas? I mean, this is exactly what you expected them to do. This is exactly what you expected them to do. Obviously, the fans have been mad about the trade and AD coming and Luka leaving. Luka coming in, trying to remind you why I should have stayed.

But all this is for the Dallas fans and the organization for the Mavericks as well as you put a Band-A on the gash. That's all it is. This is what you're supposed to do to Sacramento. So what you're going to see is later on down the line, when it comes time for a seven-game series, things are going to be a little different. You don't have Kyrie. He's hurt. Most of the bulk of everything is going to be on 80. They have to be a score, a 30, a 32, a 35, to be able to lead that team to another series, which Luke was able to do with Kyrie. I don't think he's going to be able to do it. Yeah, you definitely need, and Joe, you can speak to this. In the playoffs, you need a guy that you can put the ball in his hands

and he can go get you a play. And it's nice to have that as a guard because you don't have to get him the ball. He can can put the ball in his hands and he can go get you and it's nice to have that as a guard because you don't have to get him the ball he can come get the ball bring it up and kairi can describe kairi can get his shot from anywhere he can finish in the paint given that he's not an above the rim player but his layup package and his ability to handle and create a shot for himself or someone else is second to none. Yeah. So to that, what's going on the road now, you look at Memphis.

They got Triple J, who did not have a great performance the other night. Job was good. Desmond Bain played unbelievable. Pippen Jr. played really well. What does Dallas have to do to go in and to create a similar performance to what they had tonight? Hey, he's going to have to be dominant. He's going to have to be dominant, man. He's going to have to put up big numbers in order for them to win.

I know they pretty much played by committee. You know, Klay got off to a pretty good start tonight. You know, he's trying to borrow really well. But they definitely, they got guys who can put up numbers now. They got guys coming off their bench who can definitely chip in and help. But I think with their size, they're going to give Memphis some problems. Midwell, though. That's why AD is able to kind of roam because he got Lively and Gaffer down there to kind of clog up the paint.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And he gets to play when Lively is on the floor. He always gets to play. For the most part, he gets to play the floor, which he loves to play. Because when you have Lively, you bring in a Daniel Gafford. You're right. They're a big team.

You look at P.J. Washington. He goes about 6'8". Lively goes about 6'11", 7 foot. A.D. goes 6'10". Daniel Gafford, 6'9", 6'10". This is a very, very big ball club. And so the front line, and they challenge a lot of shots. They had eight blocks tonight.

AD had three. Gafford had two. And so you know nothing. Hey, it's simple philosophy to play off nothing cheap. Nothing easy. You coming to play? I got to put you down. I'm sorry.

But Memphis got J.J. and Big Eden down there. You know, they're going to cause some havoc as well. But I do expect Ja to really put on a pretty good performance because they're going to need him. They're going to need his leadership, you know, definitely on the court for them to be able to continue.

And whoever wins the game, I don't think I'll get a whole KC. That's your prize, huh? You're going to get a whole KC and you're going to be in for a fight what hey yeah are you surprised that spencer dinwiddie who's been a major contributor he only got two minutes of mop-up duty tonight i was surprised they went with xm as opposed to spencer dinwiddie what is it that you think jay's kid saw that he says you what, the minutes that we normally give Dinwiddie, we're

going to give those minutes to Exum because he played 19 minutes and he had 11 points, 4-4, 1-1 from the three-point line, and both of his free throws had three rebounds, had what, six

assists? He brings good energy, he brings good energy to the table. I think Denwood is more of an offensive threat. And Edgman. Yes. Edgman going to come in and he going to be more of an edge factor. He's going to play hard defensively. He going to knock down the shots if he opens, especially in that corner.

So I think he probably just leaned a little more on Edgman probably because he had a little bit more confidence in him tonight. And plus, he's looking to get everybody involved as opposed to Spencer Dinwiddie looking to get his car. Yeah, Dinwiddie trying to get into his bag. Yeah, he's... Dinwiddie said, I'm playing for a contract, bro. Keep it a buck with you.

I'm trying to get this contract. You're right. I think the thing is with Edie, look, he reminds... I think the thing is with Edie, look, he reminds – I think the thing is when you look at Memphis, when they were at their best, they had – what's the guy – what's the big guy they had? He just traded into Houston.

Adams. Steven Adams. Yeah, big Steven Adams. Yeah. Job was tremendous in the pick and roll. He gave the –ams gave them extra opportunities zach eddie can do that but but but zach is gonna have to be he's gonna have to be a little bit more active because i think he's a better offensive weapon he was player of the year no matter what

you think of him his game college game compared to the nba he was a player of the year he wasn't all-american and so he has the offensive skills. Now, it's not him shooting threes, but around the rim, I'm not so sure they run a whole lot of plays for him. He's not a guy that you run, hey, you want 14 points? Get it off the rim.

You like to get it off the rim. The thing is, we're having him on the floor. They're going to keep him in pick and rolls. You know what I mean? Because he's probably going to play back a lot of the times. He's not going to be up to the pick. And for the guards, you know, that's definitely essential for them trying to get to the basket and just create opportunities for everybody on the squad.

That's where Kyrie would be extra beneficial. Because you put E.D. in the pick and roll, and you know he doesn't want to hedge, and he doesn't have the lateral quickness, or to be able to drop back. So Kyrie, like, oh, yeah. And Shaq would say, jumpers, floaters, passes.

It'll be a pretty sad to see. But like I said said they got other guys in their team who are capable of uh having a big night so even winning you a game in the playoffs and that's what you need yeah nick marshall did a lot of having the ball tonight they let clay bring it up early but nick marshall was really in charge uh i thought xm coming in gave him a boost of energy as you mentioned mentioned. Brandon Williams was sensational. He was absolutely sensational. 17 points in 18 minutes.

He got it and got it going early. And a lead that was like 8-9 all of a sudden became 18-19-20. Yeah. What's his name? Najee. Oh, Najee Marshall. My bad. Najee Marshall. I thought you was talking about Brandon Williams I'm like I'm seeing Williams uh Najee Marshall uh he did a lot of ball handling but he's not he's not a natural point guard he's not a natural facilitator and I think that gets a lot of teams because oh

he can handle the ball just because you can handle the ball doesn't mean you can run an offense. And I think we saw that with the Phoenix Suns because Booker, yeah, Book can handle the ball, but Book is a dude. You go back and look at the Suns and study them, they work best when?

When they had CP3. And get everybody, hey, Katie, you can get that shot right there. Hey, Book, you can get this right here. Stop pretending just because somebody can handle the ball

they can run an offense. Those are different things. Handling the ball, running an offense. It's just like a quarterback, Ocho. Hey, he can throw the ball, but can't he run an offense?

Nah. Go ahead, Ocho. What'd you want to say? I just came back from using... Watch me. Watch your head? Yeah, my bad.

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is that Nico Harrison and the Mavs continue to make some worse PR decisions imaginable. Nico said he has no regret in the Luka trade. When you look at this trade, we targeted AD. With our philosophy of defense wins championships, we wanted a two-way player that could lead our team, and that was Anthony Davis. Everyone's going to have the criticism, and I'm not sure what Mark Cuban said, but that's a better question left for him. But we got what we wanted. My obligation is to the Dallas Mavericks.

It's what's best interest of the Dallas Mavericks. What? And that's what's the most important thing. Some of these decisions are going to be unpopular, maybe to Durkin, maybe to some fans. But my obligation is to the Dallas Mavericks. Is he trolling at this point?

No, but actually he should stop talking about it. He's making it worse. I'm not sure what his angle is. I'm not sure what it is. For the betterment of the future of the Dallas Mavericks, you want to make the right decisions long term. Letting Luka Doncic go to the Lakers is not making the right decisions by the fans or the Dallas Mavericks, you want to make the right decisions long term. Letting Luka Doncic

go to the Lakers is not making the right decisions by the fans or the Dallas Mavericks on his organization. Now, I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with AD, but I mean,

when you talk about longevity and wanting to keep your job based on the decisions that you make for the betterment of the team, it would have been keeping Luka there.

But that's not his, but at the end of the day that's not his call. That's ownership's call. And the Dumont family said okay. Mark Cuban just tweeted. What did he tweet? He called him stupid or something. I guarantee you.

He said Dirk is the dollar is the dallas maverick they're not forever no one should ever forget that that statue will forever will be here forever loyalty never fades tomorrow night 15 guys will put on a maverick uniform and they'll do everything they can to win for themselves each, and the fans. Our squad busted their, you know what, fight through incredible adversity. They have my respect and support. Should have everyone's. I'm a Mavs fan. I'll always love and cheer for everyone who puts on our uniform.

Tomorrow night and however many games we have left in this season and ever in the future, whether I'm in the stands or in front of the TV or following every play online. My heart and soul is committed to rooting for our Mavs to win. That will never change. I know fans are upset, but don't be upset at the players. Support them. Root for them. Rally behind them. I don't know what M-M, what is that?

Okay, well, what Ash said. I don't know what MM what is that okay well we'll ask there Mavs fans for life hashtag Mavs fans for life

man that was that was so PC I thought he I thought he gave some you know truth on based on the decisions that was made he called he called he's upset I thought he gave some, you know, truth based on the decisions that was made.

What about Dennis? Look. He's upset because Nico called out Dirk. Maybe Dirk is upset. Oh, okay. Maybe the fans are upset. And he's looking at it like, bro, if you're a part of it, you know. Dirk ain't just, it's kind of like, Ocho, it's kind of like if you were to call out somebody from Cincinnati.

Yes, sir. Or when I call out somebody from the Broncos or the Ravens, it's a little different. We played there. People still remember, you know, your number 85 is up. My number 84 is up. People remember what I did in Baltimore.

So it's a little different. Right, when it comes from you. And somebody else criticizing a guy that played here. Right. Okay. Like you said, Dirk is little different. Right, when it comes from you. And somebody else criticizing a guy that played here. Right. Okay. Like you said, Dirk is a legend. Right. 20 seasons?

20 seasons or 21? 20 seasons. Same uniform, never left. Had an opportunity to land, get bigger paydays. He said, no, this is my home. And so, Nico, my recommendation. 21. Yes, Ocho, just let it go.

Fans are going to be upset. Fans are going to be upset. Yeah. And especially because it's still so fresh. Yeah. Time. Let time pass and, you know, you'll be okay. But don't mention it anymore.

You're not going to make these fans forget. And no matter how much you say you wanted Anthony Davis, you targeted Anthony Davis, and we want to be a two-way team, a defense win championships, fans ain't really trying to hear that. They ain't trying to hear that, man. You gave a guy away. You traded a guy that was there he came there at 18 Dallas was all he knew yeah those fans Luca is all they knew and now they don't have him

anymore and we know what he does on the court I don't care nothing about all that other stuff and you say at some point the fans will forget. They will never forget because there's a type of player that the Lakers got. They understand. Luka will always remind them, Dallas, Nico Collins, and the owners on what they did based on his play in L.A. And they're going to always resent that because he's going to be the superstar that they had. He's going to always remind them, this is what you let go every single year in every game that he had like he had that game when he went back he dropped 45 and a fool like that that should have been that she should

have been dropping that 45 on the lakers for us you saw the other night he had 39 against the houston i think the rockets and he didn't play the fourth quarter. So when you see him go off for those type of performances, you're like, what are we doing? And AD, look, AD is a phenomenal player. AD is an all-75 player. He's been an all-NBA selection. He's been an all-star.

He's been an all-star game MVP. He's won a title. He's not Fettuccine, but he's not Luka. Not. Phoenix Sun fired Budenholzer. The Suns became the third team in NBA history to start the season 8-1 or better and missed the playoff. They joined the 1970 Detroit Pistons and the 2001-02 Milwaukee Bucks. KD is looking to leave the Suns.

Ocho, who should be held accountable for the Suns' failure? You look at before KD got there, were the Suns playing well? Were they failing before KD got there? Prior to he got there, they was in the NBA Finals. NBA Finals finals when they lost to in 21 they lost to the Bucks and

in the NBA finals and then they lost in the what they beat the Clippers one year without the year they went to the finals the next year they beat the Lakers and then they the year they went to the finals.

The next year they beat the Lakers. And then they lose to the Suns. I mean, the Nuggets. They lost to Luka. To Dallas? They were the number one seed. They ended up losing to Luka. You know what? When it comes down to it, I'm assuming you can some of the blame does go go on the player some of the blame can't go on

kevin durant i'm not sure how much of it you can put on one individual player when collectively obviously there is a group of five that have to play and have to gel together you think obviously when you have these super teams where bradal and Devin Booker and Kevin Durant coming together, you expect the results obviously showing the court. Obviously, the match racing, it didn't work.

The relationship between him and Boone, how do you say the coach's name? Boonehozer. Boonehozer. Obviously, things didn't work, especially the way it started out. It started out really good,

obviously 8-1, but, you know, not making the playoffs or playing, for that matter. I mean, it's it's horrible everybody has to be held accountable obviously most of the most of the uh the criticism and the critiquing will go to the superstar players especially one of the greatest scorers of all time so i guess he can he can he can he can he can take that criticism obviously them not making the playoffs he's he playoffs, he would be a part of the problem

if he wasn't part of the goddamn solution, for that matter. I mean, this is the fourth coach in four years. They fired Monte Williams. They fired the Lakers coach. Vogel. Who's in Vogel? Vogel. They fired Bud.

They fired Bud. They fired Bud. Yeah. They're about to be on their fourth coaches. Now, Bud got three more years at $10 million. Vogel had several years at like $8 million. And I know Mike has tons of money, but you got to stay the course a little longer than a year.

Yeah, but that's the problem. When it comes to people, when it comes to owners, obviously, in life, in life, the way they fix things, most of the time, when you see a pattern like this, where you keep firing coach after coach

after coach after coach, it's sometimes you just throw money at it and you think it fixed the problem. That's how it works in the business world. you keep firing coach after coach after coach after coach is sometimes you just throw money at it and you think it fixed the problem that's how it works in the business world when it comes to the sports world you throw your money at it and then you allow a time to manifest you let it marinate for a little bit until they're in jail until it all works out i believe all i think the only player that's going to be there is devin booker. He's the player that started there. I think KD's going to be gone.

Bradley Bill's going to be gone. Bradley Bill's a little bit more tougher than KD, for the simple fact Bradley Bill has no trade clause. So he has to sign off on where you're going to send him. KD, there are going to be a lot of teams, but you've got to replace what you gave up. Yeah. You gave up a bunch of first-round picks and players.

You're saying replace. You will never get the value of what you got for KD, but you can get something. Yeah, well, you've got to refill the coffers up. You've got to get draft capital back. Right. It's tough, man uh it's tough man it's tough because kd played for now he came half the year with money they fired money after the season hired vogel fired vogel hired uh buddenhoser fired him now they're about to be on their fourth coach but but KD won't be there up under him.

I think Book stays. I think Book is the only piece that stays. They're going to try to move. But that's what happens. People just think it's more to building a team that's putting three guys

that can put the ball in the basket. And that's what everybody say. Just, oh, oh, KD. Oh, Book, man. KD going to get you 27. Book going to get you 27. Bradley Bill going to get you 27. Okay, that's you 27. Bradley Beal going to get you 27.

Okay, that's fine, well and good. Until they don't do that. Because they don't fit. The pieces don't fit, Ojo. And, you know, when you think about it, obviously, you say those names. You say those names and understanding what they can do. You know, being able to score at all three levels, put the ball on the floor, catch and shoot, pop and shoot, whatever it may be.

I'm thinking, well, hell. man, they finna be, boy, they gonna be animals. They gonna be animals. If you put Chase, Jefferson, and Tyreek all on the same team, you got one ball. Hey. One ball. Hey, listen, just the thought of that. Yeah. Just the thought of that. Yeah. Just the thought of that.

Strike up the band. And see, you look at the Patriots, the pieces always fit. One guy got a lot of, mostly the catches, and then everybody fit in after that. You get KD, who's KD. He's an MVP, finals MVP, four-time scoring champ. Okay, he really doesn't need the ball. Bradley, Bill, and Booker, they need the ball.

But what they needed, see, they shifted Book to the point. He can play it, but Book's a two. He don't need to be initiating the offense. If you look at Book, he had his best years. He had CP3. CP3 was a facilitator. CP3 knew how to get everybody where they wanted the ball, where they needed the ball

to be the most impacted. But when you have all this, you got $150 million in payroll with three guys. Ocho, something got to go. You got this big fancy house. You buy a big fancy house and you on a budget well guess what

be like O'Shella Sharp ain't had nothing but a TV and then a bed in the bedroom come to the house you'll be sitting on the floor like Indian style that's all I got for you that's what I had I overextended myself

I got a house That was outside of my budget So It wasn't no sense of me Going more over budget And putting furniture A whole bunch of furniture in there I got a bed

And I got a TV That's it Let me tell you how long Go this been Ocho I know you didn't know this But Mitsubishi Used to make TV I remember that

I had a Mitsubishi Uh uh Yeah Sure did Got a Mitsubishi. Yeah. Sure did. Got a Mitsubishi. Yep. I ain't heard that in a long time either.

It was a tube. It was a tube TV. You know, I ain't had the money to put it on. You know, back then, yeah. With the knobs.

TV that went on the wall with $10,000, $15,000, $20,000, baby. I said, oh, no. Listen. Put this thing up on a chair. I the knobs. TVs that went on the wall with $10,000, $15,000, $20,000, baby. I said, oh, no. Put this thing up on a chair. I can see. Because you know, we put it on a chair, phone,

but we had a little TV. Or you had the big phone model. That's what they call them. Yeah, we put our TVs, obviously, at Grandma's place. We had the crates. Remember the crates? The crates that the milk came in?

Yeah, yeah. Milk crates. Yeah, milk crates. We put ours right on the crate. Oh,ates that the milk came in? Yeah, yeah. Milk crates. Yeah, milk crates. We put all, we put all right on the crate. Oh, you had a floor model TV, Ochoa. Yeah. Floor model TV.

Oh, that was big. Might show the picture. Yeah, but it had no sound. Right. The little one had the sound. See how we do that, Ochoa? See how we did that right there? Get us all one more floor model TV.

Y'all remember Sony, Sylvania, Zenith? Hey, Zenith. Hey, Zenith! My grandma had the big Zenith in her room. RCA. Remember the RCA with the megaphone with the dog? Yeah! Hey, that's so bad. Hold on.

I bet you remember the satellites, though. The big satellites in your yard. Yes, yes. My granddaddy had one with the big old satellite. Yes. Yes. I remember that like yesterday. But it's because, because i mean if you go back and look at the beginning of the year the uh the sons were 20 to 1 odds to win the nba title they had better odds than everybody damn near everybody except probably uh boston yeah wow that's crazy. Man.

It's just, it's a bad, it's a, I don't know. But where does KD go? Miami. Because you know I'm always saying Miami. Now, obviously, you're going to have to give. What are y'all going to give up to get him? I don't know. That's up to Pat Riley and Mickey Harrison.

I'm not sure what that looks like. But as long as we keep Bam, we going to be all right, I think. And finding some other pieces that we can get from somewhere else, we got to have some. But I'm just, I think it would be great.

It would be a great place. I think KD might have a house down here. I'm not sure. I've seen him down here numerous times. Man, you got that kind of money, you got a house everywhere. Yeah, but, hey, listen, KD do, do credit do it quite well for him

yeah yeah i just i just listen i we need a star we need to do what the lakers do always find a way to pull one out our i'm getting ready to curse i'm not gonna curse pull one out our hat we need to do that pat riley used to do that just to get just if you have you seen the attendance at the games on it's not it's not what? It's not what it should be. First of all, they don't come till late anyway. Y'all don't be there to talk. Look, I done been to Miami Heat games. I went for the championship game.

And at the start of the game, I'm like, well, damn. Do y'all really know this is the NBA finals? Yeah, you right. You right. You right. And remember, they was leaving in that game six before Ray hit the shot. Hell happened. And Rita had him. Yeah, and they tried in that game six before Ray hit the shot. Hell happened. And Rita had him.

Yeah, and they tried to come running back in. Tried to come back in. Nah. No, that ain't going to happen. I'm trying to say, first of all, there are only a handful of teams that have the draft capital that they're going to need to get KD. And the question is, are they willing to break it up?

OKC has the capital. Who? OKC Thunder. They got like 13 first round picks. Can you imagine? Can you imagine SGA and Kevin Durant? Yeah. We said the same thing about Devin Booker and Kevin Durant.

There you go. We said that. We said the same thing about James Harden and Joel Embiid. Right. Can you imagine? Now, James Harden and Joel Embiid. Right. Can you imagine? Now, James Harden has found the fountain of youth. He looked like the James Harden of old. Yes.

That he does. Kawhi, Kawhi's got those knees healthy. He looks phenomenal. I just, I don't, KD doesn't strike me as a guy that, that, that, that lives with regret or looks back on, but probably maybe a better move would probably be going to the Knicks. Hey,

like you should have done the first time instead of, instead of going to Brooklyn. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Maybe going to the Knicks from the jump. Oh, I don't know. It's too late.

Too late now. They might be right. They might be an option. I don't, I don't know. I'm just saying. Instead of going to Brooklyn, maybe go to the Knicks. Maybe things would have been different.

We'll never know. We'll never know. We just know this has gone horribly wrong. There's no way around it. Look, we don't have to blame anybody. But we can say this unequivocally. This was terrible. Yeah, it was.

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by the score of 121-126. This game was really, really close. So now the Warriors advance. They're the seventh seed and they take on the Rockets. That game probably will start Sunday. Q, watching this game, what did you like about what you saw from the Warriors? Damn that, man. I heard that Raiders shot.

I'm the president of the Raider Nation. Always remember that, okay? All right. Now, getting to this game, we knew what was going to happen. It was close. But we know, you know, Steph is, you know, the man. And proved it once again, hitting big shots, big moments, Warriors advance. You know, we knew what was going to happen.

I thought the game would have been a lot. You know what? It would have been interesting to see Q or Ocho had Ja not tweaked that angle. You know, he goes up for the shot. He comes down on the guy's ankle, and he came back in the game late, but he wasn't Ja. Desmond Bain was unbelievable. He kept them close, big threes, stealing the ball, doing a lot of good things.

Triple J played an outstanding game. But I just thought if Ja has stayed in there, it would have been interesting to see. We never know. Who knows? Maybe Steph goes crazy and he goes instead of 37-38, he goes for 50. Right. But it was a good game. It's what we expected it to be.

This is the first time the Warriors have actually gotten out of the play-in. They had been 0-3, so now they're 1-4 in the play-in tournament. Ocho, what'd you like about what you saw? Listen, I enjoyed the game to its fullest. I probably thought that the Warriors were going to come out and be victorious in the win. Obviously, playoff Jimmy, as he's

known to be called, showed up. Play-in Jimmy. Okay, you're right. Play-in Jimmy. Listen, he had too many ones to have. He came up and he showed out. Steph Curry did what he did, ending the game with 37. But I think the game might have been different, even though it was close. But if we got a jaw that wasn't injured and didn't mess up his ankle

towards the end of the game, you know, Devin Bain did what he did to keep him close. But obviously, Steph Curry coming in clutch towards the end of the game, and it is what it is. Yeah. I mean, look, this is the Warriors' the game, and it is what it is. Yeah. I mean, look, this is the Warriors' time of year. We know what they're capable of doing. It's amazing to me that they haven't gotten out of the playing cube

considering all that championship game pedigree. All the time they've been in NBA finals, they've been in Western Conference finals, they've had tough ball games, but for whatever reason, it's hard for them to get out of the play-in. If I'm not mistaken, I think they lost to the Lakers, lost to the Lakers, lost to the Grizz, but they haven't been what

we thought they would be, especially in the play-in. So now they get an opportunity to advance. They're the number seven seed. They take on the Houston Rockets. The second-best record in the Western Conference, but this is a young team that's not really battle-tested, Q. How do you see this matchup shaping out between the Rockets and the Warriors?

Well, you know, the Warriors got that pedigree. They know what it takes. You know, Rockets are scrappy. You know, their defense, they all over the court. You know what I mean? They running, they gunning, dunking, they shooting, they kind of doing it all. But, you know, they're all different animals. You know, you're playing the same team over and over again.

They get a chance to lock in on you. You get a chance to lock in on you. You get a chance to lock in on them. And, you know, in basketball, by the third game, you know all the moves they got. They know all the moves you got. And it's just a will to win. And so the Warriors are battle-tested. They got that will to win.

Even though I like the Rockets' young scrappy team, I just think the Warriors got everything it takes with Draymond and Jimmy as hungry as ever. So I expect the Warriors to come out of that. Well, you mentioned you're

the, what did you say, the godfather of the nation. President of the nation. So what are you with the Lakers? Are you the godfather Raider Nation. So what are you with the Lakers? Are you the Godfather of the Lakers? What are you for the Lakers? Oh, man, you know, the Lakers, I mean, I haven't put a name on it. You know, it's something greater than love.

You're the mayor of Lakerville. I've been a big fan, man, since I was knee-high to a horsefly. And so, it's just really all about seeing them gel, you know. Do they have enough time to gel

to go all the way? We'll see. You know, they got a nice squad. You know, I like all, I like the size of all the role players. You know, they like the size of all the role players. You know, they all damn near the same size with the same athletic ability.

And so it's pretty cool to see them teamed up with LeBron, Luka, and AR-15. Cube, let me ask you this. Where were you when you heard the news the Lakers were trading Anthony Davis for Luka Doncic? And did you believe it when you heard it? I didn't believe it. You know, I was at the house

and, you know, I was, you know, I know my son, he had a, you know, a podcast he had to do. And he was just, like, freaking out on the podcast because he was reading the news at the same time. And so, you know, it was hard to believe that was true. But the Lakers always pulled the rabbits out they had. You know, I'm like, I felt the same way when they got Shaq. You know, I felt the same way when they got LeBron on.

You know, it was like, man, how do the Lakers pull this off? Great front office. You know, I never count them out, no matter, you know, how the team look from year to year. I never count that front office out. Even bringing AD in was amazing to me. Gave up a lot to get in, but it worked out. You got a championship out of the deal. Yes, without a doubt.

Q, you're the co-founder of the Big Three. Last year was your most viewed season. How do you take it to the next level? And it's being reported that Dwight Howard said, my last year playing professional basketball, I'm going to play it in the Big Three. There we go. You know, star power.

You know, the same thing, you know, that you guys got here, star power. So that's what we're bringing into the league. That's what people want to see. But also the style of play. You know, I think people love the big three because, you know, there's still a place for the big man. You know, we still play defense. You know, we let them trash talk.

We let players be themselves, you know, not penalize personality. You know what I mean? And so I think people, you know, love mean and uh so i think people you know love that fans want that uh that's what's missing in some ways in in the other professional league and so him to come in and uh do his you know last you know go around the country in the big three it's gonna be a fun summer but you know we also got other players that's great too. So, you know, now we're in cities. Now, you know, we got a team in L.A., a team in Dallas,

a team in Houston, Chicago, Detroit, Boston, and the DMV in Miami. So it's going to be interesting to unlock those fan bases and start to grow the Big 3 from that model. What made you decide to come up with the Big 3? You're sitting around, I mean, look, you're busy. You know, you're in Hollywood, you're back to doing music, and I think now, Q, you're back more into music now

than you've ever been. Maybe you've taken a break from the acting thing, from writing. I know you got to, we're going to get this a little later, but the Friday, the last installment of Friday, probably sitting down writing that, you, DJ Poo. But in this situation, what made you decide to come up with the big three? I'm a fan. And, you know, after the finals, NBA finals, man,

I would hibernate until football season started. I mean, seriously, for people who love basketball and love football, those dark days of summer just got you know it was just brutal um and so i knew there was a lot of fans out there like me who wanted something a real season could we fit a real season into that window between the nba finals and the start of the regular season in football. And so, you know, there was a great window. And three-on-three was sitting there kind of dormant. You know, it was kind of the little cousin of five-on-five. Yeah.

I said, you know, why haven't they been professionalized? And there was no good reasons. I looked at what FIBA was doing, and I said, hey, we could do better than that to professionalize the sport. And we came up with great wrinkles, like the four-point circles, and bringing fire, and, you know, first to 50 win, no game clock, but the shot clock. So the games are fast, they're fun, and it's what basketball should be. And so, you know, we put all the great ingredients into it, and it was a great idea, and we had the connections

and the people to make it come true. And Hall of Famers had blessed us george gervin dr j clive drexler uh rick berry uh you know these guys blessed the league and say there's something they want to be a part of and uh and so i knew if the hall of famers was into it i was on to something something. Because they wouldn't get behind something that wasn't pure. And so, you know, that's the way it started. And it really happened after I seen Kobe's last game. I was kind of upset that I couldn't see him play no more. And I said, man, why can't he play? And then and then i just was like well maybe it's just the 82

games uh because if you can score 60 points in a damn game you can play i don't give a damn you know how old you are you know i'm saying you can play so uh then i said okay what in you know what if it was half court? What if it was, you know, 10 weeks? You know, it was first to 50 win. And it was kind of a sprint. And not, you know, such a long marathon or a long grind. And you get a week to recover.

You know, I just tried to put all the good ingredients in to make sure players was at their best. We kind of looked at the NFL model, you know, an important game once a week. And, you know, you use the week to get your body right, and you come out and you give 1,000%. Joker becomes the third player to average a triple-double during the season. He joins his teammate, Russell Westbrook, Oscar Robinson. Oscar Robinson and Russ are the only ones to average a 30-point triple-double. Jokic is finished 0.2 points short of that. He averaged 29.8 points per game, 12.8 rebounds per game, 10.3 assists per game,

and averaged, what, 1.8 steals, 1.8 steals per game, which was tied for second. Dyson Daniels led the league with 3.0 assists per game. Jokic had more triple-doubles this season, 34, than any three players in the league combined. No other players else

in a Friday with more than 10 this season. I think LeBron had exactly 10, correct? Mm-hmm. So that just goes to show you just how dominant Yolk was. Very, very. Hey, I got a question. As dominant as he is, right,

being that his game isn't based on explosion and being quick and playing above the rim. How long can he keep this up? As long as he wants to. It's been reported he's about to sign a three-year, $212 million extension in the offseason, which is the Supermax, which is the most a guy can sign for, which is that $70 million per year extension, which Luke was going to be entitled to this offseason.

So because of his game, extension, which Luke was going to be entitled to this offseason. So... Because of his game, it's not a lot of pounding. It's not a lot of up and down. Right. Another eight years. Consistency. Consistently doing this.

You got this. Long as his mind stays sharp. But you got to realize those type players are not like American players. Right. It's not the end-all, be-all to them. You hear them talk, he wants to get back to his horses. He wants to get back to his native land. He wants to be with his family.

That's what he wants to do. I'm not saying he doesn't get the game serious. He takes the game. You don't become this good. I don't care how talented you are. Be this dominant without taking the game serious without putting the work in and that was the thing i mean you people talk about luca luca put the work in i think the the thing is with luca is that you look at his body he's never going to have a body like lebron james he's never going to have a body like

the white howard neither is yokich yeah that's Yeah. That's not how, that's not their makeup. That's not their genetic makeup, Ocho. That's not how they're going to be built. European players, when you, when European players, you see built like that,

got caps on their shoulders, abbed up. Right. You're right. They got quad, hamstring, definitely, not even what they are.

Can you put the ball in the basket absolutely absolutely he had a phenomenal season but Shea should win the MVP he's earned that he's been I mean all those consecutive 20 point games all those

he led the league in 50 point games led the league in 40 point games 30 point games 20 point games he led the league in 50-point games, led the league in 40-point games, 30-point games, 20-point games. He's been sensational. And they have the best record in the NBA. Hmm. I don't know. Hold on.

Oh, he got one. Yeah. Giannis has 11. LeBron has 10. So LeBron finished second. Third with triple doubles but Jokic was far far far far far far ahead

ahead of everybody with those triple doubles but it's going to be a very interesting matchup because there's a big body that can bang with him but here's the thing Lubeck's going to have to be

extremely careful because he can get him in foul trouble because Jokic had all those moves those ups and unders and doopsy doop so it's going to be very be extremely careful because he can get him in foul trouble. Because Jokic had all those moves, those ups and unders and bloop, doopsy-doop. So it's going to be very, very interesting to see how this thing plays out. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next.

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