Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Nightcap LIVE from 2025 NFL Draft in Green Bay!

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

Join Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson LIVE from Lambeau Field in Green Bay, Wisconsin to react to the 2025 NFL Draft. Tap in with Unc & Ocho to see where top prospects Cam Ward, Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, and Shedeur Sanders are selected!#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Draft class 1990, pick 192. Bronco Ring of Fame 2009, Pro Football Hall of Fame 2011. My partner and co-host, draft class 2001, Bengals Ring of Fame honoree 2024. No, three. 23. 2024. No, three. Twenty-three.

Twenty-two. No, you went in the first year together. Okay, 23. 23. Yeah. This is Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson. Thank you guys for joining us. Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute.

Can you hear me? Before I start, I need you to repeat after me, okay? I said repeat after me. Hello? I fucking love you. Let's go. Let's go. The Tennessee, look, this is the worst kept secret of the American guys.

When they canceled all the other pre-draft workouts and said after they worked at Cam Ward, they – Travis, thank you, but no thank you. Jadur, thank you, but no thank you. All those other guys, I think they would have settled their guy. When you become this set on your guy, you have him targeted. You've been watching him for a long period of time. You want this guy to come in and start.

This is not, well, let's see, wait until the last minute. Let's look at a couple of other guys, Ochoa. This is the guy they targeted. This is the guy they want. They believe this is the guy that's going to be their Steve McNair. Get them back in playoff contention year after year. Get them to a Super Bowl. What is it that you like so much about Cam Ward? I like what Cam was able to do their Steve McNair. Get them back and playoff contention year after year. Get them to a Super Bowl. What is it that you like so much about Cam Ward?

I like what Cam was able to do for the Hurricanes. Able to have UM back to resurgence where they were a top team. That usually offense looked very good. Seeing him as a trend, a generational talent. I like what he's been able to do, so I'm not sure what's. He's got to get there. I like what he's been able to do, so I'm not sure what's going to happen once he gets there. Obviously, he's their answer,

and he's supposed to be their answer for the next 10 years, similar to what Jaden Daniels did for the Commanders. I'm excited. You know what I like most about Cam Ward? Adversity. Yes. He just didn't go to one university. He started at Mackey.

He goes all over the place, and then he settles into the University of Miami. You want guys that have had adversity in their life. You want guys that have gone through things, struggled, because it's going to be a struggle. At some point in time you're going to face adversity as a quarterback or even a player in the NFL. And having gone through that adversity,

he knows what it's like to fall on hard times, pick himself up, and start back down there. I have a question for you. Yes. If Cam Ward does go number one, is he a day one starter or is it quarterback competition with Will Levinson and Cam? Well, they'll say it's a quarterback competition, but Cam Ward, because they singled him out so long ago, they didn't bring anybody else in.

They knew they wanted a quarterback, and they knew in order for you to win in this league, you got to have a quarterback. The reason, let's think about it. Why is it a quarterback competition? We're picking number one overall because the quarterback that's on the roster wasn't any good, or he wasn't very good, let's be real with it. Right, right. Because if he was that good, they wouldn't be picking this high.

Yes, yes. The mere fact that they're picking this high and they're taking a quarterback tells you they want to transition and go to Cam Ward. Now what happens if the Titans pull a wool of our eyes? They have everybody thinking they're taking Cam Ward first and they pull a wool and do something else with the first pick of the draft. I don't believe they're going to do anything different

Ocho. Let me tell you why. They seem like they've been set on this pick for such a long time. And when you're picking this high, you're going to guarantee this guy somewhere between $40 and $45 million. That's tough. His contract is going to be fully guaranteed. I would have liked the thought that if you was thinking about going somewhere else,

you bring somebody else in, talk to them, get a feel for them. They could. They could. Right. But I don't believe that's the case. I believe Cam Ward is their guy. This is the funny thing about it. If you have the number one pick, you really don't have to talk to anybody

because you already know who you're taking regardless. You don't know what their plans are, especially in the war room. Sometimes you know how they play. You never know. It's a chess match. So I'm curious. I'm excited. If Cam Ward does go to Tennessee, I wish him nothing but the best.

At number two, where would you all like to see? Who's going number two? Tramp. Tramp. Yeah. Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter. Yeah, I think it's a two-horse race for number two. I think it's Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter.

Obviously, Travis is a two-way player. He can give you offense. He can give you defense. Abdul Carter is an edge rusher. Twelve sacks this past season. Reminds a lot of people. Michael Parsons, LeVar Arrington, that great linebacker lineage that comes out of Penn State University.

It's going to be very, very interesting to see. The third is where it starts to get interesting. You know, I think the first two picks, I think they're kind of, I'm not going to say etched in stone, but the guy's carving. I think he's already in his seat. Well, actually, I don't think number three, I'm not going to say etched in stone, but the guy's carving. I think he's already out in the scene. Well, actually, I don't think number three might be different based on who goes number two. If they go defense, you go with a two-way player, I say Travis Hunter goes number two. Yes.

Then it's a toss-up. That's what I'm saying. Number three, can it be Abdul Carter? Do the Giants need another defense in? They already have Thibodeau. Go with Kayvon Thibodeau. Yes. What about Shador? Because they still don't have a quarterback. Go with Kayvon Thibodeau. Yes. What about Shador?

Because they still don't have a quarterback. Goes with Lawrence to be tackle. But here's the thing, Ocho. You really need somebody to compete in that division. Right. At the quarterback position. Okay, they got Russ. Yeah. Is that enough to hold? It's only one year. I know.

They got Jameis, but that's only one year. Jane Daniels. Jalen Hurts. Yes. Dak Prescott. If you go back and look at what happened to the Raiders, you got Pat Mahomes. You got Bo Nix.

You got Justin Hurts. And now you got Jano Smith. You see, the Raiders really needed, they knew they needed a quarterback because you got, it's a quarterback-heavy division. The NFC East is a quarterback-heavy division. Now, the question is, do you want to match fire with fire or do you want somebody to go extinguish that fire? That's the question.

Listen, a defensive player can only impact the game so much. You see, what does Philly have? Defense. Collectively, though. As a whole. You hear Church, Washington, and play for... Go up. No, they're in play for T.J. Watt.

Woo! Okay? That'd be nice. So, I think it starts to get interesting at three. Once we get to three, it's going to really start to get interesting. Four, five, six, seven, eight, the top ten is going to be a – listen to Adam Schefter. I think somebody else said it.

More teams are interested in moving down than moving up. I think we don't have a really exciting draft class outside of maybe the top three. There aren't too many players that really, that are really a trap. What are you saying? Okay. You got them. Fuck.

Oh, okay. Go, Mike, go. Go, Pat, go. Go. He's going number one. That's the face you have when you're going number one. Sure. The kale.

He's like, man, I'm nervous. But they've done a great job of holding it in, O.J., because you don't want to rob him of that excitement. Yeah. Hey, let him have that moment. Let him call. Hey, man, it's him have that moment. Call. Hey, man, it's me. I'm just calling. Hey, man, what you doing? What you have for lunch?

What you have for breakfast today? You see Travis Hunter in the pink? Is that pink or fuchsia? That's pink. I'm excited for Trav. I'm excited for Trav, especially wherever he goes. I'm hoping the organization knows that he would love to play both sides of the ball.

I hope they grant him that grace, being that's what he was able to do at Colorado. I'm excited for him. I don't know where he goes. I would like, you know what I would like? What? I would like for Jerry Jones to make a splash by not talking to the media, but moving up the draft and going to get Travis Hunter at number two. I like that.

Oh, boy, you got to give up so much. I think the Cowboys at 12. You might as well. You might as well. You might as well. I mean, hypothetically speaking, I think it would be dope. Jerry says he's had something brewing on the trade market. That's what Jerry said. Jerry says he got two big fish in the

fire right now. This might be it. If I'm Jerry, I go try to get Tyreek. Ooh, that's another good one. I like that. I like that. Tyreek and to get Tyreek. Ooh, that's another good one. That's a good one. I like that. I like that. Tyreek, Tyreek and CD? Tyreek and CD.

Tyreek outside, CD in the slot. You got Javante Williams at running back. He came on from the Broncos. I think they're going to probably – they need to do something in the offensive line. Zach Martin retired. The offensive line wasn't very good last year. They were beat up. Terrence Steele is there.

They got the Smith kid. But they need some quality. Dak got hit a little bit too much, and the running game was nonexistent. I don't know if they weren't very good at the running game or didn't put an emphasis enough on the running game. But they definitely need to improve the running game and the offensive line. Yes, sir. What do you think?

So, you think they just pulled a switcheroo on us? I think so. I don't know why I can feel it. What do you think? So you think they're going to pull a switch at Ruanas? I think so. I don't know why I can feel it. What do y'all think? Who do you think is going to be the first pick? Cam. Travis? You think Travis.

You think Cam. Who you got? Who you got going number one? Travis? You think so? You want to make a bet? Let's bet 20 bucks. Let's bet 20 bucks, me and you.

I ain't going to pay you, but let's bet. No, he don't pay. Don't bet him. Don't bet him. He don't pay. He been on me thinking 200 for six months. Oh, come on now. It's time to pay. What?

We don't normally be late. We don't know the clock. I'm on the clock. There's three minutes. Well, I didn't hear the commissioner. The commissioner normally comes to the podium. Welcome to the 2025 NFL Draft. Right.

Welcome. The clock. How long the clock go? I think it's 10 minutes, isn't it? Okay. Asher, you in my ear? How long? What do they got?

You want to make a bet? Huh? You going camp. He's going camp. You got camp? Look at Commission on the bike. Hey, look at Commission on the bike. He tripping.

That's a Green Bay training camp tradition. Hold on. I got Travis Hunter going first. Let's bet. Friendly bet. Friendly bet. Friendly bet. All right. Lord, help her.

Commence probably hadn't rode a bike in 20 years. 30. 40. Make it 40. And they got Lil Wayne on the bike. With us. Yeah. Okay.

Lil Wayne on the bike with us Uggs. Yeah. Okay. Lil Wayne on the bike with Uggs. All right, let's go. Come on. Look what we got. Come on. What we got? Come on. Kamish got on sneakers.

That's AJ. No. Matthews Jr. Clay Matthews Jr. They look the same. He does. They still booing the Commish? You know that. After all these years?

Yes. Actually, they booing the owners, but he had to go out there in front of them. Remember how we talked about Nico Harrison? That's right. Father on the sword for that. Yeah, most definitely. Hey, are you nervous to lose that 20? All right.

Matter of fact, you don't even have to pay me. After this, you got to treat me to dinner. No, I want to go to Tanner's. All right, Ben. Can you hear Commissioner talking? No. I can't either. No, I was wondering why I thought we was going to be able to hear. Oh, we'll turn the TV up so we can hear.

I mean, I like to watch the games and sound, but I want to hear the pinks in real time. Yes. No, he's a Broncos. He's a Bronco. Ravens. No, no. Both. Hey, you're a Raven fan? Why are you here?

Come on, man. Oh, you're a Raven fan too? Listen, you know what? I still love you, but everybody likes to have flaws. That's one of yours. It's cool. Hey, hold on. Who's better, the Ravens or the Bengals?

You want to make a bet this year? Bet $20. $20. Yes, yes, yes. Put the audio in my ear. Not too loud, not too loud. that's a good one that's a good one I don't know if the president actually said that

but that was pretty good so as commission announced that the titans on the out here we go. Here we go Come on Rods He can speed this up if you just go ahead and now stupid Yes Yes. Let's go. Tennessee Titans are on the clock.

Do we have any Titans fans here? Oh, you by yourself? Titans fans? No, that says Vikings. Hey, Warren Moon said that if Cam goes to the Titans, he will take the number one out of retirement to allow him to wear it. That's dope. That's live.

So here it is. Yeah. Quarterback to defensive players. I don't know. I just have a feeling they're going to pull a fast one. You think so, Ochoa? I have a feeling. I don't know why.

Let me ask you this. Why would you take Trav when you ain't got nobody to get in the ball? You don't think they'd get Will Evans another year? He really hasn't had an actual chance. I think they would, but he keeps making the same mistakes. Right. That's what he bug coaches. Right. Right.

See? Okay. Wow. Okay. All right. Yeah. All right. Listen to Adam Schefter talk. Yeah. Huh? All right.

Listen to Adam Schefter talk. He says that the Tennessee Titans were sold on Cam Ward. Right. The Giants said, we'll switch spots with you at three and give you next year's number one. And other draft picks. So that solidifies Cam going one. Yeah. It looks like I lost the bet, sir.

Hey, look at it. He got the phone up to a zero, Joe. Allow him to have that moment. Right. I know. Oh, you wanted me to sign it, huh? Wait, you want me to sign that one or the one I give you? Hey, you got $20?

You got $20? Somebody got to have $20. I'm chilling. I'm betting money I ain't even got to pay. I'm getting your money now. Hold on. Wow. Yeah, you got to do a better job. Wow.

Woo. Wow. Woo! Mel Capra seems to be sold more on Shador than Cam Ward, but it's too late now. The hay's in the barn. Cam's going number one overall. How you betting my money? He betting my money. It's yours?

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Sometimes, you've got to know when to hold them, know when to hold them. Sometimes don't get your team in second and long, third and long. Sometimes don't take your team out of field goal range. Get the ball out. It's okay to live to see another day. But be smart. You know, if you're in field goal range, don't take a sack. Throw it out.

Throw it out of bounds. If you're second and short, don't be third and long. Just don't do anything stupid. He does a great job of protecting the ball, but sometimes I think he's too cautious. You've got to have some risk in order to be successful in the league. I think he's going to be okay. I don't like what the media and the pundits have done to him.

Yeah, yeah, they beat him up. They're beating him up really bad based on him being confident. That's one of the few things that you do need to play at the highest level is you've got to have belief. You've got to be confident in your skills and what you're able to do. Yes. Coming out and saying, if you want a franchise-changing quarterback, you come to have belief. You got to be confident in your skills and what you're able to do. Coming out and saying, if you want a franchise changing quarterback, you come and get me. There's nothing wrong with that.

There's nothing wrong with that at all. What was he supposed to say? If you want a franchise changing quarterback, don't come get me. Don't draft me. If you want to win your division, you want to go to the playoffs, don't take me. Of course that's what he's supposed to say. I do like Cam. He do have great escapability. Look,

I think we all can agree that Cam is a better athlete than Shador. Yeah. But that doesn't mean Shador can't play in the NFL. Peyton Manning wasn't the greatest athlete. I'm not saying Shador is going to be that. I'm not saying he's going to be Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Gillian Rivers. But there's room for guys that are not athletic, as athletic as, say, a Lamar Jackson or a Luther Galpin Buffalo. Josh Allen, right.

Because they're supremely athletic. That doesn't mean a guy that's not as athletic can't get the job done. But then there are other attributes. The fact that he's not as athletic. There are other things to his game that he's much better at. His precision. His accuracy. His ability to process very fast outside of holding the ball too long, sometimes waiting on things to develop.

Sometimes it's what a quarterback, what you can't see with a quarterback that makes him great. Right. Because you look at Tom Brady, he didn't have anything, no big arm. He couldn't run very fast. He didn't have the muscular body. But what he had here is what he had here. Yeah, replaced everything else.

Replaced everything else. So sometimes it's the intangibles as opposed to the tangibles. Right. How much time on the clock? We got a pick. The pick is in. Pick's in. Pick's in.

Well, we're about to find out. Pick's in, guys. I want my 20 bucks. Travis Hunter. No. Yeah. Look, I didn't see anybody else put the phone up to the air, Ocho. I didn't see Trav put the phone up to his ear.

Yeah. I didn't see Abdul Carter put the phone up to his ear. Wait. I didn't see Abdul Carter put the phone up to his ear. Wait, that might have been a trick, though. That might have been a trick. Man, who playing on the phone? Oh, man. Here he come. Now what?

The Tennessee Titans select from the University of Miami. Okay. Okay. You're right. You're right. Good pick. Damn it. Yeah, guys, I don't think there was much of a surprise here.

When they turned down all of the visits and workouts, they zeroed in on that guy. Ocho. Ocho. Ocho, you know what it's like? Yes. It's like you know the kind of car you want. Right.

Why are you going to go test drive and waste your people time test driving something that you know you already got your mind made up? Yeah. Whether it's a Ferrari, a Lambo, a G-Wagon, a Cullinan, whatever the case may be. Right. When you have your mind set, don't go waste your people time talking about let me test drive this, let me test drive that. Oh, we got a trailer, Ocho. Wait, what are we doing? The Cowboys, I guarantee you.

Jacksonville. No, they're going to get. They're going to get trapped. They're going to get trapped. Wait, what if they shock you and they get asked. Abdul Carter? No, no, no. Asked in Gentry?

Yeah, Gentry. No. No. Ooh. I don't know, Ojo. Hold on. You going to get a running back? Okay, listen.

I just heard about Jacksonville. I just heard about Jacksonville always wanting Ashton Jentles. I heard about that. All over. Right. Wow. Wow. Wow. Hey, I thought we'd get interested in that once we got past three. Three.

Oh, the draft started at two. Uh-huh. That changes up everything now, though. It does. It changes up everything. Let me tell you where it changes up at. Who goes to? That's what changes.

Right. Now, if they take JT. Wait, they got ET in, right? changes up at. Who goes to? That's what changes. Now, if they take JT... Wait, they got ET in, right? That's what I'm saying. That's why I think it makes sense for me to take Travis Hunter because you can play him on offense and defense. Now, you get a package

together. He plays as many snaps as he can handle on defense, and you got a nice little package for him on offense. I like it if Travis Hunter is the pick. Right. I think if Jinsy's the pick, also, I look at Philly. I look at what Saquon was able to do for the Philadelphia Eagles, and I see Aston Jinsy in that same light, being able to run the ball, being able to be a three-down back. He can pass protect. He can catch the ball out the backfield. He can do some of those things.

I'm not sure. I don't know what they're going to do with the number two pick. Travis Hunter is nice, but I would have much preferred him somewhere else in a bigger market, New York. I would have loved him in New York. And obviously in Cleveland, the opposite side of Denzel Ward and obviously doing some stuff on offense. Opposite of Judy. Yeah.

But, I mean, where do y'all think Jacksonville, where is Jacksonville going with the number two pick now? I think Travis. Travis Hunter? I think Travis, too. Where is he going? Number two pick. Travis?

Travis? Travis? Travis? Travis. I think so, too, Ocho. It makes sense. Because how else were you going to get him? Yeah. You got to go up. You got to. You got to. It makes sense. Because how else were you going to get him? Yeah. You got to go up.

You got to tear it too. He wasn't going to be there. Nope. He wasn't going to be there. Nope. Nope. Because then there's a possibility somebody shoot on pass three and take it. Yeah. Make a trade with the Giants to take it. I think it's going to be Travis Hunter. I'm not

surprised. Like I said, I won't be surprised if it's Travis Hunter. Right think it's going to be Travis Hunter. I'm not surprised. Like I said, I won't be surprised if it's Travis Hunter. I'm going to be shocked if it's Ashton Jenton. Ain't no telling. Ain't no telling. I mean, number two to Ocho, a running back, he went

two. He went behind Baker Mayfield. That's right. So why do you think he wouldn't be the one to go two? I'm not saying he's not as special. I'm not saying he's... Yeah. Okay. Okay.

People are telling us it's going to be Travis Hunter. I like it. I like it. We got a spy in the green room. Travis Hunter has been on the phone with. Travis Hunter, Duval County. They get the second. Oh, Joe.

The Browns get the fifth overall pick, the 2025 second and fourth round picks, and next year's number one. That's nice. That's a haul. That's nice. Joe, to move up three spots. Yeah. Look at what they gave up to move up three spots.

You thought the Cowboys was going to move up ten spots? They'd have to give up AT&T Stadium. That's dope. Travis Hunter, Duval County. Oh, Joe, that's almost as big a deal as what the 49ers gave up to get Trey Lance. Yeah. Trey Lance went from here. That didn't work out so well.

No. But look, Travis is proven. Travis did it at Jackson State, and they said, yeah, but if you were at a bigger school, you couldn't do that. He goes to a power four, and he did it on both sides of the ball at a very high level. He was the Heisman Trophy winner. He was the Blitner Cup Award winner. He was the Gursky Award winner. So there's no question about his ability. The question that people have is can he play at the level he played at in college on both sides of the ball? I think he can.

Like we already talked about, I prefer to see him at receiver or DB. Maybe have some packages for him at receiver. As a DB, one thing about it, I know all games are going to sell out. I know we're going to have the number one selling jersey this year. Duval County got you a good one. They got you a good one at Jacksonville.

I like it. I like this pick. That's dope. I like this pick. I'm really liking this pick to the Jags. Jags knew the guy that they wanted, Ocho. Yes, sir. They knew the guy that they wanted. Okay. We're going to have to give up a King's Ransom to get him.

Got to. And sometimes when you want a house in that subdivision, in that corner site, they got great schools in that district. Yes. Everything is in close proximity. You got to pay a little bit of extra. It's all about location. And you have no problem playing extra for that nice location because you know what you get long term.

Yes. You know what you get long term. So you got to think resale. I'm going to be able to recoup my money in Travis Hunter. Easily. People are going to, look, he's from Georgia. It's a short ride from Atlanta to Jacksonville. I like this pick. Now, they gave up a lot to get him, Ocho. It was worth it. a short ride from Atlanta to Jacksonville. I like this pick.

Now, they gave up a lot to get it, Mocho. It was worth it. They gave up a lot to get it. Worth it. Oh, absolutely. Worth it. Ask how much time we got. Pick is in.

Coach, commissioners, welcome back to us. Is that? He was at San Francisco two years ago. What's his name? D. Lyman. Oh, I don't know D. Lyman. Who was that? What's his name? He was at San Francisco. Uh.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Duval. Little Duval actually going to lose his mind. Yeah, absolutely. Wow. I don't think anybody saw this pick coming, though, Joe. I don't think anybody saw this trade. Not the trade. The pick, yes.

I knew he was going to. Yes. He had to be going to. Yes. I just didn't know anybody would jump up and go get him like this. Travis. Travis. Yeah. Travis Hunter.

That's live. That's live. Wide receiver, defensive back. And he got his dad in attendance. His dad was able to get permission, Ocho, to come see his son. There you go, Tramp. Show up. Show up.

That's live. That's great. The thing is, Ocho, these young men, hopefully your journey starts all over again. Yeah, most definitely. There was a journey to get to this point. Now your journey starts all over again because your journey wasn't just to get here It was to thrive here Yeah, most definitely I remember

Those days, obviously I wasn't able to go to the draft But just getting drafted and just thinking About all the obstacles I had to go to the draft, the military I was getting ready to head Down to the Air Force Recruiting Center This is dope This is great for Travis I was getting ready to head down to the Air Force Recruiting Center. This is dope.

This is great for Travis. It's great for the Jaguars organization. That's the dope feeling. Hey. Dude. Oh. Hey They've been skilled guys The skilled guys can't lift commissioners Like them people This is unbelievable This is unbelievable right here

Alright Yeah I like it All right. Yeah. I like it. I like it. We got the Giants at three. Yeah. It's going to be Carter. You think so? Yeah.

Pair him with Thibodeau. Pair him with Lawrence. But then what should I ask the long-term at the quarterback position if you do go with Thibodeau? Well, they said they believe Russ can sustain him for a year. They got Jameis. The thing is, they want to be able to attack

Jalen Hurts. They want to be able to attack Jane Daniels. They want to be able to attack Dak Prescott. With that in mind, look, you got two edge rushers and you got one of the premier D tackles and all the football collapsing the pocket on the inside. I like the pick.

I like the pick. Because if I'm taking a quarterback at 3-0, Joe, I got to love it. I got to love it. Also, in that division, you got to have a quarterback to be able to score some points. When you go defense, let's say you do go at Abdul Carter here. You're able to stop all the teams that are able to score and will in your division. Right. But how are you going to put up points?

How are you going to put up points? They say they got Malik neighbors. They believe Russ can get him the ball. They believe they can probably get a—who knows? They could trade back in and get one of these receivers. But I think they believe Ochoa can get a great pick in the second round. Do you believe they can get him? Do you believe they can get a day two pick, a day two wide receiver that's quality? Absolutely.

There's some gems that aren't out there that aren't talked about enough that might be able to come out based on the system that they do run. Correct. Yeah. The first two picks, I'm not surprised at all. No. I mean, you get the premier cornerback in the draft. You get a top three receiver in the draft.

You get the best athlete in the draft. Yeah, most definitely. I'm not surprised at all. Oh, Trav. I'm not surprised at all. Old Tramp. Look at that. They got two balls, Florida. Oh, and the cap. That's dope.

I like that. Giants pick us in. Giants pick us in. Our spot in the green room is going to be Abdul. What do we got? Who do you got at number three? Abdul Carter. Abdul Carter.

They're going to attack. I say maybe Shador. I don't know. I think the thing is they want to attack the quarterback. Right. They want to attack the quarterback. You. They want to attack the quarterback. You get two edge rushers. Because think about what the Philly got.

They got Jalen Hurts inside. Yeah. And they got them edge rushers on the edge. Yeah. Now, they lost, you know, what? Who is it? Sweat? Was it Sweat?

Yeah. And they have the, I forgot, Young Bulls. Yeah. Three. What's number three? He went to New England. Okay. But they still got, see,

Deion Sanders, last players were eight plus starts on offense and defense. And that was what, 95? Yeah, that was long. 96, 96. That was a long, long time ago. Yeah. Very long. But you have to understand, Ocho, that was time seventh or eighth season.

Right. That wasn't his rookie season. Defenses are a little bit more complex. Offenses are a little bit more complex. Right. But he told you before. Oh, they're going to allow it? No.

Jacksonville is going to allow it. Oh, okay, okay. They're going to allow it. Yeah. The pick is in. The pick is in. Giants. Shador Sanders.

You want to make a bet? How much you got to lose? The man hugging his mom and dad on the TV up there. Oh, for real? Yeah. You're cheating. You're looking at the TV. Yeah.

I told y'all. I spy. I spy the Giants. There you go. Okay. Abdul. Abdul. Yeah.

Even Pops got on the chain. Look at Parkland. There you go, Pops. Oh. That's live. Abdul Carter to the Giants. Look. He's a unanimous All-American. The one thing that the guy, hey, for the most part, you look at LeVar,

guys that wear that number 11, special. They special. Abdul Carter is special. He can transfer speed to power. He can bend the edge. I got no problem with this pick, and on that turf, he's going to be

dynamic. He's going to be electric. I like it, but still, I'm thinking about in order to compete, especially in that division, you need somebody at the quarterback position. There's nothing wrong with Russ. There's no disrespect to Russ and no disrespect to Jameis as well. But to compete in that division, you need a transcendent talent, someone to set you ahead of schedule by a decade. Okay. I don't see...

I like Shador. I don't understand. I don't know what the scouts are saying. I don't know what the GMs are looking at. But I've seen... I saw him do it at Jackson State. You know how Cole got a... What do you got? A special handshake? Yeah, they had a special handshake. Oh, they practiced that. Yeah, they did. Absolutely. They practiced that.

I think everybody's happy with the first three picks, though, Joe. I think every fan base is really happy with those picks. You can't go wrong. For the first five, you really can't go wrong. At four, I think the Patriots at four, everybody had them pegged in to take offensive linemen, the big offensive linemen on the LSU. Yeah.

Will Campbell. Yeah. Will Campbell. Yeah. Our spies tell us that Will Campbell is on the phone with somebody. I don't think it's his accountant. That's a great pick, man. That's a great pick.

Look at this. The great timing. That's how you do it. You unload. Look at this. The great timing. That's how you do it. You unload. Look at this. Running backs, you better step up. You better step up. Oh, let me get that. Great tip. Dropping coverage. He's doing everything.

Look at this. He's spying. Spies, spies, spies. Look at his closing speed. Give me that. Yeah. But this is where he excels at right here, Ocho. Look at this. Look at this.

Look at this. From one side of the field to the other side of the field, a TFL, tackle for loss. But look at this deal move. That's Bob Miller special. Bro, Kimmy, where you going? Did low and rip. Yeah.

Yeah. He's special. He can be in. Nice. That's a good pick. I can't complain. I like it, Ocho, because everybody else in that division, with the exception of the Cowboys, have an outstanding defense. At least they were last year.

We saw what Philly did. Look, we don't know what's going to happen with the commanders. It's been reported that they're in the running with T.J. Watt. Pittsburgh Steelers might want to try to move up. But I like this pick for them. I do. I agree with you now.

Don't get me wrong. I agree with you with the quarterback situation. But for them to go defensive player instead of a quarterback tells me, I'm not sold on Shador. I'm not sold on Jackson Dart. And when you take a guy, you gotta be sold on Joe. Yeah, matter of fact. When you pay a million plus for a home,

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They spent a lot of money. They got their quarterback. They spent a lot of money in the offseason. They spent a lot of money. They got their quarterback. They got their head coach. Yes. I like Gonzalez in the corner. They went and got a D tackle, played premium. Yeah, they brought Steph in. Yep.

They brought Steph in. You're right. Stephon Diggs is in. I'm not. We got to protect our quarterback. Hey, if you got a bunch of money, somebody got to provide security. Yes, sir. I think it's going to be the offensive tackle from LSU.

LSU. Will Howell. Will Campbell. The only knock, complaining about him having short arms, I think that really has nothing to do with him being able to play. Did his arms shrink after he got out of college? Yeah, he kept pancaking everybody. Exactly.

That's what I don't understand. A guy performed very well in college, and then you find fault with him. Yeah. Like, oh, he got short arms. Oh, his feet. Right. But he did something to make you even consider him. Right.

You know what it is? I think, Ocho, I think a lot of times they try to find what's wrong with you as opposed to what's right. Yeah. But I get it. Hey, I got to kick the tires. I got to do a full inspection of what's going on with you because I'm investing a lot of money in you.

These first three, four players, five players, they getting fully guaranteed contracts, Ochoa. Fully. Fully. So. Will Campbell? Yeah. I don't think anybody's surprised with that,

considering the moves that they made in the offseason. Stephon Diggs, the wide receiver. They got a big defensive tackle from the Eagles. Played a premium for him. They got Gonzalez at corner. I'm not surprised. Let's protect. A quarterback.

Let's protect. I like it. Yeah, I don't. Now, I think the top four picks, I think the only order, I don't think there's really any surprise. I thought Cam would go number one. If Cleveland had stayed at two, I bet they're going to take Shador. The Giants was always going to take Abdul Carter if he was available.

Right. As we started getting closer to the draft, we started hearing about Will Campbell to the Patriots. Right. Now, with the fifth pick, because Jacksonville traded with Cleveland, where does Cleveland go now? Well, Nick Chubb is not there, right? Right.

Nick Chubb is gone. What about Shador? I like it. That was a toss-up, though. Can it be Shador? Can you go to the running back position? Five is just a high for a running back. But, look, I get the resurgence

because you saw what Saquon did you saw what Derrick Henry did you saw what Josh Jacobs did you saw you know you saw Jameer Gibbs Joe Mixon there are a lot of guys that have success and the running back all of a sudden now is in bold certain running backs and this is the type

of running back that you don't want to pass up that you can take at the 5th pick because he can do so much for you. Yeah. The second most rush yards in college history. Yes. Over 2,600 yards. Finished about 25, 28, 27 yards behind what Barry did. Right.

It's a little high for me, but if you believe he's the guy, you take it. Yeah. You take it. I like that. But I think we're all in agreeance that Will Campbell is going to be the fourth pick of the draft in New England. Commission's walking to the podium now. And he just blew the TV up. Well, this was on a delay.

That was. It's Will Campbell. Will Campbell. Okay. Will Campbell. JT. Jeter. how you know hey Ash

what did they say to the green room what we got do we got hey Mason Graham huh oh the D tackle from Michigan be nice

be nice okay we got a guest coming Michigan. He nice. He nice. Okay. We got a guest coming. We got a guest joining us out here in about five minutes. The human joystick. Dante Hall, the great returner from Kansas City. Punt and kick returner. Tremendous slot receiver. 6'5",

319. His arms are short. You can see that. But look at him. Let's see. But look how he plays. Great balance. Kick step.

Great. Doesn't overextend. Ooh. Wow. I like that. Okay. Kick. Let's see what he got on Joe.

Oh, pass it off. Oh, I like that. Keep going. I like that. Drop. Oh, look at him sit down. Good anchor down. Look at him sit down on this. Oh, no. Oh, pass it off. Oh, I like that. Keep going. I like that. Drop it. Look at him sit down. Good anchor down. Look at him sit down on this. Oh, no.

Oh, my goodness. I love it. Okay, let's see. Let's see how he snap this off, Ocho. Ooh. Oh, get him. Oh, yes. I love those.

Yeah, look at him climb. He's nice. Look at this. I like his base., look at him climb. He's nice. Look at this. I like his base. Powerful hands. In. But they complain about his arm being too short. He's strong.

Hey, look at that. You see how he's strong with that outside hand? Yes, sir. Because he knows I can't let you spin back inside. If you run around this block, you're not going to be able to get there because it's an inside run. He's strong with this. Look at this. Get his feet inside.

Keep driving. Oh, oh! Pancake. Hey, that's a full stack of pancakes right there. And I like the suit. I like that. I like, hey, I like the green with the chalk stripes. Clean. There you go, Will.

There you go. Clean. I like the cash look. Hey, I like the sneakers. He want me over. I like the cash look. Hey, I like the sneakers. He want me over. I like this. I like this. I guess everybody getting away from lifting the commission up. They had a great run.

It's coming. You think it's coming back? It's coming. It's coming. It's coming. Will Campbell. I see you got the Pepsi on. I like this pick, Coach O.

It's a good one. Look, you got Drake May. Drake May is your money. You need something to protect your money. You need security. You got to protect your money. You got to protect your money. Every time.

So I like this pick. Yep. Look at Braves. Look. I think the Patriots, look. pick. Yep. Look at Braves. Look, I think the Patriots, look, we might not agree that the coach didn't have enough time. Right.

But look, Braves was not going to be available next year. No. So you had to make a move. You had to make a move. And plus, hey, he got four more years on that contract. Hey, I ain had to make a move. Gotta make a move. And plus, hey, Mayo got, he got four more years on that contract. Hey, I ain't looking for a job. Good. Yeah.

That's gonna make very interesting for the AFC East to see if the Patriots can get back to competing at a high level the way they used to. Now, I'm not sure how far off they are from competing or continuing against the Bills. Bills, yeah. But it's a start.

Yeah. You got to crawl. Listen, you got to crawl before you walk. How much better in year two would Drake may be than year one? Because Josh Allen is your MVP. Yeah. So we know he's cream of the crop. Yeah.

He's tier one. Okay. Tua, can he stay healthy? Yes. That is probably the most important question. Can Tua stay healthy? And then the Jets. The Jets got Justin Fields.

Wait, the pick is in already? Brown's pick is in. What we got? Howard? Big boy? D-tackle from Michigan. Yeah, I'm not. I thought Shador might sneak in here at five.

Right. Now, it's about to get interesting. Hold on, the Raiders are at six, right? Yeah. Okay. So, I was right. I was right. I was right. I like, you know, look.

I really like this pick. Because, you know, they got good running backs. Not great in New England. Right. They got good. But I think the main thing is you want protection for Drake May. That's the guy. Right.

You got to protect him and allow him to throw the ball down the field. Yeah. Because if you can, especially in today's game, which is pass-oriented, everything is about throwing the ball. Yes. You've got to be able to protect him. You've got to be able to protect him. I like the Stephon Diggs.

I like that signing. We'll see how close he is week one. They might put him on the puck, and he has to work. The pick is in. Yeah. What we got on, Joe? Mason Graham?

Yeah, they're going big boy for Michigan. Wow. He's a hell of a player, man. He's good. He's good. Really good. Well, pairing him with Miles Garrett, being a disruptor up in the middle, being able to stop, obviously, and disrupt, obviously, some of those teams in AFC.

Yep. And then the Ravens. Yeah, I think. Bengals. Yeah, I like the fact that Miles Garrett can get to the quarterback, but I like the fact that I got a big guy inside to start getting Henry up the middle. That's a good one. 6'3", 295. He plays with great pad leverage.

Yeah. I mean, he has tremendous. Look at. Oh, arm over. Good move, boy. Good move. Bam. He twitchy now.

Yeah, look at this. He plays with great pad leverage. Look at this. Press. Oh, snatch. I got you. Let me get that. Hey, you see that?

Hey, you see that? Yeah, that was nice. That was nice. Oh, get on that I got you. Let me get that. Hey, you see that? Hey, you see that? Yeah, that was nice. That was nice. Oh, get on the edge. Get inside. Oh, tackle for a loss. Woo. Okay.

He's different. Now he's in the three-team. Now he's in that cart. Oh. Snatch pull. Yeah. Snatch pull again a little bit. Look at this.

Boom. Oh. Straight bull power. Come on. Look at this Boom Straight bull power He didn't show three different cut up so I've seen three different moves. Oh, yeah Yeah, I see the snatch rip and I see the straight bull. He got it He got now you got a nice little bag on him. He does got a nice little bag on him and The city thing is why I like defensive tackles like this because they're closer to the quarterback than the edge rusher

so he's two yards away from the quarterback quarterback's gotta be the guard's gotta be really special to deal with him because he got

Aaron Donald had a bag like that he's not Aaron Donald but I'm just saying I saw three snaps I saw three cut-ups and I saw three different moves

but also what we saw obviously in college he was one-on-one most of the time. Yes. Most of the time with him being that boy. He going to get some what? He's going to get double-teamed now. Hold on. You on double him or you on double Miles Garrett? That's a good one.

That's a good one. Gentry to the Raiders. How do you know? We got a little birdie in the green room. It's Mason Graham. He got what you call a man. I like him. I like his pick, Coach O.

Yeah, a lot. I like his pick. I mean, watching him on those cut-ups. When you watch film, you always want to stand out. Yes, yes. And when you watch film and see these picks that are going high, you understand why they went high. Absolutely. Absolutely.

I don't think anybody's surprised this pick. Now, once we get past Jenty, because there's been a lot of talk over the last, say, three to four days about Jenty going to the Raiders. Yeah. So him going to the Raiders, I don't think that's going to shock a whole lot of people. Brady wants to protect Geno. Wide receiver. Look, they got Brock Bowers. They got two or three best tighties in all of football. wide receiver.

Look, they got Brock Bowers. They got two or three best tighties in all of football. Right. But you need somebody on the outside, Ochoa, to take some pressure off you. I like Brother McMillan from Arizona State. He ain't going to be there because you got only one pick. If you take Jenty, you're not going to be able to get McMillan. I don't think he's sliding out of the first round. Nah, he nice.

Big target. How much time we got on the clock, Ash? We got five minutes still. Look, I don't I think it's going to be JT. I heard a lot. I mean, over the last four or five days, there's been a lot of talk about

JT. They got a quarterback. They extended Geno. I like Brock Biles at talk about Jenty. They got a quarterback. They extended Geno. I like Brock Biles at the tight end position. They need a running back. They lost Josh Jacobs. He came here. They saw the type of season that he had. I think it's going to be a running back.

Look, it's a copycat league. Look at basically all the teams that had an outstanding running back. They win the playoffs. You will. Ashtonetson. It's live. Every team. Oh, just think about it.

Your top four or five running back. Right. Saquon won the Super Bowl. Derrick Henry in the playoffs. Joe Mixon in the playoffs. Josh Jacobs in the playoffs. Jameer Gibbs in the playoffs. Copycat League, hey, let's go get a running back.

And also, when I think about it, what the Raiders are doing also, I don't see any premier receivers on their team. No. What can we do? How can we help Gino Smith give you a running back like this that takes some of the pressure off of you for the lack of production that we're going to get on the outside? I like it.

I like this pick. But, boy, hey we're going to get on the outside. I like it. I like this pick. But, boy, hey, they got to get some receivers now. Yeah. I don't know if there's any receivers left on the free agent market or no. But maybe I'm going heavy. Yeah. Second, third round, I'm going receiver. You got to get something in there for Gino to throw to him.

I agree. He can run with power. Got great speed. Tremendous balance. Nice dip arm. Great vision. run through contact I like it I like his style though Joe he's standing straight up

and the funny thing some people some people some people were talking about you know the level of competition that he plays against it's not high but when it came time

to play in some of the big schools he played against Oregon he went for almost 200 on over did the same thing regardless of the competition he plays against is not high. But when it came time to playing some of the big schools. He played against Oregon. He went for almost 200 on Oregon. Did the same thing in regards to the competition he played against. Yeah, I think the thing is, Ocho, look. He's going to have better teammates around him. Oh, yeah. Well, definitely.

Than what he had at Boise State. And that's not to discount Boise State. But, you know, Brock Bowers is better than the tight end that he had. The quarterback, Geno, is better than the quarterback he had. So he has better players around him. I think he'll do a lot better. But obviously, the defenses he's going against are going to be a lot better than the defense.

A lot faster. I like it. I like this pick. Very good pick. Who's on the clock at 7? As you're going to – Jets. Uh-oh, Jets. Wait, they already got Justin Fields.

We got Justin Fields. I only got him for two years. What you taking? If you're the Jets, what you taking? You got Gary Wilson. Yeah, Gary Wilson. Oh, my goodness. Is there a tight end?

You got Tyler Warren rated that high? He does. Oh, for tight end for Penn State. He nice. That'd be a nice addition. You like Tyler Warren? I do like him. I don't know if the Jets like him at six.

That's too high, huh? Yeah. I think somewhere in the teens. Right. All right. Who we got? Who's going seven? No. I mean, Jets got the seventh pick.

Jenty. Jenty got great balance. He got better speed than you think, Ocho. Yeah. He about the same height as Emmitt. I think he might be a little faster than Emmitt. You think so? Yeah, but Emmitt had tremendous balance.

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