Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Niners return to form, Aaron Rodgers to blame, Russell Wilson return

Episode Date: October 11, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Brock Purdy’s 3 TD night and the San Francisco 49ers staving off a late game surge by Geno Smith, Tyler Lockett and the Seattle Seahawks. Later, Unc and Ocho debate the role Aaron Rodgers played in the firing of Jets HC Robert Saleh after going back and forth on his word, trouble brewing for Justin Fields with the return of Russell Wilson looming and much more!03:18 - Show Starts03:24 - Intro05:45 - 49ers v Seahawks19:07 - Belichick31:06 - Todd Downing41:36 - Sauce Gardner44:18 - Russell Wilson46:11 - Pickens on Fine53:41 - Ezekiel Elliot01:01:30 - Dak House(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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we greatly, greatly appreciate it. And the staff, the team at both really appreciate your support. Ocho, the 49ers got back on the winning track with a solid win tonight on the road against the Seattle Seahawks, 36,

24 Brock Purdy had another strong game throwing the football, 255 yards, three touchdowns. George Kittle was cooking. I needed you last week, George, to give me a touchdown so I could have won that parlay. Kittle, he had five catches for 58 yards and two scores on show. Isaiah Garindo?

Garindo filled an average for Jordan Mason. He had 99 yards on 10 carries. Mason had a strong night before he got injured. Geno Smith struggled despite throwing for 300 yards, finished with a touchdown and two interceptions. Kenneth Walker had 14 carries for 32 yards on the score. Tyler Lockett caught four passes, 65 yards on the touchdown. But I thought this game could have been over a lot earlier, Ocho,

had the 49ers been like they were last year, really good in the red zone. Because you see early on, they were settling for field goals. Field goals. Yeah. And you know, you settle for field goals, you get a field goal, and then next thing you know, you kick the ball off and the guy runs it back in what should have been a more lopsided game. But give those guys credit.

Purdy stood in the pocket, played really well. The running game was really good. And so when you can run the ball, it doesn't matter who's back there. As long as you can run the football, you can play action off of it, and good things normally happen for you down the field. But you see McIver, that's what we call Deebo. They talk about your Swiss Army Knight. Nah, that joke on McIver because he can make anything work.

He can return punts. He can return kickoff. You can line him up in the backfield like a true running back. You can put him in the slot. You can put him out wide. There's nothing he can't do on the football field. So he had an outstanding game tonight. I think he had over 100 yards or close, or maybe

over 100 yards or like three or four, three catches. Brandon Ayuk is starting to get into the flow of things. He's starting to look like the Brandon Ayuk of last year. The guy that was, you know, when Debo got hurt, showed that he could be a number one receiver. Kittle is Kittle. Did an outstanding job of blocking.

The offensive line was solid again. But I thought they really played well, Ocho, and got back on the winning track considering the last couple of weeks they let a couple slip away. Yeah, I mean, they played well their first four series. They ended up scoring, obviously, the first one they got seven and three field goals after that. Yeah, the first five possessions for the goddamn Seahawks,

they got nothing going. Obviously, Geno can't really throw those interceptions to give himself a chance, to give his team a chance offensively. Obviously, the kickoff, I mean, there was a kickoff return in the second half, right? Yeah. Yeah, the kickoff return in the second half kind of got them in rhythm. And obviously, once they got the ball back, that was one of their best drives they went down and scored again and it was 14

unanswered at that point and it kind of it kind of somewhat stalled out you know a little bit into the fourth quarter but by that time jino jino had thrown another pick and last pick doomed him yeah yeah that that that doomed him obviously jino is against the 49ers he's's 0-5. He's 0-5, and that's including the playoffs. So he doesn't play well against him. And in order for Geno to be able to beat them and give their team a chance, you just can't turn the ball over. You can't turn the ball over. And some of those possessions that you do have, you got to get points out of it.

You got to get points. I think the first four or five possessions the Seahawks had, they got nothing. They got nothing out of that. And they didn't get a field goal until I think a little later. By that time, the 49ers were ahead by 14 or so. But other than that, I mean,

it was a decent game. I would have liked to see the Seahawks play a little better for them to get where they want to go. They're teams like this. These are the type of teams that they need to compete with and the type of team that they need to be. And I think, hell, it all starts with the quarterback play. You know, Geno has to play better.

I'm sure he knows that. When he watches film, he'll see some of the throws that he missed. Oh, yeah, on the third down. That third down that he had, what was that? Was it Lockett? Was it Njigba? Njigba on one of the crosses. Yeah? Njigba on one of the crosses. Njigba on one of the crosses.

You got to make that one, Ochoa. Lockett should have caught that ball in the end zone. DK, you got to help me out a little bit. You got to help me out a little bit. Cross the middle or early in the game on that dig. I mean, just listen, I'm nitpicking. I'm nitpicking. But you got to almost be perfect

at every skill position and show up for your quarterback because when you're playing a team like this, you got to be perfect. You damn near got to play perfect football to compete with them. And listen, if you try to get to the playoffs, if you're trying to be serious about winning Lombardi, it's a game like this where you got to show up.

Well, I think the thing is, Ocho, is that when you play, like, what's your ultimate goals? Because if your ultimate goal is not winning the championship, well, you're not nitpicking. Don't even worry about it. Y'all do what y'all want to do. Everything will be okay. But if your ultimate goal is to win a championship and you lose the game, those are the things that you can go back and focus on and say, okay, guys, we got to make these plays here. It's a play here or there. And that's the difference.

It comes down to guys making plays or not making plays. It's really, you know, look, no matter what the sport is, it's really not that complicated. What team made the most plays? And when did they make said plays? Because all plays aren't created equal. And that's what people get upset at me about. They're like, well, the guy played well.

I said, but let me ask you a question. What role did that interception play late? And people got on me about Joe Burrow. I said, but let me ask you a question. What role did that interception play late? And people got on me about Joe Burrow. I said, hold on. All I know is that the Bengals had a lead until he gave, he fumbled the football and they got a scoop and score. Right.

Well, well, ain't no well and well. I'm just saying, a turnover in the first quarter is not, doesn't have the same weight, Ojo, as a turnover in the fourth quarter with two minutes left in the game, especially when the game – now, if you turn it over in the first quarter, you turn it over in the fourth quarter, and you're up by 17 points with two minutes to go, no harm, no foul. But when you're in a one-possession game, hell, it can't be nothing but a –

the likelihood early in the game like that, one-poss possession game, because, hell, you just started the first quarter. So the likelihood of you being down 21-0 to 28-0 in the first quarter is not very likely. So all turnovers aren't created equal. And so when you look at it, you go back and like, yeah, that third down, because that gives me another three to four downs, Ocho, to get the ball closer to the end zone in the end zone or get it to close to field goal range. And so

and you look at I'm like, damn, Gino, I can see if he was under the rest Ocho, but he shot that like like 10 feet over all the dudes here. Also, listen, they somebody somebody on offense. I don't know who the offensive coordinator is, even the head coach. If you can see, goddamn Bosa is very destructive. The entire

entire goddamn game. Get that motherfucker. If anything, slap the goddamn protection. He's disrupting and forcing Geno that he's forcing Geno to throw faster than he wants to. You know, he got two seconds. At least give him three seconds.

He get the ball in his hands and it's two seconds before they can get before they can even get into the goddamn route. Bones is right there. Yeah. But, see, the problem is you got Leonard Floyd on the other side. So you slide that one way, so now you got Leonard Floyd working one-on-one.

So you got to basically throw it unless you want to chip your way out on both sides and leave your guards inside on the D tackles because, you know, their pressure is outside pressure. Because Hargrove, if I'm not mistaken, I think Hargrove is hurt and he's on IR, so they don't really have anybody that can consistently collapse the pocket from inside and then force you into Bosa and Leonard Floyd.

So basically the pressure is coming from outside and Geno must step up in the pocket. But that's the thing why they went and got Leonard Floyd. And it just goes to show you, Ocho, sometimes a change of venue. People thought Leonard Floyd was a bust in Chicago. Think about it now. He was a top-ten pick. Really didn't do a whole lot.

But everywhere he's been since the Rams, he was big. He, Von Miller, and Aaron Donald. You see what he did in Buffalo, if I'm not mistaken. I think he had double-digit sacks in Buffalo. Parlayed that into a big contract with the 49ers. Sometimes, look, you just need a change of scenery, or you need somebody that understands

your skill set and can maximize that skill set and your ability in what you do very well. But I thought the 49ers played really well. The only thing that I had a problem with Ocho is that you can't kick field goals. I mean, you cannot, you cannot, you cannot, you pay the ultimate price. The only thing that saved them tonight is that Seattle couldn't get anything

going early. Yeah. Because you keep kicking field goals, two touchdowns. This team's right back in the game. They might have a lead. But give those guys credit. I thought Brock Purdy played a really strong game. Three touchdowns, 255, a clean game.

That's what you got to have. Last week, it wasn't his finest outing. It wasn't his best effort turning the ball over. And when you're depleted somewhat down on the offensive side of football, look, yeah, they're running the football, but those guys aren't C-Mac. Those guys just, they can't just do what he does, Ocho. Hold on, hold on, man.

Hold on. Jordan Mason numbers look just as good as C-Mac numbers at the same time last year. But see, that's. So is it really C-Mac or is it the scheme in the offense and in the play that Kyle Shanahan is calling? Chat, y'all stay with me a little bit. Look at C-Max numbers to week five and look at Jordan

Mason's number to week five. I mean, it might be equivalent. It might be a little bit more. I'm not sure what the production is. I might be off by a little bit, but it ain't too far off. So it got me thinking, well, can you is this a put it in plug or put anybody in type situation at running back in Seattle? I mean, not Seattle, in San Francisco.

Because it seems like whoever's back there in that system, they get it goddamn done. I'll give you a prime example. I know this system very well. You look at all the guys that came after TD. You look at Clint Portis. You look at Mike Anderson. You look at Reuben Drones.

You look at all the guys those guys could get yards TD could run you to a Super Bowl right that's the difference yeah those guys can get yards Christian McCaffrey run you to the NFC Championship game he can run you to a Super Bowl he ain't offensive player he wasn't offensive player of the year now which one of those guys they have comparable numbers gonna be offensive player of the year. Now, which one of those guys they have comparable numbers going to be offensive player of the year? Because he had those numbers and 20 touchdowns. You see the difference? Now I can put him in a situation. But you got to think.

Now we're comparing what he did in a full season, and we're looking at a small sample size of what Jordan Mason has been able to do. So I'm trying to say what happens if Jordan Mason has a 16-week season based on his production so far? Yeah. What if it didn't get hurt? He left the goddamn game with 70 or 93-something yards. And he on 14-something carries.

So what happened? He played the whole game. Touchdowns. Christian McCaffrey had touchdowns. So you win with scores, not yards. And he can do so much more, too, outside of just running out the goddamn back. I can throw him the ball. Yeah.

It's hard to set your defense. Are you going to hand it to him, or are they going to throw it to him? Right. The likelihood of them throwing the ball to Jordan Mason on something other than a screen. It might not be his thing. That ain't happening, though, Joe. But give the 49ers credit. They needed

this ball game on a short week. A very, very tough loss last week to Arizona. They were up late by double figures late in the fourth quarter, if I'm not mistaken, and they found a way to lose that ball game. Give Arizona credit. Kyler Murray and his team made plays, but they wanted to get that taste out of their mouth.

They had lost, if I'm not mistaken, they had lost to the Rams, and they had already lost to the Cardinals. You don't want to lose three. Didn't they lose to the Rams? I think they lost to the Rams and they had already lost to the Cardinals. You don't want to lose three. Didn't they lose to the Rams? I think they lost to the Rams. So that was two division losses. A third division loss, Ocho, so early? They'd be behind the eight ball like a

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It's an honest prerogative to make that decision. And clearly that's what he decided to do. But there have been a lot of things that have been kind of confusing. It hasn't been a great situation for the Jets this year. You can kind of feel that it's been kind of a chill. Listen, Woody Johnson know damn well that wasn't his goddamn call. Come on now. The Jets are two and three.

We all know. Listen, they both had a book. Robert Sala had a book, and Aaron Rodgers had a book. Neither one of them was on the same page. We know that. We can see the body language, the mannerisms. They weren't on the same page. When they did the press conference talking about the cadence, they weren't on the same page. We know that. We can see the body language, the mannerisms. They run on the same page. When they did the press conference, talking about the cadence,

they run on the same page. A quarterback and head coach are always on the same page at all times. They did not get along. Aaron Rodgers needs to take accountability, which he has done, for his play. The Jets are 2-3 right now. The goddamn Jets was 2-3 with

Zach Wilson last year at the same time, at the weak five point. What? Yeah, hold on. Stay with me now. I know you want to jump on me about that, but I'm just saying. So, hey, based off that, you might as well have stuck with Zach. Aaron Rodgers has to play better.

The defense is playing well. They're playing okay. I'm not saying they're playing lights out like they were last year, but it is early in the season. I'm sure saying they're playing lights out like they were last year, but it is early in the season. I'm sure they're going to get better as the season goes on. But we need a little bit more of the Aaron Rodgers of old. Yeah.

That's it. We need a little bit more. The mistakes, the interceptions. You can't do it. You're killing your team. You're killing your team. When has he gotten along with any coaches? When's the last time he got along with coaches?

You know what's funny? When I think about it, this is the first time I've seen him outside of Green Bay, and I'm not sure him and Matt LaFleur didn't get along. Oh, you really? When he went on there and told that, when Matt LaFleur kicked a field goal on fourth down, and he said, oh, and the tirade, what he had on the sideline, you thought he got along with Matt LaFleur?

Yes, I didn't see that. I didn't remember that. I didn't remember that. But I saw Salah try to hug him after throwing a touchdown, and him push him off and give him that look. And I'm like, you know what? Oh, he don't like him. Oh, he definitely don't like him.

I knew there was a lack of respect for his coach when he skipped that goddamn minicamp. Oh, Joe, why are we making a big deal about that? All I know is the people told me that was not a big deal. It's a big deal because if it's anybody else, your ass would have got cut. Oh, fine. Your ass would have got cut.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me ask you a question. Go ahead. What happened if Lamar Jackson had skipped goddamn minicamp? your ass would have got cut. Your ass would have got cut. Hold on, hold on. Let me ask you a question. Go ahead. What would happen if Lamar Jackson had skipped a goddamn minicab? A mandatory? Mandatory minicab. Come on now. Stay with me.

Alright? Come on, Ocho. You know what the boy... I'm just throwing it out there for a little bit of context. Just a little bit of context. Just a little bit of context. I don't need no context. I've been saying it. Oh, Shannon, you hate that man. You hate that man. When I've been one of Estancia's defenders, his ability to throw the football

is unquestioned. I question some of the things that he does that are not conducive to winning and leadership. You cannot have that guy on a mandatory minicamp unless it is an absolute emergency.

You go into Egypt, I mean, what are you, a dignitary? You trying to bring peace to the Middle East? That's the only reason I will excuse that. Hold on. What did you say? Is he a what? A dignitary? Yes. If he can bring peace to the Middle East, by all means, go take as much time as you need.

Right, right, right. But mandatory means that is required. Volunteer means you volunteer. You come if you want to. It's just like when you volunteer to do charity work, you volunteer. Now, if you do something, they will adjust. The criminal justice system will if you do something, they will, the criminal justice system will demand you do community service. You see? You see how they do that? He's required

to do 50 hours, 100 hours community service. Oh, Shannon volunteered at Goodwill. Shannon volunteered at the homeless mission. You see the difference? But everybody made excuses. See, what y'all fit, this is what I was like, fans.

Y'all make excuses. When O'Shea, I get it. I get it. Let me take that back, Coach. I'm sorry. It's the messenger. Y'all ain't got no, it's the messenger

that's giving you the message. Because had Coach Belichick, had anybody else said exactly what I've been saying, nobody would have had a problem with it. But it's because O'Shea said it. And y'all don't like when Shea be right. And I don't want to pat myself on the back.

But Mary Porter once told me, said, boy, you got two good hands. You don't need nobody to pat you on the damn back. Pat yourself on the back. Yeah. I've been trying to tell y'all for the longest. Y'all see what y'all want to do. Y'all try to see what a lot of times what they'll try to do, Ocho, is that they'll try to undercut you and try to make it about something else.

That's what they try to do. But y'all can't fool O'Shea because I've been in the locker room. I've been a leader in locker rooms. Ocho, you ain't in that locker room. And then when it comes out, oh, oh, oh, no, no. But when I said that, it wasn't a problem. It was a problem. Now, what's being said

everywhere? Yeah. It's just... A head coach always needs his quarterback not just as a leader, but to actually lead by example.

He got to buy in because if he don't, nobody else will. He got to be the one to buy in because if the quarterback didn't buy in, then everything else is fragmented. Everything else is fragmented. That's why the quarterback position is so important and him doing all the right things because as he goes, everybody else goes. The moment it was mandatory minicamp and he didn't show up,

Robert Sala had no more authority. Oh, yeah, most definitely. Well, he had little to begin with. Yeah, because of who it is. That, and think about what they did to get him. They're flying back and forth from New York to California. They're courting, they're basically begging this man to come and save us. So Aaron already

knows he's going in with a lot of power. Just like Tom. That's why Tom was able to go get Gronk. That's why he was able to go get Antonio Brown. And the funny thing about it, we talk about two different mindsets. Yes. We had two totally different mindsets. One is totally team and the other is

all about self. Bingo. One is about team and one that was all about self bingo one was about team and the other was all about self Tom went there with one goal in mind yes I'm getting me another one and bought all the way in he was that mandatory, voluntary matter of fact he was there when he was supposed to be there

yeah Tom Brady bless you you don't want to cover you don't worry about it supposed to be there. Yeah. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady. You remember he went to... Bless you. You remember he... You don't want to cover you? Okay, don't worry about it. Oh, Lord have mercy. Ocho, you're supposed to do it until you... And now you want to... When I see you, you want me to dap you up.

Nah, nah. I don't dap up. I don't dap up. I got to fist bump you, Ocho. I'm just letting you know. There you go. Right there. That's what we are right now, Ocho. That's what we are right now. Hey, let me get that hand sanitizer. Where my at let me get that you got some hand sanitizer jordan i'm wet i'm way over here i got ocho i know you but when i see you not oh i'm good no real real real gave me a cold i'm gonna put somebody in your hand then we're gonna dap up first i'm to carry a little bottle with me when I see you. All right, I got you.

I got you. But if you think about it, Ocho, when Tom Brady, Tom Brady, when he went to the Buccaneers. Yes, sir. You remember he got thrown out the park for throwing the ball to his receivers?

This man wanted to be so ingratiated with his teammates, so lock, stepstep and barrel. We can't go to the facility, but we're going to go into the park. But they say, no, you can't gather even in the park. When Peyton Manning signed with the Broncos. Now, see, when it comes to Peyton Manning and the Broncos, see, I ain't telling you what somebody tell you. I'm telling you what I know. I'm telling you what I know.

Just like when I say certain things about the Broncos. Oh, it's we down in Nashville Ocho somebody I guess who had that open oh my bad we'll open it back up but you see the different mindsets between Peyton, Tom Brady and the other guy.

You see the mindset? But see, what happens is is that the more accomplished someone is, people are willing to forgive behavior because of the accomplishment. See, a guy that's not as accomplished, he can't miss. Well, nobody should be able to miss.

That's why they record that's why they call it mandatory and then they made excuses for at first they made excuses and then when they got out it reported that he didn't have an excused absence then it came out and then that's when he started like you know they just slapped something on the end of it no bro everybody know what mandatory is when you get when you go to ota you see that thing okay we got voluntary voluntary and the last one is mandatory it's always been like that it's probably always going to be like that but yeah who's surprised by this who i just want to know jazz fans but you look i get it jazz when you struggle y'all hadn't won a championship since it's fucking oh excuse me since the late 60s early 70s so i get it you're you're. You're starving. You have an unquenchable thirst to be a champion again.

I get that. And so y'all are willing to accept negative behavior. You'll make a deal with the devil. Oh, Joe, when it comes, do I worry about what the payment, what he's asking for later. I just want the deal. So I don't, I don't care. Whatever it is, I'm doing this deal with the devil, whatever he's asking for later, I'm willing to do it. If I get what I wanted to be in the meantime. And then when it comes down to what I got to pay,

what I have to pay that debt off with. Oh, well, I worry about that then, but who's surprised that the Jets are in this situation? I just want to know what rational, sane individual is surprised the Jets are where they

are. You know what? The one thing I can say is even though things aren't good right now, they are 2-3. Oh, they're one game out of the first place? Oh, yeah. If they are to get out of this hole, because the AFC is up for grabs. The AFC is up for grabs. The AFC is up for grabs.

No, it ain't. That division is up for grabs. Oh, you know what I mean. Oh, yeah, the AFC East. I meant to say the AFC East. It's different up for grabs. I agree. I agree.

The Dolphins, we don't know. Josh Allen, obviously, they have to stumble up. Patriots, we ain't even talking about them. Patriots, we not. Man, now they starting Drake May. I don't know why they throwing that rookie out there. I told you. I told you what was going to happen to those stars.

Ocho. Ocho, you not going to win no game, throw it for no 130 yards. You right. Well, hell. You put the rookie in there, think he going to do better? He can't do worse.

You got a left tackle and a right tackle that can't block no goddamn body. So what you think going to happen to him? Well, Drake May is more athletic than Jacoby Brissett. Okay. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. We'll use that. But this is the thing about the Jets. If you are a Jets fan,

this is what I can say about Aaron Rodgers. Even though he look pitiful, even though he look abysmal the last game, he's the type of player that can catch fire. Yeah. That can catch fire and look completely different than what he looked last week. Completely different.

So I'm worried about him, but I'm not worried about him at the same time because I know what he can do. The New York interim head coach, Jeff Ulbrich, who announced that they're shifting Todd Downing to offensive play caller, strip roll from Nathaniel Hackett. In Downing's last stand as OC in Tennessee Titans in 2022, he was fired after the Tennessee Titans finished 30th overall in offense and 28th in points scored.

How do you people get jobs? What did he finish? What number did he finish? 30th in overall offense and 28th in points. And he's supposed to be taking over for the New York Jets who just had a whole game offensively last week? Right. Okay.

I mean, make it make sense. Well, first of all, Nathaniel Hackett got a job and he had never called plays for Green Bay. He got a job because his boy was Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers led the Broncos to believe that if they signed the head coach, he'd be willing to come to the Broncos to believe that if they signed what you call him as the head coach, he'd be willing to come

to the Broncos. Everybody saw Nathaniel Hackett painting on full display. Right. Now, owners say they want somebody that's called plays. He got a job at a franchise having never called plays

okay when he got an opportunity to call plays he was good and terrible he goes hold on hold on Ocho gets the job with the Jets because why Ocho they want one said individual to come play for them.

Right. Now, you tell me the job you're going to get as an offensive coordinator after they saw you call plays in Denver and you were awful. You wasn't even what the elephant left on the showground. And everybody know what the elephant left on the showground. Yeah. Well, we know how you got the job, though. You know who asked for that. And that's why

and also Aaron Rodgers to get on to get on Pat McAfee and say I don't have the power people think I have. Man, who are you fooling, man? Who are you talking to? Dumb-dumbs that actually believe that. Jet fans and Aaron Rodgers supporters that actually

believe that. Come on, man. I don't think people understand how much power he does actually have. I mean, once you look at the scenario of going on the goddamn trip where he's supposed to be at mandatory minicamp, that lets you know who holds all the goddamn cards. But it told me everything I need to know about him.

Because Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes, and Tom Brady would have never done that. It told me everything I needed to know about him. I don't need nobody to tell me about him. See, I see better than I hear. I hear what he says about winning is the most important thing. Like my grandpa used to tell my brother and I, y'all told me y'all going to take that trash out. I still see it sitting over there in the corner.

See, I see better than I hear. I hear what you're saying, but I know what I see. So am I supposed to believe my lying eyes or my listening ears? Right. Told me everything I needed to know about him. Hold on, I gotta

use that one. Am I supposed to be my lying eyes or my listening ears? Am I supposed to believe my lying eyes or my listening ears? But that's the thing, Ocho. All he had to do, all he had to do was just show up. Aggratiate yourself. He and Garrett Wilson are still really not on the same page, Ocho.

No, they're not. They're still not. Hold on. Didn't Garrett Wilson win offensive rookie of the year? How this man win offensive rookie of the year with Zach Wilson, Mike White? Yeah. And Aaron Rodgers, even at this age and as bad as he's played,

is 10, 15 times the player they were ever going to be. Yeah. That's just... Who's throwing him the ball? Joe Flacco might have been throwing him the ball. One thing Joe Flacco could do is throw it now. You got to protect him, Mocho. You got to protect him because he can't move, but he can throw that thing.

Oh, yeah. He ain't moving nowhere. He ain't going nowhere, Ocho. Yeah. But because remember, hold on. On Wednesday, Aaron Rodgers emphatically denied playing a part in Robert Sala's dismissal from the Jets.

During his weekly Pat McAfee show appearance, he said, as far as any of the ridiculous allegations out there, I'm not going to spend more than a sentence in response to it. And that's that. I resent any of those accusations because they are patently false. It's interesting the amount of power that people think I have, which I don't. I love Robert. I love Robert. I love my ex when I'm with him. But guess what, Ocho? I ain't with him. I ain't with him.

I love him. Hey, you know what I wish? What is it? I wish people that were sources always stated who they were and didn't hide. Then you wouldn't get no information. I know. Yeah, you're right. You're right. But listen, I wish when it came to players, I wish they were dishon Then you wouldn't get no information. I know. Yeah, you're right. You're right. But listen, I wish

when it came to players, I wish they were just honest. Yeah. I wish they weren't PC. I wish when it came to quarterbacks and they gave interviews, I wish they really said what they really felt. I wish they really said what they were really thinking. All players are PC. I really

hate that. And I think it would be so much better. The NFL would be so much more authentic and real if people just, even coaches. I wish they just said exactly how they feel about certain players. No. But they don't. I can't say y'all suck. You remember Zim? You remember how Zim, they asked Zim, did he want to say anything to the team?

He said, no, they got me fired. Yeah. Hey, I say it all the time players get coaches fired yes yes on Thursday when asked about the firing and the demotion of offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett

Rogers took the blame he said I play better and this doesn't happen hold on this is not my first time saying it but i went on first take on tuesday and said two of the most worst days of my life is when dan reeves who drafted me but forgot to cut me and wade phillips lost their job because normally when you when a head coach you get fired and you have an interim head coach, Ocho, guess what happens? The staff's gone.

So it's just not one job. What's the likelihood you think those Jets, what's the likelihood of anybody that's on the Jets are returning next year, Ocho? Not happening. Who knows that? And that's what bothered me, Ocho, because I was like, damn. Had I became, and I'm not a quarterback, I'm a tight end, this is the way I think. Had I became the player that

I later became and ended up going into the Hall of Fame, maybe I could have saved their jobs. Maybe I could have. It bothered me. It still does. I taught my position coach in 1993 with Les Stuckel. He lives here in Nashville.

He called me today. Called me sweetheart. He knows all my kids' birthday. He'll always, hey, tell Kayla happy birthday. Tell Kiara. Tell the kids happy birthday. He remembers all of that. Right.

And he was, I invited him to the hall. Anytime I had something going on, I would always invite him. Man, I made the Pro Bowls. I took him and his wife, flew in first class, put them up. All my position coaches, even when I wasn't there. Even when I went to the Pro Bowl in Baltimore, every position coach that coached me, I brought them to the Pro Bowl, them and their wife.

Put them up. It bothered me, Ocho, because I play a role in that coach getting fired. I wasn't doing what I was supposed to do. Right. And I wish more players understood that. It's like, oh, that's part of it. Okay.

But you don't think it's part of it. You don't just think it's part of business when your ass get cut. You don't think it's part of it. Oh, man, they did your boy dirty, blah, blah, blah. No, no, no. It's a part of the game. It's a part of the game. If it's a part of the game, it's a part of the game.

Right. But I just, I just, he said, I play better. Rodgers has completed 61% of his passes, 1,093 yards, seven touchdowns, and four interceptions. His QBR of 49.1 ranks 21st in the NFL.

The Giants offensively are ranked 27th in yards per game, 286. 23rd in points per game, 18.6 through the first five games of the season. It's just, bro, I'm like, I just wish he got it. But you know what? Here's the problem that he has. He's so arrogant.

He's so pompous. He's so cavalier that he believes that if you're not Peyton Manning, if you're not Tom Brady, or you're not someone of the upteenth order, you should not have an opinion on how he plays. You should have opinion on his leadership because he feels that you're beneath him because you didn't play this position. So how how dare you critique me? I don't believe it is my belief and I could be on on an Island by myself that no one is beyond reproach. They're not,

they're not at all at all. And you know, I don't ever talk about nobody, but man, say you got, they got to be said, if you got me talking and saying what it is and what needs to be done, it needs to be fixed and chastising it, you know something's wrong.

For sure. Everybody knows. But a lot of people because you want to have a relationship with, say, a player. If I see a player, I want to run over there and dab me up. Hey, man. Hey, you want a drink? Blah, blah, blah.

I'm good. Nah, I think I owe it to them to say what I see. I don't have... Have I seen a lot of players that I critique and they pretend like they don't see me? Yep. And I pretend like I don't see them too. We both pretending.

What happened? They want to beat you up, huh? I ain't worried about that. I already worry about that. I don't carry myself in that way, Ocho. They know I got a job to do. It ain't nothing personal. I'm talking about

your play on the field. I'm going by my business. Nah, it ain't no beatings. Well, let me know. I'm the enforcer. If anybody, listen, throughout this year, we only in week five now.

We got a long way to go now. If anybody, like, feeling a little frog and they want to leap, I could be your enforcer. If anybody, listen, throughout this year, we only in week five now. We got a long way to go now. If anybody, like, feeling a little frog and they want to leave, I could be your enforcer. No, you got to worry about James Harrison. You take care of James Harrison. Salt's Garden says it's not. Take care of who? James.

Who's that? Deebo. Yeah, okay. Salt's Garden says it's not Salah's fault on team struggles. It's the team's. If if i'm being honest we're doing it for him now sauce i think you might be i think the defense might be i think the other side i don't know but anyway garden also said solid change my life which is why we we uh we text the coach i appreciate you every year on his birthday yeah i mean I mean, that's dope. I like Sauce for speaking out,

but Sauce will understand quick. I think it's early for him. I think Sauce is only in his second year, right? Third. Third, he'll understand the nature of this business. You know, it gets dirty, it gets grimy. This is not the first coach that's going to leave. You know, while he's playing for a team,

he'll understand that. What Sauce needs to understand, the problem is on the other side of the ball. It is. Because if you look at the Jets' defense, statistically, in almost every category, they within the top five. Yeah.

I know it's still early in the season. They are two and three, but the Jets' defense is in the top five in almost every statistical category. The problem is the offense. And I know Sauce is a teammate. You don't want to say anything, throw your teammate under the bus. But we are saying for you, your quarterback needs to play better.

It's really simple. He just needs to play better. Because they said that the Jets are a quarterback away from being a serious threat in the AFC, being a contender. The quarterback hasn't played well. It's okay to acknowledge that and say, you know what? They haven't played well.

Or, you know, hey, but we know that. It's not like we're breaking news. Ocho, we got a ticker. Our ticker just made his debut, so everybody that's in the chat, y'all gonna see the ticker strolling along down the bottom. Hold on, let me look at the chat. Let me look at the chat. Hold on, hold on.

I don't see it. It's on the video, Ocho. Oh, look at... Oh, boy, we got a ticker, boy. Yeah. We got a ticker. Yes, we do, Ocho. Oh, boy, we... Oh, boy, we big time, boy. Yeah. We got a ticker. Yes, we do, Ocho. Oh, boy, we big time, boy. Yeah. Big time. We got a ticker.

Yeah, for saying, we got a ticker. Yeah, you hear that? Yeah, that's us. I see it. Arizona at Green Bay, 1 p.m. Eastern in Tennessee. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. That's what. Okay. Yeah. I like that. You know, we're slowly becoming now. You know, it's going to take a while, but you know, we're going to get it right. We're going to make sure we're going to have the best. Oh, yeah. I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that.

Yeah. So, uh, Russell Wilson is optimistic about potentially playing on sunday for the first time during the 2024 season there we go let's go confident that i'd be ready to play and ready to play at a high level i think we're being really smart too uh and trying to understand how it feels it's my first week really back with the guys and i feel really confident about that mike Tomlin said earlier in the week that there are multiple variables.

He's weighed the decision throughout the week of practice, but the door is ajar, which means ajar, Ocho, which means slightly open. Wilson to be active on Sunday. You know, you always want me to use the word in the sentence. Russ, I played a lot of

football games and there have been a lot of moments. I don't fear them getting ready to go back and rock and roll. Yeah, I like it. I like Russ getting the opportunity to play. I know Justin Fields has played somewhat good this year. They started 3-0. They lost the last two.

But offensively, it's not like they've been this awesome juggernaut of an offense that's top three in the NFL, putting up outstanding, crazy numbers where a change of the quarterback position would really affect the Steelers. Right. I like Russell Wilson, my personal preference, even though I'm not a Steeler fan for that offense based on his resume. His last year endeavor was not that bad. Chad, if you look at the stats, you look at his numbers, his last year endeavor was not that bad chat if you look at the stats you look at his numbers his last year endeavor it wasn't that bad it was good it was decent maybe not the rust that led the goddamn seahawk to the super bowl but if we can get a rust of old anywhere near the rust of old when you don't turn the ball over and you just do what we ask of you and not put the ball

in the hands of the other team, they will be just fine. They will be just fine. Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what... And get George Pickens a goddamn ball. Okay, well since you go there, speaking for the first time since Sunday night loss to the Cowboys, George

Pickens just misquestioned about his explicit message on his eye black in the post game incident with George Lewis. What it say? Pickens wore eye black that read open effing always for the game. And after the game ended, failed hook and lateral attempt, Pickens yanked down

Lewis by his face mask as Lewis ran by him and appeared to say something. Pickens said he was unaware of the policy. Never seen it before, he said. Have you seen it before? Yes. When it was pointed out that Cameron Hayward had been fined in 2015 for writing on his late father's

name when his eye black, Pickens was dismissive. Years ago, he said, when I wasn't in the league, so nah. And asked what happened with Lewis after the game, Pickens said nothing. Hey, it wasn't nothing. A little big deal.

You know, Lewis went by him, you know, talking to the trash. He snatched him up real quick by the face mask. You know, sometimes people, you know, they like to step on your toe because they know you really can't do nothing. So he didn't do nothing, you know, too bad to him. Just, man, stop playing with me, man. But, you know, I didn't know that either you heard the eye black thing

it's not something that I would do but the curse word I never knew that is much cursing be going on out there boy when we playing you can curse but you can't display it hey he spelled it all the way out or was, I didn't get a chance to see it?

Sometimes. Lord have mercy. Sometimes I'm one of these kids, I'm like, bro, y'all graduated high school and went to college. Yeah, yeah. Bro, you know the NFL ain't letting you write nothing on no iBlack. They don't let you write no thing, no nothing. Hey, normally, you know the NFL ain't letting you write nothing on no iBlack. They don't let you write no thing, no nothing. Hey, normally, you know what's funny? Now that I think about it, how the hell if I did something or I was dressed,

my dress code was inappropriate, you know the NFL officers would call down and tell me even in-game, they would come to me on the sideline and tell me to change it. Remember the long streamer towels y'all used to wear in college? I would wear streamer towel, not the NFL issue towel. I had a long towel. I cut the towel in the bathroom.

It gotta be regular. It gotta be about this long. That NFL towel was about that long. My towel came all the way down to my knee. Remember when I used to put on the black chin strap or the orange chin strap? It had to be white. Man, go. Man, tell Ocho

man, take that off. So I'm surprised that you didn't let him play the whole game with the damn eye black. Yeah. I think you're right. I think the thing is, Ocho, is that when you look at it, is that you would think a person would be smart enough not to use an explicit...

That? That? I mean, come on, bro. you would think a person would be smart enough not to use an explicit that I mean come on bro I understand I mean they find Cam for writing a message about his dad when his dad passed so they find him you think they gonna let you write something explicit speaking of fines

John Kittner when he was my quarterback in 2003 maybe 2002 before Carson got John Kittner, when he was my quarterback in 2003, no, maybe 2002, before Carson got there. Kittner, super duper religious. Super duper. Had on a hat. In the media.

All they had was a cross on the front. They find him. It's way back in 2002. They found John Kittner. Not when you do it. Hold on. First of all, any media, that's an NFL event. It better be NFL approved.

We're the one that got that done away with because at the Super Bowl, we wore EAS products. That wasn't EAS. Think about everybody had those hats. They paid our team lots and lots of money to wear t-shirts, hats,

so forth and so on. And then a couple of years later, Brian Urlacher did it. They ended up buying Urlacher like a couple hundred thousand dollars because he had something that wasn't NFL sanctioned. So anything that's NFL, like you

had a press conference, Ocho, you were in the locker room, that's NFL, like you had, you had a press conference, Ocho, you had, you know, you in the locker room, that's the NFL. That's the NFL turf. It better have Gatorade.

It better have Nike. It better have something that the NFL is getting some money out of. Cause if it's not, you better not put that on. Right. You better not put that on. Now you can have a state farm because State Farm is the official sponsor or something that's NFL has got a buck, got a hand in.

But I'm not surprised. I'm surprised that the George Pickens didn't know. First of all, even if you didn't know, bro, you think they're going to let you. Oh, so they finding guys for doing the throat. Remember, they made you cut out the throat slash. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they made you cut out the throat slash they made you they made you cut out they made you cut out anything that people might

screw with being violent and you thought say you know what I ain't know I couldn't write no explicit on my eye black hey listen you know what it might be an honest mistake knowing George he don't pay them rules no man okay let me ask you a question where you think what sporting event that you that you play you are a participant in that you could write an explicit explicit language on something

and it's gonna be okay you think you can write that on your on your wristband in the nba what about your batting glove in baseball? You know what? I might be able to put some tape on my tennis racket and say, F all. F all, y'all. Really? Come on, Ocho Da. You know you can't write nothing like that. And he gonna put F in?

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Doudle? Doudle. Rico Doudle. Per Clarence Hill, Elliott is apparently dumbfounded by the lack of opportunity and has spoken to coaches regarding his role. Zeke has rushed for a career-low 3.3 yards per carry, 98 yards on 30 carries. He also has just six passes for 36 yards.

Donald, the team's number one running back at this junction, has been the most effective. He's rushed for 221 yards on 54 carries and caught 11 passes for 101. My only thing is, Zeke, what did they tell you upon your return?

Did they tell you? If you're coming on a return, you should understand that your production isn't going to be like it was when you first got there. And you're definitely not going to be the number one based on your return. You know that already. They don't have to tell you anything. I guess they do. Understand the business. Understand how the game works.

I can't think of too many running backs, especially at that position, that went from one team, went somewhere else and came back. And still expected to be the main guy. Still expected to get the same amount of opportunities and carries to be able

to be productive. That's not the way it works. They're going to overdoscore the younger and fresher legs every time and put you in sparingly. Do you remember what Zeke was doing last year in Dallas? There's a reason why they let him go. He was hurt. He had that big-ass knee

brace on. Remember? Yes. And guess what, Ocho? He's two years older. Yeah. Oh, hey, listen. His last year in goddamn New England wasn't that bad, now. No, it wasn't bad when it comes from touchdowns. Oh, yeah.

What was Zeke's numbers in New England? I don't think he had every four yards to carry, Ocho. He might have. Ash is looking it up right quick. Yeah, man. I mean, he's going to get you some tough yardage now. You know, 31 to 4th and 1. He can back it.

He's falling forward. He's falling forward every time. Yeah. 184 carries 642 yards 3.5 yards a carry right now he's 3.3 yeah

so what am I missing Ocho I need you to enlighten me I know what he's missing he's missing more opportunities to get that bitch from a goddamn 3.5 to a 6 Ocho that's what he's missing. He's missing more opportunities to get that bitch from a goddamn 3.5 to a 6. Ocho. That's what he's missing. Opportunities.

All you got to do, look at his numbers. They dip every year. Yards have come down every year, Ocho. And that position, that's not a position that you dip every year and then all of a sudden you springboard back up. It's just not how it works in that position. He has more carries on those legs. He has more hits on that

body. Yeah, you're right. It is what it is. And it's okay. But like I said, I need to know what was promised to him. Okay, Zeke, you're going to be the guy like you once were. You're going to be our bell cow

back. You're going to be our first. You're going to get the lion's share of the snaps. You're going to get the lion's share of the care. I need to know what was promised to him, Ocho. Then I can better assess because I'm looking at it and I'm not. This is what I thought he would be.

I think the fact that I don't even think they promised anything. They ain't bringing you back and telling you what your role is going to be. You're coming back. You really don't have any leverage because you're not that guy right now. And, you know, you can't come in there and be like and force the issue. Hey, I think I need more carries. I need more carries. I need more opportunities. You know, I think the more opportunities he get,

the better they might be off with him offensively. The numbers wouldn't prove. I think that 3.5 would go from a 3.5 to a 6 if you get more opportunities. The less you give him, the worse the numbers are going to look. Ocho, he's not that anymore. Ocho, his yards per carries have come down every year. But, Joe, he's not that anymore, Ocho. His yards per carries have come down every year.

I'm not saying he's not young Zeke. I'm not saying he's Ohio State Zeke, you know, with the stomach out, with the abs on. I'm not saying, you know, I'm not saying he is. Yeah. But, you know, I mean, he can. Yeah, he used to have abs. Now he got a pony keg.

Now he don't have that shirt rolled up no more, do we, Ocho? Oh, shoot. I mean, Ocho, the yards per carry, the average, the total yards have come down every year. Ocho, he's not what he once was, and a lot of times, we're

the last one to see what we've actually become. Because we've been great, and Ocho, in our eyes, sometimes it's hard for you to see because you only see

the reflection of what you used to be. That's it. That's it. That's it, Ojo. I ain't even going to write that down, but that's a good one. Ocho. What you used to be.

Yeah. I used to be that boy. I was that guy, Ocho, when I was younger. I'm reminiscing right now. Man, I'd take a tie, a swinging boot, Ocho. I would swing to hang the boot on the tree and swing it.

From 15 yards away, I could pee in it. Nah, I'd pee on my hand. I'm just saying, Ocho. I'm trying to keep it real with you, Ocho. I'm just... I gotta keep a towel on the floor. At night, I ain't hit the toilet yet. I keep a towel on the floor I ain't hit the toilet yet I keep a towel on the floor

I'm just saying Ocho you have to accept yeah sometimes sometimes it's hard sometimes it's hard because right now you know how I be

I think I can do it I think I can do every goddamn thing even at 56 I go in the gym sometimes and I put that weight on there

I was like man I'm like I'm going to do man let me take this man I ain't man I ain't 35 no more man let me take this

every ass you know can't do it huh yes man I was doing them dumbbells. I had Jordan. I said, Jordan, I'm going to get these dumbbells right here. Man, I hit like three.

I said, Jordan, probably about a month, Jordan. I'd be about eight or ten of these things. Right. Man, it's been two months. I walk by and look at them. Man, I'm not feeling to hurt myself. I know. Right.

I did that. I'm okay notna hurt myself. I know. Right. I did that. I'm okay not doing it anymore. Now I'm a rep specialist. I used to put all that heavy weight on there and do two, three, four reps. Now I tend to 12. Hit them 10 to 12. Light, light, light. Get on up out of there.

Out of there. Something to stimulate the muscle. I stimulate. I don't annihilate. I annihilate other things. But you know what I'm saying, Ocho? The muscle, I stimulate. Right. The hoo-ha, I annihilate.

You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Right, right. There you go. That was a good one. Ocho, there's a viral video of Dak destroying his Texas mansion so he can build a new one Dak spoke today on how he doesn't

appreciate the coverage around his home renovation project that drew national attention we can't show that can we we can't show it Ocho because we don't want to get no copyright it's fine I'm sure everybody else saw it but Dak definitely has to understand you're the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys

if someone is recording anything that you're doing it's going viral it's going viral you know what you're going to get you've got to understand what comes with the territory Dak you know that I can't wait to see it.

Invite me over. I'll bring you a gift. Nice little housewarming gift. You know what I think it is, Ocho? I think the thing is that when normally we see people like that, man, they got so much money, they tear the house down. Man, that's a million dollar home that they tear down to build on

top of it. And so it kind of puts Dak like, because you know what the first thing happens. Some Ocho, you go buy a car. Man, you know how many people starving in the world and Ocho buying a $200,000 car. Right. So if I didn't buy the car,

how many people in the world would be starving if I didn't buy this car? That same $200,000? That's what I'm saying. People always have ideas of what you should do with your money. would be starving to buy anybody's car. That same $200,000? That's what I'm saying. People always have ideas of what you should do with your money. Your money, yeah. Okay.

I'm like, come on people. Just because somebody wants to get some enjoyment out of their lives and you're not in a position where you can financially or go buy a car or go take a vacation or do X, Y, and Z. That don't mean you should try to poo-poo on somebody else because they can.

And that's the first thing. Somebody gave a million dollars. That's all? He gave a million more than you. You didn't give 10. Man, if I know you wouldn't. No, you wouldn't. Everybody always talk about if I'd have had this, this is what I would do. No, you don't. No, you wouldn't. Everybody always talk about if I had this, this is what I would do.

No, you don't. No, you know, they wouldn't. Of course not. But it's easy to say. It's easy to say what you would do when you don't got it. When you when you don't have to be put to the test to show. Yeah, man. If I had that, man, I would do X, Y, Z.

Bro, you get your income tax check and it's gone before you even see it. So when you do get a little money, you're not doing what you say you're going to do. That's what it bothers me with people. I ain't got no problem with that. That's if I like the area that I live in. I like where I am. You know what?

I'm going to tear this down instead of going and trying to pay, you know what, another three, four million dollars just for a plot of land. I could just tear this house down. That was probably seven hundred thousand. I got a big enough plot of land. I'll be right on top of this. And listen, what you got to understand, too, is it not as expensive as we may think. We talk about Dallas. We talk about Houston. I don't care.

Do you understand how inexpensive, how much bang for your buck you get in Dallas for a house? Yes. Ocho. Houston, how much bang for your buck you get for something

here in Miami? Let's say a house on Star Island right now. Man, please. A crazy house on Star Island that costs $28, $30 million. You can get something like that in Dallas or Houston for five

yes huge I'm like what man what the Ocho you know why it don't bother me cause what Dak doing don't none of that come out my pocket yeah yeah

I remember and I'm sure you can attest to this, when you were younger and didn't have no money and you heard what somebody paid for a car or somebody paid for jeans or a watch, you're like, man, I would never do that. And when you got some money, you could.

Guess what? You were the guy that said you would never be. Man, ain't no way in hell I'd pay $200,000. I can't. They're going to get me from point A to point B. Point B. A what? That tail of time?

Yep. That's exactly what I'm going to do. I don't get mad at what people do with their money. I get mad if somebody squanders somebody else's money. Right. That's what I get. Your money? Ocho, whatever you do with the 50-11 jobs and checks, if

Ocho say, you know what, I'm going to cash all these checks and I'm going to burn this money. I'm going to think you're a damn fool. But that's Ocho money. He made it. I don't get mad at people for doing with their money or choosing the lifestyle that they live.

They got nothing to do with me. I ain't losing no sleep. I don't lose sleep. I don't sleep well anyway, but I don't lose sleep about anything because guess what? I ain't trying to keep up with the Joneses. You're trying to keep up with the Joneses. The Joneses are sleeping good

because they know how they're going to pay for that. You done got all this ish and you don't know how to pay for it. I sure hope this happens. I sure hope that happens. You know what's scary, too? When you think about it, especially in this economy or just in general,

when there are people that are trying to keep up with the Joneses that don't make the Joneses money or don't have the kind of revenue coming in like the Joneses that don't make the Joneses money or don't have the revenue coming in. Like the Jones, those individuals scare me because they will do anything, anything to be able to keep up and maintain a lifestyle that they know they can't afford.

Yes. That, that, that's, that scares me. Yeah. You, you're absolutely right. Someone that is willing to do anything. Yeah.

When it comes to women. When it comes to women. I mean, obviously, you know, my situation is, just saying in general, women that want to look a certain way. Yeah. Knowing you don't make that kind of money. Mm-hmm.

Impossible. There's only one way to get it. And you're willing to go to any length to make sure you maintain and be able to portray that lifestyle. How'd you look? That's scary. How'd you look? Because I don't forget.

Hey. How'd you look at Ojo? That's scary, boy. I got a couple of dollars on me. Hey. Even swap ain't no Yeah, I know. I'm with you when you're right. I'm just saying that type of dollars on me. Hey. Yeah, I know. I'm with you when you're right. I'm just saying that type of stuff scared me. Yeah, for sure.

Just the thought of it. You go, you do anything. You'll cross me. Just to be able to, you know. Oh, yeah. Man. You're right. I stay around that, boy. Yeah, yeah.'ve just i'm that's how i am i live with it my means i got what i got man that's all yeah man you don't wear nothing man

if i was i'm comfortable in this yeah yeah y'all won't y'all want somebody to be dressed with three piece suit y'all want somebody to be uh uh lb Bro, I'm at the gas station. LB who? LB down. You know what? It's okay. Every blue moon. It's okay to treat yourself. It's okay.

But every goddamn time you step out of the house, you in high fashion, looking like the goddamn mannequin. Come on. Yeah. But it's the women like that, Ocho. They can't go out the house unless they got on makeup, got everything to the nine.

I like... We going to a rest... We going to a restaurant where the most expensive thing on the menu is $45. Yeah. And you got to dress like that? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. What you wearing? Oh, you going to get dressed? Oh, you gonna get dressed? You looking at what I'm wearing. That's it. Ta-da. What? This all I got for you.

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