Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Notre Dame wins Orange Bowl, Tyreek Hill backpedals, can Brady rebuild Raiders?

Episode Date: January 10, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Marcus Freeman and Notre Dame taking down James Franklin and Penn State with a late field goal in the College Football Playoff Semifinal to advance to the National Championship game. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Tyreek Hill's agent saying the Miami WR is “committed” to Dolphins despite his postgame comments,  Unc and Ocho debate if Tom Brady can rebuild the Las Vegas Raiders back to their glory days.  and much more!03:13 - Show start03:52 - Intro06:40 - Penn State vs Notre Dame26:35 - Tyreek Hill40:10 - NFL Sportsmanship Memo49:40 - Raiders fire GM(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Easily. This is what you hope. This is what you hope for, Ocho. All you wanted to come down to a couple of plays here and there. Not these blowouts that we got in the first round. Not what we got with Georgia and Notre Dame, but these are the type of games that when the committee put it together they were hoping for. Maybe they hoped for

it a little earlier, but they got it in the semifinals. Hopefully we can get another one of these tomorrow night with Texas and Ohio State. We'll talk about that a little later, Ocho. Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know me, your favorite uncle. As you watch Notre Dame take down Penn State,

27-24 with a late field goal with about 10 seconds left in the ballgame, and they win the ballgame. The guy right there is Liberty City legend, Bengals Ring of Fame honoree, the pro bowler, the all-pro. That's Chad Ochocinco Johnson. Please make sure

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paperwork? We got to do a little paperwork because Notre Dame wins the Orange Bowl and advances to the national title game. Mitch Jeter kicked a 41-yard field goal in the Orange Bowl in the final seconds to give Notre Dame a

27-24 victory over Penn State, and they will face the winner of the Texas-Ohio State game, Mojo. Look, this game turned out to be very exciting. Yeah. Considering the limitations of the quarterbacks. Yes. Me personally, and this is not to try to disparage anyone,

but I think both quarterbacks are limited. Yeah. Both quarterbacks have limitations that limit what we – but because both – it wasn't like one quarterback was better than the other and we got it lopsided because both of them was limited we got a hell of a ball game

bingo because of that listen the game ended the way people if you travel if you pay the amount of money you pay

to come all the way to Miami to the Hard Rock Stadium to watch Notre Dame versus Penn State you got your money's worth you got your money's worth and You got your money's worth. I know Penn State fans might be upset that they're going home, but the way the game came

out and the announcers jinxed the quarterback for Penn State towards the end of the game because one of the first things they said as soon as they got the ball back was he doesn't turn the ball over much and he hasn't all season long. And what do you think the first goddamn thing he does when he goes back to throw the ball? Pick. Interception.

As soon as the interception happened, I said, you know what? That's it right there. Notre Dame just has to make a few plays, get a few yards, get in field goal range for, is it Miss Jeter? Is that a name? It's Jeter. I mean, you know, plays get a few yards get in field goal range for is it miss jeter is that is that is the name

this jeter i mean you know like carm like carmelita jeter spells her name the same way but it says g he said jeter yeah like derrick jeter she says jeter so we'll go with jeter let's go whatever all right what did they say what did i could i don't hear the sound so what did they say i i i can't remember i remember i can't remember. I remember the Mitch part. I remember the Mitch part. But I know one thing. I don't know if he's married. I don't know if he has a girlfriend.

But boy, look here. After making a game winning field goal like that, take your school to the national championship for anything you want. Anything you want in South Bend where you never got to pay ever. Oh, yeah. He good. He good. You don't have to pay for a thing again. And mind you,

the kicking game, the Notre Dame kicking game was one of the worst in the, is it FBS? Yes. Yeah, they weren't that great at it. You know, despite the record. But congratulations to Notre Dame.

Congratulations. What's, ah, ah, God, there's one more person. Matter of fact, congratulations to Ryan Clark. Marcus, oh, I thought uh, ah, God, is this one more person? Matter of fact, congratulations to Ryan Clark's son. Marcus. Oh, I thought you were going to say, uh, Marcus Freeman.

Marcus Freeman as well. Ryan Clark's son also playing for Notre Dame. Congratulations to him as well. I'm excited, but I can tell you, I can tell you who they're going to have to play already. I can tell you that right now. Mm-hmm. Ohio. Ohio State.

Yeah, absolutely. Listen, as great as yours is, as great as Texas is, as good as that Texas defense is, they ain't finna be able to do nothing to the boys in Ohio State. Well, we know when Ohio State plays,

if Ohio State, if everybody plays their best, Ohio State's the best team. Absolutely. But it doesn't matter. Right. Are you gonna play your best when it matters? Right.

Because we saw them lose to Michigan on their home field when they were a three-touchdown favorite. So anything can happen. Ocho, look. And this is why I tell people this. Riley Leonard turned the ball over twice. Aller turned the ball over once. Which turnover was more costly?

The one? That's what I be trying to tell y'all. When y'all look at stats. Oh, he threw for five touchdowns. Oh, he threw 400 yards. But he had a turnover late in the ball game. You see the difference? And it costs.

You see the difference? One guy had two. The other guy had one. But the guy that turned the ball over one time, his turnover was more costly than the guy that turned it over twice. And so that's why you watch the ball game and look at the ball game. I'm watching these, and I tweeted early. I said, bro, these quarterbacks leave a lot to be desired.

I mean, they just sailing the ball. I'm like, damn. I'm like, whoo these quarterbacks leave a lot to be desired i mean they just sailing the ball i'm like damn i'm like whoo but i thought notre dame got away from the run game early in the in the first half they got away from the run game mojo yeah but if you see the way they started to get the second half run run run path run run touchdown let's get back to what we do listen bro y'all y'all ain't got a km war y'all don't have to doM. Ward. Y'all don't have Shadur Sanders. Those guys are not just drop back, throw the ball all over the field. They're not capable of that. And Aller, who, Lord have mercy.

He talking about, well, I'm coming back to school. You should. As a matter of fact, you should ask, can you come back for two more years? And after next year, file for a medical redshirt so you can come back again. Because, boy, whoo, Ocho. I mean, they ran the ball 42 times for 204 yards. Great.

Great. You can live, hey, I can live with that. Absolutely. On any day. On any day. Ooh-wee. But look, Ocho, look, it was a situation I wish these guys could have met up

for the national championship. So that way we were assured. It's kind of like Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith. Right. When they met in the Super Bowl that one way, we were going to get a black coach

as the first black coach of the Super Bowl champ. We were going to get that one way or nothing. Right. I look at Marcus Freeman. Marcus Freeman looks like a guy that I would enjoy playing for.

Yeah. He looks like, obviously he knows what the hell he's doing. Yes, sir. But he has that passion. I see the passion in which he coached with when his guys do something good. And even when they make a mistake, he's not by a brow beating them. He's not in their face. Right.

It's a teachable moment for him. He strikes me as a guy that I would really love to play for. Not that I say I wouldn't love to play for Drake Franklin, but he's a little bit more calm, a little bit more stoic. But I love the passion in which Marcus Freeman coaches with. Yeah, Marcus Freeman is the kind of coach that would resonate with the players a lot. You can tell they can relate to him, the passion, the aura, the energy that he has, the energy that he coaches with.

He reminds me of a very, very young Pete Carroll. If you ever watch Pete Carroll on the sidelines, the way he interacts, and he's energetic with the players as well. There are a few coaches that are like that in the NFL and at the collegiate level, but he's one of those that the players will love. And you know what?

If you have to play for him, he's the type of coach you'll run through a wall for. That's exactly what you got tonight. And I think that's one of the reasons why notre dame are in the national championship because it all starts not only from the top but it starts from the coach first it starts from the coach first and it trickles into your players your coaching staff and everybody else so goddamn congratulations notre dame it where they haven't they haven't won a national championship since the 50s? No, 88. 88?

Oh, matter of fact, 88 was with... Lou Holtz. Tony Rice. Yeah, yeah. But the goddamn, oh, that option, boy, huh? Yeah.

Oh, man. But it was a great ball game. Notre Dame. Notre Dame. You know what I like the best is that, you know, and I'm going to – somebody, Brian Kelly is about to catch a stray because he always does this. He always gets his team there and he leaves in the middle.

He did it to Cincinnati. He took the Notre Dame job. He did Notre Dame. He ended up taking the LSU job. Right. I would like to see him win it just for that fact right i brian kelly you he did something that you couldn't do yeah yeah i'm petty i'm petty like that ocho but uh i like marcus freeman he got the job uh the i think the uh the president i don't

think they have i don't know if they have an athletic director but i think there's president jack swarbrick uh hey this is our guy right this is our guy it wasn't all that old hollabaloo make the man jump through hoops yeah he loved what he saw he saw him on campus every day he reinstituted where the guys they go to mass before they go to the game oh joe and when they leave mass they go directly to the stadium you know who cut it out i ain't gonna call his name ryan kelly he cut it out but marcus freeman reinstituted it and they have masks on the road and so forth and so on but i really like marcus freeman i've never met the man but i'm just watching him on the sideline i watch his mannerism i was like yeah uh you're 18 18 year old shanna

sharp could definitely go play for him. Absolutely. I love the passion. I love what he plays, what he stands for, and how his players really, really, really, really like him. And it's like I said, it's not that I don't like James Franklin because I like James Franklin. Had he not, I just hate the situation. I would have liked to see these guys in the national championship game, but unfortunately it worked out the way it did.

Penn State had a really good season, but that quarterback is going to have to get exponentially better. If they're going to get out the way it did. Penn State had a really good season, but that quarterback is going to have to get exponentially better if they're going to get all the way to the top. If they want to go all the way, because your quarterback is going to have to make plays on Joe. He just has to. And you see, Riley Leonard made a couple throws late in the ball game.

Allen didn't make enough. Listen, it all comes down to his decision-making, Coach. That's all it comes down to. And he should have had two interceptions. They called that P.I. That ball was so woefully underthrown. No show in the air. Yeah, but off the line.

No, I ain't talking about that. They called a P.I. on that one. I'm talking about when he was trying to hit his tight end, number 44. And it was underthrown and the dude intercepted it. And they called P.I. on that. Yeah, well, he threw three interceptions, but that was because he held it. And even on that long run, but this was a good game, Ochoa. I did not expect this game to be this good,

looking at the quarterback play and how limited it was. But in the game, I was like, bro, you see all that inside pressure. Run a bubble screen. Yeah. Because you got one on one. You get a block. All you want to do is get in field goal range. Right.

But you hit this bubble screen on Joe. You miss a tackle. You to the house. Yeah. You know, I was saying it looked like Notre Dame almost didn't have an answer for the pressure that Penn State was putting on at the end of the game. They did. Because they got the thing is, I mean, they were getting,

he was fooling them. They thought they was going to come with pressure. They come with a four-man rush and get home. Yeah. That was about the same thing. They're getting home with a three-man rush. They can push him.

They got the backers, the backers in the goddamn A-gap. Like, they coming, but they not coming. So, I don't know. And they made it a little bit more difficult

than it should be. What we, they call it mugging. Yeah. They walk the guys up in the middle and you think inside pressure is coming, but they bring edge pressure. It's still four men, but you think those two coming, they're not coming. They're bailing out and the two outside guys. But Leonard doesn't really have any feel.

I'm like, bro, you don't feel the guy inside? And you step right up and go, and Abdul Carter. I'm like, bro, you got to be able to feel that. The really good ones, they feel it. Listen, Abdul Carter, man, listen. Yeah. Boy, young boy, going to be special, boy. It's something about the-

Well, if you wear that number, you wear that number, you got to be special. Well, listen, it's something about the defensive ends that come out of Penn State that wear the number 11. Special. He's special. He showed the party. I'm mad that his play

wasn't warranted with a W behind it, but he's going to be nice. Yes. Now, he's going to have to work on a counter move because right now

all he's got is the underarm rip. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what he do? Underarm rip every time. Underarm rip. Now, he's going to have to

work on a counter. Go with the bull. Go with the F.A. Come, come, come. Hit him with the Dwight Freeney. Hit him with the Dwight Freeney. Get that inside shoulder spin and get to him. Come, come.

But he's young. He got to have multiple things that he can do. Obviously, playing the deepest end position. I'm not the deepest end, but I understand there are a multitude of things you can do coming off the edge. You can set him outside and bring him back in. You can set him inside and bring him back out.

You can brush. You can rip inside. You can spin. You can come high. You can come low and spin all. Nigga, swap. Yeah.

Listen, there's so many things you can do. You can have in your arm. But they say he's hurt. They say he's dealing with some injuries because if you look at it,

when he came, the one drive they came at the second half he missed he missed a lot a lot of the plays and he went right down the field and when he was on the field

because he was held his first step quick oh he could jump off the ball and that's what those guys you look at Barr Barr wore number 11

you look at Michael Parsons he wore number 11 those guys really get up hey, hey, their first step, and that's what you need to have, that initial quickness to get to the edge. And then once you get to the edge, and he can be it. That's what you got to have. You got to have that pliability, guys that can be it.

You look at a Vaughn Miller. You look at a Derek Thomas. You look at a T.J. Watt. You look at Michael Parsons. You look at guys, even Miles Garrett at his side. Yeah. Brucey. Go back in the studies. I mean, Brucey

damn near be parallel to the ground at 280 pounds. He's strong as hell now. Yeah, but I like the kid. He's going to be a high draft pick. He ain't getting outside the top 10. He might not get out of the top high draft pick. He ain't getting outside the top 10. He ain't getting outside the top 10.

He might not get out of the top five, honestly. He might not. He might not get out of the top five. It all depends on who's drafting in that spot. If somebody falls in love with him and move up. Right, right, right. Go grab him, huh? Yeah.

But, you know, teams, all things being equal, you want the quarterback. Yeah, yeah. You want that guy. Because that's the guy that's going to touch it every time. That's the guy that's going to produce your points. It's only two of them now. True. It's only two of them.

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I see why he won the Mackey Award. Oh, yeah. Makes him stop tight end. He's Award. Oh, yeah. A nation's top tight end. He's big. He can run. Now, the one thing we know about Notre Dame, they're going to keep them some big-ass tight ends that can run and kick.

Oh, yeah. You know, they, I don't know where they get the, hey, can you run? Can you catch the line? You're going to play tight ends. Go to Notre Dame. They keep them. Okay.

I'm talking about six, five, six. I don't think they even care. Yeah, listen. Listen. They keep them. When you think about university, I mean, tight end university as opposed to the moniker that LSU has garnered. Why receive it?

It's either Iowa or Notre Dame. Or Notre Dame, yep. Iowa, Notre Dame. There's something about them in producing tight ends that always fare well. The Midwest. The Midwest. The next level. They get them corn.

They get them corn. They're working on the farm. Uh-huh. They don them corn fairboys that used to work on the farm. They don't care about the coal. But I like them. I like the tight end from Penn State. Got great hands. Got great

run ability. He got decent hips. And that's what I look for. When I look at a tight end, I'm looking at his hips. Can he dip his hips? Can he drop his hips? If he can drop his hips, he can play. He can move. That way, he's fluid. All the tight ends, you look at them. Most of them are big now. Obviously, they're not going to be able to drop

their hips like I could because, hell, I play wide receiver and I was only 228 pounds. They can drop their hips well enough at 245, 250. Those guys are huge, man. I'm looking at these dudes, I'm like, what the hell?

You look at Hawkinson, you look at Kittle, you look at Kelsey, you look at McBride, you look at Laporta, you look at Ingram. All these guys, big guys, 6'3", 6'4", 6'5", 245, 255, 260, can run, can drop their hips. How big is Brock Bowers?

Brock Bowers, probably about 6'3", 6'4", about 245, 250. So all of them big like that? All of them, yes, yes. Oh, I'm the last of a dying breed. You're not going to see more tiny heads like Kevin Sharp. 6'2", 228 pounds, play in that position. Bro, you got to think about it. DK Metcalf bigger than me.

Julio was bigger than me. T.O. was bigger than me. I'm saying, bro. I got a question. At 25, I'm going to call you a hybrid. Yeah, I will. What do you do on running plays? How do they hide you? most of the time I was backside

okay okay okay okay okay that gives it away for the defense every time so they know you're backside they know the play coming from the back see that's what I want you to do see I want you to be worried about trying to get a chip on me to keep me from getting out on the pick because back then a lot of times if you played a 7 you played a 9 or a 7

you know hey give him a a chuck. On the way out. Before we get off, we don't want him to free release to eat up our linebacker, eat up our safety. Right. Well, you thinking about that, now I done got inside and cut you off. Now TD hit the hole.

Okay, I see. All my job, see, my job wasn't to dominate and push you way five yards down the scrimmage. Right. All I needed to do was get TD to the line of scrimmage. Right. That's it. My job was complete. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. My job was complete. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

My job was complete. Now, hey, don't let the signs fool you now. I done tied a lot up up with a pack. God dang it. Hey, Ocho, get him off me. I don't know. I done tied him up in a boat, Ocho. Get him off me, real. Get him off me.

Yeah. But this was a a boat, Ocho. Get him off me, ref. Get him off me. Yeah. But this was a good game, Ocho. Aller was 12-23 for 139 to one score. Notre Dame was dealing with the flu. I think they had an outbreak of the flu over the last couple of days that permeated the locker room. Right. But they were able to overcome that.

Congratulations to the Fighting Irish. 14-1. One win away from doing something they haven't done in 37 years. Win the National Championship. Penn State, great season.

Finished 13-3. One win away from advancing to the National Championship game. But it was not to be. The night belonged to the Irish of Notre Dame. Congratulations, Marcus Freeman, and the man at Notre Dame as you move on 27-24 with a victory over Penn State. Ocho, Tyreek Hill's agent.

That was my agent too. Okay. Said the wide receiver is committed to the dolphins despite post-game comments tyreek reportedly met with dolphins general manager chris greer and head coach mike mcdaniel earlier this week and rosenhouse believes his client remains faithful to the club excuse me i think at the end of the day he's committed to this dolphins football team he had an excellent meeting with chris greer and mike mcdaniel i believe that tyreek is a great asset to the dolphins and i think he's he's the least guy that the people should be worried about this for this organization they have many more worries tyreek hill is not one of them. Right. All I know, look, he mentioned this about the broken wrist and all that.

All I know is this. They asked Tyreek to go in to get, if we are to believe what Mike McDaniel said, he asked Tyreek to go in the game in the fourth quarter. They said Tyreek said he was unavailable. It was brought to Mike McDaniel. It's not a new injury. Now, he said he had a broke wrist,

blah, blah, blah. Okay, fine. But at the thing, if you started the game with that, you can't leave him high and dry. There was a sound. Wasn't there a sound that Waddle asked, Reek, are you okay? And what did Tyreek say? Yeah.

Yeah. It ain't a good look, Ocho. Yeah, yeah. There's no different, and I said this before, there's no different than what AB did in that very stadium. There's no different than what Campbell did for the 49ers. And then, and then to exacerbate to make matters worse this man put a change his profile put his face on ab and we're supposed to

say like oh there's nothing wrong no i mean there's something wrong there's something wrong listen where there's smoke there's fire always no matter what you roll the house says you know no matter and listen cheetah said say what you want to say there were frustrations what led to that not going back into the game we would never know the true answer we'll never know right answer listen i can sit back i can sit here and call him and be like hey bro what happened what really happened why didn't you go back into the game what was wrong were you tired of getting cardio were you tired of the fact that they weren't able to get to the ball? Are you upset that the season isn't what it should have been for you?

Obviously, with Tua's injuries early in the season and then not having the time, the adequate time, or getting the opportunity needed once he came back in the game to get your numbers where they should be for the type of player that you are. Listen, Reed, if you see this, I mean, it's Cheetah. Justin Jefferson had a good season this year.

Jamar Chase had a phenomenal, obviously, triple crown winner this year. Tyreek is still the best receiver in the NFL. I don't want people to forget that. I don't want you to forget. I know what we see. It's what have you done for me lately? Obviously, there are reasons why a season didn't go the way it did this year. There's reasons why.

We understand that. But Cheetah is still the most dangerous receiver in today's NFL. I don't want people in the chat to ever forget that because of a down. Let's not, let's not, let's not. I believe he's the most dangerous, but I believe as far as total receiver, I think Chase and Jefferson are faster. Listen, there are more than one way to skin a cat, right? Yes, yes, absolutely. But listen, Chase is Jefferson. Listen, there's more than one way to skin a cat, right? Yes, absolutely.

But listen, Chase is scary. Justin Jefferson. You're talking about catfish, though, right? Huh? You're talking about skin of catfish, right? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Okay, okay.

I don't want Peter to come in here and try to shut us down. Oh, my bad. Hey, what I'm just saying, from an instance of who you don't want to face, who you don't want to touch the ball and have any kind of crease or any kind of angle, hey, listen, the fat lady might well start singing. That will always be Tyreek. I don't want people to lose sight of how great Tyreek Hill is because of a down season. I don't know what his frustrations were.

I would love to be— Is it money? I mean, because I don't know if he—does he. I would love to be... Is it money? I mean, because I don't know if he... Does he have any more guaranteed money on that contract? That's the thing, Ocho. Because, Ocho, you can't complain. You went for the money. And in nobody's mind did they ever think

that Tua was better than Mahomes. Now, you got the money you secured your family now if you blew through 72 million guarantee probably about a probably made like 90 million dollars over the last four years 100 million last four years if you blow through that hey i don't know to tell your joke nah but you cannot complain oh I want to win really you left the win over the last five years who's won more games than the Kansas City Chiefs Ocho if it's about winning oh man you know I ain't used to this wait wait wait a minute now we have to understand why he left the Chiefs now based on what based on who Tyreek was and when he was bringing to the table

they weren't paying him what he was worth. So I understand why he had to go to the Dolphins. You know, you win the game. Ocho. And not only that, he didn't miss a goddamn beat in any category as a receiver.

He didn't miss a beat. Remember what Tyreek did just last year? Yeah. He had 17 yards. Yeah. The only reason things weren't the same this year

is because of the injury to Tua. You know? But Ocho. There's a reason why quarter of the injuries to it you know but there's a reason why there's a reason why quarterbacks and when you have a backup there's a reason why the backup is the backup there's a reason why but you got to be the same no matter what right you got to show up with your hard hat and your lunch pail regardless because now it seems like Tyreek's a frontrunner. When things are going good, he's there. Now, why we didn't hear nothing about no broken wrist all year long? Let me ask you this.

No, no, no. Wait a minute. Remember, there were a few games where he was on the injury list due to his wrist. You know, he could have gotten surgery, but it was messed up. But he kept playing. He just had to take the rear heavy. Let me ask you a question. If Tyreek makes the Pro Bowl and he gets 1,400 yards, do we

hear anything about this wrist? Yes or no? No, sir. So why are we hearing about it now? Because Drew was trying to get him a cop out. That wrist, his leg wasn't broken. Nah. Nah. He copped out. Look, Ocho, man, you wrist, his leg wasn't broken. No, no. He copped out.

Look, Ocho, you know how I am, Ocho. I know how you are. I know, I know, I know. But what I'm not going to do is I'm not going to make excuses. I'm not going to do that. But I'm just saying, he did have a wrist injury. They brought it up a few times earlier in the season. I don't know if he landed wrong and did something. I think he needed surgery, but

he opted out of getting surgery and decided just to tape it up very, very heavy and continue playing. That's all. That's all. Well, damn. I mean, look at the first game he had. That game winning touchdown that he called. Remember that? What about the 100-yard game that he had? I couldn't tell.

Could you tell his wrist was hurting? Mm-mm hurting he looked like cheetah all i'm saying is guys look we've both been there i've been there you know hey john goes down and hey who was y'all back up i don't mean to be disrespectful who was y'all back up uh my first two years it was kubiak gary kubiak my back yeah hey gabe hey cool coming cool coming to feed you more hell cool would feed me more than seven would hey cool coming that thing's a green let's go get this money right okay let's go get it yeah and then we had tommy maddox and sean mo Sean Moore. Tommy Maddox from the Steelers. Yeah, Bubby.

Yeah. No, Hugh Miller. Hugh was in New England. Bubby was our backup in 98. Bubby? Bubby Bristow? Bubby Bristow, yeah. Really?

Yeah. That's dope, man. Yeah. But, yeah, look, I understand it is tough playing with the backup it is yeah man it absolutely is uh and uh 2000 i mean we had uh uh who the tony banks without starter trip without backup tony banks from uh the ravens yeah he was he originally went to san francisco with two of the uh the rams right he's with the rams out of michigan state second round draft pick with the ravens had a had a good season

they gave him some money uh 2000 he was our starter trent they signed trent as a free agent to be a backup uh-huh trent came in there hey the thing was trent like hey you get open i'm gonna give you the rock yeah well that's all i needed. Hell, I was open a lot of times and didn't get the rock. Right. You tell me I'm going to get open, I'm going to get open. But it's tough, Ocho, but at the end of the day, you got to be professional. Yeah. No matter what the circumstances are.

And look, think about it, Ocho. When you catch for 1,800 yards like Tyreek had last year, there are a lot of mofos out there getting cardio. When they feed the ball to Reek. And a whole lot of balls to go around. When cardio when they feeding the ball when they feeding the ball to read and a whole lot of balls to go around when you let somebody catch that many balls

for that many yards and you got Waddle so you know the third and the fourth you out of gas Ojo when you got those two and they going for 200 catches

and 3,500 yards 3,000 3,500 yards Ojo I mean how many balls you think you gonna going to get? Well, obviously, you got to remember that,

you know, wherever the money at, that's where the ball goes. Yes. Come on, Ang, you know, we pay you a healthy salary, obviously, so that the ball

is going to be funneled to the money, to the high man, to the high point. I mean, that's just... You see what I'm saying? And so what's the expectation of you, the high man?

Oh. You show up to work and be professional all the time. No so what's the expectation of you, the high man? Oh. You show up to work and be professional all the time. No matter what. The more you make is the more the guys, they expect you to show up. Yeah. Yeah. But now, listen, you got to remember,

what do you expect from the high man? What does the high man expect from you? Well, I expect even if my quarterback goes down and I have the backup, I still expect you to follow that ball in front of that offense through me. There's certain things.

I tried to tell you, you don't want to talk about, oh man, hey, Huntley, who Huntley? I said, Ocho. Oh, don't talk about it. Don't talk about Snoop like that.

I ain't talking about it, but I'm just saying he'll back. You just said he's a backup for a reason. With the backup coming, you just said that. No, I'm not.

I didn't say any names. I'm saying specifically across the league, there are 32 teams and there's a starter the start is a starter for the reason for a reason and the backup is the back sam donald was a backup oh but listen sometimes you put a backup in the right circumstance like that you could put hey listen you could put mother theresa on the vikings with addison naylor and goddamn justin jefferson and they gonna get it yeah yeah and you still got hawkinson hawkinson oh they you're gonna get it done now now that's yeah now certain circumstances you know circumstance matters now we talk about back yes absolutely absolutely but i just look look

i'm not saying that there wasn't anything wrong with Tyreek, but I just believe you must maintain a certain level of professionalism. Even if things aren't going well. In the fourth quarter, you can't opt out, bro. You got, Ocho, there have been a lot of times, Ocho, we getting our eyes beat out

and I'm like, man, why we in here, man? We can't come back. Ain't no 21 point touchdown with six minutes to go. Hey, but hey, ain't no faking no injury. Ain't getting no, hey, you know, hey, my hand, my elbow,

my shoulder, ain't none of that. Hey, I was out there from the beginning when we were sucking. I'm going to ride all the way to the end. We're going to suck all the way through the fourth quarter. We're going're gonna suck together i can't leave him out there like that i can't i can't you're right but we'll see what happens what they are what they are what they are decide what they got what's gonna happen with tyreek i think tyree wants to go i think tyree wants to move yeah yeah listen because you Listen. You can't depend on, you can't depend, I don't know,

but I don't know what he was thinking. Ocho, you have a guy that has an injury history. An injury history. As a player, you're not thinking about that. You,

you sit on the outside. Shouldn't you? You on the outside, looking in as a part of the media now and seeing it from a different lens, seeing it from a different perspective. You know, Tyreek is not looking at that.

I'm looking at what I was able to do with Tua last year. So what am I doing? I'm expecting to build on what I did last year and continue that same tradition, that momentum going into the following season. And it started off like that. And then Tua goes down.

But Ocho, the man got injured before you got there. The man was injured before you got there. The man came into the think about it Ocho, the man came into the league with a repaired hip. He limped into the NFL. There's a great chance

he's going to end up limping out of it. He limped into the season. You got to see it like that. I'm just saying, though, Choke. I'm just being real. Chad, I ain't paying y'all no attention. That's the way we talk. Yeah, we suck. We were sucking as a team. We were

terrible. So I'll let y'all play them childish games. We suck. I wasn't going to leave my teammates out there. We started sucking in the first quarter. We're going to suck the second, third. We're going to all be sucking together. That's the end of that. Also, check this out.

The NFL sends a memo to teams about sportsmanship before the playoffs. Perry Fuel, the league's SVP of officiated administration, sent a memo to head coaches and general managers of teams in the postseason to reiterate the importance of sportsmanship in the game in the in the coming weeks at this level of competition emotions will run high but no amount of emotion should give away to demeaning and offensive words taunting and other non-football acts. No one wants a penalty or a player ejection to determine the outcome of the game. Man, forget that NFL memo, man. Forget what they taught. Okay.

Listen, all teams, all players, I know y'all are going to see this. You're going to see this. Have fun. Enjoy the game. The chances of— Don't y'all listen to Ocho. Hey, man. Ocho don't cause y'all to get a penalty.

Let me finish. You ain't even let me finish. Go ahead. You ain't even let me finish yet. Enjoy. You ain't even let me finish yet. Enjoy the game. Enjoy the moments. Have fun. Listen to the memo.

Don't do anything that can cause your team a penalty. What you say, have fun? Huh? Let me ask you a question, Ocho. What? How many times they done sent the memo to let them know, stop pulling your shirt up like you got a gun? So how many times you think they done sent that memo out, Ocho? Hey, somebody pulled a shirt up like you got a gun. So how many times

do you think they done sent that memo out, Ocho? Hey, somebody pulled the shirt up like they got a gun? You saw, man, you saw what you called,

you saw Xavier Worthy do that against Pittsburgh, Ocho. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right, that's right, that's right. No, but I'm just saying,

despite the memo, listen, don't take the fun away from the game. You know, the competitive nature of the game. That's why I just said, have fun, don't take the fun away from the game. You know, the competitive nature of the game. That's why I just said, have fun. Don't do anything to get yourself a penalty or get your team penalized. Outside of that, I understand.

I understand the NFL is all about control. You know, the integrity of the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's always about integrity until the NFL finds a way to benefit from certain things and make money. But anyway. Well, they was benefiting from those hard hits. And then they got sued. It cost them a billion dollars.

So they ain't going to let you do the hard hits, no more, Ocho. Come on, talk to me. Yeah, I get it. Let the elephant out of the room. Matter of fact, they didn't even turn the door. That's the thing. Look, I get it.

And there are a lot of times. Man, do you know how many times we done said the N-word? You can't say the N-word now. Man, now they hold on hold on now hold on man oh they're throwing flags you throwing flags for that

they are they've been instructed to throw a flag when you say we done said the n-word and curse so much matter of fact it's frowned upon, Ang. It's frowned upon, but it's a part of regular language and dialogue and the way we interact and talk.

Yeah. It's normal. It's normal, you know? So I'm confused with their thinking of throwing a flag and just the way of the culture in general and how we converse, sometimes arguing, sometimes talk trash to each other.

That's something that you can't change. But guess what, Ocho? When you get on linear television, you can't say that. It's our culture to say it, but you can't say it. So the NFL is saying, look, when you're on this field,

you say that word. Oh, man. But, hey, I'm a big look. i've said it a thousand times i don't say mofo i said effle i don't say it all that right man who you calling the mofo i ain't gonna be true to mofo i said well you that one i don't need you to be anymore but you that one but it was it was it was different right back then they were headhunting yeah you just if somebody felt that you disrespected them they were headhunting

oh yeah for sure you know you might not get it you stayed on your P's and Q's Ocho, last year the league issued a total of 419 fives for the regular season and postseason through week

17 this year, they've already issued 484. That's a 1.17% increase. Now, we haven't even gotten to the playoffs. We got wild card, division, championship, and the Super Bowl. So we still got four more weeks.

Right. You already know this thing might be 550. weeks. Right. You already know this thing might be $550. Yeah. Yeah. This thing might be $550. Might be close to $600, don't you?

Listen, there's certain things you can't take out of the game. You can have as many memos as you want to. You can talk until you're red in the goddamn face.

The game of football is played a certain way. There's certain things you can't take out of it. You're already taking the physicality out of the game. Now you're trying to take the culture and the way and the style in which 80% of the certain types of players are in there. So when they

play it, there's only so much you can do. Right. There's only so much you can do. Yeah, look. Something is going to happen um as an offensive lineman you talk if you get beat tackling don't let that man hit your quarterback don't let that man hit your quarterback hey dv if you're beat hey don't you give up no touchdown hey okay if it's a spot if it's a spot foul it's a spot foul, we might get a fumble, but we can't recover.

Hey, they're going to get a touchdown if you just give up. No, P.I. And I'm just being honest with you. Listen, if I get beat clean, you're not going to hit my quarterback. I'm going to tackle you. Right. I know they're going to throw a flag, but I'm okay with that. Right.

Because guess what you didn't do? Hit my quarterback in the back, and he fumbled tackle you. Right. I know they're going to throw a flag, but I'm okay with that. Right. Because guess what you didn't do? Hit my quarterback in the back, and he fumbled the ball. Right. That's not going to happen. So you just have to understand certain penalties. You just got to accept, hey, good job, son.

That's the way to not let it hit. That's the way to not let our quarterback get hit. Right. Some things are going to happen, you know, but, you know, don't jump offside. It's the offsides, offside it's the offside

like it's third and three and they hard count you you jump lord have mercy boy if if brains were dynamite you couldn't even blow your nose i mean sometimes like bro what what are you thinking yeah but I was I was notorious oh I bet you I got more on Star Predator than any tight end

for real well I was getting out of there I was getting I was getting up out of there and it was never the block

right you best believe oh oh oh the pants they sharp damn right it was a pants and I was about

to be out the gate on you. Oh, yeah, for sure. Because I ain't waiting till the turn. I hear, huh? I'm gone. You gone? Hey, hey, don't you say, hey, alert.

Oh, man, I'm gone. Right. What you say that for? We ain't got no check. Ain't got no check on that play right there. Right. What you say that for? We ain't got no, we ain't got no check. Ain't got no check on that play right there. Let's go.

But look, you look, like I said, guys, understand, just don't do anything that's going to cost your team. That's the last thing you want.

And you know, that one play, but I guarantee your Penn State probably thinking, yeah, that interception at the, that play might have

didn't cost us the game, but it damn sure didn't help. At all. It didn't help. I'm not going to say it cost us the game, but it damn sure didn't help us win the game. So, guys, just be smart. I know you want to celebrate all your homeboys, your family.

They might be in the stands. They might be watching back home. That's my homie, blah, blah, blah. But, bro, don't you do anything that's going to cost your team. Yeah. That's all I'm saying. That's why the first thing I said was y'all got to have fun, man.

You know, these moments, they don't come, they don't happen often. The chance of making the playoffs, unless you're with a certain type of team

that you know always goes in there. Enjoy the moment, man. Have fun. Just don't cost not only yourself, but don't cost your team. But again,

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Four and 13 Las Vegas Raiders are cleaning house. Just two days after the team fired head coach Antonio Pierce, the Raiders announced that they're fired general manager Tom Telesco. This marks the second time in the last 13 months that Telesco has been fired by the AFC West team. Telesco was fired by the Chargers after 11 years of service following a 63-21 beatdown at the hands of the Raiders last December. They got beat 63? Damn. The Raiders then made the decision to hire Telesco last January

and now firing him. Telesco's lone draft class, Vegas, was actually pretty impressive. Jackson Powers Johnson and Delmar Glaze both started 14, had 14 starts apiece on the offensive line, while number 13 overall pick Brock Biles with the first year tied in, excuse me, had the most receptions by a rookie in NFL history. He had 112 catches, five catches short of an NFL record for the most catches by a tight end of a single season

Zach Ertz has that record 116 when he played with the Eagles but I was surprised that he stayed considering that you fired Antonio Pearson normally what happens though Joe normally you clean house you fired a head normally you clean house. You fire the head coach, you clean

house. I mean, obviously, it might be a relationship. It might be some relationship on why he stayed. Well, he only stayed two after days. They got him up out of there. This is very interesting because Tom

is calling the game, but he's also very very very involved with the decision making with the decision making right bless you. Thank you I did I say I chew my hand is over my mouth

I said I sneezing my mouth. Give me some life on the subject. What you talking about? I see. I, I, I, I, I, I sneezing. I forgot to scope cover my mic.

Damn. Man, y'all see that man sneezing and he cover his mouth. Oh, I know where I'm going

up in that. Hey, I just be hanging he covered his mouth. Oh, ain't no way. I'm going up in that. Germs just be hanging out on the wall. Oh, dude. I'm confused. No can do. I sneezed and I covered my mouth as I sneezed. No, you didn't. Hey, Chad, he didn't cover his mouth, did he?

I said I chewed. Hey, that's your wife. I chewed. I say what day, y'all? Here you go. Chad, y'all heard the chat. Y'all saw it, didn't you yeah the chat saw me covering my cover my mouth listen this man wipe your camera lens off man i see you all over the camera nah i'm good i'm good i'm good guy got the arrow this is it's 40 degrees outside and then I got the AC on in the house by accident.

Whew. Man, Ocho. Yeah. I mean, even when you were private, you could like cover, you know, like... I just did. I sneezed into my hand. Oh, no. Man, then you're going to dab people and you're quick to dab everybody else. Bring it in here.

Oh, no. See, I don't even dab people. I would treat you like COVID.. I would treat you like COVID. When I would treat you like COVID, that's about the elbow. I don't adapt people. I hug people. Nah, oh, no.

I'm a hugger. COVID. Man, matter of fact, you might have Ebola. Who? You. Ebola who? you Ebola what's that?

they said a monkey got loose in Miami had Ebola the monkey bit you and the monkey died so I don't know what you got if the monkey got Ebola he bite you and he die. Listen, if a monkey bit me, he died because I bit him back. I don't play with animals like that.

But that's my point. So if he got Ebola, if he bit you, you bit him back and he died, and then nothing happened to you. I don't know what strand you got. The only strand I got is I ain't the one to play with. That's the strand. That's it right there. You bite me, you finna get bit back that gonna finish any animal snakes dogs raccoons

where do you believe the raiders should look for a head coach um obviously coach belichick signed with the uh uh university of north car Tar Heels. He has a buyout June 1st of a million dollars. But if you were to leave now, it'd cost him 10 million. Right. So,

I mean, it's still a possibility 10 million. I mean, hey, you get the, hey, Raiders,

y'all want me bad enough. I mean, considering Tampa gave up two first round of the game, eight million in cash. If you want, hey, look,

they got, look, obviously the Raiders don't have the influx of cash. This is a mom-and-pop shop. So it's not... No, he's not littered with money. He doesn't have billions and billions of dollars

like some of these other owners. The only thing that he operates is the Raiders. You know, a lot of these other owners, they have outside businesses. Jerry got, you know, a gas company. He got this and he got car dealerships in Brazil. Right. You got Sean Khan who has car parts and all that stuff going on.

So there are a lot of guys that have other things. Obviously, we know what the Walton Perno family have. That guy's worth 80 billion. Right. So $10 million to him ain't nothing. But that's a substantial amount of money considering that we still don't know what the arbitration is with John Gruden. John Gruden

had three years on that deal. No, John Gruden had like six years on that deal. Six or seven years. He signed a 10-year deal for $100 million. And he had like six, seven years. So he had $60 million, $60, $70 million. Arbitration is coming.

Okay. They had a coach after him. They fired him. Oh, he got it. Josh McDaniel. So they got Josh McDaniel on the payroll. Okay. You just had AP.

Yeah. AP had to sign at least a three-year deal. So you got him on the payroll. Right. So you still got a damn near probably 80, $90 million in coaches that don't coach for you. Yeah.

And I think earlier this year, the NFL issued a memo about all this guaranteed money coaches and players they let Russ go. 30 plus million. Kirk Cousins, we're going to see what's happening. We see a lot of coaches being and players, they let Russ go. 30 plus million. Kirk Cousins, we're going to see what's happening. We see a lot of coaches

and players being let go with a substantial amount of guaranteed money still on the books. Mm-hmm. But the Raiders got to do, look, the Raiders things are better when the Raiders are good. There are certain teams that

the old guard, the Steelers doing well, the Broncos all of. There are certain teams that, you know, the old guard, the Steelers doing well, the Broncos all of a sudden come back. Yeah, you won't, you know, anytime you got the great quarterback, you got Mahomes, you got Lamar, Josh Allen, you got Gall. It's better when you have the old guards. Those fans show up. Steelers, they're going to show up in Baltimore. The Broncos, fans show up. Steelers, they're going to show up

in Baltimore. The Broncos, they show up. Teams like that, they travel. The Packers, they show up. And so,

but the Raiders need to get this thing figured out. I mean, all these coaches that they've hired, they haven't been to the playoffs. They went to the playoffs.

Nah, they lost to y'all. Wasn't Derek Carr's last year they went to the playoffs. They ended up losing to the Bengals. I think the year y'all went to the Super Bowl. Mm-hmm. Nah, they lost to y'all. Wasn't Derek Carr's last year they went to the playoff. They ended up losing to the Bengals. I think the year y'all went to the Super Bowl. 2020 What?

Was it 2021? Yeah, I believe so. But listen, the job at the Raiders, I mean, it would be one that was sought after if the quarterback situation was intact. It's not. It's up in the air.

No disrespect to the quarterbacks that are there, but they're just not going to get it done. Players get coaches fired. Players get coaches fired. And if you don't have a quarterback at the helm that can work an offense, that can at least give you a chance to compete week in and week out, I mean, you're getting the job just to get fired because you're going to be on a short leash.

You know? And you can't say anything as a head coach. Well, how do you expect me to win when I don't have the tools in my toolbox to go out there and compete? And it all starts with having my Allen wrench. My Allen wrench is for quarterback. If I ain't got no goddamn Allen wrench, how the hell am I supposed to fix the goddamn engine?

You know? And that's what it all starts with. So I'm not sure why even Belichick would even want to come to the Raiders until that situation at the quarterback position is rectified. Now, I can win and I can play with this. If I can find that centerpiece,

I can build around that, and then I can compete against the better teams. Especially in that division. Look at the division. Yeah. I mean, if you. Look at the division. Yeah. I mean, if you go look at the division, Mahomes, 29. So you got to deal with him

another five to 10 years. You got Bo Nix, who's 24. You got to deal with him for another five to 10 years. You got Justin Herbert, who's probably 25. You got to deal with him for another five to 10 years.

So in order for you to compete, it's the same thing with camp. It's the same thing in the AFC North. You got to deal with him for another five to 10 years. So in order for you to compete, it's the same thing with camp is same thing in, in, in the AFC North. You got Joe Burrow and you got Lamar. You're going to have to deal with those guys for the foreseeable future. Uh, and that's what you're dealing with in the NFC East.

You got hurts and you got Jane Daniels. Okay. Giant. Y'all gonna have to figure it out. You got to get a quarterback because that, you know, they're gonna be, look, they'll win more games

than what they won last year. They just gotta be consistent. That's gotta stay healthy and not turn the ball over at the most inopportune time. Right. But without a quarterback and you got a division

that's quarterback-centric and you don't have one, you're not winning. Yeah. You're not winning that division. You're not winning yeah you're not winning that you're not winning the afc west without a damn good quarterback because you got to go through the homes herbert and bo nicks now so that's three yeah and you're gonna have to beat my home that's why they wanted i mean they probably won the division every year since 2015 and they're gonna keep winning as a

matter of fact they're the only team that's won the division since in that division. Because they had Alex Smith for a year or two, and then they got Mahone Boy. And he had never lost the division. As a matter of fact, he's never not been in the NFC Championship game since he's been a starter. So that's what you're up against

if you're in a division with a quarterback century. That's why New England, nobody had a quarterback that could go toe-to-to division with a quarterback century. That's why New England, nobody had a quarterback that could go toe-to-toe with Brady. No. And what was that division that they had with Peyton

when they was in the AFCs? If you can't go toe-to-toe with Peyton, how you gonna win? That's why when Peyton goes to the AFC West, they didn't have a quarterback. I mean, Phillip Rivers was the only really quarterback,

but he could not gun Peyton. So you got to have a division, and I don't really know. Look, I was, as a matter of fact, I was just at the stadium, Allegiant Stadium the other night. Nice stadium. Very modern, very up-to-date. I'm not going to be surprised if the Super Bowl is not back in Vegas in the next five years.

Obviously, you see it's going to be in 28. It's going back to SoFi. Right. Also, the Olympics is in SoFi. Also, the World Cup, quarterfinal, semifinal, is going to be in SoFi. Yeah. So it's going to come back to Allegiant Stadium,

but Raiders got to figure this thing out. They've got to get a quarterback, and they've got to get a coach, and they've got to give him more than a year or two, Ocho. You have to. You have to, because it takes time. I mean, NFL owners that have money, that have businesses outside of football,

they know that in order to fix my business, one of the one things that I can do is throw money at it. Right. NFL don't work like that. You mean just throwing money at coaches, you ain't throwing money at players and expecting change to happen overnight. That's not the way the NFL works at all when it comes to businesses outside of football. Yes. It is a business. It's the way money works. It is a business, Ocho. And sometimes you can bring a new CEO. He has a different vision. Right.

And he's like, okay, instead of this, we're going to do this. We're going to restructure something. I don't give a damn who you bring in to head coach. If he ain't got no quarterback, he ain't doing diddly poop. At all. I don't care. At all. There's never been one that good to be able to overcome I mean obviously you know you look at Joe Gibbs

Joe Gibbs won three Super Bowls and none of his quarterbacks in the Pro Football Hall of Fame Bill Parcells he's won two with none of his quarterbacks in the Pro Football Hall of Fame but you think about how many Super Bowls that they played most of the other quarterbacks in the Pro Football Hall of Fame Joe Flacco isn't in

Joe Flacco isn't in. Joe Flacco isn't in the Hall of Fame. But for the most part, quarterbacks that win Super Bowls, they go to the Hall of Fame. And their coach is in the Hall of Fame. Parcells is in. Gibbs is in. Look at the coaches that won Super Bowls. For the most part. Once they leave the game, five years wait.

Maybe it's a couple of years. Obviously, you know, guys like Bud Grant, excuse me, Coach Noel, Coach Lombardi, Coach Shula. Guys like that's won most of them. Ocho, they ain't wait. But some of the coaches, you know, you have to wait a little longer than others. But without a quarterback, you're not going anywhere, Ocho. And the Raiders right now, they haven't without a quarterback you're not you're not going anywhere oh joe and the raiders right now they haven't had a quarterback they had uh derrick carr uh for whatever reason

coach coach gruden really really never really wrapped his arms around him he really never embraced him and you know he has good games i mean he's like okay i live really then you're like bro what are you doing and uh coach Groom probably was thinking like, bro, you about to get me fired. So I got to go. I got to go. I got to move on from you. But then the emails popped up.

And then, you know, the NFL did what they did. And, you know, Mark Davis felt that he needed to do what he did. But he wasn't happy with it. He really didn't want to get rid of Coach Groom. But the NFL was like... You got to do something. Yeah, you got to move on. So the Raiders fired Tom Telesco. They've also let go of Antonio Pierce.

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