Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Nuggets even series, Cincinnati vs. Atlanta

Episode Date: May 13, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Nikola Jokic and the Denver Nuggets winning Game 4 over Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves in the NBA Western Conference Semifinals. Unc & Ocho also react to Tyrese Haliburton beating Jalen Brunson and the New York Knicks in Game 4 of the NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals. Later, they have a raucous debate on the merits of Atlanta vs. Cincinnati. 03:41 - Show Starts08:14 - Nuggets beat Timberwolves19:37 - Pacers destroy Knicks27:32 - Hawks get the #1 overall draft pick(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I hope this day was relaxing and fulfilling. Obviously, one day for you guys doesn't do enough justice for the job that you have to do 24-7. But again, I hope it was enjoyable. So for one, would it be in Mother's Day I went to go see my mom I went to see Hurricane Paul at the cemetery in Opa Locker I went to see my grandma I went out there and played a little gospel music

I shed a few tears I shed a few tears so right right after that I left and I came out and I looked I looked at the park you know I seen people playing basketball so I pulled on the side of the grass you know just to watch them boys hoop for a little bit and I looked at the park, you know, I seen people playing basketball. So I pulled on the side of the grass, you know, just to watch them boys hoop for a little bit. And I looked and I went, wait a minute. Somebody said something to me.

Why come I ain't hoop? I was like, man, I ain't got no shoes. So I went to the back of the trunk. I had my little tennis shoes. Not like really, like real tennis shoes, you know, not for hooping. Went out there, you know, talk a little trash, you know, get warmed up, get the jaws moving. And so I don't think these boys know, like, I really do this. Like, I could really come off the bench for any NBA team right now and be six-man of the year.

So, bomb. Check it. We go out there the first game. Pepper Paul. Everybody in the chat from Miami, I know all my boys watching, man, Smoke, Matt, no, Piccolo, you ain't Matt yet. He got to earn that name. I played, right? First game,

whooped them boys off the court. Then I was talking to a young fella. He was talking trash to me. He was talking trash to me, talking about what he going to do, and he liked that, and he liked this, and whatever, whatnot. So I told him, okay, bet. Let's run it.

So second game, he didn't hit a shot. He didn't hit a two. Oh, he yapping now. Then, boom, he got another point. They running plays like we in the NBA. I'm saying if you really like that, call the ISO. Tell everybody to move out of the way and put the ball on the ground and get it off the muscle. He done had his little four points. So they won the ISO. Tell everybody to move out of the way. And put the ball on the ground and get it off the muscle.

He done had his little four points. So they won the game. But he got carried. The person that was doing all the talking, he got carried. So he was out there. He had four points. So he was like a P.J. Tucker or a Patrick Beverly. Like that.

No disrespect. Because I'm learning the game. So I understand. I'm not calling them role players. But he was a role player today. He got carried, Matt. But that's what they are, role players. Yeah, huh?

That's what they are. They're role players. Okay, okay, okay. But he can't be talking to me like that when I'm like Anthony Edwards, when I'm on the court. I'm like Anthony Edwards with the explosion of a prime D Rose.

That's what they, they ain't really get that today because I wanted to facilitate. I wanted to be like John Stockton today. I wanted to be like Steve Nash. No, I'm telling you, I got a lot for you before I lie to you. You hear me? Okay. I was out there cutting up. So I know

all my boys watching. I'm going to see y'all next Saturday 8 o'clock in the morning. Anybody in the chat, anybody in the chat that lives in Miami, Pepper Park, Saturday and Sunday at 8 a.m. Come out there and I'm going to show you why I should be in the NBA right now. Shout out to all my boys, man, out the city, little Haiti,

out the beans, out the subs, wherever y'all from. I love y'all. I really appreciate y'all for letting me hoop with y'all today. I'm going to see y'all every week. Hey, Matt, boy, your ass is mine, boy. I don't know if y'all noticed through all that story, Ocho went 0-2 on the court today.

I was 1-1. No, no, no today. No, no, I was 1-1. I was 1-1. No, no, no, you lost that one. You lost. I was 1-1. All right, so the Nuggets fight their way back, and now they've clawed home court back. They lose the first two games at home,

go on the road and beat the Timberwolves two games on the road. An 8-0 spurt at the end of the first half was the difference in the ballgame. The Nuggets win 115-107 to even the series at two, and they head back for game five in Ball Arena on Tuesday. Nikola Jokic showed everybody why he's the MVP. Don't get twisted. But, Ocho, if you watch this game, you know if you go back and you follow the Nuggets since they kind of been the Nuggets.

Yes, sir. Aaron Gordon is going to have one game in every series that he's going to do something spectacular. He's going to act a fool. We saw it the last series against the Lakers. Yes, sir. He 29-14. Tonight, he was 27.

On 11-12, played 41 minutes 7 rebounds 6 assists excuse me 27 points 7 rebounds 6 assists he's 11-12 from the floor he's 2-2 from the 3 point line Yoke 15 of 26 he got a little foul trouble 35-7 and Jamal Murray had a stretch there

where he couldn't miss he was 8 of 17 3 of 7 from the 3. He had 19 points. Holiday, Justice Holiday came off the bench, 3 of 6 from the 4, 3 of 5 from the 3, and Christian Brown came in. He was 3 of 4 from the floor, 1 of 1 from the 3-point line, 11 points. And that's the difference. Ant-Man was Ant-Man.

He atoned for game three. He carrying everybody on. But Cat got to get... Somebody got to contribute. Ain't no somebody. It's Cat. Yeah. Cat is the all-star.

Yes, sir. Cat was the rookie of the year. Yeah. Cat is the guy. He needs to carry his weight. Yeah. And we can't look at... Well, he had a double-double.

Come on, man. Cat was 5 of 18. He had 13.12 rebounds. Oh, no. You can't do that. Not with four quarters. Not with four quarters. If you're going to have a chance, listen, I've been watching NBA, so I'm feeling good now. I'm feeling the talk. I'm feeling really good. I'm feeling really good

now. So if you're going to have a chance at playing, you need your superstar to show up. Cat is a superstar. You can't have off nights you explained it to me the best sometimes with the role players when they get the chance to play and they have the opportunity to be in the game they have to make those shots

in the first two games hell the Wolves was up 2-0 they was up 2-0 how did Cat play in those games he played well he was efficient from the field so if they're going to have a chance Cat we need you baby Levels up 2-0. How did Cat play in those games? He played well. He was efficient from the field.

So if they're going to have a chance, Cat, we need you, baby. We need you to step up. You got to. I have a question. I have one question. As big as Cat is, please tell me, why is he not in the block? Why is he not down in the post, Uncle? Why is he at the three-point line?

He should not be coming out, retrieving the ball at the three-point line? He should not be coming out, retrieving the ball at the three-point line, calling for isos, calling for picks. Come on, Uncle. What are we doing? But that's the way the game has expanded. We see these guys seven foot tall. Look at Chet Holmgren. He's 7'2", 7'3".

Look at Wimby. Look at Prazingas. Joel Embiid shoots a lot of threes. That's where the game is headed, though, Joe. Because the value is in the three-point shot. I understand the value is in the three-point shot. But you, Cat, Cat, I need you to be a Swiss Army Knife. We know you can shoot the three.

We know you got a mid-range game. Why not start down in the block? Why not start down in the post and see if you can get Joker in foul trouble? Tire him out a little bit early in the game. See if you can get him in foul trouble a little bit. You do.

You know? You gotta make him work. And then, change the game up. Find different ways to facilitate, get the ball, and then work your game that way

as opposed to just trying to play from mid-range out. Start from the block first. Man, nigga, ask for that bid. Come on, man. But that's been a lot of issues that people have taken

with Cat because he's so skilled and we know you can shoot the ball from there, but you're seven foot tall and you can post. And on most nights, you're going to have because of Rudy's on the court, you're going to have an advantage on the block if you're seven foot tall and you can post. And on most nights, you're going to have, because of Rudy's on the court, you're going to have an advantage on the block if you're so choosing. Now, granted, with Rudy in the game,

see, and look, I understand they're playing well, but it didn't make no sense to me because Rudy can't do anything but play on the block. Right. So if you put a cat on the block, where are you going to put Rudy? Wait, listen. I ain't guarding Rudy out there.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Rotate. Rotate, whoa. Rotate. Rotate that shit. Rotate for what? Who running the point? Mike Conley. You move. Come down. Cat in the block. Rotate it around. I'm a double Cat. If that's what you got to do,

you run specific plays for Cat early in the game when he's down in the block. We not shoot mid-range or out three calling for picks? What you doing? I'm doubling off Rudy Gobert. Rudy is not going to do anything but do a put-back dunk, a tip in. So I don't have to worry about him outside of five feet. So that's what I'm going to do.

But that's been some of the qualms with Cat, is that he spends so much time outside on the perimeter, hovering around the three-point line. When he's skilled, hey, yeah, he can play with his back to the basket. But that's not what he chooses to do because guys that play with their back to the

basket, they look at that as old school, antiquated. Ain't nobody playing like Patrick Ewing, ain't nobody playing like Elijah Wan and David Robinson and Tim Duncan. Those guys are gone. It's about having a package. It's about having a package. The more package you

have, the better you are. That's the point of having a Swiss Army knife, having multiple things you can cut with. So if you know you got a package and you can go down in the post or in the multiple things you can cut with. So if you know you got a package, and you can go down in the post or in the block, and you can play like that, and you got a mid-range, so that affects the team you're playing defensively.

They got to play you multiple ways. I agree. You got to use all that shit. But you preach it to the choir, though. I need you to give that to the congregation. Oh, don't care. Hey, listen, after this, I'm waiting for Ant to shower. I'm waiting for Ant to shower. I'm waiting for him to cool down. I need you to get that to the congregation. Oh, don't care. Hey, listen. After this, I'm waiting for Ant to shower. I'm waiting for Ant to shower. I'm waiting

till he cool down. I'm going to call him. I'm going to talk to him. Man, tell him to get his... Man, you said one. You about, what, 280? Cat was 5 of 18. He had 13 points and 12 rebounds. So, he needs...

They need to be able to match, let's say, Yolk and Cat played to a standstill. Right. Okay, who did something with Aaron Gordon? What are we going to do about those 27 points? Who offsets that? That's where Cat's supposed to offset that. Right. Now we can play two-on-two.

Now with Conley, who else? Who starts? Conley, Jay Daniels, McDaniels, excuse me, and Rudy Gobert. Now we can offset their other three. Damn, man. Hey, I stuck with the Nuggets. I said I thought the Nuggets would win. They're not going down.

You're not sweeping. The likelihood of you sweeping the Nuggets would win. They're not going down. You're not sweeping. The likelihood of you sweeping the champs, and they're not injured, they got too much pride to let that happen. Sweet, sweet. Not only pride. Do you think experience plays a factor? Yeah, for sure.

Experience plays a factor? Yeah, they've been there, done that. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. They never get bothered. Look how many times they were down to the Lakers. Right. Down 12, down 16, down 20.

And when you blink, they back in the game. Look at this. The Timberwolves were right there in the game. And then eight quick points. Yeah. Boom, boom, boom. And now all of a sudden, it's back to a 16, 17-point ball game just in the blink of an eye.

But you knew Yoke wasn't going to continue to be this inefficient. You knew eventually he's going to get that touch. He's going to get his range back. And the question was, when was Aaron Gordon going to have that game? Well, he had it tonight, and it couldn't have come at a better time. So now they go back to Denver and the Timberwolves got their work cut. We know Ant-Man is gonna

beat Ant-Man. The question is can Cat give you 25 to 30 with 12, 13 rebounds? Because that's what it's gonna take. That's what it's gonna take. Damn, man. Give the Nuggets credit.

Look, they got a three-time MVP. They're the reigning champs. Right. They know what it's like to be battle-tested. They know what it's like to have their backs against the wall. They knew they couldn't go down 0-3. Yeah. They know they can't be down 3-1, and now there's no margin of error. Yeah.

And now you got to win all, you got to win the next four games, or you got to win the next three games. Yeah, you got to play damn good basketball. You don't want that. Yeah. Now, you got to play damn good basketball. Yeah. Now, hey, now it's the best two out of three. And two of the three games on our home court. Dang.

They're thinking, I like our chances now. Right. Yeah, and you can't keep spotting the nuggets because if you go back and look at game three, they spotted them, let them get out there 10, 15, 20 points. Game's over. They spent so much time. You exert so much energy trying to get back into the game.

When you're down 15, you're down 18 points. It's hard. And then when you get close, you get eight. And then you get careless with the ball. You have a turnover. And the next thing you know, an eight-point lead now is a 10, 12, 14, 16. You're like, damn. Yeah.

We was right there. But give the Nuggets credit. They win behind a great performance by Nikola Jokic and Aaron Gordon. And they send it back tied 2-2 to Denver. And they play game five on Tuesday. Made for This Mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles, break free from the chains of trauma, and silence the negative voices that have kept them small.

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1 of 13 from the three-point line, and the combined trio was minus 96 and plus minus. When the game started? When the game started, the beginning of the game told you how the game was going to go. The beginning of the game, when the Pacers-Knicks game started the beginning of the game told you how the game was going to go

the beginning of the game when the Pacers Nick game started and the Pacers were hitting shot after shot after shot and I think at one point when it was it might have been 17-9 I might be wrong my memory might be wrong I think it might have been

17-9 and from that point on I knew it was going to be struggle bus the that point on, I knew it was going to be struggle bus the rest of the game. I knew it was going to be struggle bus. Well, this might have been a good thing for them

because they get the rest because you got to think about they playing some crazy minutes, Ocho. A good thing? Huh? A good thing? Yeah.

Them legs. You see how wobbly those legs look? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You keep playing 48 and 46 and 44 minutes at that intensity. Hey, guess what? They got 24 minutes, 22 minutes. Brunson played 31 minutes. Hart played 24 minutes. Look, it's 2-2. We're going back home.

We're going to be in our building, and let's see. Hey, now, I picked the Pacers because I think because they can run. I thought they're a more rounded team. They're a deeper team. I think the Knicks starting five is better.

But where the Pacers make up the ground is when they bring up bring their bench into play. So, what you're talking about the minutes that the players are playing,

Josh Hart, Devin Chinco. Devin Chinco. Devin Chinzo. Devin Chinzo. My bad. Apologies. talking about the minutes that the players are playing josh hart david chinko david chinko david chenzo david chenzo my bad apologies josh hart david chenzo jaylen brunson do you think isaiah hartenstein do you think it's on tibbs or is it tibbs fault the fact that they're playing too too too many minutes to where they look sluggish as opposed to the way they look today, as opposed to how they look the first two games. So are they playing too many minutes?

But they got to because they're down Julius Randle. They're down Robinson. So they're down, what's it, Chua? No, OG, Ananobi. So they're down three guys. That's right. His hamstring. That's right.anobi so they're down three guys his hamstring that's right yeah so they're down three guys now tibbs everybody knows tibbs when they followed it and and when he was at chicago right when he's at minnesota he's gonna run you in the ground now oh it's a track meet oh he's gonna run you in the ground no he's gonna he's gonna play minutes right you're gonna play

heavy minutes right heavy minutes and the problem that you run into in the playoffs is that you shorten your bench. Mm-hmm. And so now you got Jalen Brunson playing 44, 45, 46 minutes. You got Josh Hart playing 48 minutes every night. Right. At that level of intensity. At some point in time, it's going to catch up with you. Okay.

I'm glad you said that. I got something you can teach me about basketball again. On the back end. Yes. When it comes to playoff time, how about you don't shorten the bench? You can't. Because you got to go with the guys that you know.

You got to go, you're going to shorten it because you got to go with the guys that you know. You got three or four guys. Right. And now, obviously, it could change.

You put a guy in there and mop up time. Right. You're losing by 20 points and there's three minutes left in the game, and you come in there and kill a couple of buckets, he catches your eye. Like, okay. Kind of like if you go back and look at the situation with the Golden State Warriors. They were getting blowed out in game three.

They make the switch, put Iguodala in there. They're like, okay, we like the way this flow. Right, right, right. They lose another game. So maybe there's something that one of the guys can come in and do that's going to cause Tim to catch the coaching staff eyes. And they're like, okay,

let's see if we can get him four or five minutes. Let's see what he can do. Okay. But the bench, and this is why I gave Indiana the edge, is because of Obi Toppin and because of T.J. McConnell and Jackson. Those guys off the bench.

T.J. McConnell, you love a guy like that. Look, he can't stop Brunson. He's like, I just want to just tire him out. I just want to make him work. I'm going to make him work. I'm going to pick him up at 94. And then when I go out, hey, y'all guys might not pick him up 94,

but pick him up 50. Obi Toppin is coming in, giving you buckets. Hey, the Knicks drafted him. He's like, y'all gave up on me. Let me show you what y'all missing now. And so Jackson is active on the board. He giving you putbacks. That was the reason why I took the Pacers.

I think the Knicks have the better starting five. That was the reason why I took the Pacers. I think the Knicks have the better starting five, but I think the Pacers have the better bench. Now, we got to get into it where you have to play your bench because your guys are fatigued or some guys are in foul trouble. I think that's what would give the Pacers the

advantage. I got the perfect scenario for the next players. Josh Hart, I know you're going to see this. Jalen Brunson, I know y'all are going to see this. Cole Tubb, I know you already do that anyway. Cole Tubb

before the next game, you got a few days to rest. Contrast back and forth. Before the next game, after doing the Cole Tubb, after doing the cold tub, you do your shoot around, whatever. I know you're not going to,

you're not going to, Tibbs is not going to push you hard before your next game. Right before you play again, hit the cold tub right before the game. Take a half of Viagra. Take a half of Viagra and I guarantee you,

it get the blood flow going, that explosion and you feeling fresh like it's the beginning of the season. That's exactly how you're going to feel. I'm telling you, it's the blood flow going, that explosion, and you feeling fresh, like it's the beginning of the season, that's exactly how you're going to feel. I'm telling you, it's going to save you. It's going to save you. I used to do the contrast before he came over. You know, I contrast, you get hot,

cold, hot, cold. Oh, yeah. And you get that fresh blood flowing through the body. And you... I'm good. We're ready. Okay, let's do this. Let's go Hey, and you, I'm good. We're ready. Okay, let's do this.

Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Hey, the people in the chat that probably don't know

that have never played sports at that level, maybe if you played in high school, don't understand what it feels like when you get in that cold tub and that hot tub, you contrast back and forth

and you get, you get those chills, you freeze everything up and you get in that, that and that hot tub and you contrast back and forth and you get those chills, you freeze everything up and you're getting that hot tub and everything released. You get back in the cold and do it back and forth. I used to do it about maybe three times. When it's time to go out there and run again, boy,

I swear to God, it feel like you never ran a day in your life. It feel like you never ran a day in your life. Legs feel so flushed, so cold. They feel so good. Brand new. Yeah, man. But again, if Josh Hart, Jalen Brunson, I know y'all going to see this, add the half of pill, add half of Viagra. I'm telling you, the increase in blood flow

is going to help the lower body extremities to increase explosion, athleticism, lateral movement, all that shit. I promise you, I lied for you before I lied to you. Try it. Knicks do, excuse me, the Pacers do what they need to do. They hold serve at home. They take, they go back to Madison Square Garden,

tied 2-2. Normally, they say, what, 70, 73% of the team that win game five ends up winning the series. Right. Let's see. Knicks got blown out. All the games, for the most part, have really ends up winning the series. Let's see. Knicks got blown out. All the games, for the most part, have really come down to the wire

the last two to three minutes of the ball game. This game was over at the end of the first quarter. I get it. I understand that, you know, 20 points in today's game, but you didn't see anything, any form of life, any sort of spark that the Knicks could display that made you think they were going to ever get back into this game. But give the Pacers credit.

They tied a series up, head back to New York, tied 2-2. The Atlanta Hawks get the number one overall pick. The Hawks earned the number one overall pick in the lottery this year despite having a just 3% chance of doing so. Nine other teams had better odds

for the number one pick, but Atlanta managed to leapfrog them all. GM Landry Fields, you remember Landry Fields, played with the Knicks, also played with the Toronto Raptors, told reporters moving the number one pick isn't on the team's radar just yet. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What do they mean, moving the number one pick? So is there a chance the Hawks wouldn't want it, you mean?

Yeah, because they're looking at it. There's not a LeBron. There's not a Shaq. There's not a Tim Duncan. There's not a Victor Wimbinyama. There's not a Kareem or Matt. There's not one, just one franchise-changing player in a draft. Not one.

No Ant-Man. Nothing? But see, even Ant-Man. Nothing. That's the thing. But see, even Ant-Man wasn't consensus. He wasn't consensus, number one. Yeah, because you had James Wiseman and you had LaMelo Ball. So it wasn't like a Shaq. When Shaq came out.

Right. Orlando, or as a matter of fact, Orlando disconnected their phone because they didn't even want you to waste your time calling them when LeBron came out don't even waste your time calling them when Tim Duncan

when Wimby I mean you're not moving a guy like that okay time out time out I'm confused how was

Anthony Edwards not consensus when he was coming out what were what were the scouts looking at? And are you saying LaMelo Ball and James Weiss was better than him during that time? No, but I'm saying there were

some thoughts that LaMelo Ball could go number one, James Weissman could go number one. It wasn't like, when they talked in the 92 draft, everybody knew Shaq was going number one. Everybody knew LeBron was going number one. Even though he was coming out of high school. LeBq was going number one. Right. Everybody knew LeBron was going number one. Even though he was coming out of high school. Right.

LeBron was going number one. Everybody knew there are certain guys like Tim Duncan. What are we talking about here? I mean, the fact that coming out of Georgia, Anthony Diaz wasn't viewed as a consistent overall number one pick is beyond me based on

how he's turned out in such a short amount of time in the NBA. But here's the thing. There have been a lot of number one picks that didn't turn out like that. Name one. Well. Okay, name two. And wait, wait a minute.

Before you name them, remember, name one that didn't turn out how it should turn out, that went number one, but it wasn't because of injury. That wasn't injured. That just turned out all, this is messed up. Well, Michael Oluwakandi.

Injury. Michael Oluwakandi didn't have no injury. He had no bad knees? You talking about Greg Oden. From Ohio State? Yeah, that's Oden. He had bad knees. He had bad knees, yeah. Okay, okay. Kwame, they're been a lot.

The guy from Cleveland, what was his name? Anthony Bennett. He went number one. He's out of the league in two years. Wait, out of the league in two years and you went number one? Yes. Ocho, the hardest thing to do is to predict what someone is going to be because you don't know how hard they're going to work,

what does it mean to them. Because look at a guy like Jokic. Jokic came in the league. You know Jokic drafted in the second round? He was fat. He was out of shape. And he said it. He said, I drank in a case to maybe two cases, like a case of Coke a day.

He trimmed up three MVPs in four years. Now he's the best player in basketball. It's like a football player. Ocho, we've seen them. Guys go number one. How do I know, Ocho? How do I know what's in here? I see all the physical tools.

I see a guy throw the ball 60 yards on one knee. I see the guy roll and throw the ball back across the field 80 yards. I see a guy do all that. But how much time is he going to put into it? Right. I have a question. Do you think at times some of the teams that they go to, it does more good than bad?

It does more bad than good based on where they go. In basketball and football. So you look at some of the situations. Players, when you get drafted early in the NFL, you're going to a horrible team. Most of the time, that number one pick is normally a quarterback. And when you go to a team and your quarterback is number one and they're

horrible, you get in a situation like what's Young Bull? What's Young Bull from Alabama? Went to Carolina. Bryce... Bryce Young. Oh, look! Look, you come from Alabama. There are no weaknesses on defense, on offense. Your O-line is good.

Your running back good. Your receivers are good. And then once you get to the next level, you have to do that much more because you're going... Listen, the playing field evens out once you get to the league. It evens out. But a lot of times, it's not how high you go. But Ocho,

it's still, I want to be number one. I don't give a damn. Send me to hell. If I'm going to be the number one pick, let me go to hell. I'm going to be number one. I just want to be the number one pick, Ocho, because guess what? There's something about that. Everybody says, what do you hear them say? When guys come out of the draft, what do they say, Ocho?

Football, basketball, baseball, what do they say? What they want to be, Ocho? Who said that, you know what? I want to be the second pick in the draft. I want to be the 10th pick in the draft. Who said that? But circumstance. Everybody says, I'm the best player in this draft.

And you're the best player, but you got to understand, look at the team you're going to. Because what's going to happen now, you're the best player in the draft. You you're the best player if you got to understand look at the team you're going to. Because what's going to happen now, you're the best player in the draft. You are the best on the team that you're in where you had a bunch of stars around you.

If you're going to the worst team, you can get exposed when you are the number one pick, which happens most of the time because you don't have that elite talent around you. Right. Now you got to be that boy.

Now if you're really not that boy, you're going to get exposed. But you got to think about boy. Now if you really not that boy, you're going to get exposed. But you got to think about it. Plus, Ocho, they so young. It's not like when guys like Tim Duncan came out. Tim Duncan played all four years. So Tim Duncan is 22.

You get guys coming out now, Ocho, they're 18. They's 19 years of age. Yeah. That's a whole, there's a big gap between a 19-year-old thinking and a 22-year-old thinking.

It just is. Oh, and you know what else comes into play? Skill set. Yes. Your skill set, what you can do. I mean, you could be 22 and you could have a 20-year-old that's a hooper, you could have an 18-year-old that's a hooper and the 18-year-old might be better.

Mindset. Might be better. Lookset. Might be better. Look at a guy like Kobe. Kobe came in at 17 years of age, but he had a 25-year-old mindset. Right, right, right. Only thing he cared about was basketball. Right, that's it. That chasing and doing that other stuff,

Kobe cared about basketball. You look at LeBron. Came in 18, turned 19 in December. He had a singular focus. Right. Shaq got an opportunity to spend three years in December. He had a singular focus. Shaq got an opportunity to spend three years in college. That's a whole different ballgame

as a guy spending one year in college because you do get to develop a pattern of being away from home, being on your own. One year of college, that's really not a whole lot of time. And then some guys was coming straight out of high school. Come out of high school. Yeah. I think...

Come out of high school, you got to be a basketball savant. You got to be that boy. You got to just dominate the competition to where it looks like you almost don't belong.

You're not supposed to be here. Right. I mean, you had guys that liked that. Do I believe had Shaq, his father,

who was in the military, Shaq could have come out. Because, I mean, he's 7'1". He's damn near 300 pounds as an 18-year-old. Where they grow them at? Right, right, right, right, right. I can't coach height. You either have it or I can teach you to get lateral quickness.

I can work on the three-point shot. I can teach you to get—I can't teach you to grow. What am I going to do, put carbon d'or in your shoes? It's nice dirt? I can't teach you to grow what I'm going to do put carbon ore in your shoes it's nice dirt I can't teach you that it's just what they say in football Ocho I can't teach you to run fast son

either you got it or you don't you can't teach speed you can't teach speed I can teach you technique I can say son hey sit outside follow your keys you know when they

they on a three by one? Right. You see where he's lined up? Hey, what you playing for? I mean, look, think about where he's at. Right. He's two yards outside the numbers. Mm-hmm.

Hey, I'm thinking out. What you thinking? Yeah. Oh, he's three yards outside the number. What you thinking? I'm thinking bang. Right. You know what I'm saying?

I can get keys based on his alignment. Right. The formation, where we are on the field, and based on the data that we're breaking down through four, eight, 12, however many games. So I can factor all that in. Now, how well can I process that through the course of the game? Fast, fast, too. I got to do—a lot of guys can do it in the first quarter,

but in the second quarter, your mind starts to drip. Okay, you've given up a play, and now you're focused on, and now you're not reading your keys. But this, look at this. In the 2018 draft, DeAndre Ayton went number one overall. Marvin Bagley

went number two overall. Guess who the third pick was, Ocho? Who? Luca. So who do third pick was, Ocho? Who? Luka. So who do you think should have been number one in that draft, Ocho? Based on what they've done so far? Yeah.

Luka. And now Marvin Bagley, he hasn't been that bad, has he? He hasn't been that bad. He's been in Sacramento. I think he went to Sacramento. He's in Detroit right now. Huh? The 11th pick.

Guess who the 11th pick in that draft was? 11? Yep. The 11th pick in the draft, 2018. Guess who he was, Ocho? Who that? Shea, Gilgis, Alexander. What are the scouts looking at in college?

See? Ocho, if it was that easy, nobody would miss. Jokic went in the second round, like in the 40s. So you just, you never know. So basketball and football must be completely different then when it comes to drafting. Because what you put up in college most of the time, to me, I'm thinking most of the time

when you saw Jamar Chase in college, you knew what you was getting when you drafted him. When you saw Justin Jefferson in college, you knew what you was getting when you drafted him that early. When you saw Joe Burrow, you knew what you was getting. Tell me why Tom Brady went in the sixth round 192. Oh, you know what? 199.

That's a good one. That's a good one. I ain't even got the argument for that. I ain't even got the argument for that. John Ramble went undrafted. Minnesota Vikings, John Ramble? Went undrafted. Boy, that's crazy, bro.

Jalen Brunson was picked 33 in 2018. Villanova. Villanova, Janova Jalen? Yeah. The one that said the Knicks. Wait. That's the second round. They only got two rounds, right?

They only got two rounds. They got 30 teams. So you get 30 is the cutoff. Oof. Oof. You think that was because of this hype? Hell, Allen Iverson, how tall you thought A.I. was?

That's a different animal now. Come on now. That's a different animal. See what you did? Now you thinking like the Scouts. You see what you did? Like the Scouts. You based it on his height. You forget what you saw at Villanova when he led them to a national championship.

You see? Wait, let me tell you why I'm saying that though. What? Forget what you saw at Villanova when he led them to a national championship. You see? Oh, no. Wait. Let me tell you why I'm saying that, though. What? Was it the college championship this year? Who won the college championship this year? UConn.

Who was the guard that's really short? And I said, oh, man, he's balling. He's definitely going to the NBA. And everybody on Twitter got on my head. Nah, he might make it to the G League. He's too short. Castle? You talking about Castle? I think that might be him, if I'm not mistaken.

Obviously, I can't go that far. No, you like the big tall guy. You like the 7'3 guy. You like Zach Eady. Talking about they ain't got no place for him to play in the NBA? I thought, listen, maybe it's too late now. Well, hell, if Cat could do it, can they work on his mid-range? Can they work on him playing at the top of the NBA? I thought, listen, maybe it's too late now. Well, hell, if Cat can do it, can they work on his mid-range? Can they work on him

playing at the top, top of the key? Maybe it's too late. Nah, nah, nah. I mean, at worst, he should be able to be, get some hustle.

He could be a Hartenstein. Hartenstein done carved out a nice little niche for himself. He could be a Rudy Gobert. He could be a Zubat. You mean to tell me he can't be Zubat from the Clippers? Right.

I mean, look, everybody ain't got to be Shaq. Everybody ain't got to be Tim Duncan. Everybody ain't got to be Kareem. Damn. Just tell yourself, but tall. You got to have the footwork for that. That footwork has been in him for life. It's already been there.

So the foundation to work with. Yeah. Then you add the tools and you had the footwork already. Then you become Tim Duncan. Miss the fundamentals. Yeah, but the thing is, Ocho, people just automatically assume

if they see somebody short, but he should be AI. No. Different skillset. You see somebody tall. Why he can't be this height? Man, he taller than... Bro, it don't work like that.

DNA. Everybody that's six. So now every time somebody's 6'6", oh, that's Michael Jordan. Just because Michael Jordan was 6'6". Kobe was 6'6". And so everybody that's 6'6", they remind you of Kobe.

They remind you... No, they don't. Yeah. Do you understand? They're like, there's levels. No matter what, there are levels. Even if you go in the most exclusive store, there's levels. No matter what, there are levels. Even if you go in the most exclusive store, there's levels to this. They got stuff that's out that you can touch.

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up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay. Yeah. So there's levels to whatever you do. They got levels to it. Yeah. And everybody has a ceiling.

You can work as hard as you want on everything you want, but you still have a physical ceiling on what you are capable of doing based on your DNA. You're only going to be able to do so much. Yeah. And people are like, well, if he could do this,

I say, man, so y'all wanted God to make Shaq have footwork like Elijah won, can shoot the ball like Dirk Nowitzki, and then handle the ball. I don't know what damn high fare would that be. He made him 7'1", 325 with less than 10% body fat. Man, if LeBron—

I said, bro, do you understand what LeBron is? He's 6'9", 265 pounds. He got Karl Malone's body. He can handle the ball like magic, and he can post you up like a true five. Mm-hmm. But y'all want him to shoot the ball like Steph Curry. God damn.

Listen, the funny thing. Just imagine if Steph Curry was 6'8". Well, damn, how fair would that be? You going to let the man be 6'8"? And be able to shoot the ball like that? Like that? Yeah, that's crazy. Damn.

That's crazy. They want their favorite player, Ocho, to have everything. Every attribute, like 2K. I mean, damn! I mean, he got to, God got to make him have something. He got to be able to have some weakness. Even the fastest cars. So what if a car could go 200 miles an hour?

Man, I want to get 50 miles to the gallon. God damn! How you want something to go that fast? get 50 miles to the Gallup. God damn! How you want to go there, man? Get 50 miles to the Gallup. Right. You know what's funny? Think about what you did. All the attributes you just said, you know who got

everything? Wim Bam Yama. Well, maybe except, maybe not the strength. What if he had shack size? Okay, that wouldn't be fair. Don't do that. See?

That wouldn't be fair. That wouldn't be fair. Thank you. Hey, hold on. To be able to put the ball on the floor like that. Yes. To be able to shoot like that from the three. Yes. And go on the post.

Yes. Oh, hell, that wouldn't be fair. And then you add weight on him like Shaq? Thank you. Thank you. How is that fair? Nah. Nah. So you can't give a guy everything? Damn. That's like saying,

man, what if Tom Brady had Lamar Jackson quickness? Hold on. What if Tom Brady was like Michael Vick? Come on, man. Man, them jokers with 700 700 and 0 they win the Super Bowl

every year come on man never lose you gotta have you gotta I mean you gotta have there gotta be

some limitations on what you can do man man what if Michael Jordan could shoot the three ball like Steph really dude

really so he done game he can jump out the gym he got a mid-range. He can put the ball on the floor. He can put you in. He make 80 plus percent of his free throw, but now you want to shoot plus 40 percent from the three-point line

on volume threes. Right. Really? I said, man, y'all want somebody to have every single thing. No deficiencies. Everybody got a weakness. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. Whew!

Detroit Pistons have finished the worst record in the NBA for the last two years, but the draft lottery has been incredibly cruel to them. For the second consecutive year, the Pistons have landed the number five overall pick in the draft. They had a 14% chance of securing the number one pick both years and more than 50% chance

of having a top three pick, but it did not happen either time. Detroit is the only team to ever have the best odds to win the lottery, then land at number five, and it's happened to them two straight years. So, God, what'd you get for losing all these damn games on purpose? God, what'd you get? How about, are they

losing them on purpose? Yeah! Okay, so if you're losing them on purpose in hopes of getting the picks you need, at what point will your team ever be in contention to do anything? Well, it ain't going to be in contention because you're hoping, because it's like San Antonio.

See, San Antonio had to draft well because you're not going to get somebody to come to San Antonio. If you go back and since free agency, the only guy that's really come was LaMarcus Aldridge. But they drafted. They drafted Tim Duncan. They drafted Tony Parker. They drafted Manu DeGenova. They

drafted Kawhi Leonard. They drafted you know, so you draft really, really well. They drafted David Robinson. They drafted Wim Benyama because the likelihood of you getting somebody to come there. Look at the Lakers. See, the Lakers are going to get people to come.

They got Wilt to come. They got Shaq to come. They got LeBron to come. They got Kareem to come. Right. Some places, you're going to attract. Right. The stars.

Now, perfect question. Lead up for my question. A place that's going to attract the stars. Now, perfect question. Lead up for my question. A place that's going to attract stars. Who wouldn't want to play in Atlanta? So my question to you is, do the Hawks go full rebuild and trade Young and DeJounte Murray for a gang of picks or keep one? Who would be the one you keep?

DeJounte or Trey? Keep one and try to be competitive immediately by getting a gang of picks. Oh, my goodness. Ocho, you and I know, look, I love Atlanta. I wouldn't want to play in Atlanta. Why?

Too much distraction. Distractions? Yeah, and plus, Ocho plus I'm close to home. There are 30 NBA teams, right? Yeah. All of them not created equal. Every NBA city had distractions. They ain't created like

all cities ain't created like Atlanta. You know that, I know that. It's not. An NBA player that's focused on his game in the NBA with a Kobe-type mindset, you think women's playing is going to affect him? On a team, how many of you think, on a football team, how many people you think focus on a 53-man roster, not counting the practice squad, how many of them are focused?

I mean, the person who has the most focus is probably the quarterback. Probably the quarterback. The quarterback. Quarterback is always the most focused. On, I'm not talking about, no, no. Probably the quarterback. Probably the quarterback. The quarterback. Quarterback is always the most focused. On a 53-man roster, how many of them as focused

as they need to be? Mmm. That's hard. Ain't nothing going on in Cincinnati. Hey, the skyline chili ain't popping like that. Cincinnati popping, boy.

The Midwest is like that. Skyline chili. And I know you can jump down to, what you call them, to the Kentucky Derby. I know you can. Wait a minute. Cincinnati.

Move right down the street. Stop it. Let me tell you something. In Cincinnati, when I was playing, we had a place called Annie's. Annie's just like Magic City. No, it ain't. Don't do that. No, it ain't.

Annie's just like Magic City. Ain't nobody put no Annie's in no song. We have. Ain't nobody put no Annie in no song. Hold on. Ain't nobody, when they get to their hotel, drop their bags off and go straight to Annie's in no song. We had skating. Ain't nobody put no Annie in no song. Hold on. Ain't nobody, when they get to their hotel, drop their bags off

and go straight to Annie's. They go in the Magic City. Stop it. Hey, we had roller skating. I used to go to the session after the game, 7 to 11, roller skating.

Well, you go to the roller skating out there on KK Road. See? If you want to go, well, you have roll bars. Same thing. I mean, I'm just saying. This man tried to tell me Cincinnati is the equivalent of Atlanta.

It is. Cincinnati got women, too. Huh? We got the banks. When's the last time you've been to Cincinnati? Have you been on the river? Have you been on the banks and seen the banks now? Cincinnati not the same Cincinnati that you remember when you was playing.

Think about what you said. It's Cincinnati not the same Cincinnati that you remember when you were playing. Think about what you said. It's Cincinnati. Wait, Cincinnati today? Right now? It's better than Atlanta. What you talking about? We have more to offer. Ask NFL players right now. What do they want to play? Would they rather play in Atlanta or would they rather play in Cincinnati?

They would rather play with Joe Burrow. Would you rather live in Atlanta or live in Cincinnati. No, no, no. They would rather play with Joe Burrow. Would you rather live in Atlanta or live in Cincinnati? No, they're going to say they'd rather live in Cincinnati and play with Joe Burrow because of what we have to offer. Man, stop it.

Man, stop it. Let's bet. Let's bet. Let's bet. What you want to bet? Let me see. This man say women in Cincinnati are the equivalent of Atlanta.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Better? Have you been to Cincinnati? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Atlanta is... I might not even make first take tomorrow. I might be drunk.

Listen. I might be drunk on the show. No, you ain't drunk. Listen, I love Atlanta. I will be. I've only been to Atlanta maybe five or six times in my lifetime. I love Atlanta. I will be. I've only been to Atlanta maybe five or six times in my lifetime.

I love Atlanta. It's considered black Hollywood. Beautiful people. Beautiful people. Cincinnati, we have everything. Every ethnicity you're looking for. What the hell you think Atlanta got? Huh? What the hell you think Atlanta got? Atlanta's called black Hollywood for a reason,

because we dominate it in all areas, in all facets. It's awesome. It's great. The only people, and look here, the only people that's moving to Cincinnati are athletes. They play for the Reds. They play for the Bengals. You need to stop this, Ochoa.

See, you don't understand. I do understand quite well. You think about the 80s and the 90s. Cincinnati's not the same anymore. I'm thinking about Cincinnati. Think about it. Think about what you're saying. Cincinnati's not the same. We have evolved. We have evolved. Cincinnati is not the same anymore. I'm thinking about Cincinnati. Think about it. Think about what you're saying. Cincinnati is not the same. We have evolved.

We have evolved. Cincinnati. We have evolved. Cincinnati. A very safe place to live. The people are great. The organization is great. Right now, we have a poll up, better women. Atlanta crushing. Oh. 84%.

Cincinnati, 16%. That's because the 84% ain't never been to Cincinnati. They've never lived there. And that 16% ain't never been to Atlanta. Man, this man... Man, this man's in a...

Hey, Chad. This man just out of here arguing. I'm telling you, I'm not arguing with you. I'm just stating facts because I lived in Cincinnati for 11 years.

I've been to Atlanta six times. And Atlanta is beautiful. The people are awesome. Everybody is on their business. Everybody is doing something great in Atlanta. Awesome place to be. I haven't visited often,

but I know what Cincinnati has to offer. Look, accept this collab because we're going to put this up and we're going to stay in no business, but I know what Cincinnati has to offer. Look, accept this collab because we're going to put this up and we're going to stand on business and I want you to read the comments when they come into your page. Okay. Well, I didn't say anything bad about Atlanta. I just said people would prefer... No! No!

I would say people would prefer to live in Cincinnati. I'm not saying nothing bad. Ain't nothing wrong with Atlanta. Man, look here. If you like Skyline Chili, take off. Skyline Chili, have you ever heard of Jeff Ruby Steakhouse? Huh? We got way more than that. Huh?

The precinct? Come on now. Stay with me now. We got more than Skyline Chili. You know what y'all known for? Y'all known for a TV show. WKRP in Cincinnati. That's what y'all known for.

And that's because y'all had Lonnie Anderson on there. You better stop it. Hold on. Well, what is ATL known for? You better stop. What are they known for? How about this? They known for ATL?

How about this? The birthplace of the civil rights movement. Do I need to say anything else? Can I ask you a question? Yes. With that civil rights movement, right? Yes. Stay with me now.

Dr. Martin Luther King. Dr. Martin Luther King. How much has changed since then? Oh, you think it's bad now? I'm just asking. Go back to civil rights before this. Oh, yeah. Go back to Jim Crow.

I know, but let me tell you something. If you're paying attention, now, I'm not one to get into politics, but if you're paying attention, you know history repeats itself, don't it? You know that, right? But that's what you got to do. You got to educate and enlighten people

so we don't let it repeat itself. Oh, listen. The funny thing about it, I'm glad you said that. Listen. Do you know the history of Cincinnati? Do you know the history of Cincinnati and the police officers and the blacks there? Don't go there now. Oh, yes, I do. you said that. Do you know the history of Cincinnati? Do you know the history of Cincinnati and the police officers and the blacks there? Don't go there now.

Oh, yes, I do. I don't want to get into no history. I know, but I'm just saying, listen, I like fighting a good fight. Stay with me real quick. Listen to what I say real quick. I normally don't like to go into politics, but the Civil Rights Movement,

history always repeats itself. Now, I love the good fight and I love to be a part of the good fight. Yes. The problem is the people you need to swing at and the people you need to touch are untouchable. You get where I'm going with this?

No, we just, hey, look, we understand. We got to do, look. Okay, okay. We got to do a better job because my job is, as a person that has a little, has a little power, a little thing, is to employ people that look like me, and

then hopefully they become big enough, they leave me and have their own company and hire more people that look like us. And to continue to keep that chain of us putting each other up. Yes, yes. I mean, my thing is, Ocho, I try to collab like Gil.

Because I offered to pay Gil. Gil said, nah, I just want to be able, because I see what you're doing, Ocho, I try to collab like Gil. Yeah. Because I offer to pay Gil. Gil said, nah, I just want to be able, because I see what you're doing, and I want you to show me how you're doing it. Right, right. A lot of times, I've tried to partner with people. They're like, nah, nah, we good. Okay, you good. I ain't been, I'm not fitting to beg somebody to try to give them information, Ocho, when

they're unwilling to accept it. Right, right. Because, you know, oh, he think he Joe Rogan. Oh, he think... Right, right. Say no more thing. I'm not happy to argue with you.

You said no, I'm good. Yeah, you know what I would love to do? Speaking of collabing, and speaking of, I wish I was able to show my range. Like, I know people see me and it's, you know, the funny guy, fun guy guy having fun

but there's a serious side of me as well one that I don't show very often I would love to talk politics I would love to talk race and religion and all this stuff

but that's really never been my stink that's never been my niche you know I wish I could talk politics like Roland Martin I wish I could talk politics like a Don Lemon

or a Mark Lamont Mark Lamont Hill I would love to be able to say the show that range be on a platform and actually

sit there and break things down but I can't I mean I can but I don't want to because I understand that's a battle where there's no win because it's always

back and forth it's always tug and pull back and forth back and forth and there's never there's no win. Because it's always back and forth. It's always tug and pull. Back and forth, back and forth. And there's never a solution. Because we're still fighting the same fight eons, years later. I think the biggest thing is, Ocho, is that right now, people are

dug in on their sides. It's kind of like, what we have right now is the Jordan-LeBron debate. You either believe it's Jordan or you believe it's LeBron. Based on preference. Right now, this is where we are. Yeah. You got a two-party system and you believe in that no matter what happens, no matter what he does, boom.

No matter what the other side, no matter what he does, no matter what he says, you believe in that. So that's, it's hard. And when you get a person, when you get people that's so dug in on their belief it ain't no moving them off yeah you can't change it it's impossible so what you try to do is get the people that's undecided you try to sway them because they're a certain group of people when that man said he could shoot somebody on fifth avenue yeah would nothing happen he ain't lying oh yeah and there are certain people that vote Democrat and they're going to vote Democrat and they're not going to lie. Yeah.

And so, that's where we are. You know, before we go on to the next thing, always think about it like this, right? You have Democrats, you have Republicans, right? Yes. And you have the government. The government, to me, I believe at times, it gives us the

illusion that they're for the people. To me, at times, it gives us, the me, I believe at times it gives us the illusion that they're for the people. To me, at times it gives us as the people an illusion that they are for us. Right. But if you really dig into it deep and you realize there's a higher power that controls everything, that pulls the strings. There are a certain number of families. I'm not going to get too deep into it. That no matter what happens, they're only going to allow so much freedom for us. Only so much.

And every time they give you a little bit, and what we do? Oh, we get hyped, we get happy because they move the inch, they move the bar just a little bit. Just a little bit. And just a little bit. What's going to happen at one point and we

when you'll see I'm not sure when it will happen history will start to repeat itself certain laws that were put in place will be taken away

little by little matter of fact if you don't pay attention if you don't pay attention you won't even know this is happening but they're going to pull it right from the front of the road

but that's what's going on oh so you know so you know. Yeah. I don't want to make this a political debate, but okay. Everybody saw that. You see what happened with Roe v. Wade. Oh, yeah.

You see how they tried to do away with affirmative action. You see all the things that they're trying to implement. But here's the thing. The government can't be for the people if there are people that have power that can sway it. It's really that simple. I mean, I wish it was. I wish it. I wish it wasn't like that. Come on, man. You know what? Hey, we're going to have we're going to have a nightcap after the presidential debate. We have the debate. The volume.

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