Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Ocho, Ro Sparks package came in, George Foreman passes away, & Grant Holloway completes the Three-peat

Episode Date: March 24, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Ocho receiving his new Ro package in the mail, George Foreman passes away at the age of 76, and Cooper Flagg puts on a show to beat Duke! Grant Holloway completes the three-peat in the 60m Hurdles and much more!!08:30 - Ocho has Ro Sparks12:00 - George Foreman passes away16:47 - All March Madness brackets busted25:36 - Cooper Flagg leads Duke against Baylor29:10 - Player complaints over overinflated balls33:00 - Ritchie McKay’s viral haircut38:52 - Grant Holloway clinches three-peat41:00 - Coach Prime and Asante Samuel beef1:03:00 - Giants still going after Aaron Rodgers(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And once they're gone, they're gone. So please get yours while supplies last. Ocho, we're going to start the show. Unfortunately, we got to start the show with some sad news. Former heavyweight champion George Foreman has passed away at the age of 76. George Foreman, a two-time world heavyweight, the world heavyweight champ,

an Olympic gold medalist, if I'm not mistaken, in 1968, who was regarded as one of the hardest punches in boxing history. One of his most memorable punches, he knocked out Michael Moore

despite being down by all the scorecards in 1994 to reclaim his heavyweight championship belt at the age of 45. He was inducted into the both World Boxing Hall of Fame and the International Boxing Hall of Fame. Big George. If I'm not mistaken, George was the heavyweight champion in 1968 in Mexico City. Joe Frazier was the heavyweight champion in 1968 in Mexico City. George Frazier was, Joe Frazier was the heavyweight champion in 64.

I think if I'm not mistaken, I think it's Tokyo. And then Ali was 1960 in Rome. And so we had a great, you know, boxing used to be, we used to dominate boxing. We don't do it anymore, Ocho, but we used to dominate, America used to dominate the sport of boxing. Yes. And I think George, a lot of people remember for the loss that he had against Muhammad Ali

in the Rumble in the Jungle. Yeah. Some of his famous fights when he knocked that, he almost killed Joe Frazier. Yeah. And that's when Muhammad Ali was like, down goes Frazier.

Frazier, yeah. Down goes Frazier. And he kept knocking him down and Joe kept getting up until he finally knocked him out and the fight was over. One of his most famous fights, guys, if you get a chance, go YouTube this fight. Now, it's not artistically pretty.

But you're talking about two guys just throwing haymakers? You will never see another heavyweight fight like this. George Foreman against Ron Lyle. Oh, okay, okay. I don't know if you've ever seen it, Chad, but if you get an opportunity, please watch this fight. Now, it's not a thing of beauty. It's not great defense. It's just two guys. know if you've ever seen a chat but if you get an opportunity yes please watch this fight now i'm not it's not a thing of beauty it's not great defense it's just two guys throwing haymakers upside each other's head and both fighters go down get up the other one down get up knock the

other one down it's as good a heavyweight fight you'll see form and. But, and now, I don't know how many people, but he started this George Foreman grill. I got three of them. I had two smaller than I got the big one that's about this big. Yeah. I did. When I was back when I was playing, that's what we used to cook on. So I cooked hamburgers,

we cooked steak and things like that on the George Foreman grill. And if you had one, you guys know what I'm talking about. It had the lines on it. All you mean would always have those lines on it. But it was great. And I'm so sad to see Big George because, you know, he turned his life over to God. He became an ordained minister.

He got a big family, loved his kids, loved his wife. And unfortunately, George Foreman passed away at the ripe age of 76. Oh, man. Listen, obviously, you know, and the people in the chat, I'm sure you guys know how enthusiastic and passionate I am about the sport of boxing and combat sports in general. Obviously, I wasn't old enough to be able to watch George Foreman, but I was able to go back and watch some of the fights with him and Ali, Joe Frazier, and some others. And he's one of the all-time greats. He's one of the all-time greats. And it's very sad to hear of his passing.

And normally, most of the time, we celebrate when someone passes on. And I went back and watched some of his best fights. I watched some of his best fights. I wasn't in town at the time of his passing. So, I mean, it was sad to hear a legend, definitely a legend, legend gone. It is. It's so sad.

But like I said, I mean, George, he loved his country because if you go back and look, he got the little American flag and he's waving them in the ring because he's proud to be in America. Especially in 68, everybody knows what was going on in 68. That was the height of the Civil Rights Movement. If I'm not mistaken, Dr. King had just gotten assassinated in April. I think the Summer Olympics

was happening a little later that summer. America was on edge. That's also Carlos and Tommy Smith being kicked out for raising on the podium when they finished also Carlos and Tommy Smith being kicked out for raising on the podium when they finished 1-3 in the 200 meters.

speaking to Mr. Smith, you know, when I was at Oregon State, the head coach, I mean Oregon State, when I was at Santa Monica Junior College, my head coach was

Robert Taylor, rest in peace. Tommy Smith was a track coach at Santa Monica Junior College during my time there. Yep. Yeah, that's crazy. So,

George Foreman, gone at the age. Yep. Yeah, that's crazy. So, George Foreman, gone at the age of 76. Gone but never forgotten. We'll remember his contributions to what he did for the sport of boxing, what he did for his community, and George Foreman, and I thought some prayers go out to him,

to his family, and all those impacted by the passing of George Foreman, gone at the age of 76. Ocho, March Madness has zero perfect brackets that remain. More than 34 million brackets was entered. None remained perfect. It took 43 games, but number three, Kentucky's 84-75 win

over number six, Illinois, busted the final bracket. So, Ocho, this is the first time that a men's perfect bracket has lasted until the second round since 2019. In 2024, the last perfect men's bracket was busted in the 31st game of the tournament. Are you surprised that there are no perfect brackets remaining? Listen, I'm not surprised because if you look at the odds when it comes to having a perfect bracket and winning prize money or winning something for having the perfect bracket, I mean, you would know the chance of winning or having the perfect bracket is less likely than actually winning the lotto. If I'm not mistaken, statistically. And if it's like that, the chance of having a perfect bracket,

you would have to almost guess or create multiple brackets at that to actually have one that goes perfect and have different scenarios in the way games are going to play out. Because if you look at it, this only comes down to one game. It comes down to one game. I was excited and didn't even create a bracket. I just went on a limb and said, you know what? Hell, St. John's is going to win the whole thing.

And St. John's, they didn't win and lost. Got bounced in the second round. They didn't lost in the second round. So if I had a bracket, which I didn't, then the goddamn one team I did pick, now they're going home. Yep. And because normally, if your team normally, it's hard for you to win a bracket

if the team that you picked to win the tournament gets knocked out early. Because think about all the, because you had them winning, they got knocked out the round of 32. So now they don't make the Sweet 16. They don't make the Elite Eight. They don't make the Final Four. So one side of your bracket is already gone. Unless you're perfect on the other side, it's hard for you to overcome that. But this is why people love March Madness so much is the uncertainty, the unpredictability of college basketball.

Because you're not dealing with professionals here, Ocho. You're dealing with kids. You're dealing with 18 to 20, 21-year-old kids. Maybe some are a little older now because of the portal and what we had with COVID. So sometimes the kids are 22, 23 years of age. But you're not dealing with professionals, although some of them are getting paid. So I guess you would theoretically consider them professionals.

But when you look at it like that, Ocho, I'm not surprised. I'm surprised they haven't been more upset. You don't think so? Yeah, yeah. I don't think we had, we didn't have any like, what, 13, 14 seeds that upset anybody this year. Normally, we have a 13, a 14 seed, a 15 seed that would upset somebody.

It's just hard now, Ocho, because the freshmen, if they're really good, you leave. Right. And the portal guys going back to going to one school here and didn't like the amount of playing time or they got into it with coaches or whatever the case may be. And so now the talent is spread. Guys are not just going to Carolina, Duke, and Kentucky, and Kansas. Guys are spreading out. UConn, even though they lost today to Florida.

But that's what happened. That's what happened. You're going to start to see this, I think, a little bit more in football also, Ocho, the unpredictability of college football because the guys are starting to spread out because you know what? There are a lot of teams that got money. Now, they might not have as much as Ohio State

or, say, Michigan or Alabama or Georgia, but, hey, considering I was going to get nothing that I can get $200,000, $300,000, that's pretty good money for an 18-year-old that's entering college. I know. When I think about it, you talk about the landscape

and how the dynamic of the playing field is somewhat even because players are going everywhere. I think when it comes to college football, I think that's already happened. I think it's already happened.

That's how you think of it. You think of the days when the Hurricanes or Florida Gators and the Seminoles used to absolutely dominate collegiate football and get all the great players, especially from down here in Florida,

as opposed to now. Listen, the kids out of Florida and Texas and LA, they're going everywhere. They're going to Ohio State. They're going to Alabama. Look at Amari Cooper. Look at Jerry Judy. Look at Jeremiah Smith. He's at Ohio State.

Yeah. Look at Lamar Jackson. He's from Florida. He went to Louisville. So where the guys from Florida would normally stay home, they're like, nah, we gone. They out of there. Yeah, they out of there.

And so, you know, if Florida could actually keep their guys, that's why Florida, Florida State, Miami, the Canes, that's why they were so good because they normally kept that homegrown talent. Yeah. Now that homegrown talent, they leave. Yeah. And so Ridley, isn't Calvin Ridley from Florida? good because they normally kept that homegrown talent. Now that homegrown talent, they leave. Yeah. And so Ridley,

isn't Calvin Ridley a component? Yeah, Calvin Ridley. They went out of state. You're right, Ocho. I think because the guys are starting to leave and starting to spread out, you're going to see the likelihood of you seeing the domination that you want some. I don't know if we're going to see that again. No, it's not going to happen. Listen, unless there's some see you got the likelihood of you see the domination that you want. So no,

I don't know if we're going to see that again. No, it's not going to happen. Listen, unless, unless there's some booster from somewhere that comes along with an, an abnormal amount of money and it's starting in starts, let's say you want,

for example, or Florida state in order, or in order for them to get back to their dominating ways, they have to come in, come in and come into these homes. Yes. And offer some of these five-star kids or steal players from other schools. Yeah, that's what you're going to need to do, Ocho. Yeah, based on the amount of money they're willing to pay them in order for the Hurricanes or the Seminoles to get back to how it was back in the 90s. You got to keep all homegrown kids right here within the state.

When you look at it, Ocho, and like you said, okay, you got to get a kid that was like you, like Jordan Addison. He won the Ballet the Cup Award at Pitt and now he ends up at USC. At USC, yeah. Because you got those big movie studio execs

and all those guys that went to USC. That's a big film school. Which one of those, is it Katzenberg? movie studio execs and all those guys that went to USC. That's a big film school. Yeah. Uh, uh, which one of those, uh, is it Katzenberg? Uh,

David Geffen that went to USC. It's one of them. Cause, uh, SKG is Spielberg, Katz and Geffen. Spielberg, Katzenberg and Geffen,

SKG. But I know one of them got a film school named after him at USC. Because they started Pixar, didn't they? SKG. Spielberg David Geffen but uh but that's what you're

gonna have to have Ocho you're gonna have to have like you said those big guys uh to have that kind of money you see Larry Ellison

his wife went to Michigan he intervened and got Bryce Underwood to flip from LSU to Michigan yep DreamWorks SKG

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While Tyrese Proctor added 25 points and shot 7 of 8 from the 3. Duke have been dominant and it's shown that they still can win it all. You're absolutely right, Ocho. They look like the most impressive team that I've seen in the tournament. Hey, from top to bottom, from top to bottom in from top to bottom,

in every phase, on the court, in transition, on offense, on defense, everything about Duke looks phenomenal. I'm not sure. I think they might be the anomaly. I might be using anomaly in the wrong context. In the instance where I'm talking about Duke might be in one of the teams where regardless of what day it is they probably will beat everybody I'm not I'm not sure who can compete with them or contend with them you will probably be better versed and well-knowledged in the game of collegiate basketball to tell me is there a team that can actually challenge Duke based on

what I've seen so far and based on what I've seen during the regular season right hold on for a second. What did you say? All of them went to USC? All of them have schools named after them. Yeah. That's all. We're not surprised.

So that's how USC is able to get, be able to flip, get Jordan Addison after he won the Blitner Cup Award at Pitt and get him to come to USC. But Cooper Flagg, he looked good. I mean, you watched him at high school at Mount Verde, and he was sensational. And he hadn't disappointed.

He looks like he's going to be the presumptuous number one overall pick in this upcoming draft. Oh, so he's not coming back? Not many coming back. You want to go to the NBA? How can you get hired at number one i can see if he's gonna be like a end of the lottery pick he's gonna be number one to do go back to do what hey it's so funny watching watching watching him play today and and watching kuba flag he just reminded me so much of myself when i was in high school

our game is very similar. He can score from anywhere. Mid-range, put the ball on the floor, take people on, in the post, back to the basket. I mean, can you shoot the three? A little bit. It's just very reminiscent of

myself in high school back in 1991. It's a joy to watch. It's a joy to watch. It's a joy to watch. Somebody say Cooper flagged the best prospects as LeBron. Did you not just see Wimby come out last year? So he's a better prospect than Wimby. You feel comfortable saying that?

No. Hey, listen, one thing about us in general, people, in general, society, we are prisoners of the moment. Absolutely. Whatever is hot right now, that's what it is. And you forget about some of the great players that have come in the past. Hey, my dog. Tidy, what's up, baby?

Boy, you couldn't let me get no more moments, huh? You been good? He said, my auntie had me for 10 days and uh i was ready for her to leave ocho so she'd be standing so she don't want to be sharing no chicken tenders she'll share nothing so i was ready for her to go you good uh inflate gate ocho players are complaining about overinflated basketballs here's a list You good? Inflagate, Ocho. Players are complaining about overinflated basketballs. Here's a list of the players that have spoken out about the absurdity of the ball overinflation in the NCAA tournament game. Oh, come on, man. You know, you had Sam Decker, Kobe Bray, Coleman Hawkins, Joseph Gerrard III, Don't Connect last year, Armando Baycott, Hunter Dixon.

What do you think, Ocho? Is this something or nothing? Man, to me, honestly, it's nothing. I wouldn't be complaining about the ball. When you were growing up, sometimes you had to worry, but you had no control over the conditions, huh? You're playing outdoor, you're playing indoor. Sometimes there's no net.

Sometimes there's a net. Sometimes there's chain net. Sometimes there's a double rim. Sometimes the ball is flat sometimes the ball is full either way you adapt you make the adjustments necessary

now you see what I mean? now we got players that done got to college now they complain about the goddamn ball and forgetting how we grew up well I'm not sure

how they grew up everybody had a silver spoon based on this area that's in college right now listen I ain't even had no shoes. I had the hoop and pee class and a pair of chucks. Everybody's hooping chucks.

I know, but I'm just saying. I'm still hooping the chucks, and they talk about, oh, the ball is too much and the ball. Man, if you don't go out there and play basketball and adjust and adapt to the goddamn ball, what are you talking about? Man, that was the chat that saw me, boy. to the goddamn ball? What are you talking about? Man, boy, that was the check that saw me, boy.

Boy, back in 1990? Yeah, you look like you played in the 60s the way you hold that basketball. Oh, I have an unorthodox grip.

You hear me? I got an unorthodox grip. I have an unorthodox game. You do? So, let me ask you a question do you think that you think there's something to this what should the ncaa should they look into it should they check the ball hey honestly honestly as a player i'm just saying as a competitor i wouldn't care about that that that's just me. Now, I can't speak on behalf of the players if they're saying maybe the ball has too much air in it. I mean, maybe it does.

Should that affect your game in any way? No. When you shoot the ball, don't hit the rim. When you put the ball on the floor, you know what to do with it. No air, a lot of air, it shouldn't matter. It shouldn't affect anything. That's just me.

I ain't complaining about no damn ball. I'm going out there and I'm for the hoop. If you're a true hooper, and I'm talking about a true hooper, if you're a true hooper, you adapt regardless of circumstance. I ain't telling you what I heard. I'm telling you what I know. You think the player that go to rugby park, they complain about the ball having too much air?

Well, I think sometimes these arenas are bigger than what they normally play. And I think, you know, you hear the NBA players saying, you got to get used because of the depth perception. Because, you know, you used to play it, and now they're playing in multi-purposes arena. And so maybe that has something to do with it. Maybe the ball could be overinflated. It's a little, you know. know go ahead i have a question don't they have shoot around in college football and

college basketball too right yeah there's plenty time to make the necessary adjustments to your game to your skill set based on the balls that you were using me personally i'm just saying they have a right to complain. It's just something I wouldn't complain about. Before we have a football game, what does the coach tell you to go do two hours before the game? Go out there and test the what? Test your shoes.

So you know what shoes you need to wear because you might have to make the necessary adjustments based on the field you plan on. Yep. Come on now, we talk about the ball having too much air, man. We ain't even had no air in our balls in P back in the 80s. And we,

I may do just like that. Talking about the ball got too much air in it. Man, child, please, man. Come on now. The Liberty Flames got blown out

in their first round of the 2025 NCAA tournament by the Oregon Ducks. Unfortunately, Liberty head coach Richie McKay, that might not have been the worst part of the 2025 NCAA tournament by the Oregon Ducks. Unfortunately, Liberty head coach Richie McKay, that might not have been the worst part of the night. McKay was interviewed on the sideline by one of the reporters on the broadcast. Ocho, take a look at this photo.

Yeah. Bro, does he not know that we know that that's free? Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, young boy, live his life, man that's that good beijing you hear me but oh joe but you if you notice you can't do it you got first of all he got right you got you got to cut it down some because you can't have that much hair and didn't have that because he got that thing looking like carlos boozer hey chad y'all remember carlos boozer when i did that had a nice little beard. Hey, maybe he didn't realize it.

Maybe because the light, you see the light shining on his forehead. Maybe it's the light from the camera that's making it look worse than what it really is. I'm glad it got blown out. Can you imagine had it not got blown out and it's a close game and he's starting to sweat? Ooh. Bad A. You see some of those Baptist ministers. They not got blown out, and it's a closed game, and he's starting to sweat. Ooh. Man, hey. You see some of them Baptist ministers. Them Baptist ministers be up there in that pool pit, and they got that spray for their Beijing.

That's starting to start dripping down. Yeah. Hey. Don't do him like that. Don't do him like that. Man, just tell that. Chad know what I'm talking about. Man, he wrong for that. No joke.

You can't go out there like weak. Now, you know what? Our counterparts Might not even say nothing But I guarantee Every black person That watch that Has something to say

Always You know We ain't gonna let nothing Listen We ain't gonna let nothing slide Especially nothing like that Listen On national television

Oh no He got that good Beijing Yeah Oh And you might not You see him in church You ain't gonna say nothing to church. But as soon as you get on church ground,

you say the joke of heritage is hell? I don't know what he thought that was. Oh, no. You can't say nothing on your page. Ocho, you see that? When you start getting them Catholics and intellect, you might as well go ahead and cut it down. It's just a matter of time.

Just let it go? Yeah, he got them T-tops. That's them T-tops. You know, back in the day, you didn't have the convertible. You had them T-Tops. That's them T-Tops. You know, back in the day, you didn't have the convertible, you had the T-Tops. Right. And like the Camaro. Yeah, there you go. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. Camaro and the Firebird.

Nah, man. Hey. Oh, Joe. Why he just put it... He should have just put it all over. You can't just... It's two-tone. Yeah. He got his regular hair and then this thing,

he's jet black. Well, listen, maybe it didn't start off, what if it didn't start off that way? Maybe, how about, maybe it got like that at the beginning of the game. It wasn't like that.

Stress, sweating, and that's how, that was the outcome of it. No, if it had been, if that game had been close and he started sweating, that thing would have been all down his forehead.

Hey, you remember Rudy Giuliani? You remember how he started sweating because he had that rinse in there? And he started sweating and that thing was all over his face? That's exactly what would have happened to him because that's that spray. That ain't that Beijing. I got that color. I ain't got that rinse here because here ain't going to sweat. But he got that spray. That spray, you get't that Beijing that I got. I got that color. I ain't got that rinse here because here ain't going to sweat. But he got that spray.

That spray, you get hot and start sweating, that's going to start coming down your face. Wait, hold on. Now you just said something. You said something. I ain't going to let that go by. You said you got the Beijing too? I sure do. For real? Yep. Okay, okay.

I like that. I like that. First of all, a lot of people got it. You like that. I like that. First of all, there are a lot of people got it. You ain't about to be 50. First of all, I'm not Pakistani. I'm not Indian descent. So my hair ain't going to be jet black.

Ain't no 50. Right. And I ain't the only one. There are a lot of, there's a lot of mofos on television. Right. Y'all must be fake. Come on now.

Hold on. Hold on. This is what you need to do. Now, this might be one of the reasons why you ain't been able to find you somebody, somebody you actually want. Now, if you're in your 50s, you know women love a little salt and pepper. So you might, you might, you can stop.

They can put it on their salad, but it damn sure ain't going to be in my head. You better put it on your plate Your food Cause every Every chance I get I'm going to joke Hey, color the thing up Joke, color it up Hey You don't wanna

You don't wanna just You don't wanna let the Think about how Think about how you look though With the all gray Nah, I don't have the all gray No? Mm-mm

Okay, okay Listen, I'm just throwing somebody just to just to give them a different look give give the women a different perspective of you that's all hey the chat has seen me i ain't trying to fool nobody i mean y'all seen me a couple of times when i can't get back home or get it colored hey right i got that gray coming in i mean i don't know what it is right damn edges hey i'm telling you you should try it one time hey somebody somebody use ai or something and change on hair color to be great yeah i just want to see how it look you might like it man women love a little salt and pepper man you know that that just let them know that

you seasoned i am hey look i'll fit yourself mocho yeah uh-uh but i don't know now you can't do that though i mean like I said, if he'd have had it all one color, if he'd have had it all that, we'd have still, we probably wouldn't have noticed it as much. Right, right. But like a lot of times,

they do that spray, they have the edge, edge is crispy. So when they do, they use that spray to get them edges crispy. Right. So it's a little darker

than the rest of the head of the hair. But that's too much. You got that thing looking like shoe polish. Hey, I don't know if you ever shined shoes, Ocho, but my grandpa used to have me and my brother shine his shoes, and we had to shine our own shoes. So, I don't know if y'all noticed about that shoe polish, but hey.

Oh, man, that's funny. That's funny, that was funny. O funny that is funny oh joe the three p is complete arguably the greatest hurdler in history grant holloway is the first athlete in world indoor championship history to win three consecutive 60 meter hurdle titles me personally uh because roger kingdom from georgia with devine in high school he was a tremendous athlete uh he won the because Roger Kingdom from Georgia went to Vianna High School. He was a tremendous athlete. He won the Olympics. I think he won 84 and 88.

Alan Johnson won the Olympics. I think if Grant Holloway can win another Olympics, I think he'll go down as the greatest hurdler because he has three world championships outdoors. He has three indoors. He has an Olympic gold medalist. If he can snag one more and then, but I'm not so sure because he's in a, this is a

world championship season here. I think now he's dead set on that world record. He's run 12.81, which is.001 off of Aries Merrittritt Georgia boy

who has the world record at 1280 so I think if he can get that world record and get another gold I don't think it'll be I think it'll be unquestioned he's the greatest hurdler ever and we've been like I said we have to you know to have that world record Colin Jacks, Alan Johnson

had it, Colin Jackson had it the Chinese guy Lu Alan Johnson had it. Colin Jackson had it. Uh, the China, uh, the Chinese guy, uh, Lu Xuan, he had it. Uh,

Dyrann Robles from Cuba. He had it. Aries Merritt took it from him. So it's going to be interesting if Grant Holloway, because yeah, his explosive start, he gets out. You're not beating him out the gate.

No, you're not beating him out the gate. And he's flawless. So yeah, it's his time, his time. And I mean, listen, I've been beating him out the gate. No. You're not beating him out the gate. And he's flawless. Yeah. It's his time, his timing. I mean, listen, I've been watching Grant, the Flamingo. That's his nickname. Yeah, that's what he called it.

Holloway for a very long time. One of the greatest hurlers of all time. And I'm sure he's probably going to achieve being the greatest hurler of all time and being able to beat that 1280 at some point. So I'm happy for him. Grant, I know you're going to see this., beat that 1280 at some point. So I'm happy for him. Grant, I know you're going to see this. I salute you. All your hard work. We go at it back and forth on Twitter sometimes

and in person. I'm proud of you, man. I'm proud of you. Coach Prime and Asante Samuels got into some beat this weekend, Ocho. I love this, boy. I love this. First, Asante responded to the NFL Network's video of Coach Prang hating on the T-step.

I can't stop laughing how foolish he sounds. You can't control everything, sir. Thank you. hey listen there there can i can i go can i go yeah i like that you know how i'm a fan and an enthusiast when it comes to beautiful DB play. The T-step and being able to gather step and get out your break, there are different skill sets for different players. Yes. What makes them comfortable,

depending on what you like to do. Deion Sanders, his ability to get in and out of breaks is phenomenal. Yes. It's phenomenal. His anticipatory skills are phenomenal. Yes. Understanding the tendencies and what routes are coming based on down and distance, alignment, whatever it may be, is phenomenal.

Another great one, an Asante Samuels. Whether it be man, whether it be zone, bump and run, man to man, his anticipatory skills, again, based on down and distance is good he's the greatest t-step of all time and he has the numbers and the stats to prove it now you have two of the greats you have two of the all-time greats that are going back and forth based on a specific skill set and technique one work one might not like it but the other likes it so the way dion used to get out of breaks it worked for him and it works for other players right everybody can't do the goddamn t-step like asante samuels right everybody can't do it other players or other players that played even the back you have to gather you have to it's like there's some receiver that can get

out of breaking three steps then there's something i gotta get out in five there's a difference asani same as one of the few that can t-step and and i think one of the things that prime that might be bad about the t-step if you t-step and it's a double move well you're assed out you're assed out because you're not even you're not even gathering you're just taking that one step and getting about it and you're assed out. You're assed out because you're not even gathering. You're just taking that one step and getting up out of there, and you're just driving. Right. So if he's fake and make a double move, I mean, it's going to take you forever to get back out of there.

That's a hard argument, man, from two of the best to ever play the game. But it's a good one. I'd like to hear your expertise on that. I think the thing is, time is looking at it as no waste in motion. What do we talk when we run routes? What do we say it? No waste in motion. Yeah. Make everything look the same. When we get to that break,

we want our arms here or we want our arms here. Yes, sir. You want your body over your toe. You know what I'm saying? You want that weight distributed over your big old quads. I'm saying? You want that weight distributed over your big old quads. So you get and come up out of there. None of that.

Yeah. So in other words, time is saying by 10 stepping, that's wasting motion. And what we're taught by Coach Tobey, say, son, he who hesitates is beat. So time is coming in there. Coming. I'm coming right now. Yes, sir. He said, when you open, that guy's already

at the break. You got to do this. Now you got to square back up and go. Okay. That worked for Asante. I think the thing is that this is what I'm going to try to teach. Now, if I see I'm trying to teach this and the guy can't get it and he's better

at T-stepping, I'm going to let him T-step. But it's a funny thing. This is the funny thing about Asante's technique. Now, this is when it comes down to technique. This is what Asante was so goddamn good at. Asante played inside leverage, right? Uh-huh. He would play off on purpose.

And no matter how you weave him, the thing why he can T-step so well and still be in position to make the play is because that mother— Oh, I almost cursed. I'm sorry, Uncle. You got me. I'm so excited. Hey, Asant, you can come at him, and if you weave inside, he's going to weave, but he's going to stay square the whole time.

Right. He's not opening up. He's not opening up. He's going to stay square, stay right in front of you the whole time. If you weave outside, he's going to weave right with you. Right. And so when it's time for him to get out of his break, if you make any kind of move in front of him without

stepping on his toes, the ball is going the other way. Yeah. I've seen it. You've got to double move. I'm double moving him. Because he's going to see it. Yeah. He's going to squat. He squats a lot. He has great, like you said, he has great anticipation. But you've got to double move him.

And a lot of things, because he came up in the Coach Belichick system, is that what he did is like, no matter what you do, if I got inside leverage, I got inside leverage. If I got outside leverage, I got outside leverage. So what you do don't impact me because I got to be outside leverage. No matter what. If you're doing all this stuff, I got outside leverage. I got outside leverage. So what you do don't impact me because I got to be outside leverage. So if you're doing all this stuff, I got outside leverage. I got outside leverage. You run the bank.

I can't stop it. If I got inside leverage, I don't care if you give me a nod outside. I'm staying inside. That ain't going to do me. Yeah. It's just a matter of your technique. Is that what we try to do? We try to keep our technique as sound as we possibly

can to eliminate wasted motion. Motion, right. Prime commented, Sir, foolish, LOL, God bless you, my brother. Tell them what this is really about, sir. You forever taking a shot at the sky. Mickey Andrews

is responsible for teaching us what I teach, and it sure seemed like it worked for us. Peace be still. Hold on, Joe. Let me... This set up a bunch of tweets from Asante. Ain't no shot to on-air, brother. Competitive as they come. I talk ish.

If it offended you, Coach Gene Chizik taught us how to T-step. I'm just trying to compare film. You can't run from the debate. I will still be here talking ish. LOL. God bless you. Here's a yearly reminder.

Not let us excuse pick sixes. 168 games. 53. Dion played 188 games. 53 interceptions. Three playoff interceptions. Two Super Bowls. Asante.

51 interceptions. Seven playoff career interceptions, two Super Bowls. 50-plus interception, 94 pass. Please start saying they don't throw his way. Asante, I love you, bro. I love you. I think you're phenomenal. But you're not in time's realm. That's not even close.

You're not in time's realm. That's not even close. You're not. Nobody, nobody will ever say Asante Samuel and Deion Sanders in the same breath. You are fabulous. That's the greatest corner to ever put on pads and a helmet. The lockdown, where do you think this term came from? Where do you think that term came from? Ocho, do you realize think this term came from? Where you think that term came from? Ocho, do you realize where that term came from? Yeah. The cover corner, the shutdown corner, the cover one side of the field.

When he took the, listen, see, sometimes people like, when I say time locked it down, there was no safety in the hole. So if you ran the post go back and look when he picked it on on a rocket ismail he got it man to man they threw a post with nobody in the hole yeah time ran jumped over the top of him and picked it yeah i came back this way with it asante you were fabulous yeah you're not time man you can put all these stats up bro you're not time i get it your technique you say the t-step work for you good ocho and i try to explain what we try to do is we try to eliminate wasted motion

okay you felt that the t-step would serve you better than to start the back pedal because everybody's up underneath them and come forward. You felt the T-step gave you that bigger burst. No problem. Clearly, it worked. You were a pro bowler. You won Super Bowls. You got 50-plus

interceptions. Yes, sir. You're just not time, and it's okay. Yeah, I think I love Prime and what Prime was able to do, and interceptions yes sir you're just not time and it's okay yeah i i think i i like i love prime and what prime was able to do in in um the class and the bar that he set but i don't want it to to to take away from how special zon was as well he was he was especially there's levels yeah i know i know it's level i know it's levels, Ocho. Yeah, I know there's levels. But I need people to also understand as great as Prime was, I'm not saying Zant is on that level,

but we need to give Zant his flowers so people understand how difficult it was to put up the numbers he did. Yeah. And doing the T-step. And how good he was technically. That's all I'm saying. Ocho, you tell me the cornerback that's played that shifted the balance of power he goes to san francisco they beat dallas he goes to dallas and dallas beat san francisco he shipped it the balance of power yeah yeah i understand what you mean that's why I said the greatness that is Prime.

Yeah. Listen, he stands alone. We know that. You know, but one thing that we always do is we always go to the numbers. We always go to the stats. I don't look at stats. I look at when it plays. I watch tape. Oh, okay, okay.

But listen now, if we talk about watching tape, now you look at 22. Hey, well, he does some Hey, but listen now. If we talk about watching tape, you look at 22. Hey, well, he does some special stuff out there now. Oh, hey. Now, his clued, his ability to diagnose. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Hey, to know what's coming before. Oh, man. Hey, listen. Zant's ability to know what's coming before it comes and gambling at the right time and breaking on balls. But see, sometimes numbers, sometimes numbers fool you. Yes, sir. Durrell Revis, how many picks he got? How many people you think taking Asante over Revis?

You see how numbers are misleading, Ocho? Do you think Revis got, I don't know, how many interceptions does Revis have? Does Revis have 30 interceptions? Revis got 29 picks. Now I want you to tell me, Ocho, you played against both of them.

I'd like to go to the man that played the man. Not the man that know the man that talk to the man about a man. You played against both of them. Yeah, what you think? Listen, don't don't do don't do me like that As a defensive back myself listen, I'm trying to give praise is Sunday. I'm trying to give praise and worship Where's do now see it's a hard battle it's a hard battle for Zant to win because we're talking about prime and the comparison of the two.

And 99% of the world won't allow the comparison to happen. But what I'm going to do is I'm going to get on my soapbox for Zant. Great! Listen, as a receiver, I understand how special and technically sound Young Bull was.

Now, I'm not trying to compare to Prime. Prime is on a different level. He's in a different stratosphere. But I don't want that to take away. I don't want people to get confused. No, no, no, no. I don't want to take away how great Zom was and what he was able to do. That goddamn T-step and his ability to always stay square is

why he was so good at it, as opposed to other DBs that opened up right away so they wouldn't be able to T-step anyway. There are very few DBs, right? Listen to me real quick, Chad. Listen to me. Prime is a great one. Revis was a great one.

Pat Sertain is some of the young bulls in today's game in some of the old some of the some of the dbs in the old era 95 of dbs 95 of them play the position not to get beat yeah and there's five percent that play to make a play another thing oh joe prime is in Ojo. Prime is in that. Yeah. Zahn is in that. And there's a few others. I'm not going to riddle off no names, but there's a difference.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A lot of times, people have great techniques. You watch guys in warming up. Yeah. Bam. Bam. Get in the game when they're going to get somebody.

Slop it in the mug. Yeah, it change up. You see guys running around so air on choke? Yeah. Ooh, hey. They hit that 10, roll to 12 with that speed out. Clean. They do that over the top like, oh, boy,

you see that dagger? Yeah. As soon as somebody in front of them. Dude, what happened? What happened, yeah? It's funny. It's funny. Anytime you put a body in front of somebody, most of the time, your technique goes away.

It goes away. The ability to operate in the same fashion you do on air with the body in front of you takes such extreme confidence in not just your belief and your skill set, but your technique as well.

Look, like I said, that's not, I mean, look, just because you're not, it's like somebody saying, well,

he ain't Jerry Rice. Well, who is? That ain't no shot. Right. It's like, when I had Ken Griffey on my podcast, and he goes to your son's play,

and the guy was like, hey, he ain't Ken Griffey, he ain't you. Griffey on my podcast and he'd go see his son play and the guy was like, hey, he ain't you. Griffey looked at him and said, well, name five players that are. Huh? Yeah. Okay, Asante Samuel isn't prime. Okay, name five DBs that are.

That's not a slight. Right. Asante Samuel was a damn good, he was a great corner. Because you're not prime, that doesn't deduce you. Right. That's like saying, well, he wasn't Joe Montana, he ain't Tom Brady. Okay, name five Tom Brady's that quarterback.

But what the hell are you saying? People get caught up with, he ain't this. Okay. Name five that work. Name five bad bonds. Name five Jerry Wrights that played to receive a position. Name five LTs.

Name five Aaron Donalds. It's not, it's not, God gets so upset. So what you say, I'm saying you were great, but there are levels to this. There are.

There just is. You could be a great actor. Are there five better than Denzel? Mm-mm. So, I mean, I'm just, you know, people get caught up. I don't get, I don't, hey, he ain't no Gronk, okay? They ain't but one Gronk how many

how many tight ends can say they were Gronk right I mean how many tight ends can say they were Travis Kelsey mhm people just get call them

get another pick I don't care I'm good all I can say is this from 90 to 2003 that's what I played yeah

look at my numbers and look at the guys that played in that era look at their numbers and you tell me I that played in that era look at their numbers and you tell me i can't do what came what came after me i can't do what came before me but look at my era when i played look at the tight end from that era and you see what my numbers look like comparable to theirs hold on and i got something even better than that i got something better than that and i'm glad you said that i want you to look at the era before me.

You hear me? Stay with me. Hey, chat, y'all hear me? Chat, listen to me real close. Stay with me now. Stay with me. Look at the era before me, all the receivers that played. Look at the era during my time.

Okay? Now look at the era right now. And I ain't talk about no numbers but it was only one ocho boy yeah you hear me it's only one number you know people try to say now well who the time play against i tell you what you take any error you tell me three receivers better than randy moss tara owens and jerry rice i'll give you error. You tell me three receivers that you would take over those three because that's what Deion went against. So I want you to tell me.

So if you want this error, you want Chase, Jetta, Reek. If you want to go back a little farther, you want Fitzgerald. You want Marvin Harrison. I'll give you any error. I'll take T.O., I'll take Randy Moss, and I'll take Jerry Rice. And you tell me three receivers that's better than those three. Take off, chat. Hey,

listen, why the chat try to do the impossible? I'm going to grab me a bottle of water. Look, this is not a... And look, this is rare for time for him to get into a tit-for-tat on Twitter.

Occasionally, he will. Occasionally, if he feels like he's called upon, he'll chime in. But normally, normally, he really doesn't. It's like I said, I just think the thing is different of opinions. Asante did the T-step. It worked for him. Time didn't. He believed wasted motion,

wasted, caused you to give up plays that you probably wouldn't give up. Okay. Two things can be true. The T-step can work for Asante where time didn't do the T-step. Okay. Hey, matter of fact, we can squash the conversation

and we can change the topic. Whether you gather step, whether you T-step, whether you bump, whether you play off, whether you play zone, whether you play man. Asante, Sam and Dior,

you know who they couldn't couple? Who? Me. Man, Ty, I've already told you. Listen, man, listen. Hey, look. We could be in a phone booth. We could be in a phone man listen we could be in a we could be in a phone booth we could be in a phone booth

we could be in a brown paper bag matter of fact the paper bag could be wet the paper bag could be wet Prime couldn't see me huh he couldn't see me

with Eric Dickinson goggles on can't don't play with me Asante Prime gonna choke me shit hey listen I love both of them boys man I love both of the boys, man. I love both of the boys.

And I love the healthy banter and competition back and forth. The competitive nature never goes anywhere, even when you're done playing. I like it. Yeah. It's a good, healthy discussion. But y'all can't stop me. Not then and not now. But what I could never understood was how could

Ty play with that big wide base? Hey, right? And if you beat him, he was going to recouple. Yeah, he wasn't worried about you running past him. He's going to recouple. He wasn't ready. I mean, maybe one guy probably if he missed the jam on Tyreek.

But other than that, he's going to be, hey, he going to be, hey. Now, if he don't miss the jam, he going to be right in your heel. You got to think about it. If he missed the jam on Tyreek, that means the ball got to be perfect. It got to be. Because he going to come now. He coming. The ball got to be perfect.

He coming. Next time, as a matter of fact next time we bring time I'm gonna we gonna ask him I like that I like that topic I think they got

camped up they got us practicing I'm encompassing you practicing man I wish I'd have known if I didn't know

we gonna have this conversation I'd have hit him up who that who that Giants oh oh oh, oh. That was a good one.

That was a great combo. Oh, Joe, the Giants reportedly haven't given up on Aaron Rodgers despite signing Jameis Winston. Following Rodgers' visit to the Steelers on Friday, the G-Men reportedly haven't stopped their pursuit of the 41-year-old. Jeremy Fowler reports the Giants have not given up on Aaron Rodgers even though they signed Jameis Winston. But reading the tea leaves here, it looks like the Steelers are in the pole position to potentially get it done. The Giants signed Winston to a two-year, $8 million deal just hours after Rodgers' meeting

with the Steelers. Ocho, do you see the Steelers as a proper landing spot or is it the Giants? Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. Me, I can't really put myself in Aaron Rodgers' shoes, but if you look at the landscape

of the offense on where I would prefer to be, Malik Nabors is nice. Yeah. He's nice. That is one good one to throw to But you got two good ones Over there with the Steelers

Correct Me Personally I would be choosing Over there with Arthur Smith George Pickens And DK Metcalf Let me get some of that

Let me get some of that That's if I'm Aaron Rodgers And understanding What you can do With two dynamic receivers like that Just get the ball out that. That's if I'm Aaron Rodgers. And understand, what you can do with two dynamic receivers like that, just get the ball out your hand. That's all. Just get the ball out your hand.

I'm not sure who they have in running back to take some of the pressure off Aaron so he ain't back there throwing the ball a hundred times a game. But if I was a quarterback, I'm trying to go over there with the crash. I call them the Crash our brothers the Giants doesn't make a whole lot of sense

because why would you sign Aaron Rodgers and Jameis Winston and potentially that means if you do that Ocho that means you're not going to get a quarterback

oh yeah yeah maybe they're just talking maybe that's all smoke and mirrors maybe maybe it's all smoke and mirrors because what the Giants are going to do they're going talking. Maybe that's all smoke and mirrors. Maybe. Maybe it's all smoke and mirrors because what the Giants are going to do,

they're going to need a quarterback for the future. Yes. If they sign a Jameis Winston to a one-year, they mean they sign Aaron Rodgers also to a one-year. You got to make up your mind. You got to make up your mind. So if Rodgers goes to Pittsburgh, so where does that leave so if if if rogers goes to pittsburgh or so where where does that leave russell wilson cleveland that's a possibility that that that is that's a that is a possibility

that's the only place i see because geno smith is at the uh the raiders now sam donnell is at seattle i'm trying to figure out where else could he go? Who else needs a quarterback? They just put Jones and Indy to challenge Richardson. So I'm looking at the landscape. I'm trying to figure out where can he go? Yeah, that's it. That's it. I really don't like what they did.

Well, I kind of like it and I don't like it. From a competitive standpoint, I don't like what they're. Well, I kind of like it and I don't like it from a competitive standpoint. I don't like what they're doing to Richardson, but I also like it because now that you have somebody to push you and buying for your job, maybe that gets you to play at a higher level because now you have something to worry about. But also sometimes it's pros and it's cons to that too. But now what happens if you press? What happens if you try too hard? What happens if you try not to make mistakes instead of just playing freely? I think it'll do more harm than good when you...

I don't think they like Anthony Richardson for the future. Oh, Joe. They knew he was a reclamation project. He was not a high completion percentage guy in college. He wasn't a high. He came in. His completion percentage was lower than Tebow's. And we know Tebow did not have a great completion percentage.

That's not nice. I'm talking about in the NFL. I'm just the facts. Right. Just the facts. And the mere fact that they went out and signed Jones. What's his name? What's his first name?

Daniel Jones. Yeah. What does that tell you? And they gave him $14 million. How are they going to pay the backup more than they pay the starter? Right. What are they telling you, Ocho? Yeah, you're right.

They're tired of your bull jive. Uh-huh. $14 million. You see what they gave James Winston? Backup money? You see what they gave You see what they gave Uh James Winston Backup money You see what they gave

All the backup money I have a question Chat Stop talking about Uh Cousins Cousins was brought in To be a starter

He happened to be the backup Because he lost his job Can you Can you Can you answer me something Yeah Why'd they give James Winston

What One for eight Or two for eight? Two for eight. Okay, so why they gave him 14? Why do you think? They surmise he's going to be the starter.

No, or does it have anything to do with age? No. Because here's the thing, Ocho. The guy's like, hold on, if I'm coming in, because they want you to know. They want Anthony Richardson to know. He's not coming to be your backup. Did you see what we paid him?

We paid him more than you. Now, all this come late, leave early. All this stuff that you've been doing, it ain't going to go no more. I got a question. Go ahead. Hold on. Hold on.

I got a question for you. Who's the backup in Indy right now? Daniel Jones. Now, would the Daniel Jones show us the last two places he was at? He didn't show us nothing in Minnesota because he didn't get here. But in the Giants. My point exactly. So with the Giants, he had flashes.

He had flashes of brilliance. I'm not even going to say he didn't lie. I'm not going to lie to you. But obviously, the Giants were in a position where it was either Barkley at a position that they don't value or it was Daniel Jones. So they decided to pay Daniel Jones. But the small, simple size and what we saw from him, I mean, he ain't the goddamn answer.

And that's no disrespect to him. He's not the answer. But I think that it's a good thing. Again, like I said, there's pros and cons to it. You bring in some competition. Most players, if you're competitive, oh man, this sucker ain't finna

beat me out of my job. No way. He ain't finna beat me out of my job. I welcome you. I welcome this challenge. You talking about you don't at my job. I welcome you. I welcome this challenge. You talking about you don't believe in me? I got you. Hold on.

Man, I wish they would have thought about drafting, bringing somebody in, Ocho. You and your third, you about to be in your third year, and they bringing a quarterback in. Ocho. Man, please. That better be year 12, year 14. Okay. Now, that's different You know the third year is you're making a break of year right

The third year at any skill position Is the year you have arrived Where it's going to let us know if you've arrived or not Either you got it Or you don't by that point So I'm assuming right now the Indianapolis Colts Feel you know what We don't feel Anthony Richardson

Has it just yet. So we're going to bring in someone else that maybe can take over. But what we saw from the person they're bringing in to take over at one year for 14 million ain't the MF answer either. But here's the problem that you're running against. Anthony Richardson is like, I got to make a decision. You see what quarterback's making after the third year? Okay, I see what you're saying

I need to know I can't see I can't invest 300 million dollars and I'm still you can't still be a project right with 300 million dollars guaranteed with that kind of money you can't Ocho so they gotta make a decision

and if he's not I gotta go back into the draft cause I'm not gonna pay him 300 million I'm not you see what you just saw what Josh Allen got

wait wait wait come on we can't do that now we can't do that now I understand what the quarterback market is but Anthony Richardson when it's his time to get paid he's not going to be one of the quarterbacks that reset the market like a josh allen or joe burrow or let's see what cj stroud get oh now cj stroud is different that's my point now you see my point okay if he's the guy i've got to pay this number yeah yeah yeah that's all i'm saying okay now being the starter and having to pay this number. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all I'm saying. Okay. Now, being the starter and having to pay for actual play

is two totally different things. But still, even if that, you're going to have to pay him in excess. Is he going to be worth? Okay, Sam Darnold got three years, 105 million. Are you going to pay him 35 million a year, Ojo? It'd still be uncertain. Eh. The quarterback,

see, Ocho, you can't pay that guy $5, $6 million to be your starter. It's in the 30s. Yeah. Yeah. He in a tough spot. I'm hoping this is his year. I'm hoping this is his year. You got to get it. Hey, and I know you're going to see this. Take it in stride, baby. Take it as a challenge.

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