Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Ohio State wins Cotton Bowl, Beck commits to Miami, Kyren Lacy wanted

Episode Date: January 11, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Ryan Day and Ohio State defeating Steve Sarkisian and Texas in the College Football Playoff semifinal facing Notre Dame in the National Championship game. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss ex-Georgia QB Carson Beck committing to Miami less than 24 hours after entering the transfer portal, former LSU wide receiver Kyren Lacy is wanted for negligent homicide and felony hit-and-run and much more.03:20 - Show start03:30 - Intro05:52 - Ohio State v Texas25:21 - Carson Beck commits to Miami32:46 - ESPN polled scouts/execs for top qb in draft43:35 - Kyren Lacey wanted for negligent homicide52:15 - NFL All Pro Team announced1:05:42 - Mike Evans and Marshon Latimore(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and continued support. It's greatly, greatly appreciated. As I mentioned earlier, Ocho, Ohio State takes down Texas 28-14. They're seeking their first national championship since 2015 when the Buckeyes will face Notre Dame Monday, January the 20th.

Ohio State defensive Jack Sawyer forced a fumble, sat, script sat, forced fumble, scooped it up, and then guess what? He took off. Eddie, that basically iced the ball game as they win 28 to 14. Oh, Joe. What happened?

What happened? I hate to look here. I don't look. Because you and I, we don't really sit down and break down film to evaluate players properly. But I know my eyes tell me. Talk to me. For the evaluators to have Quinn Ewers evaluated so high,

he doesn't do anything to elevate anybody if the players around him. Yes. I mean, he's missing throws. That game, Ohio State, yes, Texas, 14-14. The guy runs like a little square eye, Ocho. He over-sales it. Bro, that's a routine throw. If you can't make that throw with no pressure, what throw can you make?

Right. I just look at Ocho. I just look at him as average. Yeah. I mean, listen, most collegiate quarterbacks are average. And the ones that aren't average, you know what they do when you watch them on film? It pops out. They jump out.

They jump out to you on film. They do. There's no disrespect to him, but most of the collegiate quarterbacks are average. The two that we just saw play last night are average as well. There's really nothing special about these individuals. So when their time comes, when it's time to get drafted i'm hoping the situation and beneficial for them where there are there are the supporting cast is already in place where they don't have to do much and they don't have to elevate their play to make those around them

better and i mean that i mean that in the most respectful way right it's it's hard ocho because normally when you're a quarterback and you go high you go into a team that doesn't have a whole lot of talent around it. Now, everybody's not going to be C.J. Stroud. Well, you have a Nico Collins. You have a Tank Dale. You make a trade for Dalton Schultz. I mean, you get Dalton Schultz in free agency. You have Noah Brown and guys that played well for you.

That's normally not the case. Every once in a while, you get that. You'll get a situation where Andrew looked and he had a Reggie Wayne. But for the most part, Ocho, you know there's a reason why you lost all those damn games because you don't have a plethora of talent to try that there. Go ahead.

And then another example you can use as well. Jake Daniels. Jake Daniels from LSU and going to the commanders who were bad but also had a support, a very, very good supporting cast. McClure. Terry McLaurin. That curse is tied in.

That curse is tied in. Naomi, Naomi Brown. Yep. Yep. I'm butchering his first name, know, you got you got the hope. You got the hope to go to a place where they have the help around you, where you can you can you can grow at the position. Because right now, based on what I saw tonight, you say average. I think he's slightly below. He made no, no, no, no real talk. And I'm not going to beat him up too bad because he is a 19 8 19 20 year old kid and he's not a professional although he's making three four million dollars in nil money so he's

played so theoretically he should be a professional but that not with that huh oh he's 20 he's about to be he's almost 22 uh that notwithstanding ocho uh i thought the situation sorry, that second down, he made a toss. Why are you tossing it? Ohio State is loaded with speed. You're not getting to the edges on them. The one thing we know about Ohio State, name the person that's come out of Ohio State

in the last decade that can't run. Exactly. I'm talking about, it doesn't matter the position. I'm talking about O-line, D-lineline linebackers DBs wide receivers they can all of

they got one of the best speed programs in college football go ahead but this is what you got to do in that case you can't run downhill

the game is one in the trenches obviously throughout the entirety of the game it was it was a battle up front on both sides of the ball.

So you know you can't run downhill. So if you can't run downhill and you can't toss, and the passing game wasn't what we're used to seeing from both teams. It wasn't what we're used to seeing. So what do you do? You got to try something. Look, Ocho, they got passing ends on passing affairs

passing in on passing affairs damn you had two chances you had two chances where you got we got to resetting downs and you got closer to the goal line and now that ohio state i would have tried i would have tried oh i know the first play but i would have tried one more time to run it straight ahead but not not just right into the line. I mean, damn. But I'm not tossing that ball wide. They got too much speed. And they're really good tackles.

I mean, if I'm not mistaken, I think I only counted like maybe one missed tackle, maybe two at the most from Ohio State. When they arrive, the guy's going down on the ground. They do a great job. They're very sudden. They're very well coached, but they can run. Like I said, go back and look at their DBs that come out. They

run 4-3. Go look at their wide receivers. They're 4-3. They're low 4-4. Look at the D-line. Vernon Goldston at his size. Now, he couldn't play dead in a horror movie, but he was a hell of a football player at Ohio State. He could run 4-5 at his size. Big Daddy Dan Wilkinson, number one overall at damn near 300 pounds, ran 4'7.

They can run. And especially defense, Ocho, they sideline and sideline. So basically, you're going to have to attack them and have to hit a crease to try to get something. But tossing that ball wasn't the way to go. But it just goes to show you. Because even on that fourth down, Ocho, they brought Arch Manning in. Can you imagine on fourth down, they bringing a quarterback in

for a quarterback in the NFL. Every once in a while, you'll see it like they'll come in with a wildcat formation. Who does that a lot? The Saints? The Saints. Oh, yeah. With Taysom Hill.

Sometimes they'll bring the tight end and he'll go into motion and then he'll get the Ravens. Do a lot of that with Mark Andrews. He'll go into motion and he'll get up and sneak it. Bro. Quinn Ewers. And I tweeted,

I was like, I think all Tech UT alum will personally play for any mode of transportation to get Quinn Ewers and I tweeted I was like I think all Tech UT alum will personally play for any mode of transportation to get Quinn Ewers out of Austin whatever you want Uber you want Lyft you want train you want a taxi you want an airplane

they will gladly pay to get him up out of Austin yeah yeah yeah yeah they had an opportunity to get him up out of Austin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He is not. They had an opportunity. Yes! They had moments. There were moments where yours had to step up

and beat Marshall. And in those moments, it didn't happen. Because, look. It didn't happen. He didn't make the throws. He didn't make the plays that he needed to make. No. Ohio State is already favored by almost 10 points.

They are nine and a half point favored over Notre Dame. And their response that, you know, last week, Ohio State, the first two weeks, Ohio State looked unbeatable. Tonight, they look beatable now. There were some opportunities. Now, but here's the thing. Leonard might be worse than yours. So it's not like they're

gonna be a whole yeah yeah yeah oh yeah he ain't that bad yeah yeah yeah you think he's that bad yeah yeah yeah yeah he might be worse than yours and that's saying something that's saying something because the thing that ohio state can do they can get after your quarterback with four but they're not afraid to pressure your ass yeah they will bring pressure, but they're okay with four. One of them, hold on, what's the name? I can't, JT. Just call him JT. I can't, that's the boy last name.

I ain't finna mess the man name up. Oh, they better be glad he missed a portion of the game with that ankle injury. Because, boy, he was straight hell. He was the one that made that own first and goal, Ojo. He was the one that made the stop in the backfield. I'm like, y'all going to block him? He the best defensive player. Y'all don't even block him?

Right. But man, Ohio State, they're favored and rightfully so. I just feel that if they played their best football, I didn't think anybody in the college, after watching them play, I said they played their best. If everybody plays their best, Ohio State is the best team in the college after watching them play i said they played their best if everybody plays their best ohio state is the best team in the college football player

if they play their best now that's a big if because you need to play your best on that particular day hey now so how do you how do you feel about notre dame what if notre dame goes out there and plays their best now notre dame is no slouch no No. They're no slouch, especially defensively. I'm excited to see. I'm sure Notre Dame, I think they play a little bit more man as opposed to Texas who play more zone with a two shell where Jeremiah Smith wasn't able to have the type of game he used to have like he had against Tennessee

or the type of game he had against Oregon. You know, Notre Dame is going to play a little bit more man. Yeah. A little bit more man. You're going to have to show us. I don't think they're going to stray away from what they normally do. And this game was heavily occupied by the running backs, whether it be the running game

or whether it be in the pass game. Two of the tough sounds, if I'm not mistaken, running back pass out of backfield to the running back. Yeah, once in a while, a screen out of the backfield, if I'm not mistaken. Running back pass out of backfield to the running back. Yeah, it wasn't a screen out of backfield. And a dive play right up there. No, you're talking about for Ohio State or Texas? Ohio State.

Oh, yes. But, Ocho, that was heartbreaking because you're making a 7-7 ball game. And I don't know in that situation with 20 seconds, why would you need to get exotic? Why would you bring pressure and drop the – in that situation, you would you need to get exotic? Why would you bring pressure and drop the... In that situation, you don't need to get exotic. Let's just play straight coverage.

But number four, you got to make... Oh, that's great. But number four, you got to make that tackle. You can't throw and miss. You got to get the guy down. Okay, let's have a 20-yard game. Ocho, you can't let him hit his head on the goal post in that situation. You just can't. You just can't.

Ohio State, look. Ohio look good in spurts, and then Texas is like, okay, Texas, you right there. You right there. They needed to get a couple, because when they stopped Ohio State, Texas needed to get the ball back and get some first downs.

But they would go right back out there, basically go three and out needed to get the ball back and get some first downs. But they would go right back out there, basically go three and out and put the ball right back to Ohio State. I'm like, well, damn. I think it might have been seven minutes on the clock and Ohio State had that long that long 11-12 play drive. Yes.

They were able to score. At that point, I knew it was sticky. I knew it was sticky. I knew it was sticky. I knew it was going to be sticky from that point on because now, Ewers, you have to step up and almost be like

Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. In those moments, in time, when the pressure's on, in the throws you're going to have to make to put your team

and carry them on your back, it didn't happen. It didn't happen the way, well, it did happen in the ball with the other. But here's the thing, Ocho. Even though when they made it 21-14, Texas got the ball and went right down the field. Yeah.

Ocho again, see? Ocho, why would a tight end do that? He makes a great play, and then you point at the guy. You see, Ocho? Now, see? That's the stuff that I'm talking about. Yeah. And then he's like, oh, what happened?

Bro, you know you can't do that. That's all Ocho. That ain't something new. That's always been in the play. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, bro. And quote in a moment.

Man, this was, like I said, Ohio State. Look, they did a great job of neutralizing. I mean, if you think about Ocho, they did a great job of stoppingizing i mean if you think about it oh joe did a great job of stopping the run 23 carries for 82 yards they didn't let him run wild on them like or like they ran wild on oregon they didn't they did a good job they didn't really they gave up the one big play right before the half that but to give them credit that could have been a backbreaker because that took a lot of life because you had gone the entire first half with no points.

You get a touchdown with like 25, 30 seconds to go, and then you kick the ball off. They take it at the end and get on the 25, and then one play there in the end zone. So that could have been a backbreaker, but give Sark guys credit. They go in there. They regroup.

They made it in the ball game. 14-8. They tied up at 14. They regroup. They made it the ball game. 14. Hey, they tied up at 14. Ohio State scored a touchdown late in the ball game. Oh, 21-14. Texas, get the ball. Ewers makes a couple of big throws. They're right back down the field.

Yeah. Give Ohio State credit. They said, okay, you're down here. Now what you going to do? You ain't done anything until you get the ball into the end zone. Yeah. Until you get all that, that's fine. And I know I saw UT fans, they're going crazy.

The burnt orange and white, they're going crazy. Because that's the cotton bowl. You're in Dallas, Texas. There are a lot of fans in Texas that went to UT. Ohio State said, bro, until you get this ball in the end zone, I don't know what y'all jumping up and down for. Right. Watch this. First down. Second down. Second and go. Oh, but you lose

three yards. I'm like, bro. Penalties kill both of these teams. A lot of penalties in some of the first half, some of the second half. I think the momentum is for Ohio State. in some of the first half, some of the second half. And I think the momentum, especially for Ohio State, it was in the first half where I think they could have gone up another,

but they got a penalty back in my 15 yards. And every time they got that 15-yard penalty, it was really, again, like we fussed about last night. We talked about being able to get 20 yards in one shot in one play. Look how difficult it was for them to recover on both sides of the ball. Texas 2 and Ohio State. But once they got them 50-yard penalty, it was impossible. The playbook shrinks significantly because there's only so many plays you can call

to actually get the first down. You try to get it in the toss, but it's damn near impossible based on all the defensive plays you can call to prevent it from happening. But the thing is, Ocho, is like lot of times like when you get it like okay you got a big play and you in this first down and they call it back so now it's all of a sudden it's going to be first and 10 or first and 25 you just try to get 10 of it back you don't try to get it all back you just try to get so now let's make it second and 15 okay let's get seven eight yards now we got something that we can do deal with it's just

hard to consistently pick up third and long you start getting a third and eight nine ten fifteen you might get one or two a game but the likelihood of you making a living picking up that kind of that kind of distance is not very good um but like i said will how Howard, 24-33, 289, one touchdown, one interception. Bro, does anybody not see that buzz linebacker? That's what I just want to know, dude. Does anybody see that buzz linebacker? On a deep curl route. Yes.

He balled right up on the defense. You have to think about it. What I think he thought is with that play-action fake, once you go down there and you draw them linebackers up, I don't think he expected a linebacker to be the drop that goddamn deep. Yes. Like that curl route, I'm talking about that deep curl. That was about 18 to 20 yards.

But see, the reason why the guy dropped, because he don't have any run responsibility. So if I ain't got no run responsibility, why I give a damn if he play fake it? That ain't my job. Offensive line and the back backer got that. I got buzz. Right. Guess backer got that I got buzz right guess what I got

I got I got flat to hook so guess what I'm gonna do Ocho ain't nothing to threaten me in the hook and then flat

let me get my ass in this hook right but you know one thing about it and I think it comes obviously with chemistry and timing

and then actually the quarterback and the receiver being on the same page the NFL something like that that same play if you want to play inside the same page in the NFL something like that that same play if you want to play inside the hook I mean I'm gonna come right on around that yeah and the

quarterback won't be able to see that but he's gonna see that back and dropping into the hook and wait for the receiver come right off his ear hole and throw the ball right off his ear hole right just come back just come on back down to the ball but you know in college they don't really get that intricate like that basically he's not reading it because he's coming straight back to the ball. So I'm thinking the quarterback seeing the guy up underneath me, he ain't going to even chip to throw me the ball because you need something to like

thread him to the flat to make him get wide. All I need is a crease. Make him get wide. But now nobody gets wide, he's going to drop straight back to that hook to curl, whatever they call it. He's there. I'm like,

bro, same thing happened last night. No, the day when he got the pick, I'm like, bro, did y'all not see that man buzz that? What are y'all looking at?

Do y'all not see that? I mean, I see it. I didn't know. Plus Ocho, he stared him down too. Yeah. He stared him down. You know, it's funny if plus, Ocho, he stared him down, too. Yeah. He stared him down.

You know what's funny? If I think, even if he didn't stare him down, if he did, which is pojuel as a quarterback, you get that ball after that play, it's a fake, and you look down the barrel of the safety in the middle of the field, I think the backer would still be in that goddamn lane. Yeah, because he got the curl. He got that, Ocho. That's his only responsibility son guess what man if he run an over route that's not your responsibility if they run the ball that's

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Listen to Ali and Me, now on Audible. Ocho, check this out. Ex-Georgia quarterback Carson Beck commenced in Miami. Less than 24 hours after entering the transport portal, Beck committed to play for the Hurricanes. Beck will reportedly make $4 million from the Hurricanes in the transport portal, landing him among the highest paid players in college football. Beck's girlfriend, Hannah Cavender is

a star Miami's women's basketball player alongside her twin sister Haley. Hannah makes nearly $1 million in NIL money. They must have not saw Carson Beck. I didn't want to say nothing.

I didn't want to say anything, but Carson Beck looks the way he does because of his support in Cavs. Look what he had surrounding him at Georgia. And they ain't got that at U-M. I mean, listen, now we have some dogs. Y'all got some good players, but y'all ain't got no five-star like

Kirby got. We ain't got nothing like that. But we do have some guys that can make some plays. I will tell you that. It's not the Hurricanes of the old. No matter what position you go to, we talk about first rounders, five stars. I mean, we don't have that, but we got some animals. It's still Miami. It's still the Hurricanes.

So again, now Beck is going to have to come in. He's going to have to improve. He's going to have to improve and do some of the things that Cam Ward was able to do. Cam Ward was able to elevate the players around him because he was special. He was that good. So, I mean, people are going to understand. Carson Beck, you're going to understand. You're going to have to

play better. You're going to have to play better. I'm just trying to figure out what his turnover machine. Did they not see him last year? I mean, really, I'm just trying to figure out what his turnover machine did they not see him last year I mean really I'm being truthful

I'm being very very truthful did they not see his body of work last season yeah excuse me if you saw his body of work look I don't begrudge anybody getting that money. But if they give him money,

I like that. Hey, I'm about to have me another kid. Hey, hey, you could be some butt sauce to get a million. If you halfway good, you get two and a half. If you damn good, you're going to get four to six.

Yeah, yeah. Especially, especially you play the quarterback position. I'm like, damn. Yeah, yeah. Especially, especially you play the quarterback position. I'm like, damn. No, I hate Miami. I hate the Hurricanes or the Hurricane.

I'm just saying maybe they, maybe, maybe they didn't want, and he's coming off an injury. He hurt his elbow. I don't know, I don't know if it's significant he's going to have to have surgery.

Maybe rest will heal it. But don't you know, and again, he was another one. Oh, he come out and he's going to to have surgery maybe rest will heal it but don't you and again he was another one oh he come out he's gonna be a top five pick quinn ewers he's ready better than she knew he's ready here i'm like whoa whoa slow down slow down slow down i'm just telling you what evaluators had it i ain't having them well listen whoever the evaluators are they need to get the answer oh joe and and he had surgery on his elbow.

Yeah. Okay. Listen, if they still gave him the money, the extent of the injury, and the timetable it takes for him to heal and recover and get better, I'm assuming he will be fine. Wait, is it a throwing hand? Yes. Ugh.

Yes, it is. Ugh. Yes. It is. Uh, Miami need to fix their defense, though. Yeah. That's what they need to fix. Yeah. It's hard. I mean, and because one turnover probably is going to doom you. And you saw

that time and time again. Cam Ward played really, really well. But if he turned the ball over one time, it probably was going to end up costing them the game. Yeah, because the other team is going to score.

They're going to go down and score. And that's the thing. And so that's what they're going to, Miami, that's what the Canes need to get. They need to get some defense help. They need to get some guys in the portal to come play

defense for them. Now, I don't know if all the guys that are coming back, I know Cam Ward is leaving. I don't know how many of those receivers are coming back. I know Cam Ward is leaving. I don't know how many of those receivers are coming back. I mean, they had a tight end that was

eight. He was like 30. He had to play with kids. He's the only one that could go buy beer. And you know, when you were in college, you had that one old guy that senior that could go buy beer, and he was the guy that was in charge for

getting the beer yeah but man uh man look back oh four million Ocho and that was quick because he just he just put his name in the portal what yesterday yeah and here he is he's already got a team lined up but you already know what that means yeah you know things know, things have been going on behind the scenes. Things have been going on behind the scenes. Conversations were being had already prior to. Right. Which is why everything was able to unfold that damn fast.

Yeah. And the plus to the thing is, Ocho, he saw the writing on the wall. Uh-huh. He saw the writing on the wall because he didn't play as well this year as he played last year and yeah this ain't no in college football it used to be okay yeah you came you committed to us and you know you're a sophomore so we're gonna give you a junior year if you're a junior we'll give you a senior that that ain't it no more and the way they got it set up now with this nil bro you you on scholarship semester to semester. You know what I mean?

It normally was like year to year, Ocho. You signed basically with a contract for one year at a time. Now that thing's semester to semester. It's too much money involved. It's too competitive.

And guys, like, hey, coaches are kind of like handcuffed, Ocho. Because you bench a guy, oh, he jumped in the portal on you. He gone. And he a five-star. He going to find a place

to land, Ocho. He a four or five-star. And you got to understand, most of the time, sometimes you have five-stars that don't play like five-stars. Yes. That's why they sit on the bench.

But here's the thing, though, Ocho. Here's the difference. The other team, when they jump in that portal, they realize he was a five star and they wanted him. So now I'm going to pay $200,000, $300,000, $400,000, whatever it takes to get and put him in my program because I wanted him before he went to where he went to. Right. Exactly.

That's the same thing with Beck. I don't know what Beck was, but in order to get that kind of money, somebody had to have wanted him. Yeah, obviously. And he did play quarterback at the top at UGA. That's one of the premier programs in all of college football. So he was the starting quarterback, Ocho, for two years.

Right. And which command the kind of money he's getting. It commands in Morris the salary or the NIL money that he's going to get because of where he played and the success he did have despite his woes last year. Yeah.

But Ocho, $4 million for him for him hey i don't begrudge nobody getting the money hey if y'all gonna pay it i'm taking it too because i'm sure somebody probably say when i was making the money i was made that damn he made shannon making that kind of money what i'm gonna do is ah man you know i ain't worth that but i ain't worth that hey take some of this money back i'm taking it i'll let y'all figure out y'all made a mistake later oh joe uh espn re-polled 20 scouts and executives asked them who is the top quarterback in the 2025 draft 2025 nfl draft in the latest poll, Cam Ward and Shador Sanders got 11 votes. Cam Ward got 9 votes. Carson Beck, well, now y'all

discredited it. Because Carson Beck got 5 and Jalen Mirrow got 4. And Quinn Ewers got a vote. So now, since y'all done did that, I don't even know what to take it. I don't even know what to make of it. Exactly. And listen, I have a question. How come take I don't even know what to make of it Exactly, and listen

I have a question, how come with the voters, the people that do the, not only the all pro voting in the NFL, but just the voters that do the voting in college how come we can't see exactly who they are? No, they're scouts, they're former executives and scouts

You're not supposed to be participating in stuff like this. So that's why you got to keep it anonymity. See, I don't like that because sometimes even their eye is wrong. Yes. Even their eye is wrong. For sure. When they judge, it's wrong.

I think people in positions like that when it comes to scouts, GMs, they should be former players at some time. Or maybe former players should help consult based on certain positions that that play the game at a high level they should help in that area come most of the time you look at gms and scouts it's people that never played the game they just been around the game you know and they know what it what it should look like but didn't really play position or didn't really play the sport. He doing everything based off analytics or I've been around, I've studied that.

No, no, you know, you, you have players that have played the game that can tell you now, despite what it may look like, y'all, you also have to take into account,

look at the competition you're playing against. That's why, you know, whoever it may be, exhibit a may look that goddamn good, but look what happens. He disappears against better competition right

so what's going to happen he plays in the NFL I don't know there's so many different variables that go into it I would love to get into scouting you know like that

when it comes to looking at receivers never mind you know how much time you got to put in to do that Ocho oh I already know I already know

yeah exactly you write what you're supposed to be yeah I know it's me but I like the part about i like the part about watching film studying you like the thought of watching film and doing all that you don't like actually doing that yeah yeah yeah unless i'm unless i'm finna play you know the thought of just looking at tape and... You know what? Despite what you may think,

you know, as far as perception and me when it comes to, you know, just doing stuff like that, now I will do it. You do it, Ojo. You do it for you

because you need to know what the defense is going to do. You ain't trying to look at... You ain't trying to look at... I would enjoy it, though. I i would i would enjoy it though i would think i'd enjoy it you know chad what y'all think y'all think oh y'all think oh joe want to watch tape yeah yeah yeah yeah hey man you won't believe this man tonight man what happened oh man man well listen i almost almost didn't make the show, boy. I almost went to jail, boy.

What happened? Man. Well, listen, so my daughters, my two oldest, you know, they in town right now. I got Ja'Kyra and Sade. Thank you, baby. I know y'all might be watching. I love y'all. I appreciate it.

They took me to No Food for dinner, right? They took you where? No Food. Okay. I've never been to restaurants, you know, obviously those type of restaurants. So it was nice.

You know, they sell sushi and stuff like that. You know, I don't, whatever. I enjoyed it though. The ambiance was cool. The service was phenomenal.

It was out there on Collins. Hold on, I'm talking about Nobu. I'm talking about Nofu. Nobu. I was going to say, that's what I'm looking at. I'm like,

that's what I'm looking at. That's what I'm looking at. No food. I ain't never heard of that, but okay. He telling the story. It's his story. Let him tell it. So the food I ordered, I ordered shrimp and pork rolls. I don't like avocado, so I had them remove the avocado.

I ordered steak. I ordered steak as well. Skirt. Skirt steak. It was chopped up in half. It was cool. And my daughters ordered, but they ordered and I tasted some of their food. Would it be my first

time experiencing this restaurant? It was cool. It was cool. It's not something that I would go to on my own. But it was their suggestion. They wanted to do something nice to me. So boom, I enjoyed that. Boom. So I tell them I'm watching the game on my phone and the waiter keep coming trying to make sure I'm okay. I'm like, man, I'm okay, man. I'm just watching the game. So I know what to talk about tonight.

Right. You know, on nightcap. And, you know, you know, I'm a fan of the show. I really enjoy it. I like it. You know, the chemistry, y'all are really funny, man. And so I say, cool. So I pay the bill early because I know I got to leave. So by the time the third quarter hit, I jump in the car. So I jump in the car just to make sure i'm able to get here on time right i'm speeding i'm doing about 80 i didn't realize i was doing 80 i was doing 80 to 65 so i'm like oh snap boom the lights come on behind me oh lord police done pulled me over man i put my seatbelt on i ain't having a seatbelt on. So I like, I hurry up and skirt and, you know, slug my seatbelt on real quick. Right.

So come on. Dude come to the door. He tap on the window. I roll the window down. I said, how you doing, sir? He ain't even say nothing back.

I was trying to be nice. He said, papers. I said, scissors. I said, well, hell,

I was living. So he went back to the car. Shoot, when he went back to the well, hell, I was on. So he went back to the car. Shoot, when he went back to the car, shoot, I drove off. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so I drove off. Shoot. I took off.

He didn't came back behind me. So I'm thinking, maybe he want to rematch because he lost paper rock scissors. Yeah. You know, because he talk about paper shit. I said, scissors. You okay?

So I left because he talked about paper shit i said sentence okay so i left because he thought he lost right man i took him all i brought him all the way to the house man he can't be drew he followed me all the way to the house wrote me a ticket man see he said you're lucky i like your humor you're lucky you're lucky i like your humor and i'm a fan of yours and um i said man you watch the show too? He said, yeah. And I was trying to figure out. And he said, I left to go back to the car so I can get an autograph and a picture.

I wasn't leaving. I mean, he didn't leave when I said scissors. And I said, hey, I won. He didn't leave. He left to go get a paper, go get a pen so I could sign something. But I took off and left. I thought he was done. So he wrote you a ticket?

He just wrote me a ticket, man. Damn. Wrote me a ticket. But it's cool. It's cool. Listen, I was trying to be funny. I was trying to be funny about papers. I don't joke with them. It's the same registration.

Registration and driver's license. He said papers. I said stuff. I think you forgot what color you are. Who? You. Oh, I'm in Miami. I'm good.

No, you're not. I'm good. Ask Tyreek Hill what you're good. That's different. Reed ain't from here. I'm from home. Tyreek Hill. You ain't home.

Yeah. If you was from home, you wouldn't have got no ticket. Oh, but he had to follow me for 30 more minutes. So that's why I got it. if you was for home you wouldn't have got no ticket oh but he had to follow me for 30 minutes he's supposed to have to get your escort home hey

a veteran scout said this is one of the weakest classes there's not a lot of depth to it and there's not a lot of high talent players either. Ochoa, do you agree with this? Absolutely not. Okay. I can give you five.

The defensive end from Penn State. Abdul Carter. High-level talent. Travis Hunter. High-level talent. Cam Ward. High-level talent. There's a D-tackle.

I don't know his name off the top of my head. Off the top of my head. High-level talent. Cam Ward. High-level talent. There's a D-tackle. I don't know his name off the top of my head. Off the top of my head. High-level talent. Cam Ward. High-level talent. Based on the situations that the quarterback go to, they're going to be fine. Now, you think about the Giants are picking early.

Who else is picking early? Cleveland Raiders, Jacksonville, New England. Oh, see? Jacksonville's not taking no quarterback. No, but he said he's not just talking about the quarterback. He's saying the level of talent and the depth of talent in the class. You name five players, there's 32 drafts. It's not. You're right about that.

So you agree with him. So you agree with him. There's not a whole lot with me. You agree with him. There's not a whole lot of high-level talent, and there's not a whole lot of depth. There is talent in every draft. But some drafts, there's a plethora. You're going to get great value from a guy in the second or the third round. Third round.

But this is the thing. This is the funny thing about it, especially, again, with the eye test, and value and talent. You never know who might be a gym right that might not be seen at the high level talent right now but all of a sudden they get to the nfl they get into the right situation they're used based on their strengths right you know they're able to hide their weaknesses and use them to the best of their abilities based on where they go all of a sudden boom you got a gym that comes out of nowhere that you got in the third or maybe the fourth round.

Well, you go look at 2011. You get Cam at one. You get Vaughn at two. And you get J.J. Watt. You get Cam Jordan. You get Hayward. And down the line, you go get a Richard Sherman. You get a Julio Jones.

You get A.J. Green. You see where I'm going? You get a Tyron Smith. Now you see where I'm going when they say loaded top to bottom high level talent. This draft lacks that. Yeah, there are some gems.

There are some guys in here that we think a lot of. And you're right. There's always going to be a hidden gem that doesn't get value, don't get the high grade right comes in and plays really really well you're like well damn if we were redrafting this guy would go higher this guy probably be a first round pick so forth and so on but when i look at this draft i

don't i don't see like oh boy this thing hey if i miss my guy here, I'm going to get a great guy. Right. No, I think this draft, as far as owners, scouts, and GMs, they're going to have to be very sure, very sure on who they want and who they're picking. And they have to go through film with a fine-tooth comb, understanding the needs that they do need, and go from there. But again, I think there are some gems, there are some names of players

that might have certain issues, no character stuff, stuff off the field that are very good that aren't getting noticed. Right. They get a chance and they get the opportunity.

They can surprise a lot of people. Ocho, we got some bad news. Former LSU wide receiver Kyron Lacy is wanted for negligent homicide and a felony hit and run in a connection with a December 17 crash that killed one person and injured two others in Louisiana, according to state police. Lacey was allegedly illegally passing other vehicles at a high rate of speed by crossing the center lane and entered an oncoming lane in a no-passing zone. A truck swerved to avoid colliding with Lacey. The vehicle and vehicles behind it collided head-on

with another vehicle going in the opposite direction. Following the crash, Lacey drove around the crash scene, bled south on L.A. Louisiana Highway 20 without stopping to render aid, call emergency services or report the involvement in the crash. According to police documents. Yeah, man. Ocho. Ocho.

I know he know what happened to Ruggs. I know he know. He had to see that, O but i get it ocho when you young you never think anything like this so i can't beat him up too bad because i've driven at a high rate of speed now i wasn't you know trying to pass on but i'm just going you know it's just you know oh so you know i did like i'm on 95 and I'm coming from Daytona. I'm going back to Savannah. So it's just two lanes.

And there's a median, there's a fence. So two lanes, me and the traffic going this way. But you know what I'm saying? There is no possibility of another car coming this way. I was wrong. Now, I don't want people to think that I'm trying to condone because I was traveling at 108 miles an hour. Dead wrong. Damn wrong. Damn wrong.

Got two tickets. Guy said I clocked you at 108, and the other guy clocked you at 92. So we got a right to two tickets. Does anybody here, hey, they put me in the car, Ojo. They like, anybody here got driver's license that can drive the car? Right. Hey, let him up. One of the dudes that went to college with me, he drove

the car. They took me to the police station. It's like a bond like $1,500. Right, right. I broke that thing. You know what I mean? Oh, Joe. Yes, sir. I'm counting money. They thought I had a money count in my pocket. Yeah, yeah. I've been peeling off

the money. He's like, if you don't mind what do you do hey I can't tell y'all y'all gonna keep me here longer y'all might break the door this is the car I can't tell you what I do but you have no option to get up out of here

but guys you gotta just be careful and I know Joe when you young you believe you are invincible especially if you're an athlete now like i said we've been athletes our whole life so you know how we think that ain't nothing gonna happen to me hold on you gotta you gotta you gotta add the other element to it now you're not not only do you think you're invincible when you when you're an athlete when you're a good athlete at that, you're in college, you're on top of the world. But this is the other element that makes it even that much more dangerous. Money.

Oh, yeah. Now they got money. So once you add the money to it, now you really feel you're invincible and you're not thinking right. You're not in your right state of mind so some of the things that you do when you are young driving fast drinking clubbing having a good time feeling that you are invincible in certain situations when normally in your right state of mind when you're older and you're a little bit more experienced you're not thinking about that stuff you know but now you get to sit back you know that and that's what he gets your career might be over huh no it all depends maybe it's a first time offense um he's young um i was just reading his report i don't know if we're

going to talk about it that henry ruggs is eligible for parole in august of 26 26 it'd be 26 years of age yeah uh in a situation like this Ocho what it gets you is that you fail to render aid you fail to call because you have the definition of a crime is an act or failure to act where there's a responsibility to act

you in this situation you got a responsibility now and you neglected his responsibility right hey call hey man even if you Ocho you got a responsibility now. And he neglected his responsibility. Hey, call. Hey, man. Even if you... If you just called, what you should have done is stop.

Try to call 911. Hey, what's your emergency? There's a serious car accident that happened, blah, blah, blah. I ain't telling you nothing. I'm going to get me an attorney. I'm going to call my attorney. As soon as I get the phone with you,

I'm calling the attorney. Hey, man, there's this bad accident and I was involved. So I'm probably going to keep my mouth shut, but i'm just letting you know yes sir that's just thinking like that just thinking yeah but in a situation like that old show guys we got we got to just be smart and i get it i was young i ain't finna sit here i ain't finna beat the man up too much because i've done some things that i look back at it like boy oh boy Porter know she was a God fearing woman and she

laid some prayers down because ain't no way some situations that I was in a lot of stuff I told y'all some of the situation there's some situations there that hey my casket go hey Ocho they might have to have my casket on the forklift because all these stories that I'm going to take

with me gonna make it real heavy my casket real heavy. I can't get real heavy. Some things you just, you know what, Shannon, just go on and take that with you. But guys, we just got to be careful. Come on. The family that lost loved one and the injured part,

if your heart goes out and you empathize for them, because this is something that could have been prevented. This is not a tire blew out. Ocho, you know what I'm saying? This is not a deer jumps out in the road or something like that. This was... And most accidents are human error.

Right. This was human error. Yes, sir. And it could have been prevented. But like I said, Ocho, I've been young. And I just feel bad because that's a heavy burden to bear, Ocho. The note A, that you call someone to have to get that knock on the door and tell them that family member ain't coming home.

You responsible for that. That's on you, bro. Yeah. And so, guys, we just got to be smarter and try not to put ourselves in those situations. Things are going to happen,

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The quarterback, the first team quarterback, Lamar Jackson. Yes, sir. It's hard to see a scenario where the first team all-pro quarterback doesn't win MVP. I can't recall a situation where that's happened.

If you go back, you look at over the last decade plus, every quarterback that's been the first team all pro not you know normally like i said especially if the quarterback's gonna win the award now there's a situation that payton was the first team quarterback but adrian peterson won the award we believe you and i believe that a quarterback's gonna win the award award. You went Josh, I went Lamar. I think Lamar is going to win the award. It's going to be hard for him to be like, hold on.

If Josh Allen is the MVP, he should have been first-team all-team quarterback, correct? Yeah. And because Lamar is the first-team, so that's where I think it's going to go. But let's go ahead and run through it. Saquon, first-team running back. Patrick Richard, is the first-team fullback Richard. Ricard is the first team fullback.

Brock Bauer is the first team all-pro. Tight end. You had two unanimous selections at wide receiver. Both former Tigers. Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson. The slot is Amon Ross St. Brown. Left tackle. For the first time, we've

had a, he was a right all-pro right tackle, and he's been an all-pro left tackle that's Tristan Wirth left guard Joe Tooney center Creed Humphrey right guard Quinn Menares Bronco and right tackle is Panay Sewell

now Sewell is the one that surprised me because I kind of thought they would go with Lane Johnson because Lane has had a hell of a season the first team all-pro defense Now, Sewell is the one that surprised me because I kind of thought they would go with Lane Johnson. Right. Because Lane has had a hell of a season. The first team's all pro defense. Miles Garrett, Trey Hendrickson are your edge.

Cam Hayward and Chris Jones are your interior. Right. Zach Braun, Fred Warner are your inside linebackers along with Roquan Smith. Pat Sertain had 49 of the 50 votes. Daryl Stingley Jr., Marlon Humphrey is the slot corner. Kerry Joseph is the safety along with Xavier McKinney. Now, how Pat Sertain is not unanimous. Right.

There's always one oddball, huh? There's always one oddball there's always one oddball always that's why I said the people that do the voting they need to be revealed they need to be revealed and who was

if you got 49 votes who's the oddball you know what that reminds me of remember that episode of Martin yeah where Colt Martin they were deliberating on the guilty

somebody being guilty for something that happened you remember that episode and Colt kept Colt kept saying innocent yeah yeah they were deliberating on the guilty somebody being guilty for something that happened you remember the episode? Cole kept saying innocent oh man that's what it reminds me of but one of the things I like who was the other corner on the other side?

Derek Stingley Jr. hey Stingley's the real deal oh yeah for sure he had the unbelievable season I'm glad he's getting the recognition that he deserves for the way he's been playing

not just this year last year as well Eric is very very good very good uh SEC SEC SEC

so you had Brock Biles SEC Chase SEC Jefferson SEC you got Miles Garrett SEC you got Chris Jones SEC you got Roquan Smith SEC you got Pat Sertan SEC you got Derek Stingley Jr. SEC you got Marlon Humphrey SEC you got Xavier McKinney SEC but the SEC ain't the conference I missed something but that's okay who else okay

that's it I don't know what's Zach Brown with the Wisconsin so he ain't it Fred Warner with the BYU Cam with the

I think Cam Hayward with the Pittsburgh Trey Hendrickson I'm not familiar where he went to school. I know Miles went to A&M. Creed Humphrey went to Oklahoma, didn't he?

I think Creed Humphrey went to Oklahoma. So he might be another SEC guy. Yeah. So you got one, two, three, four. Four of your 12 offense in the SEC.

And you got Chris Jones. You got Miles Garrett. You got Roquan Smith, Pat Sertan, Derek Stingley Jr., Marlon Humphrey, Xavier McKinney. So one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Seven of the 12 all-pro defense SEC. Hmm. Just saying. You know, is it really the conference or is it the player?

They just so happen to play for collegiate teams in the SEC. Why do you think they go there? You're not going to Georgia and Alabama and Texas to be a Rhodes Scholar. You're going to go to the NFL. I'm just going to be 1,000 with you. That's why you go to those schools. The same reason they go to Ohio State.

What am I going to Ohio State for? Maybe if I go to Stanford, man, I sure hope it. But I'm really thinking about I'm going to be a finance, I'm going to house? They fuck. Yeah. Now, maybe if I go to Stanford, man, I still hope it, but I'm really thinking about, I will be a finance. I'll be econ. I'll be something like that.

You go there, you know what you, you know what you're thinking about. Yeah. Most definitely. Most definitely. Cause the coach is going to tell you, son,

you're not here on an academic scholarship. You're not here in the band. You're here to play football yeah that's what coach david should tell us all the time son i saw your grades you couldn't get in prison uh but this is normally an indication. Yes, sir. The first team all pro quarterback. Yeah.

And we think that's going to be Lamar Jackson is the first. And I said it is a tough decision. Ochoa, I voted for this award for a decade. I took it very, very seriously. That's what really, you know, you watch all the games. And plus, like when you're in studio, Ochoa, they got. And so you're watching all the games and you're watching,

you're taking notes and you're watching O-line play and you're watching D-line play and you're watching all of this because you got to vote for it. Because you got to vote for the All-Pro. And it's just not like the Pro Bowl

where you just vote for conference. You're voting for the best player at said position regardless of conference. And so, it looks like Lamar Jackson is going to be a back-to-back MVP.

That's what it's looking like. The writing on the wall, if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly, and I read at a really good level, maybe not pronounce all the words correctly,

but I read at a good level. Right. Listen, I'm going to be happy for Lamar, obviously, with my bangles being out. My hope, my hope for Lamar is to do what he's done in the regular season,

but carry that same magic in the postseason. Carry that same magic in the postseason. And as much as I love my Bengals, as much as I am who they from head to toe, if there is a team out the AFC that I would love to host at Lombardi, it's not the team itself when it would be for Lamar. It would be for Lamar to actually win that Lombardi trophy

just to get that monkey off his back. He's got to, Ocho. An elite company with very few that have done it. That pressure that haunts him, especially in the postseason,

is gone. It's no longer there. So he's talked about in the class with the elites. The Mahomes, the Bradys, the Mannings, the Joe Montanas, the guys that's won multiple. Right.

Because he's the only multiple that doesn't have a Super Bowl now he's 28 he got years to go but that's the thing that people don't I'm not saying that his career because his career by no by no stretch would be a

it would be I think it would be disappointing it wouldn't be a failure because if you got three or four MVPs and you got no Super Bowls, come on now. Let's be real. Let's be fair. It is disappointing, but it's not a failure. No, hell no.

MVPs? That means you got three. Now, he's got a couple of Super Bowls. We got to start talking about this man as a top five quarterback you got to start talking about it because right now top five no matter how you slice it you got to say

Brady you got to say Montana you got to say Mahone it doesn't matter though we know Brady got all you know he got three MVPs five Super Bowl MVPs he got seven Super Bowl so he has to be one but Joe but Joe and Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes need one more playoff win

and he would tie Joe for the second most wins for a quarterback in playoff history. Yeah. So this is where Lamar Jackson, you would have to see, and a guy that many thought he needed to be a wide receiver.

Many thought he needed to be a running back. The guy that said he couldn't do what he couldn't do what he couldn't do. Somehow he's turned himself into a three-time league MVP and a potential Super Bowl win. Then there's nothing else you can say. And that is my argument. And why I say what I said earlier, my little spiel, when it comes to scouts, talking about this week's draft coming up. Now, there are no talents like Lamar Jackson was when he was coming out of Louisville,

because the fact that those watching that are supposed to be professionals that are going back to owners and GMs and telling them who's what and who's who, this is the eye. Your eye tells you that this individual should play running back. Your eye tells you that this individual

should go play receiver. All Lamar is doing is what he did at Louisville when he won this Heisman. You tell me what he's not doing. He threw for 3,500 yards in about 12, 13 games. He rushed for 13, 14, 15, 100 yards. So tell me what he's doing different now than what he did at Louisville when he won the Heisman. Nothing. He's improving and he's a better

thrower of the ball. I know that. He is. But before Ocho, before this renaissance, they would have moved Lamar Jackson or he had to go to Canada like Warren Moon. Warren Moon, Doug Flutie, Kurt Warner. Yeah,

they'd have moved it. There are a lot of guys that had the ability, but oh no, you black quarterback, you know, he was athletic.

Yeah, that stigma was heavy, boy. Mind you, that stigma is still there. Yeah. It's still there. But guess what?

Not everybody looking for an athletic quarterback. Because the game has changed. The game itself has changed offensively. They don't want statues anymore. No. You can be a statue,

but if you're a statue, you got to be that much more special, especially when it comes to your arm strength and your arm talent. Today, Lane Johnson Locker had a stat sheet

comparing his stats to Panenae Sewell's season after Johnson was voted second team all pro. Basically, it said sacks allowed. Lane Johnson allowed zero sack. Sewell allowed one. Quarterback hits. Lane allowed one. Sewell allowed five.

Quarterback hurries. Johnson, nine. Sewell, 22. Quarterback hurries. Johnson, nine. Sewell, 22. Pressures allowed. Johnson, 10. Sewell, 48. Pass block win rate. Lane won 94% of his. Sewell, 91%.

Island rate. 75%, he was one. Sewell, 55%. He was 58. Quarterback time to throw, 3.13 seconds. Sewell, 2.79 seconds. Run block win rate, 80%. Sewell wasn't ranked. Team rushing yards, 3,048 for the Eagles, 2,488 for Sewell.

Yeah. So in other words, his teammates say, bro,488 for Sewell. Yeah. So in other words, his teammates say, bro, that should have been you. Yeah, most definitely. But you know, it's hard to argue too. Panay Sewell is the real deal. Oh, yeah, for sure. Lane Johnson is the real deal.

Now, when you want to get the nitpicking and picking them apart, you do things like that by putting the numbers in someone's locker a little bit more motivation. He's going to dominate somebody. I feel sorry for who they're playing. They're playing Green Bay.

Boy, I feel sorry for that. Oh, yeah. Most definitely. That right here. We're talking about the two best right tackles in the game, huh? Yes.

Two best right tackles in the game. And you can close your eyes, you can put on a blindfold, and you can pick either one. They're going to get the job game. Yes. Who best right tackles in the game? And you can close your eyes, you can put on a blindfold and you can pick either one. They're going to get the job done. Yep. They're going to get the job done. So it had to be somebody.

And, you know, congratulations to Penae, you know, and Lane Johnson, no need to hang your head. You know who he is. We know who you are. Mike Harris admitted before his first meeting with Marshawn Latimer earlier this season is. We know who you are. Mike Evans

admitted before his first meeting with Marshawn Latimer earlier this season that he hasn't done a good job of controlling his emotion against his nemesis. The Bucs receiver has let the now commander's cornerback get up on his kid. Evans was ejected once

and has served a two one game suspension for his action against Lattimore while losing more than 100,000 in fines. Lattimore warned Evans this week that Evans is going to know he's there. Evans admit he's got to be disciplined. I just got to I just got to be at my best. I've got to give my best because he's a really good player. Obviously, we've had a lot of good matchups.

If he's playing, I look forward to we've had a lot of good matchups. If he's playing, I look forward to the matchup. Yeah. I love that. I love that. I love the fact that Latimer came out and said, you won't know I'm here.

You won't know me. That, that mystique, the mystique that they provided us, the entertainment that provided us when they had those matches between the saints and the goddamn books. That was what we as fans, me now being a fan of the game, we need that. Yeah. I need that.

I'm excited for it. I'm going to be tuned in. I'm going to have my popcorn ready. If I was Lattimore, what I would do, I would tell my team's coordinator, listen, wherever Levin goes, whether he goes to the left, whether he goes to the right, if he goes to the slot, I'm following him everywhere on the field. I mean, that's just me. That's just me. But that matchup is going to be very exciting. I'm not sure if it will be as exciting as it once was

when they were with the Saints and the Bucs, but it's going to be a good matchup whenever those two are lined up against each other. And Latimer will probably be a man-to-man. He'll probably be a man-to-man, so it's going to be dope. I'm really excited. Again, Evans, Latimer can probably be a man to man. He'll probably be a man to man. So it'll be dope. I'm really excited. Again, Evans, Latimer can do everything he can to get under Evans' skin.

He can do everything he can. If it comes to pushing and shoving and, you know, a little hollering, a little cussing, you know, maybe it. That's fine. It's the playoffs. And, boy, you got to get at it. I think the thing is, Mike Evans has to understand this is finality. There ain't no next week.

Okay, y'all come to Tampa or we got to go to New Orleans. You lose this game, you're going home. You don't want to lose this game because you didn't control your emotions and you got caught and you left your teammates high and dry. You got to be smart. Ocho, you know he going to, first of all, you know he teammates high and dry. Right. You got to be smart. Yeah. Ocho, you know he going to. First of all, you know he going to shove you. You know he going to get up and try to put his acorns on your helmet.

You already know he going to do stuff. Ocho, I'm doing everything I can to get up under your skin. And guess what? I might get up and I might cleat your hand. So you better ball your fists up because if you're a hand player, I'm going to step on you. Right. Yeah.

Remember what I said yesterday about the NFL, the memo that the NFL post that they put out. Again, within the game, have fun within the game. Understand the rules. Be able to control your emotions. At the end of the day, have fun. Yeah.

You got to have fun. It's still football in the day. You don't have to do anything special. It's another game with implications and the stakes are a little bit higher. Yeah. That's all. And, you know, Ocho, you make a play. Don't, hey, don't do nothing at the sideline. Don't point.

Hey, don't get no unsupportive black conduct. Don't get no taunting penalties. Hey, hey, once the game over. You can do all you want to do. Talking trash, point. Matter of fact, go to the middle of the field, step on the logo, whatever. Do all that.

But I'm not going to do anything that's going to potentially cost my team 15 yards. Now all of a sudden, I put them in field goal range, Ocho. Now all of a sudden, I give them an extra set of downs I'm not going to do anything because I do not want that burden

on me I don't but it's going to be a good matchup I don't know how healthy Marshawn Latimer is Mike Evans is extremely healthy and I think both of these guys are looking for this matchup

so it's going to be very very interesting to see how this thing plays and I think both of these guys are looking for this matchup. Oh, yeah. So it's going to be very, very interesting to see how this thing plays out because you look, it doesn't matter if I don't like you, it doesn't matter. You went to another team, I still don't like you.

It wasn't a uniform I didn't like, it was your monkey ass. You know what? And those two are one of the few battles outside of Odell, Odell Beckham and Josh Norman. Yeah. Michael Crabtree and Aqib Talib. And these two,

it's personal. Yeah. It's personal. They really don't like each other. When you think, and just football. No, it ain't just football.

Right. It ain't just football. I think if they would see each other in public, you already know what time it is. It's a situation, though, Joe, where it's easier to have these kind of rivals when you're in the same division. Right.

Lattimore and Tampa, you know, Lattimore and Tampa are in the same division. So we saw each other two times a year. Sometimes you might see each other a third time. The Raiders and the Broncos are in the same division. Right. So we're going to see you home and away so it's easier to kind of and that you know rivalry it's easy when you Pittsburgh and

Pittsburgh and Baltimore they're in the same division Washington and Dallas the Giants and the Eagles you're in the same division so where you going yeah you right you know what I just I forgot about another one we talk about things being personal where it's outside the football yeah and they really on that listen levi jones remember the left tackle our left tackle yeah for the levi jones and joey porter oh boy man peasy got peasy peasy had it in for everybody man listen i'm no. I'm no... They worse than Lattimore, them. They fight on the field.

They see each other in the club. They brawling. They saw each other in Vegas. They brawling. I'm talking about... I think still to this day,

I think they haven't resolved those issues. I'm like... Oh, come on, man. Listen, it was a joy to watch some boys go at it, though, man. On the field.

Well, every DB Smitty hated Steve Smith Sr. He hated everybody. Smitty ain't like nobody. And he wasn't there to make no friends, either. Oh, no. Now, he ain't there to make no friends. Nah, nah.

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