Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Ohio State wins Natty + Jenkins Family on viral racial profiling incident

Episode Date: January 21, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Ohio State defeating Notre Dame in the College football National Championship. Later, Unc & Ocho interview DaMichael Jenkins and his wife to share their story after being racially profiled in viral video outside their Ohio home.03:19 - Introduction06:15 - OSU v ND30:00 - DaMichael Jenkins joins(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Nightcap was nominated for Outstanding Podcasts in the Arts, Sports, and Entertainment. Club Che Che was nominated for Outstanding Podcasts, Society, and Culture. Please go vote for your two favorite guys, Punk and Ocho. The link is pinned in our social bios. We have a very special guest joining us tonight. It's the husband of the gentleman that was profiled. We showed you the video last night. He was kind enough to join us.

And so he's going to tell his side of the story, what was going through his mind, what was he thinking, and the ramification because this incident happened in November. And so he's going to be able to walk us through step by step as he recall it. So thank him for joining us. But that's going to be after Ocho and I discuss the game. Yeah. Ocho, the Buckeyes take down the Fighting Irish to win the 90. The Buckeyes beat the Fighting Irish 34-23 to win the inaugural 12-team college football playoff.

It's their first national championship since they won. They won the first one, didn't they? Yeah, they won the first one, the 14th playoff. It's their first national championship since they won. They won the first one, didn't they? Yeah, they won the first one, the 14 playoff in 2014. And so history repeated itself. They won the inaugural, this one. Total yards, Ohio State, 445, Notre Dame, 291. Total rush yards, Ohio State, 214, Notre Dame, 53. Passing yards, Will Howard was 17 of 21, 231.

Two touchdowns, no interception. Riley Leonard was 20 of 30, 238. Two touchdowns, no interceptions. Ryan Day now has as many national titles. And Ohio State has Jen Trepsle and Urban Meyer. 45-year-old Day is now 70 and 10. And I think he has the third best winning percentage of somebody in the first uh minimum of 50 games first 50 games uh he's done that so he's had an impressive run

and now after all those wins and all those guys that he sent to the nfl yeah guess what he has a national title he finally got one oh joe yeah watching game, I saw you tweet like, hey, can we start nightcap early? Yeah. What were you thinking? I mean, you saw, I mean, Notre Dame go right down the field, Ocho. They take 10 minutes off the clock and they get a touchdown. So now you're like, okay, we might have a

ball game. Well, listen, I thought we were going to have a ball game, but I had to think about, obviously, there were no adjustments that were able to be made by Ohio State. The game, on both sides of the ball, nobody had settled in yet. Nobody had settled in yet. So it's the first drive.

Normally, you know, when it comes to an NFL game, a college game, even a high school game, most of the time, the first drive of the game, you go down and score. If you're a good team,

if you're a decent team, go down and score. And then adjustments are made going into the second drive and outside of that. And then actual football game happens itself. It looked like to me at the point I sent the tweet out, it looked like I'm not going to. Notre Dame has been good all year. They lost one game. They've been good all year, but it just looked like they didn't belong.

It looked like they were they were overmatched. They were overmatched, as most people would say. If you were a gambling man and you were to bet on a team to win this game based on what they did throughout the entire season and based on the skill sets and the different positions and who had the upper hand, you would have bet

with Ohio State. And it showed up tonight. They put enough space in between them when Notre Dame got the ball rolling where they didn't have enough time to come back. Yeah, I thought they kind of got conservative also. They just started just running the football, trying to run the clock out, and they got away from the offense. And they allowed Notre Dame to gain some momentum.

Notre Dame did a good job of punching the ball out from the receiver. He picked up 24 yards, and the guy came from behind him and punched the football out. But I thought, look, the strong suit of Notre Dame is their defense. The strong suit of Ohio State is their offense. Now, could Notre Dame's offense do enough damage to Ohio State's defense? And I didn't think that. You know, once it got – I thought, for me, once the guy scored, got 14-17,

I remember calling myself like, it's over. You're like, it's just four. I said, for me, once the guy scored, got 14-17, I remember calling myself like, it's over. She's like, it's just four. I said, but no. I said, but you look at them, how they're just moving the ball down the field with little to no resistance. Willingly. So I was like, yeah, it's over. The next thing you know, it's 21-7.

It's 28-7. I thought it was about to really be over. I thought it was about to go to 35-7. They end up kicking a field goal. Field goal. And Ohio State gets some momentum when they got the fumble. But Ohio State was the superior team. I always felt that if they played their best, when the format was the 12 teams that you know were going to play

for the national championship. I was like, if Ohio State plays their best, they're the best team in football. Because they got an offense with superior athletes, athletes and they played 20 million dollars for a roster um it was just a matter of where they're going to play their best on a given day because we've seen them struggle you know this is the team that was what three touchdown uh favorite lose at home to Michigan yeah so if they played their best I didn't think any team could beat them now there are teams that have okay got a really good defense so so offense really good home to Michigan. And so if they played their best, I didn't think any team could beat them.

Now, there are teams that have, okay, got a really good defense, so-so offense. Really good offense, so-so defense. I thought Texas was probably the closest thing to them, and we saw Texas take them down to the wide, then they get that strip sack, and then put some distance between them. But Ohio State, congratulations to Ryan Day. I mean, he caused a lot of criticism, and I think it was warranted. And then people don't want to just look at it

like he won the national championship, but he's underachieved. The players that he had on that roster, those receivers that he sent to the NFL, those D linemen,

those DBs, those offensive linemen, and now this is his first title. Can't take that away from him. He has it. You can't take it away from him now.

And you talk about all the players he's had, all the players that have gone into the draft first round pick second round picks but you also have to remember the teams that he lost so to lost to uh he uh that the team that he's lost to you know throughout those years they also had first round picks you know they they also they have marvin harrison jr and jackson smith and jigba and ol. and Jackson Smith and Jigba and Olave. And who is that? What's the Garrett Wilson and Denzel Ward? And what's the what's the other guy named? You see, you see what you're doing, too, is you're naming you're naming players that played for the Ohio State.

Some of them are not at the same time. Some did play together, but also the team that they played that they lost to. They played well together as a team. Now, I can't call out all the names of the players that played on the teams that they lost to in the past. Yes. He was catching some of the flack that he had. Yes.

But right through the team that they did lose to, these weren't no slouches, man. No. They were losing to some boys. Back-to-back national champions and the Big Ten. Yes, sir. Michigan last year, and the Big Ten. Yes, sir. Michigan last year, this year Ohio State. Yes, sir.

The Big Ten is feeling really good now. Like, okay, what's up, SEC? What's good? Right. What's really, really, really happening? But, I mean, when you just look at them, Ocho, I mean, the athletes that they got at the skill position, you know, the running backs, the wide receivers, you know,

hey, Jeremiah Smith is going to be a top pick, just like Marvin Harrison Jr., just like all the other receivers that they've had, Olave and Garrett Wilson and Jackson Smith and Jigba. Go ahead. I have a question. Yes. As polished, as polished as Jeremiah Smith is, as NFL ready as he looks,

how soon can he come out in the draft? He's a freshman. He can't come out until after junior year. Oh, so it's in junior year no matter what? No matter what. Okay. No matter what. Think about this.

Look how we look this year as a freshman. Imagine the improvement that's going to happen in the offseason and how you're going to look at the sophomore I wouldn't be surprised unless a quarterback comes out of nowhere

maybe Archie Manning would be the only one Archie Manning is the only one I see rivaling him or giving him competition for that number one pick unless there's

somebody else chat maybe in the chat that you might know, that's going to come along that I don't know about, obviously, that's going to be good enough to challenge Jeremiah Smith for that number one pick in, what, 2027 or 2028? Yeah. But here's the thing, though,

Ocho. Up to me. Theoretically, Archie Manning can come out next year. This would be his junior year. Wait, what? Yeah, remember? He's a sophomore. Ah, he is a sophomore. That's right. So this would be his rising junior year.

Okay, okay. So theoretically, he could come out after this year. I'm not saying that he would. His uncle stayed all four years. Right. And, you know, obviously money is not the issue. No. And the thing is, a lot of these guys are looking at it,

the quicker I can come out, the quicker I can get to that second contract. That's going to be now $300 million. Yeah, but you also have to be careful, especially at the quarterback position.

I know you're Manning, but are you ready? Are you ready to be able to play at the next level? Have you been, have you been, I like using the word polished,

because you can tell at the collegiate level when a player is polished enough and already ready for the NFL level. Now, for Archie Manning, if you do come out early, you have to understand you're going to a team that's bad. Is the situation right? The team that happened to be picking first or second.

They can pull a power move. Are you going to a situation that suits you, you know, where you can be okay, that has somewhat of a support cast where you can succeed. So many factors come into play. At that point in time, Ocho, it doesn't matter if you're ready. Somebody's about to hand you $50 million and all of it's going to be fully guaranteed. And now you're one step closer to $300 million.

That's what guys are looking at, Ocho, because all you do is kick the can down the road until you get to that big payday. Because quarterbacks, they're redoing their deal after that third year. Everybody else normally waits to after the fourth year. But you got to think about something, huh? Quarterbacks that

are in very good situations do their deals after the third year, like a C.J. Stroud, like a J. But look what happened to a trey lance who also went early you know yes kicking down the can down the road and look you went to a situation that wasn't suitable for you long term and now you're the back of the third string with the cowboys he got beat out what you mean it wasn't they thought uh bronc party beat him out i mean he look he got ohcho, you mean to tell me you actually think

somebody will trade what they traded, two first rounders, a second and a third, and want a seventh round Mr. Irrelevant to take his spot? Yeah. Just imagine what would have happened if they don't take Brock Purdy and Trey Lance is their quarterback. Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch would get fired.

He saved their job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't trade all that draft. Ocho, you can't trade all that draft capital? Right. Because if he doesn't pay it out, you're stuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you rebuild

if you've given away all your draft capital? I have a question. Yes. Did rebuild if you've given away all your draft capital? Hey, I have a question. Yes. Did he move too fast? Was he really that bad? Just think about it. If you remember, was he that bad? Maybe Purdy was that good.

No, no disrespect to Purdy. Yeah. Look what's surrounding him. Come on now. And guess what? Trey Lance had that surrounding him and he couldn't make it work like that.

Yeah, okay, I'm just curious. We off talking. I can give you the same ingredients that I give Bobby Flay, I give Gordon Ramsey, I give one of these

top-notch chefs. It don't matter. You can't make it work like they make it work. Right, right, right, right. Purdy was a better fit. Purdy was a better fit. I don't think he was better. I right right right he was a better fit pretty pretty with the benefit i don't think he's better i don't think he's a better quarterback i don't know if that makes sense i don't know if that makes sense to you uh because listen if it opened when we saw

from fields i'm gonna talk about the field movie what we saw from trey lance right the small very very very small sample size where jerry j that, you know what, bull crap. He looked great. He looked good. He looked decent. He looked like a quarterback that can be at the helm and be a leader of men. So I'm like, I'm thinking to myself,

well, damn, if he run in the office like this and it ain't that bad, what was the problem down there in San Francisco? I don't know, Ochoa. I mean, like I said, I just, I think the thing is, like, you know, when you give up that kind of capital for a guy, you want him to succeed. Yeah. Because it makes you look bad.

The reason, the only reason we're not talking about how big a mistake that was is because Brock Purdy has played so well. He's got him in two NFC Championship games. He's taking him to the Super Bowl. So we forget what a colossal mistake drafting him and trading all that capital to get him was. Because had it not been for that, I'm not so sure they'd survive that. I don't know if a team can survive.

You give up that much. Because think about it. To move up, you gave them the next year's first-round pick. You gave them a second-round pick, a third- third round pick that's your future a lot yeah and so you're hoping oh we give that up so what we're gonna be picking in the late 20s maybe even 30 30 31 32 because we made a deep playoff run but lo and behold guess what you give up that pick and look where you are and so yeah it was really tough and i think you know i think brock purdy really saved john lynch and kyle shanahan's career in san francisco because if you don't if that doesn't pan out with trey lance where do you go from there it's tough um

it's gonna be it it's gonna be very interesting to see how the 49ers play this thing out ocho because mark Purdy's going to want $50 million. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just going to tell you what he wants. I'm not saying they're going to have to do something. It ain't about what he wants. Now, if they're going to do something, he can get like what Sam Donald's probably going

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No, he'll get more than Baker. You have to understand the success on why Brock Purdy's been able to do what he's done so far to date. I do. The supporting cast, look what he has around him. I do. Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey, Jordan Mason, Devo Samuels. has look what he has around are you jim williams christian mccaffrey uh jordan mason uh devo samuels person i mean like we come on with they mean even management even management knows i know when you talk to the agents you can't be disrespectful you have to understand can

brock pretty go somewhere else and elevate the team around him and elevate the players around him or does he have to have players that are good to elevate his play? Yes. It's different. There are a lot of quarter, but they're not, they're not a lot of quarterbacks that are forced multipliers that they can elevate everybody else.

You believe Sam Darnold can go somewhere else and elevate somebody. No, because he would have done it in Carolina or New York. Okay. Then. So look what happens when you put him around Jettis, you know, and,

um, and you're in Addison. Well, you see what you get. Obviously Jettis, you know, and... Addison. Jordan Addison. Well, you see what you get. Obviously, they fold in the playoffs, but that's what happens. You have a great supporting cast around you, and that can be management's argument. That can be the GM's argument. And the agent and the quarterback have to be realistic. Where else can you go and play the way you played with us outside of this past season?

Nowhere. Look how you played when everybody got hurt. True. else can you go and play the way you've played with us outside of this past season nowhere look how you played when everybody got hurt true but back to this uh this ohio state ohio state definitely ryan day definitely gets the monkey off his back ocho now um we'll see can you string something together um it's gonna be it's it's much more difficult nowcho, to win because you got 12 teams and, you know, one game and it's over. You know, they started out against what, Indiana? And then I think, yeah, I think they started out with Indiana and then they beat Oregon, then they beat Texas. So instead of winning two games, now you got to win four.

You got to win four games. Yeah. But I think the thing is, guess a lot eat guess what when you win alumni and boosters they want to pour money because they like that feeling they like the they like getting the gear ocho with 2025 national champs yeah that's what they like and this is okay this is what it's going to take in order for us to stay up here because other teams they're going to try to regroup georgia's like uh i i don't like this feeling you know your alabama's your texas uh you know i think if i'm not mistaken i think uh sark signed a new seven-year deal yeah uh these teams you know everybody is

looking to come back um it's gonna be interesting to see how how Notre Dame plays this thing because they had some success this year I don't know how much they spend in the portal but it's going to come to a point in time Ocho you're going to have to you got to do what you got to do it's really that simple Ocho you got to do what you got to do you got to put your money where your mouth is

you got to put your money where your mouth is and You got to put your money where your mouth is. And these big-time programs, they got $15, $20 million, you know, $15, $20, $25 million. Hey, I need a quarterback. It's going to cost me $1 million to $2 million. I need a top running back. That's going to cost me $400 to $600. Top flight receiver, $60 million.

Hey, D. Lyman, linebacker. Hey, bro. It's going to cost. Oh, you're talking about an 18, 19-year-old coach that's going to have $600, $700, a million dollars. Out the gate. Being able to

secure your family, a head start in securing your family. Yes. A head start. Mama, hey, Dablin Projects, we ain't in the projects no more we ain't in section 8 no more mama

no mama we got three we about to get three four bedrooms with a garage and it's so funny how the landscape of the NFL

I mean NFL it's so funny how the landscape of collegiate football has changed especially for the power five schools especially when you have

certain boosters that are willing to spend to ensure that you can win. Everything is pay to play. Oh, Joe. Hey, baby. Leave that. They can leave that student athlete ish alone now.

And that's true that they stood a this pay for play. These guys making money now. Yeah. All that the student athletes and I'm going to get an education. OK, that'll be nice. That'll be nice if you get that along the way. Yeah. It's something nice to fall back on.

It's something nice to fall back on. But, hey, like this kid from Michigan that got $12.5 million. Hey, I have a question. Time out. Time out. Time out. Come on now. Are they exaggerating the numbers?

No. Is it really 10 to 12 million? He got some other perks, too. Who was that? What's the guy at Oracle? Larry Ellison? Yeah, Larry Ellison. Larry Ellison's wife.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. His wife went to Michigan, and so he chipped in. He's like, whatever it takes to get this kid, let's get him. See? You see what happens when you have alumni like that? Yeah. What is he, the third richest? I think he's the third richest man in the world now that's yeah what is he the third rich i think he's the third richest man in the world with 200 220 billion man was 12 was 12 million

dollars to him nothing so even if i did if i did 10 even if i did five percent if right that's like that's like that's like a hundred thousand that's like1,000 to me and you. $12 million to him is like $1,000 to you and I. Right, right. He ain't missing that. Not a chance. Because he wants to see his program or his wife's program succeed. But this is where we are now, Ocho. This student athlete bull jive, it's never been that.

It's always been that. But it was always hush hush. Okay. Hey, I get you this charger, this challenger, this scat pack, this,

you know, this, you know what I'm saying? Hey, the scat pack. I get you this SRT eight. I get you, you know,

I get you this L cat. You know what I'm saying? It was, it was that going on. It was the backwood deals. All of a sudden. Damn. How you. Bro. Y'all was It was the backwood deals. All of a sudden, damn. How y'all?

Bro, y'all was just at the project with us. How y'all in this three-bedroom cross town now? Yeah. Now, everything is above the board. Mm-hmm. And there ain't no more challenges. Guy's grabbing Ferraris and Lambo. You see what you do ahead?

Oh, but see, listen. You got to be one of them now. You got to be one of them. Yes. Yes. If you're one of them, you got to be one of them now. You got to be one of them. Yes. Yes. If you're one of them, you could already start your NFL career, and the image is if you've already made it, you got to be him. Yes.

So, you know, the top guys, they're going to be getting, you know, $3 million, $4 million a year. Arch Manning going to be making $4 million, $5 million. He probably done made $10 million, $11 million, Ocho. Already. going to be making four five million he's a mate he probably made 10 11 million dollars on show already and you know hey he come from you know cooper cooper ain't painting an eli but he ain't hurting nah ain't hurting at all you know i'm saying here he's stashing all his money and i just hope the guys that are getting this money they're getting very sound financial advice because that's taxes you're in that bracket you's taxes. You're in that bracket. You make over $400,000, you're in that bracket.

In that bracket, yeah. In that bracket, hey. So, in other words, you made $200,000. You didn't make $400,000, you made $200,000. Because Uncle Sam want his cut. Uncle Sam, the only guy that don't go to work and get half your money. Yeah. And he don't play, too. If he don't get it,

if he don't get it, if he don't get it, he gonna knock on your door down the line. Oh, he gonna get it. It's just a matter of fact when he get it. Because he already know what you got. Because they can see everything. Like, oh, you ain't got it like you used to have it, huh? Okay.

Oh, you know, interest. Because they put that compound interest on your ass. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, you can't pay. And guess what? We're going to just put interest on it ass yeah oh yeah oh you can't pay and guess what we're gonna just put the interest on it until you do pay it all back now they give you they when they owe you they give you a little bit of interest you owe them they compound that interest yeah so uh but congratulations to the Buckeyes you know you saw this uh Bryce

Bryce Harper was there he's a big Ohio State fan, two-time NL MVP. LeBron was there. A lot of the stars were out. It's kind of not my thing to go. Like I said, I don't really know anybody that's playing college football. I'm not a big – you know, I like college football, but, I mean, me going to a game, it's not like the NBA for me, Ocho. Like I said, if I had a friend, somebody had a son that's playing,

okay, yeah, I'd go check it out. Yeah, I'm a root for him. Yeah, yeah. Right. If, I mean, tonight, I mean, I would have loved, I would have loved

to go to the game. Obviously, I would have been able to watch Ryan Clark's son. I would have been able to watch him play. Actually, being able to watch Jeremiah Smith, it would have been nice

to watch him play. But just going to a game, you know, experience the atmosphere just to watch two players that I can watch at home on TV. I mean, is it? I love Colorado. If Colorado is the national championship game, I don't win. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. You know, just but. Yeah. Other than that. No, it was. Oh, Joe. Without any further ado, I'd like to welcome. Is he about to?

We're going to welcome DeMichael Jenkins. He's a Cesar, a real estate developer, investor, custom home designer, as well as chief operator, officer, and owner of 3D Vision. And unfortunately, Ocho, he was involved in a disgusting racial profiling act outside of his own home. And so welcome, Mikey. Congratulations to your Buckeyes. Well done.

I know you sell it. I'm surprised you got on your Buckeyes shirt. But congratulations to your Buckeyes, to you. And I think that's your wife? Yeah, yeah. Congratulations, ma'am. Thank you for joining us. Mikey, if you can, go back.

I know it was November, and here we are in late January. If you can recount the events as you remember, as vivid as you possibly can. Yeah, I can remember. It wasn't too long ago. I was leaving one of my real estate job sites in the inner city, wrapping it up for the day. It was about 5.15, took me about 45 minutes to get home. I'm proud to go home. Shannon, something I want you to know is when they say it's an affluent

neighborhood, it's one of the most wealthiest neighborhoods in Ohio. Wow, congrats. And my house is the best house in the neighborhood. That's what I'm talking about. Come on now. I designed it from scratch. I'm an architectural designer. I bought the land. I financed the land.

Designed it from scraps and i built it from the ground up uh using all my resources so proud to come home i'm pulling up checking out my christmas lights we just put up for the holiday season and uh there happens to be a lady in the driveway with two kids so i don't think nothing of it. Kids coming in and out of my house all the time. I got kids, got a family over here. I don't think nothing of it. I think she's looking for the front door. I say, hey, are you looking for somebody? She doesn't answer.

She then proceeds to go through the porch. So I'm like, okay, so she's probably coming over. So I pull in the driveway. I'm about to park and she rings the doorbell and comes to the front of the front porch and stops me and says, do you live here? And I said, yeah, I live here. She said, well, I don't think so.

So I said, well, what are you doing here? She says, I don't think you live here. Picks the kid up, drops the stroller, hops off the porch, starts running, and I hear screaming, yelling for help. At that point, now I'm in fear. I'm in fear because I know what we face as black men in America. So I rush to the garage,

park in the garage, come in the house. My wife's in the office. I said, babe, some white Caucasian lady, she just jumped off our front porch, screaming, yelling for help. I don't know if she's going to call the police. I'm pacing back and forth.

I don't know what's about to happen. 6 p.m. Regular day. We pacing back and forth I don't at this point I'm like I don't know what's about to happen she comes back before the police gets here

I don't want to go outside I don't want to go outside with them outside and the police pulls up and I don't know what's going to pop off if police pull up, altercation happen, anything could happen I know they're going to try to do it

so my wife's come outside and she just wants to figure out what's going on because she's in shock and I'll let her say how she ended up coming outside or whatnot. Okay, when he comes... Yeah, when he came home and he said, you know...

I was going to ask you. Oh, go ahead. He comes into the house. He says, babe, there's a white lady standing on my porch. She's running, yelling, screaming. I don't know what this is about. And so what's going through your mind

when he explains what he just encountered? I was in my office working and I'm confused. I'm not understanding what's going on. Like, what do you mean there's a white woman running screaming for help? Screaming for help for what? He's like, I don't know. And immediately my heart dropped. I'm like, walking and pacing back and forth.

Like, okay, just wait. Just wait. Okay. Well, what happened? Nothing. I was just pulling in the house. And I'm like, what is she screaming for? He's just fooling in the house. And I'm like, what is she screaming for? He's like, I don't know.

And I'm like, what? What? And I keep opening up the door because I feel like the police is going to come here. Somebody's about to come here. And I don't know what's going to happen. I don't even know what fully happened. I didn't hear anything. I'm in the house working.

So she go... And so I kept opening up the door and that's when I came out. So she called... So she did end up calling the police. She did end up calling the police. She did call the police.

Okay. So let me ask you a question. Now, this happened in November. The video just recently got released. What caused you guys to release... Because I'm glad this is on Ring Camera. Because you're absolutely right.

Had this not been captured on camera, on video, we already know the story that was going to be told and how it was going to be spun. But you guys had it on camera. What made you guys finally decide to release it? Well, I actually released the video in our community Facebook group. We have a community Facebook group,

about 500 or so people, and it... Ever since, I've been like, we've been shattered. We've been upset. We've been... It's so many different factors and so many different feelings. So many

different feelings. I picked a video in our community Facebook group to share what happened. And it took a lot for me to do that. And then we woke up and the video everywhere. You know, it's funny. It's one thing to experience racial profiling in public, you know, in public. I'm sure we all have stories where it happens in that setting. Well, for it to happen in your own home, I mean, it can be unsettling. It can be uncomfortable, especially when it comes to a place that you call a place

of peace. We can all get away from the outside world. Has that affected your sense of security and trust in the neighbors? And have you reconciled in any way with the neighbor who caused these issues? Of course there's a lack of trust.

Of course it makes us feel unwelcome and unsafe. We have two boys and he leaves our family. He protects our family. So to know that we can't go walk the dog or someone looking at us is what's going to happen.

It's a lot of weight. It's a lot of pain. And it's a lot of emotion. I can still hear you. And he it's a lot of emotion. I can see. And he's being sensitized to this. I still hear it in your voice. So, of course. Not once have we got... I thought the next day,

maybe there will be a flower at the door saying, not once has this person reached out to us to give us a sincere apology. Whoa, whoa. H-O-A-A? I reached out to H-O us a sincere apology. Whoa, whoa. H-O-A. I reached out to H-O-A immediately after it happened. Nobody say anything? Nope.

Immediately after it happened, I reached out. H-O-A ghosted me. Wow. For lack of better words. Can I ask you this? Prior to that night, prior to that incident, had you ever seen this woman prior to this incident?

I've been in the neighborhood for three years. I built the house from the ground up. I know the developers in the neighborhood. I lived in the front of the neighborhood while I built the house. I walked to the job site every day. So, have I seen her eye for eye? No.

I've walked by her house and seen them on the front porch. So she's. When they came, I didn't recognize. Go ahead, ma'am. Go ahead. I didn't recognize them, but we but I was going to say the 90 percent, 90 percent or more of the neighborhood is predominantly Caucasian. So we're one of one black family from the neighborhood and our house sits all the way in the back of the neighborhood and the people ride by and take pictures every day and there's a

lot of um publicity with our house so it's it it really was it it was shocking but they stay to in the neighborhood let me ask you this will you walk up and you ask, what can I help you with? And she says, is this your house? You say, yeah. And she says, I don't believe you. When someone tells you they're standing on your porch and they tell that's not their property and they tell you that this is not your property. What went through your mind when someone is standing on your porch and they say, well, you don't live here? Well, that's when I was battle tested as a black man, as a man that

had been in prison, that's, you know, had to transition and learn how to put pride and ego to the side and control your emotions. Okay. That's when I kicked in. That was the ultimate battle test because in my mind, I said,

the audacity. The audacity of her. That was in my mind, but I had to control my emotions in the moment because I knew where it could have escalated at. I'm thinking, well, what if she had a gun? Right.

Would she have been running or would I have been running? Is this a situation because now she said, well, you have to see it from my point of view. No, I don't need to see anything from your point of view

when you're standing, you know what, on my porch. But for her to say, well, you didn't say, well, I really live here. I live here. I don't have to identify myself.

This is mine. Why do I have to tell you who I am when you standing on my property? I mean, it's it's it's it's it took everything out of me, you know, not to get out of character. And especially when they came back, you know, she brought her husband back. He was real standoffish. I was I was scared to go outside. But I said, I mean, I was listening. I said, I can't let my wife sit out here with these people

what if the police pull up so you know I went outside and I just had to make my face known and I had to let them know I do live here a black man does live here I did build this house from the ground up I did design this house

I had to show my face and as soon as I came outside, you could tell they switched it all the way up. Let's get out of here. Let's go. They switched it all the way up. When the police arrived, what did the police say? Okay, what was the side of the story that they told the police? And then what did the police, what was the interaction once the authorities arrived? I hid in the house. I didn't talk to the police. I'm not about to come out there with them. Those police

might gun me down. So you let your wife... I hid in the house. So you let your wife handle it. I let her handle that. Okay, what... I made, I mean, I made a report. I made a police report. It was emotional to make a police report because we all know what happens when you call the police. So I had to think to myself, do I go outside and start? Do I let him come inside? Do I sit up? Do I stand down? Do I let my son be in here? How do I explain this to him? And even explaining and sharing that

this lady racially profiled as she ran from her house screaming. There's no telling what people can think. My son came home from work who's 17 and said, mom, what if I was taking out the trash? What if she had a gun? What are the, like, what's going on? Why are the police here? That's crazy. But I knew I had to make this report. And despite the difficulties of the situation you've been through, have you guys, or are you guys moving forward with reclaiming your sense of safety, being that it is home, and in any way, despite them not, you know, giving sincere apologies or letting you know that we welcome you here in our home, especially HOA and the neighbor themselves, do you still have hope and motivation to keep sharing your story from this point on for others that might encounter these situations and ways they can prevent things from happening and being able to de-escalate those situations?

100%. I have nothing against their family, but I grew up dealing with this all the time. We still have to live here. They live two streets open. We have to ride by each other's house. I'm okay with being cordial with riding by each other's house. I have no issue with that. The issue is getting a word out here and letting my situation and what I've been through

and what I overcome be inspiring to people in the world, people that look like me. So that's the space I'm in. And I'm thankful for God because I didn't ask for her to show up on my porch. This is God's movement here. This is God telling me that people need to hear your story. You need to inspire.

You need to tell people what's going on and use this so that hopefully this won't happen to the next person or the next person that comes across a caring situation they will know how to control their emotion because us as black men especially young black men we struggle with that we struggle with that impulse with that that acting we have we we think irrationally and we never think rationally so i'm here to inspire people um i'm a real estate developer i build houses from the ground up single family houses but i thought that moving into the most wealthiest neighborhood in ohio that this was the right thing to do, but maybe my focus needs to be building communities that's for us and by us so that we can inspire people that look like us. We can build a community that's for us. Can I ask you a question? You said something very interesting. You said she lives two streets

up from you. So you mean to tell me she went two streets out of her way to try to find out who lived in this home? Not on your street, not on your block, not next to you. Two streets. It's two streets up, but she's all the way north. We're all the way south. It's multimillion dollardollar houses back here. The lots are big, so it's two streets, but it's still, we could go 30 days, 60, 90 days without seeing each other. So she went out of her way.

Let me ask you this. She issued an apology. She also said that she reached out to you and tried to apologize multiple times, but she hasn't had a response from you. Has she tried to, did she try to apologize to you in person or was it through this video that

you guys have seen? She has not tried to apologize to us in person via phone, via knock at the door, via a phone call, via email. No, only the live videos. Now, apparently, if we were to believe what the report says, that this woman has a history going back as far as 2018 of creating these situations and then making herself out to be a victim.

Have you guys seen that? Have y'all seen any of those reports that's being circulated? I have not seen that. I have not seen. Can I have not seen it. Can I ask you this? I want to ask you this. Have you thought about, since your privacy, your security, have you thought about potentially even leaving that neighborhood

and going elsewhere? Or are you saying, nah, y'all not going to run us up out of our home? Well, 100%. I've been in Ohio my whole life, and I face racial discrimination at its highest peak. I'm a stereotype person, tattoos, dreadlocks. A man that's in the professional world, in the real estate development world, that you don't see too many minorities building multimillion-dollar homes. It doesn't happen here.

So we 100% have thought about moving to another state taking my talents elsewhere building a community to go on places where we could be surrounded by more people that look like us man so let me ask you a question what was your relationship with the neighborhood did you have any inner interaction with your neighbors like to the left of you in the front of you to the back of you what was what front of you, to the back of you? What's the neighborhood? Like I know you mentioned it's a very affluent neighborhood. There are wealthy people that live there.

You mentioned million-dollar homes. What's the relationship with you in the community other than with this said individual? So it's the wealthiest neighborhood. And they got a saying that once you reach a certain tax bracket, race doesn't matter. That's a lie. So it's a lie. But people say that. People say that.

So everybody out here, majority of people out here, they walk every day. They take pictures of our house. They say hi. You can ask people in the neighborhood. Those people are not friendly. They don't say hi. They don't take too many walks. They don't walk their dog.

They stay in their house. They are stand off. So the neighborhood is friendly. But I don't know about them. She said something very interesting. Go ahead. Go ahead, ma'am. I was just going to say we participate in community events.

And, you know, for the most part, the neighborhood is friendly. She posted videos after this happened and the neighbors brought it to us because they picked two and two together. So that's how we even found out that they knew about it. She mentioned to you as you was walking up, you have to see her point of view. She's walking her kids. It's late at night. If you're that afraid, why are you out at night walking your kids if you're as afraid as you say you are? Did that cross your mind?

If you say you're afraid, why are you out here in the dark by yourself? You're married. Your husband's not with you, and you got a small child. So it can't be that dangerous. You can't be that fearful of your life if you choose at night to walk a child. It's six o'clock in the evening. It gets dark early. But yeah, we thought about that.

Of course. I wouldn't be outside walking with no. Yeah. No. Not at all. Especially if you, you know, have been through things or whatever. Like I'm not walking at night, period. That's crazy.

It's as simple as that. And as soon as someone tell me that's their house, I'll bet they're off. Okay. You know, if you're scared and you walk, walk home, that's it. I don't know. I guess I just look at things differently. I've really never walked by somebody's house. Oh, you live here?

Definitely I'm not standing on somebody's porch and asking if this is their home. If they drive up, I'm in the neighborhood. I see somebody in the driveway or somebody on the porch. I throw my hand up. I keep it moving. I'm not going to stand on someone's porch and ask them if they live here. That's none of my concern. That's just me.

Maybe I don't think I'm unique in that, guys. We ain't nosy like that, though. We ain't nosy like that. Man, we see somebody, man, we turn up the deuce, we say hello, and we keep it moving. The first thing we say, we see a nice house. Boy, that ain't nothing. I ain't saying it.

Right. And we keep it moving. Who it belong to, it ain't nothing. I ain't saying it. And we keep it moving. Who it belong to, it ain't our business. You mentioned that you have a 17-year-old son and as Black, we have to have that conversation with our Black young men. It's that we

always, always, yes sir, no sir. It's yes ma'am, no ma'am. When you get pulled over, look, hey, just be as polite as you possibly can because your job is to get that man or that woman to your car, back to their car and on their way as quick as you possibly can. It's not about, you know, all this and all that. We'll fight it in court, whatever it is. If they said I was speeding, if I was improper lane change, I don't have a taillight or what erratic driving.

Let's go to court. We could argue it in front of a judge in front of 12 people i i can't argue i gotta have you make it home but have you had to have that talk with him have you had it already or did you have to have that talk with him immediately after this incident absolutely absolutely it was it was emotional and you know it was multiple talk it was multiple talks and even where it's like, you know what, I don't know if you should go outside and walk our dog. Let me see. Make sure you go out before it gets dark. It's a lot of weight. It's a lot of overwhelming support from social media, though. I mean, everybody's been on your side. The social media has come to your defense. And the way you handle it, and you mentioned your situation, having made some decisions in your previous, when you were younger,

and you learned and you said, look, I got to channel this. I'm not going to give them the ability that says I'm angry. And I have every right to be angry because I'm in debt. i'm in the right here but nobody cares about that because all they're going to look as you as a black man look at your history and bring that into the equation when it had nothing to do with this woman standing on your porch exactly if you could yeah people people gonna watch this this is gonna get picked up

if you could say if what would you want people to know about you your family and how you handled this situation i'm a black man in america um that's overcame every obstacle uh that could be thrown at you um growing up making bad decisions uh being around the wrong people and being given a second chance to transition um raising a family being married my 17 year old um i've been there since he was six months this is this is this is my it's it's my son, but he's not my biological. I've raised him as he's my son. I have an eight-year-old as well. I'm here to inspire people, to show people that control your emotion.

Control your emotion. That's one of the most powerful things that a man can do. because a dangerous man is a man that can't control his emotion. So a situation like this that's broadcasted across the world, you can see that I was given every single reason to act. And I still control my emotions. So I want to use this moment, these platforms to inspire people, lead people, and to show them what a real man is and what a real man is supposed to do.

You take care of your family, protect your family, control your emotions, and that's what we're here to do. And also, build communities. I want to build houses from the ground up. I want to build communities. I want to design high-end luxury homes.

These are things that I want to do that I got a passion for that. It's in my bloodline. Custom home builds. My grandpa was a custom home designer and builder. These are things that I want to take to the next level and be known for and show people that in the real estate industry that we can strive, we can survive, and we can do what they do.

And even better. So that's what I'm here for. Do you have a sense or when or if you will ever get your normalcy back because your life has been interrupted? You didn't ask for this. But as you mentioned before, God don't put on any more of this than what we can handle. He chose you. He chose you for a reason. And the way you handled yourself in that situation,

I'm not so sure a lot of us, because she went out of her way. She had no business on your porch to begin with. If she didn't think you lived there, she could ask that question from the street. You don't bring your tail on someone else's front porch and then ask them, that's not your place. I can see if you were at her house and you're asking for direction. You're like, are you lost?

Do you need help? She's in your, she's on your property. Did you think about pressing charges for trespassing? We did. And they, they threw it under the rug. They filed a police report. That wasn't nothing that we told them. We asked for the police report.

They never gave it to us. We had to track them down and get the police report and looked at it. It was vague. We thought about pressing charges. We did all that. I thought she gave me every right. She's on my property. That's self-defense.

I could have gunned them down. But I had to hold my composure as a man. For my family. Because even though it was self, it could have been self-defense, not for a black man, not for us. Wow.

Michael, thank you for sharing your story with us. Um, we really appreciate it. You handled that thing very well, uh, to your wife. What's your name,

ma'am? Uh, you and the Michael handled it very, very well. I'm not so sure very many people would have handled it with the class and with the poise that you did. You did everything right. And even though you did everything right, it seems like everything has gone wrong. She was wrong for coming onto your property. The authorities seem to be wrong for how they've handled this situation. Hopefully you get the clarity.

You get the judgment, the respect that you deserve in this situation because you did everything right. And seemingly as of right now, things have gone wrong. Hopefully the Nightcap family, everybody that's in this chat, we're praying for you

that you get your sense of peace. You get your sense of normalcy and you get everything that you deserve back tenfold because just talking to you, you're a good man. Really, you're a good woman. Y'all are a great family. Yes. And you're doing the right thing. So I tip my hat to you for the way you handled this situation and continue to be blessed.

God's going to continue to bless you because you're a good man and you do great things for the community. And I want to thank you, Ocho and I, Nightcap family, want to thank you for sharing your story with us. We greatly, greatly appreciate it. This is going to go out and you're going to get an outpouring of support.

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Guys, Ocho and I, we try to tell you when we started this, our job was to inform you, to educate you, to entertain you. And sometimes things is not about is not about entertainment. This is not entertaining for us. But we felt that we needed to bring this story. We need to give it even even more light. Yeah. And when I was approached about, you know, would you like to have this couple on? I said, absolutely. And I just told him, I said, look, we're coming on late. We're coming on after the game. And so they've been the second block. And they said, we don't care. We want to share this story. We want to share it on your platform. And so this is what we try to do.

I mean, yeah, we're a sports show, but we talk about sports. We talk about culture. We talk about finance. All we try to do is shed positive light some things are not a positive but we want to show you we want to show our community that good can come out of a situation like this and the way he handled it like i said ocho i don't know that very many people you standing on my front porch asking me do i live here i don't know who does but i just know you don't well you know what a lot a lot of times huh you have think about it, especially when it comes to home, when it comes to safety in someone's property. Most of the time they meet fire with fire.

Yes. They're not really that well, that well trained or versed in de-escalating situations. Like also another problem that most of us have is we love challenging authority because we know our rights you know instead of having the mindset well i i tell my kids all the time you have the mindset you want to go home exactly your end goal whether you know all your rights well you know everything i i don't care you want to go home at the end of the day that's it you know but i think if we get to a point where we understand that even though we know our rights we know everything and try to do everything by the book at the end of the day you want to get home to your family

black man white man black kid i mean whatever whatever it be. Learn to de-escalate situations. You don't always have to challenge authority because you want to show you're smart and you know this and you know that. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. I just want to get home to my kids and I'm going to go home to my family. That's it.

Ocho, sometimes you can be in the right and not be right. Yeah. He was in the right. Yeah. But. Yeah. He was in the right. Yeah. But he knows how this was going to play out. I don't believe he really, and I meant to ask him this and she said she shared it with a,

with a, with the Facebook community. Had she not had the lady not got on there and started lying and try to make it seem like she was the victim. They just wanted this to go away. They wanted to go back to their normal life. Right. She interrupted that.

She interrupted their peace and not for a good reason. They said she lived two streets to the North. They're in the back to the South. So you got to go out of your way. What it was Ocho, that big house. I know ain't no black man pulling over to this house.

Why you care? You ain't got to pay one bill. Not water, not gas, not light, not phone, not property tax or nothing. Why you care? Me, a part of me, Ocho, a part of me, a part of me, I understand that his normalcy and his peace and his safety

has been impacted, but I kind of don't want him to move. I think that's kind of what they want him to do. Because they mentioned that they might be one-on-one in that neighborhood. And they got the biggest lot in that neighborhood. And they kind of want him out. Nah, I ain't going nowhere. Y'all leave. I ain't going nowhere. This'all leave. I ain't going nowhere.

Uh-uh. This is mine. I bought this. And then they said they've been getting the runaround from the authorities. And HOA.

I don't know what HOA do anyway. They full of caca. They don't do nothing. That's just another way to get $150, $200, $300 a month. Yeah.

To do what? Hell, I can cut the grass myself at the front of the entrance. Hear y'all talking about. Y'all taking up $300 a month from everybody. And what y'all doing with that money? Like stay out for two, three weeks. Uh-huh. Man.

But I'm so glad that we're able to get uh britney and michael on he goes by mikey i'm glad we were able to get that family on nightcap this is what we try to do ocho and i we try to bring you know we try to whether it's stories like this or the samath elite or whatever the case may be we just try to give you uh the best show that we possibly can on a given night and uh this was supposed to be a very routine night. Talk about the national championship game. There's some other sports stories that's circulating, but when the opportunity,

and it just goes to show you Ocho, because the person reached out to me and there's like, Hey, uh, Hey, uh, I want to ask you something. I was like,

yeah, what's up? She's like, uh, would you like to have the couple on that you and ocho talked about there's like they they saw this they saw your story i was like really there's like yeah and they want they want to share it with you yeah i called ash i said ash guess what she's like what said, because she always

asked me, what? I said, you know, the couple we were talking about in that video last night, they want to come on and share the story. She's like, really? I was like, yeah. And you know, Ocho, like I said, we're on the East Coast. It's going to be late. They're in Ohio.

It's like, it doesn't matter. We want to come on. Yeah. And then we have it. So. I'm going to say, man, listen,

the story is inspiring, which we all also have to understand is situations like this have been going on for a very long time. Situations, situations like this

are going to continue to happen. So they're telling their story and also inspiring people and understanding his background and his history and how far he's coming, being able to transition and getting a second

chance that most of us aren't afforded can also prevent those that might get that one chance where it's in a situation where, you know, everybody ain't getting no second chance. Everybody ain't getting no second chance. So being able getting no second chance so being able to do diffuse situation to de-escalate situations and have your right state of mind you know in place when stuff like this happens you know maybe not to

this magnitude but in in in another scenario you you you got to be on point you got to be on point at all times so they're're going to test you now. Yeah. But I took a lot of a lot of from that, because like you said, he could have reacted in such a way that wasn't been wouldn't been beneficial to his family. And it definitely would have been beneficial to the woman that invaded his privacy and his his space. But I'm glad he handled the situation the way he handled it. So thank you, Mikey and Brittany, for sharing your story with us on Nightcap. And we wish you the best down the line. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode,

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