Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: OKC v Warriors, Lakers beat Spurs, Stephon Marbury, Boogie on Zion, BJ Armstrong

Episode Date: November 28, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to LeBron James and the Los Angeles Lakers defeating the San Antonio Spurs 119-101. Unc criticizes Victor Wembanyama's inability to affect the game from the post. Later, they react to Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and the Oklahoma City Thunder defeating Draymond Green and the Golden State Warriors 105-101 and much more!.03:13 - Show Start03:30 - Intro05:21 - OKC v Warriors13:10 - Lakers beat Spurs23:41 - Pat Riley on dynasty teams33:26 - Stephon Marbury40:38 - Ant had a lot to say47:22 - Boogie on Zion58:15 - BJ Armstrong(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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three assists, four blocks. He was sensational. And that's what they need, a big body, especially with Chet being out. But I like this team. They're really good. They're very young. All drafted players, with the exception of Lou Dort. I think Lou Dort

was at Houston at first. But you know, they got Hardenstein. They signed Hardenstein to be a free agency. They made the trade for... The guy was at Caruso. He was at Lakers, then went to Chicago. He's back. So they have two guys on the wing that are defensive presence.

The Williams... Jalen Williams. He can flat out shoot it. Isaiah Jokic shoots the three. But everything is centered around Shea Gildress. And he was sensational again tonight. Boy, I know the Clippers are kicking themselves in the butt. Because they traded him. Yeah.

They traded him, Golinari, and a lot of unprotected lottery picks. And they got a lot of pick swaps, and they traded him to get Paul George. Yeah. And they didn't win a championship, and Kawhi's been injured. And so ain't no way around it. Okay, so you won. But the thing is, it's one thing, Ocho, to have draft picks, but what are you going to do with them?

Yeah. If you look at the way they've drafted, they've hit. And this is a young team, and they got some veteran presence. I love the Harden Steel Edition. I love the Caruso Edition. It's going to be very interesting to see how this thing plays out. But I'm liking what I'm seeing for the Thunder. What did you like about tonight?

I know they didn't have Golden State, didn't have Steph. They have Steph, yeah. I mean, listen, it was a good game. I mean, SGA is, as you just said, as advertised, he is just that. His last five or eight games, he's averaged 30, goddamn 30 points a game. Tonight's game, I think if the warriors had a second score out there obviously with steph being out uh the game they might have had a chance to win the game i think it's a bad

win for okc i excuse me for saying this but there's no reason that the game should have been this close without steph playing um other than i mean it was a good game but both teams play good it's always a dog fight anytime the goddamn thunder and warriors meet up it's uh okay it's a it's a game of runs and so with the way the team can shoot the three ball there's really no lead safe uh you know there are times i mean you used to watch the nba when the three wasn't as prevalent as it is and teams could could come back from a 20 points deficit but if you get down by 20 points in the first quarter the first half that ain't nothing the guy you you have a team come down and hit a couple of threes you turn it over a couple of times and a 20 point lead all of a sudden is eight with under two minutes and teams can go on runs we've seen teams go and run 20-0

runs 25 to two runs, 30 to eight runs. And the next thing you know, you were down by 20. All of a sudden, you're up two to four. And so I'm really not surprised. Team's going to play harder. And the one thing about Golden State you can say, they're going to play hard. Draymond was there.

He made some, you know, he had a block, a steal. He did his thing. He didn't shoot the three ball well, but I like the confidence that he's showing by taking that shot because the years past he missed a couple of them he's like nah i can't shoot this but he's still he's still shooting even without hesitation although he was two of eight tonight they didn't i mean they were 16 or 50 they got up 53 uh buddy hill did what buddy hill does he comes off the bench lighten it up he had 17 um But this game was about SGA. They don't really have anybody. Andrew Wiggins tried his hand. Kaminga tried his hand.

Pozinski tried his hand, but that didn't work. I mean, look, what you want to do? I mean, the guy's an all-star for a reason. He's an all-NBA player for a reason. You just want to try to neutralize him somewhat, Ocho. You're not going to stop him, but just keep him from getting his average.

You know, he averaged 30 last year. So we're not surprised that he's scoring 30 now. But if you're going to have a chance to beat this team, you're going to have to keep him under that. Because if you let him get his numbers, what have you actually done? Nothing. Nothing. But that's the funny thing about it he can score from anywhere on the feet any anyone on the court he can score from anyone ice a ball he give me he give me what you want off the pick he give me what he can pull up yeah i mean shit he do every goddamn thing so we even even when you talk about neutralize them,

there's really nothing you could do. Nothing we do, except you want to make it one dimensional where if you're going to lose, it ain't going to be from nobody else except the best player on that goddamn court. Yeah. You got to make it as difficult as you possibly can. I mean,

you look, uh, he was three or 12, but he hit the most important one, which was a step back three. Um, so you, you got him shooting under 50%. He was 13 to 28. So you made it, he was three or 12, but he hit the most important one, which was a step back three. So you got him shooting under 50%. He was 13 to 28. So you made it.

I mean, to get 35 points, he had to take 28 shots. So he wasn't as efficient. He didn't shoot the free throw well. He was six or 10 from the free throw. He was three or 12 from the three. You made it difficult on him. But the thing about a great player, he might struggle, but when it matters the most,

he's going to find a way to put the ball in the basket and that's what and that's what all the greats have been able to do that's what makes them great that's what sets them apart is that they can be having a crappy game but in the blink of an eye they can turn it on Ocho and go get and and the final seven eight minutes of ball game go get you 10 10 to 12. And that's the mark of a great player. But I think Shea is probably only like 25, 24, 25 years of age. Oh, man. So he's only going to get – he hasn't even hit his prime yet. If they say to NBA your prime is 27, 28, he ain't even close to that. He's not even close to that.

This team can build. They got a bunch of young, young players that's only going to get better. They're together. I think they sincerely, genuinely like each other because a lot of them is in close proximity same age so they have a lot of the same they probably like a lot of the same thing oh so you know they like to scream they play video games or whatever whatever hell 24 25 l.a. been 24 25 30 years so yeah so i don't i don't I have no idea what those guys that age do. Obviously, you know, they take the game of basketball serious.

And I like to see that. I like to see young teams because a lot of times when teams lose and they blame youth, they blame age. Now, these guys, even you look at Houston, you look at those young guys. I saw Jalen Green go off again. 41 points. They beat the Sixers in overtime. But I love what I'm seeing with OKC.

I love what I'm seeing. Like I said, Steph was out. It had been a very interesting game that he played. But OKC, congratulations. You win the game. I think they play the Lakers on Friday, in-season tournament game and this is going to have a huge repercussion because they might have the same record they uh

if the lakers beat them the lakers will be three and one but the problem that they have they lost by so many point differential will come into play if you have the same record as someone else now obviously if you win all your games it's a mootot point and you're undefeated. But if you share the same record, now we got to bring point differential. And the Lakers were plus 11. Well, they lost by 27 last night, so now they're minus 16. Dang.

Yeah. So it's not looking good for the Lakers in the end season and defending their end season tournament. So, hey, we'll see how that goes. The Lakers beat the Spurs 119-101. LeBron James had a triple-double, his sixth triple-double of the season. He had five all of last year. The Lakers against team with winning records are 4-6.

Lakers against team with losing records are 7-1. Look, finally they played a third quarter, Ocho. Yeah. If you go back and look at the Lakers, look at the Lakers when they played Denver. I think Denver outscored them like 75-21 in the second half. Yeah. They had a 7-8 point lead at the half,

and the next thing you know, they don't guard, so it's a layup line. They. They had a seven, eight-point lead at the half, and the next thing you know, they don't guard, so it's a layup line. They don't defend the three. It's a shoot-around three-fest for the opposing team, and we saw the same thing happen last night.

Guys driving all the way. Ain't nobody stopping nobody. Everybody pointing. No, you get your ass over there and stop it. Yeah. Stop trying to take the easy man out. Hey, get. No, bro, that's you. Because every time I go get him. Stop trying to take the easy man out. Hey, get, no, bro,

that's you. Because every time I go get him, people gonna think that's my man, that I got beat. But I like the way they played tonight. They got really balanced scoring. They had seven guys in double figures. Anthony Davis, 19, quiet night. He only took 14 shots, but he had

19 points, 14 rebounds, seven assists on the block. LeBron, as we mentioned, a triple-double, 16 points, 14 rebounds, 7 assists on the block. LeBron, as we mentioned, a triple-double, 16 points, 11 rebounds. No, 11 assists, 10 rebounds. Rui had 16. Austin Reeves had 13. The best move of the night, they reinserted Dalton Kinnett into the starting lineup, and they let Rui come off the bench. Rui started, and that means Cam Reddish came off the bench

because they had made a switch. They took D-Lo Rui started, and that means Cam Reddish came off the bench because they had, you know, made a switch. They took D'Lo out of the starting lineup, put Cam Reddish in. They leave Hachimura in, and they take Cam out, and they put Kinnett back in. Kinnett is unbelievable because he can space the floor. You got 17 from D'Lo, and you got 12 from Max Christie. And again, Gabe Gibson got great cardio in. Yeah. Hey, you know

the Lakers, the Lakers, AD, I'm going to just say with AD and LeBron, who are supposed to be the leaders and supposed to obviously be your best two players. With them tonight, you know, both of them having a slow start. I mean, this was really good. I'm not sure if JJ did this purposely with the lineup, but he had

the lineup that he had tonight. They were able to shoulder the offensive load with a slow start from A.D. and LeBron. Well, A.D. didn't have that many shots. Normally, A.D. was shooting like, he's been shooting very well. He's shooting 56% from the floor. Right. But 14 shots, you're not going to do much. So I can live with that.

LeBron had another uh he didn't shoot the ball well tonight he was 0-2 from three the thing that i like the most tells me wasn't aggressive as he needed to be because he shot zero free throws so that was he telling that's telling me he wasn't as aggressive as he needed to be i like the lakers they were 10 for 10 from the free throw line now had it been 10 for 10 from the free throw line the other night, they wouldn't have lost to Orlando. But in the last 30 seconds, they missed four of six and got Wagner, hit a step back three, and they ended up losing the game.

But I like this. I like the balance scoring, Ocho. They shot 53% from the floor. They shot 38% from the three, 100% from the free throw line. They're still turning the ball over a little bit too much, especially LeBron. LeBron right now is averaging probably about five turnovers a game. He's They're still turning the ball over a little bit too much, especially LeBron. LeBron right now is averaging probably about five turnovers a game.

He's been real sloppy with the ball. In order for you to go far, you can't turn it over. You pay double for turnovers. Just like in football, you turn the ball over, you're going to get runouts. So you think J.D. is going to stick with his lineup? I do. With the way they perform, even though

A.D. and LeBron had a slow start, hell, the goddamn, not only the bench, but the lineup that he did have in there, they showed the offensive load because A.D. and LeBron had such a slow start. They got off to a slow start. They started off, San Antonio had a 9-2 lead. The next thing you know, the Lakers take over the ballgame, and they don't look back from that point. Because you got Kinnick, he's their best shooter. He's a guy that can take the three.

And when he takes the three, you expect him to go in. He's built up that kind of cachet. The other guys are streaky three-point shooters. Austin Reed's not a great three-point shooter, but he's streaky. LeBron is streaky. Ruid is streaky. Of all these guys, they don't have pure three-point shooters, like a Klay, like a Steph, like a Buddy Hill,

and guys like that that shoot the three. But you have to put so much emphasis on it because everybody's shooting it. That's why you see the Lakers. The Lakers got up 34 of them, even though you're like, hopefully we can make 13, hopefully we can make 14. Right. But I thought they did a great job uh wimby uh connect had 20 points he had eight rebounds he got some ups the thing that i love about him he just doesn't

settle if you run him off the three-point line he'll put the ball on the floor get to the mid range he can finish all the way at the rim he got nice ups um lebron is doing a great job of finding him sneaking baseline um lebron is hitting for a couple of lobs this year so i like him he's more athletic than you think right um but he could really he could really shoot the basketball on the spur side you know they got they got some you know look wimpy is the guy but he didn't he was nine of 20 tonight he was two or nine from the three i think sometimes bro it's seven four and a half man get your ass down on the block stop shooting all them threes i just because you can shoot him just because you can make him i don't think he should live by that and i think the thing is look he's gonna have to he's gonna have to put on some weight all that damn cooking all the uh uh mexican

food that they got down there soul kitchen the soul food they got in San Antonio, get you in a couple of these restaurants and get some biscuits and some tacos and burritos and some hog maws and all that and put some weight on you. Nine or 20, some churros. They got churros. That's ashy neck of the woods.

But... Chuck? Oh, Charles Markley. Okay. Yeah, I just think, just think look i think he's gonna be really good i mean a guy that high that size that height he's not signed that height right can move he can shoot the three but sometimes bro he shot zero at seven four and a half you shot zero free throws yeah zero you know you you gotta you gotta too, what he's comfortable with. You know, you might want him to play in the post with his back to the basket, but maybe tonight just wasn't it.

Maybe tonight just wasn't it. For him, if his outside game, mid-range, three-point, is where he feels comfortable and he's not hitting those shots, then that got a call got to come from inside the house on the bench. Hey, get your ass down in the post, run plays for him to be down in the post with his back against the basket. If that's the case, so from the outside looking in, hell, the coach needs to say something.

If anything, if you're missing your shots, what do they tell a shooter? Keep on shooting. Yeah, but he ain't no shooter. You don't think so? Hell no. No, that ain't what he is. Steph's a shooter. Dame Lillard, Clay Thompson, Buddy Hill, those are shooters.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Listen, he's not that bad. He's not that, that, that, that bad at the mid range of the three. He can shoot both of them. People now, if you shoot 35%, they feel like I should have the green light to take 10. Okay, you

make 35%, but you send four. You get down on the block, you're going to get five or you're going to shoot 55% from the floor. That's my thing. It's not like Steph can post up. That's not Steph's game. But Steph, if you run him off the three and he doesn't feel comfortable

with the sidestep, he'll go all the way to the basket. He ain't going to play above the rim, but he got a nice float game. Trey Young, nice float game. Dame, nice float game. So you got to have a package. You got to do more than one thing in order to be really good

or to be great in this league. He's supposed to be great. He can rebound the basketball. He can block shots. I mean, there are a lot of times guys are very hesitant to shoot the ball when he's in the vicinity.

They'll pass it back out because they don't want him to throw their shot into the fourth row. So they're very hesitant to try him at the rim he also knows that i'm gonna get dunked on some but i'm gonna get more than y'all get me and i'm gonna make you guys hesitant i'm not gonna be hesitant to try you but i'll make you

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Riley says he doesn't count the Spurs or the Warriors as NBA dynasty. There have been three dynasties in my mind. Boston in the 60s, Showtime Lakers, Michael Six in eight years three dynasties in my mind. Boston in the 60s, Showtime Lakers. Michael, six and eight years was dynastic without a doubt. I don't know if there's one now. Wait a minute.

You don't count four and six years of the dynasty? I mean, I would think so. I mean, it depends on what Pat Riley's criteria is. Maybe his criteria is different than everybody else's. I mean, first of all what Pat Riley's criteria is. Maybe his criteria is different than everybody else's. I mean, what could it possibly be? Ocho, in the 60s, when the Celtics won, they had eight teams. They had eight teams. Right.

Now, and from the beginning, they had seven Hall of Famers. At one point in time, 11 of their 12, 13 players were Hall of Famers. Yeah. So I would like to think that you should when, you know, they won eight in a row. Right. Damn. But, I mean, how is that not, I mean, the Lakers won five in nine years. Four and six years is not a dynasty.

So if the Lakers, if Golden State won another, that means they've won five in nine years. So I'm just, I'm confused. Yeah. I mean, we got to, Ocho. Yeah. I'm an old head too, Ocho. You know, look, I love, I love the era that I played in. I'm protective of it.

But I also give credit where credit's due. It's okay to give these new teams credit. That doesn't diminish what you did in the 80s. That doesn't diminish the Celtics in the 60s. That doesn't diminish the Celtics in the 60s. That doesn't diminish Mike. They did that. But what? So if somebody don't win six, they can't be at the soul. Somebody don't win six

in that year. Oh man, there ain't no dynasty. Right. Come on, bro. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't make any sense. Obviously being an old head and having a difference in opinion when it comes to the criteria on what he feels a dynasty is, there's a complete disconnect. From today's game as opposed to the game back in the day.

Let me ask you this. So the Celtics say if you don't win eight in a row, you're not a dynasty. Shit. Thank you. That's not happening. That's not happening. To be able to keep a team's core players together long enough to even win eight is damn near impossible. And again, if the game of basketball is different today anyway, it's completely different.

So the chance of doing that is also impossible. And I might be wrong. And if I'm wrong, please correct me. The game of basketball was a little different. I don't want to say easier. I'm not saying a little easier. But as opposed to the players today and how much more skilled and more athletic they are, it's a little bit more different. They can shoot the ball better. As opposed to how they was doing back then.

You didn't have centers that could shoot the ball like these guys can shoot the ball now. And that's okay. There was no was no 16 guys like Anthony Davis there was no guy like Joel Embiid there's no guy like Nikola Jokic and that's okay that's not to diminish those guys those guys were great but the guys the skill there are more guys that are able to do more things than they were back then and don't give me that what they didn't do it things than they were back then. And don't give me that, well, they didn't do it. Well, if they could, they would have done it.

They would have done it. That's the thing. That's what, when Jordan, he realized, like, you know what? I'm flying through the air. But if I want to expand my game, I got to get this mid-range. So he worked on that. If guys could really shoot the three, they'd worked on it and they got good at it. Like these guys have.

I mean, there are not very many bigs that can't shoot the three ball in today's game. Mocho. Right. It's almost a, it's almost a prerequisite. You've got to look at all your bigs. Look at all your great big.

I'm talking about the same like your kitchen and bead Anthony Davis. They can shoot it. Yeah. Even Kevin and Rand's not a five, Look at all your great bigs. I'm talking about the series like Jokic and Embiid, Anthony Davis. They can shoot it. Even Kevin Durant's not a five, but Kevin Durant's 16 and a half, 6'11". He can shoot it. I just don't like the fact that we don't want to give these guys credit. Yes, the league is different. Y'all didn't want to. Look at the attendance with all they did was fight. Look at

the attendance in the 90s with all them hard-ass fouls. Nobody wanted that. People like scoring. As much as y'all complain, that's what y'all want to see. Y'all ain't bet nobody. I ain't never seen nobody parlay where they said, hold this team under 90 points.

Or defense. No, y'all want scoring. Y'all want touchdowns. You want home runs. You want threes. And then when the league gives it to you, it is what it is. Look, I understand the game is different. I understand that they've legislated

a lot of physicality out of the game of basketball, out of the game of football. I understand that, Ocho, and we understand why in football. Right. With the lawsuits, the concussions, the guys being leaving the game and a lot of them being injured, we get it. Yeah.

But isn't that what you wanted? Who wants to go to a game and see what they used to see in the 90s? F-ing 73-71. The entire game, that was the final score. Right. You know nobody want to, that was the final score. Right. You know nobody want to see that. Just like baseball. Oh, a 1-0 ball game, the purest. Man, I want to

see 10, 11-10. I want to see home runs. Yes. I want to see the ball go over. I want to see the ball flying over the wall. I want to see a bunch of up and down. Look, I ain't saying I want to see the NBA All-Star game. I don't want to see that bull jive and down. Look, I ain't saying I want to see the NBA All-Star game. I don't want to see that bull jive.

Right, right, right, right. But I do want to see teams get up and down. I want to see a game that get into the hundreds. Mm-hmm. But I disagree with Pat Riley. Pat Riley also said that he could have won up to six championships if LeBron had stayed. Okay.

Yeah, had you gotten some help. I can agree with that. LeBron had stayed. Okay. Yeah. Had you gotten some help. I can agree with that. LeBron had stayed. D-Wade was there. But D-Wade had started to break down. D-Wade's a little older. Remember, D-Wade had bad needs coming into it. And for him to get as many years as he did,

it lets you know how well he had taken care of his body. Right. But at his age, you got to realize to realize d way went to school three years so he's already three to four years older than lebron so when he gets in at that at that juncture d way came in in 2004 303 lebron was oh he was oh. So LeBron last year was what, 2013? So think about that. That's 13, that's 14 years. So he got in, he's damn near already about 36, 37.

Been in office for 14, lost to the person 14. So that's already 11 years. So if he's coming in, he's coming to the NBA, Ocho, at 23, 22, 23. So he at least 22,

at least 22. So now he's already 33. I still think they could have did it though. Hey, we got, we got LeBron. You had D Wade. What's, uh, what's a tall young bull name, man?

Oh, Chris Bosh? Yeah, Chris Bosh. But you got to remember, Ocho, the next year, he got those blood clots. Yeah. I mean, just hypothetically speaking, if he didn't have the issue with the blood clots, I think it's possible. But what's the likelihood? Because that's something that you can't factor in. He got the blood clots, and he really never played anymore after that.

D-Wade needs to start to get bulky on him. Ray Allen was older. Yeah, he could grow, but he had done – because we got to remember, when LeBron left, Ray retired. Didn't Ray retire? Ray retired. So he was done I think Rio didn't Rio end up tearing his ACL

I mean Ocho in order to win multiple championships a lot of things have to go right and that doesn't always happen and I get it because Pat look Pat tried to collect jewelry. Pat's the ring collector.

At this point of his career, the only thing that matters to him is rings. Rings, yeah. And he realized the likelihood of him ever getting – he loved Jimmy Butler, ain't LeBron. And the likelihood of him ever getting another one of those is not happening. Right. And he knows without that type of player is hard. It's hard to win.

Unless you got guys like you got a Jalen Brown, you got a Jason Tatum that you groomed, that you got together and they're okay with each other playing off of each other. One doesn't get mad. If somebody gets more credit or more pub and you don't have the bickering, that's why, that's why Kareem and magic, you got us big at a little, more pub, and you don't have the bickering. That's why Kareem and Magic

you got us big and a little. Hey, Cap, you been here how you wanted. Magic was always deferential to Kareem. Kobe and Shaq budded, tore it apart, and boom, prematurely it was gone. You look at Clay,

you look at Steph. Clay like, okay, I'll be the second or third greatest shooter ever. I'm cool with that. surely it was gone. You look at Clay, you look at Steph. Clay like, okay, I'll be the second or third greatest shooter ever. I'm cool with that. They stay together. They went four. Kyrie and LeBron, boom. Whatever happens, they start to butt.

Split it up. Yeah. So, a lot of times, Ocho, you got to swallow your pride you got to i started watching the dynasty today the story about the patriots right take a look at it it's good yeah all right let me check let me check that out check that out yeah it's very good stephan marbury on the goat debate how's lebron better than joe when he isn't better than kobe i'm trying to figure that out oh man oh man this is an ongoing debate it is and you're not

gonna settle it you got people in jordan's corner you got people in lebron but what i don't understand don't you let me let you go on this this is what i don't understand if you support lebron you getting paid so how much is jordan and kobe paying his supporters nobody will answer that right because if you say something you on clutch payroll so but when they say on kobe is kobe estate paying you are you getting free shoes are you getting free gear from jordan is jordan paying you that's all i want to know if y'all can answer that i'm cool right where you are on that debate if you say jordan if you say kobe if you say magic if you Is Jordan paying you? That's all I want to know. If y'all can answer that, I'm cool. Right. Where you are on that debate, if you say Jordan, if you say Kobe, if you say Magic, if you say Shaq, if you say Kareem, you say LeBron.

Right. More times than not, people are already dug in. It's kind of like the election. People had their mind made up. It was going to be President Trump. You're not moving them off that. Right. You're not. So why do. Right. You're not. So why do you waste your time?

I saw Jordan. I saw LeBron. I'm cool either way. I know who I feel. Right. And I'm good with it. I ain't losing no sleep over it. Mm-hmm.

But, man, it's very difficult when we talk about the greats, the elite and greats that are in a class of their own, especially when it comes to football. You know, your T.O.'s, your Randy Mosses, your Jerry Rices, you talk about your LeBrons, your goddamn Michael Jordans, your Kobe Bryants. I mean, these dudes are the cream of the crop at their respective crafts. And you have to nitpick and take a fine-tooth comb just to

be able to separate the two you know i mean or actually the three and in this case and i think it all comes down to preference i think it all does on huh jordan had the prettiest game you've ever seen you want to see somebody hang in the air right right he was the first guy that we really saw ocho that that connie hawkins could Ocho that Connie Hawkins could glide through the air Dr. J could glide through the air but when we really got when basketball really hit Magic and Jordan and then Jordan came along that got elevated flying through the air with his tongue hanging out I'm like okay he different yeah he different Yeah, he different. It's got to be the shoes. But then he had all the commercials.

He had the Haynes and he had the, yeah, Haynes. And he had the Air Jordan and he had Gatorade. And he had all, he was, he was it. He made dark skin cool good again. Because before him, Elder Barge and Chico the Barge and Al B. Sure, man, brother couldn't get no play. He couldn't get nothing. But then, look, you got Kobe who comes along,

young 17, 18-year-old who mimicked and idolized Jordan and took some of his mannerisms, that same mama mentality, that same killer instinct when it came to playing the game of basketball. Well, he give nobody no grace yeah no grace he had that same killer instinct you know out there on the court and

the mannerisms the movements the the style of play it was damn near the same right and then and then lebron shows up and that's why i say it's three different almost three different areas eras where they kind of kind of crossed and messed a little bit but and like i mean i don't know why we just enjoy all of them you know and not have to put them put them up against each other when it comes to who's the best at what they do yeah i mean um none of these guys had the expectations that LeBron had. Right. So Kobe got a chance just to blend in. 96, 97, 98, they happened. Kobe came off the bench.

LeBron never came off the bench. LeBron could have been a starter in the NBA in high school. That's how great he was. Jordan hit the floor. Jordan was running. Jordan was second team all NBA. He averaged 28 points a game. Jordan was running. Jordan was second team, all NBA. He averaged 28 points a game. He was sensational.

Right. But Jordan didn't have the expectations because we hadn't seen a guy come out. Kevin, the rep, Kevin, Kevin, Garnett was the high first high school player that had come out of straight

from high school in a very long time. Right. But even KG did not have the expectations what lebron had yeah it was dead whatever you thought lebron might be if you thought lebron lebron has exceeded expectations nobody thought he's a pass first when people say well look at how many times jordan shot the ball at least 22 times a game in his career look how how many times LeBron shot the ball 22 times a game in his career for a season. Like 12 or 13 of Jordan's 15 seasons, he shot the ball at least 22 times. Right.

So if you extrapolate that, now here's LeBron. He's number one in points. He's top five in assists. You're never going to see that again. You're never going to see that again. You're never going to see that again. Right. So there is compelling arguments that you can make for whoever you decide.

But that's Stephon Marbury's opinion. He, look, I don't think he's very fond of LeBron. That's okay. that's okay that's okay like i said i like i look everybody know y'all just saw me on whatnot selling about 300 pairs of shoes and damn they're 250 of them with jordan so y'all know what i feel about jordan and i got a boatload a bunch of cobas that i don't even know if I'm going to get rid of those. But it's just, it's all, it's a preference. But the question is,

if Colby hadn't, if Body hadn't broken down, y'all think Colby would have stopped at 20 years or he kept playing, don't y'all? Kept playing. If Jordan Body hadn't broken down, do you think he'd have stopped at 15 seasons or he'd playing Ocho? Kept playing. If Jordan's body hadn't broken down, do you think he'd have stopped at 15 seasons or he kept playing? Kept playing. Thank you. Kept playing. Don't get mad at LeBron

because LeBron took care of himself and his body hadn't betrayed him yet. Kobe took care of himself, but he started having, you know, he had the Achilles injury. At that age, at that juncture of your career, Ocho, you get one of those, man. Yeah. You don't borrow time, bro.

But he had Torres Labrum. You know, it was just the wear and tear. Too much. You know, because Kobe was going to the NBA finals, and they had long seasons, and his body just broke down. Jordan going to get his cigars in. If Jordan going to get on them sticks hard. If Jordan had them one bad age,

the baby lasted two, three days. He probably going through three or four of a day. But look, if you like Jordan, I ain't going to fight you. If you like Kobe, I ain't going to fight you. If you like LeBron, welcome home. fight you. If you like LeBron, welcome home. But if you don't like LeBron, I don't dislike you. Right.

It's just a preference. Anthony Edwards had a lot to say this evening, though, Joe. Said he feels like the team is growing apart, that they can't talk to each other anymore. It's everyone. He's not singling out the newbies, since everyone has their own agendas right now. And we got to look up everybody's chair, effing hype.

We get down and don't nobody say nothing. That's the definition of front running. We're a team, including myself. We're all front runners tonight. It was some bull jive for sure. You know, all teams go through this. Everybody go through this every once in a while.

And it's still early in the season. If you're going to have a time like this, the first thing you got to do is, hey, are you the captain? I'm sure you're the captain or one of the leaders of the team. Hey, call the goddamn team meeting. Call the goddamn team meeting.

Listen, man, we can't rock like this if not if we trying to reach the end goal before the season started we know what the end goal is but we can't be operating like this not this early see y'all better get it together yeah I agree

it's just tough Ocho because now you have expectation you went to the Western Conference Finals last year but what I don't have expectation. You went to the Western Conference Finals last year. But what I don't get is that you went to the Western Conference Finals and you trade your second best player. Ah. There's something that we don't know that he and Cat, I thought he and Cat,

when I sat down with Cat, he had a great, he talked about they have a great relationship. You don't really know, Ocho. Unless you're in that locker room, you really don't know. But I have no reason to believe that Cat was lying. Right. You like Julius? I don't know if he's as good a fit as Cat.

Right. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I don't like him with Cat. I don't like him with Kat. I don't like Julius with Kat. Right.

Like I like Kat with Ant. Okay. I see. I see. That's what I meant to say. I don't like Ant with Julius like I did Ant with Kat. With Kat. Okay.

But Ant, you got expectations now. And sometimes the hardest thing is to overcome the expectations. You see, when you weren't doing anything, y'all missed the playoffs and you weren't going very far, now you have expectations. People expect you to be great. That's the hardest thing. That's what people don't understand about greatness,

is that once you reach that level, it's to stay there. You see, a lot of guys go to a Pro Bowl one year, be an All-Pro one year. But can you do it year after year? Year after year. Game after game. Month after month. That's what's so spectacular is that you have this.

I mean, Tom Brady got there and he stayed there. Peyton Manning got there and he stayed there. Mahomes, since he's been a starter, has been there. Right. And you look at the other greats. You look at a J.J. Watt. You look at a T.J. Watt. You look at these guys. The Reggie Wives, the Deons, the Jerrys.

Now, obviously, once you start getting later and later, you're not going to be what you were. Ocho, you know, year five, and here you are year 14, 15. Quarterbacks can, but it gets harder and harder for skilled position players. Like I said, Jerry's an anomaly. Jerry played 20 seasons. Jerry's an anomaly. Jerry played 20 seasons. Jerry's an anomaly, Ocho. Right.

You're not going to find another Jerry Rice, a guy that has over 1,200 yards at 40-plus. That ain't happening. At 42, he had a 100-yard game, Ocho. Can you imagine? Yeah. Hey. He's the GO goat for a reason

and the thing is though Ocho is that you get to the Western Conference Finals with Cat and Ant and you move Cat I mean listen that might have been something internally and it just never ever

got out you know they kept it under wraps Cat maybe voiced his frustrations. You know, they kept it under wraps. Cat maybe voiced his frustrations about being there. And they made it happen. Look, Leon Rose used to be at CAA. Now he's running here in World Wide West. They're running the Knicks. That was Cat's first agent, I think, if I'm not mistaken.

Right. So, obviously, Cat's from the Jersey area. That's great. I mean, they could have traded him to a worse place. But in talking to him, he wanted to build on what they had started. You know, like, okay, I got here. We were bad at first. But now we got, you know, we got Ant. We got a superstar to pair alongside with me, we can go places.

You know, Mike Conley orchestrating everything. You got Rudy, you got Daniels. You got some nice pieces, Ocho. Naz Reed coming off the bench. I'm surprised that they made that move considering how far they got the previous year. So you don't you don't think you don't think you don't think their chances of making the Western Cup final are good? Having Julius? No.

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That was bad then. New Orleans is a place that just gives help. That's the place that you go to gain 10 pounds. You go out there, drink, have a good time. That's what the culture is in New Orleans. So to put that kid in a situation like they expect him to thrive, that was the first mistake. Come on, the city had nothing to do with him playing 190 games over five.

Ocho. Yeah. So he's the city had nothing to do with him playing 190 games over five years. Ocho. So I'm not supposed to... He's the best talent in the draft. I'm not going to draft him because New Orleans is one of the fattest cities in the USA. But I'm not going to draft him because... Come on, boy.

Listen, we can't make no excuses now. Once you get drafted, you get your team of people that understand, that have your best interests at heart, and knowing what it takes for you to compete at a high level and live up to the expectations that you had coming out of college. It's pretty simple. It's not hard.

It's not rocket science. Take the game of basketball serious, like you've always taken it all your life, now that you've been afforded the opportunity to live out your childhood dream it's not that difficult we've seen a lot of players do it especially if you want to be great at what you do you want to be great he doesn't want to be great you want to play you want to play very very long not get your money doesn't and then fold he doesn't z Zion had the problem with what I told my kids. I can't want something more than you want it for yourself.

Everybody wants Zion to get in shape except Zion. Everybody wants Zion to have discipline except Zion. So how can I want something? How can the team want something? More for him than he wants it for himself. That's why they put in his contract. Look how they got in his contract. Look how they got it in his contract. That he has to hit weight clauses.

Because they know him. That's not the team's fault. That ain't got nothing to do with New Orleans. That's Zion. He has no discipline ass. That's all that comes down to, Ocho. Discipline requires you to do your very best when no one else is watching.

Doing what you need to do instead of what you want to do. I know I want to eat this gumbo. I want to eat this jambalaya. I want to eat this po' boy. I want to eat this etouffee, this boudin. But what I need to do

is to hire me a personal chef and eat fish and eat chicken and eat turkey and eat lean cuts of meat and eat veggies. But that's not what he needs. That's what he wants to do. So he eats that boudin.

And then everybody starts making excuses for him. He He just a big... People talk about, Shanna, look at an elephant. All he eat is grass. Yeah, but he eat 400 pounds over the day. That's why his ass big.

Yeah, look at a whale. Yeah, but you eat thousands and thousands of pounds of krill, you gonna be big. Yeah. Zion doesn't have discipline. Y'all got to stop making

excuses. A hundred million. Did you see what the money that Jason Tatum just got? Yeah. That could be Zion. His approach to the game is completely different. His approach to the game is completely different. He went in himself out of the league.

Well, I guess, you know, ask for a try with the Saints. Hell, they play left tackle, baby. He can play D-end. They don't give a damn how big you can get in the NFL. Yeah. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me turn this AC down, boy. I'm cold like shit.

Man, I don't get it. I don't chat. Y'all can't convince me. Now, y'all done made excuses, and I'm not trying to shame the man, but this is embarrassing. This is embarrassing. He don't care enough about the game, but y'all mad at me when I call him out and say he's undisciplined, that he's not trying.

Well, maybe stop. Yeah, y'all say let the kid eat, even though the man eating himself out of a job y'all sorry i i could see the guy that said that that tells me everything i need to know about you that says that says more about you than it tells about him let the you see a man sabotaging himself and you say let him continue down this. But then y'all quick to say, why the vest didn't pull him aside? Why didn't Shannon, why didn't you reach out? Why didn't you try to help? Because dumb-dumbs like you jump in the chat and say, let the man eat. Y'all the same ones that when AB was on that bull job, let that man live his life. Shannon,

you don't live yours. You don't know what you're talking about. Now look. It's embarrassing. I know. Think about what you said, Ailey. He's only 22, and he that big. What do big kids become? Big adults. what do big kids become big adults baby elephants are cute and cuddly what do they grow up to be big

Ocho this man somebody in the chat said let that man live his life another dude talking about he only 22 he that big at 22 how big is he going to be old he gonna be how big is he gonna be at 25 oh joe how big he gonna be at 30 what what about when you retire hey boy it's cold as hell in here boy my bad shit but see but see when when when when they always say we ain't have

nobody in the corner but the veterans. But when Betts tried to tell, listen, what people have tried to, I guarantee people in the locker room have tried to tell Zawiyar, bro, Ocho, I got somebody preparing my meals. I've had somebody prepare my meals for the last 10, 15 years. I don't make nearly the money. You mean to tell me you got almost a $200 million contract

and you can't pay $100,000 or $150,000 because I look at it as an investment? Ocho, you buy something for it. You invest in something. You expect that thing to pay huge dividends down the road. People bought Bitcoin for a little bit. Look at it now. People bought Apple, Google, Netflix, Navita.

Whatever the case may be, you invest a little, you at it now. People bought Apple, Google, Netflix, Navita, whatever the case may be. You invest a little, you get a lot. You mean to tell me I can't invest in me? You mean to tell me I can't invest in me? I can't spend a million dollars, I can't spend a million dollars, two million dollars to get 50, 70 million dollars a year in return?

Yeah, but listen, this is a case that we always talk about as a player, you have to want it for yourself. You can't want it more than him. So people, our room telling them coaches, telling them friends, telling them whether it be family,

telling them until he gets it through his mind in order for me to function at the best of my ability at the highest level, and remain one of the greats and live up to the expectations that we all thought he would be, he has to want to do it. We can't complain about it. I said Navita. I didn't say Nevada, Cassie. I said Navita, but okay. Yeah, but close.

I didn't say Nevada. I know I didn't say that uh i mean oh the guys missed 190 games in five seasons yeah 190 games that's damn near 40 games a season yeah but i know one thing out again yeah i know one thing what i know i know i know what he looked like and i know what you get once you're on that goddamn court, boy. Okay, when is he there, though? I know. I hear what you're saying, baby. I hear what you're saying.

That joker nice, boy. When he is playing, ain't no telling what he finna do. So is he a part-time or a full-time employee? Because I'm paying full-time wages, but I'm getting part-time work. Part-time? Hey, do you think Oh, I got a question for you, though. What do you think about them trading him?

If he was to go on the trading block, or if they are fed up with him not being healthy, not being available, where would you like to see him go? Because here's the thing. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, they're trading. It's going to be even worse if he gets his ass in shape, because why couldn't

you do it there? Ah. it's going to be even worse if he get his ass in shape because why couldn't you do it there ah that's that's that's a good one but i mean ocho they maybe maybe maybe maybe a change of scenery is necessary maybe it's something that he needs they got they got half that food everywhere you go what the hell you think all of a sudden you're gonna turn vegan i'm confused i don't i don't get why people when you get in that situation ocho and this is what i tell guys all the time there'll be a time and a place you can act a damn fool but before then get all the money you can so then when they get rid of you you can can say, I got 500 million, 700 million. I can act a damn fool,

but I'm not leaving no money on the table. Right. I'm not. And I'm not going to end my career prematurely. I will squeeze every last bit. Cause I'm sure I can find something to do with the whole or the peel of the orange. I'm sure I can find some use with it. I'm going to get all the juice. And then I'm going I can find something to do with the hull or the peel of the orange. I'm sure I can find some use with it.

I'm going to get all the juice. And then I'm going to eat it. But I got to find a use. Let me look up. What can I do with an orange peel? Is there something I can do? Hey, I can cook. I can screw with the zest.

Don't they put zest, orange zest? Yeah, I can find something on you. I'm getting every last drop out of this orange. Right. I'm just not going to juice. That's it. Come on, Zion, bro. You got to think, maybe as he gets older, maybe it'll click.

Maybe it will click. You do realize it's harder to get weight off you when you're that size as you get older. Oh, you ain't got to tell me because, you know, when I was 18, I was about... Never mind. I don't man with that kind of Ocho do you know

what some people not all because we've seen people have good jobs in that one professional athlete and squander it and F it up

right being tardy or being drunk getting high doing whatever the case may be but when you get in that situation, I wonder how many times did that man

dream of being in the situation that he was in. Say, Lord, if you help me get here, I ain't gonna no way I mess it up. Right, right, right. And lo and behold, he get there, and then boom. That's what I just don't get it. I don't. I don't. I don't get it, and nobody's going to make me understand.

Ocho, BJ Armstrong, today's NBA player robots who just shoot three-pointers and hunt for fouls. When I go watch the game, there's no more creativity. There's no more imagination. It's just we have basically robots running up and down the court. You run to the three-point line. I run to the three-point line first. I try to get a layup.

If I can't get a layup, I try to get fouled. If someone drives and they don't call a foul, these players go berserk. Now they have the right of passage to go to the basket and look for a foul. They're not even going to the basket to score. They're looking to the basket. They're looking to go to the basket to get fouled. This is what's being taught. I'm not going to be mad at the players.

This is what's being taught. We've stripped the players of any kind of imagination. We strip the players of any type of read the defense, take what the defense is giving you. You agree? I mean, I understand what you're saying, but the game has evolved since BJ has played, and there are players that have

a creative mindset. There are players that are really good at creating space, putting the ball on the floor, being able to beat people off the dribble on their own, that in itself is creativity. Where's the creativity in taking 63 tonight? Well, hold on. There are very few teams that do that.

You know that, right? The Celtics, the Warriors. What's the average? How many threes do at an NBA game? Hold on. They shot 74 in the Lakers game tonight.

They shot 74 combined threes. They made 27 of them. Hold on. I'm talking about efficient. Who's more efficient from the three-point line outside of the goddamn Warriors or Celtics? That's his point. Ain't nobody efficient.

And they keep jacking him up. You made his point for him. You made his point for him. Yeah. Listen, the old heads can't complain about what the game is. Now the game is different. Ocho, they average shooting per team 37.5 threes per game. Okay.

So when you extrapolate that times two, that's 74 threes a game. You know what that's like? That's like me saying, you know what? I'm mad there's no creativity, and we don't run the ball to open up the pass first like they did back when we was playing. Now they're throwing the ball 70 times a game. Yeah.

The game has changed. The game has evolved. It's not the same as it once was. At some point, you got to adapt with the times that we're in and not complain about them and just enjoy it. But listen, I totally understand where he's coming from. I do understand that. Well, something is going on because the ratings is not looking good right now Ocho the lack of defense

you know they feel like people are just going to the basket they cry like you said they cry when they don't get fouled

I understand there's some type of bruh I mean Ocho if I thought if it's like

they turn the ball over they think they get fouled they argue with the referee and the other team got the ball going. If I think I got held and the quarterback throws a pick and the guy running the ball the other way,

why the hell am I arguing with the back judge? Let me go make the tackle. And then the next time out, I'll say, bro, that was he held me. These guys argue with the officials and they got the ball in the breaking boot, they laying it up. Mm-hmm. Yeah. with the officials and they got they got the ball in the breaking boot they laid it up uh i don't know look yes i'm like you oh joe i look yeah i take it for what it is i know the game has evolved uh it's gonna ever evolve and i think some people got to just get over the fact. Right.

This is what it is now. It ain't going back. It's not going back. It's going forward. And you might even see less defense. You might see more threes because everybody feels the way to win games is to shoot the three. And that's why you don't see a whole lot of guys that can post up. Right.

Post up for what? That's a two. You don't see guys trying to dunk as much. It used to be, I want to be like Mike. They say now I want to be like Steph. I mean, Ocho, look at it. You watch YouTube. Seven, eight-year-olds stepping back shooting threes.

Ain't nobody going to the basket. Them jokers stepping back shooting three like James Harden. I'm like, bro, come on now. Yeah. That's where the game is headed. They see it, and it is what it is. Hey, I've accepted it. I don't get mad.

I just look at it like, damn. At least stop and just don't let it have a layup line. That's all I don't get mad. I just look at it like, damn, at least stop and just don't let it have a layup line. That's all I don't want. And you know how they be warm up on you and they just lay the ball up? Sometimes it be like that in the game. I'm like, bro, y'all not gonna stop me at all. Y'all gonna even start. Like, try. But

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