Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: Packers BEAT DOWN the Broncos + Jets HANDLE Steelers + Panthers LOOKING GOOD Early + Nick Chubb HANGS UP the CLEATS

Episode Date: August 22, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to the Packers beating the Broncos, Jets beat Steelers, Panthers look promising and Nick Chubb retires! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 00:00 - Introduction04:25 - Packers beat Broncos17:56 - NY Jets beat Steelers41:00 - Panthers beat Jags 48:15 - Nick Chubb retires from the NFL at 30 (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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But we look good at first drive. We look good. Packers beat the Broncos 33-13. Bo Nix had an outstanding first drive since that ankle surgery, Ocho and Joe, six of nine, 76 yards, one touchdown, almost a 130 rating. Pants are 10 in the second, mid-season form with almost a dripped fumble, but he had a big hit. Jordan Love on the opening drive, 5 of 7, 56 yards, a touchdown,

zero interceptions, 70,000 in a preseason game. Can we interest you in that? 70,000. Oh, so y'all don't get 70,000 in the regular season game. But you know what? We're here to talk about the proud side. We're here to talk about the mean demonstration,

the Packers footed out on the Broncos. Listen, it was a small demonstration, right? It was a small demonstration. I know the Packers won the game, but those first, that first ring, offensively and defensively for the Broncos, look good, huh? Hey, that ball, that ball, if if Bo Nix doesn't try to place the ball

and he put that ball out there for, for, for Waddle. on that scene route, man, give me seven points. Give me seven points real quick. Outside of that, I mean, there's really, again, it is the preseason, but there's not much of an indicator on how the season is going to go. But based on what we saw from the starters, you know, from your Broncos, they look damn good on both sides of the ball, especially Bo Nix.

Both look really good. But if you know by the Broncos of Broncos, the Packers, they do a lot of misdirection. They do a lot of boots. They do a lot of stretch and roll out waggles out the backside. And if you notice, you see what they're going to do to pass the tan because it's impeccable, because he can change direction, get down here in and out of breaks. They do a lot across the field. You see, both of the completed pass off play action across the field.

That's how they're going to get him. We're going to stem him up and then break it up sharp across the face. Yeah. So that's the way they look to attack him. Joe, what did you think? What did you think about the Packers and the Broncos tonight? Man, I thought it was a decent game. I thought Bo Nix, you know, he shows some of the flashes of that big playability,

you know, early with Jaden Wattle, Jalen Wattle. I thought he used the run game good, too. You know, Denver getting his backs involved into the passing game. Uncle Ocho, y'all know Sean Payton. He run that West Coast offense. He want to put stress on them linebackers and them safeties, huh? Yep. He won't stretch the field out.

So it was good to see Boonex early get out there. get his feet wet, bro, and really make some great throws. But hell, the Packers look good, man. Damn. Yeah. Hey, the Packers look like they're ready, bro. They like they got everything. As long as Jordan Love, the problem that they have is that at some point in time during the season,

George Love always gets Nick. Yeah. That's what really sets them back because remember last year, Ocho, Melit Willis came in. And I thought Malik Willis played really, really well, but you want Joe and love to stay healthy. He stays healthy. I really like this Packers team. Now, they're in a loaded division.

Chicago is going to be really good. Detroit's going to be really good. We'll see how Calumari now and that revamped system in Minnesota, how that's going to play out. But this might be the toughest division in all of football based on the level of of quarterback play that you have. You think about it. Joy in Love was the first round pick.

Caleb Williams was the number one overall pick. Jerry Golf was the number one overall pick. Kyle Murray was the number one overall pick. You see where we go in with this, so you see this is a quarterback-driven league. And when you got exemplary quarterback play, your team has an opportunity. them to be really, really good. They're going to stress a lot of teams defenses. But if you can hit, look, if you, you're probably going to need to get somewhere 24 to 27 points to beat the Packers, the Lions, and the Bears consistently. If you want to win the game,

that's probably the magic number you're going to need to get to somewhere between 27 and 24 and 27. Mightn't even even touch 30 here and there. And I was just getting ready to say that. Before you even mention anything about the point differentials to be able to win and compete in that NSC, let alone that division, I was going to say 30. points because when you look at the Bears offense, you look at the Lions offense, and here you look at the Packers' offense, those are the teams that can score at will and put up 30 a game. And plus all the teams, if you notice, the teams like to run the football.

All these teams, the Packers, we're going to want to try to run the football, play action off of it. Detroit is going to try to run the football, play action off it. Ben Johnson loves to run the football, love to put the quarterback under the center and run the football. And they have versatile running backs that can run the football. This is going to be a very interesting division to watch. I'm not going to be surprised again if they get three teams,

if they get three teams in this division into the playoffs, Ocho, because I think for me, maybe two teams in the West, I think 49th and the Rams, I think those, they look really, really good. Eagles and Cowboys say, hey, the commander to say, look, hey, we're not going anywhere. And then you got the NFC South. I still don't believe but one team's coming out of the NFC South.

Now, you could, you might get to, and we have these expectations of the NFC North, but based on rosters and kind of how things played out last year. Now, we know there's no carryover between last year and this year, but if I had to bet my money, Joe, I would take three teams out of the NFC North. Yeah. What?

I'm rocking with you. I don't know about your Cowboys, Joe. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what you don't know? Because I can help you. Come on, what you don't know? I can help you. I don't know. Hey, Joe.

Man, we're going to run that division. Hey, you know what I'm thinking about too? Can the Eagles put up enough points, though? Can the Eagles put up enough points in their division? Because of their style of play, the way that offensive is constructed, based on what they asked Jalen Hurst to do, are they a 30-point team week in and week out? You know, I don't know.

We look at the Cowboys, what they do offensively. They're another team that can keep up, you know, back-to-back scoring with the lions, with the bears, with the Packers, if need be again the problem always lies and on the other side that's always been their issue and that's on defense we don't know what that would look like even with the improvement that they made in the off season got about the defending super bowl champs in the nfc west Seattle y'all hey hey hold up hold up but what about uh what about your broncos I mean yeah we're going to be all we're going to be all right we're going to be all right I mean

here's here's what I'm saying it ain't no more development for bo necks no more the weapons that they have around him it's time for them to put up a shut up now I Obviously, if he don't get hurt, hell, they probably go to the Super Bowl, what y'all think? Correct. I agree with that. So they, hey. I think for the Broncos, no, no Sutton, no court in Sutton. I think a couple of their talk, well, he was, he played.

Oh, yeah, okay, he played, he didn't get his feet down. I'm not overly concerned defensively. I thought, you know, the turnovers, Jerry Stedham stared the guy down and got that pick. Yep, yep. that kicker from Green Bay, well, he got a leg on him, don't he? Well, got an iron.

I mean, he was splitting the uprights from 58, 59. But that's not saying much because that's an altitude and we know the ball travels well. A lot of, there's been a lot of 60 plus yard field goals made in that stadium because the area is so thin is that altitude. And so the ball carries. But these kickers now, if you're a bum,

if you can't consistently drill it between 50 and 55, you're a bum. You're not going to have a job in the NFL, Ocho. If you can't consistently kick the ball 50 to 55, regardless of where you are. It used to be, well, we get 55. We go to 55 if we're in Denver. They expect you to kick 55.

If you're in Jacksonville, Miami, they don't really care where you are. Dome, no dome, cold, no cold. It does not matter. 55 yards, it's probably the bare minimum is that a kicker in the NFL should be able to reach now. Yeah, absolutely. It's a few teams on, and Joe.

When you get past that logo, it's a few teams. Cam Little, Cowboys. Brendan Aubrey. You were in range. You know, and I don't know how often you were to put your... Yeah, he's another one. Who took over for Justin Tucker and... Oh, man, he was struggling. Baltimore?

Yeah. I forget his name, but... I can't remember his last name. But he does have a leg on him. I mean, I put them in a category like Steph Curry. You got to pick Steph Curry up right when he could cross the half court because he's in that range once that's the same way I feel about those few kickers that I did name that damn range you get the 60 65 and they and they've already made kicks you know of that length yeah I think the thing is that most kickers have that the thing now is that before they wouldn't even let a kicker even let a kicker even attempt that unless it's at the end of the half end of a game yeah yeah right right right they'll try these damn kickers out there don't even matter it don't even matter yeah yeah right right right they'll try these damn it don't even matter yeah Yeah, and trust your defense. But these guys, the leg that they have and the accuracy in which they can kick it with,

Ocho, that's the thing that's so amazing. They not, I mean, they, they split the uprights from 60 yards. Where, I mean, before they let you attempt no 60 yard unless it's at the end of a half of the game. Yeah. And the funny thing about it, Joe, is those few that can do it, they spend the upright at 60 with room to spare. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. With room to spare.

That fit and that one, he kicked the, uh, uh, uh, uh, the green bay guy. smack the one he kicked it probably is good for 63 64 but they got they got legs on them I think look the Broncos that's what you want to have happen you want to go out there and match the team goes down and score you want your offense to come right back on the field and match what you just saw happen to your defense give your defense an opportunity to recover like okay let's regroup the game of first down uh Benito got a little anxious and that's you know sometimes you just anticipate the snap count and he got a little you got leaned against got a little heavy, leaned forward and got off sides.

But I like the way he bounced right back, got to Jordan Love's face, made him throw an errant pass. But I was impressed with the Packers. I was impressed with even when Jordan Love went out, they came in with Tyrod Taylor. You know Tyraud. Tyrault, people don't realize this. Tyraud was on that Ravens Championship team in 2012, Ocho.

Was he? That's how long Tyraud been. Wait, hold on. He was. Yeah, he looked good. I was thinking. I think Ty Rob was on that team. Tyraub been in this thing for a minute.

Remember he started in Baltimore. He went to, remember he went to Buffalo. He got Buffalo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember Buffalo. It ended up, they ended up, uh, Buffalo, they ended up losing to Buffalo. That was the, excuse me, they ended up losing the Jacksonville. That was the year Jacksonville ended up almost beating New England to get to the Super Bowl.

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, he, he, he great insurance for, for somebody, especially to have a backup. I think, I mean, hell, he threw, I thought he threw the ball great than I. Yeah. I mean, look, he understands, he understands the task at hand. I don't think he ever going to put you. I don't think he's going to hurt you.

Now, I think he's a, like you say, Joe, he's a great insurance. Now, I really don't want to have to use my insurance, but if I have to, I got it on my car just in case. There you go. There you go. Life insurance. People think life, life insurance ain't for the day, it's for the living. You don't want them to be stressed by how they're going to play these damn bills,

Ocho, Joe, after somebody going. Right. So you take that stress off of them because, man, you're talking about something that are eating to a savings, hell. You let somebody get into medical conditions. All of a sudden, a high income earner is no longer around to provide that income. Hey, Ocho, I've been done that.

I'm telling you. Hey, man. Boy, you say, hey, then bills add up, boy. quit. Man, my grandma paid, my grandma paid for insurance. 40 years. Sometimes we didn't have no lights,

we didn't have stuff. She made sure she paid that and she paid that. And man, come to find out, they probably gave, they probably had $20 in there. You're like, man, I wish I had known. I'd say, been, I'd say, granted, stop playing that.

You should have stopped. paying that like 25 years ago, but you don't know. Yeah. She doesn't pay more than enough. You think about you paying $15, $20 a month for 40 years. Man. Rob and Peter to pay Paul and come to find out Paul to spend all the money. Oh.

Hmm. Paul will spend all the money and Peter brooch because he, but no, I thought, look, I thought both first teams all the money. offense looked good. I thought Green Bay second unit looked a little bit better. Well, not a little, a lot better than the Broncos unit. But there's the thing about what I liked about this, Ocho. Yes. The first drive, eight, nine, ten plays. Because what happens in practice, Ocho? You get five or six reps. The backup come in and get two or three reps. Now we're going on to the next year. Now it belongs to the defense. They get four, five, six reps or three reps. You

Here, two reps break, three reps back in. Nah, no, bro. You had to put a 10, 10, 10, 12 play dry together. Boy, you huffing and puffing. I know they were dog tired. High and deep. Because they hadn't had to do that in a very long time, unless you went too many.

Yeah. That's really the only time you get consistent to play. And guys still tapping that helmet. Somebody come on, give me a blow. Set me out. Set me out. Behind every night spent making the kids lunches, There's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the pesto survive the first bite? Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all? And will you finish episode 8 before you're done slicing the cucumbers? Get Bell Pure Fiber Internet with craved Netflix and Disney Plus from $94 a month. Price guaranteed for two years on internet with a two-year term and auto pay credit. Visit bell.orgia for details and to check availability. Bell, connection is everything.

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Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The New York Jets done, the Steelers 17-0. Will Howard didn't help himself tonight throwing two interceptions. Gino Smith looked good back in New York. Perfect drive. Seven of seven, sixty five yards. The best version we've ever seen of Gino,

he was in Seattle. He hadn't played really well that well anywhere else, be it jets, giants, Raiders. Las Vegas. The best version of Gino is what we've seen in Seattle. The question is everybody that's, for the most part, when they leave the Jets, they look pretty damn good, they look competent.

Yeah. I would just going to say that. I would just going to say that. Now, the best, the best version of Gino Smith, obviously was in Seattle, right? Look what he had surrounding him. Look what he had around him. He had a bunch of weapons. So obviously, yeah, obviously now him being back, you know, for a second stint in New York

where not very many quarterbacks have had success. No. Not very many quarterbacks have had success. But when the team has had success, it's because of the defense. That defense was their identity. Now, I don't think their defense is anywhere near what they used to be. So therefore, the onus is on the offense this year. So Gino has to come in on a second stint and be that much better than he was before.

He has to play eyes and ears above everyone else offensively outside of Garrett Wilson, who is obviously their superstar in Brees Hall. They got to take the pressure off of Gino. What did you think, Joe? Man, I thought Gino was great. He didn't play long, Uncle Ocho, but to go seven for seven, a touchdown is exactly, you know, what you want to see. I think for me, the bigger story would probably be the Jets defense.

Two picks, four sacks, and a shutout. Yeah, I mean, I know it's the preseason, but, hey, man, them boys out there moving, man. Hey, I like to see, you know, when the defense get together and everything starts clicking on our cylinders, you get them picks, them boys get the hulling up running out of the way. They get the part of it. Hey, man, I just love the excitement of the game.

I thought the Jets came ready to play. They defense was phenomenal tonight, though. Yeah. Yeah, Ocho, this, uh, what's got? This is, uh, Tyrod's 16th season. Damn. Golly. He came into the league in 2011.

Boy, boy, he's been playing for a little minute. What? Buffalo, they started at Baltimore, Buffalo, Cleveland, the Chargers, Texan, Giants, Jets, Green Bay. Hey, hey, you know, he comes from that, uh, he, he come from that duel, dual quarterback university yeah that Virginia Tech they they they produce one boy yeah he died he died uh Vottek uh Mike Vic yeah Tyrod had a nice look had a nice

little career he did he did the problem is that he went to Virginia Tech and everybody know no no yeah hey hold on he had some chances to be a starting quarterback before ain't yeah he was starting he was a starting quarterback and um he was a starting in um in buffalo no he was going to be the starter and he hurt his ribs and they went to give him an injection and they did you know yeah and they puncture his lung and then justin herbert ended up starting so he had some bad look i think he might have started in cleveland too oh cho no what you call him used the backup in cleveland baker baker i think baker baker baker was bigger yeah starter they love the uh the uh the rookie uh drew allen

That's his name? Yeah, Drew Allen. He didn't play bad tonight. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. But look, I don't care who the quarterback is. They better get, they better protect him. They can't protect. They can't protect.

Now, Roger's going to have to do an exemplary job of getting rid of the football. Now, some of those, some of those sacks belong to the quarterback. He's going to have to do a great job, you know, redirecting the line and getting the football out of his hands. But, boy, they, They, they bad. That offensive line, ooh. Hey, and that's why A-Rod is going to have to process things a lot damn quicker, boy.

Yeah. Get it on up out of that. He doesn't have the mobility that he wants to have, guys. I mean, when you 41, 42 years of age, I don't care, I don't care how great a shape you is. Yeah. Well, your boy LeBron is going to be 42, yeah. And he ain't, and he ain't what, he didn't move like he did when he was 26, or 36. Yeah.

By the time, or not defeat. Eventually, he tapped us all on the shoulder. Now, we can fight him off. Some of us are able to fight him off for longer periods of time.

But the thing is, he has an unlimited supply of timeouts, and he got an unlimited supply gatorade. That joke is just keep coming. I'm fighting him off. Damn, man, I'm going to get him off me. I'll tell you that now. No, he's going to keep coming, though.

Now, I'm getting them off me. I'm getting them off me. Hey, Joe, what you doing today? That one day he said, I ain't doing nothing. That's what he going to jump over you. I got him. I got him, mocho. One day you say you're not doing anything.

Old lady can't get you out of bed because you're like, man, I'm good. I'm just going to lay around here today. That's what Father Tazzy. That was the opening that I needed. Hey, hey, you ain't lying because it happened often too. Hey. I thought the second number, the number two overall pick, David Bailey. I thought he played well.

He was outstanding at Texas, Texas. Yeah. Yeah, he had a nice he had a nice little check and you know what, Ocho? When somebody go out there and they ain't got no elbow sleeve, they got no gloves on they hail raisers because the last guy that I see that was Reggie White. Yeah, it was the last guy that I saw play no sleeves, no gloves. No gloves. Just bear on I bear this hand now later in his career he would he would put a two strips of tape white tape ride his wrist. But other than that, Yeah. I've seen two people play like that, Ryan. I mean, I'm talking about Joe and no gloves.

They just, you know, you tape the little pieces of right of your fingers, the double tape. Sean Taylor. Oh, yeah, yeah. Seem doing no glove, no glove, no elbow, and I've seen Ryan Clark. Yeah. That, that's it. Outside that, everybody wanted to have a certain look, you know, and not flashy. What's the word?

What's the word for? Be stylish. Man, they, the boys ain't care. Boy, they don't care. And you're talking about coming down here and meet you to the party? Oh, yeah. Man, Ryan Clark might have been underside, but Joe.

Joe. He wasn't missing around. What? Nah, he played like he was 6'5, even though he was small. Him and Bob Sanders was like that. Oh, matter of fact, hold on, Bobby, Bobby. He went no gloves.

He could stay healthy. Huh? Yeah. He hit like a Mack truck. He was only like maybe 5, 10? Reckless, Joe. reckless. Most of the time, Joe, when you see safeties, you see DBs,

and they come up to make contact, you gather a step before you go through. You gather yourself and you go through. He just, just run. He's just running through the guy. Just run, just flow straight through, no gathering or nothing. Oh, Joe, you remember Dallas Clark? I do. Dallas Clark, for 44 for the coach.

He played with no gloves. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Dallas did have no gloves. That's right, that's right. That's right. I don't know how they do it. And Tim,

Tim Brown. Tim Brown. Yeah, Tim Brown didn't play with gloves. Nope. Oh, the receiver Tim Brown? Yeah. No gloves. No gloves.

What you call them? I think, I don't think Sean Alexander wore gloves either. Boy, you, hey. Oh, yeah, he had the big, elbow pads back in the day. As a receiver,

there wasn't no gloves, boy, you got some real hands out there. Yeah, yeah. Hey, I'm all be stinging with it. Good luck. I tell you what? You weren't going to be playing with John Elway with no gloves on that.

He's going to split the finger. You tell your hands up, man. And it's cold, too? Oh, yeah. Man. Hey, I needed me. What you call him some workman gloves? The gloves that he's working on the farm with.

That ball would be hurting. But I thought Gino looked good. I hopefully, you know, he can, he can get back what he had in Seattle for a couple of years and bring that to the jazz because they need that. Because I don't know, Ojo. So if they have another dismal season like this, I don't know if AG can fight them off in how much longer. I mean, obviously, ownership has to understand.

Give me something to work with. You can't tell me to cook you a certain meal, right? And you wanted to taste a certain way, but I don't have the right goddamn ingredient. Excuse me, I'm sorry. I don't have the right ingredients. Yeah. In order to make the meal you want,

in order for me to have success, give me what I need to work with. And if you know I don't have what I need to work with, Don't put me on a short lease and fire me because nothing's going to change. I don't even know what number coach they're on now, huh? Keep thinking that the merry-go-round of coaches are going to change the wins and the losses.

That's not what's going to do with. I think the thing is, oh, Cho, you said not the right ingredients. We see all these cooking these men out in the wild. What they're doing? They're cooking. They don't kill the animal. They don't got a fish. They don't west the fish off in the river

and got some oil in the pan. Hey, they don't... Yes, sir. got everything going like, damn. You think they're in the real kitchen. Like, damn, that might be all right right now. But I just don't know, Ojo, you're right. Nobody has patience anymore.

Because you know why? It's just too easy to say, F it and move on. Right. And too much money. Oh, for sure. Too much money. Too much money. The question is,

how he probably signed a five-year deal probably six million a year they eat that they eat that Joe what's that to them I mean you think about it look at the Raiders the Raiders got like three coaches on payroll

they got Josh McDaniels they got Pete Carroll Brutton still on there from that 10 year deal but Gruden Grudin's thing is an escrow. He's suing the league. So right now he still got about $60 million, 60, 70 million,

but it's, yeah, because he signed a 10-year, $100 million deal. So he's an escrow. Hold on. How do he still got that much left on that? That may have been gone for a minute. But they fired him, and they said they fired him with cause.

So if they fire you with cars, they don't have to pay you. He's disputing that. Wow. Clint Kubiak. Pete Carroll, Josh McDaniel. That's three coaches right there.

Two of the three don't work for you. Wait, I forgot Cubiak was there for a little bit. No, he's there now. Clint, that's Gary's son. I played, I played with his dad. I mean, he used to shag balls. He used to be the ball boy for it.

Now he'll head coach in the NFL. Damn. Hold on you, you play, you play, you play with Gary. I played with Gary. He was my offensive coordinator also. But he was my quarterback for two years in Denver. Okay. God, it's so many, it's so many of them, Kubeyx, man.

Klein, Kyle Shannon had the same thing. It's funny to see guys that were ballboards and shagging punts and stuff. Yeah. Kid coach in the NFL. Hey, we, man, that's how I happen to him. Hey, hey. Hey, that's typically how it happens, though. Hey, hey, you see that a lot.

I mean, especially when I was playing, you can see, see cats who was. ball boys. Hell, now they're assistant coaches. You move up to the video room. And you know what I mean? You keep moving your way up. Next thing you know, hell, you're the assistant general manager. Yeah.

Yeah. Me, I ain't never want to be nothing. All I want to do with a football player. And once I was done, I was done. I ain't want to be nothing else. I ain't want to coach. I ain't want to do nothing. I didn't want to be no personnel director.

I didn't want to be no community, community relations director. I didn't want to do nothing, Joe. What I was done with it? Hey, hey, you weren't going to do something else. Hey, hey, Joe, James Jones played. He's also upstairs now, right? Oh, yeah, that's James Joe.

Yeah, you wanted to be in Miami. He was, he in the league office now. That's that's what that meant. Yeah, he used to be the general manager of the sons. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what about him? And what's young bull name that played for the Philadelphia 76ers, but I don't know if he's still, if he's in the front office now. Trajan Langdon runs, uh,

run Detroit. You're talking about Elton Brand? Elton brand is, uh, he just got, they let him go, man. And Philly, they let him go? I think so, yeah.

Elton Brand. Because you know, Trades and Langdon, uh, uh, uh, Joe and Ocho, he, he, he running the show in Detroit now. Yeah. You know, that's what, uh, you know, aren't tell him who was my agent for like 15 years i played the NBA that was my agent he's the uh he's like

the president over there for the for the pistons now oh is he wait how you go from an agent to uh to the president you can do that what you think what you think well leon rode the world while leon oh joe he he was one of the best in the game bro yeah he moved he went from agent excuse me to uh president for the pistons right now Hey, that's funny. That's funny how you can go from an agent most of the time fighting for the players to get their money, you know, against, you know, teams and organizations

or people in their positions of power trying to try to prove to them why a player should get that kind of money to now be on the other side of the defense. Basketball is a lot easy, Ocho. They're going to give you, if you a guy, you don't need no agent. If you're a Max, Clay, Kay Cunningham really don't need an agent. Right.

He's going to get the Super Max. Yeah, we ain't, we ain't going in there, negotiate nothing. Tell me why I sign that. I know, I know, I know his Max. We'll be what we negotiate hell is max dollars. All you all right, right, right. If you do a four year, you're getting a three plus an option.

If you do a five year, you're getting the four plus an option. Yeah. And you get the trade kicker. Yeah. Right. Okay. What? That's only for the elite player though.

Yeah. Yeah. I think, hey, look, honestly, honestly basketball is similar to football. The quarterbacks make majority of the money in football. And in basketball, the elite ones. That's what it's the elite. You got somewhat of a middle ground, but hell, if you ain't him,

it's hard to get paid this league, brother. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's where you're aging. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And the bigger he is, like Scott Boris, they're going to want one of his,

they're going to want somebody he got. Yeah. Well, you screw him over, he's going to place this guy somewhere else. Basketball, you screw him over. He's going to take that guy and go somewhere else. Mm-hmm. Right.

So. Hey, Scott Boris, he's the best. He's like the number one agent when it comes to baseball. Yeah. Yes. Hold on. Who the number one, who the number one agent for football, do you think? Drew.

Maybe Drew athletes first. Mulageta got a got to click over there. Athletes first. Oh, yeah. But most people, not, Ocho, they don't really, they're in agencies. You got CAA, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, things like that. You got WM. You got athletes first. Drew probably is really like, and he got the Rosenhaus brand, but for the most part, it wasn't always like this.

It was guys with individual. You had a Tom, you had a Lee Steinberg. You had a, uh, the same brother. You had, uh, like Drew before he, but now everybody and I went to see a guys went to CAA, they went to WME, they went to your Swartz. So that's, that's where they are now. Yeah, I've, I've, I've, I mean, Uncle Joe, I was with Jerome Stanley in the beginning of my career. I think what you called? With Jerome? That wasn't that Keishol's agent?

Yeah, it was Keishan. Yeah, I was with Keishan. Early in my career, I was with Jerome Stanley. His son in the NBA, right? I don't know. Yeah, his son play. I don't, I don't know his first and last thing. But then after that, Joe, I was with Drew over the house the rest of my career.

But Drew was a shog, boy. Drew's the shark. And that movie, Jay McGuire with Tom Cruise. But that, man, Drew don't play. They based that on Lee Steinberg, though. That was Lee Steinberg, they based that movie on. Yeah. Yeah.

And you know, you got Clutch Paul and his group. Yeah. Yeah. They do football? Yeah, they do football. Man, they got, uh, my, I don't they got Miles Garrett? Don't, uh, Nicole Lynn? Jalen Hurts, all these big, yeah.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay. Damn, we need to get back out there, man. Get back out and do what? We got, we, we, we, we get. I'm put it to you like this. I'll put it to you like this here. I got football mentality, but I got crossing guard hips.

That ain't going to work. All I can do is, hey, I can hold it. Joe, that's all I got for, man. I ain't been to tell nobody. Everybody, man, you look, you can still play. PlayStation. That's all I can't do none of that, man. I can't do none of that, man.

It'd be so funny the first time people see you and say, boy, you're still in shape and they love. That's everybody's favorite line. Oh, you look like you can still play. And you know, they expected me to talk trash and be like, oh yeah, of course. I'd be like, man, listen, man, somebody hit me right now. I'm gonna get up.

Yeah. We're gonna fight. We're gonna fight. And there is no way, Uncle Joe, that I could take the punishment that comes with a four-quarter game. I couldn't, I could barely recover in my 20s. I recovered. I'm just saying, waking up and you got to warm up before you walk.

When your feet hit the ground, the day after the game, everything is sore. You don't forgot how to follow, Cho. Hey, because you got Todd France. He's an athlete's first. Joel Siegel. He's in WME. David Moologgetta, athletes first.

Drew Rosenhaus, Tom Condon, he creates CAA. Yeah. So everybody, I mean, everybody like on an agency now. Yeah. Because CIA, they used to mainly, in WME, they used to mainly represent actors and actresses. Yep. Yep. Oh.

You know what, you know what, too? I'm glad you just said it. I think a lot of players probably go to those entities like CAA because of all the other opportunities they can bring them outside of this football. No question. All the opportunities. they can bring that way. But like from a football standpoint,

I mean, Drew Rosenhouse has always been the power house for a very long time, and he's always had a really, really, really good group of dudes. And I just know when it come time to negotiate, man, Drew's always been the real deal. He's going to get what you want, and he's going to squeeze a little bit more out of them like a lemon, now. I met with Tom Conrad, and I met with some guys,

but they were just too big for me, man. They were just, huh? They were too big. I mean, they got too many guys. I mean, sometimes I just want, sometimes I want to call, I want to pick up the phone and you don't say,

well, he'll call you back. Yeah. I want you to jump on the phone. I don't call that often because more times than not, my agent was calling me, everything okay, I hadn't heard from you in a while,

X, Y, and Z. But sometimes I want to pick up the phone, no choice, I just want to get you on the phone. I don't want you to call me back. I want to talk right now. Yeah. And I just felt like,

you know what, and Tom might have not been that, because I had a great conference. conversation with it. I thought, I thought he was unbelievable. But for me at that time, in my life, I was just like, and I've had the same, basically the same age for 30 years. Yeah. You need, you needed somebody a little bit more hands on. Yeah. But I mean, he had, I mean, you know, had Elway Marino, he worked with Seahle, Jonathan Ogden, Tim Brown, Rod Woodson. Yeah. But I was like, man. Yeah. Now you see what everybody's

getting. Everybody's going to click up. Everybody in an agency now, Cho. Yeah. Really? Because it's hard. If you're by yourself because you need somebody because guess what? Brands. Look at all this. What you see?

Brands. Brands. Brands. Transition. I want to be able to lead a football field and I want to go into coaching. I want to go into broadcasting. I want to go into acting. I want to do something.

K. CAA. WME. That's where your actors. That's all that. That's the Tom Cruise and the Scarlet Johan. This is an all the... Hey.

Hey, hey, look. Hey, when I came out of college, Uncle Ocho, and I was looking for an agent, and I ran into Arantella, he named two guys who he had. He said, we got Kobe Bryant,

Tracy McGreg, I said, hell, I'm going with you. This is who I want to be on your team. I like them guys who you got over there. Yeah, I'm a row with y'all. And then Kobe ended up going to, what do you call him?

Yep. Yep, he ended up leaving going with a, uh, uh, what's his? Yeah, well, Palinka, Palinka who over there in, uh, L.A. The Lakers. Oh, yeah, Palinka with the Lakers, yeah. I'm thinking about, I'm thinking about what's calling with the, uh, Philly.

Polina, was that good of an agent during that time? Yeah, he was under, he worked with Arn't Teller. He worked under Arn't Tell them all those years. Oh, so same, same people. Yeah, but he was Kobe's like right hand man under, you know what I mean, under Arn't tell him. So like anything Kobe needed, yeah, that's who he went through. You start up under here. Okay, okay, okay.

Yeah, you branch out and get your own. thing, Ochot. Okay. So that's normally how it worked, but he has some, I mean, he has some shady practices, some shady tactics, but we won't get into that. We'll talk about that during basketball season. Behind every night spent making the kids' lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies?

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Trevor Lawrence, Travis, and Hunter, did not play former Colorado Bull. Buffalo Jimmy Horn Jr. made some flashes tonight. I like Jimmy Horn Jr. He was spectacular when he was in Buffalo. Fast guy run four, three, tremendous in the slot, can return the ball. He made-Mcillard, look, he was rookie of the year for a reason.

He was rookie to the year for a reason. He has that. Kenny Pickett looked good. He looked good. I look. I don't want to put too much, but I thought the throw that he's making. know Ocho. That's what I, because man, look, we've seen Kenny Pickett

in the preseason not look like what Kenny Pickett is looking like now. Yeah. There's no guarantee that if he, if something were to happen to Bryce Young and hopefully that does not happen, that he's going to look like in a regular season to what he's looking like in the preseason. Right. But I thought he, I thought he played, I thought he played well. John

Mitch, oh John Metchie's on Carolina now. Yeah, Menni, Menni there. Yeah, Metschi, Teterola. uh, Legget, uh, Jimmy Horn, Coker. They, they got a, they got a nicer. They got a really, he has the ability to be something. I, I, I, I think he's good. Hey, Bryce, you don't look good too.

He has some great, great moves in the pocket. You know what I mean? Just kind of sliding and move. You're like, he, he looked good today. He's just so small, man. He looked. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, it's a few, it's a few of them out there like that. Bo, Bo Nick, Bo Nick, small, huh? No, I'm talking about this dude here. He might not weigh, he might weigh 180. Oh, you're about weight, weight wise, yeah.

He's not, he's not that tall either. Yeah, you're right. He looked, he looked thin. He looked frail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And his, his frame, he can only get so big. He can't get no bigger than that anyway. Nope.

Be that small. I know one thing. He got great, great ball place. Yeah. He can anticipate his, he can anticipate his throws, and he's good at moving in the pocket. He has very, very good pocket presence. be that size. He's nice with it.

I, hey, look, phone booth quickness. He do. A little to the left, a little to the right, up and back. Yeah. Carolina got some great young offensive pieces, man, who, you know, who really, who really came to play tonight. I thought Jonathan Brooks here, I thought he ran the ball pretty good on the ground today.

So I thought they, I thought their young pieces showed out. Yeah. AJ, you remember AJ from the Green Bay with the Philly last year? From Green Bay with the, Carolina. Hey, with them, big, a man, goddamn. Yeah. By the size of my waist, boy. Hey, Ocho.

I was house Davis. I know you had high praise for the Panthers last year. They were your sleeper team and they came through. Did they make it to the postseason? Yeah. Yeah. What you got them doing? Almost beat the Rams.

Yeah. What do you got them doing? Yeah. Oh. They're going to be the same. They're going to pick up where they left off last year. I told you my two teams last year were Chicago and the Panthers. And they both played well.

Chicago will be lights out this year. I think Chicago will be lights out this year. I think Chicago will. be a team with Ben Johnson. Don't be surprised they scored 30, 35 a game. Joe, I kid you not. They scored 30, 35 a game. I wouldn't be surprised because of the creativity

of the person calling the plays in Ben Johnson. The Panthers are going to pick up what they left off. Obviously, another year, Bryce Young, under center a little bit more comfortable with that offense. McMillan taking that next step in his second year as a number one guy, they're going to be all right. They got a slew of talent over there, slew at the receiving position.

You think, you think Jimmy, you think little Jimmy Horn going to get an opportunity this year? Yeah, absolutely. They're going to find something for him to do because he's too good. He's too good. I'm not saying he's not a great play. He's not a Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase, but you put him in the right position to be able to make plays and play him to his strengths in your offense within your offensive scheme.

Man, you, you know, it's easy for us to say, but I think it's much more difficult for a coordinator to fit a player into that scheme and your offense. offense in a in a in a 75 80 yeah I mean well he he he looked good in this uh in his training cabin preseason man he's been he's been doing his thing yeah he been getting open I haven't seen I'd be watching all the look like what he did what you do on the way they're bad look here when you got that kind of speed when you got that kind of quickness they got to use it got to use it all you got to do is just keep flashing like damn

Coach gonna be in there like, run it back. Who is that? That's more, coach. Okay. Let's see if we can find, hey, let's put a little bit more on this plate. Let's see if we can find something for him to do. Yeah.

Hey, you know who else they did that with two? I don't like the way to use him last year. They, they're using them in too much of a gadget fashion. Matthew Golden over there in Green Bay. Yeah, for sure. You know, we, folks, if you time the way you time, I needed to show up like that on the field.

When you time like that, man, come on, Joe, a lot of times when you time like that, all they want you to do is run a goal and a post. Because they don't think you can run a speed out. They don't think you run a dig. They don't think you can run a comeback. Like, bro, I can run other, I can run. Yes, yes, I got four three speed.

But I promise you, I promise you, I can hit 10 and roll to 12. I promise you I can get the 15 and come back down the hill. I can do all that. I can run the glance. Well, they used to call it a glance. They called it a bang. We used to call it skinny. Whatever terminology you use.

Yeah. All I know is that outside foot, that foot that's back. When they hit that seven step, look for the ball. That ball got to be right there. And be ready for some contact. But take the back, wrong angle.

Strike up the band. Don't be trouble. Hell yeah, hit that sexy. What? on them. No, but I think the past is going to be good. We're going to see, Joe, what the, the falcons are going to do?

What the, uh, Tampa? Because New Orleans, New Orleans, oh, Joe, the last, last month of the season, New Orleans played well. Tyler Shuck, did an unbelievable job.

Yeah, he came on real way. I ain't gonna lie. I'm worried about them Falcons, fellas. I ain't gonna lie to y'all. What? Oh, you only were? because of the quarterback position, huh? That's a great reason to worry.

That's something to be worried about. Hell, that's a major part of the other. Hey, hey, come on, man. Yeah, that's, that's, that. Yeah, you two or two got you. Yeah, you should be worried about that, Joe. No, I shouldn't. Two are gonna be all right.

Man, what are. Yeah, you got, you got some nice weapons Ryan in there. Four-time Pro Bowl running back. Nick Chubb, announced his retirement today from the NFL at the age of 30. Chubb had four consecutive 1,000 rar rushing season from 2019 to 2022. He and Jim Brown are the only players in league history with six plus thousand rushing yards, five plus yards per carry in his first five season.

The 2023 seasons where injuries begin to rob him of his prime years. He tore both his MCL, meniscus, and ACL in 2020. After a gruesome knee injury in week two that year, Chub returned to action week seven of 2024 season before suffering another season in the injury in week fifth. Chub posting on IG. Going through a devastating knee injury at the age of 19 is a lot of different than going through it at 28. You understand that you have the rest of your life to look forward to and health is the real wealth.

Man, man, you got to tell me, bro. I mean, I've had meniscus and MCLs and my knees are telling me telling on me now. I have a torn in ACL. Normally when you have ACL, they start going to knees, you go have arthritic knees. It is what it is. There's a good chance he's a high,

he's a high candidate. Not saying that he will, but he's a high candidate for new replacement. Damn. Hey, man, it hurt, bro. When injuries rob your career, you look at some of the great ones. Hell, I like Chubb.

Chubb was a hell of a running back, but he was a, yeah, like even in basketball, bro. like it robbed some of our best players injuries robbed some of our best players of being of having historic you know uh careers t mac brand brandon ryan hardaway old and penny yep come on man yeah yeah yeah yeah unfortunate unfortunate it's just it's so common in football though because you know it's such a contact sport you know what i mean so it's not even really surprising when you see these guys go down with these different

injuries, knee injuries, and you see a guy getting hitting his ankle pointing the other direction. Oh, ooh! We! Ah! But the thing is, for me, it's like, man, what do you think? I said, bro, my

sister ain't played no football. She doesn't have bilateral hit replacement. She got both her hips replaced, so what's her excuse? Hmm. Just the defect, Dennis. She used to cheer? No.

That was the only thing I could think of. You know, that cheer. Hell, no. Yeah, it's tough. He went to the University of Georgia. Think about it. And you got a guy like Thomas Davis. Thomas Davis had three ACL tears.

Came back and played 15, 16 years. Yeah. Damn. I mean, Chubby had a, he had a nice career. Yeah. I think it could have been better without the injuries. Yes, absolutely.

But this was this, this was the hand that he was dealt. Yeah. See, a lot of times people confuse, though, is like when God say I want to play the NFL and God says I'm allowed you to play the NFL. He didn't say he's going to allow you to play 15 years. He didn't let's say he's going to allow you to play injury free. Yeah. And so I think sometimes people get that confused.

Yes, that's why the NFL career, as long as you get a guy like a Tom Brady and a Peyton Manning and Drew Bledz or Drew Brees that play 18, 19, 20 years, you get most people playing a year, two years and they don't. Three years, the average career for an NFL player. three. That's it. So when you factor in all those 12s, all those 12s,

it gets drugged all the way back down by those guys that don't make it. And the guys that only play one year. It's, it's, it's, it's the harsh reality. Everybody go to law school, they ain't going to pass the bar. Everybody go to math school.

Ain't going to get a medical license. This notion that just because you play or you go try it for the league, that doesn't guarantee it. It doesn't guarantee that you going to play in the league. Hello. Just like everybody,

everybody to go to Harvard Medical, or Harvard Medical, or Harvard Law, or whatever, or go to Stanford and try to get an econ or a finance degree. That doesn't mean they're going to get it, but people would have you believe

that only sports that if you try for a sport and you don't make it that you're unsuccessful, there are a lot of people that try to get things that are unsuccessful. It's just not sports. It's just you go to law school and you don't get to, you don't get to, you don't pass the bar. They don't post it.

You go to the NFL and you don't make the roster, guess what? It's going to be in the paper. Yeah. August 30th, what's the day? 21st. In nine days, everybody, the Dallas Cowboys, all the people that didn't make it for the Cowboys, the Broncos, all the people, all the people that didn't make it for the Broncos,

the Bengals, all the people. Now, you think they're going to list all the people in California that didn't pass the bar? Are they going to list the people in Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, hell? No. Just got a transition, bro. Yeah.

You know, I said, man, I was going to be a lot. I don't know what I was going to do. Because my plan was A, my A plan was making the league. My B plan was making it to the league. My C plan was making it to the league. My D plan was making it. I didn't have nothing else, so, Cho. Yeah.

I mean, I got a degree because I was already there. I was like, you know what? I might as well just go ahead and get my degree since I'm here. But that was not my option. My option was not to use that degree. Hey, boy, you said something there. And that was my same plan. I went to school for basketball or okay, Ocho.

Huh? I majored in it, got me a degree in it, and got my ass out of that. Hey, hey, say what you want? Yeah. That was my major. They asked me, what's your major, eligibility? The long I can stay here, the better my chances is, is the act.

The better my chances to get to the NFL if I can stay eligible. That's what I majored in. I don't know what y'all majored in. Hey, you got your, you got your degree? No. You got yours? So I'm the only oddball. Ain't got no damn group.

Well, you better go back and get it. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going to do my online class at Famu, man. They already reached out too. I got to do it. I got to walk that stage, man. Oh, you're going to walk you want to walk the stage and clown.

No, I'm not going to clown, Joe, but I just, I just want to, you know, do it the right way. You know, I know my grandma would be. Yes. You know, she got, she got every degree possible, you know, doctorate and she's everything. I'm like, and that's something she always wanted, but I'm like, man, grandma, you know, I'm not, listen, I'm not going to college. I'm not going to be a scholar. That ain't me. That's not what I do.

I'm going to play football and hoping I can get. to the next level. I'm hoping. He's like, baby, no, you got to have a backup plan. You have to have something to fall back on. If football don't work out. I say, special team player. That was my backup plan. If I was going to be a start, I was going to be a specialty. Yeah, that's my backup plan. Yeah. Something involved football. But my grab, I told him, yeah, that boy go get his paper. That other boy got his paper. He'll get his paper. That what they call a degree paper. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They talk. Yeah. What's my brother got? Right. Man, anything. I saw my brother do, I know I could do it.

Oh, he got a degree? Yeah, it can't be that hard. Yeah. He got two degrees. Hey, once I know I had that potential Uncle Ocho, I'm talking about in high school. I didn't play with it. I was locked in, boy.

I was locked in. Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't playing. Yeah, that's, man, I'm like, it's just tough. Because, you know, like you said, when you're 19, at some point, the body just don't respond like

it once dead. Man, getting out of bed, I don't know how y'all feel, but getting out of the bed hurt for me. Man, I have to sit to this. Hey, I have to spin around. I got to, I can't, hey, Joe, wasn't one of the time.

I just pop up. And I got to think about it. Okay, what I'm gonna do? What foot I'm gonna get? I'm like, damn, my knees hurt. Oh, yeah. My ankles hurt. My back hurt. I ain't there nothing.

Hey, the first thing you do when you wake up, you got to assess the, You're like, damn, what's hurting now? Why my ankle biting this morning? Hell, I ain't even doing it. I've been asleep. Hey. I wake up in the middle of night, like, damn, my knee hurt.

Yeah. I'm waiting on them days. I'm sure they're coming. They ain't yet, boy. You got to stay, stay active, Ocho. You stay active? I think that's the only thing saying, you know? Yeah.

Once you stop, it's a rap, bro. Yeah. I'm serious. I was acting too. you know, these old hips and knees slow me down. I'm still acting. Yeah, yeah.

Not as acting. Yeah, yeah. We know you acting. There you go. No, no, no. I just, I'm just saying we know you. You see what happened? You guys ain't going to left field, chat.

That don't make him no bad brother. But they didn't, I didn't. I just said, we know, we know. Yeah. Yeah. Joe, what you drinking? Hey, nothing but little tea tonight, Ocho, a little tea. What you got?

No, I ain't got nothing in my throat I'm just saying it's a little tea I'm just drinking a little tea That's it Yeah, he got a hair, He got a hair caught I got old hair fur ball Hey, hey I know what that means

Drinking tea at 1 o'clock in the morning You know, hey, I'm familiar with your game Listen man, we all vibing I can't vibe with a little tea Damn, you drink a whole Red Bull over there, bro How do you go to sleep after you get off of here? Well, I go,

Joe, go right to sleep. I need this red bull to survive. I don't be up this time of night. It wasn't until we started doing nightcap that my bedtime at 9.30 ending. Yeah. 9.30, Joe, I'm out and I'm up at 5 in the morning. No along clock.

That's how I was until LeBron came to the West Coast. Yeah. Oh, then you got to step and watch the game. I'm like, come on, man. You're killing me. I was in a good routine, Joe, since retirement too. 9.30, I'm out. I hit the cigar bar around 5 o'clock,

stand a cigar bar from 5 to 8, 815, come home, hit a little shower, maybe, brush my teeth, get that cigar smell out, go, and Listerine. Boy, 9.30 hit, I put on that sand for the sun. Boom, 5 o'clock. I'm talking about Joe, every morning, same routine. Never miss a beat.

But that's what, my brother was just like, my brother was 29 when his career ended just like that. 94 catch up 18 touchdowns, Joe, never stepped on the field again. Damn. Made the pro bowl that year. What was his neck? He had something in his neck.

Yep. Yeah. Yeah. You think the doctor told him he shouldn't play now, right? Yeah. You think he, you think he. My brother didn't get us, my brother was good at football. My brother didn't love football.

He was good at it. No? No. My brother ain't shared one tier when they told him his career was over. But oh well, you'd been hurt, boy, you'd have been down bending knee. Boy, they better get me a room with some pads in it. Hey, I ain't even hold y'all, man, look bad, please. No, man, I, uh-uh.

And just, you had to, I mean, think about he had the apex. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he was at the top of his game, boy. He two years from Wu from winning the. Triple Crown. There's only been a handful of receivers that received votes for the for the MVP. He was one of them.

Jerry done it several times. Who else got? Cooper Cup and Randy Moss. Only five receivers have received a vote for the MVP. He's done it twice. And it was over, just like that. So one year has to receive him votes for the MVP of the league career done. Damn.

He called me up. He was just calm. Just a matter of fact. Hey, bro. Man, what going on? Man, what the doctor said? He says, it's over. Hmm.

He got hit? Yeah, well, it happened the week before. He ran into his old college teammate. But he said he had been having stingers and his tingling, his hands, and his feet. But it didn't tell nobody. So he collided with his former teammate, Brad, there was they're playing the Falcons.

Yeah. Week 16 and then, you know, lay on that. He was trying to turn himself over. I was looking, because I was looking at it. I was like, oh, man, damn. And he couldn't, then all of a sudden, the feeling came back, he got up, walked out the field. Next week, they played Tampa.

He cooking. Say him a buck, 24-2 touchdown, last catch. Yeah. Catch the ball. Thomas Eric glazed him across the, uh, cost his helmet that was he did he go into the doctor you know they kept him out of the playoffs go to the doctor i called him to man what the doctor say it's over bro man i started crying he said what's he said he said i got seven he said i got seven years longer than i expected

he said we good he said now you do a day now you carry it on i took it far as i could take it it's up to you now I doubt you wouldn't have been I wouldn't have been that he'd know I'd have been in the room

smearing's poop on the wall I ain't ain't able to tell nobody anything different that's what I'd have been if they did have to medicate me

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