Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: PRESSURE is on NEW Eagles OC Sean Mannion + Bo Nix CLAPS BACK at Sean Payton + Josh Allen BLAMES HIMSELF for Bills FIRING Sean McDermott + Giannis to GOLDEN STATE?!

Episode Date: January 30, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to the Phillideplhia Eagles hiring Sean Mannion as their new offensive coordinator, Bo Nix goes off on Sean Payton for revealing how many ankle surgeries he’s had, and Stephen Curry answers Giannis trade rumors and says it isn’t his job to worry about that and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 05:00 - Eagles hire Sean Mannion as OC16:35 - Sean Payton and Bo Nix exchange words35:10 - Josh Allen blames himself for Sean McDermott’s firing46:25 - Steph Curry answers Giannis trade rumor questions59:55 - KAT unbothered by trade rumors (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ocho. The Eagles are high in Sean Manning as the offensive coordinator. Manning has coached the last two, you have just coached, has coached for just two years, breaking in as an offensive assistant, uh, the Packers in 2024 before being promoted to the quarterback's coach last season. This past season, he worked with Jordan Love, who completed 66% of his throws, 3,381 yards with 23 touchdowns and six interception. A former quarterback out of Oregon State, Manning, spent nine season in the NFL with four different teams, including with the Rams who drafted him in the third round. He learned from coaches such as Sean McVeigh, Clint Kubiak, and Shane Waldron during his playing days. Ocho, do you like this hire? You know, I'm going to be honest with you.

I like the hiring, but I don't like the fact that I didn't get the opportunity to interview for the offer the coordinator's job for the Eagles. I know what they need. What they need is creativity. Now where coach is coming from under that umbrella tree with Kubiak and goddamn Sean McVeigh, I think it can be good. With the offense needs in Philadelphia is a little bit of creativity. I agree. They're too predictable. You know, I mean, we talk about it all the time, Joe, knowing what routes are being run

based on receivers of alignment. I mean, just, you know, no creativity at all. I think if he's able to bring some of that and open up, open up with Jaylon Hertz is already able to do and add something else to his game, I think they're going to be all right. You like it, Joe? I don't really know, to be honest with you, Uncle Ocho. I don't really know much about the coach.

But I think I want to just see more from the quarterback, Jail Hurts. You know, just improvising a little more Uncle Ocho, getting outside the pocket, making plays, and throwing dots. I think he got it in him. I think he second guesses itself quite a bit. But the Eagles, they definitely got a nice squad, man. They can get back on track and get back to playing championship ball. But I think it's going to come down to a quarterback play, man.

Him, you know, getting outside his comfort zone and being a playmaker. Yeah. I like that too. Go ahead. You know what? You know what? Just to piggyback on what Joe is talking about, I would love to see Jalen be able to do a little bit more. Some of the things people say he can do, especially when the running game is stifled,

as it was last year. see him be a pocket passer. I would love them to see obviously the offense wasn't predicated on him having to do anything outside of what they call, but I would love them to add a little bit more on his plate. Give him a little bit more so we can see him develop more as a pocket passer outside of what he normally does. I like it. I think the thing for me, Ocho, is that you said they need to open up the playbook and allow Jalen Hurst to be more of a quarterback. I think the thing sometimes is that when you call plays, a player knows like,

damn, they really don't think I can do, but X, Y, and Z. And so by doing that, you like, damn, do they got confidence in me? Because they're calling plays as if they don't have confidence in me. Because somebody that calls plays, they allow me the freedom, the latitude,

to do a lot of things. And this office, really, I don't know if this offense allows Jalen Hurts to do a lot of the things that he could potentially do. And especially now, at this stage of his career, his sixth and seventh year in the league, Ocho, you got to open a damn playbook up. You got to let him be able to go to the line and change plays on his own.

He's not a first or second year quarterback. You don't have to keep the training wheels off on, oh, excuse me, on for perpetuity, allow him to be a quarterback. He's gone to two Super Bowl. He's won a Super Bowl MVP. That should be enough that should say, you know what, I have faith in this young man. I'm going to take the wheel. I'm going to take the guard wheels off.

I'm going to allow him to be what I believe he can be. I just think the thing is when you call plays for a significant amount of time and you don't open it up, the player starts to feel that you don't have confidence in him. And then when you don't have confidence in him, I don't care what you hear a lot of people say, you just need that one person to believe in you. The one person.

And maybe that's this offensive coordinator. Now, he's very new, Ocho. He started out as an offensive assistant. He became a quarterbacks coach last year, and Jalen Hurst, Jordan Love had a really good season. He got Nick and didn't have the type of season that, you know, you would hope had got out to a great start against Chicago, but they ended up faltering late in that ball game.

But I like this high. Maybe, look, Green Bay and the West Coast system, and I think there's a misnomer, they still want to run the football. But they do so much more off of it than what the Eagles were doing. And I think the thing is with Jalen Hurts legs, I think he does a great job. Yeah, he's strong. He can squat 600 pounds, but I think he does a great job of getting out of bounds. I think he does a great job of getting down and not taking unnecessary punishment.

Now, look, sometimes you're going to have to on third and one, Ocho, fourth and one, you're going to have to lower your head. You're going to have to get that extra yard. But for the most part, for the most part, he does a great job of taking care of himself. I like this hire. I like it. I do. Damn. You got it?

I don't messed up my camera. Hold on. I don't know what this. I don't know what he doing. But, uh, the, uh, Saquorn, the running back. Hey, man, I don't know what happened, but it seemed like one year made a huge difference.

Because, uh, I think when he's dominant, when he's dominant like he was a year, a year ago, I think it's a lot easier for Jayla Hurried back there as well. Yeah, but, but, but the fact that I, I think, uh, You know, he was decent this year, but he wasn't what he was.

The previous year. No, you're right, Joe. I think the, the, the way you help the quarterback the most is run the football. They made a, teams made a conscious effort to stop Sequan Barclay. The offensive line was beat up a lot also. Dickson had surgery right before the season. Jurgensen had surgery, if I'm not mistaken, in the offseason. He wasn't totally healthy.

The right guard, they didn't really find an adequate replacement from Mackay Beckton. And you saw Lane Johnson go out. he was ending out and he was dealing with injury. So the offensive line, as we knew it, the previous year, wasn't even close to what it was. Now, you're going to get laying back. Hopefully Dickerson doesn't have to get surgery. Jurgensen doesn't have to get surgery.

They'd be able to not train instead of rehab. So that should help Sequin a lot more. That should help this offense a lot more. Because when they run, when Sequan was running crazy, now all Jaylorhurst does stick the ball out to Seekwine and put it back. Now you got Devon Tate. now you got AJ, you got Goddard, and those guys running Scott-free. So that's definitely a plus when you can run the football.

Go ahead, don't you? Absolutely. But I want them to evolve when they're not able to run the ball. I need the creativity. I need the schemes. I need the different formations. I need the motions. They're putting AJ Brown in the backfield, putting DeVante Smith in the backfield.

Some of the things you see them do with Pook and the Cool. Some of the things you see them do with J.S. in you can bring that same type of creativity or a similar style to west coast offense without really taking away from what you actually do just adding adding sauce to it on when you got damn joe when you cook food joe you add you add season to your food joe that's all i'm asking the eagle's offense to do the new officer coordinator to do you already got to you already got your recipe right add a little seeding to it change it up a little bit so when you get in situations with a running game if not working you're still able to operate in other ways you're you're still able to operate in other

that's all. Hey, Uncle Ocho, I think for me, you know, when you look at it as players, it's only so much the coach and staff can do, man. Yeah. You know, when we get in between those lines as athletes, we're the ones got to improvise and make plays at the end of the day. You know what I mean?

So as much as the coaches help, when you get out there in between those lines, man, it's got to come out of you. You know what I mean? Like, you got to be a playmaker. You got to make things happen. I think the thing is, in last year, they didn't really have a guy

that can scheme guys open. Yeah, sometimes it comes down to talent and sometimes they have to call to play Ocho and I just say, Ocho, you got to go beat this guy. I ain't got nothing created. I ain't got nothing exotic. I'm not stacking anybody. I'm not putting anybody in motion.

I'm not doing anything like that. You see what a Clint Kubiak did. He put J.S.N. in the backfield. He slips him out. He runs the seven route. The backers get confused. They go one way and next day, you know, he's wide open for a touchdown.

Or you see what Sean McVeigh does in that situation where he does. does with puka and he gets guys open he gets devonte open at some point in time i can't scheme you're open son sometimes we're playing in 20 million dollars you just got to go get the elf open that's what it comes down to you just got to go get open sometimes now i'm going to always try to put you in the best situation but sometimes it's you yes versus him yeah want it more now look i can't I can't make a living, Ocho, running 15 digs and four outs and three goals on the left side. I've got to get more creative than that.

I just do. I agree. So I like to hire. I don't know how well he'll do, but I remember him coming out of Oregon State. Ocho, that's your alumni. That's your brother. Yeah, that day, that's my alum. That's my alum.

Yeah, I like him. Listen, when you mention him coming under from that umbrella tree with Kubiak and Sean McVeigh, I'm sure he can go bring some of that sauce with him. He got to. You got to because them, hey, them Eagles fans, them Eagles fans, they don't play. Yeah, they kind of got spoiled. You know, you had Kelly Moore for a year, Ocho, and his first year there, you go to the Super Bowl, you win the Super Bowl.

They look dominant. They look really good. And the only time they seem to be challenging the postseason was get the Rams. And the Rams had to throw in the end. on and you know and the guy he kind of dropped it. The guy made a great play on it. But other than that they ran through

everybody else that was in the postseason. Kellynmore Parley, that got a head coaching job at the Saints. Best of luck to him he's done a great job. But you take for granted and you think just because, well, they got the same talent, but no, everybody doesn't have

the same mindset. Everybody doesn't have the same IQ to call certain plays and down the distance and area of the field. So, Kelly Moore is great at that. You saw what he was doing in Dallas. They were the second high-and-scoring team. Dak was, you know, throwing for 4,000 yards routinely, having great season. They just couldn't get over the hump.

The defense let them down some. And when the defense faltered, the defense couldn't bail them out. And with the defense, and the offense made one mistake, it was pretty much over because everybody was just going up and down the field. But I think, I think Manning would do a great job. An interesting exchange of words happened this week between Sean Payton and his franchise quarterback, Bo Nix. Guys, let's take a listen to the exchange between Sean and Bo.

A condition that was like predisposed right at that, where they always find a little bit more when they go in, and it wasn't a matter of it. It was a matter of when. Had it had any predisposed issues, my ancestors were feeling really good. He said he had one in high school, and then he said he had one at Auburn.

I don't think he really should share how many surgeries I've had in the past. to be honest with you, but, um, because I don't, you know, he doesn't really even know that.

Well, damn. Hey, um, they, hey, listen, if I'm not mistaken,

the head coach and the quarterback is supposed to be on the same page at all time. They're supposed to be joining the hill. Those, those, hey, Joe, them the two people that's supposed to be aligned and everything on and off the field.

Right. And let Bowden already showed, he's not the one. You ain't going to be just talking to me any old kind of way. We've seen that with him. As a rookie. That was the first of, yeah,

yeah, when he was a rookie. Hey, Joe, he had to buck up at Sean. I'm talking about, man, no, I'm not one of them. You're going to be crazy. I'm not one of them. And so this is another example of, boy, you're sharing a little too much information. But what you doing?

Hey, hey, the player's different now, man. The players are different. You have to conduct yourselves and carry yourself a certain way. That old school way Sean Payton has is not going to work. No, he's been able to bully other players, you know, his approach and how he treated Russell Wilson on the side. line, you're not fin to be able to do that. Come on now.

Yeah, Bo Sean, I'm, man. He's treated a lot of players like, that's, this is who he is. This is Parcell. Yeah. He learned under Parcells. This is how part, you, you remember Parcells when he said that about Terry Glenn? He wouldn't even speak to T.O. Because he didn't want T.O.

But Jerry Jones did. He wouldn't speak to it. Yeah. Yeah. And he called, he called, he called, uh, Terry Glenn a derogatory turn. Even his wife say that's not necessary. You called him she. She got a growing injury or something.

She got something going on. Oh, because he was hurt? So that's who this is who Sean Payton is. Me, I probably would have had a problem with that coaching style because you can't talk to me any kind of way. I won't let you talk to me any worse

than what my grandmother talked to me. So. Hold on. Y'all think he'd do that with all this plans? Yes, he will. Absolutely. It doesn't. It does not matter if you're the superstar or the lowest tier.

Absolutely. This is who he is. Because that's how Parcells was. That's an old school. That's an old school. But I mean, all this distraction. And look, he fired, he fired Joe Lombardi, who's the officer coordinator. And they look at a day, they see this Davis, was it Davis Mills?

What's the quarterback's coach? Davis Mills. But now you see, well, he's looking for an offensive coordinator. Well, if you wanted to, because I believe you could have demoted, the way you handle it, Joe, Joe, you demote. If you want Davis Mills to ascend, you just demote. And then Joe Lombardi's like, hey, either I can step, take a step back or I can, or I'll just move on.

That way is his choice. But when you fired a man because of a call that you made, even if there is a case that you want Davis Mills and you, David's way up. even if you want to keep Davis way up, it just looks suspicious that you fired a guy that didn't call any plate

and he damn sure didn't call that fourth down plate. But now the reports are that he's looking for another officer coordinator. You had one. You called that. Sean, you just got to own that one. And sometimes, oh, and I know it's hard. It's hard.

Sometimes it's hard, Joe, to admit when you're wrong, when you made the mistake, it's hard to admit that. It's easy to place to blame on something. Man, who left this damn refrigerator open? You know, damn well, you left that refrigerator open. But it's easy to try to put that on somebody. Man, who left this?

My grandpa, who left these lights on? You're the last one in there. Everybody in the room. What you mean? Who left the light on? You did. But it's easier to blame someone than to accept accountability.

especially in a situation like this, Ocho, because this fourth is an opportunity to get to the Super Bowl. But there's not enough people in close proximity that you can put that blame on. The defense gave up less than 200 yards. Yeah. Joe Lombardi does not call plays. So who to decide to forego points and go for it on fourth and one?

And run a very similar play that you ran the scored on the first touchdown, knowing that the likelihood of them giving up a similar play is not very likely. Give them credit defensively because they blitzed. It's like if you run the ball, we're going to step your run. And guess what? We got your outflank to the short side of the field too. So you're dead to right. You're done.

You're done. Yeah, you would have to hope for, hey, Joe, it would have been a busted coverage. Somebody had to slip in the ball. But running that boot to the short side of the field. Nate Jackson, who I remember nasty Nate, a player injury history, medical details, or confidential information. Sean Payton refused to discuss any player injuries all year.

Then when Bo Nix get hurt, all of a sudden, he's singing like a canary. Weird to say the least, it is. Yeah. I think he's doing it basically to take away from that F up did he have? Yeah, yeah. So now the conversation that's being had

is the exchange between, between him and both instead of that goddamn bullshit-ass poor down call. That bone headplay he went for her, Yocho. But that's what I do. If I mess up, let me say, what you did as a child, Ocho, when people get on me, they talk about my clothes

or they talk about the way I talk, I start talking about somebody else. They start laughing at them. They forget that somebody had got on me first. So what I do to make y'all stop, forget about that, as Ocho said, That effed up call, man. Let me fire the officer coordinator. Let me talk about Bow Nix was predisposed.

Okay, just because you're predisposed to something, I have a cancer runs in my family, so does diabetes high blood pressure. Now, I've had prostate cancer, but that doesn't mean I don't have high blood pressure. I don't have diabetes. So just because you're predisposed, that doesn't mean you get it. That means you're more susceptible. There's a greater possibility. But why are you giving out this man details about his medical history?

He said, okay, if he said it, they should have it on record. You don't need to regurgitate it. Yeah, no need to tell us. And besides, that still does not excuse. I don't care if he had both legs in a cast. They got to do that call you made. Let's talk about that call. I felt if we went up by 14, 10 would have felt like 14,

considering how poorly and inefficient they were, ineffective they were at moving the football. Yep, in that weather. Like I said, look, I think Sean is a phenomenal coach. I just think some of the things is that old school in the way you talk to the player. And look, Ojo, you know I'm as old school as you come, but I do realize there you got to talk to people

a certain way now. The way you and I was raised, we could never raise our kids like that. We go into jail. Oh, no. We're going to jail, Joe. It's really that simple. Like that.

Yeah. Why my grandfather, Grandma, mama just pick up something and bust hell at you. Brooms stick, shoe, hit shit,

they don't matter. Switches, stitching cords. Yeah, truck, top, or train tracks. You're going to jail.

Yeah, grandma used to tell you, go get me a switch from the tree. You know, I'm, hey, I'm gonna get the flimsyest switch

I can find. Yeah. Just to kill time because I know she's gonna see me back out to get the right thing. There you go. But you gotta be careful, Ocho,

because some of them flimbingy ones, that things don't break. They don't, they well. Hey, yeah, man, a little wet. Hey, I'm trying to find me something that's brittle. Oh, this thing look real good. Hit me one or two times and it's all over the floor. You gotta be careful when you break back in the house.

But, uh, the trick to her. Yeah, hey, they'd be knowing. You gotta stay close. Hey, the trick, you gotta stay close to her when she tries to. Oh, yeah. So she gets somebody. And then she's, but here's the thing. She'd get mad.

Cause you know, you don't Maybe you don't make you bite your tongue And somebody make you stub your toe And my grandma start being a betriloquist I'm going to train your ass or Hey, I never forget them days It's so funny, you know, I'm not sure how y'all got beating My grandma used to beat me

She used to talk Yeah! She would talk with every lick I told you not to be acting up And then people, school, embarrassing me like this. Oh, my goodness. So mind you, I got the whole beating was a whole conversation.

Oh, my grandma, I told me I should have tow your ass up last week when you acted up. And then, Joe, you know what you used to make me man? You have relatives come over. You know I had to tear that boy ass up. Ain't nobody asked you that, Greg. Why do you got to mention that?

Yeah, I show tow that answer. I shut down on him. Hey, I never forget. Hey, Joe. Yeah, hey, Joe, where's my favorite line? I'm sending you to school. And I'm telling you right now,

if I get a call, wherever you show out, that's where you're going to get whoa out. And lo and behold, boy, if I'm acting a fool in class and that teacher call, I remember I got embarrassed in front of the class one time, boy. As a freshman at Beach High,

I never forget. And she came in that class. Obviously, I'm a little older now. And she walked in that dough. A, setting the chair right behind me. Oh. Man, I was so embarrassed, boy. So, so embarrassed.

I wasn't worried about a call in the house. That phone was disconnected. Callie you want to. You ain't getting it. All you get to the bill. Go ahead, call. Go ahead. Right.

They ain't got nothing to do. They ain't got nothing to do with me. But my old big mom's sister. She snitched on you? Granny, you know that boy don't listen to nobody. Hey, shut up. That's because that's the aunt that he used to snitch on him. Yeah, yeah, they snitched on it.

I would. But the best thing about it, because you got to realize, like, when I was in, my sister's eight years older me. So I was in kindergarten. My sister was like a, what, freshman, freshman in high school. Then I had two aunts. So I went, 73. I think Gladys graduated in minus 73.

So Gladys might have been a senior. My aunt Gladys was a senior. Jane Sherman Dean, Living, so. So, you know, but it's funny. The white, the black people sat at the front of the bus. The white people sat at the back of the bus. When you were in school? When you were in school.

The whites, we sat in the front. The black people sat at the front. The white sat at the front. at the back. So my two arms would sit together, living one of my, and Spanky and Buck, my sister would sit together. I have a seat by myself stretched out. Oh, you know, that old God? Yeah. Can I sing with you? No. And what? Have it be a big old seat by myself. I'm some good memories. God, it would be, it never be. It never be. It would never be. It would never be. It would never be. It would never be. It would never be. And you don't know if you knew what you knew what you know now then,

you would have done things differently. You would have behaved differently. But I'm not so sure if we had behaved differently, we wouldn't be who we are today. Because it took a Joe, it took all that. Because I already know I was good in school, but I was sneaky. I would, you know, I would do stuff. And when my, with Libya or Spain get the best of me,

I'm taking off. I'm hollering. I'm telling it. Hey, my grader be the, hey, who made that boy cry? That's how he talked. Hey, leave that boy alone. So you know, ain't nothing wrong with me. But since he said leave that boy alone and who made that boy cry, now I got to cry.

Oh, oh, I'm about to roll. That's how Spain got so fan because he had to catch me before I tell Papa. You got to pay me something. Hey, hey, Ocho, my girlfriend used to talk to us through the screen, though. He wouldn't even let us in the house. He's like, what you want?

Man, we come down here to the cheer. Nah, I know y'all come down here trying to pimp me and your grandma. Knock, I don't get away from right. That was, that was, hey. And live, I tell, I tell. I couldn't happen. I don't know why I was like that, though.

We weren't raised like that. Spanke would never tell. You were the youngest. Lill would never tell on Gladys. Gladys would never tell on Maranelle. Sherman Dean and Jane never told on each other. But me? Is he young?

I know, hey, I know, a Joe. What's on? We talked about, you know, that hypothetical situation with the rip. If we had 24 million a split. Yeah. I don't know. We might not be able to do it. That was long time ago, oh Joe.

Tires were tight. Nah. Yeah, but you know, it's, it was in your back then. It's still in your nine. What you're trying to say? We might have to take on God, man. Ah, man. Yeah, we might have to take on.

You already know, because this man ain't trying to, now they already know we go, hey, what y'all find in the house? Nothing. Well, damn, y'all was gone an awful long time. Yeah, but we had to make sure we, you know, make sure we went through the house. house thoroughly. Instead of leaving, like calling somebody, we don't stashed a couple of, we don't stash a couple of bricks. He want to take all the money. Yeah, they don't know. They sent

us on the case, right? So listen, we went on the case. We thoroughly checked the house upstairs, downstairs, did everything we needed to do, went behind the walls under the beds. Matter of fact, we checked the dog house. We digged up the dog house and make sure there was nothing up under the dog house. And we didn't be, we didn't find anything. We did paperwork. Matter of fact, we called We called it back up. After we stashed everything we need to stash, we ain't find nothing. That's okay.

I think that's the conflict that me and Ocho are going to have. I'm willing to give some action. Thank you, Joe. Ocho, they're going to give us probably a little bit of whatever. They're not going to give us anything, Joe. And you know, man, you know good and well. You know good and world. But that's okay.

If they don't, we all got five. Yes. Let them have the other five, that love of eight. So guess what, Ocho? We're going to get some new vests. We're going to get some new. body cams, we get some new cars. Right.

Yeah. Hey, I don't like, damn, my camera went, my light went out. Hey, you know what? I don't like that. I'm going to have to take both of y'all out there. See what I'm saying? Greed.

Greed. He's greedy. If not greed, listen, hey, God, God, God put that there for a reason. God put it there for a reason. Y'all talking about giving it back. Listen, stuff don't happen by accident. Blessings in that kind of magnitude. That ain't no accident.

Oh, Joe. I ain't say we give it all to them. I'm saying we give some of it to them. If he wanted him, if he wanted them to have it, he would have put it in their possession. How about this here? We consider that our tides.

Okay, we'll give it to the church. We didn't give it to the station. No, no, no, no, no. That's the tide. That's what we left for them. I'm going to break the church off too, but I got, you got to break the church off an increment. You know, you can't just go dump a hundredth hour on the church.

They're going to be looking at it. They're going to be looking at you sideways. Not Joe. You're told you exactly. Yeah, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm a help with the brother sharp dropped off the bag. Yeah, I'm here, I'm a help with the building fun. You know, they always want to get them windows fixed.

Man, that building ain't never been, that building ain't got no roof, they ain't got no windows to it, they got nothing. So I already know the building for, I already know that building ain't gonna get completed. So I'm gonna start with a piano, I'm gonna buy some new pews, new pool pit, I would do all that. The building fun is a lost cause. that's the bridge to nowhere.

But, no, I just think, Sean, I think we're all in agreeance here that Sean is trying to do the art of misdirection. I upped up. Right. Let me see how much commotion I can cause. Yeah. It's going to be a long,

until they get back into a similar situation in advance, there's not going to be, you're not going to be, not an egregious like, an egregious era like this and when you have a backup quarterback. I don't know if he'd have been, if they would have killed him as much if he'd have Bo Nix,

but you know you got a backup. You know the weather is going to get worse because that's what the forecast had predicted. And then you still roll the dice by going for it. And you crapped out. Josh Allen blames himself for Shaw McDermott firing and believe that they would be in the Super Bowl right now. if he had made one more play.

If I make one more play, that game in Denver, we're probably not having this press conference right now. We're probably not making a change. In all honesty, we're probably getting ready to play another game. Well, the weather in New England was worse than the weather in Denver. And you were going to have to play a lot better,

a lot better than what you played in order for you to advance. Now, I'm not saying that they, I mean, this wishful thing. And now everybody can say that, Ocho. You know what, Ocho, if we had beat Pittsburgh, if y'all would beat Pittsburgh that year, if Carson doesn't get hurt,

it's easy to say what would have happened without knowing the actual outcome. It's easy to say, this is what would have happened. Right. We don't know what would have happened. We know what did happen. But you're right. You're right.

I'm not surprised. I think a lot of people are surprised at Sean McDermott. But Ocho and I was talking about this, Joe, in October. And I told him, I said, he's on the hot seat. He's like, man, you think so all in postseason? I said, yeah, but he ain't got to the Super Bowl. And you got Josh Allen. Many believe he's a top three quarterback,

especially now that he has the MVP, another season in which he had 40 plus touchdown. That's five, six seasons in a row. He's had 40 combined touchdowns. And you haven't got to the Super Bowl yet. So I knew the writing was on the wall. Yeah. And it's funny.

And Joe, this is probably why I'm not a GM, probably why I'm not an owner. because they were always making it to the playoffs. To me, even though that's not where you want to be, but the fact that they're one of the few teams that would be in contention every year. So if we're not making the Super Bowl, but we're right there,

and knowing Coach McDermott is my head coach, one of these years, we're going to get over that hump. We're going to get over that hump. So now you change the head coach, but obviously you didn't go out, you didn't go out and get anybody new. You just, you have Joe Brady, who was already there.

So I'm assuming, even still, they're probably going to get there and it's all going to come down to Josh Allen and what he does in the postseason yet again. Absolutely. And normally it always does. That's why he makes the most money. That's why more times than that,

that's the guy that's the face of your franchise. So when that guy plays well, you see Drake May. He made a few more plays than what Gerristaidum made. You see Sam Darnold. He made a few more play. And that's what it comes down to.

And those big moments like that, Joe, it comes down to that. Hey, you want the ball in your best player's hand. Basketball, you want the ball in your best player's hand. Now, if we can force it out of your best player's hand and we can make an auxiliary, your second, third, or fourth best player take that shot, I can live with it if he makes it. I just can't deal with it if your best guy takes and makes that shot.

Right. Right, right. I think with Josh Allen, obviously, Uncle Ocho, y'all know as competitors, man, when you have a, when you're in the playoffs and you have a game the way he did, what do you have, he had, five turnovers? He had four turnovers. Yeah, and, yeah, so I like the accountability that he took because you know it hurts going into the summer, Uncle Ocho.

You got to deal with that pain and you keep replaying it in your head, man. If I could have just had maybe one turnover versus four or five, you know, maybe we can still be playing. so I understand that part because you don't get the chance to get that back until you start back playing. You know what I mean? And plus, Ocho,

we talk about the turnovers. He missed or throw that would have won him to gain. He had to tie in on the far close. Yes. He missed him. In the end zone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He missed it.

And he rushed it too. Yes. There was no need to rush it. And that's the thing. Not only did he have before turnovers, all the turnovers would have been forgotten if he makes that one throw. Makes that one throw.

And sometimes we talk about it. It's two or three plays that really determine the outcome of the game. The outcome of the game. You hit that throw, you turn the ball on four times. Ain't nobody talking about those four turnovers. Mm-hmm. Because you'll be playing next weekend. Everybody talked?

Yeah. I give you a prime example. Go back and look up that championship game, the catch by Joe Montana. See how many turnovers he had in that game. Go look at that. up what do you have four or five turnovers but don't nobody remember joe had that many i watched the game i know how many he had go back and see how many have does anybody mention the turnover that he

had in the nmc championship game oh joe joe all they talk about was what the catch the catch that throw yeah and really and truly he said i was trying to throw it away because i needed to get it over uh too tall who's six foot eight six foot eight six foot nine yeah so it doesn't mean it doesn't mean matter how bad you play, all that goes away if you make one play. What did Joe end up? I think he had three interceptions and a fumble. It's the 81 championship. And that was the end of the Cowboys.

I'm sorry, Joe. Come on, chill. You got to chill. But, and we've seen Tom have a couple of turnovers early. We've seen great quarterbacks have turnovers early. But we only remember the good. Right. You find it?

It's, and so all that, everything Josh said is true. He knows, he knows if he plays well, they win that game, and Sean McDermott is still, you okay.

See? Don't nobody remember that, though. Unless you watch the game. Right. How many, how many he had four? He had three picks. And a fumble.

Damn. But everybody remember the throw to catch. Who was that tight in number 87? Dwight Clark was a wide receiver. Rest of his soul, he's passed away. I think he had Luke Garrett. Oh. Okay.

Oh, Dwight. Yeah. They had Dwight Clark, Freddie Solomon. I think that was the year they ended up playing Cincinnati and 81 in Detroit. Yeah. We should have won next year. Errol Cooper. And then guess what?

Y'all played them again in 88, Ocho. We should have won that game. Lewis Billups had the game won. He dropped the pick. Remember, that was the game Jerry goes for 200. Yeah. Hey, Jerry, why? 49ers of the team turned the ball over six times.

We don't remember that. We don't remember that. And still won the game. Damn. Because why, Ocho? that throw and they went on it won the Super Bowl. So ain't nobody talking about no turnovers.

Right. But Josh, I love the fact that he's like, look, I got to bear a lot of responsibility on this. You know me? I've got to take better care of the football and when the opportunity presents itself, I've got to make that throw. Josh is too good not to make that throw.

That's not a difficult throw. That's not an Eli Manning and Mario Manningham throw, Ocho. Oh, that's not that kind of throw. It was simple. It seemed like I'm not sure why you rested. He had no pressure. And the tight end weren't wide open. I'm talking about, hey, Joe, the tight end,

he might have been too open. Too open, he's just sitting there chilling. That would have been an easy, easy six. It's just up, that is not a drop in the bucket because they're the underneath guy, but the bad guy was trailing. Tighten had done came clean. He had in between the both of them.

A lot of space. And he overshot him. Damn. Well. So we'll see if Joe Brady is the right guy is the right guy. I think he has a couple of years to get this thing turned around. They probably need some, they need a one. If, if AJ Brown is available, you got to go get him.

You got to go get him. Ooh. You got to. And you definitely need some. You know, feel he going to let him go? Huh? I know. I know.

It's been a little disgrunt to it over there in Philly with A.J. Brown, but man, you let him go what you're going to get in return. Okay, Ocho. You take, you take the draft capital. Because sometimes, you'll look. I think, I think for me,

just listen to A.J. Talk. Even after, even after being, what, a second team all pro, even after making a pro bowl winning the Super Bowl, he's like,

right. I don't feel what I thought I would feel. So I don't know what. what's going to make him happy. So at that point in time, and then let me ask you, now maybe, hey,

he's like, you know what, it ain't going to be better anywhere else, blah, blah, blah. And he says, I want to stay. But I think the thing is now, considering how it,

how it ended, I think it's best for the Eagles to go their way and AJ to go here. I told you. See, I told you, I told you.

I told you. I told you. I can see it now. Where there? You know, AJ on one side, Keon Coleman on the other, you know. Hey, Joe, I'm going to get Keon right this offseason. Come back with a whole different mentality. That's all to come down to up here.

Get that out of your way. Man, shoot, Keon Coleman and AJ Brown, they're going to be like Jamar chasing T. Higgins, boy. All right now. Yeah, I'm telling you. So we'll see what, uh, what, what Buffalo does as far as strangely what they do in the draft to finally be in a position, you know, hopefully you can get back to that position again.

You get back to the playoffs and say, because the thing is, there ain't no guarantee you get back to the playoffs. And if you do, there ain't no guarantee you'll be in a more favorite position than what you were. Yeah. And the chances of everybody being out and being hurt like this year, that's not likely. That's not likely. These, this was your best chance.

So next year, the year after, you're going to have to run the gauntlet, right? You got to beat them boys. Wee. Oh, Cho, Steph Curry answered the questions about Yonis trade rumors this week saying, we're not ignorant to what's going on around the league. Rumors trade talk and who's on the block. We've always had an expectation myself and Draymond on just knowing the conversation happening all the time.

I don't ever get into hypothetical. It's a waste of time. It's a waste of energy. It's not my job to do that. Mike Dunn leave it in the entire front office. I'm sure making calls. I'm sure they're taking looks and see what's going on. And if there's something material, something real, we have a conversation about it.

And the decisions are made. That's our process. It's always been that way. Golden State has long waited for Janus and the position to be a competitive offer. I don't know. Joe, do you see a scenario where Golden State has the pieces, the draft capital, to get a Janus? or it's going to be a bidding war. I think it's going to be a bidding war on the Ocho.

Maybe the Knicks or some other team. Yeah, I think it's going to be a bidding war, and I don't see the Warriors getting him. Because when you think about it, Jimmy Butler's hurt. Yep. So you can't, obviously, you can't trade him. And I don't know if Milwaukee,

if they have anything else that Milwaukee would like. No. Honestly, I don't really want to see, Yonis and Golden State. I don't want to see him in the West. I want to see him stay out east. Yeah. I wouldn't mind seeing him go to the Knicks or Miami.

I think, you know, it definitely helped with disparity in the league as far as keeping the talent spread it out. Right. Because that West is a gauntlet, man. It's going to be tough trying to come out there west. Okay, Ocho. Especially with your get back.

Yeah, yeah. Hey, Joe, you said you'd love to see. CMM in Miami, right? Is there a scenario, any type of scenario where they can keep BAM and have Yonnas too? I don't know. I think so. I don't think they want to get rid of BAM, but I don't know how they keep hero. I don't know how they keep where in that scenario, though, Joe.

Yeah, that's the thing. And I know they really like where. I think they really like where. I think Pat is not happy that hero seems to get nicked every year. and I think he's talked about that. He's a good player, but we need to be a good player for the entirety of the year,

not for three quarters of the season. Right. Hey, and, you honest, he fits that coach over there. That heat coached, hardworking blue-collar guys going to bring it every day. You know what I mean?

But I'm going to be honest. I really want to see him in New York, Uncle Ojo. I just, from a basketball standpoint, as a fan, You know, when New York is playing well and going deep into the playoffs, obviously it's great for the game.

And it'll help Yonis brand, plus it'll help the Knicks as well. I think they got some pieces on to where they can give up and make it happen. That's what I'm saying. But Joe, I'm going to need cats a given. But I'm going to need, I'm going to need, I'm going to need OG. I'm going to need either Josh Hart or I'm going to need, What's the other one name? Bridges.

I'm going to need one of them along with Cat, Macbryd, and draft picks. Now, I'm not saying I need all three of them, but I'm going to need one of them, Joe. Yeah, you can get like, you can get like Cat, OG, maybe McBride and some draft picks. Not three. Just make two, Joe. Come on. No, boy, that's y'all is. Hold on, you can get, you can get Cat and you can get McBride and then you get some draft picks.

I'm going to be one of the other one, Joe. You're not taking three of my players, now. Oh, oh, Cho, the man still got two years left on his contract. If I'm in Milwaukee, I ain't really in no rush to do nothing. Oh, you're going to be in a rush because you know who run the lead. The players actually run in the way he. Yeah, you're right. So he got this year and 26.

He'll free agent in 27. Joe, you know how the players are, Joe. If he say he won out, which he's not going to do publicly, you know then where to get him out. Yeah, I'm saying. But you, you, you, I'm just not going to take no anything now. You know, I need some conversations where we can still be. So I can be competitive because I'm not, the likelihood. I mean, think about it.

Kareem left in what? Kareem left for what, 70, 74, 75? And it took you to the 2011. So it took you 20 plus years to get another player. What's the likelihood you think you're going to get another, uh, uh, Kareem was a top 35, a top 35, a top 50 and a top 75 player. Yonis is the top 75 player. He'll be a top 100.

and so for the soul. What's the likelihood? You think you're going to get another one of those players in the very near future, Ocho? So I got to get a premium for him. Yeah. I mean, you ain't getting the premium from it because you're not getting equal values.

But I got to get something. Oh, okay, okay. I see what I mean, I can't get with my whole, I mean, that'll be the biggest mistake since Aesop gave his kingdom away for a horse. I mean, you try to be a jack of the beans, you want me to get this thing away from some jelly beans and hope they grow up.

Look. He, Yonis morphed into what he is, the day don't on that Ocho. Them first couple of years. He was rough. Yeah. Man, what? He wasn't nothing like this, Ocho. Yeah.

He was skinny. Like a little bean pole out there. Yeah. Y'all almost had him, Joe. Yonis. What you mean? He almost came to Atlanta. You know, the drive Pete.

Talk about the Hawks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But they not. to get Janice to come here. No, no, no, I'm saying when he was in the draft. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, you'd have to give up too much. They're going to want Jalen Johnson. They're going to want all that. They're going to want Alexander. They're going to want Alexander Walker. Yeah, we stop listening at the first name he said, Jaylon. Yeah, see, they're going to want that.

They probably going to want a Congru. They go, hey, they're going to want all that. And by that point, like, so what have we done? He back in. He's back in Milwaukee, he just happened to be in Atlanta. He further south. You've depleted your whole team. You didn't depleted your whole team.

And you probably ain't got but like two, maybe three years left with him. No, you didn't do that. For sure. So. But look, Steph's like, look, I don't really deal with. Y'all ain't been to get my hopes up. There'll be conversations. Just like a lot of other teams are trying to position themselves to be able to get one of the top five,

top six players in the NBA. Now, if and when, that becomes. I'm serious, I'm sure there are Joe and Mike Dumb Levy, they'll reach and Steve, they'll have a sit down conversation with me and say, what do you think? And I'll get, hey, I'll do this or that. It's really that simple. All this hypothetical and this could happen and that could happen. Let me know when Milwaukee says put your offer on the table. Because until then, until somebody tell you put the offer on the table, what are we doing? All you doing is burning my minutes. You know it's coming.

February 5th is right round of corner. And if it doesn't happen this summer, if it doesn't happen at the trade deadline, it's happening this summer, Joe. It's happening this summer. I think something, I think something. It's going to happen before the 10th. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He got, he got the remaining of this year, Ocho, and Joe, and then he's a free agent in 27. So theoretically, he only got one more year on his contract. Right. Yeah, so I think they want to go on probably get something done. What you think about them going to the Lakers? What are they going to give up? Austin Reeves.

Roy, Austin Reeves, uh, what else you can throw in now? Mark is smart? I don't know. I think you got to keep Markets smart because he's your best on-ball defender.

Or if I could get Yonis and L.A. and outside of Luca and LeBron, whoever I got to give up, I'm probably going to give up. Give up Aiton. Well, you're going to keep him. You're going to be playing three on five. We're playing that way now.

I don't know if you know. He's motor. His motor, his motor don't run. His motor, he don't run hot for me. I mean, I just can't. It's just his attitude. It's the lack of dazardness. Who?

Aid. He's telling my Aid. Oh, so you give it up Aiden too? Yeah. So Austin Rees, Aiden. It's going to take. It's going to take. the Rees, probably Roy.

That first pick, pick swaps, yes. Y'all are talking about trade LeBron. LeBron has a no trade. Okay, let me explain this to you. LeBron has a no trade clause. In order for you to trade LeBron, he would have to waive there.

Just like Bradley Bill did, he waived his no trade clause. Phoenix. Yes. And he ain't waving it to go He ain't waving it to go to Milwaukee. He ain't waiving it to go anywhere. Now, there's a possibility he might not be back

because I think he's going to have to take a pay cut to come back because if Austin Reeves is not dealt, they're going to sign Austin Reeves to probably $200 million, $2.30,000 something. So with that being said, you cannot trade a man. He was one of the two players that has a no trade clause. No other player in the NBA has that currently. One player, LeBron, not. Yokic, not Durant, not

a, uh, uh, uh, Greek freak, Janice, nobody, shea, name a player, only LeBron has a no trade clause. So that's pie in the sky that's wishful thinking. He ain't waving it to go to y'all think that man going to wave his no

trade to go to Milwaukee. After he, after he came from Cleveland. Man, listen, there's much, that's must see TV if you can get Janus and Brian on the same team. That's not fair. But that's going to cause problems, though, Joe.

What you mean? The goddamn Luca ball dominant and Yonis ball dominant. So who the hell going to bring that bitch? No. Well, Luca and LeBron can handle the ball. LeBron has done a great job of playing out the ball. LeBron is not really on the ball anymore. Mainly the two ball handlers have been Luca and A.R.

A.R. has been out. And so LeBron has been on the ball a little more. But even though he's conceded some of that to market smart. I agree. And if you're honest and you do get, and you do get a chance to be in that situation, Ocho. Yeah. Obviously, you won't have a ball as much in your hands

because you can do so many other things. Right. It's kind of like when KG went to Boston, you know, they forced fed him in Minnesota, but when he got to Boston, he won a defensive player the year, all that. You know what I mean? Because he locked in on the defensive side

and he said, look, we got Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, those guys offensively can get off. I'm going to get minds, but at the same time, I'm going to lock in defensively, shut my man down, be the anchor defensively. And I think Yonnas can do that same thing. I think he can be an anchor defensively.

And the Lakers need that, man. They need that interior presence, shot blocking. And then when you get the rebounds, he can bust out, push it on a fast break and create opportunities and plays not only for himself,

but the guys around him. That would be a great situation, actually. How tall Yonis is? 6.11. 6.11, 7 foot. What? Yeah, man. Cheat code.

We're a whole cheat code out here. So he liked Casey basically. I mean, I'm talking about heightwise. Yes. Yes. And you got to realize Boston was outstanding defensively because they had Tony Allen, they had KG,

guys that were really lock in and play defense. That was their whole thing. This is what we're going to do. And, you know, KG came from averaging anywhere from about 25. And then when he got the bossing, he was still averaging about 20 and 12. But, you know, his points dipped a little bit, but his defense picked up. Because he didn't have to focus on offense. He had to focus on offense in Minnesota.

Right. Ocho, you don't know what to do with that, man. Chill out. Hey, Joe. And y'all talking basketball, y'all got me hype, what? And y'all got me hype. Oh, Joe, shout out to step. of the baddest speech writer of them all,

a short film co-directed and produced by Steph Curry, won the short film grand prize jury at the Sundance Film Festival this week. If I'm not mistaken, I think it's going to be the last time that it's going to be held at Sundance is going to be in Wyoming, right? But it's moving it, I think they're moving at the Boulder. Because that's what

Robert was the rest of the show. I think that's what he founded back in the 70s, but I think this is the last year that it's going to be. Huh? I'm sorry, Ash. would I have free time I be reading Carl Anthony Tiles say he isn't bothered by being mentioned in trade discussion

with the books about Yannis. I feel like I've been in trade rumors a lot for a lot of times for a year damn near. That don't matter to me. I don't look at social media or none of that stuff. I focus on the job at hand, which is trying to get wins every single night. As long as I do that, I do my job,

I go home happy, I feel accomplished. I'm not worried about what anybody got to say or people right or anything like that. He's taking a step back this evening in 44 games. He's averaging 20 points, 11.6 rebounds, three assists. Ocho, Joe, Joe, gentlemen, let you send it. You think Kat is in decline? He's starting to show some decline?

I don't want to say decline, because, you know, when I watch him play, obviously he had nights to where he looked spectacular, but then he had some nights to where he's, like, in single-digit points. it's almost like, you know, it's almost like he's just not giving the effort. But I think he's still a great asset to the team. They got so many guys who can put up numbers from OG to McHale Bridge, is obviously Brunson. So they don't need him to carry that low night in and night out.

But they do need him defensively, you know, locked in on whoever it is. When do they do that? I know, I'm just saying. Okay. I would just ask it. Yeah, he averaging 11 rebounds. But that's what I'm saying, you know, he can say that this doesn't bother him,

but he's human, man. Yeah, of course. You hear these whispers. Yeah, you hear these whispers. You hear all the stuff that's going on around you. Right. And we try to act like it don't bother us, but it does, bro.

It does. So you think him hearing those rumors, Uncunjo? And you think if it does bother me, you think it affects his game too? I don't know if it affects his game. game. But as a

player, you definitely hear the Wisters, bro. You know, if you want to be in New York, obviously. Yeah, who wants to lead New York and go to Milwaukee? Oh, man. He ain't got nothing but the Harley Davidson playing.

Who riding motorcycles? Can't have to get a special motorcycle for them long-ass legs? Right. And he's from that area, too. Yeah, Cam from Jersey, yes. He home. Yeah.

Just got engaged and everything. He didn't really try. out of route the family and go to Milwaukee. No son. No son. The team don't care about that. But you have to understand. Not if they can get better.

Of course. And Janus is an upgrade. There ain't a whole lot of players that Janus is an upgrade from. Right. Yeah. Right. But you have to look. When Kat was the de facto guy,

cat go get you 25. But then Ant Man came, and now he ain't the best player anymore. He goes to New York. He ain't the best player. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. My ass. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I think a lot of people, especially Knicks fans,

they just want to see Kat assert himself, you know, a little more than what he's doing. Instead of just selling for jump shots, you know, every night being a seven-foot center, Uncle Ojo, who's shooting. Probably more threes than anybody in the league. Yeah. They want him to get on their block.

They want him to cause mismatches so they can create opportunities for these other guys. That's what the riff is about for real. Damn. It's, uh, look, when you in New York, what are they known for? They had big guys,

they had a Willis Reed. Bang. You had oak and you had a mason. You had Charles Smith. They like grit. They tough. Cat game ain't really, ain't New York. I know you think New York,

you think Broadway, you think Madison Avenue, and you think, oh, mm-mm. They want you to bump and grind down now. And that ain't cat game. I've come to the realization, Joe, I think you finally come to the realization. Cat ain't really tried to do the bump.

Now, hey, back in the 70s, that was a day. I don't know if you remember the bump. Yeah, yeah. What you, I know about it. I ain't gonna bump no more with no big fat woman. What are you doing the bun, I'm doing the butt? No, that's the bump.

Oh, what you're doing the bump? That's the bump, Joe. Hey, Joe, I used to do the bump at the prom, at the prom. At the prom, if you know, we played the oldies at the prom. Yeah. Yeah. The bustle, do the hustle. But that's a, that's, but that's not his game.

And at some point in time, Joe, how long kept being in a league? A decade cat been in a league about 10 years, ain't it? Maybe a little more. Probably about 11. Yeah. Ooh. Yeah. And so at this point, you are what you are.

To ask him to be something that he hasn't been in his previous 11 years and to say, now this is what we need you to do. It's just hard. It's just hard for him to do it. Yeah. It's just not in his makeup. No, he's a finesse, he's an outside. He don't want, hey, he don't want that ugly.

He don't want that, Joel and B going to bump. I think, you know, there are times I think Joel and B shoot too many threes. Yeah. Hey, get on that block like Yoke. Yoke get somebody down there, oh, he's punishing. But he got a different type of bag though, huh?

Yoke got a completely different type of bag than got damn cat. So he's willing to get down on that block. And got about 32 different tools in the toolbox, he can, eh. Hello. Hello. He, man. Yo, nice with it. Yo, his ankle messed up, right?

His knee. He hyper extended it. Oh, yeah. Hey, when you hyper extend your knee and you get up, right? Joe, it feels like it's, it feels like spaghetti. Like it's no support there. I remember, I remember that feeling, boy. Mm-hmm.

So Joe you be Joe you are heard trade rumors so so when you hear it you like man I'm just going to play my game it's going to happen whatever it happened but when you hear it and the reporters come to you every day well Joe have you heard about this and what are your thoughts about this does it does it get annoying or does you like well damn I'm out here bawling my ass off of y'all want you trying to get rid of me the times I got traded on it was in the summertime. both times and it was, you know, when I left Phoenix to come to Atlanta, it was, you know, it was time for me to get a new contract. So it was a sign and trade deal. Okay, okay. Yeah, you, you welcome that because you won't, you won't, you want to finish the trade. You want that bag now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm trying, I'm trying to get that bag. But when I got here to Atlanta to, and got traded to Brooklyn, you know, I was called totally out guard. I got a call from Darien Williams, who was playing for the Brooklyn Nets already. Oh, the point guard. Yeah, he called me Ocho one day.

He said, hey, it's like in July. He's like, hey, what you think about coming out here playing in Brooklyn? I'm like, bro, where are you getting this from? He was like, he was like, just what did you think about it. I said, well, you know, it's whatever. That's what they're going to do. That's what they're going to do. And two days later, without me talking to the team, without the team calling me,

obviously we had just brought some new people in the front office like Danny Ferry. Danny Ferry came into the front office. I remember Danny. And he didn't, he was poker face. He wasn't telling nobody, none. Like, he never spoke to me or talked to me, period. I was the first person he traded. And that was it.

So, you know, that's kind of how it happened. But during the season, I've never really heard trade room was during the season. But yeah, it affects you, bro. Because at the end of the day, like, like, Aungsa, you know, you got to uproot yourself. And now you got to go somewhere else and try to establish yourself. So, I mean, obviously, it's the nature of the business. And this is what we signed up for. But at the same time, you're thinking, like,

Damn, I got to start all over. I got to learn these new dudes again. I got to learn this coaching staff again. I got to learn this different organization and how it's being ran. So, yeah, it's a lot that comes in to play with that. Joe. Why the truth say he'd been locking LeBron down

in that Eastern Conference when he played Miami and LeBron put 49? Who said that? Paul Pierce, the truth. Paul, Paul. Hey, Paul funny, boy. Hey, he's a special individual, bro. But there ain't nobody, like I said,

they had a great defensive team that year. But to stop LeBron, maybe you can contain him a little bit, but if he's going 40, 45, 49 points, man, you ain't stopping nothing, man. You know, he's going to get hills. You just got to hope those other guys around him don't get this. He's like, man, I've been playing LeBron.

Hey, I'm LeBron stopper. LeBron says, okay, stop this. They say, hey, look, because Uncle Ocho, you know, know that Boston Celtics team with Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce,

they kind of, they kind of sent Brun to Miami because he knew he couldn't win in Cleveland playing against that big three. Led by Rondo as well. So that's what he's really talking about. You know, like, man,

we sent him on. We canceled all that. But when he got the, when he got to Miami, he had some cobbled player, you ain't seen him home. What's up? No, sir.

Hey, they had some epic battles. Oh, yeah. But they had them. Because remember in game, in game five, they beat, they beat Miami in Miami. And KG and Paul Pierce says he ain't coming back here because game six was in the garden.

The broad said y'all will be right back here for game seven. Watch. That boy lost his mind in the garden. Brun did. They game six. 45 and 15. I'm talking about it wasn't, it ain't just a 45-Ocho.

It was a lot. Yeah, it was how he got it. It wasn't just like he had 20 free-thold Man, what we were getting to the money, you're me? Yeah. Yes, uh. And you know, Braun remind me of myself a little bit in high school, boy. Joe, go ahead tell him to cut it out.

Yeah, he already, you know what? I don't know what's wrong with him. No, I'm just saying, I'm just reminiscing on, you know, some of the time when I used to play basketball, Joe, that's all. Yeah. Yeah, you know, you lose it after a while, when you're not, when you haven't done it in a long time? Yeah. Yeah, sometimes the muscle memory would come back. Sometimes it don't, Joe. It didn't because we saw you shooting them trash cans.

It ain't coming back. Yeah, I mean, I mean, let's, hey, I told you I wasn't dressed right. I wasn't dressed probably so I really couldn't extend like I wanted to. I couldn't get my form together. My t-shirt was tight. The jacket was heavy. And you, hey, hey, and you were playing against a bad moot for at the end of the day. At the end of the day.

Hey, Joe, there you go. I'm just, I ain't bringing it up. I brought it up. Joe, there you go. I'm brought it up. I'm just saying. Now I'm brought it up. It's okay.

And so, hey, Joe, let me know your knee right, though. Let me know your knee right. Oh, Joe. Huh. My knee, my knee, hey, it's getting better and better by the day. Okay, I hope so. Because I want you to do me a small favor, right? What's up?

Like, remember Pro versus Joe's? Yeah. I think we need to go ahead and have a one-on-one, Joe. Me and you? Yeah. We can do that. That's love it. Yeah.

Now, not, we, we need to make that with them episode two. And when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I,

when I, when I, when I, when I go to 11 and you get this work, I don't want to hear nothing. No more, no more trash talking about,

you know, you, this is what I do, Joe. I'm gonna talk you out. I'm gonna talk you out your game anyway. Okay, I, look,

I ain't, I ain't gonna chew the fat with them all night, but that's what I want you all to do. Y'all can say it up about March or April, I'll be 100% by the end. Yeah. And Ocho, if you want me to, I'll come to Miami.

We can go, we can go to the Miami Heat facility. Oh, yeah. I mean, no, Pat, hey, Patty, let me in. Mickey, there, let me in. Don't do that. Don't do that. And we can look over the water as we're in a practice facility. Yes, sir.

And I'm giving you this work. You hear me? Oh, here you go. But that's how it's going to go. Here you go. Hey, Joe, I don't care what you do. Hey, Joe, I'm a three-level score, Joe. You can back me down.

You can do whatever you want to do. everything is a green light for you. Joe, pretend as if I'm an NBA player. And I guarantee you, I put that on, I put that on, I'm trying to think what I can put it on. Yeah, because you know you've been the lie. All right.

But listen, hey, listen. I got one thing to say. I got one thing to say. If you think what I did in New York was something. Oh, she, they, they, they, I don't, hey. Every, every, every, every chance you get, you're going to bring up New York, huh?

I'm just saying, I'm saying, if you think that performance in New York or something, boy, wait until you see what I'm doing you, all right. All right. Hey, remember, hey, you, hey, make sure all the talk are you doing, make sure you're able to back it up.

Oh, come on now. All right. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, Joe, you do it, you're doing a bit much now. Hey, hey, he's way too much. I didn't, I didn't even bring it up, guys. I didn't bring it up. No, I just, you just, you just say.

You know this dad on Joe, he all innocent now. I ain't break it up. Hey, hey, he throw the rock and he hired his hand. Huh? You throw the rock and you hide your hand. What you? All right. What's I want from me?

What y'all want from me? Hey, I just want that one-on-one. I'm going to get it. Hey, you're doing too much talking for me. All right. Okay. What's up? It's Cam Jordan.

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