Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Purdy wants $50M, McCarthy out in DAL, Vrabel headed to NE

Episode Date: February 5, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from the NFL season including, San Francisco 49ers QB thinks he's worth at least $50M, the Dallas Cowboys part ways with Mike McCarthy, Mike Vrabel is the next New England Patriots HC and more!03:43 - Christian McCaffrey suffered potentially season-ending injury05:44 - Josh Allen making NFL history with a touchdown09:48 - Dak Prescott defends Mike McCarthy12:18 - Brock Purdy wants $50 Million14:17 - The MVP race is not over23:14 - Atlanta has a new starting quarterback: Michael Penix Jr.28:00 - Fans panic over Tyreek Hill social media post31:38 - The quarterbacks weren’t the problem with the Panthers34:31 - Brock Bowers sets a rookie record36:53 - Unc is hype about his Broncos…and roasts Ocho about his Bengals44:36 - Mike McCarthy and Cowboys part ways51:14 - Deshaun Watson undergoes second surgery58:00 - Mike Vrabel to the Patriots(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's the fifth time the Eagles have made the Super Bowl and their second appearance in the last three years. Kyle Shanahan said Christian McCaffrey suffered a potentially season-ending PCL injury. Wait, that was non-contact. Or was it previously when he got tripped up? You think it happened previously? They showed that play, but you knew as soon as like that knee buckle, when he took off, you could see that knee buckle.

And then he like gave himself up. So you knew something. I was like, damn, did the Achilles, did the calf go? But Kyle Shanahan just said at his press conference, Christian McCaffrey suffered a potentially season ending. It's over. It'll make any sense. He missed it. He just had the

plan. I think it was his right. I think it was his right one. No, he had a calf injury that led into his Achilles. And the thing, Ocho, and you know the thing is that, what do we say all the time if you

limp into the season oh you limping out of it how you gonna get healthy during the season it's impossible the the number one thing when anybody have surgery or anybody have an injury what do they tell you the most important thing oh joe. How do you get rest? They working the dog crap out of you. Listen, they do. I'm just saying, they can only take you so much because in order to get you back to the playing speed and get you acclimated to game tempo,

you got some type of work. You got to work because once they put you out there, you got to put that work. It's a firing. Hey, them boys moving. Them boys are moving. Damn. I'm sad.

Josh Allen's next touchdown will make Buffalo Bills history. With his next touchdown, rushing or passing, Allen will become the Bills' all-time leader in touchdowns, surpassing the great Jim Kelly. Allen has been the best quarterback in December since 2020. In that span, he's first in total touchdowns, passing touchdowns, and wins. That's live. Look, I hate it.

I hate it because the Broncos could have had him. Yeah. The Broncos should have drafted him. And if I'm not mistaken, they drafted Bradley Chubb to pair with Vaughn Miller. Two outside linebackers. You can keep Vaughn and get a quarterback. Mm-hmm. You got to have that guy.

You got to have him. I don't care how many grids your defense is. You better have a quarterback. You think maybe they didn't like what they saw? Coming out of Wyoming, right? No, am I wrong? Yeah. I think small sample size too, if I'm not mistaken, huh?

Yeah. You know. Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes scouts miss. Sometimes you overthink it, don't you? I mean, you took Bross Osweiler. You take Paxton Lynch. You taking guys like that.

Guys that are not even if you just say, you know what? He's not the most accurate. His ability to run the football. That's what makes him. You talk about a man that's 250 pounds that can run like he can run. In fact, whatever whatever discrepancies you might have with his game, especially from a throwing standpoint,

we can work on that. We can work on that. Look at the foundation you have to work with and build with. You can take it from there. Look how he's turned out in Buffalo. He has the arm because in order to play in the state of Buffalo,

you got to have an arm because guess what? The Jets, they play outside. New England, you play outside. So you put him in Denver, you're outside. Kansas City is outside. You really need arm because a lot of the teams that you're going to potentially face, Kansas outside Baltimore outside, uh,

the Steelers outside Buffalo outside. So your quarterback is going to have to be able to deal with the elements because in those, uh, uh, uh, such stadium, not only does it get cold,

the wind blows. So you might have, Oh, Joe, you might have snow gust and bone, bone, bone crunching, crunching cold. I'm talking about 10 below, 15 below, with gust up to 20, 30 miles an hour. I sure wish we'd have drafted him, but we're not going to get him now because Buffalo won't let him go. We're not getting him.

But I like old Bo. We got old Bo. Bo playing real well, very well for a rookie. I'm not sure if it's Bo Nix or if I'm not sure, it's the quarterback whisperer in Sean Payton, but somebody doing something right over there. I don't care what it is. Just keep on winning.

I'm going to get me some more money. Hold both. Yeah, you know they got to play the Bengals, right? Don't you worry about that. Don't you got Frist and Fry tomorrow? Who y'all play tomorrow? Damn, who do we play? Oh, we play the Steelers.

We finna win that game. We play the Steelers. Oh, yeah, that's him. We play the Steelers. Oh, yeah, that's L. We play the Steelers. Can y'all see that chat? L. We play the Steelers. You won't bet none.

L, L. You won't bet none. I asked. I'm about to be... Ocho, you owe me so much money now, man. Damn. Whatever I owe you, I'm going to pay you when we get to the tour in February at Super Bowl. Dak defended Mike McCarthy said, I wholeheartedly believe in him.

Dak thinks McCarthy deserves another contract. He also said he would help McCarthy if he had more influence on the team's development. But McCarthy said he's confused by Dak's comments. According to Clarence Hill, the Cowboys coach McCartney said he had the most input he's ever had as head coach. Oh, Lord have mercy. Coach compared to Green Bay. He is not sure what Dak meant by needing him influence on his terms.

We know Mike McCarthy does not have. He he's a head coach entitled only for those that understand the game of football for those who know about when it comes to being the coach of the dallas cowboys organization with their sternal helmet there's one person that runs the show and it's not the head coach and it's always always been that way you have no pool you know exactly what that meant by the words that he said yes and i'm not i'm taking that what he said with a grain of salt because guess what he said he wanted scott lenehan he said he wanted kelly kelly moore he said he wanted jason garrett he said he wanted this one and he wanted that one so what's he supposed to say nah i want mike want Mike McCall. I want another head coach.

I want another play caller. Of course he's going to say all the right things. Because if you go back and check his track record, Ocho, he said the exact same thing about every offensive coordinator, about every head coach that he's had. I mean, you have to. You have to. He has to be PC.

He's a quarterback. He's the face of the franchise no matter what. So he has to say all the right things. It's like he's gonna come out and go against you know his head coach i mean come on no no no it shouldn't but i'm saying for him to say mike let me ask you a question do you have any say on the final 53 do you have any say in free agency do you have any say in the draft so if that's the case so i'm just trying to figure out what do you mean you have some say? Wait, didn't he say he had more say, more control,

more say than he had in Green Bay? Yeah, I disagree. Maybe, Ocho, maybe at the end, maybe at the end, he didn't have the same amount of say, but it's hard for me to believe throughout his entire tenure that he had more say in Dallas than he had in Green Bay.

You know what that get, right? Huh? Chop. That's what that get. You know damn well. Well, see, now, by saying that, you know you take some of the onus off Jerry, so we can't blame Jerry fully. So Jerry can say, oh, see, he went out there and said that he had some say.

Let's get his ass up out of here because we losing. Brock Purdy reportedly seeking a contract. Whoa, oh, see, he went out there and said that he has some say. Let's get his ass up out of here because we lose it. Brock Purdy reportedly seeking a contract. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He don't need to talk about no contracts right now. At all. But go ahead. All I know is I ain't getting nowhere near no $50 million. I'll give you one of them $35, $40 million.

What you think he gonna say to that? No? Okay. Guess what? We'll put you on a what you call it for two years. Oh, he gonna bet on himself like Kirk Cousins did? Yes. Okay, let him bet.

You always hear the story of everybody betting what about them snake eye stories there's a reason why those windows don't open in Vegas you notice that Ocho you in the casino don't none of the rooms open

those windows don't open duty you ever ask yourself why these rooms don't open? I want to get some fresh air. Talk your talk. You ain't finna take the easy way out. You know what? They might

have no choice but to pay Purdy. Because, listen, you don't want to pay him what he worth or what the market says he should be paid. Where else you going at the quarterback position? You have no one to replace him. You don't have no choice. I'm not paying him no $50 million.

Listen, they had a choice not to pay Daniel Jones. Yes, you do got a choice. Okay, what did they pay? What did Tampa play Baker Mayfield? 40. Okay, okay. 33. Three years, 100 million. He should have a

Baker Mayfield type contract. Okay, okay, okay. 33. Three years, 100 million. So you're saying he should have a Baker Mayfield-type contract. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, that's feasible. That's feasible. I'm not sure he would even complain about that. He would. I'm not giving him no 50 million. That ain't happening.

I don't know. That quarterback position is very, very, very, very important. And sometimes if you want it bad enough, you will overpay for it. No, MVP is not over. It is not over. And that's why I always advise people, and I used to vote for a decade. I had a vote.

I voted for the MVP. I voted for the All-Pro team. I voted for the awards, you know, Offensive Player of the Year, Defense, and so forth and so on. And I waited to the very end, and I took it serious. And obviously, you know, being in the studio,

you get an opportunity to watch all the games. I ain't just watching highlights. I'm watching because that's why I felt very comfortable. I took it serious. I'm not just going by – excuse me, guys. I'm not just going by names because I think the All-Pros team is serious because you talk about the best players regardless of conference so i'm just your name your name means nothing nothing i'm i'm based on play that year i'm not

trying to take away the uh the all pro teams that you got selected on before that's not what i'm trying to do but if i don't feel you deserving of that that that honor this year i'm not voting for you it's really that simple. But Lamar, and I said this, I said, y'all got to look at Lamar's stats. I mean, the man has 37 touchdowns, four picks, and then you throw in his rushing

total, so he's 40 touchdowns with like six or seven turnovers. You look at his passing numbers, that's what Aaron Rodgers was doing when he was winning MVP. Throwing 40-plus touchdowns with single-digit interceptions. That's what he's doing.

Now, I do think, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but hold on, he got a guy that rushed for 1,600 yards in his backfield. So what are we going to do with that? Right. And so I think that, you know, his numbers are his numbers. Now, right now, if I had a vote, I probably would vote for Lamar. Right. I would vote for Lamar.

Is your vote swayed because of the performance that Josh Allen had today? Yeah, just like it was swayed when Lamar number lost, just like it was swayed when he played against Pittsburgh. Remember? He didn't play well. This week he came back and he played better. And you look at the last couple of weeks, Josh Allen had like 10 touchdowns in two games.

How can it not? But we got to be fair. We got to evaluate it on what we see. They got two games. How can it not? But we got to be fair. We got to evaluate it on what we see. They got two games left. I do believe Lamar Jackson can win. It'd be interesting to see. I bet those odds for Josh Allen winning the MVP ain't what they started today. I bet you that.

What are the odds now, Anthony? Well, he started at minus 900 today, right? I think he started at minus 900 a day right i think he started at minus 900 you know what i don't like i don't like the fact that when it comes to the mvp award it's an individual accomplishment but when it comes to what's necessary to win it as far as the team's success as well they take that into account as well because if we were talking about mvp from a statistical standpoint in stats i look at joe burrow and

always ask myself well why is he not in the conversation and then everyone says well the team itself is losing so therefore he's not in the you know he's yeah i mean i mean he go i mean there's a chance i mean he doesn't make the playoffs. You're never going to get the MVP on the guy that didn't make the playoffs. Right, right, right. I understand. But, no, and that's the thing. I think Joe has had a phenomenal season. Now, had they had a record similar to Lamar's

or they had a record similar to Josh Allen's, now we got a whole different discussion. Yes. Yes. But I mean, the guy, the guy was, what is the seven and eight?

Can be really tough. I know. I know it's tough, but, but again, that's why I just said how the goalposts move when it comes to discussion on a, on a, on a trophy that's based on individual accomplishment

and accolades on what you've done individually. Right. So using the team's success as a reason why you can't be in the conversation, it throws me off just a tad bit. Because at the end of the day, what do those stats mean if you're not winning? Because at the end, and this is what I used to argue with, with, uh, with my cohost, uh, my partner on first on, uh, undisputed, I say it's still a stat award. You're not good. You go 15 and O and you got 3000 yards passing and another guy goes 10 and

six and he's got 5,000 yards passing and 40 touchdowns. And you got 3000 yards and 20 touchdowns. You're not winning that award. Go back and look. Look at all those years Drew Brees was throwing for 5,000 yards. How many MVPs did he win? You're right. Yeah, it's a stat award, but I need those stats to equate the wins. Right.

So if I'm piling up a bunch of stats, Ocho, and I ain't getting no wins, people are going to be like, oh, bro, well, hell, you behind. All you're doing is you stat padding. Right. Because none of those numbers goes towards wins. Right.

Like I said, y'all don't believe it. Go back and look at Drew Brees and look how many, I think he got four, five, 5,000-yard passing season. But when you're losing, how can I give you an award like that? Because your stats doesn't equate to wins. Lamar's stats is equating to wins. Jared Goff, although he doesn't have an outstanding day today, you look at Josh Allen. His numbers equates to wins.

Saquon, his numbers equates to wins. But I think the only thing that's really hurting lamar is that he got a 16 almost a 1700 yard rush in his backfield right who's averaging five and a half yards of carry he's got 13 14 rushing touchdowns when i think about it you know chat y'all might not like this. And, Unc, you might not like this. I mean, Joe Burrow hasn't been in the conversation for MVP all season long because of our record. Yes. Right?

Correct. But these last two games, these last two games, after we beat the Broncos on Saturday, I'm telling you right now, I'm letting you know right now, you know, Patrick Sertain, Jr., you got to deal with Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. So, add Bo Nix, ain't nothing. You're going to get nixed. That's what's going to happen. Well, I figure y'all don't know. We're going to go into Pittsburgh the following week. We're going to win that game.

And then when we make it and we have an opportunity to go into the playoffs, because the football guys happen to bless us, that MVP conversation is going to have to change. There's a good chance, Ocho. It's going to hurt. Y'all beat the Broncos and then lose the final game of the season. It's going to hurt. That's going to hurt.

Oh, that's going to hurt, Ocho, so bad, because I know you're going to be happy. What did I tell you? Look, I told you. And y'all lose that. Oh, but that thing gonna hurt. That thing gonna hurt like Stardew State brand new shoes.

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Listen to Ali and Me, now on Audible. The Michael Penix Jr. will take over the starting quarterbacking job from kirk cousins the number eight pick in the nfl draft pennies will make his debut as the nfl starter sunday against the giants in atlanta raheem moore said there was a football decision and we're fully focused on preparing the team for sunday night game against the giants pennies jr revealed he found out when he's getting falcons that he was getting the falcons starting gig while shopping at Costco for a hot dog. Do you like the move, Ojo? I love it.

Even with them still having an opportunity, I think they think they need to make a change. They need to make a change, get that offensive spark, give that team a spark. I think it was smart by the coach to make the decision. I'm excited to see what Pinnock can do, obviously being somewhat of a dual-threat quarterback as opposed to Kirk Cousins, who was somewhat stationary. He has to play better. He knows he has to play better. The last, what, four, last two or three games, you can't.

You can't play that kind of football. You just can't. You can't turn the ball over like that and put your team in harm's way and expect yourself to compete, let alone even have a chance at winning the game, playing the quarterback position, that goddamn bad. Like, that was bad. That was very bad. I thought that he

would, like, keep the job. Ocho, for the simple fact, there's still a game behind. But they're like, look, the Giants coming in, it's just as good a time as any. Make that change. But think about it. Kirk Cousins is going to make $62 million this year.

He's got another $38 million coming in next year. That's guaranteed. Either way. Well, yeah, they're going to bring it back. They're going to bring it back. But can you imagine sitting on the bench next year behind Penning Jr. Oh, no, no. You can't have no guy making $38 million. But can you imagine sitting on the bench next year behind Penning Jr. Making. Oh, no, no.

You can't have you can't have. You can't have no guy making 38. What are you going to be at? What are you going to think? They can't. They can't. They can't cut it. You got to try.

You got to try to trade him and you might have to take some of that salary on. But you can't have it. They have to pay most of the salary like the Broncos are doing with Russell Wilson. And I. Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean, where else do you see him fitting in? Where else do you see where a quarterback is in dire need of a quarterback, especially with quarterbacks coming out to grab this year?

The Giants, the Raiders. The Giants, the Raiders. There's two. Now, they're probably going to be in the market to select one. But what's to stop them from the Giants and the Raiders from doing what the Broncos, what the Atlanta did? Bring his ass in, draft a quarterback, and then make... Okay. Okay.

That means they would be bringing Kurt in on a one-year deal, if anything. Well, if you trade for him, you got the remaining deal. I mean, it was a four-year deal, like $100 million like 180 million dollars for it was 45 million a year now the question is ocho i mean cleveland needs a quarterback um i'm trying to think who else needs a quarterback lc south lc west lc wait a minute whoa wait wait a minute wait you talk about cleveland needs a quarterback when the sean watson comes back and he's in it from his injury, he will be the starter next year. You know how much dead cap money that,

you know, that is guaranteed. But eat it. If he ain't producing his dead cap money, let's be real. We have real conversation here. If, if he's going to only going to give them the production that he's given them

since he's been there. I got you. I got you. I'm listening. I'm with you. You're right. Where's the value in that? Look,

I just, I'm, I'm, I'm going to say I'm surprised, but it, it just goes to show you that they're this close and and they'll gain back, and if they beat Tampa, if they beat Tampa, let's just say they beat Tampa, they sweep Tampa, they got the same record,

that means they win the division. For them to be this close and they make this move, it lets you know just how bad Cousins will play. Yeah, I mean, shit, hell, goddamn Ray Charles can see how bad Kirk Cousins is playing. You can't turn the ball over like that and expect to win and compete. It's important. And the Titans need a quarterback too, Ocho.

The Titans. Oh, man. Hey, Unc. Hey, Unc. I feel sorry for Will Levis. Why? I feel sorry for the Titans fans. I'm serious.

When you look at young Bull, man, and you look at his makeup, you look at his DNA, his stature, and the eye test in general, you know, the arm strength and what he's able to do, you know, being able to run the ball as well. He looks like a Josh Allen. He doesn't play like one.

He has all. Yeah, he looked like Josh Allen. He played like Woody Allen. It's time for me to go, Coach Tyreek. Without punctuation, Dolphins fans panicked, wondering if he was telling Mike McDaniel if it's time to leave Miami. Well, Tyreek said today, what I meant was, when he said it's time for me to go, Coach, meaning that he wants to see you guys, Teddy Bridgewater.

Meaning what? When we see guys, Teddy Bridgewater. Meaning what, when we see guys like Teddy Bridgewater, you see guys like Michael Vick getting head coaching job, it's like, bro, I want to be a coach also when I'm done playing. You know what I'm saying? Oh, it's time for me to go coach. Oh, yeah. Okay.

Okay. I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it. That, that. Reek, everybody ain't cut out to be I get it. I get it. Reek, everybody ain't cut out to be coached, bro. Hey, listen. I love Vic. I love Prime. Eddie George.

I love them boys. But to play a game all my life, all my life, and understand what it took to get to where I did and then retire and then go right back into that. You have to have a love and passion for the game and coaching and patience and understanding that no matter the amount of hours you put in sometimes it's just not enough and you don't get the results based on the work you put in

I can't I couldn't do it yeah yeah I mean I can see how people were thinking like it's time for me to go coach and so

he was saying it's time for me to go coach in the so he was saying, it's time for me to go coach in the literal sense. I need to go coach. I need to be a coach. I see Vic. I see Prime. I see others doing it. I want to do that also.

People, you know, look, Tyreek has not had the season that he had hoped for. Tua being out had a great impact on that. He's probably not going to make the pro ball. How close is he to 1,000 yards?

I mean, it's going to be a long time. I mean, he's going to have to go off. Does he have 700 yards receiving? I think he only has maybe one or 200 receiving yard games, did you?

He has 805 touchdowns. So he needs 195 over the last three games, Ocho. Yeah, he'll get that. And two of his, what, four or five games, huh? Yeah, he'll get that. But the thing is, Ocho, I mean, when you look at pro bowlers, I mean, the only two I can think of in the AFC off the top of my head is Chase and Judy.

Yeah. There's a third, though, right? There's a third. Well, you take four. But I'm trying to think. I mean, when we look at the AFC, we take what's Nico Collins? How many yards did Nico Collins have? I think he missed a game.

He had a hamstring. I think he missed about three or four. If you go AFC, he got 849. So, Nico Collins, because how many touchdowns did he have? Six. Okay. All of them are going to get – they're going to reach 1,000. Right.

Chase, you're going to get about – But the Pro Bowl vote – I mean, the Pro Bowl is about to reach 1,000. Chase, you're still going to get 1,000. The Pro Bowl is about to be announced next week. At some point, based on name alone, he might still get that nod. Yeah.

Carolina had Sam Donald and they have Baker Mayfield I don't know if y'all know but Baker Mayfield got like 4 or 5 games where he's thrown 4 touchdowns this year now he threw 5 today with over 300 yards Sam Darnold threw 3 today he's thrown 35

touchdowns which is the third most for a Viking so so clearly these guys can play for a Viking. So, clearly, these guys can play given the right sort of circumstances. Now, look, they were

devoid of talent. They didn't have this level of talent in Carolina. So, you have to take, look, I'm not saying that it's all Carolina fault, but Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, you look at what they got in Tampa now, even though Chris Godwin has gone down, they still have quality receivers and they have a nice running game. You look at what they,

obviously look at what Sam Darnold's throwing to. He got Aaron Jones in his backfield. He got Hawkinson who's been a, who's been a pro bowl player. He's got Jetta. He's got Addison. He's got Naylor. I mean, look, he's got guys that he can throw the ball to, but it just goes to show you, I don't care.

Without talent around you, now you got some guys now, guys like Mahomes or guys like some guys can elevate, like Brady. They used to elevate, could elevate, you know, not if you're in the league, you're good, but everybody's not going to be a Jedi.

Everybody's not going to be Randy Moss, T.O., and so forth and so on. But what a great quarterback like Mahomes, he can elevate those guys' play. When you're not that level of player, you need guys to elevate your play. And that's what the great skill position players around you are able to do. Baker Mayfield has been better since he got to Tampa than even when he was in Cleveland because he got more talent around him. Sam Darnold was never going to be this good

in the Jets and at Carolina because he didn't have this level of talent around him. And so if you go out and sign a Sam Darnold, look at what you have. Do you have the roster that's equipped to help continue to elevate him?

Because if you don't, he's not Mahomes. He's not Burrow. He's not Lamar. He's not Josh Allen. That's not what he is. And I'm not finna sit here and tell you because he's having,

and he's having an outstanding year. I'll give credit where credit's due. But I don't look at him as a guy that's a multiplier. No matter who you put out there, Ocho, he's going to make them times two. That's Lamar. That's reserved for the top four or five quarterbacks in the league. That's not for him.

You want quarterbacks or your elites that regardless of what you put around them, they're always going to get the job done. Always get the job done. Then you have your tier two quarterbacks. Your tier two quarterbacks, sometimes they need a little help. Now they're good, but they're not great.

Now you put some good receivers around them. Yes, but they can have a game where they can have a game or two where they are great. But more times than not, you need to have that hedge around them to support them. Brock Bowers, record-setting day, pushing the Raiders to a win versus the Saints.

The Raiders posted back-to-back wins for the first time this season with a 25-10 victory over the New Orleans Saints. Rookie tight end Brock Bowers led the Raiders in receiving with seven catches, 77 yards, and set several records. Bowers set an NFL record for the most receiving yards by a rookie tight end in a single season and the most reception by a rookie in a single

season. Hold on. The most reception by a rookie in a single season? Oh, in the second quarter, right? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, in the second quarter. In the second quarter, okay. Bowers also set a rated single season record for the most receiving yards

by a rookie and the most receptions I mean what's the record the most reception by a tight end is Jason Witten 116 116 they were dealing what because he has what what does he have

108 because I think Malik neighbors has like 10 does he have not 108 because i think malik neighbors has like 106 he's right there on him about zach earths okay zach earths has 116 brock bowers has how many 108 now so he's nine catches away from breaking the record hey all i know i know, I'm throwing in the ball. I'm throwing in the ball every day. Oh, I forgot. Pat Sertain gonna get some votes, too. Because when he covered, Jamar Chase had thrown on, what,

six, seven targets. He had three catches for 27 yards against Sertain. And when Sertain wasn't on him, what's it called? Uh, Joey. Joe Burrow hunting well hey oh you gonna guard somebody else Jamar get ready yeah

so Sertan is gonna get some he's gonna get some votes he good man he real nice to be that size to be that big yeah they tall hey listen to be that fluid he tall, they're tall. Hey, listen, to be that fluid. Yeah, he tall.

He tall. He like big, big, big, big. Great hips. Great technique. He can play off. He can play man. He's really good. And always in position to make a play.

Always in position to make a play. I got you some luggage. I got the boys some luggage. That's just half the baton. To put all their stuff in. To make sure they get it from point A to point B. Oh, man, listen,

you ain't got to do that. Because you know what? I got something for you. I got something for you. Since you're talking Spody, right? Since you're talking Spody. Run me my money. I know that you ain't

mentioned about my money. I owe you a thousand, right? No, no, no, no, no. You owe me a thousand on top of the three you already owe me. Why don't you run me my money? I'm no, no, no, no. You owe me a thousand on top of the three you already owe me. Why don't you run me my money? I'm back at 4,000 again?

Show lives. Okay. You was at three. But you see, I told you, I said, Ocho. I don't want to bet you. Listen. I don't want to do this, Ocho.

I'm going to give you money. I'm going to give you money. Where you want me to give it to you at? You want me to sell it to you? I can sell it to you right now. No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No.

I can sell it to you right now. As a matter of fact. No. no, no, no. No. I can tell it to you right now. No. I want to pay my debt. You're going to let me talk about your... Huh? It's my turn. Now, I want $4,000. Right.

$4,000. How you want it? Buffalo Nichols. Run me four grand at Buffalo Nichols. Hey. Huh? How you want it, man? Come on, man.

For real. I want Buffalo Nichols. I don't know what no Buffalo Nichols is. Don't worry about it. That's not your job. Go to the bank. Go to the cashier and say you like $4,000 in Buffalo Nichols. Is there such thing?

Whoa. I'm just saying, is there such thing? Why is he doing me like this? Oh, my God. I've never heard of anything called Buffalo Nichols. That's not a currency. That's not a currency here in the States. Can I please just sell you

your money so I ain't got to hear nothing about it no more? Teddy says, no. Teddy Bear says, no. You cannot sell me my money. Or, you give me $4,000 in wheat pennies. Who? $4,000 in wheat pennies. Who? $4,000 in wheat pennies.

What's a wheat penny? Whoa, whoa, whoa. You know what? What I'm noticing is you're asking a lot of questions. Well, I'm asking a lot of questions because down here in Miami, at Bank of America, at Chase, at Navy Federal, we don't know nothing about no wheat pennies. We don't know nothing about no Buffalo Nichols. We don't know nothing about no Buffalo Nichols.

I've never heard of these phrases in my life. I want Buffalo Nichols. And I told you I don't have cash app. So you can't Zelle me nothing. I didn't even mention cash app. Everybody has Zelle. I don't have Zelle. You have an iPhone, don't you?

Yes. Okay, you got Apple Pay. I can Apple Pay it to you then. I don't got no Apple Pay. I got Ocho Pay. now run me my money i'm trying i'm trying to i'm trying to pay you talk about you keep on talking about what you got and all this right here but first of all first of all why are you talking. You asked me a question. Let your ass die before I make change. Hey, listen, listen. I said, Ocho, please.

I said, Ocho, get up off me. I was down last week. I said, Ocho, come on, Ocho. You got me. Don't you say foot. As a matter of fact, don't even make reference to a ball. I don't want to hear you say soccer. I don't want to hear you say basket because they use ball. I said, come on, Ocho.

No. So now, come on, Ocho. Man, that was a... Nah. So now, what do you hear? But listen, you know, you a little too happy now. You very, very happy. You know who y'all got to play in the first round, huh? I tell you, hey. You know who y'all got to play in the first round, right?

So I want to make sure on next week's episode, when I bring some trash bags in here and we break it down Cancun on three. One, two, three Cancun. I don't want to hear nothing. For the chat I want you to say what you just said

You say, oh, do you know who y'all play next week? I want you to know Ocho, who do the Bengals play next week. Right. I want you to know, I want to know, Ocho, who do the Bengals play next week? Oh, so you happy? You happy?

We went home. Hold on, hold on. You think I take great pleasure in this? Let me ask you something. Let me ask you something. And this is for the people

in the room. Go ahead, ask me. If you a Bronco fan, are you that happy that we got a vacation a week earlier than you? That's it. That's all it is. We got a vacation a week earlier than you? That's it.

That's all it is. We got a vacation a week earlier than you because you're going to be home next week, too. And I'm going to help you pack. I'm going to help you pack. What you got? Hey, listen. Hey, listen. Hey, that's that boy right Hey, listen. Hey, listen. Hey, that's that boy right there, man.

No, no. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's that boy. Why are you talking about my team? That's that boy. Now, I'm not talking about your team. I'm talking about the individual that happens to play for your team. I'm talking about the individual that happens to play for your team.

Yeah. He's nice. I can't believe this man talking about somebody that plays in the blue and orange no no no no no as a matter of fact don't do that don't do that your team has orange

in their colors hey don't do that ah disgusting George turn this land why do you want to put on the 48 glass

and then someone that don't shave off the counter what you finna celebrate whoa whoa whoa I'm just saying it's gonna be it's gonna be a short celebration I don't know why you celebrating with some of that old Shea off the counter. What you finna celebrate? Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm just saying,

it's going to be a short celebration. I don't know why you're celebrating. Can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question? Do you know who you guys are playing in the first round next week? Who y'all not? Okay, I understand that.

You scared to say the name? I know, Buffalo. Okay. Okay. You know who y'all playing at? In Buffalo. Amway Stadium or whatever. I think that's. Buffalo. Okay. Okay. You know where y'all playing at? In Buffalo. Amway Stadium or whatever. I think that's the name of it.

Okay. I'm just making sure. You know what Josh Allen finna do to y'all? He finna send you home packing. Okay. He finna send you home packing. How that make you feel? So you get, listen, you getting all hype, you happy, but you getting ready to go home

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Listen to Ali and Me, now on Audible. The Cowboys part ways with Mike McCarthy. That's some bullshit. Oh, Joe, who the... You know that. Uh, De Des Bryant sounds off against the Cowboys coaching drama. This is what Des tweeted.

Dan Quinn turned a once-struggling franchise into a playoff contender and won his first playoff game until Dallas focused on winning instead of politics. Cowboys fans should not expect success soon. I'm telling you this straightforwardly, just as I always do. Ocho, who's going to be the Cowboys' should not expect success soon. I'm telling you this straightforwardly, just as I always do. Ocho, who's going to be the Cowboys next?

I don't know who the victim is going to be. I'm not sure. I'm not sure, but I just don't like the way Jerry operates. I don't like the way he operates. There was an opportunity for Mike McCarthy to be able to interview for the Chicago Bears job. You know, Jerry blocked that. He said no.

I'm thinking, well, if you're telling me no, Mike McCarthy should be upset. If you're telling me no, I can't. He said, no, I'm thinking, well, if you're telling me, no, Mike McCarthy should be upset. If you're telling me, no, I can't go in an interview for the job. I'm thinking you're going to retain me and discuss a long term contract at some point. What was the point of even doing that? Just to show that you're in control, just to show your power. Just that's what it was. You know, he would. Oh, Joe, he knew he wasn't bringing Martin McCarthy back, but no, I'm not going to let you interview with the Bears on your timeline. It's going to be on my timeline.

What's the point? We know you're in control. We know you're the owner. We know that. The season 8 isn't even in, and you're still making headlines based on your decision making that's making absolutely no sense let the man go

you know you didn't want him to begin with because if you wanted him you would have paid him before the season even started or paid him in season instead of allowing him to finish out his contract like what are we doing but here's the thing remember when they lost they lost a couple times in the first round they thought they kept Dan Quinn.

Dan Quinn really stayed because he thought he was going to get the job. Then off the side, Jerry kept bull jiving. He said, man, let me go on out here and get me a job. You bull jiving. And guess what?

Bobby Wagner was available. He had no blind back. I like Bobby Wagner. B-Wag, look at that. No, that defense, no Dan Quinn's like Bobby Wagner. B-Wags, look at that. Know that defense. Know Dan Quinn's defense. Now, Kendrick's played well, but B-Wags is a different animal.

But see, Jerry is going to be Jerry. He's going to hire a coach, and then he's going to tell you who to hire. Well, this is going to be your defense coordinator. This is going to be your offensive coordinator. I have a question. Now, I've seen reports. I tweeted out earlier today. You know, I was just thinking. Now, I've seen reports. I tweeted out earlier today, you know, I was just thinking, just, I just threw it out there. Like, you know, I ain't talking to Prime,

you know, I'm just thinking, well, let me see, Mike McCarthy's gone. And I think about Prime, you know, obviously, you know, I'm not, not trying to disturb no trouble. And then as soon as I tweeted it three hours later, they go to reports. Jerry Jones reached out to Deion Sanders about the opportunity. Deon saying he's been he was intrigued you know but he loves what he has in boulder as far as his team and his roster and i just i i just listen when an opportunity like that comes along when an opportunity like that comes along do you let it pass you by do you let it pass you by i know deon said i would love to coach my sons i doubt probably i'm, I'm not sure where Dallas is picking,

but Shazor Sand is not going to be there. He's not going to be there unless they do something extravagant and climb the ladder and go get a quarterback. I doubt it. You know, they have that. You just made that decision to me. I'm just speaking hypotheticals. But I'm just saying for the opportunity to actually coach at the highest level

where you dominated, where you made your Hall of Fame career, man, do you really pass them up like that? What do you think? Oh, you do? Mm-hmm. But look, no, Ocho, look, we know Jerry. Jerry is an authoritarian is Jerry way or no way

he feel I heard Troy tonight said he don't believe the cowboy job is coveted it's our profile but it's not coveted he says because coaches can't become who they are and what they can become because of Jerry.

He says Dan Campbell is not going to be Dan Campbell in Dallas like he is in Detroit. Andy Reid would not be Andy Reid in Dallas like he is in Kansas City. That should tell, think about it, Jerry. You continue to do things your way because you want the credit. Sometimes you don't realize how great things can be if you don't care who gets the credit. But Jerry cares, and therein lies his problem. He's always cared.

That's why he fired Jimmy. He won't ever admit it. It drove him crazy that everybody mentioned Jimmy, and he got no shine. So he fired a man. Let that sink in. Chad, let us think here for a second because I don't think you guys realize what I'm about to say here. He fired Jimmy after back-to-back Super Bowls

and his oldest superstar was Michael Irvin at 28 years of age. His oldest superstar was 28 years of age. And he fired it. Now,

first ballot hall of famer and Troy Aikman, first ballot hall of fame, all time lead in Russia, Emmitt Smith, Michael Wett got in on the second ballot and they had that team together. What? They want another one. They missed that year. They went and got prime what they want another one they missed that year they went and got prime and

they want another one but had they had Jimmy that's when Jerry started they were they won in spite of Jerry that was that's how good that 95 team was right they won in spite of Jerry but had they kept Jimmy what

you see the Patriots did, that's what Jimmy would have done. Think about what they had. Emmitt Smith, Emmitt came in with me. So Emmitt left early. So 93, Emmitt should have been 24. Troy was 26.

Mike was 20. Troy was 27. Mike was 20 Troy was 27 Mike was 28 listen remember remember what C said in color purple huh somebody Jerry until you right by me

everything you I forgot what yeah everything that's what's happening until you write by me and take everything you... I forgot what it said. Yeah, everything. Go come back on you. That's what's happening. Nothing has gone good for the Cowboys since that fire.

Now you made it to the playoffs. You made it, but you're always going home in the first round. Ocho, Ocho. Deshaun Watson underwent a second surgery

for a right Achilles rupture. According to a team statement earlier this week, Watson reported to the cross-country mortgage campus for an exit physical as a part of the Browns' season-ending process. He complained of discomfort after rolling the ankle in Miami. MR results demonstrated a re-rupture of the Achilles. They're normally in a boot for at least three months. What makes this injury so difficult to

repair, to recover from, is that when they put you in a boot, the muscles start to atrophy. You know what happens? Now you got weakness. So now you have to build that calf muscle. Now you have to build all those muscles up. Because you can't do anything.

It's not like an ACL, Ocho. Yes, sir. They get your butt in there. The day after surgery, they got you bending that leg. They got you raising it, squeezing that quad muscle, trying to get it firing. They're putting steel on it to get that muscle firing to keep that muscle from atrophy.

Right. Well, when you're in a boot, there ain't really anything that you can do. 62 days after surgery, Deshaun didn't have the boot on. Ocho, remember we had a conversation. I'm like, why is he reworking his contract when he got guaranteed money? Now we know why. Remember, I said, Ocho, he got guaranteed.

Why would I rework my contract? Y'all can't do nothing. He's going to miss all of 25. He missed a large part of 23. He missed damn near all of 24. He's going to miss all of 25. He missed a large part of 23. He missed damn near all of 24. He's going to miss all of 25. I don't wish injury on nobody. You already know how I feel about injuries in general.

It's unfortunate. I've been one who stood high, you know, and hoping that we get Deshaun Watson of old. This is a setback, you know, for him. It's also a setback, you know, for him. Uh, it's also a setback for the Browns. Uh, I'm,

I'm curious to see what the Browns are going to do at that position. Um, knowing where they pick in the draft, if, if they're able to find someone to, to, to, to,

to play the quarterback position, will you bring a veteran in? Would it be maybe Kirk Cousins? Uh, can Joe Flacco maybe come back? I'm not sure what they're going to do, but man, this is not good for them. It's not good for Deshaun.

And that's upsetting. Look, when this thing happened on show, I thought what was going on with Deshaun was more mental than physical. Right. It was what transpired and then everybody kind of knew or thought

they knew and what was true was that's not our job. We're not here to try to read me, try anything or say somebody innocent or guilty. But what we can say is that when people realize and say, damn, all of this, all of this, and let's just say for the sake of argument, all of it's true.

All of it's real. It's the fact that everybody knows. It's the same thing that happened with Tiger. I mean, think about it, Ocho. Now, this is a different situation. Allegedly, nothing Tiger didn't. People said Deshaun did things against their will. But what I'm saying is that when Tiger,

people like Tiger, you still playing golf? Right, right, right, right. But it was the fact that they saw him in a different light. Yes, sir. Now, all of a sudden,

he wasn't this wholesome, this family, mad father of two. Why are you a freak? And it messed with him psychologically. Yeah. I mean, he won one more major of two. Why are you a freak? And it messed with him psychologically. Yeah. I mean, he won one more major after that.

After that. You know what that comes from as well, obviously, right? Not only are you embarrassed publicly about everyone knowing what, how you conducted yourself away from the game of golf. Yeah. But if anything,

what you could have done is you could have stayed true to yourself. Stay true to yourself. Everybody knows now. So why don't, don't change because not only did it change you as a golfer you were winning majors and playing extremely well and at the at the height of your game when you were doing whatever it was you were doing outside outside of the golf course if you look at guys that have built big big brands brands, what have they all been? Married. That's what we're selling.

He's the all-American guy. Wife, 2.5 kids, house, white picket fence. Go look at the guys that have the biggest brands. Jack Nicklaus, Arnold Palmer, Michael Jordan, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahoney. You look at that. Kobe, LeBron James. Shaq was go look at the guys that have built

these huge brands and what do they all have? The only exception, what's the only exception? Ocho. Derek Jeter. Bro, I'm talking about people that's built a half a billion, billion dollars. You talking about Ocho. I got that now. Don't

do that. So maybe that's what he was looking at, Ocho. The problem is he got mad and didn't have his pee-pee under control. And then everybody knew it. Ocho, you're about to be, I don't want everybody to know I'm a freak. Freak man, freak man. Yeah, that's me.

I want y'all to know that. Yeah. People knew. Now they look good. Because what, Ocho? You walk to the course, everybody looking at you. Yeah.

I bet Tiger shook the covers last night. Yeah. And they say, everybody on that goddamn course, just like him. Everybody don't know about it. See? Mm-hmm.

You see a pretty girl at the golf course. I want to shoot for Tiger. I bet that's Tiger, people. You think it. What you think it, Ojo? You think that is? I don't know. See?

I just, I just, I just. Ojo, we just, we just got to keep it worthwhile with you. Yeah. But hopefully Deshaun has a speedy recovery. He's never going to be the same quarterback again,

Ojo. Nah. Never. Never. Now, it's not really about playing. Bro, you in your 30s,

you want to have a normal life. You don't want to be walking around like Shannon Sharp at 56 and you 35, 33, 34. Right. You want to have someone of a normal life.

You want to be able to walk without a limp. Hell, you walk with a limp at 32, what the hell you think you'll be at 42, 52, 62? Hell, you're down beneath a wheelchair. So now it's about getting a level of health back. Right. Where you can do stuff. I don't know if he wants kids or he's going to have kids, but you want to want to do something with the kids. At this point in time, I'm not even thinking about playing football.

I'm thinking about hitting tackling his rehab, take it as serious as I possibly can and try to heal up and get back because 2025 is over. You're not coming back. The Patriots have hired Mike Brable as the next head coach. Robert Kraft will replace one of his former players with another in hopes to improve the results. Vrabel is the first coach since 1950 to directly succeed another coach where both played together in the NFL as teammates since Forrest Gregg took over for Bart Starr as the Packers head coach in 1984. There might be a possibility to bring Josh McDaniels back

as offensive coordinator. Considering that Josh, before we talk about Mike Rabel, it seems to me the only place Josh McDaniels can have success is in New England. Wait a minute. Whoa, stop right there.

The only place Josh McDaniels can have success is in New England when he has Tom Brady at the helm. Well, stop right there. The only place Josh McDaniel could have success is in New England when he has Tom Brady at the helm. Well, he did go to the playoffs when he had a Mac Jones. Remember, Mac Jones rookie year, he had Mac. They went 10-6. Then he goes to – remember, he goes to the Raiders. He did the Raiders job.

Coach Belichick had this brilliant idea that I think Bill O'Brien was the coach for one year and then Bill O'Brien leaves and then he has two of his slappy homies come in there. Matt Patricia and Joe Judge. Guys that have never called an offensive play in all their life.

One is a special teams coach. The other is a D.C. And you know what? Our first round draft pick is a quarterback that made the Pro Bowl as a rookie that ended up taking us to the playoffs. We want to have two guys in his ear that's never, ever called an offensive play. Yeah. What do you think about this? For me, I'm disappointed that Mr. Craft did not give Gerard Mayo more time.

It'd be interesting to see if Vrabel struggles and not have a great record. The likelihood of him moving on with Vrabel after a year is not very likely. No, absolutely. Everybody else that Mr. Kraft has had, not granted, he had Coach Belichick from 2000 until 2023. Right. About 24. But Coach Belichick was 5-11.

He got another period. He got a degrace period. Next year, we know what happened. He went to the Super Bowl, and they take off. But do you like the hire of Mike Vrabel? I mean, I like it. I like it. But I don't see much changing. I don't see much changing depending on how the draft goes,

depending on what they get in the free agency. Then you get some pieces in there that can help defensively, that can help offensively. Things might change, but I don't see it to be a quick turnaround that fast. I've never seen a team turn around that fast. The quarterback position, obviously Drake May is good. He showed flashes of brilliance. Then he's had some lows.

Obviously, you get that with a rookie quarterback. Depending on his growth and how much better he gets from now to next season, then I think things will be okay for them. But I don't see him making that kind of jump, where it just changes the dynamic of that team in general. And all of a sudden, they turn it around and win 10, 11-something games. No, it's not going to happen. But if they do have a losing season again, the leash for Vrabel will be much longer than the leash for Gerard Mayo.

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