Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Rams best Niners, De’Vondre Campbell quits, Hurts & Brown good

Episode Date: December 13, 2024

Shannon Sharpe reacts to Matthew Stafford and the Los Angeles Rams defeating Brock Purdy, Deebo Samuel and the San Francisco 49ers on Thursday Night Football. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Niners LB De’Vondre Campbell telling the team he didn’t want to play anymore and left the game in the third quarter, Philadelphia Eagles Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown saying they are on good terms and things got blown out of proportion and much more!03:13 - Introduction05:50 - Rams vs Niners17:20 - Jalen Hurts & AJ Brown33:30 - Lions take back tickets44:05 - Campbell tells team he doesn’t have to play1:08:45 - Money Moves Draft Kings(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Rams got four field goals in a downpour, but that was enough to beat the 49ers 12-6 in a very, very sloppy game, a very boring game. Matthew Stafford was 16 of 27, 160 yards. I think he had like 23 yards at the half. Kyron Williams continues his great play. 29 carries, 106, and it was him

that basically ran out the clock late in the ballgame that led to a field goal with limited time on the clock that really put this game away. Puka Nakua continues his outstanding play after coming back from injury. He has seven catches for 97 yards. He had a

longer 51. He only had eight targets. But I think the story of the night was Cooper Cupp, who had three targets and no catches. I can't remember the last time Cooper Cupp played a game, Ocho, and did not have a catch. Brock Purdy was 14-31, 142 yards and a very, very, very

bad interception. The 49ers could not muster anything as far as running the football. They did a very poor job of protecting Brock Purdy. Brock Purdy was spraying the ball all over the field. But he did have an opportunity to get a touchdown, and Debo dropped it. He had split the scenes, and he had his mind on probably scoring a touchdown. And he just flat-out dropped it. There's no other way around it.

And that's why you don't complain about when you don't catch it because now I've seen the chance and I've gone online and I see what everybody's saying. Now you see how you make yourself look foolish when you start complaining and then you drop a touchdown. But watching this game, Ocho, I think for all intents and purposes, this probably ends the 49ers' season with three with three games to go I don't see them doing enough I don't think Seattle the Rams or the Cardinals do enough damage to themselves in order

to have the 49ers and the 49ers would have to win out and I don't see that happening so I think for all intents and purposes they don't even have a milk chance which is two percent to get into the playoffs but when you look at this game what did you like about what you saw from the Rams? I mean, listen, what I saw from the Rams, obviously, being resilient, being able to move the ball just a little bit. The first half was abysmal. It was boring. Hugh said, obviously, I think

if the weather was a little bit better, we would have saw the Rams look like we're used to seeing them look now that they have Cooper Cup and Pukunuku healthy. It would have been a much, much better game. Obviously, I don't like the fact that Cooper Cup wasn't able to get a catch tonight. It's hard to fathom

that, obviously, Pukunuku has and now Cooper Cup seems to have passed the torch on the Puka. I mean, they still won the game. The 40... Like, you got to be careful about Debo when you... When you complain about Debo getting you when you complain about Debo getting

catches that ball the game is different the game is completely different the 49ers game he had two drops Kelly tackled his own teammate

he had two carry I mean for what what a rushing total of three yards 1.5 yards a carry. He had 16 yards receiving and a false start penalty. So Debo, this is a lesson for him.

You got to be careful, man. You got to be careful what you wish for because the football gods will always put you in a position to make a play, to make a play. And this is the difference in being good and being great. You know, if you complain about the ball and the opportunities when they come, even if they come few and so often, you got to make those plays. You got to make those plays. And other than that, listen. Ocho.

Thanksgiving, they go on a run. Ocho, start your log off and see if we can get a better connection. Because right now you're cutting out like every other word and people really can't hear what you want to say so if you could just restart your computer and see if we can get a better connection

yeah maybe you can call down and see if they have a premium wifi that you can get on to because I'm sure they have a conference center down there somewhere that they that businesses come and they use so let's see what we can get done. Sorry about that guys. Uh, look, uh, things happen. Uh, we don't always be in a situation where we're at

home and we have great internet service and everything is wired accordingly. We have the greatest, the hot fiber optics and high speed internet out of the yin yang, but sometimes you're at the mercy of situations and I've been there before where we're not we don't always have the ideal situations but hopefully we can get this thing we can get it rectified

because we really want to make sure we give you guys the best show we possibly can and I think that's the only way only possible if we can get Ocho on a better internet provider, a better service that he can, that he's not on the lag that he's on and he's not cutting out every other word.

So just bear with us. We're sorry. Sorry about that guys. But we appreciate your patience. But as Ocho was saying, and the thing is with Debo, he has to understand it's funny how the football gods will humble you now he's complaining and he put up a tweet

and then he took the tweet down and now here it is for all the world to see this is your opportunity now look what you did I mean if it wasn't raining we just saw you wet the bed but your clothes wet so we don't really know but you did you did all that talking

oh I want the ball. Ain't nothing wrong with D-Bow. Bro, you're not the same. I mean, even they showed the cut-ups. Bro, you had no separation. Even on the balls that he didn't get, guys, did y'all see any separation? How was Purdy going to drop the balls in there? There was no separation.

So I just don't get these guys. going to drop the balls in there. There was no separation. So I just don't get these guys. These guys start reading the comments and oh, Debo, you should do this, and you should go somewhere else, and you start getting high on your own supply, and you start feeling yourself. And then when you get an opportunity, 49ers put you in a situation where you can

make plays, you come up small. Now, I want you to go on there and say, hey, just like you had the nerve to go out there and tweet and say, ain't nothing wrong with Debo, I want you to go on there and say, hey, just like you had the nerve to go out there and tweet and say, ain't nothing wrong with Deebo, I want you to say, hey, guys, I let the team down tonight. I had an opportunity to make a play, and I didn't. Had a false start.

Hey, that's what you have to do. But it's tough. It's really tough playing in these conditions. But hell, the Rams are playing in this condition. Puka Nakua had eight targets. He had seven catches.

So you expect Kittle had four receptions, 61 yards. He had a long of 33 on seven targets. Jawan Jennings had nine targets, two catches. I don't know what party we was throwing on that last interception. And I was looking at it and I was like, Kyle is just running this football because he really doesn't want to put this ball in harm's way. He want to put it on the foot of his kicker to maybe tie this ball game up. And worst case scenario, or a best case scenario, get a field goal and maybe get a quick three and out and get the ball with a chance to win the game.

But Purdy threw this ball. I don't know where he was throwing it because Jennings had no separation. The guy with the corner was over the top of him. But that's not the here nor there, but give the Rams their play. They're going in the right direction at the right time. The 49ers is too many injuries, too many inconsistent, too much inconsistent play. Big guys being out of the lineup.

T-Dub was out of the lineup again. We can understand why. Bosa missed some time because he was nicked. They just got Greenlaw back. I think it's Huffnager. He just got back after a long season, but it was just a season where expectations weren't met. This is the 49ers, the team that was in the Super Bowl last year.

They bring a lot of the key pieces back, but it didn't work out for them this year. And so that's why I keep telling teams all the time, just because you went somewhere last year, that doesn't mean you're going to go that same place this year. You have to start all back over again. And it's not easy. So I think you have a healthy level of respect for what

you saw the Patriots do year in and year out. What you see Kansas City do year in and year out. Here they are trying to go for a three-peat as far as Super Bowls. They've been in the AFC Championship game every year since Patrick Mahomes has been the starter. They've gone to four Super Bowls, they've been in the AFC Championship game every year since Patrick Mahomes has been the starter. They've gone to four Super Bowls in a six-year span.

Yeah, six, seven years, seven years, excuse me. So it's going to be very, very interesting. But, guys, we really appreciate you guys bearing with us. We know it's never easy. It's frustrating. Y'all know it's frustrating for me. But, you know, every night that i go to bed and pray for patience he hadn't given it to me but he put me in some situations that require it so so that's how that's how that's how that's uh

uh man y'all know this thing called a scully a beanie my definition of a beanie it doesn't have a lip it's just a thin hat that you pull down and that's it this is a scully definitely a scully yes a scully i don't even know why i let ash name it anyway that's on me i don't want to f up know why I let Ash name it anyway. That's on me. I don't want to F'd up. Huh?

Nah. But I don't know. Maybe the definition have changed over the years. I know when I was a kid it was called a scully what we had to wear when we were waiting outside for the bus to come pick us up or we went somewhere and it was cold you know

my grandma said boy get that scully but I guess somehow over the years it's been it's been changed. I mean, I don't know where Beanie came from. Beanie Weenies, I don't know. Y'all young.

Y'all don't know no better. I do. I think it's what you call them i think it's it's age bro i think age according to where you are i think someone around my age of probably 40 and above they probably look at it and say it's a scully under that 39 and under they probably look at it and say it's a beanie um i'd never heard of the term beanie when i was growing up so but i think y'all have to admit, it's cool, though. You know, you boy rocking it.

I can't remember the last time I had one on my damn head. I probably hadn't had one of these on my head since I played. Yeah. Right, exactly. See, I thought that's what I enjoyed in, like, you know, a beanie. It doesn't have this space right here. It just fits snug down on your head. It covers the entire head.

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He's emotional. In that case, he just misspoke. Me and Jalen are fine. Hurst said BG spoke out of place, and he knows that. Yes? Everything is not for public consumption. Let's just say for the sake of argument, it's true. How did BG help the situation

because at the end of the day whatever is going on in the locker room your job is to try to defuse it and to try to help it this did not defuse it this did not help it and I expected them to say what they said and I don't have any reason to doubt them but let's just say for the sake of argument and that's what we do here we try to play both

see both sides of the argument how what BG said how did that help this situation? I don't see that it did. I don't see the good that came from it. Everything that he said, be it true or not, could have been said behind closed doors in a private meeting room with both of those guys. Whatever the situation was between Hurts and Brown,

A.J. could have said what he said, his frustrations. Obviously, when you're the number one receiver and you don't get the targets and you don't get the catches in the yard that you're probably thinking you should or you're accustomed to, you become frustrated. The only thing I will say to A. to AJ is that you have to be careful because you're winning. You've won nine straight games, nine or ten straight ball games.

And then when you complain, it comes off as you being selfish. Now, I don't believe AJ is selfish. I believe he's a guy that's highly competitive and wants to win and understands that in order for us to get to where we need to be and where we want to go, the passing game is us to get to where we need to be

and where we want to go, the passing game is going to have to greatly improve. I believe it. I don't believe you're going to beat. I don't believe that you're going to beat Detroit. I don't believe you'll beat Minnesota. I don't believe you'll beat Green Bay. I don't even know if you'll beat Tampa when your quarterback only throws the ball. Now, if you run the air out of the ball for 250, 300 yards, yes, that can overcome the lack of passing.

But the likelihood of teams are just going to let Saquon run. Wow. I just don't see that happen. And so when you got two quality receivers, Goddard, I think, just got Nick last week. And so I don't know if and when he's coming back. But your two big guns are going to have to go off at some point in time. And they're going to have to be consistent with that but i i like what uh aj and and uh jaylen i like the united front um look bg was out of out of time he spoke out of pocket um he should have said what he said uh what and he said, whatever issue that BG had,

just like he said hurts and AJ could have gotten to a room, you could have did the same thing. So hopefully if they got it worked out, everything is going to be good moving forward. And so I think that's the thing. I mean,'s the thing. It is tough. You guys are very, very competitive and highly emotional men in that locker room. And they realize they don't want what happened last year to happen this year.

Got off to the great start, lose a bunch of games at the end, and then they were one and done. And when you got guys that care a lot, this is what you get. Now, I'm not surprised that it's like this because you get a lot of guys that put a lot into it. You have to make a lot of sacrifices in order to be a great football team. And guys have to sacrifice. Sometimes you have to sacrifice numbers in order to be the team that you want to be. Everybody, look, it would be great if everybody could get their numbers and we still be successful.

But sports doesn't work like that. They really don't. But I'm glad to see and hopefully we come out here and we'll find out over But sports doesn't work like that. They really don't. But I'm glad to see, and hopefully we come out here and we'll find out over the next couple of games. They got Pittsburgh this week at home. They got the Cowboys. They got a few games, some tough games down the stretch. And what you're going to need in order to win these games,

you're going to have to have a united front. You're going to have to have one one the team that's on one accord and if you get that you have an opportunity to do something special but uh it's going to be very interesting to see how this thing plays out pittsburgh is a very good test uh for them because we know what pittsburgh represent they have an outstanding defense um they do a great job of limiting the run they They want to make you one-dimensional, as do most teams. And if they can make you one-dimensional, now they can come hunt your quarterback. It's going to be very interesting to see if that defensive line can continue to hunt like they've been hunting.

We see Jalen Carter. We see Williams. We see Davis. Sweat has been doing a great job of getting after the quarterback. N'Kobe Dean is having an outstanding season. Braun is playing really well. That secondary is getting better and better. You see big play Slay starting to make his plays on one side.

Michael on the other side, those two safeties. Blankenship. So it's going to be very, very interesting to see how this thing plays out this week against the Pittsburgh Steelers. But I really, really hope that this thing is behind the Eagles, and they come out there and play with a sense of urgency, and they go ahead and take care of

what they need to take care of. You got it back up? You up and functional? Can you hear me? Yes. Hey, man. Man, fuck, man. Fuck this shit, man. Hey, no, I'm real. Can you see me? Yeah, I can see you. With that big yellow bird ass t-shirt on.

Okay, we good, we good, we good, we good, we good. Hey, you got to help me out something real quick. When I'm on the road like this and i get to hotels where the internet provider is not good how do i counter that what can i carry with me to counter them having bad wi-fi at a hotel so you just ask them to have a premium service because a lot of times they have conference room right then you might have to ask them to let you use the conference room because you need because of what you're trying to get done. Ask them, do they have a high, if they have an upgraded internet service that you,

that's not typical for regular rooms. A lot of people don't want to put extra $20, $30 for internet service. Okay. So that's what you're going to have. Yeah. I just called down. I'm at the Grand, I don't want to be disrespectful to the hotel, but the hotel I'm at, I called down and asked the lady,

do you have a premium service that I can, you know, I can get. She said, no, we don't have that and we'll send an engineer up there. She called back two seconds later, oh, no, engineer is here. We can go to our business room downstairs on the fifth floor. I'm like, ma'am, our show has already started. I don't have time to pack all my stuff and go downstairs. But here, from now on, hey, listen, it's not my fault, but I got my phone. Yeah, but just ask if they have a premium upgrade internet service that you can use. If not, ask them, can you go use the conference center?

Okay, so I'm going to just, you know what? I'm going to just use the conference center from now on when I'm on the road. I ain't got time for this shit. I'm ready. I'm ready. Where was that? Where was that? We were discussing the Jalen Hurst and A.J. Brown.

Let me go back. Oh. Surrounding their relationship. Right. was that when was that we was discussing the jaylen hurst and aj brown let me go back oh uh surrounding their relationship both said the relationship isn't fractured despite what teammate brandon graham is suggesting otherwise aj bg which is brandon graham was just being bg he's emotional and in that case he just misspoke me and jaylen are fine hurt said bg spoke out of place and he knows that. Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. Anytime you have somebody on the outside speaking on a situation that they

know nothing about, even though you are teammates, for one, as a receiver, as a tight end, you understand A.J. Brown's frustrations. Watching the film and watching some of the plays in which his frustrations stem from, you understand where he's coming from. But there's a way to do things.

There's a way to do things. Everything should have been kept in house and stayed internally, and the conversation should have been had between A.J. Brown and goddamn Jalen Hurts. Boom. All he had to do, hey, listen, after practice, come in here, let's break down some of this film, some of the plays where you could

just hit me, you know, based on anticipation. If a guy is off, you give me a shot. On the right side of the field, when he had that shot, when it was one-on-one and the safety, at the snap of the ball, the safety went to the middle of the field, you've got to give me those shots on those deep balls. You have to trust in me. There's a reason why they paid me what I did. There's a reason why I'm the number one receiver. You've got to trust me in these situations. I got you. Nine times out of ten, A.J. Brown is going to make those plays on the throws where he was hesitant and didn't let it go.

It seems like when Jalen Hurst plays quarterback off, he waits for the player to be open before he lets the ball go. It's too late. His anticipatory skills aren't where they should be. They just aren't. You got to trust your receivers, man. You got to trust them.

And he hadn't been doing that. And I understand A.J. Brown's frustration, but the way he went about doing it, it went the right way. I agree. I agree with everything you just said. And just like B.G. said that A.J. should have pulled Jalen to the side and had a private conversation,

he should have done likewise with Jalen Hur and had a private conversation. Yes, sir. He should have done likewise with Jalen Hurston and AJ. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. You ask somebody to do something and you can't ask more than you're willing to give. Right, right. You can't ask them to do have a private conversation while you go have a public conversation about the private conversation they were told to have. Yeah. And see, this is the funny thing.

This is where it all, this is where it stems from being very media savvy. Being media savvy and understanding the space that you're in and understanding the power that your voice has based on the situation because all you did was just made it worse.

Exactly. You just made it worse. So if they did ask you the question of a podcast or whether it be the media or whatnot, you spin it. You spin it

and you say something positive to deflect the situation that's going on. You don't add goddamn fuel to the goddamn fire you're absolutely right but I think the thing is that Ocho at this point in time you know the situation you look you're in Philly

you've been in Philly if I'm not mistaken you're the longest tenured eagle so you know the least thing that is said about the eagle that coming from that locker room is going to be magnified. Now, I don't need you

to give it a megaphone and amplify it even more. Understand that. That's media 101. I understood everything is not meant for public consumption. Even though the media, oh, they want I understood everything is not meant for public consumption. No, sir.

And even though the media, oh, they want honesty. Okay, I'm going to give you my honesty. Right. But I'm not going to give you the honesty that's going to tear the fabric of the locker room. Right. Because then what's your role in helping put it back together? You're trying to sell a story. You're trying to get people to read your article. Right.

Click on it, like it, whatever the case may be. I'm trying to keep the team together in order for us to get to where we need to be. Right. And me telling secrets

or dirt what's in the locker room doesn't help that. Nah. At all. At all. I think they're going to be all right, though. Matter of fact, this week,

this week, listen, as well as Saquon has been playing all season long, they're not going to run the ball the way they think they've been running the ball all season long against that Steelers defense. The Steelers defense against the goddamn run, they top five in the NFL. So this is the week where A.J. Brown

and Devontae Smith are going to have to show up and Jalen Hurts ain't going to have no choice but to get that ball out of his hand. Ain't going to have no choice. And they're going to have all show up. And Jalen Hurts ain't going to have no choice but to get that ball out of his hand. Ain't going to have no choice. And they're going to have all the chances they need. I think it was two years ago, two years ago, 2022, I think A.J. Brown's best game against the Steelers, he had maybe three touchdowns.

I forgot how many he casted for, like 165, 156 yards, something like that. So they're going to have to get back to that, go back and watch that film, see what you did in that specific game against the Steelers. You got to repeat it. You got to repeat it this Sunday. Look, I understand the Steelers are great against the run, but don't think y'all going to scare me out of running this football. We do got Saquon, and he's running the air out of the football.

So whatever y'all think y'all going to do, oh, we number four against the rush. I don't give a damn if you're number 1,000 against the rush. Plus 1,000. We're gonna attempt to run the football because we're not gonna let you make us one-dimensional early. Now, it might get to a point where we

have to throw the football, but I tell you what, we're gonna still sprinkle some runs in there because we're not gonna just let T.J. Watt and he bring in Hyde Smith just pin their damn ears back and come get the quarterback. That's not going to happen. Even though you have Maulato on one side, you got Lane Johnson, you got Dickerson.

I get it. I get it. You got Beckton. I get all of that. But if you just allowed a stealer, that front seven, led by TJ, and even Cam Hayward can come get your quarterback. He's really good against the run.

But if you just let these guys just like, oh, they're not going to even shift to run the ball? Yeah. Oh, they're going to get your quarterback down. See, this is the frustrating part.

This is the frustrating part. They are so good against the run. They can't allow, how do I say it? They can't allow the goddamn Steelers to dictate what they want

to do offensively. Because it's going to be a lot of 2-yard gains, a tackle for loss. It's going to be a 3-yard gain. At some point, it's going to break, but the Steelers are so disciplined, and they're not doing nothing special based on who they're playing. They're going to line up. They're not going to

do nothing exotic, and they're just going to play because they have the personnel to get it done, and that's how they played all season. If you're going to have success against the Steelers, you're going to play because they have the personnel to get it done. And that's how they played all season. If you're going to have success against the Steelers, you're going to have to put the ball in the air. You're going to have to. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's just hard to have success being one-dimensional in and of a game. There used to be a time that you could just run the football, Ocho, or you could just throw the football. But those games, those days are just few and far between. And I'm not saying you need to have 200 yards

rushing and 300 yards passing. I'm not saying you need to have 150 yards rushing, but you do need to give the defense something other to think about other than hunting your quarterback. Right, right, right, right. The Lions revoked season tickets of a fan who had a pregame verbal altercation

with Matt LaFleur at Ford Fields last week. A TV camera caught the end of the heated exchange between LaFleur and Fahad Yusuf. LaFleur could be yelling at the fan, but said his actions were provoked. I've never been a part of something like that, LaFleur said. He was talking junk to our players, giving

them a throat slash sign. You're trying to de-escalate it and then gets in my face and I thought it was pretty unsportsmanlike. Yousef said he was devastated by the move after being contacted by via email. The biggest punch in the gut, man. Just waking up and seeing that email and not being able to talk to somebody in person.

It was a terrible feeling. I don't have a chance to give my side of the story or anything. You can't do that, man. You can't do that. You just can't do that. You can't. Listen, the NFL is not going to go forward.

The team is not going to go forward because you're a representation of them. So if you as a fan of said team is chatting and talking trash to the opposing team's head coach, what do you think is going to happen? What do you think is going to happen? You have to remain a fan. You have to remain in your position as a fan.

I'm surprised Detroit did this. What? I am. Well, it's no different than playing in the NBA. You got fans heckling players on the sideline just because you're sitting courtside. We got to enjoy the game. There's no need to disrespect the opposing team's head coach. For what? You know what?

It would have been interesting to see, to hear what was said. Right. Now, Ocho, I don't think the throat-slashing gesture is enough. Like I said now i don't oh i don't think the throat slashing gesture is enough like i said i don't know he did he say the magic did he say the magic word right did he say the n-word oh did he did he say did he say some of the other stuff right did he call somebody a monkey did he i mean what what was some of the words oh joe yeah and then like i said uh i don't know now you're talking to somebody that's been in a similar situation. Everybody knows my story.

It's well documented. I got into a verbal altercation with some of the Grizzlies players. Yeah. Now, if the Lakers said, Shannon, you can't come back. I'm dead ass wrong. Hey, the money that I paid for the ticket. Right. I got to eat that.

Right, right. I got to eat that. Because my thing, Ocho, you know how I ticket, I got to eat that. Right, right. I got to eat that. Because my thing, Ocho, you know how I am. I control Shannon's action. Right. I don't get to control the consequences that came from Shannon's action. Right, right.

If the Lakers said... And I get what he's saying. He's like, man, I ain't even get a chance to talk to nobody. I ain't get a chance to explain my side of the story. I get I was wrong, my side of the story. I get I was wrong, but you know, hey, maybe I'm a little bit more sympathetic and understanding.

Right. Because sometimes, Ocho, man, you look, look, I ain't gonna lie. Hell, I forgot I was at the game. I ain't lying. And you was hot. You were hot? Bro, it was like, I'm like, I'm thinking I'm on the corner. I'm at the barbershop.

And I'm going back and forth. Yeah, yeah. You like this guy? I like this guy. He's like, you know, we having a conversation about Kobe LeBron or Kobe Jordan or Jordan Braun, or Braun Kobe. Right. That's how it was.

I don't, honestly, I don't remember anything until the security got me back into the hallway. And they asked, hey, you okay? And I'm like, why y'all keep asking me am I okay? Right, right. What happened? They're like, oh, you okay? Right. And I'm looking at my man.

He looking at me like, yeah, I'm okay. And then it didn't really dawn on me. But at that point in time, I was like, oh, hey, Allah have mercy. I said, I don't know. I said, I know my sister going to see this.

My brother going to see this. The kids going to see this. I said, I know father's going to see this. Hell, everybody going to see this. Yeah. But, uh. I mean, there was I mean there was no

consequences behind that right nah okay okay there was a consequence about my image other than that I didn't suffer any monetary damage but like I said if the Lakers had told me that I was not allowed to come back

anymore I'd have just had to suck it up and say they wouldn't do that to you They wouldn't do that to you. They wouldn't do that to you. I mean, listen, that happens. Emotions rise, obviously, when it comes to players, when it comes to fans. Obviously, with you being a public figure and your passion for the game of basketball

and the Lakers as well, they wouldn't do that. Now, the situation with the fan and talking to a head coach like that is completely different. Completely different. And the thing was, Ocho, like, the officials because

Zach... I forget the official name. And I had seen him at a game before. But, like I said, it was just good old trash talking you know this and that and then it just escalated to you know itch and sit i'm like whoa hold on now yeah yeah yeah yeah hey hey yeah don't y'all let don't let the big sweater fool

you yeah yeah y'all put them hands on them all no nah. I didn't want to get out of hand like that. Right, right, right, right. Hey, listen. And look, the problem that I'm most disappointed in, don't you? My job as the adult in that situation

was to lower the temperature in the room. Right. Hey, hold on. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on now. Hold on now. Sometimes, sometimes as an adult,

you got to raise the temperature. Because if somebody slap you on the Bible, they say turn the other cheek. Are you going to turn the other cheek? No, no, no. Ain't nobody slapping nobody. There we go. There we go. But all the words.

But in a situation like that, the words. I could have just like, you know what, bro? Hey, just sit down, enjoy the game, blah, blah, blah. But the thing was, when people tried to spin it uh oh man he about to fight he about to crash out by lebron lebron it had nothing to do with this lebron it had anything to do with this me and bruce were having a very healthy conversation we going back and forth we're going back and forth he said what he said i'm saying what he said i like that i like that they got a look i like it went a... I thought it went to a spot

that it didn't need to go. And then John came in. I'm like, oh, bro. Yeah. They said he got nothing to do with you. Yeah. That's his teammate, huh? That's his teammate.

Yes. And then his dad. And boy, Lord, now see, that's what really got me. Of all the things, Ocho, I was focused on them. And if you notice immediately, Ocho, I hear somebody say, he won't do nothing, but I will.

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That's what, as a matter of fact, Greg Lorin. I don't know how you say it. Greg Lorin, Ralph Lorin, but Greg Lorin. I mean, he said he was in London at the time, and he said he got so many emails. He got so many calls about your sweater. Like, what about the sweater? That's an old sweater.

We don't make that sweater anymore. They did. They put it back in production and made some more of it. Yeah, see the kind of impact you have? See the kind of impact you have? You got impact fashion. I didn't want that kind of impact. Nah, somebody, nobody, listen, everybody remembers the villain.

Nobody remembers the good person. The villain lives on forever. So sometimes you have to embrace the consequences that comes in certain situations. It's okay. Next time, I'm going to be with you courtside next time.

Nah, I just sit down. I just sit down. I acknowledge, blah, blah, blah. But for the most part, the opposing team, I mean, all of them, blah. But for the most part, the opposing team, I mean, all of them, they come to me. They come to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're going to show up.

Zach Levine and all those guys, Debo DeRozan. When I come to the game, they be like, how you doing, so forth and so on. Yeah. Everybody like excited to see me. It was just, I don't know. Look, the Grizzlies don't really care for the Lakers. The Lakers don't care for the Grizzlies.

Right. The Grizzlies fans don't care for the Lakers. L Lakers don't care for the Grizzlies. The Grizzlies fans don't care for the Lakers. Laker fans doesn't care for the Grizzlies. Laker fans damn sure don't like the Grizzlies. So I get that. I didn't get it at the time. I get it now. I totally understand.

I got a question. Is the Grizzlies' hatred for the Lakers and the Lakers' hatred for the Grizzlies, is it almost equivalent to that that the Saints and the Falcons are nowhere close? Yeah. Well, it just recently started. Yeah. You realize the Falcons and the Saints have been in the same division for a long time.

It used to be the NFC West. Right. So the Falcons, the Saints, the Rams, all of them in the 49ers were all in the same division. So plus the close proximity of New Orleans to Atlanta. Right. So you got a lot of fans driving down to New Orleans. You got a lot of fans driving up from New Orleans to Atlanta. Right. So the hatred is...

You're talking about Baltimore-Pittsburgh? Yeah. Saints-Falcons? Yeah. Right there. You're talking about Green Bay-Chicago. Yeah. Oh, that's bad. That's bad. That's bad. Listen, I didn't even understand the situation when it came to the Saints and Falcons

until I was damn retired. And they're going back and forth on Twitter. I'm like, listen, we can have a kumbaya moment. Imagine how dope it would be if Saints and Falcons fans got together, sat together at the games, and enjoyed together. That ain't gonna happen.

You ain't gotta tell me. You ain't gotta tell me. I know now. I know now. I'm in Atlanta. I'm in the barbershop. In the state. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand now. It's good nature.

But like I said, I was able to go back and I had a conversation. And I'm cool. I mean, as a matter of fact, I've gone back to several games and saw the Grizzlies play. And I think John's phenomenal. I mean, to watch him play and to see how he can elevate and contort his body and to do things that he does is just second to none. There are very few basketball

players. Listen, people buy tickets to go watch the game. John is one of the few players in the NBA where you buy tickets and he puts fans in the seats and they strictly come in just to watch him. That's it. It was great. Now it's time for...

Okay. Wow. Devondre Campbell told the team he's a linebacker, Ocho. Now he was placed, remember Dre Greenlaw was the starting linebacker beside... He got hurt. In the Super Bowl. Yeah.

He just got activated. Yeah. So, I guess what that meant is that Devondre Campbell, either he didn't start or his playing time was cut. This is what we're saying. Devondre Campbell told the team he didn't want to play anymore and he left the game in the third quarter of

tonight's game, per Kyle Shanahan. Tredavious Ward spoke about Campbell leaving a team middle of the game. He's probably going to get cut. Yeah. Yeah. Can I ask you something? Can I tell you something? Yes.

Do you understand his frustration, though? Do you understand? No. No? I don't agree with it. I don't agree with it. Listen, as a teammate as a player on a team you got to understand your role you got to understand why you're in the role

in the position you're in because you got hurt because he got hurt but then i'm thinking about also being able to empathize with him but damn i've been putting all this work all this time i've been playing all this time and all of a sudden he comes back and i got to take a back seat well obviously you want to start from the get-go so hello you got you got to remember that but i think i i'm i'm seeing him from his perspective well damn i'm putting all this work meetings practice playing doing everything i can all of a sudden he comes back from injury and now i'm on the what you got you got you got to understand your role young bull you got to understand your role come on man bro and and that's bro first of all had he not got hurt you wouldn't even been there

you got to realize you got released from the packer yeah so they threw you they threw you a lifeline he was coming back yeah okay hey i'm gonna play i'm gonna play play my role whatever they need hey i only signed a one-year deal anyway. Hey, my season about to be over in the next four or five weeks. Hey. Wait, whoa, whoa. He on a one-year deal? Yeah.

And he had the nerve to walk off the field? Yeah. Hey, Unc, you got, listen, you know, hold on. For one, you got to be that boy to pull some shit like that off. You ain't I'm saying now you know what I mean you got to be Fred Warner or somebody like that

we know you're upset come on back we'll work things out boy if you're in a one year deal are you acting like that but no great player would ever do something like that he got too much pride he understand also no great player would be in that position where they would have to do something like that. Exactly. He got too much pride. He understands. Also, no great player would be in that position where they would have to do something like that.

Correct. He has to understand. You do, I think there's a situation, Davis, the DB, remember the DB quit at halftime

in Buffalo? Oh, oh, oh, Bonte, Bonte, yeah. Hey, Bonte, I heard the story. Bonte hit the half and like, man, I can't do this no more, man.

I can't do this no more. Yeah, Bonte, rest in't do this no more, man. I can't do this no more. Yeah, Ponte, rest in peace, man. Yes, yes. But I've never, man, these guys do, I've never been a part of something like this.

In my 14-year career, I can honestly say I've never seen someone that refused to go into the game. Yeah. It happened, somebody else just did that not too long ago.

Deontay Johnson, he refused to go to the game in the third quarter. Yes, else just did that not too long ago. Deontay Johnson. He refused to go to the game in the third quarter. And got suspended. Yeah. And now we have, what's his last name? Oh, A.B. did it.

You remember A.B. did it at the Jets. He took his pants off. Yeah. He cleared it. He cleared it. But I came close.

You? I did. Wait, wait, wait. Let me get comfortable. Tell me the story. You? I did. Wait, wait, wait. Let me get comfortable. Tell me the story. Let me sit up. What happened? We play a lot of two tight ends.

Yes, sir. And I'm always, I'm always, I'm Y in 21 personnel. Right. Two backs, one tight end, two receivers. Uh-huh. I'm always Y.

Yeah. Anytime we go to 12 personnel, I'm always a Tiger tight end. So, no matter who, if House came in, and 12 personnel, I'm going to Tiger. If Chalk Eye Chamberlain came in,

I'm going to the Tiger, I'm going to the Fly tight end, which is what we call Tiger. Right. So, I remember looking inside, I'm standing in the huddle, and I see Chaka Chamberlain coming into the ballgame. Yes, sir. So I go.

I'm staying in my spot. I'm moving over. I'm going to the Tiger position in the huddle. He's like, nah, he's like 84. You the he's like 84 you the why I'm like huh? who told them to do that? they did they sent the play they sent the play in so

they call 2J Ystick Lookie which is the tight end has a two way go you know You know, hey, you can break it out. The tiger, he can come across the guy's face, or he can

break it out. In other words, the Y, which is what I'm playing now, he wouldn't address it. I was hot. Hold on. Is this on the... I bet this is on the back end of your carrito. He wouldn't address it. I was hot. Hold on. I played.

Is this on the, yeah, I bet this, I bet this is on the back end of your carrito. It is. It is. See, you see how they play you?

No, yeah, this is my, this is my, this is my, what year is this? This was, this was 1999.

1999. I never, I never forget it, don't you? And, they, 1999. 1999. I'll never forget it, don't you? And they I played a game and I'm seething. Right.

I know you were hot. Boy, I know you were hot. I told Kool who was the offensive coordinator at the time because he and I got a great relationship. I said, Kool,

do they ever pinch hit for Barry Barnes? Do they ever pinch hit for Ken Griffey Jr.? Come on now. I said, have y'all ever sent somebody else in to do that bull job? It ain't going to go well. Yeah.

And listen, you already know what they're doing. I'll tell you all this time. People in the chat, listen to this real quick. Think about all the great receivers. Think about all the great receivers even from my era, right? It's one thing that they always do. They always say at some point a player is losing a step or they're getting slow but you but you never ever see the part where

the opportunities decrease to make it look like there's something wrong with you or they work you out the offense they they always find a way to work you out the offense and put you in positions that they never used to before right it'll never really be nothing really wrong with you, but they find a way to work you out. And it's always small things like what you just said. If you talk to Julio Jones, you talk to AJ Green, you talk to the Andre Johnson's, the Randy Moss's, even the Jerry Rice's.

At some point, it always comes to a time if there's nothing wrong with you, they find ways to decrease your opportunities that make it seem as if there's something wrong with you to justify, well, you know what? Man, you're just not putting up the numbers you used to. You know, we think you might need to take a pay cut. Yeah. It's so funny how it works. Yeah.

Also, a guy that they thought was losing, I go to Baltimore, I. I lead the team in receiving and help them get to a Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah. That's the way it is. And then come back and I finished second. I finished second behind Rod both years. Yeah. And catches.

And yards. Had eight touchdowns my final year. Over 700 yards. Yeah. That's the dirty part of the business that people really don't understand or see. They never see that part. They just hear the media, oh, he's lost a step. Oh, there's something wrong

with him. Oh, he's not the same player he used to be. Well, hell, of course, if I'm not getting the same opportunities I used to get when I was putting up with the goddamn numbers. Of course. But I would have never not gone into the game because I had built up too much credibility with my teammates. Right, right, right, right.

And they had, they expect me to be the voice of reason. Even there have been times that I've like got on guys and I know things weren't going their way. I can see it. Hell, everybody can see. But I say for me, I've always felt I needed to remain, have a level of professionalism. Right. Now, pro, P-R-O, and professional are two different things. Yes, sir.

A professional is your job occupation. Right. A pro is how you handle situations. Right. So I wanted to be a professional and a pro because I always wanted to handle things the right way. There was a time and a place I had the conversation with Kool. Hey, bro, man, you go way. I said, Kool, man, you go way back.

You was my quarterback for two years. You helped me become the player that I became. You was the buffer that when me and Mike wasn't seeing eye to eye with button head, you was the guy like, hey, boss, we got to get the ball to 84. Yeah. Come on now. Yeah. Give me that. Let me have my dignity now. Yeah, give me that grace. You got to get a ball to 84. Come on now. Give me that. Let me have my dignity.

Yeah, give me that grace. You got to give me that grace. You understand. You know what you got to understand though? Kuviaq, even in that situation, you know his hands is tied now. Oh yeah, I do. You know that's coming from

a higher power now. That's the way that business works. Me and Mike used to butt heads. Yeah. And the thing was is that Mike thought money would motivate me. But when he realized

it wasn't money that I was playing for. Come on now. My situation, and this is why I can empathize with Tom because the thing that I wanted from Mike

was what Tom wanted from Bill. Right. Just the level of appreciation and respect. For what I've been able to do for you for a very long time.

That's it. Money wasn't it. Money wasn't it. Ocho, I never got... Ocho, I ain't even get no million dollar signing bonus. Right. And I was cool with that

because I know what I was capable of doing. Right. And I just tell him, I said, Mike, you can't find a tight end. There's not a tight end that's currently playing

that can do what I do. I don't care if he's an all-pro. First of all, he's not going to be an all-pro as long as I'm in the league. Come on now. How are you going to do that? I know you're listening. I had to grab my pen and paper because I know you're about to give me something good. I'm just saying.

I'm getting ready. I'm just trying to figure out how you figure there's going to be a tight end. First of all, the Pro Bowl and the AFC goes through me. Come on, man. Now, there might be some guys. Because you already know, at the start of the year, from 93 to 92 to 99, when it came to the Pro Bowl, man, I sure hope I can get that backup spot. Ooh.

What? It wasn't me to go to the AFC. Yeah. And me and Ben had it on lock yeah now if you was nice to me and call me right i would pull out and let you go okay okay okay i would leave i would pull out of the pro bowl because you know somebody goes to my oh what you pulling out of but i would do that yeah because it going to look good on your resume. Yes, sir. You got a contract coming up.

Hey, Pro Bowl look good. Yeah, yeah. You try to get whatever the case may be. Right. But, nah, Ocho. Check this out, Ocho. Yeah. Campbell signed a one-year, $5 million contract.

The 49ers gave him $3,350,000 signing bonus with 4.56 of the $5 million guaranteed. You can't do that. You can't do that. You can't allow emotions to get in the way of your job. For one, it's about being self-aware and understanding the position

that you're in. Understanding how you got in the position that you're in. So how do you think other teams are going to look at that? That's what I'm saying. Is he about to retire? Oh, Cho? Because this is what Kyle Shanahan said after the game.

This ain't no speculation. Because I was wondering, I was wondering, Kyle ripped Campbell after the Niners lost. That's somebody who doesn't want to play the game. Plain and simple. Because I was looking because Green Law seemed like he got nicked and he

asked out of the game. I said, well, damn, where's Campbell? But it didn't dawn on me. Yeah, during the game, right. It didn't. Because I'm looking for it because I think, okay, Greenlaw's in. Okay. Greenlaw comes out. I'm thinking, okay, Campbell's back in. Right. Boy, do you want to retire?

The one thing in pro sports that you cannot do above all else is quit. Yeah. You cannot be labeled to quit on Ocho. Yeah. You know that. Everybody knows that. Do not quit. Yeah, that's the worst. That's the worst. That's the worst, though, Joe. Yeah. You know that. Everybody knows that. Do not quit. Yeah, that's the worst.

That's the worst. That's the worst. That is it. Yeah, once that label. And then, obviously, and not only quitting, but quitting on a team like the 49ers. So if you're going to quit on a team like that, despite their struggles this season, hey, they're going to look at you funny in the light. So, in other words, you front-running.

So, now they go a little adversity. They struggling as a team. You don't get your way. You're not playing. And you're going to quit? Well, you know what you went through. I don't want it. Listen, I wish I could talk to him. But you know what you went through to get to this point?

Do you know what you went through? Do you know how many people wish they was in your position? To have an opportunity to even be playing in the NFL? Come on, man. Don't forget how you went through. Do you know how many people wish they was in your position? To have an opportunity to even be playing in the NFL. Come on, man. Don't forget how you got here. Don't lose sight of that. Don't lose sight of that. I know he don't see this.

Don't lose sight of that. I hope he took care of his money. I mean, hey, that's tough. And that's what I tell guys. That's tough Ocho and that's what I tell guys that's tough listen if you do the right thing yeah

you can steal another you can steal a year or two yeah you can steal a year or two Ocho yeah yeah don't mess

don't mess that up bro cause at the end of the day all you got is your name Ocho yeah now I promise you this guy's been to Pro Bowls he's been the all pro now this gonna follow him yeah this go oh joe and mark anthony's uh uh uh uh oration about julius caesar he say the good that the good get buried it's the bad that gets left behind that's what people remember

hold on bring it when when mark on. When Mark Anthony was giving his oration about Julius Caesar, he said, friends, Roman countrymen, lend me your ear. He said, I come to praise it, not bury him. But he said, nah. He said, the good goes in the ground with you.

It's the bad. This is going to follow this man. Yeah, it definitely is. Yes, sir. It's the bad. This going to follow this man. Yeah. It definitely is. It definitely is. I just don't, I don't, I don't throw.

It's when you allow emotions. Emotions, you allow emotions and pride and ego to get in the way. Ocho. Yes, sir. When emotions are high,

what is logic? Low. Very low. Extremely. Extremely. I think, you know what's going to happen is, is he going to get an opportunity to allow those emotions to come down, allow that anger to come down and reflect on all the things I've been through to even get to this point. And here I am throwing it away because I'm upset, because I'm angry.

And I hope, I hope, you know, I don't wish for nobody to lose their job. I hope he can go and he can talk to Shanahan. I'm not sure if he's going to extend him that grace. Not that. Understand it? Because you quit. You can't quit. You just can't.

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Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask Attorney General... I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal

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Mm. Mm. I just don't. It's just like, and people get upset at me because I don't know too much. You know, you dancing. I just want to win. Yeah. That's it.

What are we doing this for? Yeah, the money's going to come. You're going to make money. Yeah. But in the process, I don't care how much. Man, losing gets old. I've done both. And I'd rather win than lose.

Yes, sir. Give me making money because you make money. Who doesn't make money? Right. But that losing... What? You ain't got to tell me. You're like, bro,

what the hell am I doing this for? Right. I done got up and denied myself and been away from my family, lived all these heavyweights, lived to eat all this food, doing all the right things, cold tubs, stretching,

Pilates, yoga. Bro, what? Yeah. Hey, listen, stretching, Pilates, yoga. For what? Yeah. Hey, listen, think about all that, think about all that you just said, right? And I played 11,

11, 12 years. How many winning seasons you think I had in that 12 year span? Well, unfortunately, you played for the Bengals, so. You ain't had the,

oh, hey, there was two. It was two, too. It was two. But, I never ever, I never, hey, listen, I know two It was two But I never ever I know it's funny But I never ever allowed The winning situation

To falter and affect Determine your place Oh no Oh no We was horrible But I guarantee you Boy if you pay $80 for a ticket You finna get $80 worth of entertainment

Whether we playing home or away, I don't care what our record is. I'm coming, I'm coming, I'm showing up to show out. As you should. Because losing, they don't pay you based on whether you want to lose.

Oh, no. You get a salary regardless. Yeah. So that man give me an honest day's salary, I'm going to give his ass an honest day's work. And he's going to get it every time. Every single time. Not only am I playing

for that organization, not only that, I'm playing for that name on the back of that jersey. Hell yeah. I ain't finna embarrass myself and everybody else I represent outside of that uniform.

It ain't happening. Mm-hmm. Ain't happening. Hey. You absolutely right. And there's something You, you apps, you absolutely right. And there's something to be said that when you play for an organization, but look at your name, look out,

look, you only had two winter season, but your royalty in Cincinnati, because of the way you conducted yourself, the way you played the game. You go back. I can go back to Denver. Now I don't get a chance to go back.

I can go back to Baltimore. I don't get a chance to go back. But, uh, hell I'm working. So, you know, man, you need to come. Now, I don't get a chance to go back. I can go back to Baltimore. I don't get a chance to go back. But hell, I'm working. So, you know, man, you need to come. Y'all do realize I got to work, right? Yeah.

Now, if it's a special event, you know, special occasion and stuff, I'll definitely try to get back. Like one of my teammates or something that I played with got an opportunity to go into the pro football, excuse me, got the Hall of Fame ring or something like that. I always try

to get back, but it's just hard now because just like my focus was on football at the time that I played, my focus now is on nightcalling. I've got to make sure that I'm prepared to do the thing and it's just hard. I mean, I remember going back and trying to

watch the game and I really wasn't no fun because I'm up in Mr. Bolin's box and I ain't watching the game on the field. Hell, I'm watching all the other games because I got to talk about them tomorrow on Undisputed. So I've got to do my due diligence

because it's not fair. It's not fair to Skip. It's not fair to FS1 that I bring my ass on the show and I'm over there just just freelancing right because i haven't watched the game no no that's not what he paid me for so in that situation but hopefully devon uh campbell who figured this out but that's not a good that's that's not a good

look yeah devondre devondre campbell is his name. If Kyle Shanahan said, this is what he told reporters after the game, Devondre Campbell told the team, in other words, he told Kyle, he didn't want to play anymore and he left the game in the third quarter of tonight's game. Per head coach Kyle Shanahan, Travarius Ward said he spoke to Devondre Campbell

leaving the team in the middle of the game. He probably is going to get cut. You probably. You probably. Kyle ripped Campbell after the Niners lost, saying, that's somebody who doesn't want to play the game. It's plain

and simple. Damn. Kittle was not happy either. If you're on the roster, you suit up, you expect to play. I think anyone in this building that has asked to go win would say 100% of everybody

will die getting off their field, football field, excuse me. Things go on in football field and his decision wasn't for this organization, not even the team. And that's on on him and i'm not happy about it i hope i'm never around anyone who does that again the one thing if you listen if you're a professional at that look don't you i hadn't had a whole lot of jobs now i've had a whole lot of i had some jobs that i wanted to quit right working in the back of field onions, picking up pecan,

watermelon belly. Hell, I wanted to quit those jobs. You don't think I wanted to quit? What better part of it than to have that? No, sir. You cannot quit as a professional athlete. That is the worst thing. Ocho, I'm trying to think.

Can you think of something worse that you could do as a teammate to your team that's counting? Because I'm counting everybody. I'm counting on everybody. Ocho, I put my playing career, I'm putting everything in your hands. I'm asking you to do the same thing.

Yes, sir. And then... Man, what Ocho? Man, Ocho, man what Ocho man Ocho man Ocho say he done shit me nah

don't even use nah don't use me as no example use somebody else name nah I'm a hey where he at

man he walking out the field now I gotta come down Ocho and Sharp is blaring on the sideline I don't know what happened

man get your ass back in here hey listen the first thing that would jog through my mind if i even thought about quitting is the obstacles and the hurdles that i had to go through to even get to this point i went through hell to even make it to the league and you think the fact that i finally made it think. Think about that feeling when that name went across that ticker or when you got that phone call from your organization. Think about that feeling you had

with the tears flowing in your family, everybody crying and celebrating, and you finally make it. And you reach the childhood dream, the pinnacle of it. I wanted to always be an NFL player. I finally make it because of the situation. I'm going to walk away from it. I wanted to always be an NFL player. I finally make it because of the situation.

I'm going to walk away from it. Because I can't play. Because I'm not starting no more. Because they want me to come off the bench. Hell no. All the work I done put in. Everything it took for me to get to this point. You think I'm going to quit?

Man, nigga, please. I mean, nigga, please. Oh, brother, I mean, child, please. Ocho, think about how many times from when you started to where you ended up, things didn't go your way and you didn't quit. No, definitely didn't. Now you at that point, you like, man, F this. Mm-mm. Mm-mm.

Oh, well. Yeah. All right, O Oh, well. Yeah. All right, Ocho. Now it's time for Money Moves presented by DraftKings. The Carolina Panthers. Oh. That. Yeah.

The Carolina Panthers are favored to win a football game for the first time in exactly two years on Sunday. They're favored for the first time in 33 games. And they're favored versus the Cowboys. They enter Week 15 against the Cowboys as a narrow three-point home favorite, making it the first time since Week 15 of 2022 that they are actually the betting favorite to win a game. Rightfully so. They should be.

They should be for everybody in the chat. If you watch the Panthers play defensively and offensively the past three weeks, wait, maybe four weeks in the team that they played, it's come down to the goddamn nail in the coffin. Damn near to the end. Bryce Young, I don't know what you've been eating for breakfast. I don't damn near to the end bryce young i don't know what you've been eating for breakfast i don't know what you've been eating for lunch i don't

know what you've been eating for dinner but boy you're playing some hell of a football now you look like the bryce young we're used to seeing from alabama now you look like the bryce young that they pick number one you playing good football great football and the reason why they're on the point that you're scoring everything starts at the quarterback position yeah everything starts at a quarterback position and you're doing everything right that you should be doing to give your team the best chance to win which is why you guys are the favorite because of your play yeah i mean years. Yeah. Long time coming. And you're the favorite. Long time coming.

Long time. And you know what the funny thing about it is? What's that? This is the good thing. This might be the start of something special, but not just the Panthers fans, but the Panthers organization, but for the team in general. Because all you got to do now, based on what you have going on, even though you're losing the games, you're competing, huh? You're competing. Yes. have going on, even though you're losing the games, you're competing, huh? You're competing. People are barely beating you, so you finna stack it, stack them

one at a time. One at a time. Take this momentum that you're finishing the season with, carry that bitch on in the next year. You're gonna have all season acquisitions, you're gonna have a draft, and that team is gonna continue to get better, you're gonna get pieces in there, and before you know it,

everything will change. Before you know it. And it all starts with a quarterback and the quarterback is playing the way he should be playing, which is a good thing for the Panthers and that organization. Hey Leggett, don't you let, hey, don't you come out of this game talking

about my bad. Hey, I know my dog been of this game talking about my bad. Hey. I know my dog. I know my dog been on that jug machine heavy, though. Heavy, though. Hey, you done talked about you done had a coon for Thanksgiving, so you should be straight. Coon and baked potato.

You done probably had him cut up in some bell peppers. Yeah, yeah. Or onion. Yeah. Probably had a nice old sweet potato. You used to have them sweet potatoes, Ocho. You don't know nothing about that. But anyway.

And see, you know, back in the day, we had a fireplace, too potato You used to have them sweet potatoes Ocho You don't know nothing about that But anyway And see you know Back in the day We had a fireplace too Ocho So we take sweet potatoes And put them right down there In the front of the fireplace With a hot coal Put the coals on them Yes sir

There it is I know about sweet potato I know about sweet potato Yeah but you cook them in the stove We cook down in the fireplace Put them hot coals on them Yeah Uh huh

Okay What? Okay Put some butter in that thing? It still tastes the same, though. Uh, X coming. Legit.

He coming on night, Cabocho. When? Tonight. For real? Get that boy on your bed. Not tonight. Not tonight. In the future. Oh, man. This next week. When they beat the Cowboys on Sunday. Ah, there we go.

Matter of fact, you know what? I can see it right now. I'm not saying I'm Cleo. He's going to score twice. I damn sure hope so. He's going to score. Listen, he's going to score twice. So this Sunday.

He's coming on this Sunday. After they beat the Cowboys. Yeah, he's going to score twice. So this Sunday, he coming on this Sunday. After they beat the Cowboys. Yeah, he going to score twice. Watch. I bet you. Guarantee you. Yeah. But I'm happy for Bryce Young.

Yeah, most definitely. They're playing much better offensively and defensively. They get after you defensively. They were very close to a ball game, very close to beating Kansas City, very close to beating Philly and early in the year

those were games they would have lost by 30 blowouts they would have lost those games by 30 this is something they can build on you know who I'm happy for? I'm happy for Coach Kanellis I'm happy for him because the way they were playing

he was going to get fired. If you look at David Tepper's track record and his impatience when it comes to coaching and thinking that you can continue to bring people in and there's never any continuity as far as the head coach being able to gel with his team and giving coaches a chance to win and build a winning team. I'm glad they turned things around for the head coach because now that person's off his back. Look, Dave Temper, look what I'm doing now.

You see, we're on the right track. Give me a little bit more leash. Give me a little bit more leash, and I'm going to get it together. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures The Volume. world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair.

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