Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Ravens disappointing season, Saquon explodes in Eagles win, Lamar’s legacy

Episode Date: January 20, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills fending off a late run by Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens after TE Mark Andrews drops the potential game-tying 2-point conversion. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Philadelphia Eagles RB Saquon Barkley having an explosive game against Matthew Stafford and the Los Angeles Rams to advance to the NFC Championship Game for the second time in three years, Unc wants Lamar to get at least one Super Bowl to solidify his legacy and much more!03:20 - Show start04:00 - Intro05:42 - Ravens v Bills50:10 - Eagles v Rams(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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advancing to the AFC Championship game for the first time since 2021. Heartbreaking loss for the Ravens. The Bills will head to Kansas City for a rematch. Remember, Kansas City went to Buffalo. I think they lost by double digits. Now, the regular season doesn't matter. If Buffalo proved they lost really big, really bad to,

uh, who, who was that? The Ravens earlier this year, Derek Henry ran wild, but Buffalo gets their revenge. And now they turned around and head back to Kansas city. Uh,

Buffalo is the only team to beat Kansas city starters during the regular season and the entire regular season in 2024. Remember, Ocho, they sought their starters the last game. But at the end of the day, this game came down to turnovers and missed opportunities. The Ravens are going to kick themselves. They turned the ball over. Lamar had two bad turnovers early in the ballgame. And then this is a game that Mark Andrews is going to want to forget.

He had a couple of drops, Ocho. He had a costly fumble. And then the two-point conversion. You know in a situation like that, Ocho, when the weather's bad like that, if you bobble, it's over. You're not going to catch it again because the ball's too slick.

And you got no footing. And so once he bobbled it, you know it was like, well, this is it. This is the opportunity. But when you look at this game, and it's another disappointing season, and we can't place all of this at the feet of Lamar.

I didn't think he played well early. I thought they got away from the running game too soon, Ocho. Because you look at when they came out of the locker room in the third quarter, and they got the ball, what'd they do, Ocho? Boom, boom, boom, boom. Went right down the field, running the ball. Go ahead, Ocho.

Go ahead. Right down the field. They got the... Can you please explain to me, understanding how you won all season long, even with the turnovers that you did have. You had opportunity. You had opportunity. There are moments in a football game.

There are moments in a playoff game. There are one, two, maybe three plays, if that, that matter. Out of all the plays that you run in the game. And those moments, those plays that actually mattered, they didn't capitalize on those opportunities despite the turnovers that you had. Yeah. Despite the turnovers. Like, listen, I'm not one to blame the game on one person.

I would never do that. The turnovers hurt from Lamar. One of them didn't count because it was still tied up. And even though they go down and score on that turnover, he still had opportunity

to tie the game back up. Right. Second one, the fumble. Now that's costly. Yeah. Yeah. That's costly. Andrews.

You have to live with that, the Ocho, because we've seen him bobber the snap. We saw him against your Bengals. He bobbered the snap and threw a touchdown to likely. So you're going to have to live with that, Ocho, because we've seen him bobber the snap. We saw him against your Bengals. He bobbered the snap and threw a touchdown to likely. So you're going to have to live with him because I know a lot of people say

Lamar just fall on it, live to see another day. But what makes him Lamar Jackson is his ability to turn a disaster into something dynamic. Yeah. Tonight just wasn't it. I feel bad for Mark Andrews because it was right there. It was right there. All he had to do was be able to just to secure that catch. If anything, why should that's his step was his second or third drop.

That's a second. He had two drops and a fumble. Remember, they punched it out. He had a big game and the dude punched it out and they go down. And if I'm not mistaken, I think they went down and got a field goal. So that's what pushed it to an eight point game. You got to make that catch on by all means. You got to look that in. You got to stare at the laces on that ball and look at all the way. And if you got to go back to the basics, the basic fundamentals of catching the ball, you can't drop a ball in that scenario like that. Yeah. You can't. Cause it allows you to, it gives your team another chance,

a second chance. Now you put it back on your defense. Now you put it back on your defense to stop them. Don't let them get in field goal range. Now, uh, Josh, now maybe they're going to play a little free.

So now Josh is going to probably do a little bit more running around because he has some freedom. So now he can rely on his legs. And I thought that's the thing that really helped Lamar. Like Buffalo didn't want to give it the big play, but the one thing you got to do is you got to keep him in the pocket. You can't let him get outside the pocket. You let him get outside the pocket so he started off, he's running.

Now he gets outside of the pocket, he hits likely. He gets outside of the pocket, he hits Sims. He gets outside of the pocket, he hits Andrews. You can't let him get outside the pocket. Make him beat you from the pocket. And I know it's a lot easier said than done, but you want to keep him in that box. And if he works his magic in the box on Joe, you just have to live

with that because you can't take everything away. But I'm going to take away what I know you want to do, which is get outside the pocket and buy yourself time. Yeah. I mean, the first half, the Bills played really good. They did. It looks I mean, the first half, the Bills played really good. They did. It looks like they bullied the Ravens on both sides of the ball. They did.

Even though, when you look at it, now, I know I'm not blind. I know I'm not blind and I know what I'm seeing. The Ravens defensively are first in almost every statistical category.

But what I saw from the Bills in the first half, it didn't seem that way. I don't know if the conditions played a part in that and them being successful running the ball and moving it down with the intermediate game through the pass. I don't know if the conditions played any kind of part in that.

But, like, it sucks. It sucks. It does. It does because this is a promising season. Let me tell you how I know it sucks because I feel bad for Lamar for one does. Let me tell you how I know it sucks because I feel bad for Lamar for one and it's how you know I feel bad

because I'm not even making fun of you. I'm not even making fun of you about your team losing and going on. I'm not even making fun of you because honestly as a banger

as much as I love my bangers I really thought and wanted and I can say this, I really wanted Lamar to win this one because I know he's going to win the MVP

and I want him to have success in the playoffs and go far into the playoffs so we can get that monkey off his back. So get that monkey off his back and it just didn't happen. Obviously, the turnovers played a part in it, even though there were moments in the game where things could have shifted in their favor

and given that team another chance and opportunity to win. It just didn't go their way. And that sucks. And that's what it is, Ocho, is that we look at Lamar and we've seen Lamar this season have games where he's damn near perfect. Well, he has a perfect quarterback passing rating, 158.3. You can't get any higher than that. And we've seen him have those games. For whatever reason,

we have those games have come few and far between when it matters the most. This is when it matters the most because there's finality to this. There is no tomorrow. There is no tomorrow. This great season, we got an all pro quarterback

that's probably going to win his third MVP in a five year span we got an all pro running back that works for damn near

2,000 yards now Zayne Flowers not being in there that hurt but they still got two of the best tight ends they still got I believe they got

two top 10 tight ends nobody else can say that in the NFL they've got you know Marlon Humphrey was the first team all pro at the slot. Hamilton made the Pro Bowl. I think they had a defensive line.

Matt Bequick made the Pro Bowl. They had another game in. Made the Pro Bowl. This is very disappointing. You look at the way they turned this season around, especially defensively, Ocho. They were really good offensively. They lost some games that you you're like y'all go and y'all beat this team but y'all lose to the raiders how the hell y'all lose to the raiders uh i think they lost ended up

losing maybe ended some other team that wasn't very good and you're asking yourself how the ravens losing to these teams with lamar and derrick henry and all these weapons that they have is that if you go back and study Lamar, and y'all can dress it up however you want to, Ocho in the playoffs, he's had, look at how many games that he's actually played in the playoffs, and then look at how many multiple turnover games he's had in the playoffs. Now go back, juxtapose, rewind it, press play,

look at the regular season all of it starts, and look at how many multiple turnover games. Not nearly. So damn near every game that he – damn near every game, the two-thirds of the games that he's played in the playoffs, he's turning the ball over. When you turn the ball over, not only do you don't give yourself to still get play after play after play, you give them possession.

So now they take you off the field because they're really not like a turnover defense, Ocho. They give occasionally, but they don't really like take the ball away like the old Ravens and put points on the board with it. But now all of a sudden, instead of, you know, seven, eight, nine, ten plays where you can have something to hang your hat on, you only get three plays because you've turned the ball over. And that's what is hurting Lamar.

And I know he's like, man, here we go again. It has to. Don't let anybody tell you. I know you're going to say, yes, it does. Because you know what happened last year? You had two turnovers. And you had two turnovers in the first half this year. So you're playing, all of a sudden, it's going through your mind, and everybody's

thinking the same thing in Baltimore. Here we go again. Lamar, because think about it, Ocho, the man only had four interceptions the same thing in Baltimore. Here we go again. Lamont, because think about it, Ocho. The man only had four interceptions the entire year. Season. So he plays 18 games, 18 plus one. He didn't turn the ball over against Pittsburgh. So he played 18 games with four interceptions,

and then you come out here and have another interception. And then I think he had another fumble. He just has to let – and I don't want him to get over this so bad because it's a very disappointing season. Because like I said, Ocho, you and I both believe he's about to be a three-time league MVP. And here it is. He is.

He is. He's going to win it. He's going to win it. Because what he did during the regular season, you can't take it away from him. You can't because it was the special season. It was. He has to understand.

And listen, I know Lamar already knows. When you go into the postseason and if you look at when you made it before and you've lost, you've lost. The one thing that comes down is the turnovers. You make it that much difficult. You put your team behind the eight ball when you turn the ball over. And you say it all the time, Monk. You make it that much difficult. You put your team behind the eight ball when you turn the ball over. And you say it all the time, Monk. You pay double for them.

You pay double for them. Even though you had a chance to come back, now everything else has to go well or damn near perfect to get yourself back in the game. It is. And if you look at Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco's not a third of the quarterback, but can't play all time? Oh, yeah. Joe Flacco is not a third of the quarterback but can't play all time

oh yeah Joe Flacco supposed to have been the two Super Bowls he hit Lee Evans in the hand and had the Patriots beat and he dropped it knocked it and then we know he went on the road he went on the road and beat Peyton in his house he went on the road and beat Tom in his

house and he went and he won a Super Bowl and he had Tom beat again in his house. And he went and he won a Super Bowl. And he had Tom beat again in his house. Yeah. Joe Flacco played above. You would think, Joe, you're like, hold on, wait a minute. How the hell are you doing this in the playoff? You don't look nothing like this in the regular season. They was calling Joe Flacco, that's Joe Montana.

Yeah. It's just the opposite with Lamar. I don't know what it is, Ocho. I don't know if he's putting too much pressure. I don't know if he's putting too much pressure. I don't know if it's a mental hurdle. But for the turnovers, you go back and look at his first playoff game against the Titans in the divisional round, he turned the ball over. He played, remember, in the next year, he goes on the road to play Buffalo.

He throws a 100-plus yard interception. He comes back last year. He had two interceptions. Zay Flowers had, again, Zay Flowers' interception was very, turnover was costly because they was like at the one-yard line. You would like to think Ocho, well, he fumbled in the end zone. So you like to think Ocho. Yeah.

They're going to get points out of that, maybe a touchdown. And then Mark Andrews, they're driving again. He punches it out. Drop pass on the two-point conversion. It's just tough because they're going to put this at, yeah, he dropped the ball. Mark Andrew didn't play a good game, but they're going to place this at the feet of Lamar because he's their best player. He's going to be the guy that's going to win the MVP.

Not Mark Andrews, not anybody else. But listen, he won the MVP, right? Not only what he was able to do with his legs, but also his supporting cast. Yes. His supporting cast. And you need your supporting cast to show up for you all the time, as much as you'd like to.

Now, listen, the onus is on you as a quarterback. When you win, you get the praise. When you lose, they're going to let you have it. But your supporting cast has to come in for you, especially in times like this. They have to. They have to. Ocho, if it was a situation where they're going back and forth

and all of a sudden somebody fumbled the ball and Lamar had one of those days where he's like five touchdowns and he doesn't turn the ball over, but somebody else gets stripped or somebody, you know, ball caroms off their hand. You're like, hey, I don't know what y'all want Lamar to do. The man had five touchdown passes. He didn't have a turnover. That was the receiver got it pulled out.

That was the running back to fumble the ball. But these situations, Ocho, they had three turnovers tonight. That matched their total from the last seven games. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. And conditions, we can't make no excuses. Yeah. Hell, the weather's bad in Baltimore.

That makes me like, oh, Joe, oh, the weather. Bro, Baltimore, what's the weather like in Baltimore? Cleveland, what's the weather like in Cleveland? Cincinnati, what's the weather like in Cincinnati? Pittsburgh, what's the weather like in Cleveland? Cincinnati. What's the weather like in Cincinnati? Pittsburgh. What's the weather like in Pittsburgh? Baltimore plays bad weather games. Newsflash, and they don't play in a dome.

If you didn't know better, we're going to talk about this game a little later. If I didn't tell you, if you didn't know the Rams within LA, you would think, hold on, how is Matthew Stafford throwing the ball like this? How are they doing what they're doing? They're not supposed to be able to do like this. It's sunny in California. They play in a dome. Arizona is in a dome.

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While they have the team that they have right now, what do you think the window of opportunity for them is to actually get to a chip?

As long as they got Lombardi, they still got a chance. No matter what. They still got a chance. Ocho, he's had multiple turnovers and only 14 of his 94 starts. That's 15%. He's had turnovers and his eight starts 50% of the time.

There it is for you in a nutshell. You pay double for turnovers in the playoffs. Right. Because guess what? And when you turn the ball over, no matter who it is, you pay double for turnovers in the playoffs. Right. Because guess what? If he doesn't, and when you turn the ball over, no matter who it is, obviously you don't want your quarterback once it leaves his hands.

But that last, those last three points, so now that touchdown and you kick a field goal, you're in the lead. Right. You're in the lead. Now you put the onus on them

to go down and have to make plays for you. Right. I just thought, and plus, look, those turnovers, you could have overcome them, Ocho. I just believe they got away from the running game too soon. Because you look at what they did in the third quarter. They dominated. They went back to bully ball. We're the more physical team.

And all of a sudden, those runs that was one and two yards, Derrick Henry started getting 10, 12. Justice Hill, he's getting 10, 20. Stick with it. Stick with it. Don't be disillusioned by the one to two. Because you know you're the Ravens. You're the number one rush team in football.

That's what you're damn near being every year since Lamar's taken over at the quarterback position. Be true to who you are. Yes, we know Lamar can throw the ball. Yes. But in this situation, hey, we're the more physical football team. And we're going to impose our will. And the thing is, you know, Zay Flowers playing,

and that's what you have to guard against Ocho he was in there they already had the lead he catch a little jailbreak screen and then you know he runs and the guy falls on him

and it looks like it looked like he's innocent at the time right but he's your best receiver he's your guy that's going to the Pro Bowl and you don't have him

for two games yeah now Rashad Bateman played well likely played unbelievable it's going to be interesting to see what they do and likely I don't know him for two games. Yeah. Now, Rashad Bateman played well. Likely played unbelievable. It's going to be interesting to see what they do with Likely. I don't know if he's on the contract, but somebody's going to pay him a ton of money if he's not.

Absolutely. Because he can play. He can play. He can run. I mean, he big. He can run. He's agile. I mean, for a guy his size, the way he can drop his hip.

Yeah. He can drop his hip, stop, play it, cut, transition. I really like his game. Yeah, he can do it. He can do everything really well, especially if he goes to another team that is more past the Citric, you know, as far as. And he's the number one option.

Uh-huh. And he's a bigger part of the game plan. Yes, sir. He's a bigger part of the game plan. Because, look, first of all, Ravens are a running team. We know that. Zay Flowers is the number one option.

And he's having to split targets and everything with Andrews. Right. Now he goes, he's going to be the man to track. He's going to be the number one tight end. And now, with his ability to run the way he can catch in his catch radius,

hell, who would just say that he can't be the number one option? Yeah. That's a possibility. Hold on. Depending on where you go now. Yes. That's the thing, Ocho.

The possibility of him going somewhere is going to be a team that needs a receiving tight end. Right. And he can make those plays. But we talk about this all the time, Ocho, and when we're talking about it, you're like, what happens if Lamar don't win? Because we've already broached the subject like,

Ocho, he wins the MVP and he doesn't get to the Super Bowl. What are they going to say? He didn't even get to the championship game this year. He got to the championship game last year. He didn't even get to the championship game this year. And again, it's the game, you lose games to the Raiders. How do you lose to the championship game last year he didn't get to the championship game this year and so again it's the games you lose games to the Raiders how you lose to the Raiders

who they lose to Ash I know they lost to the Raiders oh they lost to Cleveland remember they lost to Cleveland on Joe and we like how the F y'all lose to Cleveland they went away from the run yes they went away from the run in that game as well so now all of a sudden

you get Baltimore to come in your building. Now, I don't know if you have enough to overtake, to overtake Kansas City. But,

you know, Kansas City beat you. So if y'all finish with the same record, they own the tiebreaker because they beat you head to head. Yeah.

Baltimore lose. I mean, Buffalo losing that game. Now, Buffalo has a type of uh offense that can travel because that quarterback is really really dangerous very thinking that's what he can play in any condition uh any condition because he can throw the ball through a hurricane same as lamar you got to contain him you know he's gonna buy time and buy time and buy time

the guy's gonna come open um he can run ball, you know, get outside the pocket and run. He can get outside the pocket and throw the ball over your head. He's really accurate. He can roll left, roll right. This team is capable. This is what they wanted was an opportunity to get back at Kansas City, to go back to one of their most painful losses because they had the game won with 13 seconds on the clock, Ocho.

Yeah. They had the game in hand. And they had the game. Think about it, Ocho. They had the game like four or five times. Gabe Davis comes to touchdown and puts him up. They passed him on to Tyreek

and he puts him up and puts Kansas City back up. And then Gabe Davis said, nah, let me show y'all something. He gets another touchdown. He said, nah, we got y'all there. Y'all, hey, we done put the stake

through the vampire's heart. Nah, that's crazy. Listen, I mean, listen, man. Now, listen, now back to you. Now, you can't say football. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't you?

You can't say football. That's the home, whoa, Jojo You can't say football That's the home team That's Florida Born to the beach Hold on, hold on now I know that Hold on, hold on Now you talked about your Broncos

You done grabbed all your helmets You done talked about your trophies last week And all that Now, so I just want to let you know You can't say playoff What about Hill? What was that? Oh, nah, nah, nah. Y'all, they went home last week. They went home last week.

Hold on, hold on. Let me get something, man. Damn. Hold on. What I got down here? Oh. Now you, anything, anything start with a R? A B? Don't even say anything start with a B. Nothing start with an R tonight. The rest of the show. And I'm still upset

them boys. What do I do for a joke? What's that? What's that? A cup holder? Nah. Hey, both your teams at home now.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. hey both both your teams at home now yeah yeah yeah yeah you don't feel bad don't you yeah listen I'm just being honest

you know and people in the chat I'm not sure if you're fans if you're fans of the Ravens or not I'm just gonna be honest

with you I really I really wanted Lamar obviously my bangles are in it and if there was anyone if there was a horse that I had in the race it was just one to see Lamar. Obviously, my bangles are in it. And if there was anyone, if there was a horse that I had in the race,

it was just one to see Lamar get it done. I wanted to see him get it done. I'm just being honest. I'm just being honest. So it's upsetting to me, you know, and I just, I know what they're going to say. Did you say that, though, Joe? Yeah. Hey, y'all lost, man.

I'm trying to rattle my parade. I'm not trying don't joke? Yeah. Hey, Yonk, y'all lost, man. Yonk, y'all lost. Yonk, why you trying to rattle my parade? I'm not trying to rattle your parade. The parade is raining on you. That's the difference. I mean, it's not a little something. I don't know a raven, you know. Sometimes I think you forgot I played for the Ravens.

But, Yonk, Yonk, you played for the Ravens. Yonk, you was there for two minutes. Hold on. What did that bat say? Can you see that bat? What'd it say? Something 35. It's wrong enumerator.

It's 35. I don't know. XXX5. Beat. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know you're a Super Bowl champ. Congratulations.

I won a Super Bowl. Hey, I won a Super Bowl on Madden. Oh, can you see me? Yeah, I can see you. I won a Super Bowl on Madden. Can you see me? Yeah, I can see you. I want a Super Bowl. Hold on. I got two teams. You got no teams.

And now all of us have to play up. Listen, we can't coon on three. However you want to do it. All right. One, two, three. Can't coon. I guess I might as well take me a drink. I'm going to take me a One, two, three, I guess I might take me a drink.

I'm going to take me a drink, too. Take me a drink, too. Man. Man, they got away from the run too early, Ocho. Yeah, man. I said, look, don't be frustrated if it's not going well early.

Rely on Derek Hinton. Rely on that run game. Damn. That one hurt. But again, as a fan of the game, as a fan of football, again, I didn't have no horse in the race. Now you just, Lamar's a Florida boy. He's the only one in the playoffs that I was rooting for. You know, on that side. So if anything, boy, have that.

I'm rooting for you. It didn't happen. I'm happy for the Bills fans. I'm sure there are a lot of Bills fans in the chat. Congratulations to you guys. Congratulations to Josh Allen. Now we're going to have a nice game coming up. Another what?

AFC Championship game? AFC championship game? AFC championship game. It's going to be a good one. They beat them a couple years ago. They beat them one year in the championship game, right? Didn't they happen to be

beat already? Beat the the building of the championship? I know that divisional, that was the greatest divisional round because every play came down to the last second. Tennessee, no, your Bengals beat Tennessee on the last second kick.

Who was that? Kansas City beat Buffalo on the last second touchdown. But everybody, the Rams beat Tampa on the last second kick. And the 49ers beat Green Bay on the last second kick. So it was chaos. It was unbelievable. But, man, I just feel bad because, you know, you would have thought now a potential three-time league MVP

would have made it to the super bowl by now yeah he's young he's 28 but ocho just because some damn marino went to the super bowl at 23 yeah and never went back we've got to stop saying oh he's young it ain't no guarantee no you've got to take you've got to take advantage of these opportunities there is no guarantee because lamar jackson is old he's gonna get what he got plenty bro that's why that's why i asked you that question earlier that's why i asked you that question as far as the window of opportunity goes based on the team the structure of the team and the players that they have right now, what are their chances? And, you know, obviously, whenever you have a Lamar Jackson, your chance is good every goddamn year.

Yeah. Your supporting cast does matter. So Lamar Jackson doesn't have to shoulder the load of everything and having to feel he has to put the team on his back to get to a chip. If there was a year you were going to do it, it would be this year. I'm assuming they can keep everybody intact offensively and defensively. I'm not sure who has to leave, who's due for contracts. Next year as well.

Another opportunity. Probably Kyle Hamilton is due a contract. But the thing is, Ocho, is that when you look at it, is that they really didn't have no significant injury. Derrick Henry was there the whole year. Yeah.

Lamar Jackson was there the whole year. He was there the whole year. Likes it the whole year. Zay missed the playoffs, but he was there the whole year. Yeah. For the most part,

their key guys played really well. Kyle Vannoy had, what, a career year in sacks. Yeah. Do we believe he'll have another career year next year? At some point in time, Ocho, when you take Derrick Henry, 1,900 yards, Lamar Jackson had a season of seasons. At some point in time, you got to cash this in, Ocho.

Yeah. You can't keep getting up to the finish line and letting somebody nip you at the tape. Yeah. You've got to cash these moments. And we do this all the time, Ocho. Oh, he's young. But that's not how I work in sports. Just because you're young, there ain't no guarantee.

Yeah. Guess what? Guess who else is young? A lot of these. Y'all basically like Mahomes 40. He's only a year older than Lamar. And he's in this game. Josh Allen is a year younger.

Look at these quarterbacks. Jane Daniels is how old? What, 23? Hell nah. Yeah, he might be 23 because he transferred. He transferred from Arizona State. Jayden Daniels is 24? Jayden Daniels is 24.

24? Yeah, but you look at all these quarterbacks. Josh Allen, Joe, all these guys, they're young. And none of these guys, you look at Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar, Josh Allen, Bo Nix, Jayden Daniels, all these guys. Now, the older statesman is Matthew Stafford he's 36 Jerry Goff

is in his 30s but these young guns they're here yeah they're here Jordan Love Jordan Love

is 20 something but the notion that oh he's young he'll be back there ain't no guarantee you know

the funny thing is about it if we talk about you know Lamar talking about oh he's young he'll be back. There ain't no guarantee. You know what the funny thing is about it? If we talk about, you know, Lamar, talk about, oh, he's young, he'll be back. Look at the slate of the AFC quarterbacks you just named. Mm-hmm. It's going to be hell for the next decade. Yes.

Talk about, you'll be back. Boy, all right. Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrell, Lamar Jackson. Who else? Who else talk to me? AFC, AFC quarterbacks. Bo Nix, Justin Herbert made the playoffs. We're? Who else talked to me? AFC, AFC quarterbacks. Bo Nix, Justin Herbert made the playoffs. We're talking about guys

Justin Herbert made the playoffs, yes. We know they're going to get better and the team's going to regroup because when you play in the playoffs and you lose, the team will never be the same again. The exact same players that's in that locker room today, they won't be there next year. Some players are going to go

some... Hold on. Who's to say Todd Monkey doesn't get a head coaching job? Ah. See, nobody ever factored that in. Wait, I got another one for you. Listen, with the amount of coaches interviewing this offseason, it's time for the Ravens to move on from John Harbaugh.

Nah. Nah. I don't think so. I think Harbaugh did't think so. I think Harv did an unbelievable job. They won another. I think it's disappointing, Ocho, because again, we got to have a three-time league MVP, and we're not in the Super Bowl. He's won a Super Bowl. It's going to be disappointing.

It's going to be disappointing. His career will be what his career is. But if Lamar Jackson doesn't get to a Super Bowl, Ocho, it's going to be disappointing his career will be what his career is but if mark jackson doesn't get to a super bowl show it's going to be very disappointing yeah it's going to be unfulfilling because he he promised the ravens a super bowl he when he got drafted dion time asked him what are the ravens getting he said the ravens are going to get a super bowl out of me you can bet you can bet on that you know i think you, honestly? I think he's going to hold true to his promise. I think he's going to hold true to his promise. At some point, you're going to get over that hump.

When you get to the playoffs and you protect the ball, as opposed to how you have in other postseason games. 50% of your playoff game, you turn the ball over multiple times. Yeah. I think, one, you turned the ball over multiple times. Yeah. But I think one you can manage. Two? Ugh.

Yeah. You make it difficult. You make it very, very difficult. Because the first when your defense bowed their back and didn't cost you anything,

the next one you turned over, they got the points out of that. So you gave up points. You gave up you allowed them to have an extra possession that they didn you gave up points. You gave up you allowed them to have an extra possession that they didn't

deserve. Yeah. Damn, man. Well, deserved. They earned it because they took the ball away. Yeah, it's frustrating. I can just imagine the disappointment in that locker room because the Ravens, because think about Ocho, they blew him out. They didn't just beat him by, they didn't beat him by a touchdown or a field goal when they, Ocho. They blew them out. They didn't just beat them by,

they didn't beat them by a touchdown or a field goal when they came to Baltimore. They blew them out. The game wasn't close. At all. But when you're in the playoffs, you gotta take care of the football.

Look at it. The Rams, if the Rams don't have all them turnovers, the Rams probably beat the Eagles, Ocho. We saw last night. What happened last night? What did Detroit do? Turn the ball over. Turn the ball over.

Ridiculous. People keep talking about Kansas City. Yeah, but Kansas City hadn't turned the ball over in eight games. Eight. You win a lot of games if you don't give the ball away. Listen, I don't need to beat you. I'm going to make you beat your damn self

by turning the ball over. That's what I'm going to do. I don't got to do anything, Ocho. I'm just going to sit back here and watch you fumble it and turn interceptions. I'm just going to sit back here and do my thing.

Man, all I know is that I'm moving on you ain't gotta say because you know until we grow it up they beat us we beat ourselves okay well you weren't playing yourself you know yourself advancing right we moving on and i just know i just i just know i know the feeling in that locker room because i've been there um the ravens believe they're the better team um they believe they should have beaten this team today, and they let it slip away. Yeah. They let it slip away. And this was supposed to be the year of their redemption

because of what happened last year in the AFC Championship game, Mocho. And I mean, damn it, if they didn't let another one slip away. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. Time is ticking. Because these other teams are going to get better too. Yeah. You know the funny thing? Even with the other teams getting better, tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick even with other gives you that hope. It always gives you that chance in the back of your mind, even as a Ravens fan. You know, for those that are in the chat that are watching. You're always going to be in contention.

Because not only are other teams getting better, you know, your owner, your GMs, your coaches have one job as well. Continue to put pieces around the mar to make sure that you have a chance to get back to this point. To get back to an AFC championship. At one point, to be able to you have a chance to get back to this point, to get back to an AFC championship.

At one point, to be able to play in a Super Bowl and improve your team. Can I ask you a question? Talk to me. How many times do you take the pretty girl out and you don't get nothing before you stop? Three. Okay. Because that's what, I mean, that's the pretty girl. Lamar Jackson is that. Okay. Because that's what, I mean, that's the pretty girl. Yeah.

Lamar Jackson is that, I mean, three-time league MVP, an all pro. I mean, think about it. Lamar Jackson is the first quarterback to be a three-time first team, a three-time all pro quarterback in his first seven.

He's the first. Think about all the quarterbacks. Peyton, Tom, Aaron Rogers, John Elway, Dan Marino, name a quarterback. None has done what Lamar Jackson has done. He's a three-time first-team All-Pro quarterback in his first seven years. That's crazy when you think about it.

That's just how dynamic and special young boys are. Montana, Young, Brett Favre, name a quarterback. All your great quarterbacks, the one that's with Tom Brady. Tom Brady's only been a three-time first team quarterback

three times in 23 seasons. 22 seasons. How long he's played. He's a three-time. Lamar Jackson has done that three times in his first seven years.

About to be a three-time he's about to have more MVPs in his first seven years than any quarterback. But at the end of the day, Ocho, you know it counts more in the playoffs than the regular season. That's what they judge the quarterbacks off anyway.

That's it. Really, no other player gets judged off the playoffs like the regular season. That's what they judge the quarterbacks off anyway. That's it. No other player, really no other player gets judged off the playoffs like the quarterback does. Because that's how he makes his money. That's how he makes his name.

If you want to be, look, you can be great, but if you want to be iconic, the playoffs are where it's at. Kobe, Bird, Magic, Jordan, Braun, iconic. Shaq, Montana, Rice, Mahomes, Brady, iconic. It puts you into another stratosphere.

It puts you into another conversation. The conversation separates you from everybody else. Oh, there have been a lot of NFL players in the NFL. There have been a lot of NFL quarterbacks in the NFL. But you become iconic. I think it's over Ocho. Players, coaches, general managers, front office, over 25,000. Damn.

25,000. 25,000. Damn. 25,000. 25,000. Yeah. Now, you talk about the Hall of Fame that I think is less than 400. But when you talk about historic and iconic players, Lamar Jackson has an opportunity that when you talk about the NFL, you cannot mention anything about the NFL or quarterbacks without saying L. Jack's name.

Yeah. That's what he has an opportunity to do. You know, you know, it's funny. And even now, even at this point with no Superbowl, with no Superbowl,

you can't talk about the story of the quarterbacks throughout the entirety of the NFL without mentioning his name now. So imagine what happens when he gets over the hump. Cause you can't tell the story. You can't tell the story of quarterbacks based on what he's done once he wins his MVP without mentioning his name. But what now you want to sue Bo when the Bradys and the Montanas

and the Mahomes having a discussion? Let me roll my A. What y'all guys talking about? I'm at the table, Ocho. Well, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm at the table. Mmcho. I'm at the table. Yeah.

Damn, man. Yes. He's special. All it takes is one. And I've said this. I believe if he can get one, and I hate using the caveat if, but if he can just get one, I believe the floodgates are open.

Yeah. I believe the floodgates are open. Yeah. I believe the floodgates. So I believe the floodgates for Lamar Jackson will open and boy, it's hard. I mean, you think about it. Marino was 23 and went to the Superbowl, won the MVP and never been back.

It took, I mean, John went, John went, I think John came in, what, 21? 83, 84, 85, 86. He went to the Super Bowl in 86, went in 87, went back in 89, and win it.

John won the Super Bowl in year 15 and year 16. Kelly never won. Moon never won. I mean, think about it they were killing Steve Young Young Steve Young

was winning MVPs just like Lamar yeah it wasn't until he won that Super Bowl he got that bear off his back once you get that monkey off your

hey look you ever ran the 400 of course you know what it's like when you come when you coming off that that curve on that that that that that

curve on that 300 yeah you monkey that monkey jump on your back coming down that street right away yep all right and that's and that's what it takes all lamar that's what that's steve young he had to get that he had to get that one right get that one that's it but Buffalo do what it needed to get did what it needed to do and they win 25 27-25

Mark Andrews has an opportunity to tie the game up potentially sit into overtime but there was going to be a minute and 30 something seconds on the clock

so Buffalo could have gone down and got a field goal or touchdown we'll never know yeah but true don't forget congratulations on any any Bills fans in the chats we'll congratulate yeah they got great fans Ocho they got unbelievable fans they're gonna get a new stadium um state of the art couldn't happen to uh I don't know if you've ever have you ever played in Buffalo

yeah of course I played against Eric Moles, Peelis Price. I played in, I played in Buffalo a few times. Oh, they got, look, they ain't got no basketball team. No.

They got the Sabres. Buffalo Sabres. Hockey. But man, those fans, they, man, those fans bleed bills.

Bills, yeah. Look, I've been a lot of places. I played denver great fan everybody know the broncos uh uh kansas city oh my god arrowhead those fans dressed in all red they're out there cooking out uh the game starts at at what one uh well actually started noon because they're on central time they're out there there early. Cleveland. Yeah. They ain't even come close to getting to the Super Bowl since the 80s. Yeah. And those fans. But Buffalo. It's different.

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The majority of the yardage came on two carries. He had a 78-yarder. He had a 78 yarder. He had a 62 yarder. Jalen Hurts suffered his knee injury in the second half, but was able to finish the game. Ocho, you and I talked last night. I'm not going to let Saquon beat me.

If Jalen Hurts throws for an efficient 250 yards, three touchdowns, I walk to the middle of the field, hey, good luck next week. Whoever y'all play against the Commanders, man, you're a hell of a player. That's what I do. I'm not going to let Saquon beat me. And I'll be damned if they didn't let Saquon beat him.

You have to remember, right? We got Lane Johnson. We got Lane across the board. They average as far as weight goes, but the Rams' offensive line is undersized. They're undersized. They tried. They had some moments where they were able to contain Saquon,

but at some point, when you keep chopping that wood, at some point, it's going to break. at some point, it's going to break. At some point, it's going to crack. And that's exactly what happened due to them being so undersized up front. Even if you stack a nine in the box, you know,

once they come off the ball, they bullying them boys up front. They definitely did that. They bullying them boys up front. So, and it takes so much pressure off Jaden. It takes so that. They bullied them boys up front. So, and it takes so much pressure off Jaden. It takes so much pressure

off Jaden Hurst too. It takes so much pressure off him because he don't have to do much because Saquon is carrying the load. Same situation over there in Baltimore.

Put the ball in your bell cow's hands and let them take the game over for you. But, but Philly never got away from that. Yeah,

they didn't. That's the problem, Ocho. Baltimore got away from it for a quarter. Why? And you look at some plays, they had Saquon got stopped. But

you let him get that hole and he stepped to the side. Peace to Bob. You know what's so funny? He take them small steps when he running, and it's faster than every damn body, and never get close to the line. The thing is, he's ball. The thing is, he's quick. The thing is,

he has great balance. If you look at the crossover, his step, like, they give him the ball and he steps outside and when he sees a crease, he gone.

He hit it. He hit it. He hit another gear. He stepped on it, man. The first one that he stepped on it, gone. The 78 yard of Ocho,

he's like, out of there. And that was just a, Ocho, that wasn't on it. Gone. The 78 yarder, Ocho, he's like, out of there. And that was just a, Ocho, that wasn't a toss, that was just a handoff. Handoff, yeah. And then he crosses over. Boom. And he exploded. A pair of fumbles on back-to-back

drives set the Rams back significantly. The Matthew Stafford had L.A. in the red zone. I thought L.A. was going to do it because Puka Nakua made a heck of a catch over Slay, over Darius Slay, with a chance, and then on fourth down. But, Ocho, I'm looking at there was some miscommunication with the center and the right guard because on back-to-back plays, you turn Jalen Carter. I don't know why. I'm not going away from him.

Yeah. I'm not going away from him. I'm not going away from him. The center looked right, and the guard slid to the right, and then he went to the left and then tried to come back, and by the time he came back, he was sacking Stafford.

I'm like, bro, why would you do that? Listen, hey, y'all handle that over there. I got to worry about this one. This is the one I got to worry. He's the one. And he did it again on fourth down. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out, like, bro, I'm not, listen,

on a defense, Ocho, if you got Reggie White, if you got Bruce, you got LT, I respect everybody on the offensive line, defensive line, because you're in the league. But I'm not, not hey it's like it's like AD why would you why would you slide

why would you double someone else other than Aaron Donald why would you double someone else other than J.J. Watt why that's Jalen Carter yeah he's the most

he's the most disrupted right now and I said this if he ever got in shape because because I saw him in college. Not his last year. Last year he was bulljiving. But when he hungry and motivated, and I think he's motivated now

because he's an all-pro, he's a Pro Bowl player. Ocho. If in the next three years he's not a defensive player of the year, I ain't talking about a candidate. I'm not a defensive player of the year, I ain't talking about a candidate. I'm going to say defensive player of the year. What they call his name, defensive player of the year, is Jalen Carter. He shouldn't be disappointed. That's the kind of ability this young man has.

He's explosive. He can play the run. He's disruptive. He can pressure your quarterback. He punched the ball out because he did a great – hey, one hand and punched the ball out of Kyron Williams' hand. Yeah, man, he has all the tools. Now, he should be thinking, man, I'm thinking Hall of Fame.

I'm thinking, hey, they need to start getting me ready for the size 52, a 54 jacket. He has that kind of ability. Does he know it, though? Now, if he can channel all that and understand how great he is or how good he is now, it's all about him understanding what you can see. Watch it from home. We can see the greatness in him. Oh, he's special.

He got to understand it and funnel all that energy into his craft. He's so quick. He can be one of the best to ever do it. He showed up so quick off the ball, Locho, for a man his size. Man his size ain't supposed to be that kind of explosive. His first step is not supposed to be that fast. And he's powerful. I don't know if he's weight room strong, Locho.

I don't know if he can bench 500 pounds and squat all that. But I'm talking about football strength. To take a man, I said, that's the way you could tell somebody, can you move a man against his will? Against his will, yeah. I knew you were going to say that. Can you move him against his will? When he said, man, I ain't going nowhere.

The hell you say? I'm going to get off this plot of land. When I think about it, I got three defensive tackles, right? Yeah. Three defensive tackles that were not only

weight room strong, but on the field it showed up as well. And then their first step, quick as hell. Now, watching Jalen Carter, he's one that's been able to do it.

Aaron Donald, weight room strong. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, a technical savage with a quick step. I got two more for you, though. Who do you got? Remember Big Sam Adams? Oh, yeah. I played

with him. Man, Big Sam had one of the quickest first steps, man, to be that size, but also way room strong. And the one that made the cake first steps, man, to be that size, but also weight room strong. And the one that made the cake, the only man I've ever seen put 45s on the bench bar to where it's

no room left and you can't put them on there with the quickest first step as well, that goddamn Vince Walford, man. What? And then he up under the bench talking, holding the conversation and with all the plates, the bar

bending. Wow. He ain't even straight no more. He got all the 45s on there. I don't even know how much it was. People in the chat, if you know, if you lift weights, you can tell me, please tell me how much you have all the 45s on the bench bar where you can't put no more in there.

He holding the conversation with me. We in the weight room. He talking to me and slow. I'm not talking about bringing it down and coming back up right away. I'm talking about slow. What the hell you mean? What? Man, I love, hey, watching him, you know, obviously watching Jalen Carter.

Like I said, I was disappointed in him because I thought he bulljabbed his last year. He knew he was going to be a top pick. The Eagles got a bargain. The Eagles should have never been able to get him at 10. But he had some issues. He had some red flags. Got a couple of, you know, some trouble with the law

and speeding and the situation. He got himself into some trouble. But he's supposed to have been the number one overall pick. That's how good he is. That's how good he is. That's the kind of ability that he has and I think now he's starting to learn it. Hopefully Fletcher Cox who was

there and retired hopefully he got an opportunity to talk to him and say, son, you can be look, you got Reggie White's potential. Everybody know what Reggie, the Minnesota defense, everybody know what Reggie was. Reggie brought it. Every game, every play, whether he

was in Philly, he was in Green Bay, he retired, came back for his last year, played one year in Carolina. People don't realize that Reggie played a year in Carolina because at that point in that Reggie played a year in Carolina. Because he, you know, he had at that point in time, I think he had retired. Him and his wife, Sarah,

had got a place on Lake Norman. Man. Jalen Carter, this Eagles team is going to be, hey. Everybody thought they was going to be going to Detroit. It's like, no, we got the NFC Championship game on our field. And we got a team. It's going to be a great game. It's going to be a great game because both games were close. Both games were close, Ocho.

They won by eight on their field. And then Washington ended up winning in that last sudden death. Wasn't overtime, but they ended up winning on the last second when he threw that touchdown pass for like four or five seconds. And the thing with Washington is because of their quarterback, Ocho, they believe they got a chance. Because look how many games that they've won

on the last possession, the last throw of the game. So, we don't believe we're out of any game as long as we got that guy. Yeah. It's going to be a good one. I wonder what the weather,

I wonder what the weather's going to be like. But, you know, in D.C. Bad. D.C. Cole, yeah. D.C. and Justice Cole. Bad. Really? it's going to be a good one. I wonder what the weather is going to be like. Bad. DC and just as cold. Bad. Just as cold. You'll probably get, I mean, the start of the game,

look at the field high, look like, ooh, it's just going to be cold. And next thing you know, snow. Yeah. So it's probably going to be

that next week. Same thing, Hocho. Eagles fans showed up outside the Rams team hotel today and started trash-talking the players this morning. This comes after L.A.'s Jared Burr said last week that he hates Philly and all their fans. Jalen Carter approached Burr's pregame,

offering to put the championship game bonus on the line. Burr's declined. Yeah. Listen, Burr's might have talked his trash, but boy, he showed up today. Well, he's going to be defensive rookie of the year. He showed up today. Burst showed up today.

Listen, as a team, the team didn't win. But when you talk trash like that before a game, he backed it all up. Oh, yeah. He backed it all up with his play. He was all over the place. He was Jalen Hurst's hell. I like Jalen Carter.

Jalen Carter said, hey, you call this a bonus? Put your money up. He wasn't going to do that. Oh, I was just playing. Nah, man. I was just playing on your bed. You know how I be. Yeah. yeah hey you know as a rookie you ain't putting that money on the line i mean what did it get 77 grand for winning winning today yeah everybody you know when you get to the playoffs everybody's checking oh yeah y'all i don't like i don't like that i'm taking

a pay cut because i know my check i know my check look like in the regular season yeah y'all i don't like i don't like that i'm taking a play cut because i know my check i know my check looks like it's a regular season and y'all give me what it was first of all it wasn't near this when i played so you can just imagine when i went to that i was i retired 20 years ago so you could know the checks wasn't nowhere near this uh so i definitely wouldn't have been i wouldn't have bet oh i would have been like uh uh green bay because they were talking that ish. I definitely would have bet all them bums. Right. I definitely would have bet all them for sure.

Man, it's going to be a great game. It's going to be. I don't know. Who had this? Who had Washington and Philly on your bingo card in the NFC Championship? I think a lot of teams had... They might have had Philly. They might have had Philly in it. Exactly. But not Washington.

No. Everybody either had Kansas City. You had some combination. Kansas City, Buffalo. Kansas City, Baltimore. Baltimore, Buffalo. That was the combination that you had in the AFC. So I don't think anybody's surprised that we see Buffalo and Kansas City.

I think there's a lot of people in shock. Other than people like Earthquake. Quaker's a big Washington fan. You know, there are a lot of people that are Commander fans that grew that, like, man, man, I'm tired of this losing. I think somebody asked me today, man, we got a chance. I'm like, yeah, you got a chance. It's a football game. But I wasn't going to put no money on Washington, not against Detroit.

I said the same. I said the same thing. When they asked me, I said, listen, Jaden, I say Jaden Daniels has had a phenomenal season, but with the Detroit Lions have been able to do all season, outside of losing two games, and having some games where Jerry Goff turned the ball over, they were still able to come out with a win and be victorious. I don't see them beating Detroit.

I don't either. And that was based off my eyes and what I saw? Correct. Even though Jaden Davis was playing phenomenal football. And boy, did he prove me wrong. Well, hell, when you turn the ball over four or five times, what do you expect? And you gave him a touchdown.

You let him score points on your possession. Pick six, yeah. You're right. Then you took points off the board because you were late with Williams on the post route and you allowed...

Undercut it. Yes! And then they run a pass. They let Jamison... Why would y'all throw... He throwing the ball, Ocho, coming or not, he gonna throw it. Hold on now. You know better now.

Listen, I can attest. When we run it in practice, they let you know. If it's one-on-one, you give your player... Either tuck the ball and run or throw it up out of bounds. We live to see another down.

And so, we told him, if he's not wide open, don't you throw that ball. I'm saying wide open. Open, yeah. Clear. If he's not wide open, don't you throw it.

Tuck it and run. Or let somebody get a souvenir. Right. Oh, Lord. But you can't turn... Goff had, what, four turnovers? I think they had five total. Who you beating?

Nobody. You ain't beating... No, no, right. You ain't beating, listen, you ain't beating the sisters of the North. If they had a, a damn flag team. No,

no, no, no, but it's going to be a great game. I think it's going to be, hopefully it's a great game. Jane Daniels had a phenomenal season. I mean,

I can't even imagine to see a rookie in the Superbowl. Hold on. Not, not in the Superbowl. Mind you, you can't even imagine to see a rookie in the Super Bowl. Hold on. Not in the Super Bowl. Mind you, you're playing in New Orleans. You know what New Orleans is, right? Oh, yeah. It's what? An hour from Baton Rouge? Not only is it an hour, you just came from LSU. Think about

the story in the know. From LSU, back in New Orleans, you're in a dome, so we already know how he plays when the weather's clear. If, I'm just hypothetically speaking. Yeah, we'd be happy if he were to make it. My goodness. It's crazy how good this young man is.

Yeah. And everybody's talking about the Bears should have traded. No. If he's in the Bears, he's not doing what he's doing because guess what Cliff Kingsbury isn't there yeah yeah Cliff Kingsbury isn't there y'all think he's doing this without Kingsbury

Kingsbury has a relationship if you go back and look at it Murray wasn't rookie of the year his ability to resonate with quarterbacks he was calling plays for Johnny Manziel when Johnny wasn't a Heisman.

Go back and look at his work with quarterbacks. As a matter of fact, I think he was the head coach of Mahomes. Was he the head coach of Mahomes when Mahomes had Texas Tech? I'm almost certain. When Mahomes threw for almost 800 yards or so

in a game so guys that is easy to say he should be or the bear should have trade y'all actually think jay daniel was going to do that without kingsbury come on now it's easy to say that yeah trade but you got to trade all the other intangibles that go along with it right is dan quinn gonna be there is cliff kingsbury gonna be there y'all believe he doing that whatever he reflux and that offensive coordinator absolutely not There's no creativity. The volume. The Made for This Mountain podcast exists to empower listeners to rise above their inner struggles and face the mountain in front of them. So during Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast, focus on your emotional well-being, and then climb that mountain.

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