Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Rodgers pleads with Jets, KC sets deadline for Kelce, PIT inquires about T-Law

Episode Date: February 19, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top NFL stories of the week. Topics include Aaron Rodgers allegedly plead to stay with the New York Jets, the Kansas City Chiefs give TE Travis Kelce and deadline to decided on his retirement, the Pittsburgh Steelers reportedly inquired about Jacksonville Jaguars QB Trevor Lawrence and much more!04:00 - Aaron Rodgers wanted to stay with the Jets19:30 - Travis Hunter will attend the combine as a corner25:13 - Eagles’ Milton Williams wants a raise28:28 - Chiefs set a deadline for Travis Kelce33:00 - Steelers inquired about trading for Trevor Lawrence42:00 - Rams want No. 3 pick from Giants for Matt Stafford45:16 - Is Tee Higgins gonna go?51:00 - Michael Irvin thinks Cowboys need all the help(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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conversation with the team. Rodgers aggressively urged the Jets to keep him, but once the decision was made to part ways, Rodgers accepted it. Yeah, I mean, I'm, ugh, that's tough. That's tough. I think Aaron Rodgers can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Obviously, you got to a point where you've always been great and the team has actually needed you. You're always in a position of power, you know, where you always had the leverage. And now being on the other side of things, the other side of the fence, now seeing, okay, you know what? Well, we don't need you. Things are different now.

As great as he once was. What am I saying, Ocho? What do I say? What they'll do? They'll tolerate you until they get... Now, I want you to tell me one thing. One thing Aaron Rodgers did in his two years there

that could justify the Jets keeping for another year. Not a damn thing. So, not showing up to mendicant. Think about it. Also, they said that if you were to come back, you'd have to be there. Everything.

So that told him, number one, you're not invested. Okay. How does going on Pat McAfee every single week? And I love P man. And Hey, great platform.

But for the Jets, how does that help Bill? It doesn't at all and it definitely doesn't help because of the fact that you weren't winning. Not only were you losing and getting your butt kicked every goddamn week, you're still going on the show and then you're creating controversy with some of the things that you're saying

on that McAfee show. Yes. You can't have it both ways. Now all of a sudden he want to be about a team when he's never been about the team and he won't be if they were to bring him back you don't you don't change overnight a leopard a leopard spots never change young a zebra stripes never change young they never change they just go about doing things differently until they get you where they want you

then they go right back to the normal program always it's always been that way yeah but a lot of this had to do with I fought the Jets

because when y'all got y'all butt on that plane and and and flew out there yes and when y'all

I won't ram the car. I won't Alan Lazard. I won't Nathaniel Hackett. What the hell do you think he thinks? He thinks he's the king of the palace. Yes, but also, not only does he think he's the king of the palace,

but he understands he needs those that's already been around him, that he understands, that he trusts, that he knows he can. How'd that work out for him? It didn't work out the way he wanted. Tell me, tell me, tell he understands, that he trusts, that he knows he can. How'd it work out for him? It didn't work out the way he wanted.

Tell me, tell me, tell me the numbers. So you paying guys, you gave Al Nassar three years, $33 million. Now, congratulations. Now, hey,

the one thing you can say about him, now, hey, if he likes you, he likes you. If he don't, he don't. Yeah. You right.

Now, but I'm just saying, when you say, when you try to ingratiate yourself to a team, if I'm just saying, when you say, when you try to ingratiate yourself to a team, if that's what you truly want to do, you become, you adopt the team aspect, the team concept.

You need me to be here for many camps. You need me to be here for OTAs. I'm here. I'm just trying to figure out why was he so big that Peyton Manning never missed those. Tom Brady didn't miss that. Tom Brady, when he went to Tampa, where was he? This man was breaking protocol

throwing the ball, can congregate with his receivers in the park. And the high school field. You see the difference? You see the difference when guys are bought in? See, a lot of guys talk about T. But you see, if I were to remove that see if I were to remove that

if I were to remove that A and that T what is it Ocho? Me? Oh man that's funny That's the thing it's hard for me to see and I'm only outside I'm looking for the peripheral. But all I know is what's being reported. I don't think he's done anything to ingratiate himself to the team that says I'm a team guy.

And I want to be a part of this team. Yeah, we all know that. Now, Ray Charles can see that. You haven't done nothing. You haven't done nothing to come back. You know good and well. Pleading. Like, listen, if you had something to fall back on, when you do the, when you do the plea, then you have a case.

I mean, you ain't got nothing to fall back on. How, what is like, oh, you, and then you come up with this cockamamie. Well, you know, mandatory means different things, different people. Stop playing. You know what? Hold on a second. I'm going to look up the definition of mandatory because I thought mandatory was what it was.

Man, why you looking at that, man? Shout out to the homie. We got a new subscriber. A good friend of mine. Cam down there in Boston watching, man. I salute you. Appreciate it. Appreciate the support. Homie.

Mandatory. Required by law wearing helmets were made mandatory for cyclists which means you're required to do it

mandatory attendance is required which means Ocho you're required to be there so I don't know who what mandatory

maybe it means different things to different people who somebody that doesn't know the definition of mandatory it might mean something.

But if you understand, and Aaron Rodgers is highly intelligent. If you just listen to it, he'll tell you. He's highly intelligent. So the team, like, maybe we made a mistake. We're here. And remember, Ocho, I kept telling you. I said, Ocho, he and Gary Wilson on that sideline in training camp. Oh, it's just training camp. Let me tell you. I said, Ocho, he and Garrett Wilson on that sideline in training camp. Oh, it's just training camp.

Let me tell you why I said that. Because, listen, me and Carson were just like that, too, in training camp. That's all. Me and Carson were like that in training camp. Let me ask you a question. How many years did you play with Carson? During the season. How many years did you play with Carson?

Ten. Okay. How many years had him play with Carson? 10. Okay. How many years had him and Garrett Wilson played together? Okay, you right. You right. Yeah, it was early, but that's that fire though, huh? All I know is Garrett Wilson. How Garrett

Wilson win offensive rookie of the year of the entire league with Zach Wilson. Yeah. Zach Wilson was a better quarterback. FYI. And I said, I told you that.

He a better quarterback than who? Huh? Better quarterback than who? Oh, okay. Yeah. I'm not talking about the old Aaron Rodgers. I'm talking about the new Aaron Rodgers. Now, that's a whole nother story.

No. The old Aaron Rodgers or just an old Aaron Rodgers. I'm talking about the new Aaron Rodgers. Now, that's a whole other story. No, the old Aaron Rodgers or just an old Aaron Rodgers? I mean, look here. Robert Sala got fired? I mean, Ocho, I wish we could pull this up. If I knew we were talking about this, because I didn't really

doubt them they were going to talk about it. But I say pretty soon, they're going to run out of people to fire. They're going to run out of people to demote. Now, Ronald Sala got fired. Nathaniel Hackett

got demoted. Yeah. One, two. Who the next person? The production. Oh shit look at this bro stop it how many games

they won six how many six and twelve how many games they won six right they won six can I ask you a question

yes how many games they won with Zach Wilson ask Ash I think they won what what were they seven and ten or eight and nine with Zach Wilson? Ask Ash. I think it was, what? What were they, 7-10 or 8-9 with Zach Wilson? 7-10.

Okay. So who was the better quarterback again for the Jets? Mm-hmm. Okay. The numbers don't lie. I said, look, if you're a defensive-based football team and you believe you bring in one guy and he's going to change your fortunes, your defense better not drop off. They dropped off tremendously.

But here's the thing. They were saying, if the defense drops off, what's he supposed to do? Overcome them. Pick up. But he wasn't there. Pick up where they dropped off at.

There you go. There you go. There you go. And that didn't happen. I just, I look, I don't think he did him any favors in that building with his attitude, the miss many camps and to blow it off and pretend like it was nothing.

The continuous going on the PMAX show, I don't think that helped. I don't think that helped their situation at all. But at the end of the day, he made a decision that he felt that was in the best interest of him. And that's what he did. And so the Jets have no choice but to do what's in the best interest of them. And they didn't feel bringing him back was going to change anything. Because sometimes, Ocho, it't the best interest of them. And they didn't feel bringing him back was going to change anything. Because sometimes, Ocho, it's more than just on

field. Sometimes the locker room, look at, everybody talks about Jalen Hurts and what he is in the locker room. Everybody, look at when they talk about these quarterbacks, how they talk about Hurts, how they talk about, and look, let's just go take Manning and

take Brady, put them to the side. Look at how they talk about some of these other quarterbacks. I hurt. I'm going to put my homes to the side. But I'm going to talk about some of those guys that when we think about a Pantheon that's going to be with a historically all-time great, look at how his teammates in the organization talk about him. All I know,

there are a lot of talk coming out of Green Bay that they didn't involve him when it came to picking a new coach. They didn't involve him, but it's been reported that the CEO picked up the phone and says,

don't you be the problem. We need a solution. problem. Your solution. It's just it's going to be very interesting to see where it goes because I think the thing is, look, we mentioned places. The Raiders need a quarterback. Potentially New Orleans need a places. The Raiders need a quarterback.

Potentially New Orleans need a quarterback. Potentially Cleveland needs a quarterback. I like that. Jerry Judy. Rodgers to Judy. Rodgers to Njoku. I like that. Yeah. So I'm trying to think. I'm trying to. What other place? Um, um,

so I'm trying to think, I'm trying to, where are the place? Tennessee seems that they might take, I don't think, I think Tennessee is going to potentially trade down. But if you trade down, Roger's going to be available.

Not going to cost you anything. You take Rogers, have Will Levis learn under him. That's a good move. That's a good move. Rogers to Calvin Ridley? I just don't get it. First of all, I don't know what the Tennessee is doing.

What do you mean? First of all, they traded A.J. Right. Because they drafted Traylon Burns. The dude has one touchdown in two years. Three years, maybe. Okay. Now, you release Derrick Henry.

And I think Tony Pollard had an unbelievable season. But you trying to tell me you think Pollard was a better running back than Derrick Henry? We're not doing that, Ojo. We're not going to do that. So I don't, you know, and after what? After one season, two season, they fired their general manager, ran a car-a-thon, and they got somebody.

So I don't really kind of know what they're doing. Could I see them trading that pick, potentially? But I think Aaron Rodgers fits there. He fits in Vegas, Cleveland. I'm trying to think where else. The Giants? The Giants are potentially looking at, remember, we talked about it the other day the other day, Matthew Stafford.

Going from Jersey to New York. If you can get Aaron Rodgers for free, just pick him up. You do that, keep your pick. You keep that third pick in the draft.

What are you thinking? That's tough. That's tough. That's tough. I just think it's going to be an issue wherever he goes, huh? I think it's going to be an issue wherever he goes. Look at what he had with the Jets, and he only won six games. I'm just speaking from an offensive standpoint. Pittsburgh?

Is Pittsburgh in play? I don't like the Pittsburgh look. Okay. I don't like the Pittsburgh look. Okay. I don't like the Pittsburgh look. I just, nah. Listen, Tomlin ain't playing that. Tomlin is not playing that. I'm just saying, don't you?

I mean, I'm just trying to throw out some places that could potentially use a quarterback and I don't have to give up draft capital to get you I mean you said the best two the best two

was Cleveland and the Raiders who needs you don't like the Giants who needs them most I mean you know what I like that

I like the Giants like I said last week when we were on the show. Goddamn Aaron Rodgers to Malik Nabors. Malik Nabors had a great year. You get a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers in there. You never know. Then you think about the Aaron Rodgers you're getting. You're getting maybe a humble Aaron Rodgers.

Aaron Rodgers is understanding my leash is very short now. I can't get away with some of the things I used to be able to get away with because I don't have that leverage anymore. So I don't have a choice but to walk on eggshells because I'm already walking on a thin line on thin ice. You never know. I hope so. I mean, look, I think the thing is, I like to see guys play as long as they want to play,

especially if they can contribute. I don't know if we're ever going to see the MVP Aaron Rodgers again. Do I think he can help a team? Right. But what's your goals? You have to have a real strong... I mean, you know, a lot of times, those guys used to be guys to elevate.

As they start to get aged, now you need to elevate them. You see where Peyton Manning went? He went to the Broncos. Demarius Thomas, rest his soul. Eric Decker, Julius Thomas, no Sean Romino. No Sean Romino. Outstanding defense. Darius Thomas, rest his soul. Eric Decker, Julius Thomas, Noshan Marino, outstanding defense.

Offensive line was solidified. They had Clady, they had Vasquez. Nice offensive line. Okay, Tom, what did Tom do? Edelman and those guys started to get beat up. He goes to Tampa. What Tampa got, Ocho? Mike Evans, Chris Godwin.

Yeah, you see? And they get grump to come out of retirement. You see? Defense. Hungry. Carl Bowles doing it. So now,

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and I've said it all the time, especially during the season. I would love to see Travis Hunter on the offensive side of the ball and then play a few packages on defense. It's easier the other way. Because, yeah, I know I'm just saying from a financial standpoint, when it's time to get paid, who makes more money, huh? The receivers or the TV's. For sure.

Okay, that's our only reason, but listen, I like that he's going in as a DB. It's going to be nice. I'm excited to see him, especially in the drills, to see his transition, how smooth he is, him getting in and out of breaks,

ball skills, stuff like that. I think he's going to do very, very, very well. And I'm saying when it's time to run the 40, I wouldn't be surprised if you run full two. I don't see him as that fast. I think high four threes, low four fours. Listen, don't be surprised. Don't be surprised.

He's too long of a strider to run like that, I think, Coach O. You think he got that kind of speed in him? You think he got those kind of wheels? Yeah. When you specifically train for the conference line, and you do speed training, I'm telling you that, don't be surprised if he clocked 4-2.

Wow. High 4-2, 4-2-8, 4-2-9. I think he's going to eclipse it. Yeah. I'm telling you. But talking to everybody. Yes, sir. There's like, play him at corner and have some package.

Yes, sir. What we were saying. Everybody was jumping on us. Why he can't play every snap on offense and defense? Because he can't. Impossible. Because he can't. And y'all just want to argue the fact with people that have played the game,

that have studied the game. I ain't talking about no, we're not no casuals. We know what it takes to play at an elite level. Deion, y'all should, oh, he better, what? Y'all do realize that Deion played baseball. Do you know how hard it is to hit a baseball? And I ain't talking about no,

Deion wasn't just no guy. Go back into his N1 series, check his batting average. Yeah. He didn't play every single snap of offense and defense. You're talking about one of the greatest athletes to have ever played. He played two sports professionally. We see a lot of guys play two sports college, collegiately. We've seen a lot of guys play a bunch of sports in high school.

But how many guys you see play two sports professionally and be great? I've only seen two, him and Bo. Now, Brian Jordan played baseball and football, but he gave up football to play baseball. Great decision. Cut it away. They make way more money. And the money guaranteed.

But y'all argue me up and down. Oh, you a hater. You a hater. What? No hate. I'm just giving you factual information. I think he's better suited at the cornerback, and then they put packages in because of his athleticism for him at receiver.

But y'all just, a lot of times, I just come to realize, Ocho, sometimes people just want to argue the argument. Yeah, I mean, that's the joy. That's the joy of this platform in general. Listen, difference in opinion. You state your piece, they state their piece, and we can agree to disagree. Yeah.

I mean, as great as Michael Jordan was, and he was historically transcendent, he was mythical in basketball. That baseball wasn't his thing. He loved it, though. He gave it a shot. No, no, no. Time could really play.

Bo Jackson went to the All-Star game. Bo Jackson won an MVP in the All-Star game. Bo could really play. Time could really play. And that's all we were saying. Based on the knowledge-Star game. Bo could really play. Ty could really play. And that's all we were saying based on the knowledge of the game. He's not going to be able

to play 100 snaps in the NFL. He can't. Yeah. Hold on, I got a question. I just thought about something. You know, the chat let you slide with it.

I'm not going to let you slide with it. Are you saying Michael Jordan wasn't good? He wasn't. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Eagles, Milton Williams, who had an outstanding game.

I think he had two sacks in that game, didn't he? He had two sacks in the Super Bowl. Yeah, and he built with ball and boy, that's 93, right? Yes. Yeah, he's 93.

He's peeking at his locker, says he wants to return, but obviously, I want a raise. Oh, he gonna to get that. Listen, if it's not with the Eagles, they know what they're doing, right? They know what they're doing. But what he did do

based on his performance in that goddamn game against the Chiefs, he didn't got to sell. Oh, he did that through the regular season. You look at him against the Rams, you look at him and you're like, oh Rams Oh he gonna make some money Oh yeah Listen that wasn't no

One trick pony He was doing that all year long Just the fact that he was able to show up in the biggest game Of the year Makes it even that much more better It makes it that more appealing and appeasing To other teams You know I know he would like the return

But I'm just saying. Don't get that paper now, bro. You got your ring now? You got your ring now. You can't sleep on him. You can't see him. Now, if you get hard up, I mean, you could possibly sell him.

I just read the story today. Unfortunately, LeGarrette Blount is selling his game-worn jersey, his Super Bowl ring. I don't know what, why, but maybe, hey, maybe they're not as important to him anymore. Maybe he feels somebody else will get better use

or service out of it than he does. But at this point in time, what Milton Williams has done, he's earned a pay raise, and I don't believe he's going to be able to get it. Because you got to sign a broad, you met a linebacker. Yeah. Josh Sweat is up. You know what's funny?

Who does it? How do, that's why I don't want to be a GM. How do you decide what's important? How do you decide who to keep when everybody plays so well? Especially in that Pacific game. Williams played well.

Sweat played well. I forgot Young Bull name on the side. He's a little undersized. Nolan Smith Jr. He played well. You do realize you got Jalen Carter coming down the pipeline. He's going to need a big contract. That's two more years.

That's okay. Think about what it's going to take to sign him in two years. You see what Chris Jones is making? $32 million. Yeah. That was a year ago. What do you think this kid is going to make in two years? Woo!

Hell, he can't be more than 23. Exactly. Exactly. you got Mitchell you got DeJuan or you got Braun there's only so much money you can spend you know what's funny

and it's a good thing the Eagles are in a great situation they are in a phenomenal situation where nobody is really up to really break the bank like that so they're going to be together this whole core is going to be together the next two or three years. And they can, you know, they got a chance to have a dynasty team.

For sure. You know that, right? Oh, my goodness. Like I said, they got the offensive line. They got sold up. But, yeah, I agree with, hey, Will, hey, go get that money, boy. The Chiefs have reportedly set a deadline for Travis Kelsey to make a decision regarding his NFL 14.

If Kelsey chooses to retire, the Chiefs wants to know of his decision around March 14th, according to a team source. Based on that deadline, the Chiefs are going to give Kelsey a month to decide his future. Is this deadline normal? I don't know if it's normal, especially that soon, especially that soon after the Super Bowl, but I think they want to know what he's going to do rather sooner than later so they can look forward to what we're going to do next.

What's the next steps we need to take? I would have thought they would have given someone especially like Kelsey based on what he's done over an extended period of time they would have given him a little bit more grace as opposed to rushing him to make a decision Ocho, I'm running a football team

never lose sight of that first of all guess what happens in March free agency I need to know do I need to make a trade of that. First of all, guess what happens in March? Free agency. I didn't know. Do I need to make a trade? Hey, Atlanta, can I get Kyle Pitts from you? I've got to make a decision based on this football team.

I can't let this thing drag out. Remember, that's what Green Bay got tired of. Brett Favre dragging it out, dragging it out. They said, you know what we're going to do? Don't worry about it. You go ahead and do what you're going to do. We're going to take a quarterback. Same thing happened with Aaron Rodgers.

Dragging it out, dragging it out, dragging it out. They said, don't worry about it. Yeah. That's what they're doing here. Free agency, let me evaluate. Let me look at some of these tight ends. The guy from Penn State, there are a couple of them. What I've been reading, there are about five tight ends

that could go in the first two rounds. Let's see if we can get in position to get one of it. Yeah. In the first two rounds. Let's see if we can get in position to get one of them. Maybe Atlanta wants to get off Kyle Pitts because outside of his rookie year, he's underperformed. One year he was hurt.

Yet that his second he ended up tearing his knee. But now, the last couple of years, he hadn't been up to the cow piss that we thought he would be. Let's see if Atlanta has grown impatient in wanting to part ways. That's how you gotta run a team. Ocho, I can't wait till the empty tower.

I understand. I totally understand. So, I'm not surprised at this at all. I mean, to me, honestly, to me, it's a little soon. For someone regarded as one of the best to ever play the position. But I do understand the business side of it. Boy, they moved on from Tom Brady. They moved on from Peyton Manning.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Tom, okay. Hey, you done played this game too long, or you should have not known how it works. Where did Emerson Smith finish his career? Okay. The all-time lead in Russia. Tom Brady won six Super Bowls.

He finished in Tampa. Peyton Manning, four MVPs, two Super Bowl appearances, one Super Bowl MVP. He finished in Tampa Peyton Manning four MVPs two Super Bowl appearances one Super Bowl MVP he finished in Denver Jay Rice do not do I need to go do I need to move

anymore yeah Seattle yeah I'm just saying bro understand Joe Montana Joe Montana

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Because, hey, they're going to do what's in the best interest of them. If a team will move on from tom brady what other player what can a player do to assure if tom brady couldn't do enough to stay in new england that's crazy let that sink in tom brady they, they won 18 of 19 divisions. They went to nine Super Bowls. They won six. He's an MVP in four of them. He's a three-time league MVP. And they didn't give him the grace of retiring in that uniform. What other player has there ever been before or after? Now, you can retire early or they'll move on you before it gets too late.

Every time. I'm just saying. Oh, Joe, apparently the Steelers inquired about trading for Trevor Lawrence. Whew, pretty wild given that Justin Fields has been constantly posting photos of himself in a Steelers uniform on his Instagram throughout the week. Fields is hoping to be re-signed by the Steelers.

Ocho, Trevor Lawrence to the Steelers? You know what? I mean, so Trevor Lawrence and the Steelers, right? Where is Jacksonville picking in the draft again? They high up. Jacksonville got to be like top five, top six. They're picking five. Five, whoa, whoa.

That doesn't make no sense because the two top quarterbacks, they're going to be gone before five. I know that much. The two top quarterbacks, Shador and Cam Ward, are going to be gone before five unless they sneak up and grab one. But how about this here? I trade you five. I trade you my pick.

I swap positions with you. I give you my first-round pick. Guess what? Okay, we're going to trade you. I give you Jacksonville is going to pick five. Steelers want to come up to five. So I got to trade places. I get next year's one, next year's two, and the following year.

So I get 26-1, I'll get 26-2, and I'll get 27-3. And so Trevor Lawrence is in. And you think that's the answer? Lawrence to the Steelers end. And you think that's the answer? I think the Steelers believe that's the answer. I think for the Steelers, you have quarterback. They need quarterback play, Ocho.

They really do. So you don't believe in Justin Fields and what he was able to do when they started the season all four and two before Russell Wilson took over? I'm just asking your thoughts.

Well, Ocho, for them to inquire about Trevor Lawrence, what do they believe? Forget me and you. Me and you can juggle right here. You and I can have spitball and bounce stuff off the wall. What are the Steelers telling you if they're willing to inquire about somebody outside of their building? Okay. You're right. Ooh, that's tough.

And get out of my timeline. I'm done. I done dropped any points. I know, yeah, Vince Carter's from Florida. So is T-Mac. Where's Ant-Man from? Georgia. Where's Dwight Howard from?

Georgia. Kenny Walker? Georgia. Where's Dwight Howard from? Georgia. Kenny Walker? Georgia. So look, but normally those southern states, we normally produce basketball players. You start going north, you go to New York, California, they normally have basketball and football. But in the South, the weather, you know what we're known for, bro. We football. Florida, Georgia, South Carolina. We start going up the coast, don't you? Come on, bro. Louisiana, Texas. Yeah, you're going to have some.

You got baseball players come from all over, but y'all know what we do. I'm done. Y'all know what I did. Y'all see it. Y'all saw it. 52-0, Joe. You didn't know that? I know we saw it, but it ain't. There's some questions about it.

Are you calling the state of Georgia a lie? No, I'm not trying. I don't want to sound like I hate them. That's what it sounds like. Chad, does it sound like he hating y'all? No, I'm not trying to hate. I'm just saying so many people score so many points over an extended period of time from a Pacific state

lets me know that the people in that Pacific state suck at the game. Lisa Leslie had 101 points at the half of a basketball game in California. Go look at the state of California and see what their records are. Go look at the state of New and see what their records are. Go look at the state of New York and see what their scoring records are. All right.

I know it's hard for you to believe because your boy played football. You know what I'm saying? I put the basketball down. Well, listen, that's not a bad thing because, listen, I think, listen, to some or your belief belief you might be a better basketball player than football player but the same thing goes with me i'm a better soccer and tennis player than anywhere i play no tennis i'm a bit oh i'm a bit matter of fact i'm glad you just said that i'm glad you just said that because i'm playing in the Miami Open in the exhibition match March 20th, I believe, if I'm not mistaken.

I forgot who my opponent is. Then you will be able to see. See, anytime I say something, there will always be video evidence to follow behind it. And for anybody in the chat that's been following me for a while, they can show you that I can play tennis very well. What about LaMelo Ball? He scored 92. So, are they any good? Hold on, hold on. Who LaMelo Ball

play for? Chino Hills. Played in Chino Hills. Oh, they can't play no hoop in Chino Hills, man. He dropped 92. So, what about that, Ocho? He dropped 92 in a game. You hear what I just said, huh? They can't hoop right there in Chino Hills. There ain't no hoopers.cho He dropped 92 in a game You hear what I just said huh They can't They can't hoop

Right there in Chino Hills There ain't no hoopers The man dropped 92 There ain't no hoopers Okay I'm I ain't got nothing Listen LaMelo the real deal

Listen LaMelo the real deal In the NBA So I can understand Him dropping 92 Now that I understand I just chose to go Drop I chose to go

A different route Ocho Could've Could've Who knows going by two. I chose to go a different route, don't y'all? Could have. Could have. Who knows? You right. You right. I'm going to let you have it.

I'm going to let you have it. I love it. It seems that the Steelers are looking to trade their first and second round picks for Trevor Lawrence. Steelers, if y'all think you're going to be able to get Trevor Lawrence, thank you, Ocho. If you think you're going to be able to get Trevor Lawrence,

oh, Ocho, here's the thing. Jacksonville wouldn't have to give up anything. Jacksonville would get to stay at five. Now, if we get the Steelers' first round pick, we can package that. Move up, maybe get a a quarterback that's what we feel but it's going to take more if y'all think y'all going to be able to get Trevor Lawrence for a one and a two

y'all are out your damn mind I don't understand what the Jaguars are going to do what are they going to do you need a quarterback so you're letting go of a quarterback that you assumedly don't believe in to this point who has all the intangibles.

I mean, he passes the eye test. I mean, I'm man. Already? You're throwing the white flag already? Mm-hmm. Jesus. Talk about impatience.

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for the Giants from the Giants for Matthew Stafford I like that move I like that I'm not giving up the number three pick for no

for no 36 37 year old quarterback listen when's the last time the Giants had a quarterback? Eli Manning? Yes. How long has it been?

Okay, it's been a minute. If you want to win now, if you want to make some changes, you go get you a Super Bowl-winning quarterback that knows how to win, can throw that damn ball. I like it. Stafford to neighbors, talk to me. Stafford to Jalen Hyatt, talk to me. Jalen Wyatt.

Hyatt. It's Hyatt? Yeah, Jalen Hyatt. Talk to me. Jalen Wyatt. Hyatt. It's Hyatt? Yeah, it's Hyatt. Oh, yeah. There's another Jalen for the Patriots. I think he's Jalen Pope. Yeah. Ocho, but here, this is what

Ocho, this is what would concern me. What? What part? Matthew Stafford has really never played outdoors. He went from Detroit. He went to the Rams. Would you be concerned for a 36, 37-year-old not playing outdoors? Not with that kind of arm like that. Did you see him against the Eagles in the snow?

There are very few quarterbacks who can whip it like that in the snow. Aaron Rodgers, himself, Stafford, you know, in a, in a slip, Josh Allen,

Mahomes. It ain't too many of them get thrown like that now. Yeah. Burrow. I do realize I know the Rams don't want to redo his deal. Um, um, don't get thrown like that now. Yeah. Burrow. I do realize, I know the Rams don't want to redo his deal. I like Matt. I think he's phenomenal. Met his wife a couple times.

She's great. But she loves her husband and she thinks they haven't shown the kind of respect for someone that has done what he's done for them.

And she ain't got no problem. That's the bridge of hair. What did I tell you? When you say something and you got a significant other or a family member says something, where does the team, where do that fan base thinks that's coming from? Okay. I just, right or wrong or indifferent.

I'm just telling you how the mind say. Yeah. Right or wrong or indifferent, I'm just telling you how the mind say it. Yeah, absolutely. If I said, if my brother, my sister said something, Bucket, Burns said something, even though it ain't come from me. Oh man, you know they get that wrong. Real say something.

Your homeboy, one of your homeboys say something. Man, you know, man, you know, man, you know what your daughter told him I don't know why they don't want to do redo the man contract damn man Stafford

still throwing that thing but I know they like Stetson Bennett ain't he cheap you know and they said we need more pieces so they got a very good defense and they said we need more pieces so they got a very good defense

and they're young yeah but you gotta be careful what's that? you gotta be careful both defense and young I know they're hungry I know they're playing they're playing well

Burst and the rest of them boys but Uncle you need a quarterback to compete man I do I believe I know you do you absolutely need a quarterback to compete, man. I do. I believe. I know you do. You absolutely need a quarterback to compete.

You're not winning without one. T. Higgins posts cryptic message ahead of free agency. He took to Instagram and posted an image of him saying, priorities are rare, options are everywhere. The caption five, just out here working. Ocho, if you're the Bengals, what do you do? Reports came out that the Bengals have only four staff members working

in the scouting department, the fewest in the entire league. I don't know. I told you how I feel. I told you how I feel. You know, I understand what the fans want. You know, the fans always are going to be loyal to their team and always want the player to play.

I love T. T is deserving of what he should get. I know T is going to say all the right things. Joe Burrow is going to say all the right things publicly. Jamar Chase is going to say all the right things publicly. Joe Burrow is not taking less. He didn't take less when it was time to get paid. Jamar Chase ain't giving you no hometown

discount. He's going to get the money that he deserves. And it's warranted. But that's the thing, Ocho. You notice that? Now, the quarterbacks, I mean, I don't got no problem if that's what you want to do. But why do they always expect us to get...

Why do they... And fans, I to get... Why do they expect... And fans, I don't... Why do fans expect millionaires to give billionaires a discount? Y'all always talk about all the wealth... These guys are super... I mean, whatever the riches... Whoever has made the most money

as an NFL player, it's not even a tenth of what the owners... Not even close. That's what I don't get, Ocho. And the players, and what the team will do,

they'll frame it, well, he wouldn't give us a discount. So he's not a team player. They don't want to win. Yeah. Not one, not in the NFL, not one of them gave these networks a discount.

Oh, no. At all. Listen, I want T.D. Gimbert. Absolutely. And listen, if you hit the market, not only is he going to get more... He hit the market, he ain't coming back. They better get something done. They better get something done in the first...

Because you know you have that Ocho, you have that what do they call it? That period where they could I forget the name of it. Where you can talk to guys. I forget what that negotiating witness call.

But anyway, they better do something because if he visits another team, he ain't leaving the building. Hey, you know what they finna offer? You know what they finna offer, young boy, man? You know they overpay when you hit the house. Absolutely, because I got you, because I got to get you out of that situation. Why would you leave for incomparable money unless it's really bad?

Maybe you just want to be out. But for the most part, they overpay because they really want you out of that situation. You got to uproot your family. You've got to put kids in school. Even if you don't have kids, you know, your family, they're used to being in that area because you've been there for at least a minimum of three to five years. This is the funny thing.

Yeah, the tampering. So you've got that tampering window, Ocho, where you can have conversations. If I'm the Bengals, if I want them, I've got to tamper early and often. It's the funny thing though even if they do overpay if he does hit the market it really wouldn't be overpaying you're paying for exactly what you get

every penny he's worth every last penny every last penny and he deserves it you know I talked about playing childhood dreams

finally making it you know I know you want the band to stick together I know you want the band to stick together. I know you want the band to stick together, but why you got to be the one to take less? You're just as deserving as everybody else. Why you got to be the one to,

you know what, I'm going to be the, no, man, I ain't into that, man. No, I want a big, for this time around, I want a big piece of chicken. You know what I'm saying? I like wings. I like short thighs. I like drunk, but I want the breasts. I want a big piece of chicken you know what I'm saying I like wings

I like short thighs I like draw but I want the breasts I want a big piece I want the daddy or the granddaddy piece of chicken now yeah listen I would love for things to work out you know the right way you know as a

fan but I can compartmentalize and separate the two. I can separate the business side and actually, like I said, the side of me being an actual fan and wanting everybody to stay together and understanding that it's not possible because somebody's going to have to take the short end of the stick. But here's the thing, Ocho. Fans don't understand that the players are business also.

They only look at it from a, not all. I shouldn't say all or every, but a lot of fans only look at it from an NFL standpoint that it's a business. They don't look at the players when they're doing business also. And I've got to make the best decision because when a player, when teams cut players,

the first thing they say, it was a business decision. We got to do what's in the best interest of the team. But when a player does what is in the best interest of the player, a lot of fans label him selfish. He don't care about winning. Look what Brady did. Look what Brady did. Let me ask you a question.

Yeah, I saw what Brady did. How many of those players are going to get a 10-year, $375 billion contract when they retire? How many of those players' wives were making $30, $40 million? Does any of these players, I want to know the player

right now currently that his wife or girlfriend, significant other, makes that kind of money. That is okay. Oh, over down there in Kansas City, the tight end?

Yeah. Michael Irving says Brian Schottenheimer needs God to turn around the Cowboys. Let that sink in, Jack. One of the all-time great Cowboy players lives currently still in Dallas,

bleeds blue and silver, says that Brian Schottenheimer needs God to turn around Dallas. Yeah. And Dak's over there talking, well, Mike already said they're going to win the AFC next year. needs God to turn around Dallas. Yeah. And Dak's over there talking, well, Michael already said they're going to win the AFC next year. Dak said they're close.

I mean, San Francisco's close to L.A. I ain't trying to walk it, though. Cowboys are not close to the Eagles. Even the fans in Dallas know that. And deep down, the players know that. They're not close. Your offensive line isn't comparable.

Your two-ski, your wide receivers aren't comparable. Your running back damn sure isn't comparable. Your quarterback, the difference between your quarterback, he might have better stats, but he doesn't play better in big moments.

Your defense damn sure isn't better. Y'all got one player. Y'all probably, they probably got one player on Dallas defense that will play for the Eagles, and that's Micah.

Micah Lurgan says, Brian Schottenheimer needs God to turn the Cowboys around what you think Ocho hey Mike shut out man hey the Cowboys need some work especially defensively we know that there have been some games where they showed up and showed

out but decent work, especially defensively. We know that. There have been some games where they showed up and showed out. But it's all on Dak. It's all on Dak this year, baby. It's all on Dak. Dak is going to have to be the one to overcome all the struggles. He got to. Whatever struggles they have on defense, Dak has to overcome that.

Any issues on offense, Dak has to overcome that. Any issues on offense, Dak has to overcome that. Similarly, what Mahomes does. Similarly, what Mahomes does with the Kansas City Chiefs. I'm not saying he's Patrick Mahomes. I'm just saying in order for the Cowboys to have success, Dak has to play that much better than what's around him. Does that make sense?

Yeah, but when has he done that? Outside of what people keep telling me, Dak, but when has he done that? Outside of people keep telling me Dak telling me turnovers is not, but that's who Dak is. If you go back and study Dak, look, he turns the ball over. I'm confused. I'm confused by what people don't they don't believe what they see.

Oh, he gonna do it. Okay. Eight years is a large sample size. No, that's nine years. 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24. So Dak's been in the league nine years. This is about to be his 10th year. Isn't that a large enough sample size to see what he is? I can't argue with that.

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