Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Rodgers Quiet Retirement? + Steelers Expectations

Episode Date: June 27, 2025

TJ Houshmandzadeh & James Harrison react to Aaron Rodgers saying this season with the Steelers will likely be his last NFL season, and break down the secrets to NFL training!01:47 - Introduction03:15 - Working Out27:41 - Steelers/ARod(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or show off all them muscles he got. So he got a little t-shirt on today. So we good to go. First off, what's happening? You good? He's going always good, man. Always good. First off, what's happening? You good? Always good, man. Always good.

You know, had to do the same thing I do every day, work out. Then go work my boys out. They had to do some field work today. So I gave my son an opportunity to get out there and test out his ankle that he had, so he could repair so easy. He's doing good.

Speaking of your boys, I don't know if we touched on this yesterday or not. How is it now that they're of age and you can actually get on the field, get in the weight room, work out with them? I don't know. How is the instruction? Are you on their ass? Or are you kind of letting the dude you train with?

Cause I don't know him, but we gonna get in a, you say his name is Ian, correct? Yeah, Ian, that's the guy. We gonna get in Ian also, but how is that just like working out with your sons now that they're of age? I'll work out with one of them and someone will train the other one and then I'll switch day to day.

And to be honest with you, man, it's all depending on what I'm getting from them. If I'm a jump on a butternut, I usually have to jump on my youngest, but a little bit more than I do my oldest. I really don't have to jump on my oldest at all, to be honest with you. He's more, he's more like me.

He loves to do it. He wants to, you know, try and do it to the best, the best of his abilities. And you know, he wants to try and get stronger every day. My younger one, I just gotta, I gotta push him a little bit. He's just now breaking through the point where he's getting used to the burn, the hurt, you know the pain that you got to go through to build and you know he's learning an appreciation for it. So it's a little more motivation talking to him. Of course, it's in my words, my language. It's not for everybody else's kids for me to coach them

because I coach my kids as if they're mine. And if I was to coach yours, I'm gonna do the same thing if that's what you're looking for. But that's the only way I know how to do it. What position they in? I got linebacker running back and a safety running back. Okay. And so I don't know Ian, but I feel like I know Ian

because of you and RC being Ryan Clark. How did that, where do you live now? I live in Pittsburgh. I'm just out here now. So I assume you were still living at Pittsburgh, but you know what they say when you assume. Yeah, make an ass out of you. You live in Pittsburgh, and Ian, if I'm not correct,

is in Arizona. So you not playing, and you still traveled to Arizona to train with Ian, obviously now your boys, but even when you were retired, you was just going out there to get however many weeks in with him to head back home? Yeah, so after I was done, I had a workout app that I had out. So I was doing a lot of filming for that.

And, you know, in the process of building out that app and doing all the exercises, so I could have, you know, the whole platform ready to go and do all that. But, you know, it's, you know, that's like my vacation. You know, most people, they want to go to, you know, they want to go to Florida or somewhere. They want to go out and eat and party and do all that. I want to go to the gym.

You know, if I take a vacation, I'm not leaving no more than three days. If it ain't got a gym, I may not leave at all. Like, it's not happening. Like, if I can't get to a gym, we ain't got a gym, I may not leave at all. Like it's not happening. Like if I can't get to a gym, we ain't going nowhere. Like if I... When did you start training with Ian? When in your career?

What year in your career did you start training with him? 2000. So here's something. So 2000, I think it was nine, sorry, 2010. Right in the middle. Yeah, so it was 2009, sorry, 2010. Right in the middle. Yeah, so it was 2009, 2010, I started with him. And the big reason I started with him is he was doing a lot of soft tissue work for me.

That's when I hurt my back. I ended up having to get surgery at the end of the season and they locked us out. So I thought I got the surgery, they locked us out. So I couldn't do none of my therapy anywhere. And I ended up doing all my therapy here in Arizona with him. And from that time, you know, forward,

I just got stronger and stronger. I got leaner and leaner, you know, he helped me to actually really dial in my diet and understand what it is that I needed to eat, shouldn't eat, the amounts that I could eat and come to realize like, you could smash as much. He said, anything that runs, flies or swarms, you could almost eat as much as that, as you want.

And then, stay away from anything that was a car. And I basically went into almost like a keto diet and dude, I, I wasn't close to working out as hard as I could because I was recovering from the surgery and doing the therapy of it. But you know, I dropped down to almost 8% body fat in that time. It runs, flies and swim. So I get that part of it. So what about the fruit? Because that ain't running flying and swimming.

You can't eat all the fruit you want or is it because it's the best? Because it's natural sugar don't mean it's not carbs. It's this, you know, it's what they call good sugar, but it's still carbs. So, oh man, then I don't know that I would know when I would get like four weeks where it would just be zero any carbs that I got was from the meat and you know whatever else and then you would be allowed to get like a you know like a half cup of berries so the only thing

that you know I was allowed was a berry so blackberries blueberries strawberries that was the lowest man I just ate a whole thing of blueberries. I mean, blackberries, whole thing, just by myself right now. I don't know, I eat whatever. Well, you can, I mean, look at you. You one of them dudes that can eat whatever, don't gain no weight, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I hate y'all. Well. Nah, man, but I don't, like, no, this would happen. Let me, so when we, when I retired, I didn't go to the, I didn't go to the doctor, bro. No lie. Last year was 2012. I went to the doctor.

The first time I went to the doctor after I retired was 2021. And I retired in 2012, right? Down my line. Got all the, you're paying for insurance and I ain't in 2012, right? Down my line. Got all the, you're paying for insurance and I ain't using it, right? And so I go to the doctor, boom, everything fine.

No problems. So he was like, we gonna do your blood work. So I go do my blood work. And then he called me like a week later and was like, can you come into the office? I'm like couple to the office The fuck like I'm now nervous like but you can't tell me it's over to follow but coming to the office So then I drive, you know, it's like 40 minutes away And he was like everything checked out fine

except your cholesterol And I'm like first thing I'm like bro I don't even eat a lot of french fries and fried food like if my kids go to Chick-fil-A or some I might eat a fry or two but I'm not eating the whole thing. And he's like nah refined sugar is worse for your cholesterol than fried foods. And I'm like well okay and every card that I have I keep a bag of candy in the middle console. Cause as soon as I get in, I'm eating the candy and I was probably, even when I was playing when I was retired, I would probably eat four scoops of ice cream,

four or five days a week with like two sprinkle cup. So I was eating that like damn near every day. He said my cholesterol, and I don't know if you know the numbers, but I was 282 and they wanted to be under 200. And I got nervous. So I literally, I didn't eat any candy, any ice cream. I felt like a crack head, bro, because like I was like feeding

him for some candy and some ice cream, but I didn't eat it for like eight months straight. Nothing, nothing. And then I gradually like every blue moon. Now I'll eat some ice cream here and there. I'll eat some candy here and there, but I'm an asshole because I'm a dumb asshole. I have been back to the doctor since 2021.

And I keep saying that I'm gonna go back because I wanna see has my cholesterol hasn't dropped yet. And so I need to see if I had that type of discipline because we, you may think, oh, I look good, but on the inside, you slowly die. Yeah, yeah. You got a lot of guys that look, you know, look like Hercules on the outside and on the inside. Yeah. You slowly die. Yeah, yeah. You got, you got a lot of guys that look, you know, look like hercules on the outside and on the inside, you know, they, you know, they wicked than a, you know, a three year

old girl. So it's, it's, um, and then they're unhealthy too. You know what I'm saying? It's, it's, uh, it's a combination. What you just said is, especially, say a three year old child, not a three year old girl, three year old child. Three year old child. Say a three-year-old child not a three-year-old But so I

Am is help as far as the food part aspect the strength part Extended your career and that's why you're there with your sons. Yeah, yeah. So I'm trying to, well, my oldest, he sort of got the understanding of what it was that he needed to do after he had to have a couple surgeries. So he blew his SC joint. And from that point forward, everything I was trying to tell him, I'm like, dude, you gotta eat right. You gotta take care of your body. You know, you I was trying to tell him, I'm like, dude, you got to eat right. You got to take care of your body. You know, you want to expire to go to college and possibly go further than that. So you need to start doing the things necessary now to preserve and prolong your body.

And from that point forward, last July, he actually just totally stopped eating any really, uh, refined sugars. He's, he dropped this low. It's like one 55 after, um, he's up to like two Oh seven now. So he put up, he put on a little over 50 pounds of, of, uh, he might wait. That's why I weighed this morning when I woke up seven. Oh, you ain't no tool. Seven.

Hey, I told you I was working out I got 50 more push-ups to do and that'd be 500 for the day and I'm doing my legs tomorrow you listen you ain't you ain't no yes I'm 207 how tall is 207 pounds I told you. Six two. Six two. How would you think I would? I mean it's possible. I was looking at you like 185. You know. Oh my God. That's Chad.

That's disrespectful. Chad 185. I'm just saying like I'm looking at like kind of the same bill. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of 2B, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called

niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen.

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And then if I stood up, we're the same size shirt and then you see this firepower down below Yeah saying so I should and then you see this firepower down below yeah Paul hey James when I was up yeah yeah Paul's real when I was in a so you know I went Juco I was you and then I was when I was in college no bullshit you know I bench 395 pounds I did listen I could believe that because a lot of our skilled dudes when I was in college were super strong I did 225 23 times. I was squatting like 450 my vert was 39 Yeah No, la

What a guy I promise you see it's crazy I had this, everybody old TJ was slow. You know what tomorrow I'm gonna see if I can find it. But I ran 10, five and a hundred meters in junior college. 21, three and a 200. Cerritos junior college. Yeah. I mean, that's cool. That's cool.

You know what I mean? They kind of doing that in high school right now. But you know. Yeah, yeah. They much, I'm just saying yeah 185 man, I weighed that nice. I was 178 getting out of high school Me use around so late Hey, I was I was 190 in your high school. Oh

So we's about the same weight. Yeah. Yeah, my picture said I was a You know, it's always a two inches and 20 pounds. It said I was six, two, two, 10. You know what I'm saying? Hey, and I came into the league at two 18 when Marvin Lewis got there. Because, you know, your Dick LeBow was my coach, my first two in the league. Then when Marvin Lewis got to the Bengals, he basically made me lose weight. So then I got to about 205. He was like, the NFL is not about being big.

It's how you move. I need you to lose weight. And I was ripped, I'm built like I'm ripped up. I'm like, where I lose weight at? And I lost weight. Because I was like, I was drinking that milkshake, those like four scoops of ice cream. And then I'll make a milkshake sometimes at night.

I just stopped doing that. Cause I'd eat the ice cream and then some nights I'll make a milkshake. Yeah. And I just lost weight. That's simple, that's easy. All you gotta do is step away from the table. A lot of people don't understand that.

Like, I don't eat that much. I only eat once a day, but you snacking all throughout the day and you tearing up, you know, three, 400 carbs, you know, from all the high fatty food, little chips here, you know, nuts here and all the other, you know, all the other stuff, you know, trail mix and all that. And they think, you know, it don't really count them like, yeah. So what was it about RC when you saw him that made you want to go work with Ian because he referred, what was it that you saw in RC that made you say, let me go

try him out. So what happened is I was having issues with my back and RC was like, yo, you need to see my dude. like yo, you need to see my dude. And so that season leading up to when we played Green Band Super Bowl, Ian was doing soft tissue work on me, you know, helping me get through the season so that I didn't have to get surgery. So that's what initially got me into seeing him. So I was seeing him like once a week, you know what I'm saying? And from there, after that happened, I ended up getting my surgery done.

And I had already made the plans that I was gonna go out there and train. But when they locked us out, I ended up going out there and doing all my therapy out there. And like, I'm so happy that, you know, that's what happened. And like, I'm so happy that, you know, that's what happened. My recovery, the buildup was totally different than, you know, what you're gonna get, you know,

at the team, how they proceed and do their therapy, you know, his understanding of how the body works, what's gonna, you know, what you combine with this and what you combine with that, you know, to get a better result, you know, what you combine with this and what you combine with that to, you know, to get a better result, you know, from, you know, just even exercise, you know what I'm saying? Combining different exercises to get a... What city, what city is Ian in, in Arizona?

He in Scottsdale, we're in Mississippi now. Man, I might have to go fuck with Ian. I might have to take my son out because I had terrible back problems. No, I'm telling you. If I had had Ian at the very beginning of my career, I almost feel like 100% that I would have never had to have the surgery.

Really? No, yes. Like, you gotta realize, you know, they say, oh well, your knee is, you know, it's wearing tear. The cartilage is scraping, so they wanna go in and scope it, right? Well, what you don't understand is not just wearing tear. Something's not firing right.

Your muscles aren't functioning the same way they were before, so it's causing your knee to not wear into that same groove. Maybe it's edging off like this, and now it's scraping on that garbage. So what they go in and do is they go in and fix what's giving you the pain. They don't actually fix what causes it.

The fan went and actually did muscle testing and figured out, you know what, your quad, you know, one of your quad muscles isn't firing right. Let's do what we need to do to get that back activated and firing right. It'll line that, alignment of that knee back up and you won't have it, you know, scraping off cartilage.

Well, send me Ian's number.ilage. Well, send me your number. Let Ian know you gave me his number. So when I hit him up, he ain't acting like he don't know who I am. Oh, I do. I do a section letting know you go ahead and hit him up. But now he's busy seeing. So it's a bunch of guys out here right now. So, oh, no, I'm just it's for the future.

I ain't listen me working out. I'm a work I'm doing. I'm just it's for the future. I mean listen me working out. I'm gonna work. I'm doing I'm doing Jim Jones workout, man. I'm doing pull-ups push-ups We don't do that. Yeah, if that's what you come to do don't come here. Oh, I'm talking about for my son Like wait, I have it man. I ain't got under a bench press. I Haven't not benched At least 10 years Yeah, and we thought I have not benched at least 10 years.

At least. It's a few, it's been a number of guys that come here talking about they're ready to get it in and they go through lay day and they ain't went on sem no more. See, but that ain't me though. Like mentally, I'm an animal. I'm like the Navy SEAL up here.

Hey, I'm not quitting with nothing. I'll die before I quit. That's one thing that I will. I won't quit like I'm throwing up. You're sorry. I'm not. You got too much. Yeah, you won't come back after a long day that brought. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

They don't come back at all. That ain't me. Yeah, that's what I think about. You'll see him no more. Cats get a week in there and they like, yeah, this is what it is. Yeah, this is what it is. Just work over here and pee pee. Ain't no ho with me.

That's one thing. That's one thing like no, no, no. Now I guess I just look like this, but I'm coming back. Yeah. I'm also a man. I want to be pushed. Yeah. We love to work. Like, you know, the leg, I ain't gonna lie to you, man.

Your first couple of leg days, probably your first two, three weeks of legs, you know what I'm saying? Normally the cycle goes Monday is legs and Thursday is legs. And then Tuesday is basically back, chest back. We call it push pull. Wednesday is core.

It's core. Friday is shoulders. And Saturday is buys and tries. We shoulders and Saturday is his bias. He tries to do six days a week here. My core is strong. My core is strong as hell because I always had a bad back. So I made sure that my core is strong. I'm doing all core. I'm killing that. That's going to be the easy day for me. All right.

I'm telling you, if I really worked out, I'd be built like you. I just... Today, I heard. Don't get me wrong. You'll make it through. I know I'm gonna make it through. Oh, you gonna hurt. No question.

I'm gonna act like it don't hurt. It's impossible. Man, I'm pulling up, bro. I promise you, it's impossible. I'm pulling up. I'm pulling up, bro. I promise you, it's impossible. I'm pulling up, I'm pulling up. So Ian, he done got, and then when my son get of age, I'm bringing him out there. For sure, for sure.

Start him young. You know, our C son, George. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he's out here right now, but you know, he went to Arizona State. So he actually got to do, when he was in Arizona State. He got a lot of work with him And I don't know it I just like I said work with him from day one You know what I'm saying and RC still going out there working out like he playing I see that his thing to do DB precision though

Yes, he so I trained I trained a lot of guys For the draft every I've been doing it now like five years. Um, all receivers inside it. I don't train probably like in the last five years, probably 31st to second round. Okay. That's what's up. Yeah.

Like knock on wood the last four years that guy right there. I don't train them a top rick and receiver in the league the last four years. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And that part of it is fun. I like being able to teach him and the why.

Okay, look, when he plays you this way, these are the things that we want to do. These are the things that we are looking for. We understand zone, where to sit. I'm teaching them protections. I'm okay. I want you to look inside. If it looks like it's a blitz and it's going to be picked up, understand what you can do.

If it looks like it's a blitz and it's not going to be picked up, you can't be dancing at the line of scrimmage if you have press covers. Your quarterback gonna be on his back. No question. We kind of go through everything and now when my guys do their interviews, I got coaches now calling me like, TJ, Buddy Sharp, he knows stuff like a quarterback. I'm like, exactly.

Then we going over protection, we going over what the middle linebacker job is cover four, what the safety job is cover four, what is in cover three, cover three cover three Scott what's the fire zone we going through all that did you know that part of it that's partly why I'm probably not chubby I got too much pride to get chubby but when they when I know the training is coming around I got to make sure I'm in shape because I got to move around with them like tomorrow I got fat there from this oh but hey tomorrow I'm in shape. Cause I gotta move around with him. Like tomorrow. I ain't gonna lie to you, I got fat there for a minute, so. Hey, tomorrow I'm hopping on the track and I'm running.

Hopping on the track and I'm gonna run for a good hour. I'm gonna get it in, dude. And it's too heavy. Yeah. I'm too heavy to run that long. How much QA? I drop. I drop.

So you about 250? I'm down to like 255 to 60. What was you like 280? Oh Chad just text me Oh He don't want no problems. I'll knock his ass out. Yep. He'll get tired in the first round Tell Chad I'm down that till Chad. I'm down to 255. Oh I'm down that till Chad. I'm down to 255. Oh He said he wore tank top yesterday thought it was gonna scare me I he realized I ain't get scared so we put a t-shirt on No, it's my supplement company. My partner in this optimum EF a

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Pittsburgh Steeders. So Aaron Rodgers, he say, I don't want the attention when I'm done playing. You won't see me. When this is all said and done, it's Kaiser Sosa, you won't see me. I won't be in public. I won't live a public life.

That's why it's so strange what's going on right now in my private life, because I don't want to live a life in a public eye. I'm not going to be in a public eye. When this is done, I'm done. You won't see me and I'm looking forward to that, right? But then why are you going to do the Pat McAtee show every Tuesday during the season?

Why didn't you sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers a long time ago? Because the longer you wait, you know you're going to constantly be talked about. How, one, do you believe that? Two, how is it going from a player, and when you're a good player, as you were and I was, you in a public eye, you can't go to the grocery store.

Anywhere you go, you sign an autograph. Do you believe that's possible for Aaron Rodgers? Do I believe it's possible for him to go off the map and be not sitting? Do you think he'll do that? I don't know. He might want to go into the jungle and do what he was doing before.

Like, I mean, that's possible. I would think so. But does he really wanna do it? If I knew him better, and then just all the stories I hear, from all the stories I hear, I don't believe there's no way in hell he believe, he's saying what he actually thinks.

Okay, you don't know Aaron Rodgers, but you played with Ben Roethlisberger. Is that like? No comparison, no, no. No comparison at all? No, man. That's, that's, that's No, man. That's that's that's Why is that to explain that?

from the what I get from the media with Aaron Ben is Not it's nowhere near there. You know what I'm saying? Like the caliber of just you know, over the topness and kind of just calling guys out and throwing cats under the bus, you know, as coaches and all, I just didn't, I didn't get that from Ben, you know.

It may have been a situation and circumstances where he may have said something and it was taking by the media as that, but I'm, you know, almost 90% sure he probably said it to him behind closed doors before he was even said. So I just didn't, you know, the only thing that may have happened with Dan

like in his, when he was younger, was, you know, he may have exaggerated how hurt he was or something, you know. So- He wanted sympathy. No, so he makes you look a little tougher, man. You know?

Ben is a tough dude, no matter what. Like, you know, he's sitting there. He's taking the hits He's doing all that. I mean his biggest fuck right, you know He may embellish, you know a little bit of was you know, what's going on, you know So that when they go out there and he dog y'all, you know, like oh my god He played move so much you got the big right, so So much. You got the big three. So it is. Right. So.

I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out

there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content. The term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you played for Mike Tomlin. Do you believe Aaron Rodgers and Mike Tomlin, they can make this relationship, this partnership work? No, I don't.

I think they can make it work if they win it. If they start losing and it's looking like they ain't gonna make above a 500 I think it gets real ugly real fans like to the point of like they make no don't think about what I'm saying to the point of like they may just be like you know? Let's let this do go mid season for Aaron. Like let's just get him out here and put one of these other quarterbacks in. You know, my tea ain't going nowhere.

My tea ain't going nowhere. So everybody that believe, you know, my tea needs to go somewhere. That's not going to happen. Um, you got a coach right. You don't believe it's possible. You don't think it's in the realm of any possibility that Aaron Rodgers can get Mike Tomlin fired at all? No, the only person who can get Mike Tomlin fired is Mike Tomlin. If he goes and, you know, and puts up a couple of losing seasons, then I don't see him getting fired.

You know, he has a number of years left on his contract. I could see the possibility of them not renewing him, but not firing him. That's just something that the still is not going to do. Especially after having, you know, this much success over that long a time frame without losing season. Don't get me wrong, yes, I understand. We have not won a playoff game since 2016. And it ain't going to win one this year either. And that is a huge that is a huge drought. But, you know, you got six in one hand, half a dozen in the other. You know what I'm saying?

Grass ain't always green on the other side. And, you know, maybe a lot of people don't want to go over there and check it out. So. I don't. Yeah, to me, I see him work it. When you win, covers up a lot. Covers up a lot. Covers up a lot. When you start losing, then it's gonna come out

cause man, you should have signed earlier. Motherfucker, waiting till many count the sign. You'd have been hearing the OTAs and everybody gonna have something to say when you start losing. But when you win, it kind of just covers up. It covers up all the BS, it covers up all the BS, it covers up all the stuff in the locker room. Soon as you start losing,

the first thing the media is in there doing is they watching, they're looking. You think the Steelers can make the playoffs? Do I think the Steelers can make the playoffs? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Who they gonna who they gonna knock out because let's just go through it right now right? Mm-hmm. We got the Chiefs in there right? Yeah right? The Chargers? No. They made it last year. Jim Harbaugh is... I'm just lucky. No, no, no. Jim Harbaugh, his second year as a head coach everywhere he's been has been a huge jump.

You think that jump is not gonna continue or you think it stops? Go with it. Just this year, every place he's been. No, I'm playing with you. Okay. I'm gonna take you with... I'm not putting... Hold up, listen.

We gonna go through the AFC and I want you to tell me who they gonna knock out. So we think the Chiefs, the Chargers, the Broncos, that's the AFC West, because those all three were playoff teams last year. Bo Nixon in second year, he's probably gonna be better with Sean Payton. No, he gonna have that sophomore let down.

Awkward slump, huh? Okay. And then you go to the AFC East, the Bills gonna be in, so that's four teams that made it. AFC North, we probably gonna pick the Ravens for sure. That's five teams. And then you got the AFC South, whether it's the Texans, the Colts, the Titans,

whoever it is. You gotta realize something. Of all those things you said, I feel like our defense can play better. And if we get a quarterback that can actually... I don't believe y'all defense was better than the Broncos defense last year. They weren't better than the Broncos. The Broncos had one of the best defenses in the league with two of the better pass rushers in the league.

I said it could play better. I didn't say it was better. But if they didn't play better last year, you got the young defense that got better in Denver, because now this is what this how I look at it. The Steelers gonna be competing with these teams because it's going to be one spot for all these teams. I'm about to name the Miami Dolphins. The New England Patriots. And the Bengals those three teams.

Yeah, we got a lot of huh we got all them y'all can't be snatched we got Ben's gonna be those y'all not be us y'all not being us come on Stop who? Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, T Higgins, Chase Brown, Mike Dissecki. Y'all not stopping us. And then that old line. What happened last year? Huh? What happened last year?

One and one. Okay. And the bad part is the game that y'all won, it was un-effin' bro. We let Russell Wilson shred us for 400 yards in the air. Best game of the season. We got new defensive coordinator. I bet money on that. We gonna beat y'all ass both games this year.

Hey, you know what? Now that we talking about the Steelers and Bengals, producers, y'all got the clip that we was talking about yesterday when I did my shoes so we can get in that real quick before Killie Ringo get on. Y'all got that? Okay, hold up. Pause it, pause it, pause it, pause it right quick, pause it right quick. So let's go back story, right? So that season

We were one of the best teams in the league. We all young, Carson our quarterback, myself, Chad, Chris Henry, our receiver May he rest in peace We was damn near unbeatable. Our offense was top three in the league if I'm not mistaken self-check, Chris Henriette receiver, may he rest in peace. We was damn near unbeatable. Our offense was top three in the league, if I'm not mistaken. Our defense, total yards weren't good, but they were number one in forced turnovers.

And we played the Steelers in Pittsburgh. And I forget the hotel we stayed at, it was a big ass hotel in Pittsburgh, man. And I get on the elevator. Bunch of Pittsburgh Steeder fans. And they, you know, they talking shit, but they being super cool. So I told Buddy they had terrible towels and they was just waving them.

And I'm just joking with them and whatnot. And I say, hey, let me buy that from you. $20. He's like, no, I said $100. Soon as I said $100, he said yes. So I gave him $100. Yes, yes. And he gave me the terrible time. He gave me the terrible time from 1990.

From where? Anywhere. I'm about to get on a team bus to go to the stadium. Oh, right then. Yeah. So we come out for pre-game. We come out for pre-game and I got it onto my left side as a streamer. So I'm warming up with that thing. Well, you know, with that thing now. I come out for pregame and I got it onto my left side as a streamer. So I'm warming up with that thing, you know, with that thing now. And Marvin walks by me and he snatches it.

So I turn around, cuz I'm to myself pregame. I turn around like, Marvin, give me it back, bro. What you got? Like, I try to take it back. He wouldn't give it back to me. So the whole game, obviously, I didn't have it. So the game ends. By the way, I had a great game. I had two touchdowns over, I think I had over 100 yards,

but I know I for sure had two touchdowns. So as we walk into the tunnel, it was hanging out, I guess he must have given it to Hugh Jackson. It was kind of, I could see part of it hanging out the back pocket of his pants Man, I pulled that shit right on now I'm running off the field like this and then I get towards the tunnel and I was like Let me sit down and just do this now y'all go ahead and play it go ahead play it So I just started doing that just it was just kind of impromptu I had thought about it and I didn't think anything of it. Yeah, that was a downfall right there, baby.

I didn't think anything of it. I was just having fun, right? You never heard of the curse of the terrible time? Hey, I didn't it real it's real crazy because I'm I talk a lot of video. I play video games, right? Just Madden I'm in a Madden chat right now Madden. I'm in a Madden chat right now. The chat, damn, every player in the chat is from Pittsburgh. They all love the Steelers. And so when they, because I don't tell people who I am. So when they found out it was me, I know them boys hate me because I be talking shit. They be talking. I just lost one of these motherfuckers in the AFC championship game too, by the way. But anyway, explain to the people, the listeners, so we played y'all, we had a home game. We ended up playing Cincinnati Bengals,

Pittsburgh Steelers in a wild card game. We were at home. We should have won that game. We were winning that game. I didn't even get to play all that game, I got hurt. Yeah, like that was my Super Bowl because had that not happened to Carson, when they introduced me, they would be saying Super Bowl champ TJ Wuchmanzada because nobody was beating us that year. Yeah, if you didn't Carson Palmer gets hurt first play. Chris Henry gets hurt the first play, which was a 50, 60 yard bomb.

If you recall first play of the game, we bombed the fuck out of y'all. And both of those guys go down. Now let's rewind, explain, because I've heard it so many times, but I'm getting bits and pieces of it. Bill Cowher, the head coach, explain all of that, that led up to it.

And then he- To be honest with you, I really couldn't recall exactly what he said in the meeting, but it was pointed out, and the video was shown for sure. Like, yeah, it was shown. And like I said, I think I got hurt the very first play like on kickoff and then the next play I think is when

Oh, dude got y'all quarterback got hurt. Hey chemo chemo hitting low cheap shotting. Nah, hey, you know chemo don't cheat So I know he's not a cheat. No, he's a he's a stand-up dude He I wouldn't he didn't cheap shotting purposely, but it was a late hit and it was low It was low. I don't know how late it was. He was kind of falling into it. So Towards ACL. Yeah, it was but with that being said, I believe we were up It was either 17 7 at halftime or 17 10. We still should have won the game. We had a lot of uh We had a lot of mishaps at halftime Dude, I explain that to y'all when he come back. He can explain that to y'all if you want to y'all ask Chad

You know what the mishaps were had halftime, but yeah, man that that was the year. So I'm young That's prop. That's my third or fourth year. Maybe so I'm thinking, oh, next year, we're gonna be right back here. We're gonna be right back. We got the same team. Nope. It don't work like that. Oh, it don't work like you think. Yeah, Cass don't understand and realize all the nuances that go into each season

and each game and each play and how this play right here could have turned out differently. And they don't understand how hard it is to get back, especially when you get there like young, you know, it's like, oh, we can be back. No, no. That shit, that shit is, I was like, we gonna be back next year.

And never got back. We was always good on offense though. I will say that. We were still running and gunning on offense. We was always good on offense though. I will say that. We were still running and gunning on offense. We was out that bitch like the Pacers or the Golden State Warriors. We just, well, the Pacers, the way we went, the championship like the Warriors. But we just, yeah, the points, we just, we won't win. You always go too far.

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