Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Ryan Garcia upsets Devin Haney, Lakers lose Game 1 to Nuggets

Episode Date: April 21, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Ryan Garcia shocking the boxing world with his upset over Devin Haney, LeBron James and the Los Angeles Lakers falling to Nikola Jokic and the defending champion Denver Nuggets in Game 1, Anthony Edwards showing up his idol Kevin Durant as the Minnesota Timberwolves blew out the Phoenix Suns, the New York Knicks taking a 1-0 lead over Joel Embiid and the Philadelphia 76ers, and more! 3:00 - Introduction 5:45 - Ryan Garcia beats Devin Haney 25:30 - What’s next for Garcia? 34:30 - Nuggets beat the Lakers 47:30 - Knicks beat the Sixers 54:15 - Wolves beat the Suns 55:30 - Who could be the next “Face of the League” in the NBA? (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)  #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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number 85, route runner extraordinaire, Bengal Riga fame honoree from Liberty City. Pro bowler, all pro. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I ain't Rosado, nothing right now. Yeah, ain't that man. Listen,

Chad Johnson, that's it. Listen. Whoa, whoa, what's really going on? Chad Johnson, Ocho, that's it. He capping, Unc. Whoa, Rel, come back, Rel. Rel, what's really going on? What's really going on? I'm about to get up and cook breakfast four o'clock in the morning.

Man, listen. Listen, I'm going to tell you something. Unc, it was funny. You know, I wake up early in the morning. You know, I hate to start a show off like this, but we're beefing right now. And since we're family, I'm going to let you know the real.

I get up at five in the morning. I say, I'm hungry. She's scrolling through Instagram. I say, I'm hungry. So, I let five minutes go by. She say, I'm hungry too. So, okay, boom. So, we both hungry both hungry so i'm waiting on i'm like okay that's i'm waiting on you to like what we gonna do make the move to the kitchen two more times

so you know what i ain't getting no reply i say you know what fuck it i'm gonna get up i got up and i went to mcdonald's i can't i got me some I went to McDonald's. I can't. I got me something. And you didn't get her nothing. You got you something. And so, hold on. I get my McDonald's. I come back in. She's still in the bed.

I'm like, man, what's up, man? All nonchalant. Like, it was nothing down there to eat. I was hungry, too. What do you mean? Ain't nothing to eat. If it ain't nothing to eat? Like, come on now. So you know what? I unfollowed

on everything. I unfollowed on Twitter. I unfollowed on Instagram. Like, man, I was hot. I felt like you should have just made a little effort, even if it was nothing down there to eat, you know?

Because there's some to give you some toes. So listen, we beefing right now and I'm standing on business back there. Okay. There you go, baby.

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down three times when haney had never touched had never touched the canvas and won the victory by a majority decision garcia was ineligible to win the title for missing weight. He was three pounds over the 140 limit, which is a light hip, which is a lightweight. And Garcia really should have ended the fight in the first round. Ocho. Yeah. If Garcia took this thing serious,

because you can tell he doesn't take it serious. He came in overweight. He drank at the weigh-in. If he doesn't take it serious. He came in overweight. He drank at the weigh-in. If he were to take it serious, I think he has the tools to be really, I'm talking about special. He's good. I think he already is special. But he could be special. But there's something about Garcia that you can't teach, and that's speed.

That's quickness. There's something that he has in his hands that he relates to power because he's so quick obviously catching yeah catching catching hanging a few times and knocking him down and we know what i think ryan garcia did i think he fooled everybody i think what he did all the antics all the what i identify as and you know the protesting and the speaking out and what was going on instead of actually poking folks just to not only sell the fight but get people thinking that he wasn't taking

the fight serious because the first thing you said I he came in overweight he couldn't win the title what you mean you make people think he wasn't taking it serious once you saw him step his ass on the scale you knew he didn't take it serious. What he said about not making weight is he was happy to be fighting at his natural weight as opposed to dehydrating and being weaker going into the fight.

Yes, sir. Let me ask you a question. At lightweight, what's the weight? They didn't agree to fight at a catch weight they agreed to fight at the light weight the limit is 140 143 yeah okay he came in three pounds overweight so so how are we supposed to say he took the fight serious yeah he's drinking beer and i'm not saying i'm not saying i i saying, I don't know how to put it on. I don't know how to put it. But what I witnessed tonight was, I think, someone that was fooling us with all the antics he was doing.

Now, coming in overweight, that you can say, you know what, you're not taking this fight serious because you came in three pounds overweight. And now you don't have a shot at winning a belt or the title. But then when you see him get in the ring and perform the way he performed the night. That's that's taking it serious because I'm not trying to be funny. I'm not trying to be funny. People in the chat might agree with me. Some of them might not. They are familiar with each other because they fought in the amateurs. So they know each other very well obviously throughout the years everyone has has developed skill have gotten much better at their craft as far as the beauty as far as the sweet science is concerned but tonight it felt like i'm not saying devin haney was this this unbelievable

boxer that's out this world he was undefeated he was good at what he did but when i saw him when i saw him go down that first time, it didn't look right. It didn't look right. It just didn't feel right. I'm not saying he's Mike Tyson, but when Buster Douglas knocked Mike Tyson down, you know I'm trying to say, just the feeling. It didn't

look right because I've never seen it before. When Antonio Tarver knocked Roy Jones down or knocked him out, it just didn't look right because we're not used to seeing those individuals in those type of circumstances if that makes sense oh Joe but you don't you look at Devin Haney like an elite level like I don't I don't seem like that but he's undefeated unc he's undefeated at what he at every he's he's not look at the people he's for look at the people he's for I don't I'm that's why I was scared to say this I'm not saying he's Uncomfortable. for what he's done to this point in his career. That's all. That's all I'm saying. So it just looked weird seeing him go down. You can

respect the fighter for his resume and still say there's questions. I still have questions. You had no questions about Roy Jones. You had no questions about Mike Tyson. You had no questions about Shane Mosley before he lost to Vernon Forrest.

You had no questions about these guys that had unblemished records. Right. So when I look at Devin Haney, I see a guy with a suspect chin. He doesn't have power. So now, because you see Garcia, that fight should have been over. If that's anybody else, that fight's over. But also, you got to be careful. I think Garcia didn't want to punch himself out.

You don't want to punch yourself out in the first round. But he already did punch himself. You know why? Because he's not... How you punch yourself? Brought you 143. That's what heavyweights do.

They measure their punches. A lot of... Oh, yeah. If that had been Pacquiao, he'd have been out of there. Also, you're going to say, if that had been Mayweather, he'd have been out of there.

Is a volume puncher. Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia aren't volume punchers. They're not used to throwing that many punches around. So you do have to gauge yourself a little bit based on what your true fighting style is, if that makes sense. Remember Paul Williams? Remember Paul Williams? Guess what? Paul Williams is a volume puncher. remember paul williams yes paul williams guess what man paul wait now yeah

man it's only a few it's only a few there's only a few fighters that could do that yeah tall six four yeah you got but you gotta you gotta condition yourself to do it yeah conditioning right now. As you go up and wait, guys don't really throw punches like that because it takes a lot more oxygen to be able to put those heavyweights throw 20 punches around and stuff. And most of their punches are measured, but the lower guys,

because you know, they, they throw in 115, they throw, you know, they throw in 70, 80, a hundred punches in a round because

their condition and it doesn't right it doesn't take as much much oxygen to fuel their body but if ryan garcia yeah oh you had a chance to win it coming in with the right weight you could have left with the bell yeah yes and you had to give up a 1.5 million because you had to pay 500,000 for every pound you're overweight so that cuts into your purse all i'm saying is that if you're going to take the craft serious take it serious you want to say you want to be a champion right you want to be thought of as these great mexican fighters de la joya de la joya is the golden boy for a reason he won gold in barcelona in the 92 o. He's from East Los Angeles. When you think of Mexican fighters,

you think of tough, you think of condition. That's not Ryan Garcia. Ryan Garcia's not conditioned. You've got to take this crowd serious. Or, if you can't make way to 140, take care of the 147. But they got the real thumpers up there. We don't want to do that. They got the real thumpers up there. We don't want to do that.

They got the real thumpers up there. Yeah, I mean, 147. I mean, it would be very dangerous, very, very dangerous for Ryan. But obviously, at 140, would he display the night, man, with that jab, with that left hook, that magical. Oh, man. That's his punt. Ocho. What's your favorite route oh joe if i know oh your favorite route is a shake or a stutter go i'm gonna go out again you know his budget but you can't you can't see it you can't see speed that's like that's like wait hold on you

know what that's like tyree killer's plan right And you know he about to go deep as a DB. You already know he going deep. And every time they hike the ball, what Tua do? Hit Tyreek deep. And you knew it was coming. Some things you just can't stop. Randy Moss, he line up. The DB 10 yards off.

The DB coach tell the DB, you know what? Go ahead and go back a little bit. You know he going deep. Randy come off the ball slow as hell he throw his hand up at five yards you still got a five yard cushion they let the ball go randy still randy still go even if you know what's coming he's still catching me with it that means that left hand and that left hook is magical it's special and there's something in boxing there's something every sport you can't teach you can't teach speed and you can't you can't teach quickness you can't that's that's god given okay i might okay let's just say for

the sake of argument ocho it's 30 seconds in the clock. We up by six. And Randy Moss, are you getting beat deep? No. Nothing cheap, nothing deep. We understand early. But you know that in boxing, it's a little different than getting beat deep because you know he's a one. He's done Deontay Wilder. Why can't Deontay

Wilder win fights anymore? Because everybody knows he's trying to load up for that one punch the right hand. Once they neutralize the right hand, he's fighting one hand behind his back because he's really not doing anything else. He's not shooting the jab to sit up to the right hand. He's just looking. He's just circling. Look at the right

one big punch. He's not Lennox Lewis. He's not Vladimir Kilichko. He's not one of these Ernie Shavers guys. Larry Holmes, who used the jab. Boom. Boom. They're using it to do this.

Yes! So that's all I'm saying. Listen, give Ryan Garcia credit. But, bro, you overweight. You overweight. You overweight. Now, I understand when you fall fall drink take head of this contract bring your ass in the weight and you not and you not gonna rehydrate up to 150

but ryan won the fight but what are we supposed to do are we supposed to say oh ryan won the fight yeah he won the fight he came in in overweight. I still don't believe he took it serious because his conditioning. A guy that size shouldn't have to fight in spurts. How is Ryan Garcia? In his early 20s? Yeah, I mean, I think Marshall being cautious,

being cautious, understanding what happened last time when he fought. Listen, listen to what happened when he fought Tank. Going in there, rushing in there, being aggressive, and he was susceptible to the counter. And he got countered and couldn't get back up. So I think your approach is probably a little different.

I'm going to take it a little cautious. I'm going to pick and choose when to take my shots. Yeah. Like Duran, when Duran beat Sugar Ray, we was in shock we were in shock i remember that fight we were in shock when guys like when we look at when we look at fighters like a tyson like like all like some of the guys that have lost obviously mayweather never lost but when we look at roy jones when uh uh um antonio tarver caught. And we look at when Vernon Forrest not beat Shane once,

beat him twice. We like, God dang! I'm not surprised. Are you surprised? I'm going to be honest with you. I really thought Haney was going to win the fight.

I really thought. I'm not going to say a lie to you. win the fight. I really thought. I'm not going to say a lot to you. I thought, forget the weight. I wasn't even worried about Ryan missing weight. I was thinking about all the antics he was pulling leading up to the fight. Like, are you in camp? Are you really training? All the stuff on camera.

And I identify as a woman. What? Yeah. I thought he was just trying to sell the fight. I? Yeah. I thought he was just trying to sell the fight. I thought it was going to be a close fight. And then let me tell you

what swung me to Haney is that when he showed up overweight. I was like, man, he ain't taking it serious. That's what swung me towards really like, I was like, man,

this thing can go 50-50. I'm like, uh. Now, it wasn't like when he fought Tank. I was like, hey, nah, it wasn't like when he fought Tank. I'm like, hey, if I'm betting on this fight, I'm putting all my money on Tank.

But in Devin Haney, I'm looking at like, I just saw Haney as, to me, as a better, purer boxer. Obviously, you know,

he's sharp, even though a lot of people say he doesn't have power, he's sharp. He counters very well. His ring IQ is solid. Right. It's nice. Even though a lot of people say he doesn't have power, he's sharp. He counters very well. His ring IQ is solid. It's nice. And, you know, I'm not going to call him a one-trick pony, but Ryan Garcia just has, obviously, the quickness and the speed.

And that got him. That got him. He got great hand speed. That got him. That got him. That got him. That got him. That got him.

That got him. That got him. That got him. That got him. That got him. That got him. That got him. That got him.

That got him. And he set it up. So he caught him with the jab and blinded him and came right back with it. And he didn't even see it coming. But if you look at the first time, what did he do? If you remember the fight with Masvidal and Usman. Usman had his hand. Usman, boom.

Ryan Garcia did the same thing. Tap over the top of it. What he should have done. Because you remember that Brian Garcia started turning his back and ducking. Now you got to step around. Stop hitting me in the back.

Step around and come with your hook. Brian Garcia trying to do the Philly Shell. It ain't look right. It don't look right. He's not doing it the right way. No, no, no, no, no. You got, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, yeah.

Ain't a whole lot of fighters with the first guy he was nice with it listen sweet p whittaker look did the philly shell to perfection obviously mayweather does the philly shell to perfection and drawn in is when he wants to go in the shell and fight and fight off of that defensively or offensively but i mean three that mean others can do it i mean accepts you well and understanding you're doing it for a specific reason ryan was just doing it just to do it and really not really not throwing back right no no no the difference between the guys that you mentioned they didn't have the offensive arsenal that floyd has floyd can be a defensive fighter bam and at the same time, pull, bam.

Everything you throw, he can count over the top. His reflexes, his eyes, his ability to see punches. Anticipate what's coming every time. It's second to none. Oh, you throw the hook? Well, you're going to miss me with your hook and I'm going to catch you with mine.

Oh, you're going to throw the right? I'm going to pull and I'm going to boom. I'm going gonna catch you with mine oh you're gonna throw you're gonna throw it right yeah i'm a i you i'm a pool and i'm a boom i'm gonna catch you with mine his ability to see the punches are unbelievable but ryan garcia pulls off the huge upset he had he made weight he's been the new wbc super lightweight champion he beat devin haney i want to hear the scorecards because you know normally they read you the scorecards on a majority decision. That means somebody somebody. That's impossible. That's impossible. I mean, you

have to be a blind man to say anything because Devin Haney has to get knocked down three times. Hold on. It's only three judges. For you to have a majority decision and not a unanimous decision. That means somebody or it was a draw. You know what's funny?

Don't you still want to know the story? Don't you want to know the story? Looking at the ref, I was a little perplexed looking at the ref. It looked like the ref was trying to help Haney out a little bit. Now, I might be wrong. I might be tripping. But there were three knockdowns. To me, it might have been four or five.

I don't know what the rep was doing i don't know what he was looking at his leg i mean hey hey look when he clip hating first of all it takes a special type of person to get clipped and still come forward and he came take a minute to get yourself together too so you gotta you gotta hold on yeah but here's the thing to ocho he felt that power yeah he never felt power like that before so now all of a sudden i got a tread very cautious now it's preventing me from in between my punches because he might catch me slipping yeah but see the problem that he had is that he kept slipping and dodging the same thing yeah and at some point in time they're gonna time you up you mean uh uh marco antonio barrera no that was who he thought and pacquiao kept ducking low when he fought Pacquiao Pacquiao

if you notice every time Pacquiao he like to do same rhythm he catch the rhythm he catch the rhythm of your movement yeah

yes yes yes another guy Shane Mosley Shane Mosley does his hands like this before he throws a punch if you watch him

he always does this timing these let me look here and so like to a natural person like this before he throws a punch. If you watch him, he always does this. Timing. Look here. And so, like, to a natural person, unless you, like, you be around fighters and you be around trainers and they talk you through what he's doing and why

he's doing it. You have a better appreciation. Listen, the little small nuances that the average person can't see, that high the average person can see, that high ring IQ fighters can see, dude, that is nothing but a chess match. I'm sure casual fans think, oh, they just

in their thorn punch. They done pulled their hand back. By the time you see it, don't show your hand. It's different. It's a different ballgame in there. People think, oh, they just in their thorn punches. Everything is calculated. Everything is calculated. Everything is calculated. Everything.

Everything. Oh, yeah. Now, sometimes they gather the information. They want to see what you want to do. They gather information. Floyd make with me.

Yeah. Floyd said he doesn't watch his opponent. He trusts his trainers to watch the fighters and give him info, give him feedback. He said he don't watch his opponent. He trusts his trainers to watch the fighters and give him info, give him feedback. He said he don't watch the fights. So now, but give Ryan Garcia credit, but I wish he took it serious.

I wish he take it serious. Get the belts. Because, look, you need belts. Because, I mean, what are you fighting for? You want a legacy. You can't have no legacy without no belts, Hocho. I don't give a damn. Oh, he don't want no belts. Bullseye. Why are you fighting for? You want a legacy. You can't have no legacy without no belts. So I'll give a damn. Oh, he don't want no belts. Bull John, why are you getting this?

Why you if you do this, if you're a boxer, if you're an MMA, it's all about the titles. Yes, you want to win. But the titles give you more money. That's what, that's, you gotta, you get more money when you have a title or when you have titles. You think Floyd Mayweather

would be thought of if Floyd didn't have no belts. We would look at Floyd the same way. We would look at Sugar Ray. We would look at Duran. We would look at Roy Jones. We'd look at any of the greats

if they ain't got no belts. I mean, the belts, obviously, is what commands the money. Come on, they ain't got no belts. The belt's obviously what commands the money. Come on, man. It's what commands the money. But I mean, they got to fight. And now, you got to fight on that.

Now, you fight on my terms. Mayweather said, no, I ain't going nowhere. If you want to fight me, you come into Vegas. I ain't getting on no plane. Think about it. If I'm not mistaken, I think once he fought Arturo Gatti in Atlanta. I don't getting on no plane. Think about it. If I'm not mistaken, I think once he fought Arturo Gatti in Atlanta City, I don't think he left.

I don't think he left Vegas after that. Roy Jones. I remember Roy Jones. I was talking to Roy and Roy had like six or seven belts. And I think somebody with a Calzaghe had one belt. Somebody had like one belt,

but he wanted him to take his six or seven belts and come overseas to fight him for the one belt. Somebody had like one belt, but he wanted him to take his six or seven belt and come overseas to fight him for the one belt. What the hell? Oh, no. So y'all get me over there and pin whip me? Oh, absolutely. I mean, obviously they have a rematch coming, right? Absolutely not. I mean,

do you really want to see a rematch, Ocho? We got to give him a rematch. I mean, Ocho, sometimes. Ocho. I know Ryan Garcia. Ocho, sometimes somebody whip you. He going to say, no, I don't want to fight Devin Haney.

I want, I want a rematch with Tank. Oh, that's right. Tank at 135. He don't want to go down to 135. But I don't believe he can beat Tank at one point who's next for Garcia to fight then

Shakur Shakur what I don't think he don't want none of that that's a different ball game he does not want to fight Shakur that's a different ball game. Yeah. He does not want to fight Shakur. That's a different ball game. But because here's the thing.

And when we talk, remember we talked about this the other night with Mayweather. Mayweather really never had to lose, but like walk around. He's walking around weight. Right. Yeah. He's like 152 walk around so he go down to 147 he's great

he fighting at 154 he's at 152 so he's having to eat a lot of calories just to get to the 54 at what middle junior middleweight so but when you want to eat big guys and you got to come all the way down you walking around at 165

and got to come down to one to 140 yeah you're gonna be drained and if they put a clause in there that won't let you uh uh over refuel yeah you're gonna be depleted oh that was good tonight man it was just weird seeing haney go down, man. It was weird seeing him go down. And I hate the comparison. I know people are going to make fun of me saying, why are you comparing him to Mike Tyson? Why are you comparing him to Roy?

I'm just saying the moment, the moment of just seeing him go down after never seeing him to go down like that and actually get hit like that. I've never seen him take that kind of punishment. It just looked weird. Right. Yeah.

Hold on. 112, okay. 112. One judge had it a draw. 112, 112. Yeah. Because that's how you get a... That's the only way you can get a majority decision. Or else it would have been UD. It would have been a unanimous decision. So because it was

unanimous, I knew somebody either had it a draw or had. You see, you see how he win it. That's the only way you get a majority decision. Now I see why the ref was doing what he was doing. I mean, I'm going to help you out. I'm going to help you out as much as possible. There was only so much he could do, though. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. One judge had to fight 112-112. But Ryan Garcia beats Devin Haney. He does not get the belt because he didn't make weight. He ends up having to give Devin Haney $1.5 million because he bet that every pound he was overweight, he'd give him $500,000. I don't know if that was just gamesmanship or what. He ain't giving up. No, you don't want my ass. Pay me my moneymanship or what? He ain't giving up. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Time out, time out, time out. Speaking of paying money. Right. You owe me $500 now. I ain't know what happened. What happened? Hey, listen, money out of psych can cause a fight. Now, you made a bet.

Chat, please remind him about his bet. You said the Bulls was going to beat the Heat. Go get... Yeah. Go get... Yeah. Go get your money from Zach Wilson. What happened? Yeah, the what I mean. I don't understand what you mean.

You... I don't know what... You don't speak English, huh? You don't... You don't speak English. You don't speak English, huh? You don't speak English. You don't speak Ebonics. You don't speak slang. You don't speak hood. What does that person have to do with the bet that we just made last weekend?

And you said the Bulls is going to be the Heat. The money that we bet. Zach Wilson not turning the ball over. Zach Wilson doing this. I don't know. Chad, pull it up. Oh, now you were niggering on your best.

OK, OK. No, I don't really know. We get it back. I get it back. You even though even though you pay me my money. I don't remember how much

was it? I'm just saying I'm sure it was a hundred dollars. We'll pull it. We'll find it. $100 we'll find it hey Chad find it you sure I bet on Zach Wilson that's my guy I don't recall making any bets during football season yeah

yeah oh and that Kadarius Tony remember Kadarius Tony wasn't going to have no more drops? Oh, I bet he won't. Not only did he have a drop, next game. No, we didn't. We didn't bet on it. I just said. Oh, yes, we battled that. Oh, absolutely. Oh, absolutely. Oh, absolutely. Kadarius Tony from Florida. You see, that's how I get you. I know you're going to bet all things, Florida. Nah, I don't.

You can't help it. Nah, I don't. I'm just being honest. Yeah. Chad, y'all better tell it. Huh? It was 200 for Tony. How much for Zach Wilson?

I think it was another 200. I need that 100. There you go, 400. So I owe you 100. Huh. I'll tell you what I'm going to do. There you go, $400. So I owe you $100. Huh. I'll tell you what I'm going to do. How about this, Ocho? Can you put that $100 on a running account?

If I don't run up and pay you, don't you run your ass up and ask me for it. Hell no. Hey, that's a good one. That's a good one. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core.

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Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask... I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details

of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra

on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Alright, Uncle Joe, check this out. The Nuggets beat the Lakers 114-103. The Lakers three-point shooting tonight. LeBron James was three of five, 60%. The rest of the team was five of 24, 20%. Woo, Nikola Jokic was Nikola Jokic,

and he's going to show you why he's going to be the MVP. 32 points, 12 rebounds, seven assists, zero turnovers on 15 of 23 shooting, and it's the Nuggets' fifth straight win over the Lakers. Playoff win over the Lakers. Jokic and Murray combined for 17 assists and no turnovers. Jamal Murray has the highest increase in points per game all time in the regular season the post season a plus seven and a half yo uh Jamal Murray he at his career average is 17.5 in the post

season is 25 Nikola Jokic normally averages 20.9 but he averages 27.5 in the regular season yes sir oh so I'm watching this game and the game to the half, and you can go check my tweet. I knew the Lakers were in trouble because Anthony Davis and LeBron James are having the game of their lives. They're 14-21 at the half, combined shooting. LeBron is 3-3 from the three-point line. Oh, yeah. And they're up three points.

Yeah. So your big guns are going up. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah. And you're up three. They can't play any better. And Gil and I was on.

We got to make it a three on three. You got to make it a D-low, a Rui, and an Austin Reeves versus Aaron Gordon. Yeah. Uh, Michael Porter, Jr.

And KCP. If you go look at the box score tonight, there are three. We need outplayed out three. And that's, that's the only way because LeBron James and ad got a cancel. My ad had, I think ad had what?

34, 15 and like six or seven assists let me pull up right here because AD held it on I was very very excited watching AD play he played

extremely well I don't like look I understand the Lakers like hey we don't want AD. We need AD. But at some point in time, you can't give Yoke the exact same look all the time and have Rui on him. AD had...

AD was 32-14-5 with four blocks. LeBron was 27-8 with one block, one steal, and six rebounds. So one block, one steal, and 6 rebounds. So 27 points, 8 assists, 6 rebounds. He was really, really careless with the basketball. He had 7 of their 12 turnovers.

So Yoke had 32 points, 12 rebounds, 7 assists, and Jamar Murray had 22 points, 10 assists, and six rebounds. So the big two for both teams, they canceled each other out. Let's just say they canceled each other out. But Austin Reeves had 13. D-Lo had 13, but he was one for nine. He was shooting bad from three.

He was shooting bad. He had 13 points on 20 shots. Rui didn't play bad. Rui just didn't get enough shots. Rui, Rui, Rui didn't play bad. Rui just didn't get enough shots. Rui got to shoot the ball more. He had four shots. Four shot attempts. And you got KCP had 12 points.

You got Aaron Gordon had 12 points with 11 rebounds. And you had Michael Porter Jr. I think D'Angelo probably won't have another game like that. I think as a shooter, you keep on shooting, but obviously you have to know when to stop.

If you want for nine from three and it's not falling, then obviously you need to change to the mid-range game and start trying to drive to the basket and create fouls and maybe get to the line a little bit and get your points that way and try to find yourself in a rhythm as far as shooting the ball is concerned. When I think about it, Austin Reeves has to has to play better.

I mean, as well. And you said, Rui, Rui, does Rui have the green light to be able to take the amount of shots you think he should? That that's the whole thing. Certain people are reluctant to just go out there and just shoot just to be shooting. More so shooting when they're actually open. does he have the green light to do that he has the ability to shoot more than four thousand but you know what i mean you know what i mean you know what i mean though right there's certain players that have the green light to shoot it will probably 20 shots probably no prop 20 shots probably no but a lot of his shots a lot of his shots are coming their guys are feeding him okay i mean uh yeah he gets the mismatch yeah he can post up a jamal murray he gets a kcp or he gets a smaller guy yeah he can vote but more times than not it's

off a feed uh something like that i don't know if it really plays a factor obviously when you play in denver what when it comes to football, outside altitude. But would you be indoors? Do you think altitude played any type of factor for the Lakers at all? But you're indoors. I'm not sure how that works. No, no, no. It's still 5,280 feet above sea level.

So it is still a mile high. I just think the thing is, obviously, the pressure is the playoffs. So there's a different type of anxiety to it. And you know when you're pumped up, your heart beats a little faster. You get tired more rapidly, quicker. So it's... I just don't know. This is the fifth time I've watched him in the playoffs. I'm just not so sure

because I think there's a greater chance D'Lo has another game like he had tonight as opposed to Murray having another game like he had. Murray was 9-24. What's the likelihood of him going down to 24 games every yo's gonna be yo yo's gonna do what he does but see my problem is with

ham is that he's giving him a steady diet of the same thing okay rule you got him for about five or six plays okay uh uh uh ad you got him five or six trips down a court. LeBron, if you give any great player a steady diet of anything, it's like a human getting a steady diet of antibiotics. It's going to build up a resistance to it. And then all of a sudden it's going to be no good. And you see what happens. He started getting into his rhythm. And now you got your hands full.

Now you at his mercy because he's stronger than you think. He doesn't have muscle tone. He's not carved like a Carmelo or Dwight Howard or Ben Wallace. But look when he puts that shoulder in people's chest, how he dislodges them from that spot. It doesn't

matter if it's Roy, if it's AD, if it's LeBron and LeBron ain't no small man and he's not a weak man, but he moved him like it's nothing. And you know, you're reluctant because he's such a great pass. He's seven foot tall and he's going to be able to beam the ball craft cross

court, define Michael Porter jr. Or KCP or one of those shooters spotting up, but you got to roll your dot. You got to roll. So who do you trust? KCP. I think KCP made all his,

all his threes in the third. Cause he, he was, he was, he wasn't very good in the first half. And then the second, they broke, broke the game open.

But if you watch this game closely, if you notice something about the nugget, when they go on their runs, they don't let you off the hook by turning the ball over. Like the Lakers did see the Lakers got on run. And all of a sudden they start turning the ball over like the Lakers did. See, the Lakers got on a run, and all of a sudden, they start turning the ball over. And so what was a 10 or 11, 12-point lead

that possibly could have got to 16, 17, maybe even 18, now they turn the ball over like three times in a row, and a 12-point lead all of a sudden is down to five. Remember what we talked about in the Super Bowl. Ocho, when you get the momentum, how much separation can you put? Because like you said, you know NBA teams, they're going to go on the run too. So you just want it to be, because think about it.

They were down. They went from down one to up 14. Like that. That's what the Nuggets did to the Lakers. Just like that. But I don't know. I just don't know. I've seen AD the first game last year have a monster game, and they lost.

LeBron, the last game when they got swept, he had 40, and they lost. LeBron and AD played well together, and they lost. The supporting cast has to play better. D-Lo has to play better. Austin Reeves has to play better. And Rui and some of the other supporting cast and players coming off the bench, somebody got to give them the confidence or the green light. It's okay to shoot the ball.

It's okay. You got to pull it. You got to pull it. Because, listen, it was a seven-game series, right? You're already down one. Just let it go. Yeah. They have 30 home.

I mean, the series doesn't start until somebody wins on the opposing team's court but the problem is is that he's a good offensive player yeah but he's his foot right he is because you know they're gonna put you in the pick and roll and you gotta fight hard and you know it's it's just murray i mean murray ain't no easy task but when you in the western conference ain't none of the guards in the west easy task because you got shay and you got steph and you got uh d fox and you got luca and you got kairi so you ain't got no easy wins and you dealing with hard although hard is not what he once was he's still crafty he's still shifting he still can get it done so there are no ease there's no like man i

got a night off no you don't that's crazy no you don't and so it's it's gonna it's gonna be uh yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be a tough one it going to be a tough one. It's going to be a tough one. It's going to be tough. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen.

Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency.

Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask... I'm Leon Nafak, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation

nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Knicks beat the Sixers 111-104. Joel Embiid threw it up the glass.

He slammed it down and he had a little scare. The left knee causing Joel, he missed 29 games with that knee. The Sixers outscored the Knicks by 14 when Embiid was on the court, but they were outscored by 21 when he wasn't. This was another game, but it came down to Josh Hart. All the big shots down the stretch, Josh Hart made them. He made every three. He got every time they rebound.

You know, I was on there. They asked me, I said, man, most of the time, a lot of games, Jalen Brunson, he's not an efficient player. Oh, look at this. Hey, Chad, where did Jalen Brunson shoot from the floor? 8 of 26. He had 22 points on 26 shots. This is not the Jalen Brunson you're going to get every night. He's very, he's, yeah.

I'm saying, he's under 50%. Tonight, he's under 50% shooting. For the season, he's under 50%. He's going to give you points. And if, you know, the Knicks are in the playoffs because of Jalen Brunson in this play. Even though he's under 50%. I'm not saying that he isn't, but two things can be true.

Ocho. Two things. So let me get this right. That's like me saying, man, Ocho have 170 yards. He had 20 catches. He should have had 170 yards. I can't even talk. I can't even say anything negative about Jalen Brunson or the Knicks.

Obviously. But they are in the playoffs because of him. He takes a lot of shots. He scores a lot of points. He makes a lot of plays. He facilitates the ball very well. And I guarantee you, he won't have another game like he had today. I'm not going to say he's not because they have a lint that can bother him.

Tobias Harris, six, eight. Yeah. Uh, Kelly Oubre, six, six,

six, seven. Uh, Kyle Lowry is tenacious, although he probably have better against Kyle because Kyle is a little small. So small on small, you like Jalen Brunson in that situation. And then you send him to your

help and you got uh joel and b back there to really make things even more difficult for him but jaylen brunson is going to be an all nba player probably the second team i don't think he's not going to nudge out first shay or luca for first team but i think he's going to be the second team and rightfully so i think he aver averaged, what, 28 points this season? Had one of the last, the third best 10-game stretch since 1980. Had almost 380 points. Only Kobe and Jordan scored more over the last 10 games of a regular season.

So Jalen Brunson is going to be Jalen Brunson. You just try to neutralize him but here's the thing though oh joe is that you got him to shoot eight for 26 that's the game you gotta steal because like you said you can probably not go with him playing that way i'm sure i'm sure based on who he is based on how he's played all season long even though you're saying he's shooting under 50 he's gonna come back and if he went nine if he went nine for 26 you're saying he's shooting under 50%, he's going to come back. If he went 9 for 26, I'm sure he's going to clean up. He's going to be shooting a higher percentage

in the next game. Yeah. Yeah. You just got to make him work. If you're making shots over here, if you're making contested shots, I'll straight up. What can you do about that, Ocho? Man, you see Ocho with that one? Bro, I can't play no better defense. The man one. They run. Yeah. What do you do about that? Oh, Joe, man. Hey, you can't man.

You see, oh, Joe, what I can't play no better defense. The man one hand called it broke. Come on now. The dude high pointed ball in the middle of the field

with three guys on him, bro. What you want me to do? I can't play no better defense than that. But where they lost the game where the Sixers lost the game, they were out rebounding by 22.

You can't get out rebounding like you can't got because, you know, Josh Hart's going to crash the board. He's one of those guys. He's going to he's a hustle player. He's going to crash the board and he can make timely shots which he did, but

his biggest asset is his hustle his ability to track down loose balls and he gave the Knicks a couple of extra possessions that they ended up scoring. But who would have thought that the Knicks would out-rebound them by 22? Now, you know Joel Embiid is not going to be able to. He's not going to be able to.

He's not as mobile as he was. He's got that bulky knee brace. So, Tobias. Tobias did good. He had nine. Nine rebounds. What Maxie finished with? Yeah, Maxie going to have to carry the bulk of the load.

He going to have to put the sixes on his shoulders. I mean, the best way he can. Because Embiid can only do so much with a bad knee, especially at that height, especially at that size. What we're used to seeing from him, he's really not going to be able to be as effective as he wants to, even though it's playoff time. If anything,

I listen, I don't think I'm allowed to say it on here, but there's something that we used to take when we were injured a little bit that allowed us to play an effective game where we couldn't feel nothing. And I'm not sure if they had the T word, you know? Yeah. I'm no,

I can say that you do a tour at all. Do they have that in the NBA? Oh yeah. They got it. Oh, okay. Well, know, yeah, I'm no, I can say that you do a tour at all. Do they have that in the NBA? Oh yeah, they got it. Oh, okay. Well, well,

well, listen, man, and do what you need to do. The Knicks had 23 offensive rebounds. I don't know if it 23. I'll rebound offensive rebound 23 to nine. That'd be interesting.

How many second-chance points did they have? Can we see that? Hold on. They had to have a commanding lead with that. 23 offensive rebounds. That's crazy. 23 offensive rebounds. Think about the points you scored off of those 26 rebounds that's crazy think about how many

the points you scored off of those 26 off of those 23 they got 26 you gonna win the game every time 26 second chance points huh you gonna win the game every time

so plus 18 yep so the game every time. So plus 18. Yep. Yep. Yep. So Nick's whole serve at home on a night in which Jalen Brunson did not shoot the ball particularly well. Normally

guys like Jalen Brunson when they don't shoot well game one, they come back and light your ass up in game two. Sixers, you better be on your best behavior. You better be on your best behavior. You better be on your best behavior. The T-Wolves beat the Suns 120-95 with 47.7 seconds remaining in the third quarter.

Ant drifted to the left wing, shot a shot over Trey, shot a Trey over Kevin Durant, looked at him because he said that's his favorite player. They had a fun moment together, and Ant-Man spoke about this after the game. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. The little back and forth with Kevin Durant there in the third quarter.

How fun is that? And what do you make of the atmosphere tonight? I think everybody here knows that's my favorite player of all time. So that was probably one of the best feelings ever in my whole life, for sure. That's dope. That's live. That's live. It is.

I mean, if you look give people that you actually, that has to be one of the greatest feelings of all time. And then to come out there, to have a good game, to hit a shot like that on the person you look up to. And listen, I think this is one of these moments. I think at one point in time when Zion was coming out,

I think they were trying to make Zion the face of the NFL. I mean, I'm talking about NFL. I think they were trying to make Zion the face of the NFL. I mean, I'm talking about NFL. I thought they were trying to make Zion the next LeBron James, the face of the NBA. I could be wrong. I just want to know what you think about Anthony Edwards being next in line as the face of the league. Well, who's the first guy to win the championship? Because you got to win. You're going to have to win.

He's doing that. This is the second year of the playoffs. So you're going to have to win. Jason Taylor said, Hey, I want to play. I want deals. And man,

clearly now, the thing is with him, he has the personality. He's had the charisma. He has the charm. He knows how to talk uh job right he gets he gets his situation resolved he gets his head on straight the league is gonna look right ain't nobody gonna be the face of the league until lebron

okay yeah you're right you're right i see what you mean i see what you mean but he just looks like he's poised to be next man he looks like he's poised to be next, man. He looks like he's poised to be next. And then when you watch his game, chat, tell me I'm not lying. Tell me I'm not lying. If Anthony Edwards' movements, his mannerisms do not remind you of 23

that played for Chicago. I'm not saying he's Michael Jordan. I'm just saying his movement, his mannerisms are exactly the same. Exactly. Yeah. Man, but you look at these guys, if you look

at Jordan when he got early. You don't realize how thin he was. He was low. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I say, man, damn, Jordan like a stick figure. Mm-hmm. But, man, you talk about athleticism, and he messed around and got with a Tim Grover?

Yeah. It was good that I ring. It was good that I ring it was good that I read and that he got Jordan was not a super athletic he was not a great shooter he turned himself into that you don't think he was a good shooter? he turned himself into that mid range shot

not when he came out he got better he turned himself into what he saw that turned out to be the money shot. That mid-range. That pull-up. He get going and did pull-up. Yeah.

And the fall away, you see Kobe. You see guys have added that to their repertoire. Now, Dirk came in and started with the one leg. You see a lot of guys. You see Kevin Durant. You see LeBron. Can't even defend. Sam Foote shooting it up here.

Hey, but this is going to be a fun series. Look, I don't really take too much out of the first because the home team, I mean, obviously we'd have a different story if one of the road teams win. We have something different to talk about, but they hell serve at home. You think, okay, there's a reason why we wanted home court. We hell serve at home.

Let's make sure we get two of these and then we go on the road and see what happens. Try to get one there, but the team got to. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from

our audience is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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