Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Schottenheimer official, Raiders hire Carroll, Ocho wingman

Episode Date: January 26, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Dallas Cowboys officially hiring Brian Schottenheimer as their new head coach. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Pete Carroll being the oldest person ever to serve as head coach in an NFL game as he reaches an agreement with the Las Vegas Raiders, Ocho tries to hook Unc up with one of Sharelle Rosado’s friends on Netflix’s Wags to Riches and much more!04:00 - Show start06:48 - Cowboys new HC28:31 - Pete Carroll to Raiders41:23 - WAGs - Ocho setting Unc up52:00 - Snyder hates Commanders success(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now, remember the reports that came out. Jerry really liked Deion and Steven really wanted Brian Shaw. And he really, he really wanted, Jerry really liked Coach Prime, but Steven, they were really button heads. And I came over and said,

Ocho, that's a bull jive. Smoking beer. I didn't know it was a bull jive, but it was just something to smoke screen. Hey, we talked to Coach Prime.

That's our minority. That's our one token. Boom. We good with that. The Cowboys, notably, they didn't interview any of the top candidates. The Ben Johnson, Cliff Kingsbury couldn't talk because he was going week to week, so you could only talk if you were in the bye week. So Nagy, Spagnola, Aaron G, Aaron Glenn, none of the top candidates were interviewed by Jerry.

Yeah. Ryan Schottenheimer. Again, my only problem with you, I don't have a problem, chat. I don't want anybody to think that I have a problem with the hire. But don't give me this bull j if you want somebody that called plays. Mike McCarthy called plays. You see? Yeah.

We want somebody with previous head coaching experience. We want somebody that called plays. Brian Schottenheimer has never been a head coach. He didn't call plays. That's neither here nor there. Ocho, what do you think about the hire? I mean, obviously, Jerry wants to continue his reign with power he doesn't want to relinquish that power

he wants to be in control of everything and he hired a coach that will fall in line with just that and bring what else Ocho not to cut you off bring Jason Witten on oh yeah most definitely. Most definitely.

So again, Jerry getting in the way again, doing things his way, and the definition of insanity. Chat, you stay with me now. The definition of insanity is doing things over and over and over in a way you see fit and expecting different results.

The results have been the same for years, for years, and you continuously do it. Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, now Mr. Schottenheimer. Nothing is going to change until you remove yourself and get out the way and allow people to do their job. Not to try to do multiple things at once. Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Wade Phillips,

Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, now Brian Schottenheimer, all of them. Nothing's changed. It's just different names, but nothing's changed. Any of the people

that you just called, were any of them challenging you? Hell no! To my point, exactly. And you let him feel your staff. And you let him like, well, I want this guy to be on your defensive staff. I want this guy to be on your offensive staff.

No coach is going to do that. No, no, they're not going to do that. It's one thing, Ocho. Yes, sir. I go to a a company and I'm looking around I'm going to give them an opportunity that don't mean I'm going to keep them right if I like what I hear I'll keep them but I'm not going to let you tell me what you got to keep this VP or you got to keep this CFO or you got to keep this seal. No, hell nah, that ain't happening. Yeah. But another thing, Ocho,

not one of the team attempted to interview Brian Schottenheimer. Now, all I want to know is this, look, I will get me somebody, somebody else won't. Cause if, if don't nobody else wanted that,

so you tried to tell me something I don't know. Well, you got to think about it now. Look at the elephant in the room. Now, the coaches that were available, we talk about good coaches, and also the coaches that were also available that could have come to Dallas, that could have interviewed in Dallas, wouldn't go for the shenanigans. No. You think Ben Johnson's going to

stand down, you're going to tell Ben Johnson who we can bring on and who we care? Aaron Glenn, I mean, obviously, he wouldn't get the job. Anyway, you think Aaron Johnson's going to stand down and you're going to tell Ben Johnson who we can bring on and who we can't? Mm-mm. Aaron Glenn? I mean, obviously, he wouldn't get the job. Anyway, you think Aaron Glenn ain't going to come to Dallas? No. You're going to tell Aaron Glenn what type of staff he can put together?

But people believe he can work with Coach Belichick. Can you imagine him telling Coach Belichick, hey, I want Jason Witten to come on and he's going to be your coach at waiting? Man, Belichick will tear 10, Jerry's world down. Absolutely not. You have to get out of your own way. You have to. You don't have a choice. He's been an offensive coordinator before.

He's with the Jets for three years. His highest points per game, they were 13th. He's been an offensive coordinator before. He's with the Jets for three years. His highest points per game, they were 13th. He called for St. Louis. The highest points per game was 21st. He also called in Seattle. His highest points per game was 6th. In 2018, he had three top 10 offenses as far as points. He averaged 28.7, 25.3, 26.8.

And then that ended. And this was his first four-way back as being a coordinator, correct? Okay. So he's been a coordinator. He's been a coordinator for 11 years. Had some success. Orchestrated been a coordinator for 11 years. Has some success. Orchestrated three top 10 offenses in Seattle. None

in the top 20 in St. Louis and none in the top 10 at the Jets. He's with the Jets. But he wasn't the coordinator, though, was he? He was? Okay.

So he was there with Rex. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So we know those offenses back then, Ochoa, was run the football, play behind your defense.

It was more ground and pound. But his most success, it came in Seattle. He did have great success in Seattle with Russ. 16 points per game, 9th in points per game, 8th in points per game. That's a pretty good resume. But we know why he got the job. It's because Jerry wants someone that he can control. It's really that simple.

There's no other. I'm not going to make it a black-white issue because I don't believe it's a black white issue. It's a control issue. Yes. Jerry wants control. Jerry wants control because Jerry wants credit. None of the blame, but the control because this thing fell apart. I can't believe this happened. I'm shocked. Is anybody? No, you're not shocked. Is anybody? You put this together. You should be the least shocked that it fell apart. Right. But like you said, I mean, you do what you've done.

You get what you've always gotten. It's hard for me to believe I can be in a scenario. At some point in time, I'm going to change something. Right. If I do, if I get the same results for 30 years and my objective, but Jerry's a promoter. Jerry's not trying to win.

Jerry's not fooling me. He might fool some of the fans in Dallas. And I think for the most part, they've even caught on. Jerry's all about selling. Jerry looks at it like anytime they're talking about me, that's good enough. We don't need to talk. They don't need to talk about me winning championships.

They don't need to talk about me being that. They're talking about me. So I'm in the news. That's good enough for him. Right. And I don't see it changing. They bring back the same, if you look at guys leave Dallas

and play well. Look at now Neville Gallimore. He went to the Rams. Yeah. Ball out. I'm just saying they make a trade for a guy Carolina they give a

fourth round draft pick and the guy had how many catches he might have had four catches the rest of the year you mean yes

yeah obviously man listen I don't know what Jerry is doing I can't question I've been around football for a very long time.

Obviously, not as long as you have and not as long as he has. He's an owner. He's a GM. Hell, he's every goddamn thing. He is. You just think his way always works. And the fact that he wants credit is just beyond me. You know, when you can look at the landscape of the NFL with all the owners that consistently win, all the other franchises where they win consistently, you know, the Packers, the Bills, the Chiefs, the Steelers.

I mean, teams that have a rich history in winning, you know, the Packers. Well, everybody's going to the championship since he's been. You don't see any of the owners front and center making decisions, you know, pigeonholing head coaches, not allowing them to pick their staff, people that they work well with. I mean, all that matters. All that matters. And the fact that control and credit is what he wants is ridiculous. And if you know, Jerry has Jerry has probably let's just say for the sake of it, let's just be safe.

He on 10 other businesses. How many of those businesses do you think he has on? None, because he doesn't know. But yet he thinks he knows football well he's been around football the longest so he he feels like he knows it yeah i i've been around a plow it doesn't make me a tractor what the hell you talking about just cause you around something hey as a matter of fact oh jo, I'm sleeping in my garage tonight. That don't make me a car.

Yeah, that's a good one. I got you. I'm just trying to figure out what makes him think he knows just because you're around something. Yeah. Hell, Ocho,

if somebody going to give me all the, if somebody going to give me the scouting report, I can read off what they wrote down. Right. You'll think Jerry going to the senior bowl and out there looking

at Scott got his notepad like, okay, guy got great pad level, drops his hip, great transition, change of direction. Oh, he bends the edge really well. I like the way he button press. Yeah, he don't know. Hell no! Not detailed and sharp like that.

Hell no! But there are guys that do. Yeah. What's the guy named that runs the Cowboys? Will McClay. Will McClay. He knows. Yeah.

He writes the notes, gives them to Jerry, and they have a little selection, okay? Okay, and who do we think is going to be available when we select, at the time we select? They give them a list of names. Everybody have their thing. Well, Jerry, this is what we need. Okay, Jerry, this is what we need.

Bro, Michael Parsons fell in your lap. You didn't do nothing. The CD fell in your lap. Right. Come on, bro. That ain't nothing. They fell to you. Right. They had an agreement. That ain't nothing. They fell to you. Right.

They had an agreement. Devontae Smith. The Eagles wanted Devontae Smith. They was like, hey, we'll trade up. Just don't bother him. We'll let y'all trade. Okay, fine.

Just don't select Parsons. Or y'all not going to select Parsons. You're going to take Devontae, right? Okay, boom. See, they fell in their lap. Mm-hmm. All the other receivers were gone so who are they going to pick they need a receiver

Jenna was gone Judy was gone Rose was gone Waddle was gone wow he really went out on a limb and got CD I need a receiver he's the last one left oh no my bad

no yeah cause Jalen Regal went before CD. Yeah, because Riker went to Philly, right? Philly, yes. So, Ocho, that ain't nothing. If a guy just fall in your lap, no, you want to impress me, do what Kansas City did. Zoom up the draft board and go get somebody.

Mm-hmm. That's what's impressive. That lets me know, okay, they know what they're doing. They didn't do that. So I just don't get it. Mingo has 17 catches for 167 yards all year. He had five catches for 64 yards when he arrived in Dallas, and he played eight games.

Played nine for Carolina. And they traded a fourth-round pick for him, right? Fourth or fifth. Traded a fourth-round pick for that kind of production. He doesn't know what he's doing, Al. Yes. He does, but there's no way he does. It's,

it's not, you know, it's, it's almost, it's, it's, it's, let's see.

Hold on. Did Justin Jefferson go before or after CD? He went 22nd. Oh, so you saw when you went CD and Justin Jefferson went 22nd. Check the numbers out. Right. Look at the numbers between the two.

But he know football. Yeah. Not that CD is a bad, because CD is a number one receiver. Oh, yeah, absolutely. But I don't know very many people that's taking CD over Jetta. Mm-hmm. I mean, listen. Maybe Cowboy fans, but I'm talking about if you pull GMs,

you pull all 32 GMs and says, okay, you got Jeddah or you got CD. Because right now, people are going to take Chase and Jeddah. They want two. Both of those guys were unanimous first-team All-Pros. There weren't a whole lot of unanimous first-team All-Pros, but those two guys was two of them. And Jeremy had been an All-Pro every year, except what, last year, he got nicked.

He went over 1,000 on choice, missed like seven games. Can you imagine what his numbers would have been? Ain't nobody close to him. His first three years, his first four years, his first five years. Nobody's close to those numbers. Now, with the season that Chase had, Chase might have an opportunity to get him, but he's

going to probably need another $1,400, $1,500, which is possible, which is quarterback in that system. But Jerry don't know what he's doing, man. And like I said, I don't got no problem with Brian Schottenheimer. I'm just saying this notion that he's scouring and he's trying to get the best man for the job, I don't got no problem with Brian Schottenheimer. I'm just saying this notion that he's scouring

and he's trying to get the best man for the job. I don't believe he's doing that. I don't believe he's ever done that. He's not going to get a Cowboy fan. Jerry is not going to get anybody that's going to offer him some resistance. Brian, let me tell you what Brian Schottenheimer doesn't have. Any say on the final 53.

Any say in free agency. Any say on the final 53. Any say in free agency. Any say in the draft. And all those are things that a head coach should have some type of say or control over. Just basically almost like, I guess, if they still have arranged marriages. Hold on, I'm the one that got to be with this lady. You try to tell me what I want. I on. I'm the one that got to be with this lady. I need to know. You try to tell me what I want. Right.

I know what I want. Jerry is, this is an arranged marriage. Jerry is telling you, he's picking players, telling you what you need as opposed to what you want or what would best or what would fit best to the system. Right. Now is them coming back?

I mean, I had the, as far as I know? See? That's another thing. What if Brian Schottenheimer were to hire his own DC? Hmm.

No, that's crazy. I mean, listen, it's crazy the way things have run. Obviously, Jerry has the power. We understand that. He's going to exercise that right and that power at every turn and every chance he gets every chance at every turn terry gets he's he's killing his he's killing his own franchise he's killing his own team he and he

doesn't he he does he just doesn't get it and i look here. It's hard to say CDA top five. Oh, he's top five. Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, one, two, one, two. I think you and I are in agreement. One, two, Jetta Chase. Chase Jetta. It goes year to year.

Last year, it was Jetta. I mean, last two years. But the first couple years, it was Jetta. Chase has been gangbusters. Triple crown. What? Triple crown? I mean, this was a Jetta chase. It's been gangbusters, triple crown. Um, what triple crown? I mean, this was a chase third year.

So it's not very many guys to get an opportunity to win the triple crown. So soon. Right. Um, Smitty wanted in 2005. So that was close to it. Cause Smitty came in and Oh, one,

one, two, three, four, five. So it's fifth year. My brother won the triple crown. He came in at 88. So it was fifth year. Jerry came in and, and, three, four, five. So it's fifth year. My brother won the Triple Crown. He came in at 88.

So it's fifth year. Jerry came in in 85. He won the Triple Crown in 90 in his sixth year. Cooper Cup. What year was Cooper Cup when he won the Triple Crown? Could have been no more than three. It was 2020, 2021. It was 2021, I think.

Yeah, 2021 if I'm not mistaken. When was Cup drafted? 19? 19. 2021, I think. Yeah, 2021, if I'm not mistaken. Women's Cup draft in 19? 2017. So, okay. So, five years. So, that,

I mean, so about to add, you know, about six, somewhere between four and six years is when guys normally win the Triple Crown. Right. And CD, excuse me, not CD, Chase, one of the quickest. between four and six years is when guys normally win the triple crown. Right. And C.D. Oh, not C.D., excuse me.

Not C.D. Chase, one of the quickest. Third year. Fourth, it's fourth year, right? What was the third year for him? Third, this is his third year. No, one, two, three, four. It's fourth year.

This is his fourth season because he's drafted in 21, remember? Chase. Yeah, two years left on his deal. So it would have been his third year. No, he won it in his third year. No, he would have done the contract after his third year.

He played this year. Okay, I see, I see, I see. Yeah, because you got to count a lot of times when you get confused, don't you, is that people don't count the year he drafted. He played that year. Yeah, I'm sure. He drafted I see. Yeah, because you got to count, a lot of times when you get confused, don't you, is that people don't count the year you drafted. He played that year. Yeah, I'm tripping.

He drafted in 21. He played in 21. Right, you're right. I'm tripping, I'm tripping. So that's why, you know, you see 1990 to 99, that's 10 years. A lot of times people will say

from 90 to 2000. No, that's 11 years. So that's about the timeframe, somewhere between four and six years. Guys, so Chase is just now entering his prime. So you're going to see big time production as long as, and we saw even when what you call him got hurt last year, two years ago, excuse me, Burrow, he still put up those numbers.

Yeah, most definitely. He him. And that's what I'm saying. When you got a guy, Ocho, and I don't have to alter most definitely. He him. And that's what I'm seeing. When you got a guy, Ocho, and I don't have to alter anything, he's him. I ain't got to stack him.

I ain't got to bunch him. I ain't got to put him in motion. I can just call a play and say, son, go get open. I can put him in the slot. I can put him out wide. Yes, I can put him in motion. Yes, I can stack him. He can run shallow.

He can run deep. He got intermediate. He's great after the catch. He can high him in motion. Yes, I can stack him. He can run shallow. He can run deep. He got intermediate. He's great after the catch. He can high point the ball. Everything. What am I going to complain about? He complete. Everything.

You know what's funny? Maybe it's a handful of receivers that can do that now. Only a handful of them, though, Joe. I'm talking about only a handful. They literally are a handful. You know? People in the chat might not understand what you mean. Listen.

Take a five-yard route and turn it to an 80-yard spectacular. Man, every time. You mess around and take a bad angle. Mess around and miss a tackle. Oh, Joe? There's some receivers that make coaching, coaching job easy. You're right.

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He turns 74 in September. The previous record was held by Romeo Cornell, who was 73 when he served as interim head coach of the Houston Texans. Ocho, do you like this move? I mean, it's Pete Carroll. I like Pete Carroll. Pete's resume, you know, it speaks for itself, what he's done. He's a Super Bowl winning head coach. Again, when I look at what he has to work with over and in in Las Vegas I'm not sure why he would want to maybe he he

knows something we don't know maybe he knows something you know he asked someone 32 what you talking about what he want and with 32 of those jobs oh yeah I know but still I mean just just going to take a job knowing that your lease is going to be short, knowing that you don't have the most important position on your team, on that team, that matters. You have to compete and contend in that. Do you know what conference division he's in? Yes.

AFC West. AFC West. Kansas City. Broncos. Chargers. All of them got quarterbacks. Everybody got quarterbacks everybody got quarterbacks for the next decade

except who the Raiders exactly so I'm not sure that he got to be thinking about some he must be cooking up something with Mark Davis

I don't know maybe let me ask you this and Chad y'all can help me you'll understand you 70 years old this 32 year old thing

she nice got long hair she got ooh skin ooh yeah You 70 years old. This 32-year-old thing, she nice, got long hair. She got, ooh, skin. Ooh, woo. Yeah. Stacked like dirty laundry in a dorm room. Come on now.

Hair down her back. And when she step, she'll step her. Y'all know what I'm talking about. She'll step her. Y'all gonna see her. She gonna have on YSL. She'll have on Tom Ford. She'll have on them blood bottoms. Everything is immaculate.

Right. And she's interested in you. You're taking that. Pete Carroll's about to be 74. How many jobs do you think he's going to get in the NFL at the age of 74? I like how you're going with it. Listen, when you put it like that, when you give me that kind of analogy,

I like how you're going with it. But everything you just said, you know, you talk about Tom Ford. Yes. You know, the nice shoes and she's a stepper. Yeah. Everything you just described in that woman ain't the goddamn Las Vegas Raiders. It don't go without her.

You know? Now, the Las Vegas Raiders is the one where your homeboy say, hey, boy, I ain't sharp. I need someone to take him up for the team tonight. Oh, no. For never, for that. You hear me? The one I got, you know, she's a 10 now.

Her friend, she said she had to bring her friend with her. Now her friend is on the six. But you're pretty. You're going to take over? Yeah, she's two out of two. The Las Vegas Raiders. When she gets inflamed, it's like getting ready to be the head coach for the Chiefs or something.

But you have to understand, Ocho, she's so interested in you. Yeah. She ain't got to have on nothing. She might come out the house with Crocs. She might come out the house

with that bonnet on. But she's 32. Mm. Hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo. Yeah. Curvy. Ooh, yeah. Hold on, hold on.

She's 32, curvy. Yeah. Hold on, hold on. Let me get my visuals together now. How tall are we talking? She's somewhere between 5'7 and 5'9. Ooh. Mm-hmm. I'm going to do you one better.

I'm going to do you one better because we both talk, let's just make it 5'9, 5, 10. So when she puts some heels on, we call her Amazon. 32, got a nice job. She makes six figures, low six figures. When you see her out, she ain't got nothing on her. She carrying Louis all the time.

She got her own, got her own crib. Got her own car. You got to be careful now. Because everything you describe right now as a woman, she talk back. That's okay. I listen too. I listen. I don't know what you talking about, Ocho. Hey, I'm about to be

50-7. Man, I ain't 50-0 all that. I'll pass that stage, Ocho, where I got to wear the pants and I got to be by weight. Oh, no ain't finna do all that. I'll pass that stage, Ocho, where I got to wear the pants, and I gotta be by weight. Oh, no. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. You know what? You right. I didn't want to go over there.

Yeah. Why didn't you tell me this yesterday? I like it. I like it. Listen, I understand where you're at. You're in a different phase in your life, and you have to understand. It's not like he's Ben Johnson. See, yeah, Tom Brady wanted Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson ain't got no quarterback.

Yeah, ideally, would I like to be in the same division? No, but I got a quarterback over here. I got skill position players over here. Oh, yeah. I got a lot of cap space, and I can build. Guess what? I got a quarterback on a rookie contract so I can put some pieces around

him. You got a little time. You got about two more years. You got two more years? Two more years. So with that being said, Ocho, but Pete being about to be 74, think about it. In the history of the game,

there's only one other coach. Romeo was 73 and he was interim. Wasn't head. He wasn't, you know, that wasn't somebody hired him and gave him the job. He just took over. So for me,

for Pete, it's a no-brainer. Now, Pete can build a team. We saw what he did with Seattle. But, Russ came to him in the third round. I think Russ was

the third round draft pick. And we saw what happened. They had a great defense. They built that thing. They had B-Wag. They had Sherm. They had Chancellor. They had Earl.

They had Malcolm Smith. They had Bennett. They had Cliff Averill. They had Red. They had a squad. Big time. Russ come in. Remember now, they assigned Matt Flynn and three agents from Green Bay.

He was expected. They gave him $10 million guaranteed, had a $30 million contract, $10 million signing bonus, and he never touched the field. Russ beat him out in camp. Crazy how that work. Hey, and maybe he can strike light. But see, the thing is, Ocho, he understands. He's been a head coach at a lot of different starts.

He's head coach at the Jets. He's head coach at the Patriots. Head coach at Seattle. Head coach here. Head coach at USC. And you look at what he did. USC was not winning before Pete got there. He put USC back on the map.

Now, you don't have to remember when USC had that juggernaut late 60s and through the 70s. They were hell. They were loaded. It was a real deal. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I mean, you got to think about it. They had Charles White and Marcus Allen. Ronnie Lott, Dennis Smith, Joy

Browner, Ross, all those guys. So they were really, Len Cain, all those guys within that backfield. They were really good. Munoz. Yeah. I think Don Mosbar was on that team. They were loaded. But Pete knows how to build a team.

But at the end of the day, if you look at the teams, when he's had his best, most success, he's not a quarterback. Always. It matters. And without him, so Russ and Pete, hey, Russ, Pete, reunite in Oakland? I mean, in Vegas? Him and Russ?

Russ and Wilson. Ooh, that's a good one. That's a good one. I like what you're thinking. That's a possibility. I'm not sure. I am not sure. Damn, that's a good one.

Yeah. A quarterback that you're familiar with, a quarterback that you won a Super Bowl with, but there were some issues internally. Yep. Yeah. A quarterback that you're familiar with, a quarterback that you won a Super Bowl with, you know, but there were some, there were some issues internally. It got, yep.

Are you sure you want to look back to that? Pete was like, I see diminishing skills. Right. Nah, bro, I ain't really trying to give you 200 plus. Russell,

bro, I, and, you know, hey, spin the block. Yeah. Yeah. You know, sometimes if I ain't be so bad on you, you ain't got a choice but to spin the block. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't, that ain't what, that ain't what I set out to do. Right. Sometimes, Ocho. But sometimes that's what you have to do you know that the age half your age plus seven

right minus three so that's why I come forward that's that you know that's my box it is I stay right here I ain't going outside of it

you know side to side side to side right here but I ain't going outside that box oh yeah okay maybe Side to side. Side to side right here. But I ain't going outside that box. Oh, yeah. Okay. Maybe. No, but it's.

Depending on who it is, maybe. You know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about, Ocho. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes, you know, hey. Like, hey. You boy ain't 27, ain't 37 no more Ocho it's different it's different listen you know what's good you know what's good about us is really understanding and realizing yes we're not the same as we were no we understand what we're capable of doing at our age now.

Yes. We did it in our teens and 20s and 30s. Man, we not pulling that shit off. No, no, no. I ain't finna grab no 25-year-old like I could when I was 32, 33. I already know that. Right now, Ocho, I'm a when I can, not when I want to. You see what I'm saying, Ocho?

I'm a when I can, not when I want to. Understand that what I'm saying, don't you? I'm a when I can, not when I want to. Understand that, Chad? Understand. Stay with me now. Stay with me. There's a difference between the two. Hey, you know what you got? You got self-awareness. Of course. Self-awareness is so important, but it's

lacking in so many of our men today. It's lacking in so many of our men. Yeah. You're trying to think you can keep up and do some of the things you did. No, I'm who I am. Hey, six months, 57. Now, I don't look it. I'm in shape. You know, I eat my veggies and do my abs.

But, hey, at the end of the day, they hit that Google. Yeah. Damn. Damn. Oh, 50-57? Yeah. Oh, 50-57? Yeah. Hey, Ocho, you know, sometimes you have to catch a straggler coming out of the supermarket. You know what I'm saying? I'm leaning on the wall, Ocho. Hey. I'm leaning on the wall

waiting on one to come out. You know what? It's the ninth inning. Damn. It's the ninth inning. It's the ninth inning. It's two strikes and three balls. What you going to do now? Call a two-minute drive. You

sit in your car for a little while. Why don't you go in and out? Okay. She look as desperate as I am. You desperate. I am you desperate I desperate hey let's make this happen what the hell

you talking about it's so funny the way you telling it and and I'm visualizing it and actually lived it just like that just like that

yeah like my homeboy told this one chick Ocho he say I'm ugly you ugly let's go home and screw our ugly self to death

I ain't ugly you a mofo lie I'm ugly too though hey don't look like you can get anybody I damn sure can't right

wait on hey go on and get there get some get some honey crisp apples damn show, Kate. Right. Wait on. Hey. Go on and get there and get some money at Chris Papples. Get some peanut butter out of that machine. Get it out of Chris.

Get some water. Get it out of Chris. Come on, hey. I'll see you right here at 15. I'll see you right here at 15. I ain't going nowhere.

Oh, man. Oh, you funny you look like I'm laughing at you good memories boy I see the way you dress you coming out of the house dressed like this here ain't nobody see

nah you wasn't expecting to see nobody cause anytime a woman expect to see somebody you best believe she gonna be she gonna be late she gonna be right now

she ain't finna run the risk she gonna have her face together and she ain't finna run the risk. She's going to have her face together and she ain't finna come out there looking like who did it and what for. Every time. What? Oh, man. Oh, Joe, check this out.

Yo. We're about to do a toss to a Terrell show on Netflix. Let's take a chat. Take a look at this. I got somebody I grew up with. God damn, she just got here. I've been sitting here like the fifth wheel for 30 minutes.

You ain't say that to me all night. I got somebody I grew up with. Good dude, good dude. Where my man? Who is it? I have to find something to do while I'm here. Not something to do or someone to do something. He's not here. He's busy.

But it'd be perfect because he ain't going to be all in your space. What's his name? Shannon. Shannon Short? Oh, okay. Come on. You know who Shannon Short is? No.

Shannon Short. He's a well-known, retired NFL. He got a lot of ways. Well-known. Tell me one rule. Let me see if I'm about this life. One rule, when you use the bathroom, you have to go downstairs.

Yeah. All right. I plugged you in like a Dyson vacuum. You didn't plug me in. Why you had to break that up? You could have brought that up a little later. Which part? The part about, oh, he like a Dyson vacuum. You didn't plug in. Why you had to bring that up? You could have brought that up a little later. Which part? The part about, oh, he got a lot of rules.

You ain't have to mention no rules. No, no, Unc, see, you don't want to lie to him in the beginning. That's the one thing. That's exactly what I want to do in the beginning. No, Unc, you want to set the precedent early so you don't waste your time. No, hey, hey, you know, hey, I don't go, let me break, let me spring that on them after we, you know, we're at the table, so what's some of your biggest pet peeves?

I don't like someone being late burping or passing gas, that's how you break that in the whole show, you done ruined the mood I ain't ruined the mood, I only told her she's still interested, did she call you? No No? Well, I probably gave her the wrong number, you changed the number the mood out in the toilet. She's still interested. Did she call you? No.

I probably gave her the wrong number. What happened was you done gave her the rules. She probably drank milk, eat cheese, eat all the vegetables, just be blowing it up. Sometimes you gotta sacrifice if you want something. You know that, huh? Oh, no. Sometimes you have to compromise if it's something that you really want. You can't always always if you have a set of rules and obviously sometimes it's something

you like you know it's in the bible sometimes you have to sacrifice and compromise if it's something that you're actually interested in i can't i can't do that i can't do that okay okay you don't you don't like it like that i a a there. Hey, hey, hey. But that's always been my thing. So it's not something new. I mean, it's the first time that probably people that have said it publicly. But if you've been around me, all my teammates, bro. No, hell no. But it is what it is.

Hey, I appreciate you looking out for your boy. Oh, listen, I'm going to always do that. I'm going to always make sure you're good because at that time when we were filming I didn't like the space you were in I didn't like not really having someone obviously this was before the Michelle debacle

and you know it was when I was trying to plug and find people that you can date and they could fill that void and that space and then I think I've failed

to this point because I haven't you know, I don't really get it. If I don't want that balloon where they pop the balloon she done pop the balloon. Wow! Hold on. I'm glad you just mentioned that. I should do a 20 versus one, huh?

What you think? You know what they pop? No. No, you don't think so? Bad rail will pop your skull. Bad, hey, look at them playing rail. Rail ain't what they play with like that, Ocho. You can joke about a lot of things.

Hey, look, you know rail better than me, but the way I've been around rail, rail don't play with real. Real ain't what to play with like that, Ocho. You can joke about a lot of things. Look, you know real better than me, but the way I've been around real, real don't play like that. No, no, no, no. You don't play like that. See, real got real like old. Real more like values kind of like me. She old school. She's from Alabama.

She ain't from New York. She ain't from Cali and stuff like that. Rel got Southern rules, Southern upbringing. And some stuff ain't going to jive with her. Don't you think? Hey, Rel, they on Rel's head

right now, boy. About what? She's seen and viewed as the mean girl. She's viewed and viewed as the mean girl. She's viewed and seen as the villain. And I told her, name you one person in history. Name you one person that made

history. Everybody can't be the hero. No, you can't. Sometimes, what I always say about embracing being the villain in what you do. Yes. Always. You know?

I can name. I'm going to give you some examples. I'm going to give you one example. What's that? Housewives of Atlanta. Even if you don't watch the show. Yeah, because I don't most of them. I don't watch the show. Yeah, because I don't watch the show. I don't watch

the show. Yeah. I can tell you who the villain is and I can tell you who made the most money from the show. Miss Nene? Yeah. Huh? Come on, man. People are tuning in for... Oh, they ain't tuning in for Kumbaya

moments? Shit, Kumbaya moments will get you fired. You won't have no goddamn show. Exactly. Listen, you know what? I'm going to leave it at that. Y'all make sure y'all go check it out. Let me know what y'all think.

I want you guys to watch it and come back and let me know if they portraying real in the right light. Make sure you go watch Wags to Riches on Netflix. It's out now. Wags to Riches on Netflix. It's out now. Wags to Riches. But Ocho, you ain't do your boy no favor. No, I did your great favor.

You ain't do it. Chad, do y'all think Ocho did me a favor? Bro, you put Ocho, you gotta go slow. The fact that, how you talking about I didn't do you a favor, the fact that I didn't even mention you, period, is a favor. Rojo,

if you gonna mention me, if you gonna mention me and say, hey, he got all these rules, he got like 50-11 rules. No, I didn't say that. I said the only issue that you might have is that he has rules. Now, everyone has a set of rules. Everyone has boundaries. Everyone has things. They're non-negotiable.

I thought it was important for me to let her know about just one rule. And she was okay with that. So that means your foot is in the door already. Your foot is in the door already. See, she's going to compromise. She don't have to. Don't you do me no favor.

When you say Shannon Shaw, certain things go out the window. boundaries go out the window certain things that you wouldn't tolerate from somebody else they'll tolerate from you let me tell you how i would do it i say and i got this partner i said man i said you know he played in the nfl had a great career oh you got hey wait a minute you gotta about six foot tall he's still workout six three hard working yeah i said uh funny great sense of humor now if you want to laugh he's the guy that's he's the guy i mean he's got great personality he loves to do he'd fly off the cuff whatever you like to do you want to go bungee jumping he's right there you want to go go-karting he's right there you want to go horseback riding yeah there's nothing that you could possibly want to do that he'll say no to he's that kind of

outgoing fun loving guy he's the guy that whatever your adventures are right you're right there with it come on now see that's what i'm gonna do i say hey you want something that the thing I know about it. Yeah. He love hard. Yeah. I say he loves hard. There is nothing that he wouldn't do for you. Once he, once, once y'all get to that point where he's like,

okay, we're going to do this. Yeah. He all in. All in. If you want a son, I go get that bitch. That's what I'm saying.

So now I'm going to say, I say, I just got one facet. Look, that's my boy. I say, we ain't brothers. I said what I'm saying. So now I'm going to say, I say, I just got one facet. Look, that's my boy. I say, we ain't brothers. I said,

but we close. The only difference is we ain't got the same blood. All I ask is this. All I'm going to ask you is this. If my boy fall, will you catch it? See what I did for you. That's what I did for you That's what I did for you Hey that's a survey

Right there bro You had a song You see That's all you had to do Oh Joe You got me hyped bro You got me hyped right there bro Listen

I couldn't do the presentation like that. I couldn't do it in that manner, obviously, because we on camera. They filmed it. Yeah, I got you. I got you. I was slow to stick to a certain, you know what. And I went off. I went off the script and whatever we were supposed to be talking about just to plug me in.

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There's a new article from Seth Wickersham and Dan Van Adden. Not out of matter. from Seth Wickersham and Dan Van Otter. He says, Snyder effing hates the commander's success and is in denial, sad and devastated. Snyder outlook has evolved. There's still anger and he remains in denial about what led to his ouster, said one person close to his inner circle.

But there is also something else, sadness for himself. That person said it's killing him, it's devastating for him. Listen, most of the time, it's more so the younger folk, right? When you and your ex break up, you know, a lot of people like to say, oh, I'm happy for you, I'm happy that you're doing well goddamn no you know time you want to wish the worst i don't want nothing good to happen with you if it ain't with me yeah some people are like that and that's how dan snyder's feeling right now what did you expect to happen you had ample time to do right you had ample time to do right by commanders fans you had ample time to do right by your franchise because it starts at the top it starts with you

you had time to do it the fact that your franchise turned around in less than a year after you were gone says all you need to know see dan snyderder... There's another place that I'm not going to mention that's also going to turn around as soon as someone is out the way. Oh, Jerry. I didn't hear no there. Can we not talk about them no more? But I'm just telling you. Right.

What happens when someone is removed, that doesn't mean well for a team and a franchise entity in the business of the magnitude of that of the commanders? Because sometimes, Ocho, a person can say, I'd rather you be sad with me than happy somewhere else. The possibility or the thought that you might be happy is enough to crush me. Yes, sir. So, no, stay here and be miserable with me because i don't

want you to find happiness i don't want you to find success because if you find that that means there had to be something wrong with me because he said but i don't believe i don't believe you find success i believe you create it you create You create happiness. Now you can be in a situation that's chaotic. That doesn't allow you. You so focused on all the auxiliary stuff that's going on around you that you don't get an opportunity to focus. Right. But that's not how I am. Yes, it would crush me, but I'd rather you be happy elsewhere than another day miserable here with me.

Man, that's a good one, boy. I like that. I've just not built life. I don't want somebody to be where they're not wanted. Well, I'm not one. Because, Ocho, the saddest place. See, people think that being alone is sad. The saddest place, the loneliest place is being someplace you're not wanted.

Yeah. That's when you're not wanted yeah that's when you're the most lonely and you know what they take advantage of you too huh yes i've always i've always i've always been like that now i've been very good at it i've been i've been very good at it if i'm anywhere if i'm if i'm anywhere i don't give i don't give a excuse i almost curse just to let you know how much i mean to add emphasis on what I'm getting ready to say. If I'm ever anywhere and you don't want me, you hear me? And you don't want me, all you have to do is show me signs. All you have to do is show me signs, you know.

Now, some people aren't in a position to be able to maneuver like that because everything is energized and geared towards that individual. That's why I say, fellas, the more you got going on, the easier it is when things happen to change. The more you got going on normally, when you're young, everything is about just your woman. That's it. Everything is geared towards that young lady, whoever it is you're dealing or seeing. I think to me, I think that's why it hurts so bad. Yeah. That's why it hurts so bad when things don't go well with the individuals that they're talking to.

Because everything, your whole focal point is on just that. Okay, you might work. Okay, you might go to school. But outside of that, your whole world and everything you got going on revolves around that individual. Yeah. Yeah. Once you stop celebrating me and start tolerating me. that your whole world and everything you got going on revolves around that individual yeah yeah once you once you start stop celebrating me and start tolerating me look just be just just tell me it's okay yeah it's gonna break my heart i'm not gonna lie because i do care huh you gotta tell me matter of fact your actions your actions will show me yeah well i definitely see I definitely see better than I hear.

But don't show. A lot of times people have a hard time saying that. Because everybody says, oh, I could just. Nah, it's a lot harder than it seems. It's easy to say that. Now, because there are some things that that person does that you really like and what drew you to the said individual. Yeah.

But, man, it's a situation, bro. Like God almighty. What? Hey, Titus, what's up twin? Come on this side.

Come on this side. Come on. Come on. Okay. Okay. Yes. Yes. Hey,

what's up Titus? What up twin? Go to bed. Go. Yes. Hey, what's up, Titus? What up, twin? Go to bed. Hey, come on. Let's go. Come on. Let's go. Kelly just got home and let him out. And I knew he was going to run straight down here.

That's why I had him locked up. But yeah, it's tough, Ocho. Everybody says it's not easy, especially when you've been somewhere, someone with a significant amount of time. There's natural attachment. There's things that you really, really like about this person. I don't matter how long you, there's still things about that person that you don't like everything about a person anybody tell you that that's that's not true because nobody has all the qualities that you want or you like

you just hope they have enough of the ones that you can't do without and some of the ones that they don't have you really to overlook oh yeah but man hey to be somewhere that you're not wanted yeah and then it's always you know no matter what you do it's not good enough it seemed like the leaf vein it get on that note it turned him off matter of fact all the things all the things she fell in love with, all the things that she enjoyed when you first met, all the places you like to dine at, all the places, you know, all the little things, all the cuddling, you know, all the fun stuff. You know, once the dopamine wears off, the honeymoon phase is gone. You know, everything is now become routine. Man, listen.

What? What? Ocho, that's another reason why a lot of athletes get, because see, here's the thing. When you making that money, a lot of times they'll tolerate you. You going out hanging with the boys coming in at three or four, that ain't a problem. Because you giving a 10, 15 grand a month. You got this big old house.

Okay, Ocho, you passing gas. You know what I noticed? Gas don't smell nearly as bad as you making five, six million dollars a year as opposed to you making a hundred thousand a year.

You notice that, Ocho? I'm just saying. I'm going to keep it. Hey, we're going to be honest. We're going to have an honest conversation tonight. I'll keep talking. Come on, Preacher.

If you go back and look at it, look at women. All the things, they're like, he doing all this. He did it when he was in the league, when he was in the NBA. He's in the NFL. He's in the NMLB. He did all those things.

The only difference, he making $10, $15, $20 million a year. Yes, sir. Now, all of a sudden, you can't go get Birkins like you once could. You can't get LB. You can't get Dior. You can't get Chanel.kins like you once could. You can't get LB. You can't get Dior. You can't get Chanel. Now it's a problem. It was never a problem him coming in.

And he told you while I was with the boys, he came in at 4 o'clock or he came in the next morning. You ain't have a problem with it. The moment he leave the NFL, the moment he leave the Fresno Rail, he get on my nerves he never got on your nerves before I need you around more when we play

sports we gone we leave the house at 8, 8.30 in the morning we don't get back to 5 now all of a sudden I want you to be always gone now I'm home i wish you find something to do yeah which one you want i work i work for 14 years not to do it listen i'm sorry that most people don't get to retire at 35 i did oh well. The more money you have, you know,

the more money you have, the longer you lease. The more they'll tolerate bull jive. The more money you have, the longer the lease. Yeah. And then, obviously, sometimes you get into a certain tax bracket.

Sometimes you get into a certain tax bracket where your lease is in, what's the word I'm looking for? Not inevitable. What are you? Infinite. Infinite. Yeah. Oh, it's long.

It's long. For perpetuity, it's infinity. Infinite. And then, you know what? I was also thinking about i was also thinking about some of the wealthiest men in the world right and you think money's the issue just based on the situation we're talking about right now this is the great great analogy i think about the billionaires you know and how they have not succeeded in my time i think well hell if if

they couldn't do it what what goddamn chance do I have? And they have it all. They're able to give all, you know, to solve all problems, you know, especially from a financial standpoint, and I'm assuming they're there emotionally as well. All had divorces. Jeff Bezos. Michael Jordan.

Yeah, for sure. There are a few there are a few more B&As I don't have but see here's the thing the mistake people make is that they think money absolves them

of problems no you just have you just have means to help maybe solve some of this yeah but it doesn't

absolve you it doesn't man if I had bro you still have the same problems your girl and your wife or whatever transpire you're're going to have issues with your kids.

Everybody's kid's not perfect. As much as we want all our kids to grow up and be respectful and be mannerable and don't run afoul with the law and go to college and be all, it doesn't happen like that. All money does is that give you an opportunity that you could, hey, I got means in which I could probably try to solve some of this. But it doesn't guarantee it. It masks everything for a little bit. It does. It does. But I've seen it, Ocho. I've seen some of my teammates

and I've seen guys that do things and it wasn't a problem when they was in the league. Right. Matter of fact, here we go. Think about this. Listen to me. Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp,

Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Dr. Dre, Ryan Reynolds, Tom Brady, Lance Armstrong, Alex Rodriguez,

Shannon Tatum, Chris Rock, Ben Affleck, Chris, Liam Hemsworth, Benny Steeler, Orlando Bloom, Tiger Woods,

Sean Penn, Sylvester Stallone, Paul McCartney, Brian Felipe, Jason Belmore, and I already said Michael Jordan. We talk about the cream of the crop. When it comes to financial earning status,

couldn't keep a woman happy. And the women, all of their women, initiated divorce. And so I sat back, I was looking over something, I was reading something earlier today, you know, and I understand that, you know, really now we had our beef, we had our arguments, we had our disagreements and misunderstandings, right? You know, and I thought to it and I came across this. I'm like, well, God damn, if they couldn't get it right. And they have almost everything. They have the resources,

the wisdom, and all their wives left them. And these ain't just anybody. We talk about Tom Brady. How do you leave Tom Brady? How do you leave Michael Jordan? How do you leave Tiger Woods? I mean, I understand there were certain things that happened publicly, and you know,

some things that didn't happen publicly, you know, with others that were left. Jeff Bezos, we talk about, you left Mr. Amazon? Hell, didn't Bill Gates get a divorce? I mentioned Bill. I said Bill. Yeah, I think Melinda Gates. I think even

Melinda separated. What the hell is going on? If they couldn't do it, what the F makes me think even I don't have a chance. But that's what I'm saying, Ochoa. When I get married, that's what I'm saying. I wait a long time. I'm going to do it once. Now, what is going to happen, I'm going to, hey, you go ahead.

I'm going to go out into the guest bedroom. But ain't nobody going nowhere. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, I like it. Whatever issue we got nobody going nowhere. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, I like it. Whatever issue we got,

we can solve it. Right. I like that. See, I like what you just said. Now, that's something that I've always been. Anytime there was a problem,

I was always able to find a solution. I was always the problem solver. I always have been. Now, at times, I know my personality is all about fun. It's about joking. It's about laughing. You know, just being happy.

But there's also a serious side. You know, there's a serious side. Because when I mess up, when I get in trouble, I ain't got nothing but to straighten up and be somebody that I'm not. But here's the problem. Here's the thing. You can only solve a problem if the other person wants it solved. One plus

one got you with two. If I don't want it solved, I don't care what you do. I don't care what you say. Right. So if it takes two, they say it takes two to tango? It does. Okay. Yes, it does. I like the tango? It does. Okay. Yes, it does. I like the tango, too.

So. Hey, that's my dance. You never, hey. Hey, listen. It's a good thing I'm dancing. I can tell you that, huh? Mm-hmm. You happy?

There was a time I thought I was going to have to come do an intervention. I thought I was going to have to do an intervention. Oh, you was going to have to? do an intervention. I thought I was going to have to do an intervention. Oh, you was going to have to? Yeah. I could be honest with you.

Listen, we family. I could be honest with you. It got to a point, and I could be honest, where it felt I was, to me, let me say that first. To me, I felt I was doing enough in pursuing and trying to fix things in a way and that individual wasn't moving fast enough for me right you ain't moving fast enough for me and me not realizing hold on hold on now you messed up so you can't you can't put something on somebody else's timeline and trying to so i've been trying to speed up the process now what you're doing and then i started pulling back yes and like you know

what i i got to a point it was almost like man fuck this shit man and i'm like yeah i get it i put my pride and ego aside and say okay you know what let me make it right but then it got to a point man shit man fuck this shit man fuck this shit. Man, I'm Ocho. What am I doing? Ocho is like somebody step on your foot. Yeah. Man, that ain't even hurt. Bro, you stepped on my foot.

How the hell you going to tell me how much pain I'm in? Or how long I should grieve? If I've wronged you, it's like you tell me I've wronged you, Ocho. I apologize. Right. I'm going to apologize. I'm not going to say if, because a lot of times people say, well, if I offended you, if I upset you, well, clearly you told me that I upset you.

So I don't need to say if, because you've already told me. If you say I've done something wrong, you told me. I'm sorry. Right. Boom. Yeah. But it's tough. Like I said said it's tough when you want something but here's the thing

you have to realize see as an athlete you can control the outcome if I do this, this, this and this I'm going to get that I'm going to get this result I put the work in boom instantaneous because I can see what I this in result. I put the work in, boom, instantaneous.

Because I can see what I did in the course of the offseason and go back and try that in minicamp and training camp, and boom, happened just like that. Like hard work. And that was the issue. That was my issue. I'm like, God damn, listen, I'm doing A, B,

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