Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: Seahawks CLINCH #1 SEED in NFC + Bucs stay ALIVE in the NFC South + Bryce Young FUTURE in QUESTION with Panthers

Episode Date: January 4, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Seattle Seahawks dominate the San Francisco 49ers and earn the 1 seed of the NFC, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers beat the Carolina Panthers to possibly get into the playoffs, it all comes down to the Atlanta Falcons vs New Orleans Saints, and the Panthers have to make a decision on Bryce Young’s contract soon and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 3:50 - Seahawks beat 49ers25:51 - Bucs beat Panthers50:49 - Panthers have to make decision on Bryce Young (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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out that link is pinned in the chat. Well, the Seattle Seahawks are the number one seed and they win the NFC. They give two birds with one stone. They go on the road and take down a very red hot San Francisco 49er team by the score of 13 to 3. Their defense was outstanding. We can't reiterate that enough. There's not enough adjective to describe what this defense did tonight to a very hot and a very good 49er offense. They made Brock per-de-brough, I mean, he threw 427 yards. They had less than, they had 180 yards of total offense. In their own building,

Christian McCaffrey had 23 rush yards and 34 receiving yards. Sam Darnel was 20 of 26, 196, 198, 0-interceptions. They ran the ball extremely well, 39 rush attempts, 180 yards in a touchdown. Jackson Smith and Jigba, six catches, 184 yards. I think he would, well, he's over 1,800, Ocho. He should, he should be by, might be over 1900.

By now, yeah, you should be. And only three guys in the history of the NFL have ever had at least 1900 yards receiving. He's one of them, Cooper Cup and obviously Calvin Johnson, who has the record. But Seattle was impressive tonight, Ocho. What did you like about, what did you like most about what you saw from the Seahawks? What I like most about what I saw from the Seahawks is, for one, Sam Donald, he didn't do what has always harmed them, especially last year in the playoffs. And important games and important situations, he turned them all over.

He'd been turnover prone towards the end of the season this year as well. But this game, Unk, he was clean. But I want to give Mike McDonald, I don't know what kind of speech he had before the game for that defense to play that way they played tonight. But they did. They had every answer for everything the 49 is one to run offensively. I've never seen, it's happened very few times, where he's seen a 49th offense get shut out like this. Christian McCaffrey, who's able to do so much offensive for them

because they can put him in so many positions to make plays and find the mismatches for him. They played it extremely well all night long. Obviously, Brock Purdy turned the ball over one time. Christian McCaffrey, who has always had sure hands, he let one get away from him and turn the ball over. Hey. It looked like it got tipped, though, Joe.

What? It did. Okay. the guy Tim, they kind of threw it off ballot, threw it off. But it looked like CMAG wanted to do something, like he wanted to catch it. And get it reversed out of it.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But other than that, man, this was a beautiful game. Very low scoring. Obviously, if you have offered the type of guy like myself, you want to see more points scored and you want to see the, the, the, the, the, the, the Seahawks take advantage of some of those,

some of those outings that they had, including the one where they got interception, but they weren't able to do anything with it. The 49th defense played well as well, but they couldn't get anything going offensively at all. Well, I thought the difference in the ball game, look, from a Seattle perspective, you mentioned Sam Donald did not put the ball in harm's way. Yeah, he's thrown 26 touchdowns, but he has 20 turnovers.

And if you go back and look at them, the games that they lost, turnovers were heavily involved. Now, they did win a game. I think they won a game against who, with the Rams, where they turned the ball over a bunch and they still was able to win the ball game. but if you look at his history, when he turns the ball over, there's a great chance that his team's going to lose the game. But this defense is playing so well.

They played a lot of cover two tonight because they believe they can stop. They believe that they can stop their running game with that front four. So we got seven. We don't need to do anything special. And they, you know, they got after them with that front four. I thought D-lawed them. I thought those guys played really, really well. The DB stuck to the receiver, Lachow and Ernest Jones the fourth.

And the rest of those crew, they did a great job of, neutralizing the run, putting enough pressure on Brock Purdy where he couldn't get comfortable. And the longest completion tonight, Ocho. What, maybe? How many? George Kittle. The longest completion tonight was 20 yards. They only had 127 yards on 27.

That was a kiddle, right? That was the one, the kiddle? Yes. Yep. Yes. Yes. Watching Seattle, you know, obviously, you know, watching them, I probably watched them probably about four or five times this year, Ocho.

Their defense is better than advertised. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And if you remember Ocho, the last time the Ravens defense has been good, he coordinated it. The head coach of the Seahawks coordinator. Remember, they lost the championship game. I think they lost what, 14, 13, 14, 10, something like that. And then he ends up getting out of there and he gets the head coaching job at Seattle.

That was the last time the Ravens defense looked competent. Yeah. If they played Ocho, based on what I've seen on every team in the LFC. Now, you know, any given Sunday, anything, any given Sunday, any given Saturday, didn't think it happened. But if the Seahawks play like this, there ain't a team in the NNC could beat them. Not the Eagles, not the Rams,

not the 49ers, not Carolina, Tampa. Now, if I'm saying Fran, I'm not that disappointed. Whoever the five Cs should be jumping over joy because you're going to get Tampa, you're going to get Carolina. And you avoid, you're going to avoid, you're going to avoid,

I'm not so sure anybody's really afraid of the Eagles as much of their, maybe last year, but they haven't been clicking on anything. They hadn't looked really, present this year. But if the Seahawks play like this, you're going to catch hell going to Seattle.

Absolutely. With the 12th man, like I said, I'm saying they play like this. That means Sam Donald doesn't turn the ball over. He turns the ball over all bets or off because you can end up somebody getting a scoop and score of pick six or you sit them up on a short field. Excuse me, Chad.

But if you have to drive the ball of this defense, with those two corners and those balls, it ain't happening. I don't see it, Ocho. I don't. not happening at all. With the, Hey, I don't see it.

We talk about that front four, the first level. They got them back in playing well, too. Oh, you got Walin. They got spoon. Man, they plan. Uh, uh, uh, Thomas. They're playing really well. Look, uh, Josh Job, look, they got guys that, look,

it's hard to explain, Ocho, but just looking at them, their fundamentalist sound. Whatever, wherever you catch the ball at, they normally get you down there. And they come in a hurt. They do a lot of gang tackling. They ain't a lot of one-on-one. Hey, the D-Line, hey, they see the ball thrown, they turn it and go away.

This was impressive tonight. To go on the road and be the team that's been as hot as the 49ers has been. Hold on, let me pull up some stats, Ochoa, right quick. Let me see what this thing. Because they did the job. The 49ers had nine first downs, Ocho.

That's it. There were two or nine on third down. There were two on four down. Yeah. Yeah. They had 173 total yards. Time of possession, 37, almost 38 minutes to 22 minutes.

Oh, that's crazy. That's crazy. Had, and this game really shouldn't have been close. No. There was over three in the red zone. They missed the field goal, and they had the center for field goals, but I mean, they were down that they should have got points out of those.

Give the 40, but I was surprised what I was really surprised by, One of the things that I, let me know what you think, is that how well Seattle ran the ball against the 49ers? Oh, your third and 17 and you run a handoff and you pick it up 19, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Ken's Walker because, you know, you know what? It's third down, right?

Third and 17, most of the time you want to play it safe. I'm sure in that situation, they should have known it was going to be a run. It should have, it was going to be a draw, some type of handoff in general. I mean, yes, they backed up. Why are you backed up? Why are you playing the past, especially in that situation? I don't understand and kid and and they get but but you got Seattle back up so you know and and it's not like they totally trusted because like oh okay let's a let's just run

the ball a do something hand do something you know easy plan where or some time yes yes yeah yeah yeah so I mean listen I don't I don't understand how that even work Brock Purdy did not have his finest hour tonight he had been playing extremely well and I'm not, you know, like I said, it's one game based on the body of work. I think he's shown that he's more than capable and more than a competent. He went to an NFC championship game.

He took a team to the Super Bowl. He kind of got, he'd been beat up a little bit since then. But I don't, I don't really have any major concerns about him. It was just that this was a total, this was more so what Seattle did do, not so much of what the 49ers didn't do.

I think sometimes, oh, too, we get caught up like, oh, my goodness, I can't believe they did that. where they weren't going seven on seven, they weren't going against themselves. Or they weren't going against air. They was going against a very competent defense. A team that can get at you with their front four. They're really solid on the back edge.

Ernest Jones, Jr., excuse me, junior, the fourth is a tackling machine. They fly around to the football. This is a very good team, a very well coach team that's put together. John Snyder probably doesn't get enough credit, but you look at what they have. A lot of these guys, they drafted these guys. Now, they did sign D-Law. They did make the trade for Big Leonard Williams.

They got Ernest Jones basically for little of nothing. But they make the trade for Shaheed. That really broke the game. He was the guy that flipped the script when they were playing at home against the Rams. Because he was the one they got him started with that punt return. And then he catches a big jail break screen and get going out of the house. out of the house.

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just going up and down that call, she's trying to find something to work, actually. And it seemed like everything he calls McDonald and their defense, they had an answer for it. Everything. They had an answer for it. So what you're thinking? Who do you, who do you, I mean, look, the Rams, 49ers, Seahawks. We know they're in. It's going to be either Carolina or it's going to be Tampa.

and then you look at the NFC East, it's the Eagles and it's going to be Green Bay, Chicago. Yeah. I just, it's just hard for me to see a scenario

with someone. Like I said, turn the ball over in the playoffs. All best are off. I don't give a damn who you are. But just looking at the teams and the way they've played thus far, Seattle's defense is outstanding.

Amazing. And you're going to have to go there to beat them. You're going to have to go there. It's going to be a tough task. It's going to be a tall attack. Especially not only, forget the defense, forget the offense, having to deal with that crowd. You can't hear nothing in that stadium. Right.

And they got Injigba, who's a matchup nightmare. I don't care who your corners are. So don't get, Mitchell and DeJon, they're not seeing this dude one-on-one. They don't like to play a whole lot of one. They believe they can stop your run with their front. for they like to play that they will they will play coverage they will play uh cover one they will play they go man but the jigua is just man that jigs was just man that jacques quick he is i mean he is super duper quick and you better not miss it's a rap you better get both

hands on him because if you don't it's a rap and the funny thing about it is he got your wallet and he's not a speed burner uh he's not he's not a speed burner but he's he's quick ocho and not not only that, he's quick and then he knows he's an elite route runner, elite route runner and very, very good at being able to manipulate whatever's in front of him and make sure he creates separation. Yeah, and he's unbelievable at that. It's going to be, it's going to be interesting to see because if you think about it, the Eagles really haven't run the ball all year. Chicago has one of the best rushing attacks. We'll see what they can do with that.

but the question is we know Seattle has home so that means Chicago will be the two seed the Eagles will be the three seed so that means so right now who's who's who's the three what's five six so that means the Rams go go to a Philly that means the Niners get the winner of Tampa and Carolina I mean if Atlanta wins Carolina's in the playoff if If New Orleans wins, Tampa's in the playoffs. So that means Green Bay is the seven seats. So they go to the two seed, which would be the Bears. Okay.

So now, I mean, the Bears are going to play because, look, they about that, I think Caleb Williams, if he throws for like 200 and something yards, he'll be the first 4,000-yard passer in Bears history. Now, you're talking about a team. They talk about a team that's damn near over 100 years old, and they've never had a 4,000-yard passer. That's crazy. They're the only team, if I'm not mistaken,

the NFL history that's never had a 4,000-yard passer. That's crazy. So you see how this thing is headed. Rams going to Philly. 49ers are going to be on the road at either Carolina or Tampa, and Green Bay is going to be on the road again against Green Bay. I mean, excuse me, going to be on the road against Chicago. And see, see, Al-Bair home with the heels kicked up, saying,

we get who we get. It don't matter. We get it. Do you think about teams to get the buy We get the NFL and you look at the teams in college football that have gotten the buy? Do you think that the same effect in having rushed as opposed to the teams that get a buy

within college or you don't think that really affects NFL? You know, it all depends. Turnovers, they're so weight, it's so heavy come postseason time, Ocho. That momentum swings. I'm talking about that momentum swings quick. And before you know it, where you're normally down seven, you're probably down 14, 17. And especially if you're at home, because now every third down you don't get, your crowd get antsy.

They get real quiet. They start to boo. The opposing teams start to feel bigger life. But we've seen, I mean, we've seen Kansas City going the road. it all depends how well can your quarterback handle adversity that's the key that's the key and for the most part hurts and purdy are the only ones that's that's been in this situation sam donald is probably has never had to win a playoff game on the road he's never done it remember how bad he went to uh detroit last year and looked off that was bad that was bad

this uh this will be caleb william's first time in the post season jordan lov has had some success in the post season he did go to and dropped 48 on them. So Matt Stafford has gone on the road and beat Tampa with Tom Brady and went on and win a Super Bowl. So you look at the quarterbacks that's been in these situations before and you probably give them a slight nod, but Seattle's defense is a neutralizer.

It's an equalizer. It's going to be the difference. It's going to be the difference. If Sam Donald plays the way he does in the offseason without turn the ball over, without putting the ball in harm's way with that defense that Seattle's playing right now. I'm not saying they're not the Legion of Boom. They're not that. They're not that.

But they damn show where it's good where it can be the reason they can hold that goddamn trophy up. Because I don't see, I don't see the offense in the AFC that's that high powered that can create that many mismatches where they can have success going up and down the field on that defense. I don't. Yeah, I don't either. I don't either. I mean, all things being equal, AFC, I would probably give the nod to Josh Allen because he's been in the playoffs in these situations

more times than not. He's a guy that legs and the moment, and he does a great job come playoff time of taking care of the football. Now, his bugger boo was early in his career in the regular season turning it over. That's what got them in harm's way. But he's done a fairly good job come postseason time

of taking care of the football. He's played really well in some games that he happened to be opposite of Patrick Mahomes who's kind of one-uped him. But I agree. I mean, but you know, I think that's the thing that fans love most about the NFL, Joe,

is one game. That's it. I ain't got to beat you four times. I just got to beat you one. I got to beat you one Saturday, one Sunday. That's it. I like it. That's it.

That's all I got to do. Kenneth Walker, 16 carries, 97 yards. Zach Sharbonnet, 17 carries 74 yards. I thought Sam Donald made some great plays with his legs. He bought some time. Find Cooper Cup.

Baut some time. Fall some time. J.S.N. I thought he did a great job of buying time with his legs, letting the guys work their way, find a final way to get open, and doing a great job. Look, he's not much of a scrambling. Nobody expected him to be.

He doesn't have to be. When you got a running game like that, they can run the football. But JSA and you still got a burner, even though Shahid, he did do a whole lot to passing game tonight. He's more than, he's more than capable of having a big time game. They just got to put him in position to do it. That's all.

That's all that comes down to. Hey, you know, Shaman, how you say the running back name, Chabinay? And he remind me of Robert Smith from the Vikings. A shirt shirt, a long strider shirt tucked in. Look, look exactly like Robert Smith, the way you run. But it's going to be a, let the fun begin. But the Seattle Seahawks get the number one seed and they win the NFC West, thanks to a 13-3 victory on the road against the San Francisco 49ers.

They finished the regular season with a 14 and 3 record. 49ers close out the year, considering all the injuries that they've undergone for them to be 12 and 5. And the number 5 seed in the playoffs, I think that's a pretty good job. I thought Carl Shadden had did a great job of keeping this team together. I thought Matt Jones did a great job of when he came in, of playing at an extremely high level to keep this team.

Because, you know, they've had injuries. They've had Williams be out. They had Big Trent, he was out, Kittle missed time, Purdy missed time. They've had a lot of, they've had an influx. Obviously, Bose is done, was done for the season early on. But for them to maintain. extremely high level of play and still make the playoffs, given the injuries,

I think that's a pretty good, I think that's a pretty good accomplishment. They don't feel that way right now, considering they had home, they were on their own home turf, and they got out played tonight in all phases, office, defense, and special teams. But 12 and 5, and to get into the playoffs,

I think that speaks volume to what type of team they're playing. But congratulations to the Seattle Seahawks. They win, 13, 3, on the road against the 49th, finished the regular season, 14 and 3, and they will be the number one seed in the NFC. Jackson Smith and Jigba. He finishes the season. Ocho, 119 catches, which ties him for the lead right now. Pooka Nacuah has 119, and McBride has 119.

So he's not going to win that. But he finished it with 1793 yards. That's a good speed. Not quite 18. Not quite 18. That's a good season. They've only been a handful of games. guys that's ever had 18 or 1900 yards.

Julio did it. I think Reverend Ike, Isaac Bruce did it. Obviously, Jerry did it. Cooper Cup had 19, a little like 1947. Calvin had Megatron had 1964. A.B.

A.B. had, I think AB had 18002. There's only been a handful of guys. They're probably less than 10 guys that's had 18 or 1900. hundred yards receiving in the history of the NFL. I think Bruce never had 18. What do you have? 17. Okay, 1781.

Only 1781. All the two was 19. Jetta had, Jerry had 1848, right? Okay. So. Yeah, Tyreek had 1799. Hey, whoo.

But he also had another 1700 yard catch season. But okay, the bucks beat the Panthers about the score of 16. 14. Now the Panthers need the Falcons to beat the Saints to force a three-way tie with them. And eight and nine, that would give the division to carry a lot of via the tiebreaker. The Buccaneers need the saint playing without Chris Oliva. He has blood clots, Alvin Kamara, near an ankle to get to get a win or tied to claim the fifth straight NFC type,

NFC South title despite winning only two other final three games. Bryce Young says it'll be a tough one. Might not even watch, to be honest with you. Hey, man, listen, I'm never one to really complain, right? I'm never one to really complain. But with the officiating, now, if I'm not mistaken, the refs, they all get graded, you know. So if the refuted on their performance, on how they did on officiating the game and calling a game fair, you know, I mean, the rest would have got a D or F the night.

They would, they would have got a D or F tonight. I think they are the reason. I can call multiple plays. We had on McMillan pass interference that wasn't a pass interference. Every January, we're encouraged to start over. But what if this year is about slowing down and learning how to understand ourselves more deeply? What if this year is about giving ourselves permission to feel what we've been holding

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called on on the defense on the guy tripped himself k a dot and tripped his own and even if even if the d't had tripped him or so for it to be tripping it has to be exactly so i was getting ready to say yeah the one on k aden i mean that that's ridiculous i'm like what are we watching what are we doing and and we always talk about you know what people think you know games are rigged and and when you see stuff like this and this is coming from a former player i understand this is one thing to call the game fair if something is egregious you know throwing the flag for it but actually it it looks as if the refs don't even know the game they don't even know the rules that they're in favor of the bucks now listen the bucks won the game i'm not complaining about that but let's like come on

now call the game fair like what i saw tonight from the officiating i hope i don't get fine but that that was ridiculous i mean they should be ashamed of themselves it was it was uh And the thing, if we haven't learned anything, Rico Dowdo, you saw what just happened in two, three weeks ago. It was a lateral pass. The guy picked it up. He was in the end zone, so there's really nothing to do. Why didn't you just pick it up and just take off running?

Make them, make them, I get it. That was a lateral. Do you not? I guess because he didn't realize where the ball had come from. But that was a lateral. I was like, that's a lateral. I agree with you, Ocho, you kick that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, come on now. Come on, official, what are we doing?

Come on now. Really? K'd Aught and tripped himself. He tripped himself. That man didn't touch it. And you call P.I. And even if he had, it's incidental. How many times Ocho have you gotten tripped?

I've gotten tripped. And I was like, man, he tripped me. That's incidental. The legs got tangled. Yeah. I mean. And I agree, Ocho. And, you know, you and I played the game and, like,

I hate when people say that, but, man, something to the thing, I'm like, bro, I don't know what y'all saw on that one. I really don't know what y'all saw on that. Not at all. That was not PI. That was not, that was not defensive PI on Carolina. K-Dut and tripped them damn self. I tweeted Ocho, look, the flea flicker.

I get it. It was a horrible time you backed up to throw it to call that. But Ocho, what do I always say? do not make a bad situation worse. If it is a bad call, just jump on the football. Why are you in those conditions? I was thinking I say the same thing.

Listen, you already, with them little ass hands he got, he makes it seem like he back a George or Kauai. He's trying to pick the ball up with one hand. Bro, you five, nine. So I know you got small ass hands. I don't, I listen. I don't.

In the rain, just jump on it. What happened. I don't know if he, If he's not to remember, Drew Reeves, try to dive in until a pile on a fumble. And his arm went around like, yeah. You get your shoulder dislocated. You get your shoulder separated, bro.

Just jump on the football. Be smart. Don't make a bad. Coach said this many years ago, Ocho. Guy ran the wrong route. The quarterback tried to throw it to him, got him picked. He said, son, why would you make a bad situation worse? He had already run the wrong route.

Don't you exacerbate it by throwing him in the ball and got it. pick. It was a horrible call. We all agree it was a horrible call, which was made worse by him trying to pick the ball up with one hand when it's raining. I guess he ain't never, he's from California, so I know he ain't never chased no grease pig. So he ain't been to the county fair or nothing like that. Yeah. Damn, man. Hey, I was, I don't know. But it's stuff, oh, Cho, it's stuff like that that gets you frustrated. Bryce Young is playing, Bryce Young is never played any other position. It's hard for me to believe that he played any other than

position at his size other than quarterback. That's it. Some things is QB one-on-one. It's basic. You open? Okay. Just dive on the ball, son. Now, if it's four down, I get it.

I got to try to make a play on your job. Because it's going to end anyway. But in that situation, no, you dive on the football. You dive on the football. I agree. Why would you call, why would you call? In Clement Weather. why would you have more than another one look first of all the center quarterback exchange is hard enough

you had seen baker trip almost a phone of the ball you see him trip the guy and you guys are tripping over each other so you want to hand it to the running back okay take it from the center hand it to the running back have the running back rico don't know over the place i don't know why he i don't know why ohcho they go out there in that situation you need seven stuff you got You got to have a man. What are y'all doing? And then you spat it. Oh, Joe, with the,

Hey, it makes it worse. With some speed bottoms. And then you're going to put on a spat. And you wonder why you slip it. First of all, you're on your heels. They really, I don't give it down what kind of cliques you got. They only got four spikes in the back. There's a reason why they got all those spikes in the front,

because they want you to put your weight on the front, your balls on your feet. I don't know why. I shouldn't have to tell you that. Hell, you've been playing long. when you've been playing football for 10, 15 years, at least. But I, I don't, I don't get it. I just don't get the simple stuff.

Bryce Young, I just want to know. I would like to hear what, Bryce, tell me what you was thinking. On that one on that, on that place. It's raining, it's raining. I get it. It is a horrible call, chat. It's a terrible call. Under those conditions,

you, you're trying to pick the ball up with them little teeny tiny ass hands. in the rain. Yeah, that was a horrible play call. Listen, if I was Bryce, if I was Bryce on, I would overturned it. I would overruled it. I would have called something else. He can, he don't got that,

he don't got that kind of problem. You backed up in your own area. Why would you call the trick play? Knowing that they've been, they've been able to get pressure all goddamn game long. And you call something like that back, come on, man. Come on.

That's not good football. especially with the conditions and the elements that we're playing in. It's already difficult to run our offense as it is. It's already difficult to run the ball. It's already difficult to keep your balance. It's already difficult to throw the ball. But hey, come on, let's try some trickery. Made no sense.

Yeah, I got you. It's like if you speed, okay, you speed, Nocho. You already dare to wrong. What can I do to make the situation worse? Argue with the cops. I'm already wrong. I've already created an opportunity. It's already a bad situation.

Now, you realize he's everything. He's a judge, he's a lawyer, he's everything, because he got the badge and he got the gun, he got the mace, he got the taser, he got all that issue, the nightstick, all that. Why would you make, why would you make a bad situation? Go ahead and take the ticket and argue all this in front of a judge.

Make it easy. You already, it's already a horrible play, Ocho, just take the loss of a six yards, move on. to the next play. That's my only point. Again, it's a horrible call,

but don't make it worse. Carolina's both that already won this division. You got a 173 lead, and you blow that against New Orleans. You keep dilly-dalling around, and you blow that. So if you don't win the division, I'll watch it this game,

And I was looking at a Carolina coach. I said, damn, when did Carson Palmer start calling plays? I said, oh, that man looked like Carson. I thought that was Carson Palmer for a second. A little bit. He do. He do. I said, dang.

I said, oh, I guess Ocho about to get a job. Now he's been to go in Carolina, be the receiver coach. If opportunity presented itself, especially in Carolina, how that's your boy? No, you know, I ain't coached you. I ain't coached no way. Oh, I'm so glad you just mentioned that. Now let me tell you how God work now It's 20 is 20 26

Let me tell you how convenient it is There's an opening for a head coach Vagency that is soon to come Guess where it's at Where on the street from you? He won and done Oh P-Cow? What you're trying to do?

I ain't trying to do You show? Because you know it ain't It ain't nothing for me to put a call to the Mark Davis now. Oh, Joe. Have you seen that team play? Do you understand what you could do for that team, despite what you've seen? I can't do nothing.

Huh? I need, I'm going to need, how many picks old? If I get a pick every round, that's seven picks. So I need three picks per round. Damn, just to turn the program around? Yes. That's messed up, huh? Oh, Joe, they're not good.

They're not good. They just need the right. No, they don't. They need the right tutelage. They don't. And Max Crosby goes probably going to be gone. He's gone. Because he ticked off.

He ticked off. I'm sending him to the highest bidder. Oh, Cho, you got to build this thing. You got to build it back on. Yeah, from the ground, from the ground up. Hey, for a, from the root to the tutor. Yeah, you got to. It's, it is what it is.

It is what it is. you just got to start you got to start from scratch you got to start from scratch they don't I mean they need a quarterback they got Brock Bowers they got Ashton Genti the offensive line is not good they need a receiver they traded the best receiver which Brock Bowers is the best receiver but he's a tight end but I'm talking about best receiver outside or slot outside Jacoby Miles with their best receiver they traded him okay they're gonna get a third or fourth round pick let's see what they can do with it.

Defensively, those corners, the safeties, they got one player. I'll take off the defense. Who? Cross. Max, that's it? Yeah. I take Cosmo.

Cros. That's it. Huh? You're right. You're right. I let it go. I let it go. You're right.

Damn, man. They, they, they, they, they, hey, so, and you, you letting Gino go to? I need a quarter. He got nothing to work with, huh? Outside of Brock. Hey, all I know, hey, what did, uh, what did, uh, Sam Darno do with the same players he had? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, hey, uh, what, hey. Oh, now, I don't, now, maybe Jackson, maybe JSC wasn't there last year. Maybe Charbonneau, maybe Kenneth Walker. Maybe they weren't there last year. He was with D.K. He was with D.K. and, uh, my young boy, the preacher. So you need to tell me he had Smith and Jigma and D. And Chabber and Kahnow and Kenna Walker?

What's, what's my young boy? Quiet Boy. Tyler Locket. Yeah. Tyler Locket. Yeah. I like, I liked him.

So you mean to tell me he had all that and couldn't do nothing? Yeah. Yeah. J.S. J.S. wasn't eating like that because most of the targets were going to D.K. and Tyler. He wasn't feeding him like that. Hey.

Hey, you see, but you see that. You want something to grow? You got to feed him. I've never seen anything that wouldn't grow that you wouldn't feed. Yeah. Oh, you've never been not. So you know when you grow on the farm.

But when they want to, When they want to start a pig, they put him up, they put him in a pin, and they just feed it. He thinks he eating good. He's like, yeah, y'all ain't getting this good old slot like me. Yeah, they said, okay, there's a reason why you're getting it. He's getting fat and don't even know it. Don't know at all.

In a chicken house, they leave the lights on. Chicken to eat long as he like. Hey, for you eating. That's why they turn it around so quick. Yeah, I didn't know that. Okay. I know you did. I just learned some.

But see, that's the thing. So he had to feed him. Look, for Gino to leave New York and to become a pro bowl and throw for 4,000 yards, it's a miracle. So it just goes to show you that the Jets systematically, organizationally, is not really good for developing its players, especially the quarterback. Because we've seen quarterbacks leave there and look competent.

But with that being said, I'm getting everything. I need everything. What can I get for Max Trivi? I know for certain I can get a quarterback. and I can get a first and a third at the bare minimum. You can get a lot for Max. How old is he? He can't be 30.

He's probably like 28. Is it? 29. Yes. He's 28. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, I get a first in the third this year, and I'm going to need a second next year.

You're talking about the guy that's been to three, four straight pro bowls. He's been a second team. He's been an all pro. I think he's been like a second team. I don't think he's been first team. Hey, boy, if Jerry Jones make a move for goddamn for Max, hold on. But see, here's the thing. And guess what, Joe?

Jerry won him. Everybody else wanted to. So what does that do? You get into a bed and war. Yeah. There you see. Raise your head. Keep going.

All the way up. But hold on. Hey, you know, you know what would be a nice move that could really shock the world. Hey, Jerry, are you really serious about turning this thing around? Go ahead and get 95 from Cleveland. He ain't got that kind of draft capital because he's going to take all those two first round pick. Well, well, he had to get one of them up. But he still has two because he got one from Michael this year and one from next year.

So you wouldn't do it? What would you do? No. It'll take it. It'll take at least, at least three and some other players. Two ones and a three. We talk about. You're talking about the best defensive player in football.

And he's not 30. With a star on it. I need three. I need three for one. I need three ones, a two and a four. Damn, huh? Okay, now you're being greedy. Ocho, because I, see, think about what you trade.

Think about what the 49ers traded to get an unknown. I'm talking about a guy that's never not had more than 10, uh, think about it. He's been, he's been in the league less than 12, 10 years and he has 125 sacks. May I give you 13 sacks a season. He's on the cusp of going 23 breaking the record. Yes, that's what I'm going to do. you I don't want to get rid of him.

You want it. Hold on. Now make me selling. Hey, but listen to me. Or trade him. I don't want people because of, oh, you talk about you see, you see how he talking,

Uncle Ocho talking about selling to me. But I'm just saying, if you did bad with him, that mean you can do bad without him. So you know, you understand you're in a rebuilding stage. You can get so much value for him right now. Cleveland gets so much value for him right now.

And then also in turn, give him a chance and what he really wants. He wants to win. He wants the opportunity and a chance to win and go to a winning team. Now I'm not saying I mean, you know what? You don't want to give me three in Chicago. Miles Garrett is available.

Okay. Now since you don't want to get Seattle, Miles Garrett is available. Since you want to be greedy, you want to try to hold on all your picks, I'm putting him up to the highest bill. Hey, chat. And guess what? Teams that got the least, they'll trade the most.

Chat, talk to me. What would you like to see miles go? I'm just saying, hypothetically speaking, if the opportunity presented itself, Cowboys, Seattle, what? Can you imagine him in Seattle on that turf with that 12th man? That wouldn't be fair. Or put him in Chicago.

Okay, that's not fair either. Man, how they're going to get the ball off? And plus, guess what? The Eagles already tried to put a bid on them land. Yes, yeah. That's right. What if he goes to the Eagles? The Eagles, see, the Eagles got the most to offer because they got young players.

And they got, and they got picks. Hey, listen, you know, you know, Lurie. I might be, I might be tempted for two first rounders. And if I could get, you know, one of the more detackles from you and, you know, hey, maybe you're willing to throw in Cooper de Janeiro. I mean, I'm just saying, just a couple of young players or I need picks. So who you want? You, Miles Garrett to the Eagles.

you get two first rounds and Joy and Davis. I think they'll do that. I think they'll be willing to do that. There we go. There we go. I like that. I like that. I think they'd be willing to do that.

But somebody's going to put a, look, Fibodeau is going to be available. He's a premium pass rush. He's got his head double digit sacks. Now, he's been nicked, but I don't see a scenario where he returns to the Giants. Because they drafted Abdul Carter, third in the draft and they got Brian Burns

who's going to the Pro Bowl who has like 14 a half 15 sack. So I don't see a scenario where Thibito comes back, Ocho. Hey, we might get Thibito down in old Cincinnati, huh? There's a possibility. It's not going to be cheap, Ocho. Y'all got to spend money, man. Joe don't put the word out.

Joe don't put the word out, man. Joe not playing. One thing you don't want, management does not want their franchise quarterback upset. The message was loud and clear. Now he said it in a way where it's goddamn cryptic, but those who understand, if you know, you know. If you know, you know, it doesn't need to be explained. And I sent Jeffrey Simmons a message on Instagrams.

He didn't respond. I don't like that. I don't like to be ignored. I know he saw it. Or maybe he didn't see it. Yeah, Jeffrey Simmons, if you see this, I know you, I know you watch the show because there are all you all you all y'all watch the show. I see you in Cincinnati next year.

all right well maybe some time this off season yeah oh Joe I'm trying to figure out and I'm looking like you know when they say it was a lateral and the official said the ball went out of bounds Rico Donald picked the ball up hands what do you mean it went out of bounds

it didn't but that's what the official said and I'm looking at my hold on I messed my whole TV up trying to go back I went back to the damn starting the game I had to go down I don't know how I work on Joe. You know, I guess you could like live TV, you could rewind it just a little bit.

Man, I tried to do that. I went all the way back to the front of the game. I had to come downstairs to watch TV on. Because I'm looking at home. What did they mean? It went out about the ball ruled dead. First of all, the official was right there. He ruled it incomplete.

I thought it was like, I saw the side judge looking right there. He's like, incomplete. I'm like, that's a lateral. And then he came on to say, the ball went out of bounds. It didn't go out of bounds. I don't know what they was looking at, but I know one thing,

I'm not one to criticize referees, but come on now, come on now. If they were greater tonight, they got to have a DRF. Ain't no explanation. Now, guarantee you, watch the NFL or Mike Pereira,

watch them come out and say there was some calls that we missed and we apologize. I guarantee you, I guarantee that happened. Watch, Monday morning. Yes. I'm looking at the guy,

I'm looking at Allen, who's the official, and I'm like, what do you mean the ball went out of bounds? I'm looking, go back and look at it. You can see it playing this day. If I'm not mistaken, I think it was a black guy. He's doing, he's like incomplete. I'm like, but that's a lateral.

It's like, oh my goodness. It's almost as if they don't know the game. Damn near. Oh, Cho, this is what Alan said and was asking after the game where the erroneous whistle was blown, which should have given the path of the choice to replay the down. What was reported to me was the ruling on the field was a backwards pass.

And once it was possessed, the receiver or runner gave himself up, which by rule caused the play to become dead. Because of the erroneous whistle, the Panther could have had a choice of a replay, but down. Well, but see, Ocho, that's why you see guys always, they get the ball and take off running. Bloded with a way. You can, I can come back.

But see, that's what I'm saying. He should have just picked it up. But he, but see, no, it didn't. he ruled it incomplete as soon as the ball hit the ground the official ruled incomplete but that's not what you said they ain't listen they're not even on the same page that's how you know something ain't right but he did when he picked the ball up and they do it anything

it's like giving yourself up so right yeah absolutely yeah I don't want no second and 16 okay yeah right right right he said what was relayed to him. Well, who relayed that? I say, y'all get calls from Sikakis all the time. Why didn't why didn't you get that call? Because if given a choice to replay it don't show, you won't first and

and ten or second and sixteen. First and ten. Hold on. Let me get some of this liquor real quick. Yeah, this was anytime a game is this close uh, you know, you know, it's a, what, a 14, 16. team ball game

and the call the the egregiousness of the calls that and the people like well see this is what I'm talking about and I get it

I get it when you're in it when you play it those thoughts never come across your mind I promise you I never I never thought like damn I was like man

that was a bad call but now when I just see this stuff just like bro what What the hell? When you say the man tripped, then the man tripped over his own damn feet.

And you call that PI. But that's, that's, but congratulations to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You know, I'm not hating, you know, I'm not hating. I'm just saying,

I mean, even as a fan, if you're a Bucks fan and you saw what you're saying, I know you want to go, you want to rule for your team, but if you agree with some of those calls you saw tonight, then like, come on now.

Come on now. No. and like I said, there are three or four calls and they were so obvious. You got to give them a down. The ball, who relayed that the ball would have? Okay, who relayed that? Clearly it was a lateral.

You said incomplete. Give them an opportunity to play the down over. I'm sure they would have taken first and 10 as opposed to second and 16. Yeah. I mean, those are times that I wish Sikakis would intervene give them an opportunity to replay, blah, blah, blah, so forth and so

and let them replay the down. Because what happened, it was a lateral. It was ruled incomplete. It was the same thing that happened in Seattle and the Rams. The only difference is, Ocho, Sharbono picked them all up in the end zone. So you didn't have no choice, but to give him the two-point play,

even though they had ruled it done. They had ruled it dead. And see, they go back and review it. Why don't y'all go back and review that? You know why? Damn shame. Also, even if Bryce Young leads the Panthers to the playoffs, the organization might not be ready to commit long term.

The Panthers have a decision to make on the Young fifth year option. ESP and Jeremy Fowler reported Sunday that the expectation, the expectation is that the Panthers will pick up the option, but for now they're not considering a long-term deal. Absolutely not. A long-term deal is somewhere between $50 and $65 million. I'm not giving them that. Yeah, I'm sure.

I'm going to pick up that option for 26. The Panther will pick up Bryce Young's fifth year option for 26.5 million, which is a serious bargain for a quarterback in the market. That would put him under contract until 2027, but would then most likely want to see more. The brain chefs will get together this offseason and look at the full body of work over the last two years and fill it out. What he could do? They're open to them long term, but I don't expect the fifth year deal, a five year deal to come. in the next couple of months.

I don't either. You know, honestly, when you think about it on, I understand him, not wanting to give him 50, 55 million, but he can have a team-friendly contract similar to that of Sam Donald, you know, depending on how he looks next year. If you pick up that fifth-year option, I think if you continue to build and put pieces around Bryce Young, I think he can be competent. And he's shown he's shown he can be the guy for that team. I mean, he's not Josh Allen, he's not Lamar Jackson, not Joe Burrow, but for the

Carolina Panthers, Bryce Young is the answer. All you have to do is continue to put pieces around him and he will be fine. When he was at Alabama, he was just fine. Why was he fine in Alabama? Because look at what he had around him.

Just continue to build, huh? I mean, he's never going to be... He's just so damn small, Ocho. Tell me the guy that you've seen that size, that height,

that size, Ocho, he ain't 100, he might be 180. Fred. He's, Fred Tarkerton. Fred Targerton was tall. Fred Targerton was tall. Fray and Target was like 6-1.

Bryce Young, 6-1. Bryce Young, 5-9. 5-9. 5-9, 185. The Arizona Cardinals didn't have no problem paying Kyle and Murray. How that worked that for him. I'm glad you brought in those. See how I do that on you?

Chad, you see how I do it, Chad. He's earned that. He's earned that. especially since he's been bench and the way he's been playing, who else could have came in? Listen, they're 9 and 7. Well, after tonight game, they're 9 and 8. They're 9 and 8.

I don't see another quarterback out there that could have come on this team and done what he's done. I don't see anybody in the draft. I agree. That's that promising that can come in and change the face of the organization and take Bryce Young's spot and do that much better. I think Young Bull has earned the right to be, to get a long-term deer.

It doesn't have to be Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson numbers. It could be something safe. Oh, Joe, but see, that's not what his agent is thinking, because what you're trying to do, you're not trying to stop the market, you're trying to extend it. So what you do? Now that, no, no, now, see,

now his agent, don't be like that. The agent should not be trying to reset the market when you know you don't have a reset the market-type quarterback. He's not in a reset-the-market-type position. You're not. I agree. Let's play fair. Let's let's be realistic.

I want him to get his money, you know. But come on, now. They list Bryce Young at 5'10. If they list you at 510, Ocho, how tall are you actually? Probably 5.5.9. 5.8.5. He ain't, boy, boy, look here. 2.0.O.O., you think that man outwe you?

Me? I'm 210 right now. I doubt that. So you think he 5? pounds less than you at 5.9. How much do you think he is? By what? I mean, honestly. I'm asking you. I think he honestly, he's probably about maybe 190.

185, 190. He might probably 190. 185 190 max. You know, he's good. He's good at their size. He was that size of Alabama, you know? And he's- Yes. And there are a lot of quarterbacks that play well at college that didn't do well in the NFL.

I like that. What's the dude? Sam Bramford. He won a Heisman trophy. Jason White won a Heisman trophy. Eric Crouch, what a husband trophy. Tim Tebow won a Heisman trophy. There are a lot of guys that played really, really well in college.

Just because you play well in college doesn't mean it's going to translate. It's translated. What about Tavon Austin? Did his translate? He was, he's electric in college. Yeah, he was, yeah. Must see TV. Hmm.

Hey. I really would like to know I really would like to put a scale I would like to see him I mean Ocho he is a thin thin he I mean

Ocho look at him I'm trying to think in chat y'all y'all forgive me chat maybe y'all can help me out I'm trying to think of quarterbacks that have been in the NFL that have been similar to Bryce Young's size

Doug Flutty Bingo there we go What you mean Bingo You're putting your hopes on Doug Flutty Man, Doug, Doug Flutty were nice, Unk. Doug Flutie has some moments now.

Ocho, I'm not paying you no damn $60 million for no damn moments. See, you're going to 60. I told you, I say he can be somewhere between. Okay, so how much should I, how much, what's the going rate? Listen, for Bryce Young, 35 a year. 35 year, that's team friendly. Yeah. That ain't bad.

That's good. That good money there, huh? Yeah. What you think? No. I don't know if you take it, but it sounds like good money. How much, look and see, Drew Breeze. How much did Drew Reeze weigh?

Drew Breeze was sturdy built. Drew Breeze was 205-20-10. Drew Greene, big bone, huh? That don't count. He big-boned. So, so y'all, now of all the quarterbacks, Drew Breed is going to be the smallest quarterback ever to enter into the Hall of Fame. In the 100-plus year history.

Drew probably about five level. Yeah, he's not tall at all. Hell, he didn't look tall. Every time he tried to throw it, it looked like he was looking over the line to make the past. He was saying his help is sitting on top of his head like that right there,

so he's seeing a funded space mask. Ah, man. I mean, Bryston put the work in, man. He deserves his day. He deserves his day. He doesn't talk about Warren Moon. Warnham.

Warnham. Tall, tall his hair. He is tall as hell. I played with Warren, played against him, with the Pro Bowls with him. Warren moved like 6, 3, like 2.25. I don't know why y'all thought Warren was small.

Yeah, Russ is, but y'all see how Stocky Roy, uh, uh, uh, Russ Bill. Russ, Russ, Bruce, Rust, Bill, Russ Beard like a small one almost. Oh, yes. Do y'all see how, y'all looking at Russ.

Y'all see Bryce Young. They're not comparable as far as size. They might be comparable as far as height, but size. That's what I'm saying. Look, his height is what he is. But he need to gain some weight. No, he can't gain.

He can't gain no weight. I mean, his frame is really not conducive for weight. His frame is his frame. And him actually putting on weight that might do more harm than good. It might do more harm than good. I think for for Bryce, he's the size he's going to be. The way his frame is, you can only put on so much. muscle, if anything, he just need to be able to lift and get as strong as possible to prevent

himself from getting hurt and to be able to withstand and let. Hold on, he's been available. He's been available at his size. I'm looking at, look at Russ from waist down. Look at, look at Bryce Young from ways down. Now you tell me that. No, completely different. Completely different. Completely different body types. Russ, Russ and Drew Reeves are more simple. Right. Right. similar. Mm-hmm. Hold on. Oh, I agree with your, Ocho, but I, and I, I got one for you.

Lamar Jackson is thin. He's just a little taller and obviously he's much faster than Bryce Young. You do realize Lamar played at 225 one year and he dropped back down to 215, right? Yeah, Lamar was that big? Yes. Remember he lost all that weight? Remember how Lamar came out there and all was like, you're like, damn. Hey, hold on, uh, 220, 220.

Yeah, so Mar had got him like 225, 230. That 225 is T.O size, on, come on now. I'm telling you, go back in look at it. Hey, Chad, somebody got, somebody got to show me a picture that 225. But also look how tall Lamar is. Lamar, how much in Lamar Jackson way now? He's probably 215, right now, but Lamar was like 225, 230 a couple years ago. Yeah, Mike.

Hey, boy, I don't, I remember that. And yes. Yeah, I don't remember that. He listened to 205. What was a couple of years? We won't be able to find that out. What's up? I mean, Lamar's a, oh, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

I mean, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just speaking on body type. In 2020, Ocho, he was 230, 215 and 23. He dropped down to 205. I told you. Yes. Man, you don't remember when he came, he showed back up for OTA. And he was slow. And Lamar had, had, had,

Yes. I thought it was just in the weight room. I ain't, you know, I ain't, damn. That's crazy. But when you, but when you, when you, when you have height, you can put some weight on. Pat Riley was telling the story that when they traded for Shaq, when Shaq showed up he put him on the scale, Shaq was 383. Oh, 383. Man, do you not, you see Shaq in person?

Yeah, but three. Is Shaq not the biggest man you've ever seen in person? How much did Desmond was? Watson weight. Okay, okay, okay, okay. 440. But he doesn't have the high, but he's tall. He's six four.

No, seven one. Okay. That's why basketball players, they can put on weight like that. You see Big Baby. Oh, yeah, yeah. He looks short on the court, though. Man, Big Baby like six four, six, five.

That's that short to you? You do realize Miles Garrett like six four. Yeah, but six four. That's short in for NBA, NBA, NBA, we talk about NBA, though. Shit, Steph Curry, six three. Hey, chat. Go to the Ravens.com and look it up.

No, but Shaq said one time he was 400. Shack, if, Ocho, do you realize? I mean, look at the big show. Okay, now that's a big boy. Okay, so he's shaking tall and tall in him. Okay. So imagine Andre the Giant. I mean, I wish I could have seen Andre the Giant to really,

because when you're a kid and you see somebody that tall, everybody looked beat. But Andre Jean was seven with seven four five hundred five twenty five Andre the giant remember Andre the giant and Hope Hogan had that wrestling match. Yeah, I was that was a classic. That's I mean you I mean like I said I wish I could see him now to really get a true sense of just how big he was because when you like five six years old, everybody look big old Cho so you don't really you don't really get a sense of just how big the giant ears.

How tall they list Big Baby at? They said Big Baby like 6-7, Ocho. Damn. They got Big Baby listed at 6-9, Ocho. Damn. Hey, Unk. So that means he really 6'8. But think about it.

But see, when Big Baby came out, even at like 19, look how solid he was. Big boy? Yes. Damn. Hey, you know, man, them, I almost said the N-word. But them boys be so,

tall in the NBA boy yes so you could like the only guy ain't got to ever worry about nothing is Kevin Durant Karen never never be no Kevin Durant is going to be like three you know what he'd be 60 70 80 years old you know who's going to be like that too wimby who did be huh yes okay but can you imagine if wimby game could games away women be five hundred you know what when I think about it yonis came in and yonis looked like Kevin derran and wimby at one point and he put on muscle. Yeah. Because Yonis wasn't going to be able to shoot the ball like Kevin Durant.

So he had to be able to get down here. Kevin the Rand said, I ain't trying to bang with you guys. I'm going to stay right out here, shoot these threes, take you down to the block. You should get to the middy. If I need to get to the rim, I will, but I don't need to do all that.

Again, look at Zion. Hey, boy, if he could lose, he heard again still, huh? I think he's back now. I think he's back. I think he got back. Damn, man. He got Nicked again, but I think he's back.

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