Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: Sebastian Fundora WINS by TKO vs Keith Thurman + Israel Adesanya ON the DECLINE after ANOTHER LOSS + Ocho CHALLENGES Michael Jordan & Charles Oakley

Episode Date: March 29, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Sebastian Fundora defending his middleweight title against Keith Thurman, Joe Pyre TKO’s Israel Adesanya and much more Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 4:05 - Fundora beats Thurman18:00 - Joe Pyfer TKOs Israel Adesanya (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're close. What? We're like 500, 600? We're like 506 short of that magic number of 2,000. And still, two million. What did I say? Oh, two billion. And still, Sebastian Fondora defends his throne with a sixth round TKO.

Fador told Jim Gray after the fight, I was working very hard for this fight. Keith always looked up to him, a Hall of Famer for sure. I just wanted to take my head off to him. That's why I trained and worked so hard to prove to him that the world that I'm the best 154. What the difference in fighting so well from the inside is using its reach at this time? Fandora said it all came down to a motivational quote he read on Instagram. Birds used their wings to fly, so I thought I would use the whole wings. What?

Ocho. He looked bad, Ocho. What happened? I was embarrassed. Hey, Uncle Joe, I was embarrassed. Listen, obviously, when you're going to a fight, especially at this level, when it's the best in the game, obviously Fendora only lost one fight to Mendoza, but you're going with a game plan. You fill each other out the first few rounds.

Yeah. You figure out what you want to do next. When it came to Keith Thurman, um, whatever he had, whatever he had playing and dancing around, knowing you, you on 37-year-old legs,

understanding, that's not going to last you. That's only going to last you so long. You got to gain his respect soon as the fight starred, Uncunjo. You got the gain of respect. They had no point in the fight

was Fondora Ward about Keith Herman's power. Get on. Game plan he came to the fight with. Pandora came out with a goddamn left and caught him right in the middle of the face. That was it. And that was it right there.

Yeah. That was it. Yeah. If you're going to fight somebody that tall who the best thing you can do is fight at distance, smother the punches, fight on the inside. He did smother him with his damn face. He smothered him.

Hey. If you're going to fight somebody that tall. Oh, Joe, before you go to father, You say come out with a game playing. Hell, it looked like he crammed the night before the test. You know what I'm saying? Joe, he didn't study at all. I'm like, what the hell?

I'm late forever. What the hell are you doing? Hey. Uncle, Joe, is one thing to understand what he should do. It's another thing to actually be able to execute it in the ring was somebody, that goddamn tall, that goddamn long, pause. But you got to make a fight like that ugly against somebody like that. You got to making them uncomfortable.

Because fighting that distance ain't it. No, not that man that size. And he were pinging him. He was pinging him all night. You were that jab at South Park. Hey, look, and that's what I'm trying to tell y'all because of the height disparity, Anka-Ocho. So that'd be similar to me and you boxing.

You see how them boxing? No, for real, you see the wild punches, Thurham and had to throw just to even try to connect one? Right, right. Like, you know, and then he's like, man, I got to come up in here. So he had to take a couple lumps. Yeah, those couple of bumps, I'm going. almost sent to the canvas, man.

It did. Hey, look, that's why I hit you, that's why I hit you an unc. After the fourth round, I said, oh, yeah, this man, he ain't going to make it. He ain't going to make it. I thought he was going to get him in the seven. I said, by seven round, he's going to be out of that. Joe, he said, he did.

He did. He said, oh, he's a hook. He said, Thurban ain't looking good. Yeah, Joe, he did. Hey, but Joe, there's a different, though, Joe. You got to understand, see. What? You ain't going to make it that far. What? Joe, you ain't got the conditioning for that.

Hold on. And you know, you can't throw, you can't throw punches and volume in the goddamn ring, Joe. Hey, that's, that's all I need is for you to doubt me. Hey, hey, hey, you seen how Thurman was on that damn bicycle all night? That's how your ass going to be. On that, at 37, you can't be on the bicycle. You didn't get them. That's a 20, that's a 27, 30-year-old leg.

Yeah, not 37. Oh, that man was on what you're saying. His game plan should have looked. I can't, ain't no way I'm going to stand on the end of these damn punches. Oh, no. You better get your, hey, come all the way in the house. You stand on the damn porch talking to that man. He walked, walk, walk, walk.

Yeah. Hey, break your ass in the house. Either get your ass off the porch or talk to that man from the road. Call him on the phone. But you're going to get your ass in that phone booth. Yeah. Hey, when I say this, you got to take, you got to take some of that pop. If you want the end of those punches, there's no way you're going to make it.

It hurt. Hell you. But, also, like you said, this man. I don't know what he thought. He walked right out there, that man hit him dead in the damn face. Hey, the first punching through was clean. You know, normally,

normally they throw something. They just trying to feel you out. They just trying to get their arms warm. They're trying to get their arms loose. They ain't really trying to land nothing heavy. And I'm not being damn if the man didn't walk right into a punch with his damn face. Okay, Ojo.

Yeah. He didn't look like he. It didn't look like one time Thurman was in great condition. asked me. He didn't look like he. I mean, I know he was in shape, but to be running how he was running. Yeah. Hey, Joe, he got to do something. You got to do something, man. I mean, if you're not going to make the fight ugly, your only other option is to build your bicycle and pick and choose when to go in there. Because every time you go in and you're going to take something going in, Oh, Joe. You remember the Jake Paul fight when he got on that bicycle? You can't run on that bicycle like

that. That ain't, that ain't your game. I mean, do you understand how, how great a shape that you actually got to be in to get on a bicycle and throw punches? Man. I mean, at 37, at 37, you shouldn't be doing that. You've got to have a different game plan. If, if anything, Fondora lost the Mendoza, right? Mendoza made the fight ugly. He made it ugly, and he wasn't on the end of those punches. He fought mid-range, in close, it made it nasty. Yeah. Yes. He made it nasty. Yeah. Furman should have left this fight alone. Let's be all the way real, Ocho.

Furman should have left this fight alone. I think so? And the word of Teddy KGB, what he told him at, this was no good for you. Hey, hey. Hey, uh, he had a long layoff too, Joe. Huh? Yeah.

We had two fights in the past six years. Yeah, man, he don't even look to say, I guess, because without the braids, I'm like, man, what term is this? No, straight up, he came out He came out of that fifth round Right after I hit you out He gave a little flurry real quick

It was like a quick three-pee Pop-B-B-B-B-B-B-B. After that, Mendoza A I mean, not Mendoza, uh, Fadour. He got right back, right back to that jab. But that's really the hard part, Ocho, and you know that at somebody that box is that you know as you get older,

it gets harder to throw that volume of punches. You got to be smart. You got to be smart. But you got to get the guy's attention. If you don't get his attention, if he don't think you can, if he don't feel that you, your pop, that you got any snap on those punches,

he's walking through those. You done. You done all of you done. You see the difference with Canelo and Bud? Oh, you see, hey, he, bud touched him. He's like, I ain't walking up in here. I got to be careful. Hey, I tried the front, though.

Let me see if a window or a back door is unlocked. I ain't coming in this damn front. Hey, hey. I understand what y'all's saying. But when you look at the height disparity, bro, 6-6, Uncle Ocho, like he's probably what the tallest champion has been in a while. And that, in that division, at 154? That's what I'm saying, who?

Who's going to be able to challenge that man and be able to get in there and be able to really defeat him? That's going to be, man, it didn't even look. Tonight, it looked like it was child's play. I can tell you one person, Joe. Who? Charlo. You think Charlo?

get in there and do something with it? Absolutely, because it has to be. But Charlo will have to be able to take some punches now. That's what I'm saying. Because here's the thing, the Ocho, we saw part Charlo fight against Canelo and he felt Canelo power. I'm talking about the other Charlo, Big Charlo. Oh, okay.

Yeah, 154. Look, Ocho, you remember Paul Williams? He's the only guy that I can remember that was- But you're talking about Big Paul, but he's like six, four. I'm talking about like, I think he was like 147. Yeah, you thought like- I can't remember a guy at 54 this tall. Normally you get guys this tall, man, they're heavyweights. They're not down 154, 147.

Man. Do you know, first of all, at 6-6-154, bro, you eat, you, you eat, an oatmeal and soup all day, every day, year-round. You got a 6-6-frame, Ocho, you know how much what you can put on a 6-6 frame? Yeah, yeah. So for him to make 154, he probably not, he's not a naturally big guy anyway. Yeah, he's probably, I would say at 6-6, he's. probably walking around it probably like 180.

Yeah. But still, at the end of them punches, hey, if you don't get inside and make him shorten them punches and you're going to let him just snap off on you? Yeah, he's going to kill you every time. He's going to pick you apart. Hey, hey. Hey, Joe.

If he fights somebody, that's heavy-handed, like a Charlo. That's the only person I can think of right now at once before. That would be a good fight because they were supposed to fight at some point. I saw the news about them fighting. It never happened. It never came to fruition.

But if Charlo catch him with one of the best jabbed in the business, he'd get that respect. It's going to be a different ballgame. And Charlo has no problem making it ugly and fighting on the inside. Hey, I know one thing. I know one thing. What's my man who Fendor, Thurman? Yeah.

He better be thanking the referee tonight. Because he was going to be blue-black tonight, partner. Hey, I'm talking about, okay, Ojo. He's about to get some serious. He was going to hit the canvas. Yeah, it was for to be open. All that blood starts leaking. He's a holland-by, he's tough.

Yeah, tough, man. You better go sit down somewhere. Yeah, hey. Yeah. And the thing is, as a professional athlete, when you're in the fight game, because when that thing go, it goes quick. Ooh.

You look bad in a hurry. Yeah. Especially because these guys are younger, they're stronger, they're faster. It's different. now. And yeah, I understand, I understand Fendor. He's everything that he said, he looked up to the man and the man's going to be a Hall of Famer, but I'm going to beat your ass while you in it. And it's going to look good on my, because guess what, Ocho? I beat Keith Herman. I beat a former champion. Yeah.

Ain't nobody, when we talk about this 15 years now, ain't nobody going to remember, man. Hey, like they said, Joe Lewis with, with a, uh, uh, Rocky Barthano. He was 100 years old. Hey, he beat him. He all that out. He might have been 62 years old, but he beat it. You know what I also I think the problem is Joe, especially for somebody like Keith Thurman and boxing in general, there's a thing called Ring Russ. And you haven't been in there so long. I don't care how much sparring you're doing, you've done, or how many fights you've had. They only have two fights in the past six years. You're not going to be the same, especially coming to the fight opponent, like that.

That caliber. Yeah, that caliber. You know, that's shooting for the stars instead of getting some tuna fights before you go into a fight like that. And I think that's one of the reasons why he looked the way he did. He was overwhelmed. By the time he got past that fourth round and figured out, well, damn, ain't nothing I'm doing is working. And when I do try to, he lunging and jumping and, like, nothing is working.

Yeah, yeah. It was a rap. Hey, hey, I wonder why such a long layoff. Was it a health condition that he had to have surgery or something? What was it, Coach? I don't know. I'm not really sure. Because, like I said, I hadn't heard from him in a while.

Hell, I didn't, because, you know, last time I heard somebody bring his name, what was Clarissa talking about she can beat Keith Thurmond, too. That was the last time I heard somebody mention his name, Ocho. Yeah. And like you said, and I don't care what sport you play. You get good at said sport doing said sport. All that practicing and all that sparring.

It's just like track and field. You can do all the block stars you want. You can do all the conditioning you won't. You better take your ass to the meat. You better go to the Diamond League, the pre-Fontaine. You better go to the, Drake, you better go and get competition against other guys. You got to run.

Other young ladies. Got to run. This right here, two fights in six years, and you come back and fight him? Nah, give me a tomato can. Give me something I can open ease. Give me something I can just peel the top of him. I ain't fooling with this dude. Hey, the waste by damn $75 watching that.

Come on, man. Yeah, I need a refund. You're laughing. I understand. Y'all had all them damn fights. but I need a refund. I need a refund because I basically play $75 for that fight. So at least give me 45 back.

I eat the 30. I thought it was going to be a good fight, man. No, I didn't. Not after I seen him, buddy, and probably after, like, you thought it going to be a good fight? That man come out there and he, bha! No, there ain't going to be no good fight. I knew so much wrong because you never get hit with the first shot, Joe.

Yeah. Clean. at that level, you never get hit with the first shot. Because he got to throw it. Look, y'all see, he got to throw them wild punches just to even try to connect. So buddy probably fly already ready for that. In order for him to hit Fendoza in his head,

he had to throw something wild. Yeah, he got to, yeah. So once he opened up, he just caught him with that left flush. Oh, yeah, it's over with. He ain't going to make it. He ain't going to make it. I'm like, damn.

And I'm looking at this, and I'm like, Really, I was like, I'm like, when I ask who, who looks worse? Did Izzy or Therma look worse? Izzy look horrible. Wait, wait, Izzy for the night too? Then that man knock his ass out. You did?

Serious? Wait, out of sonya, Izzy. Yes, Atta Sonia, Izzy. Damn. I'm so, I'm so focused on boxing. I forgot Izzy was fighting. Joe Fiper, TK. I'm Luke Wilson.

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The fourth round, ground, and pound ended up Sonia's night, and 418 in the second round of their main event. The second round? Hell, it's only three rounds. It wasn't no title estate. Put them powers on that boy, man. Hold on, Joe. Hold on, hold on.

He haven't had to do that. That kid. I ain't know nothing about this kid. Standing up or ground game? Man, that man, he knocked his ass down and beat the brakes off it. Damn. I like I'd like I to sign you, too, man.

Yeah. Mm. The best part about it, it was free. I'd have been really, I'd have really been kicked off of my guy on $150. I'd have called Dana personally. Hey, Dana, bro, I need this back, bro.

I ain't been to hold you, but I need this back because this was some bulljohn. Was it exciting at least? Yeah, if you're a fiber fan. If you're a Piper fan, if you're a Piper fan. Yes, it was very exciting. He heavy-handed, Ocho. He must be really young then.

He must be young and upcoming. DC. like I think this kid was the kid I mean this fighter was like he was ranked like 14th so now after doing what he he destroyed I mean he walked through him he's 29 but he on up there though damn I don't know Izzy ain't want a fight in a while yep because I mean it wasn't it was the last fight that he won he beat a Putain Pieta I think that might have been his last fight that he won that he won I mean him and Pereira went back to back right

yeah Pereira beat him and then he called Pereira and then he teed off on Pierre and knocked them out that might have been the last fight that he won damn man I like I like I like I like him yeah and the thing in the face look this this is why you take your hat off the bones John Jones hey even at his age he different man he different

he different uh he lost to deplet he got defeated he got TKO I mean so he got he got submitted he got T KOTKO in the second round second round he got submitted he lost the unanimous decision to Sean Strickland he knocked out Pietta

so he hadn't won a fight basically in almost two years why goodness no yeah three years almost three years my bad three years his last win was April 8th of 2023 And you know, I mean, and you know it's funny, MMA, UFC is so much different than boxing as opposed to, I mean, losses and having losses on your record are acceptable in a sense because the sport is so much different, it's so much difficult, you know, to stay undefeated.

Does that put a strain on people wanting to see him fight, even though he's had losses back to back and hasn't won in a long time? you can lose, Ocho, but it's how you're losing. People don't, like, bro, he got beat by, uh, uh, he got beat in, in 20, in 25 in 30 seconds of the third in the second round. He got beat, Vifer beat him in the second round, four minutes. He got submitted in the fourth round, a unanimous decision. Now, he beat, uh, Pieta in the second round, but he, I mean, and he ain't got no belt, so it's only going to two, three rounds because it's not a title fight.

Yeah. No, ain't nobody going to want to see that. Dana ain't going to want to see that. Yeah, he's one of the great fighters in the middleweight division. Right. But that's over. At least give me something.

He's still a draw, though, no matter what. If it was like vocal, how he bounced back? Oh, he nice. He didn't bounce back. But I'm asking him, he's still a drawdell, right? Because of who he is based on the name? Yeah, but that's a Dana. Dana is.

He made the call on that, huh? Yeah. I don't think he lets him go. He wants to see. But I mean, but the thing is, is that if you're in the UFC, you don't fight no, ain't no bombs. Them guys good. Everybody.

And they're hungry. And they're trying to use you as a stepping stone. It looks good on their resume. Yeah. TKO, is it? TKO, is it? Submitted, is it? I guess, I mean, it's probably hard to let it go.

But this, for me, Ocho, this ain't a, this ain't a sport that you just hang around. No. You can get, you get hurt in this. Yeah. You get hurt. You get hurt in boxing and UFC. Right. You don't want, you don't think you should hang it up, should he?

I'm just trying to figure out who you think you're going to be. The fighter's getting younger. They're getting better. They're getting stronger. You got to realize. You can't, you're not as fast, you're not as strong. It's the thing is, you know what it is about training? Because the training aspect of it is that when you younger, you can train harder more.

That's how you get better. Mm-hmm. When you're old, things eight, and you're like, you know what, I can't go as hard tomorrow as I could when I was younger. Because I could go back to back to back. And also, you can change with intensity. back to back to back. That's how you got better. You're old, man, I need a day or two off.

Them young boys coming. They come. That's why they say sports is a young man's game. It is. Yeah, listen, unless you play a teen sport where they can hide your weaknesses a little bit. Boy, hey, look here, it's kind of like going to jail. When they close that door behind you, you for yourself.

When they closed that octagon gate behind you, who will help you, Ocho? You are you on your own. If you want to come out there, they got to climb the fish. You got to come up out of it on your own. They ain't open the gate. Same thing in boxing.

When you go to that square, ain't no time out. Hey, hey, let Ocho get me for it. Let Ocho take this play for him. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Joe, you hear that? Ain't going to be nobody to help me.

Ain't nobody to be nobody to save you, boy. What'd you mean? Once that bell go off, boy, it's going to be, it's going to be hell on wheels, though. Oh, you're talking about me and you or we're just talking about in general? And I'm talking about me on your ass, boy. Oh, oh, I thought you had to left that alone.

Oh, I ain't leave it alone. Boy, boy, you got this. This is crazy, man. Look, what are the next big fight we got coming up? Wait, I mean, then what is the next big fight? You're talking about like real? Hey, I got one for you. Geron Ennis, boots and uh, Zander Zayez.

Who win a fight? May I think June, hold on, I'm gonna tell you right now. I'm gonna tell you right now. Hey, hey, who said 154? Hey. You want to see boots in a Fadorio? Yeah, uh, Zanda Zayez. I don't know if I want to see that.

They signed the fight, um, in New York. And the date, oh, I don't know, I don't see the day. Hold on. Deonti. Oh, did. Deontay Wild to fight next week, Ocho. Signed, seal, and deliver. Damn, for real?

Yeah. Who he fighting, no? What's this? Chajorah. I mean, this is going to be a good bounce back win for him if he can win. Damn, did you hear what you just said, bro? Oh, why you look like that, man? Did you hear what you just said?

What? If he can win. Oh, Tyson Fury fighting. They guys are fighting. He guys some fights coming up on, Cho. Tyson Fury. Everybody on the level. We got some good ones.

We got some good ones. Yeah. Hey, but that boots, that boots in Xander, that's going to be nice. You, hey, Joe said he don't want to see, he don't want to see boots in Fadora. No? Not right now, Joe. Man, boots will wash him, boy. Hey, I'm paying big money for boots.

Don't, don't give me wrong. I'm with boots. I'm just saying. Hey, he'll watch Fendora. That's a whole different type of skill set. I don't know. No disrespect. I'll pay to see it.

Yeah, watching. I'll pay to see it. I think Rhonda Rousey fight. Huh? Carrano. What's she doing? What kind of fighting she's doing? What kind of fight?

Oh, she's coming back? Not in the UFC. It's another one. MVP. Oh, they got their own league, huh? Yep. Oh, so they're trying to compete with Dana? We tried.

Yeah, but they got a long way to go for that. Yeah. Got to start somewhere. Got to take baby steps. Yeah. But, yeah, these fights tonight, Chad. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm still trying to figure out how Izzy lost. Was it conditioning bad? He ran out of gas? Hey, Ojo, you ever cut grass? Yeah. If the grass ain't really thick, you ain't got to do this. Right. He was running.

Yeah. Man, he ran through Izzy. Oh, so he didn't explain. I didn't respect Izzy power then. I didn't respect it. Damn. Like action medicine? I, anybody ever take

X, Lack, Serpa Black, draw, phenomint. That's what I do went through Izzy. I was like, well, damn, I mean, you're gonna put up any resistance? Nope. It was bad, though, Joe. It bossing in the MMA different, bro. It was bad.

I mean, I think the, the strength of Easy's game is standing up striking. That guy was a, he was a kickboxer too. I mean, they said his record was like 75 and four in kickboxing. 75. Yes. So you know Izzy was a kickboxer also. Yes.

Dude is a kickboxer who's much younger, much stronger. Man, Ocho, when you see this, see how this bad dude Izzy, man? You're going to like, oh, man. I don't want to see that. I don't want to see that. I don't want to see it. Just the fact that he lost it just because my I, I envision and I, I see Izzy in a different light with the fight. Izzy got to stand up.

Yes. What's that dude? What's that dude took him down? It was a rap. Yeah. See, if you notice, MMA, a lot of this, these wrestlers are really doing good. Yeah. The wrestlers are kind of taken over.

And that's what makes John Jones because John was a wrestler. So now he can take you down, but he can. strike. Yeah. John John John's got an 84 inch reach. He got a reach like a damn seven footer. Yeah. He got elbows. He got knees. I mean, they say he don't have power in his hands like that,

but he got enough to keep you up off it. But then when he covered them knees and them elbows? Yeah. Night night. Hey, hey, um, you, you know, you know him and may a little better to me. What made Khabib so good? I know his ground game was phenomenal. That's it. I know that. Because once he got you got to be able to get him up off you.

He was a big. He's taking you, you getting taken down. No matter what. Period. And I'm talking to D.C. He said, he says, Shannon, the way these guys trained over there. Yeah. It's, it's hours on hours because they're, they're dirt poor.

They don't have anything. Yeah. Their only way out is this. Mm. So if you won't. cheat, you want cattle, you want this, this is how you get it. So they throw everything, this all they do. You saw how once he got, I mean, if you can, if you cannot, everybody can fight, you know,

for the most part standing up or they take somebody down. But if you get taken down, can you get up? You remember the fight that we saw the other night? Once that guy took him down to the ground, he stayed at the whole, uh, back, Holloway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy took Max Holloway down, Olivera. Elevara.

Yeah, we took him down and Holloway really, he got back to his feet one time. Other than that, once Olivera took him down, he stayed in the guard, the full guard, or the cross guard for the entire rest of the round. So three and a half, four minutes, that's where he was. Remember how we said that that fight with Olivera, Max Holloway, remember how we all said it was born?

Yeah. So when Kabib fought, was Kabeefibb-B-Fibed-B-Fiborne, since his ground game, he was so efficient on the ground, were his fights born, or was it still exciting? Oh, he was excited. Hey, he dumped it. I mean, he was submission now. You got to be careful. You saw what he did to Connor.

Connor made one mistake. Yeah. Hey, he got to Connor down. He kept taking Connor down and Connor made one mistake and he choked him out. Yeah. And if you notice, when the referee tapped him to let him go, he didn't let him go. because he had insulted his family and his religion. Oh, yeah.

Remember, he went over the top, went over the ring and jumped in it. Okay, I remember seeing that. I remember CNN with ESPN. I remember that. So he was dead serious. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, they take their religion serious.

They take their family serious. Yeah. Hey, they, he was a, the vow. No, no, no. Somebody, you know, you know, you're joking. Like, you know, he said some things to Florida, and it was all cute. And you know, Connick can sell a fight.

He's very entertaining. He has the gift of gab almost just as good, if not better than Ali. Right. But he went a little bit too far. And the man said, I'm going to make him pay for everything that he said. I'm going to make him pay.

Mm. I like that. That's dope. Hey, hey, Joe. What's that in it? Hey, how do you think I'd do against him? Kabib, in his last three fights, he won by submission.

He submitted Justin Gaichi. He submitted. He submitted, uh, Porre. He, uh, submitted Connor. Well, God damn. Back to back, all three? Yep. And, uh, Connor was first in October, no,

Connor was October 6th, 2018. Porriere, September 7th, 2019, Gauchy, October 24th, 2020. Yeah, he, he never coming back, huh? We probably never seen. No, no, no. He wasn't the same. And he basically said his dad was in his corner. Once his dad passed,

That's right. So now his thing is the train the next Dagestani and bring them up. Yeah, but no, no. Oh, but see, the thing is, he tried to get people up out of there. He knows what he is. Yeah.

Hey, I'm going to get you on the ground. I'm going to get your ass on the ground. Now, keep me off your neck. Keep me off one of these joints to keep me from tapping your ass out. Ooh. Or submitting you. I don't want no part of that, boy.

I don't want no part of that. Hey, Joe, what's your ground game look like? Oh, you didn't, hey, oh, Joe, that man, that weather like 145? You can hell with him. $1.45. Kabib. Hold on, he's doing all that kind of damage,

and he only $145? Yeah, you got it. I got him, huh, uh. He got who? Habib. Hey, don't let, I don't hype you up, brun. Hey, hey, hey, uncle, you think we can get Khab on the show? Uh, hey, I don't know if we can get Kabeep,

we probably can get one of those. those guys that he's training like, uh, uh, Islam or somebody like that. I don't know how well, how good of English that they know. Can you do me a favor? What they? Like, so we can, this is why we the best show, right? Yeah. So before we have on the show, we can actually have content where I get in the

octagon with them and, and we, and we spar and do ground game for like one round. Uh, let's try to make it like two minutes. Cause you know rounds are five minutes. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. If I get fucked up, I get fucked up. I get fucked up, but it'd be great content for the show. What'd be great, look here.

Kabeb, hey, Kabebee was a, was tussling with a, uh, a D.C. For real? Yeah. D.C. big, though. I know he is. I think that'd be fun, though. I get, you know, I'm not, I get my ass with this fine. I get to tell y'all what it's like to be in there with one of the best.

No. That, but I, I, I just like, I don't know. I don't, I don't know where Eddie goes from. here. I damn sure don't know where Thurman goes from this, from here. Might be a rap, huh? You think so? Yeah. He ain't looked that good, Joe.

He ain't looked good. But who you're telling, Joe? I was upset. I was upset because I was excited to see the fight. I'm ready. I waited to the last minute. Do I really want to pay this $74? But listen, it's Keith Thurman. One time, I got to support one of my favorite fighters of all times.

And he just didn't look like what I was what I'm used to seeing and it had to be you know Being off all that time thing you wouldn't come back looking the same Yeah, you know hell now who who taking that kind of time off who take it I mean think about it Ali was in his Ali was was was with a lot younger and he missed those three years he was never the same fighter You wouldn't when when when when when when Vietnam happened and he missed no three years he couldn't fight anywhere right? He wasn't the same? Yeah. You robbed a man of three years of his prime. So I don't know.

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You know it's crazy Anken Joe No matter how great you are in a sport It's amazing how with time off whether it be a year, two years or three years, how different you look once you go back into that sport. Yeah. How long you've done it? You're right, man.

Hold on, uh, well, how to hell Jordan? What Jordan looked like, Joe, in your comparison, because y'all would be better suited to answer this than me. When Jordan left and went and played baseball, how close did he look to the old Jordan before he left? He, when he first got back, he wasn't even, he wasn't that. He dropped a double nickel in the garden, but he wasn't close.

They steal the ball. He's falling. He needed to get his legs up under it. Yeah. He got his legs up under him. Yeah. Even that year, 96, 97, 98, he wasn't that Jordan from 84 to 91.

Mm-mm. That Jordan. That Jordan. Yes. But he put the time in when it came to track. Yes. Because he knew he wasn't in basketball shape when he came back, Ocho.

Great. What was it? about mid-season. Yeah, I think they had like 21 games left, Joe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when he came back... Came back in the middle of the season? Yes.

Yeah, right. Like, not soon before the playoffs started, Ocho. Yeah. Right. He came back. He sent a text says, I'm back. He said, I'm back. Yeah, and they lost...

That's when they lost to Penny and Shaft, Orlando. Orlando Magic. Okay. They had Horace Grant on their team. And Horace Grant was, you know, putting it in his face. Next thing you know, he was right back at it the whole summer, Ocho. He came back with Avengers.

partner. Because if you remember, Nick Anderson said 45 ain't 20. 23. Why he said that in the paper. Like, yeah. Damn. Oh, Joe, Ocho, he took that 45 off and put that 23. It was over. He came up out of that 45. And he went back to looking like 23 again. They did. He just wasn't as athletic. as he was in 80 from 80 when he came in as a rookie. And when he won that first, and when he won that, uh, uh, that, that, that, those first championship. Yeah. You look at Jordan from eight, man, you had to see it.

Hey, A, A, and you had, you had, you had, you had to see it. Right. You just had to see it. That first run that he had, those, with that first three p. Mm-hmm. He wasn't playing. He wasn't nothing nice. It's ridiculous.

He was ridiculous. It was just, I mean, it was just, it was just off. Yeah. It was just off. I saw, I saw him in 97 and 98. In person. And he was still Jordan. Don't get me wrong.

He was still Jordan. He still could give you 40. But he wasn't as athletic. He wasn't, I mean, early in his career, he could take the ball. Hey, he'd have the ball like this and just hang in the air. Yeah. He was doing stuff like that, man. I'd be like, bro.

I mean, he whipping the ball up on and doing stuff like this. He got the ball because he had ginormous hand. He got the ball rolling around. He's like a softball in his hand. He doing all this right here. Yeah. He got the ball behind his back. Man, this dude here.

Hey, Ojo, with all that talent he had, though, nobody can outworking, bro. And that's what made him special. A lot of people talk about all the stuff he did on the court. But I'm talking about the shape that he was always in. I'm talking about how he stayed in the weight room. Like, that gets overlooked because he was so talented. Yeah.

But man, he wanted to be great, though. He was willing to do whatever it took. But you know, hey, Joe, just think about if he'd put down, if instead of smoking five cigar the day, he'd just have one. And he could have left that brown liquor law. He by the average farting back then. You ain't lying, boy. You ain't lying.

Hey, he likes his cigars, always have. I think he might draw him on the white now. You know, I'm saying he might be on the, he might be on the tequila or the bark of the gin. I think he'll cut back on some of that brown liquor. Yeah, yeah. Man, listen, I think one of the most impressive things, they say the man used to go play 18, 18,

He would. He would. He would. He would. On a game day, Ojo. Yep. Game day. Yeah.

He would, yeah. He would go play golf. Yep. You know how much you on your feet? You know how much you on your feet when you golfing? He golfing, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you know what? He's taking somebody money because he don't do nothing for free.

He gambling, now. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. He doesn't do anything. He ain't shooting no pool. He ain't playing no table tennis. He ain't playing no golf.

Cards, he love cards. He loves cards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Guts and Buree are his games. Let's go get him, huh? Get what? Let's call him out, huh? No.

Hey, we nightcap, but we don't spare nobody. No, man. Man, that man be playing $25,000, $75,000 a hand. We got it. We got Joe. We got Joe. You got Joe for what? Huh?

Got Joe for what? You're going to put up the money. Joe for what? To play Jordan. Man, play what we're playing? Now, at Burek? Hey, Jordan, if you see this, if you want to smoke with nightcap, how last you want? No, we don't want no smoke.

Hey, how much we got to bring to the table, bro? We got to bring. Probably knowing him, probably quarter of a million in cash. No, tell him, tell him. I'm gonna tell him we come. Quarter of a million what? Hey, we all come to the table. And to play him.

We all come to the table. And his buddies, open him. Hey, all right, how about we take, all right, how about this? We bring 100,000. A piece. Yeah, 100,000 a piece. And once you lose, ain't like you can sit around now. Just when you lose, you got to leave.

What you mean, leave? We got to leave. You can, ain't no sitting around in the hotel room. Ain't no, hey, man, I'll get me a drink. No, you got to go. Hey, hey, uh, hey, we, hey, we can put Jordan in this place, huh? Tell, let's challenge. I can't.

Hey, Joe, what you want to do, Joe? You want to go get him, Joe? You want double team, Mojo? Let's get him, Joe. Oh, let's get him. Hey, you got, okay, I got Jordan. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, I thought we were jumping Jordan. Well, how oak coming in?

Because, I mean, I wanted to be fair. Hey, oh, hey, Jordan, and we're going to play, we play spades, whatever. Whatever they want to do. No, I don't think he played no spades. Jordan played guts and boo-ray. Okay, well, tell Jordan, Nick, make it light on yourself. Huh? No, I'm good.

I don't want to play. He already tried to get me to play. I said, you're nothing to get my house. Because he ain't, hey, look, look, because he ain't, he's got to get my house. Hey, because playing boo-ray, if you don't really care, for real, about the money that's out there, you'll get booed on purpose just so you can put up the pot.

And then raise the pot. Yes. I get the deal. And then somebody mess around to get hit on the edge. Listen, I've seen Pots get up to $750 and $75,000. No, man. Man, listen, I've seen dudes getting off the plane owing each other $150K. Yes, $175K.

Yeah. Hold on. On the plane, Joe? On the plane, bro. We can't be friends and teammates no more. Yes. I owe you that amount of money. That's why Mike wanted to cut us out from gambling.

He says because if you lose $25,000, you lose $50,000. your mind is not on the game. Your mind is on the money that you lost. Hey, he's right. Hey, hey, Ocho, during the game, it could be fourth quarter, 10 minutes left. It'll be somebody on the best. I'm my boy, I can't wait until we get on this plane

so I can get that damn money. Look, man, we're coming, I'm trying to think, hold on where we're coming back from? Japan. Man, burger. took 50,000 off a coach. Took him two years to pay him off.

A coach? Yep. You mean like a head, a coach? Yep. A defense coach. I ain't gonna call his name, but yep. Hey, he made him pay? Hell yeah, he had to pay him off in two years.

Hey, Berger wasn't even on the team no more. And he still, he's still sending burger money. Damn, y'all ain't do deals. Deal. Like me. So here's the thing, when I say deals, It's like if we all plan and I hear unc for 20K, he owe me 20K. Okay, if I say, oh, man, you just pay me 15 and we're good.

You know what I'm saying? But you got to pay this in a, you know, a certain amount. A timely matter, yes. You can't just keep getting on these flights. You owe me 20K and you just continue to play. Now, we wouldn't have none of that. What the thing is is that what I hate is do want to gamble like, hey, Charlotte and borrow some money.

Oh, man. I get $5,000. Right. Bro, and then you want to try to fade me. You're not fit to fade me with my money. You gotta get your damn ass up from the, you better get somebody else money to fade me. How are you gonna fade me with my money?

Hey, no, Joe, I would, like, look, like me and Burns would play. I would, you know, hey, I'm rolling dice, I lick Burns for 3,000, he good. Yeah. I ain't, I never took no money from him. We play in Spades, we good. A poker, we good.

I don't take no money from him. Everybody else, Now, I did hit a guy, I took a 70 Chabelle off a guy. Ooh. He had just had it refurb. Yeah. And so I say, you know what, man, man, you can't go home and tell your wife that you lost their car that you spent this money on. I said, give me 10 grand and we'll call it a deed.

We call. Yeah. Yeah. You ain't take the car? I didn't take the car. I didn't take the car. Hey, Joe, tell me about them dudes betting 100, owing somebody, $15,000, $175,000 on the plane. They really paid?

Man, listen, let me tell you. I'm going to tell you the team. I was- Don't say no name, though. I'm just- I was playing with the Houston Rockets. Yes, sir. Yeah, this 2000, what, 18, 17, something like that.

Yeah. And, uh, okay, Ocho, I never seen nothing like it on the plane, bro. I never seen nothing like. First of all, you get on the plane, yeah, they big boy gambling. And I like to play Boo Ray, but when I got to the Rockets, I'm like, damn, what's the end of it? Yeah, what's the ante up? Like, the ante, like, the any, like, it's $1,000 just to start off.

Oh, what? A thousand, listen, listen, listen, it's $1,000. And that's just a start off. Now, when we start, when the planes start to descend, it go up. It go up to like $2,000, three grand. Next thing you know, man, them four paying $5,000 a hand, man. I told them, now, I'm good. I'm going to just watch.

I'm going to just watch them over here. But you know you lose the most money playing in-between. You play in-between, Joe? Yeah. Now, you talk about 50, 75,000 go quick. Yeah. Yeah. Because you get an ace.

Ace, oh, high. You get another ace. It's automatically low. And then an ace come again and hit on the edges. You got to double what's in the pot. Yes. So what's in the pot is 10,000. You got to put 20,000, not a pot 30,000.

Just like that. Hey. Just like that. Look at a split. Hey, they're in between Sears, boy. I'm telling you, oh, I'm telling you, man. Hey, we should do it with shots. We used to do it with shots.

You know, back in the day where I should have a real good time. You know, we'll have a little shindig or something. We'll have shots. Like, you know, we play in between for shots. You know what I mean? So I know that game there can get dangerous, partner. Absolutely, you got to be careful because you'll lose some friendships. Because, hey, I'm telling you, man.

Hey, hey, hold on. Where any of the gambling, you'll lose some friendships, That's why I say, man, listen, it's got to be a limit to some of this. You feel what I'm saying? Yes. You get on them teams who ain't got no limit to what they'll spend

or what they will lose. Boy, please. On the Super Bowl trip, we plan, hey, guys putting six, eight Super Bowl tickets in to cover debts. Yeah, absolutely. That's why I say, when you start playing like that,

hey, money out of sight, calls a fight. Yes, sir. Hey, and we're a bit. about it. Hey, Uncle Joe. What's that? I didn't already put the message out already. So I mean, we, listen, I need. I need. I, I don't want no part of that. Hey, I'm telling you. It's fine. He's going to be better enough to make you uncomfortable. See, and when it's cash, it's not like, see like in the casino, those chips, they're chips. When you see stacks and stacks of, uh, of $100 bill. So you see 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, $100,000, $100,000, $100,000.

stack there. You can't look at that as anything but money. Hey, Michael, Michael Jordan. No. Oakley. Y'all come see me in ISO, huh? Make it light on yourself. Whatever you want to bet. Hey, we'll definitely get their ass and some tonk, some Uno or something. Yeah. Yeah. But, hey, Oak, Oka, big time gamble, too.

Like, me and Oak, that's how I actually met Jordan. I'm through Oak. Oak and I used to work out together. So he'd be at the track running. Anytime he'd come to town, my homeboy, he would call him my homeboy and say, hey, let Sharp know I'm in town. Okay, I'm going to meet him up there at Houston. Joe, you remember that Houston used to be on Lennox Road?

Yes, sir. So I would always meet him up there at Houston's. Then they closed that one down. We would go down to the one on Peace Street. But I would always be like, man, you ought to come, you know, you ought to come in gal. I said, no, Oak. I ain't going to do that. Man, I hung out with Oka, MJ one time here in Atlanta.

We played a softball game against Jermaine DePree. He had a softball team. So Jordan came down here. He put together a softball team, and I played on it. We played the game. We won the game, and then we went out that night. Well, they parted different, man. He did.

He did. They just, they- See, Oak done chilled out now because he don't drink. He don't really drank like he used to. And it's a good thing. because boy look here y'all heard the stories whatever you heard about

Oakley playing basketball it is 1,000% true it almost went down that night in the spot in the club it almost went down It's 1,000% what no what's more than a thousand

it's a million percent for sure he did not boojad I am so glad he turned I'm so glad old got married and turned his life around he ain't one to play with So all that time, man, Oat went for bad.

No, Oat was bad. They ain't playing with Ope. Yeah. Ain't nobody play with Ope. He liked, and I'm like, bro, Lord, have mercy. I was like, whew. I said, whoa, man, I ain't come to Tulsa, man. Damn.

If something going on, I got to go, I got to go with him. Because then, because if you don't go with it, when he gets out, he's going to fight you. He's going to fight you. He's going to fight you. That's our O'Kills, man. I say, man, I am so glad with that man, they told me that man he got married.

Yeah. Hey, hey, Uncle Joe, think about this, right? We know already started it, right? We got nightcap outside, right? Yeah. We did bowling. We did the frisbee toss. We did cornhole.

Nightcap outside, special edition. Unc, Isso, and Joe versus Oakley, Jordan and Robin. It what? Boor Ray. Oh, hell no. I mean, whatever they want to play, they can make it lighter on theirself.

Us three versus them three. Mm-mm. Huh? I'm not playing. Look here, man, Ochoo, I'm telling you, you don't understand how, look, that little five and $25 little $100 stuff that we be gambling.

Ocho, I'm telling you, man. It got to be a limit, I mean, the man will be a here. Hey, hold on. Hey, Joe, I don't. I don't like the way I'm talking. Oh, Joe, but you know how that man is. Hey, hey, Joe, Joe, I'm talking like we ain't got it like that, though.

I ain't got it like that. Yeah, we do. I ain't got it like that. Hey, Joe, in emergency situations for a special occasion like this, if we want to go get it, we can go get it. Mm-mm. We just that we choose not to do it because that's not what we do. I got grandkids.

I'm trying to leave a little something for my grandkids, oh, Joe. Okay, my bad. You did that have caught me when I was playing. When I was playing, yeah, I probably would have jumped out there for $100K. Yeah. Not now. I tell you what, I tell you what. I loan you 100.

Go out of the boys. Huh? Mm-mm. That man ain't paid you $59. Honey, hell, he's going to hold you the loan. Because the $59.00 is an emergency fund, Joe. The man's good. You can bring the glass in case it would be emergency.

Mm-mm. That's good. Ain't no emergency. I'll go, hey, I'll see Oak. When I go to Atlanta, I see him. Hey, let's go grab a bite to eat, reminisce. That's it. That's all I want to do.

No, no, no. It's too late because I already said it. So people are going to take the clip and they're going to send it to Oak and they're going to send it to George. Bro. Oak came in town. I had just got the new 760. I had the first one in the southeast. I had just got it.

Okay. I think I had like 500 miles on the car. My home boy Jimbo told Oak I had the car. He wanted one, but. He was on the wait list. Yeah. So he was at the four seasons. I drove the car up there.

He looked at it. Man, I like this. He go upstairs and come back down. He goes upstairs and says, wait a minute. He goes upstairs and come back downstairs. How much he had with him? He gave me $130,000 cash. Mm.

So I said, he said, I'm going to buy it. I'm like, okay. He said, I said, well, what the hell of? I got to get home. He said, you're driving home. I mean, it ain't, no, I could, I don't walk home. He gave $130,000 cash. He said, all, he said, hey, he said, do me a favor.

Leave the insurance on it until Tuesday. I say, cool, no problem. You slowed on the car? He said, hey, hey, I got everything taking care of. You can, you know, cancel the insurance. I canceled the insurance. That was it. He bought the car right there on the spot?

Right there on the spot. Because my homeboy, Jim, told him that I had it. So he told, hey, Oakesy, he wanted to see the car. I thought he just wanted to see what it looked like to see if he wanted one. Yeah. I ain't know he wanted to buy it.

So I drove, I drove, because it's right up the street. I'm on Peac Street, Dunwoody, the Four Seasons, I think it's the Carlyle or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's right there on Lennox Road and Pea Street. Yeah. So it's a mile from the house. I drove up there, hey, he looked at it,

he walked around, he looked at it. He looked at it. He'd go upstairs and come back down. He gave me a paper bag. I said, man, what's this? Is this $130,000? I said, okay. I said, well, how the hell I'm gonna get home?

He said, I'm gonna take you home. Hell, I know where you stay. I like, hey, that's a big boy move right there. Hey, I drove home. I got out of the car. He said, man, do me in favor. He said, just leave the insurance until, until Tuesday.

Cause he was going, I think, where he from? He's from Mississippi, Alabama. he from what he I think he from like miss he might be from I think he might be from Alabama Mississippi somewhere he was and he was going home see some family members that was it I had the car I think I had the car month maybe a month maybe a month I think I barely have 500 I don't even know if I had 500 miles I think I had like 250 300 okay that was it

hey we gonna show him though we're gonna be gonna show no we're not hey Joe okay Joe, unc out. Me and you, Joe. I got you, I'm with you, bro. Yeah, me, hey, Joe, me and you gonna show Michael George and Oakley, you know, who the big boys is, huh? Okay, y'all go right here. Yeah.

Hey, but I need, I need Uncle to be that on. Hey, somebody gotta film it. Oh, Unk, Unk. It man ain't got no, really, ain't got no credibility for me to even be talking with it for real. For me to be rocking with him, you know, that's a big step, you know what I'm? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hey, Joe, we found. Now, Joe, you hit me? Nah, we got to, once we get our fade out the way, we can get back to being family. Right now, it's very disruptive in the family. You know, but, but, but the fact that we work together, you know, I, you know, I have to be, you know. Let's see, hey, Joe, we deep in and work, Joe,

we're deepening work, you hear me? Hey, no. Man, let me tell you something, man. The one thing, oh, don't play with is money now. Hey, hey, he good. Hey, he ain't, he ain't as rowdy than used to be, but don't play with him now. Hey, hey, you know why Uncle saying that

because he knows you the type to come in there with two, three hundred dollar bills on top of your bankroll with a bunch of, God, hell now. Hey, hey, y'all. Hey, Joe, hey, listen, Joe, man, I have full Oakley up, man. Don't play it, I have four Oakley like a law and shit.

That, hey, he, hey, if you notice, don't nobody call Oakley out. I've been doing, I met Oakie, what, 93, so damn near 30, 33. 33 years. Yeah. He don't play like that, man. But like I said, I'm glad he got married.

Also, look at the, look at the graphic teams did. What they got? Oh, this is from discourse. Can you see? Look at there. Oh, man. Who is that? What did you mean?

What did you mean? Who was that? Hey, why every time the graphic team makes something got me getting punched in the mouth? Man, they ain't crazy. Hey, they're going to have four. The fan made that one. Look at the other one, Joe.

Look at the other one. Hey, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, why are you playing? Hey, uh, why that man playing with my money and my time, homie. Yeah, I got to get that get back. Yeah, hey, but one thing, one thing about it, boy, when I step inside that right there, whether it's the ring or the octagon, ain't none of that happening, Joe. Shit.

Ain't none of that. Hey, Ocho, you hear the story about Tyrone Hill? Oh, Tyrone, who hit? that played for the paces. Yeah, and the sixes. And the sixes, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the, uh, what's the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the point guard. Jump McGinnon.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got some, it's some sports out there. Oh, Oak lending some money and he was dodging, oh. And see, back then, the shoot arounds, you might be still shooting and the other team coming in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What he did to him? Shit.

Well, the worst time that he did, he sent him some flowers. But he had the ballboard to send some flowers over there. Oh, Joe. He got sick. All of a sudden, he didn't play that night. But don't caught up with him.

This sounds like some mafia type stuff. Yeah. Oh, used to be, he used to be on that type of time. Hey, hey, what did the five fingers say to the face? Hey, Joe, he slapped him. Hey, Joe. That's what he's known for. Why y'all got me?

Y'all got me talking, talk a trash of somebody like that. I try to tell you. See, you go to bargain up all these trees. Now you go to copy. The old play like that. And nobody trying to hear all that. All right. Well, you know what?

I'm barking up the tree because we're going to cut it down. How about that? Who is we? No, no. Oh, hey, dude. Hey, oh, was that in somebody's house and, uh, yeah, we're talking all that? Why are you over there?

Y'ya, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Walked until they practice, they had shoot around. At the shoot around? Bha! Ain't nobody doing that to-in?

What they're gonna do? Man, look. Uh-huh. You say, you wouldn't help him if there's your point. I know, I've seen him, but I'll let, come on, oh, we gotta go. We got to go. We got to go. But that's a oak all muscle.

Oak 68, 265, 270, all muscle. Ain't no fat on him. He still work out like that. Every, every, every... Oaken, bitch, like 400 pounds. Every morning. With the long ass arms. Ope was strong as hell.

Hey, hold on. Hold on. Y'all know he coached in the big three for quite some time, so I got a chance to play against some of his teams. But in the hotels, we all are typically staying the same hotel. Yeah.

Every morning. If I'm up, I don't care. Six o'clock in the wait room in the morning, I promise you, you're going to see Oaken now. You're going to see O'Kin now. That's him. And he up early, Ocho. He in the wait room every morning, I'm telling you.

And this is the weekend, so I know during the week he's getting it. Yeah. Man, we run track. When we're on that track, Oke was out there every morning. Every morning that the football player was out there, and he was out there with us. Yeah.

He occasionally come, he would occasionally come lift weights, but, you know, obviously he didn't. He ain't trying to get strong to mess up his shot. But no. Hey, Joe, hey, I like these stories, boy. I like, I like these, boy.

I like these, right. It feel good. I can't, I can't wait to see Oak now. Yeah? Yeah, I can't wait to see him now. Huh? Hey, hey, Isaiah Thomas. Hey, Oak, put it on the table.

Babe, what you're trying to do, huh? What game ain't playing? What game we're playing? I mean, who Ray? I ain't played no. I ain't playing nothing with money. Hey, Joe, me and you, Joe, we're going to take them boys on, man. We're going to show them who boss, you hear me?

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