Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Sha'Carri & USA win gold + Bobby Finke interview

Episode Date: August 10, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson are joined by 1500-meter freestyle world record holder and Olympic Champion Bobby Finke to discuss his historic win at the 2024 Paris Olympics! Also, Unc & Ocho react to the USA women winning gold in the 4x100 meter relay, the USA men getting disqualified, and Rai Benjamin winning the 400-meter hurdles, and more!03:40 - Show Starts05:09 - USA Women cruise to Gold medal game10:36 - USA wins gold 4x10019:30 - US Mens 4x100 DQ’d31:05 - Rai Benjamin wins Gold in 400m hurdles37:12 - World Athletic hints at raising womens hurdles56:10 - Bobby Finke Intv(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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But first, the U.S. women cruise past Australia to reach their eight consecutive Olympic Games. This is the first time in olympic history the teams will face the exact same team the men face of france and the women will also face france after moving jackie young into the starting lineup in the quarterfinals against nigeria reeve has stuck with that same starting five young wilson stewart naficia collier and chelsea gray and against australia young for the third time in as many games provided a huge spark for the offense. Team USA, she had 14 points, five assists, and she was very good defensively on the perimeter.

Ocho, look, I don't think anybody's surprised that the women are here. They really expected to be here. They've kind of cruised through this we have the women look we have the best women you gotta i mean there is no international woman that's gonna track the top five maybe not even the top 10 that's not the same on the men's side you know they have nicola yokich you know they have have Giannis Antetokounmpo. You know they have Shea from Canada and they have Luka. So, you know, you have four guys right there that's

probably, anybody that's polling is going to be in the top ten players. And so that's the luxury that the men have that the women's not up against. That's not to take anything away from the women. You still got to win the game. And as we saw yesterday, I think the Serbs only have two guys that's playing professionally

in the NBA, and they gave the U.S., who all their players are currently playing in the NBA, all the U.S. Gave them more than they could handle. But congratulations to the women. I don't know. How much of this game did you watch, JoJo?

A little bit of it. They dominated. They dominated the entirety of the game. They looked really good. Obviously, like you say, they've been on somewhat of a cruel control because there hasn't been anybody to challenge them yet. They were going to win gold. That's what we said before the

Olympics even started. Nobody was going to challenge them unless they were just shooting crazy from the field obviously from the three to give them a game. I said myself, the only way that happens, if they happen to run

into competition that shoots efficient from the field, then the ladies will probably step up their play and win the game anyway. Right now, as far as I'm concerned, they're going to beat France. They're going to get goal and bring it on back. So when you look at a situation, they shot 50 percent from the floor. They shot 41 percent from the three. They shot 91 percent from the free throw line.

You had 31 a sense you had turnovers. I'm sure Coach Reed won't like that turnover. But look, at one point, the game was what, 80-58. They were winning. You look at the numbers, let you know there was really no struggle. Breonna Stewart only played 23 minutes. Asia played 20 minutes. Jackie Young played 20 minutes. Chelsea Gray played 19. Collier played 24.

And then even the reserves got in and played big minutes. The only one that didn't play huge minutes was probably DT and Jewel Lloyd. But Kalia Cooper played 20 minutes. Kelsey Plum played 11 minutes. Inescu played 10. BG played 19. And Alyssa Thomas played 16. So there was really no doubt.

You look at the rebounding. Ocho out-rebounded them 46 to 34. Had 10 steals. Had five blocks. It's almost unfair statistically in almost every category, regardless of who they're playing, even when they're not shooting well. Still, it's like nobody had a chance. And it's probably going to be like this in 2028.

It's going to probably be like this. Because the big guns will still be there. I mean, Asia Wilson will be back the big guns will still be there i mean uh asia wilson will be back exactly you know you're probably gonna have another big rebound on the glass in uh in in in greece yeah and you're gonna also probably have uh caitlin clark a lot of these a lot of these uh young ladies will be back in 28 that's in that's in four years uh asia can't be no more than, what, 27? How old's Asia? 27? 28? So if DT played, DT is like 40,

41? 28? Yeah. Stewie will be back. Yeah, the big guns will be back. And a lot of these younger have gotten experience playing. You see Karya, she has experience. Jackie Young, Alyssa Thomas. BG's probably, though.

How old is BG? BG's probably, what, 32, 33? I don't know if she'll be back. I mean, she won't. I mean, you got height. I know Chyna got that one young lady. She's 17. She's too young to compete. She's 7'3", Ocho. Right, yeah.

Listen. Go ahead. Wouldn't make no difference. Wouldn't make no difference wouldn't make no difference seven three eight three nine three we coming home true true um but congratulations to the women um eight straight final um i think they've won like 60 games straight in an olympic competition um nobody's surprised by that we have the best players, and they continuously show us that every time they go into meaningful competition and maybe losing to the WNBA All-Star Survey of the Wake-Up Call because they've been whipping hell out of everybody since.

So congratulations to the women. Great job. Let's finish the task now. Ocho, the U.S. women won gold in the 4x1. Sha'Carri Richardson pulls away. In style. Pulls away in the anchor leg. The 4x1, she didn't have to worry about getting out

of blocks quickly. Despite the eliteness of the American sprinters, Melissa Jefferson, Tanisha Terry, T.T. Terry, Hannah Gaby, she needed to come from behind. We always, men and and women we'll address the man of the man oh joe we always have the most horsepower but the problem is it doesn't matter how much horsepower you have if the driver can't drive the car right you talk to me so we it took

it took shakari did what shakari was supposed to do. Tracked down everybody. She got the baton in fourth. And as long as it was close, she's coming to get you. Because it didn't matter who they had. I know they had the Great Britain team. They had Danelle Nita on the anchor leg. I wasn't really concerned about anybody else. And they kind of didn't have the best handoff between. But I knew Germany or anybody else, they didn't stand a chance.

And with no Jamaicans, the Jamaican team in the field, no, it was a watch, but she was in fourth with 90 meters to go. And then when she got the baton, Hey, she like,

you thought you had that on. Listen, finish it, finish in style. Now I'm not sure if she was looking at her competitors or she was looking at that camera to the far right of her to let people know, you know what time it is. Did she look at her competitors? You think so? Bye, girl.

Stop playing. Oh, okay, okay, okay. It looked like she looked right at the camera. You know that camera is right alongside them as they're running. Right, that's what I said. I thought she looked at the camera looking at the camera like oh you thought yeah okay that was though that's that's how that's how you finish racing style listen some people won't like it i enjoy it i enjoy that make making it fun making it exciting

that is entertainment the entertainment value that track and field needs because the exposure you know we talk about grand holloway grand holloway was talking about some of the you know wanting that the commercials and the ads and then the shoe deals see stuff like that is why she has the makeup the makeup stuff the nike commercials like you you got to add that dynamic and that personality to you to your to your repertoire and it will come it's's just hard, Ocho, when your two big meets, one happened once every four years and the other happened,

you got two of those and you got two worlds. So in a four-year span, you really got three big events. You got the two worlds and you got the Olympics. And so it's kind of hard. Right.

You could plant those seeds now, though. You could plant those seeds now with all the tournaments that you do have throughout the season they don't show them seeds just imagine in the regular season if in 16 games you only got a chance to see patrick mahomes eight times or you only got a chance to see joe burrow because all these meets everybody's not showing up. No matter the Diamond League. So basically, they're only showing up for the Worlds and the Olympics. The big meets, they don't show up. So how do I sell that?

How do I convince the people to get behind it when Noah Lyles is not showing up? They're not going overseas. It's just too much. And I'm going overseas for what, Ocho? For 15 grand? They're not. Oh, they don't pay good. No.

Oh, shit. No. Damn. So it's just hard. I mean, it's sad. I mean, I think people in the chat, I think we love it. We love track and field. I think people get behind it.

And maybe they just get behind it because it's once every it's a once in every four a quarter event right but i like but uh the americans have now won three of the last four olympics in the one lap they lost tokyo but since then we've been we we burn it up um our women very proud of them um gabby won the uh won the gold in the 200 shakiri uh and melissa jefferson got you know um what they get what they get they got silver and bronze we got silver and bronze right we got silver and bronze in the hundred meters we won gold and the four by four so the women should be very very proud uh sid did what sid did the one you know the hurdles another world record i don't think we've disappointed i think the women have done very very well um yeah we still got three women in the hurdle finals and and one of our ladies have the

fastest time so if we should we should at least get on the podium wouldn't be surprised that we snuck up there and got the goal. But Camacho Quinn is not to be messed with. She's the reigning Olympic champ. Yeah. But I like kind of how we position ourselves. We still have the 4x4, men's and women's. Go ahead.

Okay. You say we still have hurdles left. What hurdle event do we have left? The women's 100-meter. Yeah. 100-meter. Okay. When is it? oh yes okay and we still got the four by four women we still got the four by four men right so we got it we got a we got a guy in 800 meter uh i think bryce hopple is it

bryce hop or hobbs kessler i did but i think only one i I think Bryce Hopple made it. I don't think Kessler. Only one of our guys made it. I know that. But I'm excited. I'm very, very happy. We're over 100 medals total. I think we're tied right now. And we still got men's and women's. Yeah, Bryce Hopple.

We still got men's and women's basketball. We still got the 4x4. We got both of those. I like and we got the and women basketball. We still got the four by four. We got both of those. So I like kind of like, and we got the hurdle events left. So we still have an opportunity. Nobody's obviously nobody's going to catch us for the most total medals. But I think at the end of the day,

the Americans want to end up on top with the most gold as well as total medals. So that's going really well. Congratulations to the women. That's doing very good. We run a silver. Oh, we got silver and bronze in the what you call them? I showed the 200 too.

Brittany Brown. Oh, yeah. We got gold bronze and then we got silver bronze, right? In the 100 meters? Yeah. So, hey, the women showed up. The women showed up. They did. They definitely did. Man, the women showed up the women showed up they did man

we still have three athletes as I've mentioned Masai Russell Alicia Johnson and Grace Stark so we got three women I'm expecting at least one of them to get on the podium yeah you know Masai over there she run with my daughter she at Kentucky with

Wamocha yeah Masiah over there she run with my daughter she had kentucky with her yeah messiah over there with mo um but the jamaicans they didn't they i mean they didn't qualify they did they had a team did they have didn't have a team but when you lose shelly and frazier you lose elaine thompson harrah yeah you lose Sharika Jackson I think Tia Clayton was the only one they didn't have nearly enough it looks like Shelly Ann's this was her last Olympics Elaine Thompson-Hara, her body, she's starting to get a little older

her body's starting to break down Sharika, we'll see how that pans out in the world next year in 25, but the thing that the Jamaicans do, and they've talked about it, they got a pipeline. When you go to the,

what is that? The Penn Relays. And you look at those high schoolers, the Jamaican teams, they went to four by four. They went it all the time. So they got young runners that's coming up. And it's a pride thing for them.

It means a lot to them. Oh yeah. It means a lot. So it's kind of like, I guess they treat it like when you go to Duke or you play the North Carolina, how much it means to pride to say, I'm a Duke blue devil. And you have that bond forever. You look at all the great runners. Now the women's had a longer kind of a longer history uh uh than the men um but they've had some solid men as well but when you look at the the women um it goes back to merlin oddy and julian kirk but uh they've had a run here ocho last 40 years the women have been

very very good at running merlin oddy normally she's always around on that podium. Be it the 100 or the 200, she was always there. I mean, she was running fast times at 40. She was an anomaly. And then the men, when both he just They had an unbelievable run. They had, for a country as

small as Jamaica, they had about as good a run in sprinting as we've ever seen. As anybody. Yeah, as anybody. And we've ever seen. Now, you know, the Americans, we've won, I think we've won like, we've won the 4x4 in the men, 4x1 in the

men, like 16, 17 times. We just can't get the stick around. We've normally, with since the Jamaicans, now you take the Jamaicans out of the mix, but we've always had the most horsepower. But right from running out of the zone to dropping the baton. It's embarrassing. What is that? I mean, you've got to think about it. Now, when I think about it, since 1995, the U.S., we've suffered damn near about 11 baton areas resulting in disqualifications, including two years ago at a world championship. What is it about us and not being able to pass a baton?

What I didn't like you, you practice it over and over and over and over. And me thinking, even though I'm not a track runner, I envision that the steps hearing and listening stick, knowing when to go, when a person hits their certain mark, like you, you, you, you play that over and over. You practice it over and over and over.

Just like football. It's like football. You hear that play come in. You already, you already practiced it all week in your head. So I'm not sure, but we, we constantly consistently mess up over and over.

No, I don't understand what it is or what the issue may be. The nerves can't be that bad, though. You have a situation. Christian Coleman always leads off. He's probably the greatest starter. And, you know, you look at him, Mo Green, and Justin Gatlin. But I would say Christian Coleman is the greatest starter in American sprint history.

He's going to lead it off. Good. We good there. Fred currently normally runs second leg. When they run the world championship last year, Fred was on second leg. Okay. The only thing that got left out was no allows.

So why did you change the whole lineup? You left Coleman at first, and then you move somebody to, then you put Kenny Bannera at the second leg. Why? Why not keep, why not at least get the baton? Let's have a chance.

Right. Christian Coleman and Fred Curley. They work together. Christian Coleman, Fred Curley. I think that they'm not mistaken. They had curtain, uh,

Lindsay, put Lindsay in there. We, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we keep messing it up. Lindsey. Put Lindsey in there. We keep messing it up. We keep thinking, oh, we got the most horsepower. All we got to do is get it around. We can't get it around. If ain't nobody

on the steering wheel. We can't get it around. It doesn't matter how fast. I don't care if you got 9-2, 9-3, 9-4, 9-5. Guess what? The baton's on the ground. I don't know. Honestly, I don't care if you got 9-2, 9-3, 9-4, 9-5. Guess what? The baton's on the ground. I don't know. Honestly, I don't know what Kenny Benerick was thinking. He left so quick.

Christian Coleman wasn't even close. Ain't no way he said that he left when Christian Coleman foot hit his mark. There's no possible way that happened. None. You see how far he went? And Coleman's like, well, damn, bro. What you want me to do?

You think he misjudged it as far as his speed coming in? Understanding, knowing how fast Christian Coleman is, especially coming in, I'm not sure if they slow down, but I know there's a mark on the track. I know there's a mark that they watch that they practice and when christian colman hits that mark then you go you have to i'm not sure maybe he maybe he missed miss miss misread it miss i i don't i i have no idea but you can't make that kind of mistake like that because if that baton goes off smooth we win the four by one easy we always with the exception of the Jamaicans,

we were always, I mean, that's been our problem. It's not like somebody's outrun us. Our handoffs have always, you know, we've bobbled the handoffs and we've been out of the lane. We've been out of the

zone. That's been our problem. When you look at it, yeah, I mean, the Jamaicans have had a run from 08 to 16. Okay, we get that. But prior to that, shouldn't nobody have ever. I mean, we finished

getting first. We're getting first. We're getting gold and silver in the 100. And we got a guy that finished fourth in the 100. So we got the gold, the silver, and a guy that barely missed the podium. Hell, you should be able to run a leg and we still at least get the silver. Yeah.

But I'm looking, and I knew it immediately. I said, Kenny, where are you going? Ocho, you set the mark. You know the guy's coming in. That's why you set the mark accordingly. You cannot leave before he touches that mark. Do you think they put Kenny in and Kenny hadn't even practiced a 4x1 with them?

He was in the pool. To mess up like that? Here's the thing, Ocho. Once you make the U.S. team and the 100 meters, you're there. You're going to be in the pool because you've run 100 before. See, you have to run. See, that's why, you know, there's like what Noah wants to be in the pool because you've run 100 before. See, you have to run. And see, that's why there's like, well, Noah wants to be on the 4x4. Noah hadn't run

any open 400s. So you don't get to say, well, I want to be on the thing, and you have it run. Kenny has run 100 meters. He qualified for the Olympics in the 100 meters. So he's automatically in the pool. Well he's automatically in the pool. Well, you're in the pool, but if you haven't practiced

it previously before you got there... He's practiced. Now, this might be the first time because I don't remember him running prior to this year. I don't remember Kenny Benary. Now, I could be wrong, and if I'm wrong and I'm speaking out of turn, I apologize, but I don't

remember him running any hundred meters. So I just it's just it's just embarrassing. It's embarrassing that you watching teams that, you know, you're better than Canada. We're better than Great Britain. All these in South Africa. Even Japan, China. Really? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Really?

Yeah. All because we can't get the exchange down. It's embarrassing. Kudos to those teams that were able to get the baton around. Those teams, they practiced the batons and Carl Lewis, he was furious. He was furious.

I saw his tweets. He hot. He said, it's time to blow up the system. This continues to be completely unacceptable. It is clear that everyone at U.S. track and field is more concerned with relationships than winning. No athlete should step on the track and run another relay until this program is changed from top to bottom.

The Americans have not won a medal in the 4x1 since 2004 when Sean Crawford, Justin Gatlin, Kobe Miller, and Maurice Green won silver in Athens. And they struggled with the baton too. That's why they got silver. Yeah. Damn. Because if you think about it, in 2004,

Justin Gatlin won gold. I think Mo Green won silver. Sean Crawford won the gold in the 200 meters. So let that sink in. And we got silver with that? Yeah. I don't even know if Canada had anybody there.

I think, did DeGrasse make the finals in the 100 meters? I know he made it in 200 meters, but he wasn't close to the podium. Yeah, I'm not sure. Think about that, Wachon. You got guys that didn't. They're winning medals. If the Jamaicans beat you, like when Jamaica beat us, what you going to say?

They got the gold medalists, they got the silver medalistsist and they got one of the three fastest men that's ever run 100 meters in the soccer pile nesta carters run nine seven eight so i got a i i can't even complain if the jamaicans beat you but when you got teams beating you and they don't got anybody in the 100 meter finals or they don't have they have one guy that might be in the finals but don't podium, how the hell are you beating a team that got two guys on the podium, one guy winning the gold in the 200 meters? Fred Curley is a world champ in the 100 meters. He's won silver and bronze.

Christian Coleman has won the world championship in the 100 meters. Mm-hmm. And we can't. That's crazy. bronze. Christian Coleman has won the world championship in the 100 meters. And we can't. That's crazy. What does Carl Lewis mean by blow everything up? He's saying y'all concerned about relationships. Y'all don't want to put the best place. Y'all just want to keep the relationship with the coaches and everything, cope

and steady. And it's not. It's actually embarrassing. It really is embarrassing that ocho we haven't meddled in 20 years in 20 and the four by one has been 20 20 jesus 20. Jesus. It's embarrassing. And Carl is rightfully so because Carl has one run on the anchor.

You know, hey, you just know, hey, just get it close. All you do is get it close. Carl will do the rest. Carl will do the rest. Don't even worry about anything else. And they've had, you know, whether it was Dennis Call and do the rest. Call and do the rest. Don't even worry about anything else. They've had, whether it was Dennis Mitchell and John Drummond and Sam Grady. They had Ron

Brant. It didn't matter. Just keep it close. This is embarrassing. This is embarrassing. US had one goal since 2000 when they had John Drummond, Bernard Williams, Brian Lewis, and Mo Green. So it's been 24 years?

They won the goal. They haven't won. I think they got the silver. They got the silver in 2004. But they haven't won. I think they got the silver. They got the silver in 2004. But they haven't won it since 2000. And, I mean, damn. It's embarrassing, Mojo.

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Rob received the level of redemption after the order was reversed. You remember last time he ran that world record time world record time 45 94 rod was the second i think he ran 46 19 and then you have allison dos santos who ran 40 46 26 but he worked on this i couldn't understand it and you know ryan now we kind of we text back and forth in the dm but i was i remember talking brother. I said, Spike, I can't understand it. You're talking about a guy that's a sub 10 second flat 100 meter guy. You're talking about a guy that's a sub 20 200 meter guy. And you're talking about a guy that's a low, low 44 in the 400 meters. I don't understand.

But for the first time, he was in front. And Warhol liked to take the pace out. He likes to go out hard. He says, I'm going to catch him if you can. You remember that movie with Leonardo DiCaprio? Catch him if you can. Catch me if you can. That was a good one.

The original scammer. I'm going to get out and I'm going to make you catch me. Catch me, yeah yeah as i'm watching this race when they got to the top of the bin and he hadn't caught him and i know what i know uh rod was sitting on something yeah go back and look at like hurdle it might have been hurdle seven where he stumbled a little bit not not not warhol you didn't see what warhol where he stumbled a little bit when he ran 44 not when he ran 45 94 did he stumble when he run those three world championships did he stumble a little bit what did we say what what what would uh me and mj saying

they made kashane thompson run 100 meters and not let him run 80. Yeah. Rod put him under the gun and says, okay, now catch me. Now you got to get me. Yeah. Now you got to be perfect. Instead of me being perfect to catch you, you be perfect to catch me.

Yeah. It's the three, two hurdles before the last when Warhol went over the hurdle and he didn't, he cleared it clean, but when he came down, he was off balance. He lost his balance a little bit. I said, yeah, it's a wrap because you're not going to didn't, he didn't, he cleared it clean. But when he came down, he was off balance.

He lost his balance a little bit. I said, yeah, it's a wrap. Cause you're not going to be able, you can't recover. You're not going to be able to recover. And you, and you got, you got the fat for the fastest run for the, the four fastest 400 meter hurlers ever. You have more home. Who's the world record holder. Right.

Is the American record holder. You got those Santos and you had Aberdeen Samba from they were saying Cutter at one point in time is Qatar. Let's go with Qatar. Qatar. So you had the four

fastest men that's ever been over 10 barriers around the track. Right. It was I know, I know, I know, I mean, I know Ry is extremely over 10 barriers around the track. Right. It was... I know, I know, I know. I mean, I know Ryan's extremely happy. He texted me talking about, y'all need to get at me.

Nephew, we got you. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on now. Now, when Rob, when he come back to the States, now he gonna have to earn that now. So I done had to hop over plenty of obstacles in life

so them hurdles ain't gonna be nothing. Now we get out there, we can shorten it. We can go, we can go 400. We can go 200. We just, just put them hurdles out.

Now if you could beat me. Well, I'm gonna probably put my money. Well, I'll tell you what, I'm gonna put all the money that I lost. I will put it on ride and get it back because he's in condition.

He's a prime shape and you hadn't run like that in a very long time. So I would take my chance and we'll ride. See, see, now you sound like my teachers in high school never believing in me. Nobody ever believed in me. No, but see, I know where you started from.

I know where he's at. So if you'd have told your teachers, oh, I could go out, I could go out and run such and such right now. What you think he would have said? Probably the same thing. See, it's the thing. You don't get to see me

run. So that's why you're going to be surprised when I beat him. But okay, we on to the next one. No, no, no. We good. I mean, he's been unbelievable. I can't wait for the world to come up. I mean, the world is a year away. Where the world's going to be at? Are they going to be in Budapest?

Are they going to be? No, I think they're going to be in. They're going to be in China. They're going to be in China, Japan. I think there's some there in the Asian market. Twenty twenty five worlds. Tokyo. Tokyo.

And we go. We're going to do nightcap in Tokyo. I'm just I'm planting the seed now. I thought i'm just i'm i'm planning to see now i'm gonna throw it out there now just in case yeah somebody somebody's gonna see this somebody that's a part of the track federation you know what you know we want y'all to come out do nightcap from tokyo i would love to give us an opportunity to talk to the athletes they have media obligations yeah normally nbc normally nbc covers the uh covers the world and and and i understand um they have their obligations but after they get that hey stop by give us like five or six minutes boom yeah it is yeah nbc

so uh it was great congratulations rock congratulations we swept it um it's not a it's not been very often that we won both men's and women's 400 meters we know we got that historic race from sid but this was this lived up to the billing um going back and forth uh but rye has been rye has been in prime shape he's been in tip-top peak condition. And actually, he just tied his world record time, his world leading time. He ran 46.46. That was the fastest time in the world coming in. He hit that mark right on the head again, and it was enough to stand up.

So congratulations to Rye Benjamin and the Americans that we've been doing really, really well. to Rod Benjamin and the Americans that we've been doing really, really well. I've been proud of our team, especially on the track, Ocho. We've been great. Beautiful. Outside of a few hiccups. We're athletic president, hence

that raising women's hurdles height after Sidney's six times breaking the record. Hold on. Whoa. You see? Hold on. She's broken the record six times. What y'all gonna do

with that pole vault record? Mondo DePlantis. He keep breaking... He's done broken the world record nine times. You see? Yeah. You see what they do,

won't y'all? Yeah. You see? Yeah, most definitely. Do anything. Do anything to make sure to put us at a disadvantage. Matter of fact, let them raise the hurdles.

You know what she's going to come back and do? You know what she's going to come back and do? Adjust, adapt, and break it again. She's going to adjust, adapt, and break it again. Ocho, you do realize if you raise those hurdles, that world record that she set will be there forever. You do understand that, right? Yeah, most definitely.

I just want people to understand. They understand that. No, they don't. I don't think they do because they think they'll be hurting Sid. I'm not so sure it can go into effect. Now, they might put it in effect, but I believe Michael Johnson believes and a lot of other people believe that after the Worlds, that will be Sidney 400 meter race in 400 hurdle race. Anyway, she's dropping down to the single lap.

She's been she's want to trace chase Madarina Colts 4760 only two with my congratulations to Paulino the Dominican runner. She ran what she run 4817 which is the fourth fastest time ever

run. It's an Olympic record. She broke Marie-José's record of 48.25 in the Olympics. Only two women have ever gone up on the 48. People don't really understand that. Two women ran sub-48 on a one lap. That's crazy. Now, just imagine this, right? Just picture this. this now look at what

sid is able to run yeah when there's hurdles in the 400 yeah now imagine what sid's time would be if you remove those hurdles and she's just running on free will and spirit based on training well she's five tenths off the american record as it is she's run 48 75 she's dabbled in the 200 meters she's run 2207 which is the eighth and ninth fastest time this year she's had uh prior prior to 56 and then even the polish runner she went sub 49 she ran 48 99 to get the bra this is that was the fastest 400 meter women's 400 meter in their history three women went sub 49 that's crazy it's the same thing they did that with the javelin a guy threw the javelin he threw it farther than a football field 343 feet nobody

as a matter of fact nobody has even come close right so the record's gonna be there forever ever yeah so raise the barriers if you want a record and people like well i ain't no chance of me breaking the record what am i doing it's like i think it's the woman's shot record the woman's shot record is so far out there ain't nobody breaking that record oh cho right then she throwing like 70 feet i mean yeah she threw it 70 something feet hey the shot put record their ball how heavy is their ball I think their ball is 8 pounds Ocho

8 pounds okay what's the women's shot put record that's a long way boy it's just like the high school shot record Michael Carter threw the shot 81 feet ain't nobody breaking that he won the silver medal in the 84 Olympics.

Yeah. What's the women's world record in the shot play? But when you change it, you do understand these records are going to... Oh, that's like 70... That's like 74 feet! That's... I'm sorry. Oh, try's like 70. That's like 74 feet. I'm sorry.

Oh, try to be. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah. Ain't no woman. Look what the women do. Hello. The lady won the shot put today.

Ocho. She threw it exactly 20 meters on the last throw. How far is 20 meters? 66 feet. Give it to me. Give me them football feet? Give it to me in football yards. Give it to me in football yards. She's threw it 65 feet. That's seven feet below the world record.

Give it to me in football yards. She's throwing the 75 feet 75 feet that's 20 it's about 25 20 meters it's 20 yards it It's about 25, 25 yards. Well, that's good. Boy, eight pound ball. Yeah, that's far. I know. Ain't nobody breaking it. Right. Sid has the best chance. Now, maybe Paulino, she ran 48, 17. Maybe she got some push. Right. We'll see. But do you know you're going to have to run the perfect race in the perfect condition and get the perfect

competitors to push you to get that time. 4760 has been 85. There's only two women in the history of track and field that's ever been under 48. Paulino just ran the perfect race and she ran 48.17.

There's a big difference between 48.17 and 47.99. Yeah, a whole lot. Yes. Go ahead and change the height. And see the record. My grandkids, grandkids, grandkids. Ain't nobody ever breaking that.

Just like ain't nobody going to throw the javelin 343 feet. They said it was going too far. So guess what? It ain't going to ever happen again. I don't know. I don't know if anybody's ever been over 90 meters. Let alone 100 meters

in the javelin. But you can't get mad because somebody is... So what when Usain was running those fast times, why don't you say when Usain, you got to start three yards behind everybody else because these world records are getting out of hand. Y'all do realize the man went sub nine six oh that's crazy oh you know how fast nine six is everybody everybody else is already fast nine six and on top of nine-6, he still starts damn near dead last.

Because Sig broke the world record six times. Sometimes a prodigy comes along. Uh-huh. So what did they do with Michael Phelps? Did they make him swim in a different pool?

I mean, Caden Ledecky got all the fastest times in the 1500 minutes she got the top 22 fastest times ever run I mean never swam nothing now see it but you can't stop greatness guess what

she gonna drop down go take the barriers off the track and go win and go win the gold in LA in the 400 meters and then what and then I hit y'all with the deuces I'm out I'm out I mean

what else would she need to accomplish she's a two time Olympic champ with the world record in the hurdles. She's a three-time world champ in the hurdles. And she'll be an Olympic champ in the 400 meters? Yeah. Knowing Sid, she say, you know what? Hey, Bobby, I think I can do it. If you get them to alter this, I'll do both of them.

I'll do a double-double. There was a Cuban guy in 76 Ocho he ran the four he won what did he win did he win the he won the 800 and the four and I think he won I think he won the 800 meters and the

400 meters in the same in the same in the same Olympics gold yes was it Gonz I think it was Gonzales. But he's from Cuba. I know he's from Cuba.

But that's crazy work. What? Can you imagine winning the 8-4 in today's Olympics? No, it ain't happening. Huh? You ain't got to tell me. No. I don't believe we'll ever see another man win the Florida two in the same Olympics. I don't believe we'll see another man,

another female. We, he won the 800 and the 400, right? I don't think we'll ever see another woman do it again. I think Marie Jose Perek and what Michael Johnson did in 96. I don't think we'll ever see another woman do it again. I think Marie-José Perek and what Michael Johnson did in 96, I don't think we'll see it again.

Because you're going to have to stagger it to give them an opportunity. Because that's four races. You can't have eight races and a four-day span, Ocho. You got to give them a chance. You got to qualify. And you got to be special. Do you realize how then you got to qualify. And you got to

be special. Do you realize how special you have to be? You have to be able to do that. And like Mike said, he had been thinking about it because Mike first, when he was talking, he had won his first world championship in the 200. So Mike started out as a 200.

But like he said, he was splitting such great times. He's like, well, hold on, wait a minute. Bro, you're running low 40 folds. You're splitting 43s. We need to put your ass in some blocks. Yeah, let's see what happened. Think about how good he could have been had he just chosen one. There's a big difference.

Now, hey, the one and two is a beast. Yeah. But that devil, that two and that four? Listen, that four ain't no joke. That four make a man out of you. What? That's a grown man's race. Make you put your head on your knees and shake your head. Come on, son.

My homeboy ran that four. Got a nose phone got on the at the top stopped dead is track coach all said come on son you can do it all he do is shake his head said I can't do it coach

you said I can't but hey boy that PM will jump on your back if y'all ran track y'all know what I'm talking about y'all know that pay when that bear and that pee they throw that PM will jump on your back. If y'all ran track, y'all know what I'm talking about. Y'all know that, hey, when that bear and that pig, they throw that PM on your back. Listen, when you hit that 250

yard mark, you think you feeling good? And you get to that 250, that 220, that 250, and that monkey jump on your back? Yeah, okay. That last hundred and some chains be hell all your form out the window oh joe all your form is out the window without for what i are what coach i'll normally have you do you didn't really get to pick what you did coach all like

you're a freshman he throw you in the mile he throw you the half mile i was like coach you know my brother was a starter team, so I ain't run no mile. He's a son. You got to run the three. You got to run the back in high school. We had the three thirds. Okay. We got never ran.

Come on. Don't laugh. Don't laugh. Coach, I'll say, fucker. You gonna run the hurdles i said coach i he said you fine you fine you can jump high and you can run yeah man oh joe oh you don't they go why you don't you know i figured i'll put him down yeah i ain't got no farm oh joe i'm jumping over that thing like i'm jumping over the fence. A dog chasing me. I'm jumping over the fence. Oh, one leg at a time.

One leg at a time. Hey, I look like Jumpman. I look like Jumpman. Jumpman got a leg. Right, right, right. That's how I'm going over the hurdles. But I'm good, Ocho. I'm out there.

Hey, the dude that ended up winning the region, ended up winning the region, I think he got second in the state, he in my heat. Yeah. So you know, Ocho, the first two, three hurdles, I got it. I said, oh, shit. I'm like, oh, man.

I can do this. Oh, I might do something. I can do this. I can do this. Man, Ocho. Man, I got to the top of the bed. Yeah. What, at the 200, 200 yard mark? No, Ocho, I was good. I got to the top of the bed. Yeah. Wait, at the 200, 200 yard mark?

No, I was good. I got to the top of the bed. I probably had about four hurdles left. Right. I sure wish somebody would have moved those hurdles for me. Man. Ocho. Man, my hamstring and my butt felt so heavy.

I feel like I had bricks in my ass. I said, oh. So by that time, Ocho, you know I'm going on the Ocho. You know how you jump over something like one leg at a time and then break the other leg? Ain't no, ain't no. Wait, what's you? Man, ain't no telling what my time was.

I ain't no ain't no telling what my time was I ain't even bother you know sometimes I think about it my kids are older obviously my daughter running track and I always think about damn what would happen if it get to the day where she could actually beat me running even if it's her events obviously if it's the four maybe it's the

eight like that would hurt me so bad I'm talking about I think about it's the eight like that would that would hurt me so bad you know that i'm talking about i think about it all the time what she run baby mo she run she run the four and eight oh okay she probably probably beat you in the four you think so yeah yeah why you tell you what you tell your hamstring up trying to run. She probably can run 60 seconds. 60?

Oh, she way under that. You ain't finna run that. You know what? I'm curious. Let me see. That's a minute. You ain't finna run that. So what's a 200 time? I mean, 800 meter time. Two minutes, 204, 205, 20 time? I mean a 800 meter time.

Two minutes, 204, 205, 202? Hold on. Where you at? Mo, you here? You know what? Now I'm curious. Now we got the Olympic time. I'm curious. That's a good one. I want to know. I want to know.

Yeah. Hey. What's your fastest time in our in the four i'm just saying just in general your fastest time 53 7 and what's your what's your fastest time in eight? 2073? Yeah. All right, man. Unc said you could beat me in the 400. Yeah, you ain't ready to run no 53 seconds.

All right. Man, who? Man, listen. I mean, like right now, because I'm in shape. You got to think. I just had a whole soccer season for three months, right? So I'm in shape. I know I can run. I can open up. I play 11 v 11 on football field, soccer field, big football field.

Right now, I'm telling you, let's say if I was to do a 400 right now, you were to time it. You ain't breaking a minute. Come on. You ain't breaking a minute. I probably come about 45. You ain't breaking a minute. I probably come about 45. You ain't breaking a minute. Probably 45. I'll bet you $5,000 you couldn't run

400 meters right now in a minute. You do know I'll be in Vegas in the morning, right? I'll bet you $5,000. I'll be in Vegas in the morning. We can go to the track. Bet it. Let's bet.

Let's bet. Okay, bet. Bet. Yeah. I bet that. Hey, a minute? You know how disrespectful that is? Yeah, I know. I'm in shape.

I'm in stupid shape. Apple is in shape. So is a pear. They ain't got anything to do with running. Listen, you might cut that too. Matter of fact, you know what? I want mine in ones too.

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take a listen to the interview all right Ocho check this out I told you we were going to have somebody this morning the guy that's joining you this morning he's a two-time Olympic champ at 1,500 meters. He's a one-time Olympic gold medalist at 800 meters, and he won the silver medal in the 800 meter in the Paris. He swam at the University of Florida under the great Anthony Nesty, and he saved the man. Because had he not won a gold medal,

it would have been the first time since 1900, no individual man had won a swimming gold medal. Welcome to the show, Bobby Fink. Bobby, how you doing? I'm doing good. Thank you for having me. Man, thanks for coming on. As I mentioned in your intro,

is that did you feel the pressure? There's already pressure to win a gold medal. You're representing an entire country, and we understand that. But for the first time in over 100 years, had you not did what you did, the men would have been shut out of the individual gold. Did that add pressure to you? Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm someone who personally likes reading all the comments and everything um so on early on like the stories like major news site i was i was going through

like every article reading every comment everything and like there's a bunch of comments saying like bobby better be listening to like lose yourself on repeat right now or something because he's a last chance um i i knew about the record going in before i knew how hard it was going to be um and you know i'm just fortunate enough i was able to get it done because i did not want my name attached to that to for that to be go down um so yeah we got it done now yeah what was it like i'm gonna i'm gonna start you know where it all started from obviously you grew up in clear water from clear, Florida. How did your hometown shape your swimming career to actually get to the point where you are now? attended Olympic trials in 2016. And, you know, I grew up younger than them. I wanted to beat them growing up a bunch. And my mom's the one who taught me how to swim over in Clearwater Beach.

So I was kind of always growing up around water and I liked being in it. And then having two older sisters, you know, I bet you can experience the competitive sibling naturehood there is. And I grew up just wanting to beat them and once i did beat them i wanted to get as far away as possible i could from them you know and yeah i think i've done that pretty well that's dope michael phelps the great michael phelps uh he really needs no introduction he spoke very very highly of individually. But he said he was very, very disappointed in the men's swim team. Now, we know the French team, you get a kind of like when you have the Olympics in your home country, you kind of get a little bump. Marshawn, he different. He ain't getting a bump. He could have swam on the moon.

He could swim in the Atlantic Ocean. He's going to be what he is. But do you think things are going to be different in 2028 when the Olympics are going to be held on home soil? Because it was very disappointing for the men not to do better than what they did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, for sure. I mean, it was kind of a big wake-up call these past couple of years for men swimming specifically just because of how

deep it has gotten how competitive it's gotten which is amazing for the sport you know michael phelps did amazing things for the sport um and you know these past couple years it was a wake up call to us that you know world's catching up we got to do better we got to figure out some ways to to be dominant again um and you know 2028 i feel like it's a perfect time to do it perfect time to to show the world who we are and that you know we're still there um team usa on top always but um you know home olympics especially in la i think it's going to be really magical for us that's dope are there any middle strategies that you go through to prepare for a high competition race, especially like for one represent an entire

country, you're over in Paris, it's the Olympics. None of us have meddled in all the pressure in the eyes of riding on you. Are there, are there any mental strategies that you do any superstitions? Yeah. Um, I, I don't know if I really got, i call them like superstitions for me um but everything is really just how i prepare for the race um especially over at the olympic village the i don't know if you guys have heard but like the food was um very controversial um a bit, um, food wasn't the best, uh, but I had so much pasta, um, just in the days leading up, I was carb loading like crazy. And I, I hate pasta right now. Like I, oh my God.

Um, but like in, in the day leading up to that 1500, a lot of it was motivation on how angry I was after the 800 when i lost right because a silver medal is great and everything um i understand that but like for me deep down i was pissed after that race because i didn't win and i needed that that kind of fire in me to be motivated for the 1500 because i want to stay on top of that podium i want to hear the national anthem i haven't heard it much all me and i need to hear it and i need to do it for our team um and you know behind the blocks i was just telling myself to stay calm but the not like the power is in you but like you know what to do and you know how to swim. You've done it a hundred times. Um, it's really a whole mental game you're, you're having with

your brain is just telling yourself that, you know, you've done it, you can do it again. It's, it's nothing new to you. Yeah. But when, when you look at the situation and when you broke the world record, um, you really, and, and, and you didn't get normally when people break world records, they're getting pushed. You finish four seconds ahead. But what the hell? It's like you had like you had a motorboat and they had paddles. And and so I'm watching you and I'm seeing your stroke and it's so smooth when you're swimming in a race of that distance. Obviously, you know, you got the 50 meters you got 100 meters you got the different strokes but when you're 1500 meters there's a lot of time

for you to be in your own head what are you thinking about when you when you swim in 1500 meters yeah so i normally race my competition and i'll start behind them for the most part or i'll stay right next to them so i like the 100 to 200 you under when I when I had like a body like lead I was kind of like the hell's going on right now Because there's just so abnormal for me but I Could kind of see the scoreboard a little bit when I was racing and on the scoreboard they were show the world record line So I was kind of mentally racing that the whole time and i

was mentally racing okay okay yeah so i saw the world record line like three times during the race and that got me going in the race so hard um but also like i'm very aware of like what is going around me um so i knew greg poltroneri the italian, who was in lane five, two lanes over. I knew he started to inch up on me a lot. And same thing with Daniel Whiffen, the Ireland representative who won the 800 previously. I knew he started to catch Greg a bit. I was kind of peeking over there. But I knew as long as I stood or stay ahead of Gregreg that i would be able to stay ahead of dan um so i was

kind of keeping it that mental it's just like just stay ahead of them i don't have to be too far away from them or like drop drop back to to be at their pace i just needed to stay right ahead of them um right and that that was really a big mental game for me. It was just trying to, you know, be aware of where they are, even though they're behind me, make sure I have a safe distance from them. So that's really what I was focusing on. When did you pick up the 1500 meters? Yeah, it was kind of always one of my things. Just because my sisters did it. And that's what they race. and i wanted to beat them so that's why sadly that is why i became a distance swimmer i you know

now when i look back at things i become a sprinter all day um just because it's yeah that's a lot of training it's more fun and kind of like more exciting. But being a distance swimmer, you know, I did it for my sisters, really. That's dope. That's dope. Listen, as someone who also competed, I'm not as decorated as you, but I did compete when I'm from five years old to 10 years old as a competitive swimmer. I always thought about what it would be like. And I'm thinking about the memories that I had in competing at such a young

age. So for you looking back on your career so far, are there, is there a particular race or moment that stands out as opposed to winning gold? You know, there, there is a race and it was back when I was 11. See, see, I told you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. I was 11 years old. I was swimming the 800-meter freestyle, and it was over at the Orlando YMCA right off of I-4 in Orlando.

It was our age group championships. I was in the lane next to Matthew Hershberger, who at the time was someone who was breaking all of the national age group championships i was in the lane next to matthew hershberger who at the time was someone who was breaking all of the national age group records um fastest ever you know at his age for those events and he i mean he was a year older than me he whooped on me but i thought like when i was 11 i went 9 16 which i still think is really good to this day for an 11 year old um for some reason that race has always stood out to me as like one of my best performances ever and i i don't know why um but for some reason it was just it was just always like it was it was like the first wake-up call. I was like, you know, I'm good at this.

Like, I can keep doing this. Right. You know, and it wasn't a time that beat my sisters, but it was a time that, like, at the time, ranked nationally within 11-year-olds. And it proved to myself that, like, this is the route I'm going to end up going on. Mm-hmm.

Bobby, like, you're 1,500 meters, and you say you've always been in love with the 1500 mainly because your sisters did it and you wanted to beat them but did you study uh the great 1500 meters that came before you the russian vladimir selenikov you look at grant hackett the great australian sunyang the guy his record that you just broke did you study the great ones that came before you and And you look at the progression. I think this race was first contested in 1904. And I think the winning time was like 2248.

We're already down to 1430 now. So when you look at the progression and where we've come from and look at some of the names that have held that world record, where are you trying to take this record to? And what do you hope to accomplish in the 1500 meet yeah i cannot tell you how many times i re-watched sun yang's 1500 back from 2012 um just in the backseat of my my dad's car when he would drive me to practice in the mornings and afternoon i i've watched that race hundreds of times like i'm not even kidding um i knew i knew his stroke i knew how crazy of a time he was he was like 10 seconds out of the rest of the field um in that race and you know even even one of my competitors by race a silver

medalist was in that race um greg poltroneri he was 17 at the time and he got fifth or fourth um and ever since the sun yang um doping controversy thing that happened a few years later greg paltry kind of became like the distance guy who became he got really close to that race and everything and i studied how he raced the entire time um and he was someone who always took it out fast but he has a horrendous stroke um but so kind of just looking at how those guys race because sunying was very conservative at the beginning and came back really hard greg poltroneri was just very fast throughout the entire race greatest pacer i've ever seen um two different race strategies and two very different times. You kind of just

got to like... What I ended up focusing on was trying to harness both of them a bit. I really want to be good at pacing and I think I nailed it almost perfectly for me this past 1500 that I did. I got the pacing done really well.

Yeah. I got the pacing done really well, i got the pacing done really well but i'll still able to come home really fast and and clear the the rest of the competition i guess um and in terms of like taking where this record can go you know one of the one of the like the worst feelings in the world even after like breaking a record like that is that you feel like you can still do better during that race like you know like look back and wow maybe if i did that i could have gone like three seconds faster or something because i was i was generally feeling really good in that race um so like 14 30 was amazing to me but some, it still stings me a little bit inside.

Cause I'm like, I know I could have found like another like second or two in there to get under 1430. Um, just because I was that close, but it, I, I mean,

I want to be one of the guys who brings this record down into the 1420s, maybe low 1420s. And that's really ambitious. I guess because the record 20 years ago was only 1434 so it's only dropped four seconds within these 24 years and to bring it down i i guess like 10 seconds is incredible but i mean someone's got to be able to think it to do it and i know my other competitors are because we've talked about it so So, um, you know, you start thinking it, then the wheels start going and then the record's going to end up going eventually. Yeah. Wait, when I, when I,

when I listened to you talk and I can, I can sense the competitive edge that you have and drive, you know, to want obviously to be the best. Do you, during your career, have you faced any obstacles or significant challenges or setbacks in your swimming career? And is there a way that you had to overcome them or how did you overcome them? If you did have any. Yeah. So I've been, for the most part, I've been very fortunate as a swimmer. I haven't had too many issues. The main issues I had was during college,

I'd fall off my scooter and like break my wrist. But you broke your wrist for real? Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember how it happened, but yeah, I got like stitches on my face and yeah, it was, it was a pretty rough crash but right um broke my wrist then had to skip out on our world university games which was kind of sucky but for some reason when i feel like i'm hindered a bit it kind of motivates me more because i was swimming the whole summer in a brace um on my on my arm so when i was able to like keep up with some of the guys

randomly in practice it would motivate me motivate me a lot just because i was like yo i got like one arm here and i got like a sledgehammer right but and like what i'm finding is i'm getting older my my body breaks down a lot easier. Like this past year, I like did something to my back. I don't know. I became like paralyzed for a week. It was kind of funny. Cause like I get out of the pool,

I'm just like stiffed back everywhere. And I'm, I'm stuck. Yeah. It's, it's become like a running joke on our team. Cause the two guys, Karen Smith and I,

we're both the same age, but we're, our bodies are just breaking every time we're in a weight room his knees are gone my back's gone my shoulder is gone um yeah no i i mean in terms of what i've heard from other athletes right getting like surgeries and stuff and like fixing everything i've been very fortunate everything that's happened to me i've just been able to treat with like rehab and stuff like that. I haven't needed surgery

or anything like that. So I've been very good that way. I'm hoping it stays that way too. Bob, when you look at it, when you are 50, you are 800, 1500 meter swimmer and the type of volume that it requires in training,

what is the typical, how many calories are you eating in a day to fuel your body so you can get back in the pool tomorrow and do it all over again yeah i i mean it it generally ranges per day um a lot of the time because it really depends on how tired i am after practice to be able to cook a meal or go out and get a meal um it easily over 6 000 on the high end maybe close to 10 or 9

i guess it really depends um like i'll i'll down like a piece and a half like no problem at all and that's like three a whole pizza yeah and like a little more sometimes depending on like if i'm eating with my girlfriend. We get two pizzas, so I'll eat one, and then she eats some of the other, and I'll get her leftovers. There we go. I like it. Bob, how much do you

weigh? 173. 173 pounds, and you're eating somewhere between 6,000 and 9,000? Yeah. I'd say so. Yeah. Yeah.

I like it. I don't know why I can't gain weight. So I don't, I don't know. It doesn't work. That's a great, that's a great problem to have Bobby. Can I, let me ask you this. When you, when you, when you see these, when you see these, these prodigies, you look at Marshawn, uh, Michael Phelps was a prodigy. see these when you see these these prodigies, you look at Marshawn.

Michael Phelps was a prodigy. Katie Ledecky was a prodigy. And there's a lot of expectation for them to carry it on. And then we look at someone like Missy Franco. She burst onto the scene. She was the darling. She was the sweetheart. And I think she had some injuries. And I think that's kind of what set her back. But how difficult is it to maintain that competitive edge when you're a prodigy? Michael Phelps, I think he went to the Olympics in 2000 or 2000. It's like 14, 15 year old. And then you see Ledecky.

She does the same thing. How difficult is it to maintain that when you have success at such a young age and then maintain that? Yeah, I mean, it's definitely one of the most difficult things i think that can happen to someone in any kind of sport is you get so much attention at such a young age and depending on how you kind of like handle that it can it can really just make or break you you you'll be successful and then you'll never hear that person ever again, or you'll be successful and you'll continuously see them in the headlines

growing up and everything. I honestly, probably harder than winning a gold medal just because the amount of athletes that are so successful when they're young and you never hear them later on is so high especially in the sport of swimming that it's it's very unfortunate um just because like they had the potential to be there but seeing how they react to certain situations or how they're they're brought up in their sport and everything like that it really can change how they are in the future of the sport and you know michael got it right obviously katie got it right obviously um but like leon's there now and again out of like all those young prodigies there's

there's only three of them and it was like those three so a lot of it is it's it's very impressive to me and you know i want those young prodigies to always do well every single time because it can be huge for all sports um whatever sport they're part of but it's the i don't want to say failure rate, but the drop-off rate of what happens is so high. It's really unfortunate, but I'm rooting for them every time.

I think the U.S. swim team need to give Bob Bowerman a lifetime contract so you can only coach American athletes. He has $5 million, and you don't coach anybody else but American athletes because he has something in his thoughts because he has films he has ledecky and now he has this young french kid marchand yes no i'm not i'm paying you not to coach anybody else you don't have to work you

don't got to catch the american athletes just don't coach anybody else i don't think he'd take it though. I do not think he'd take it, especially after the success he did solidly on. Yeah. Yeah. That was crazy. Being there and witnessing the French crowd when he swam was like, it was magical.

Like I've never heard something louder in my life. Just when he would walk out on the pool deck yeah we got to pay him back we got to get somebody we got to pay him back we got to find some kid in florida i'm right here kid from the dmv we'll get someone we'll get someone in four years time hey bobby outside of outside of swimming do you have any hobbies or activities that you enjoy doing? I know normally we know swimming is your respective craft. But outside of that, I mean, there has to be something else that is your outlet. I call it my peace.

So football, I did all my life. But outside of football, my safe haven and my peace was gaming. Oh, yeah. Yeah. my safe haven and my peace was gaming oh yeah yeah um i definitely do enjoy a lot of gaming especially with the guys on the uf swim team and you know back in the back in the day before like all this um coven stuff happened we it was ping pong because we had a table table in our our team room and for some reason it just became like the game i'd be there for like two and a half hours before practice just playing constantly and like an hour afterwards just because like, you know,

someone said some trash talk. So you got to like go defend yourself. It was in the beginning, it was ping pong and then afterwards I started playing a lot of video games with boys. There we go. I like it. What do you think the most difficult stroke in swimming is?

See, swimming, because there's so many disciplines and so many different races, it's kind of hard to point one out because the hardest stroke to be good at, I would say, is breaststroke because it's so it's so technical and everything like you have an ounce of drag on you you're you're behind and i suck at breaststroke um yeah i i hate it so much i'm so bad at it but like physicalness um raw physic physicalness would probably butterfly yeah it would be fly but their races are some of the easiest which is weird but like for a physical stroke butterfly would be the most demanding but the races there's other all the other strokes races are harder you'll get like

more sore more lactic acid buildup from other races races are harder. You'll get like more sore, more lactic acid buildup from other races, which is kind of, it's weird. Like something's a weird sport when it comes to that kind of stuff. Cause like you, you ask someone who hasn't swam before to do fly, they're not doing it.

Um, and, but you ask someone to be good at breaststroke, they're not doing it for the most part. It's, it's such a, it's just such a unique sport in that kind of way. Bobby,

you ask anybody that's not good at swimming to do any stroke. Freestyle, bad stroke, red stroke. The only stroke you're going to be good at is the rock stroke to the bottom of your boot. Bobby, I just wanted to, on behalf of Shay Shay Media and

Nightcap, we're very proud of you here. I know my subscribers are proud of you. I know the U.S. is proud of you. And to show you how proud we are of you, I don't know if you can see that. Can you see that in your screen? Uh, kinda. Hold on, hold on.

Oh, oh god. Hold on. We're God. Hold on. We're going to break it a little closer. We're going to make sure you can see it. I'm going to take my glasses off. Okay.

He's going to zoom in. My camera guy is going to zoom in. We're going to zoom it in. We're going to make sure you see this. I can't see. Can you see that, Bobby? I can't see. Oh, God. Can you see that Bobby? Yeah. Oh my God.

Yeah. I, yeah. Wow. Yeah. Uh, we got, we got your information.

Um, Oh my God. Wait, wait, wait a minute. Wait, whoa, whoa,

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Bobby. Now in order to get that, in order to get that in its entirety, when you come back to Florida, we have to race.

800, 1500, whatever you want to do. I'll do whatever you guys want. I'll do anything. Hey, if you can beat me, it's all yours. Oh, my God. Hey, congratulations, though, man. Oh my God. Hey, congratulations though, man. Congratulations,

man. Yeah. Get us something nice. I'm proud of you, bro. Congratulations. What you've been able to accomplish thus far. Stay healthy.

Good luck down the road. I mean, the world's the next year. And then in, in two years after that, you got the Olympics in LA. So we look forward to following your career continued success bro and uh congratulations again on all your accomplishments

no oh you you got oh I don't even know what to say you guys oh wow you you guys are amazing um yeah Jesus holy shit hey Bobby you know what I just thought about? Yeah. Bobby, you riding, you riding Clearwater, right? Yeah.

Yeah. You know, I live in Miami. How far are you from me? Uh, uh, about four and a half hours. Oh,

so you more, you more like Orlando down that way, huh? near Tampa. Near Tampa? Yeah. Yeah. I'm near,

it's just because sorry I'm just my brain I think it's just because of the way you have to get to Miami right right because you gotta like

not straight through the Everglades but you have to go to like Naples first and then Naples yeah and then go yeah

alright we'll catch up We'll catch up. We'll catch up. We got to get this. Yeah. I mean, you guys are already legendary in your sport, but you guys are legendary for this. I can't thank you guys enough.

You guys are... No, thank you. You know... Until you're successful. Enjoy. And I appreciate you stopping by this morning. We appreciate you stopping by Nightcap this morning and look forward to

talking to you down the road, bro. No, thank, thank you. I appreciate everything you guys have done for, for your sports. And then obviously for,

for the Olympic games this time, especially for the athletes. Yeah, it is a, it is a dream. This is a dream. And you guys are well apart of it. And thank you.

Thank you so much. Well, all right, bro. Have a part of it. And thank you. Thank you so much. Well, all right, bro. Have a good one. All right, boss. Thank you. The Volume. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next.

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