Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Shai scores 51 as Thunder beat Rockets, Kyrie hurts knee & Bengals Franchise Tee Higgins again

Episode Date: March 4, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” react to Shai erupting for 51 against the Rockets, Kyrie goes down with a knee injury, and the Bengals franchise tag Tee Higgins for a 2nd time. They also react to the Eagles releasing Darius Slay & much more!06:47 - Rockets vs. Thunder24:35 - Kyrie Irving’s injury 30:00 - Mavericks set to raise season ticket prices44:30 - Lamelo Ball 53:00 - Bengals add franchise tag to Tee Higgins again57:48 - Jamarr Chase cryptic tweet1:04:30 - Eagles release Slay(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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his fourth 50-piece this year, and they all come in like the last six weeks. January 22nd, he had 54. The 29th, he had 52. February the 5th, he had 50. And tonight, he had 51. It is his MVP to lose.

As great as Jokic is playing, and he's playing unbelievable. SGA is the MVP. He's playing outstanding. He's controlling the pace of the game. Now, you look at them, they're deep Jalen Williams, they got Kaysen coming off the bench, they got Isaiah Joe coming off the bench

that can defend at a high level, they got Caruso, another defender that can defend at a high level, coming off the bench we know what Lou Doherty is, a tremendous wing defender, but they got scoring at the yin-yang. But Shea tonight, 51-18 of 30, 5-9 for three, perfect from the free-throw line.

Jalen Williams, 8-16, 4-5 from the three-point line, 4-6 from the free-throw line. He had 24. Holmgren had 11. Lou Dort had 11. Hartenstein had 8. And then you had Wallace with 14. Wiggins didn't shoot the ball well tonight,

but we know it's just a matter of time. Yeah. The Rockets didn't play bad, Ocho. You know, they shot 49% from the floor, 46% from the three, 82% from the free throw line. But you allowed OKC to shoot 50% from the floor, 46% from the three. And they shot 89% from the free throw line, and they shot,

what, 10 more free throws than what you shot. Yeah. But, you know, I joke a lot about the Lakers, but, man, I understand what OKC is. I'm not foolish enough to, like, you know, I joke with them, but you don't get to the record that they have,

Ocho, and not be a good ball club. They're a very, very good ball club. They're very well coached, and they believe that they're this good. You know what? Not only are they a very well coached, not only are they a good ball club, but you have a player like SGA.

He's not secluded. He's not secluding the other teammates around him. He's the type of player, when you think about a Kobe, he makes those around him better. Everybody's scoring. You got to think. He didn't got 50 or 51 tonight, and we're not talking about him being selfish.

You know how efficient you got to be where everybody else can still contribute to the scorecard? Yeah, seven assists. Yeah, and you still dropped 51-50? Man, this is fourth one out of here. Fourth one in the last five weeks. Six weeks. Listen, young boy, SJ is different. And like you said,

it's his award to lose. But I don't see it happening. He's too consistent night in and night out to lose MVP this year. Listen, at this point, they might as well give it to him. How many more weeks we got left?

Three, four, a month. You got a month. They got 21 games. Let's see. They played 61 games. They got 21 games left. So they got 82. They're 50 and 11. So they got

21 games left, Ocho. They might as well just go ahead and give it to them now. Yeah. And I mean no disrespect to what Joker is doing. They might as well give it to them now. He's playing unbelievable, Ocho. I mean, you can't I mean, look at his record. Okay, what are you basing it on? Team record. The number

one in the Western Conference. Okay, what does his stat look like? I think if I'm not mistaken, I think he's second. He might be leading the league in scoring now currently. Right. So he might be leading the league in scoring. Their offensive rating is out to yin-yang. He doesn't turn the ball over.

He facilitates, as you mentioned. He gets everybody else involved. There's nothing not to like about this kid. And it just goes to show you, Ocho, you look at him for where he was as a rookie, and you look at how much better he's gotten from the time he was a rookie until now. That's why I say it's hard for me to believe. I'm not saying that everybody's going to take a meteoric jump like him, but it's hard for me to believe that you can do something and you practice at it

that you won't get incrementally better better you have to and now you know we haven't talked we talked about it how good he is on the offensive side of the ball you know in his offensive prowess his ability to score putting the ball on the floor stuff like that oh we forgot to mention his defense we forgot to mention his defense he's also playing defense yeah he's out there in steals. He does lead the league. Ojo, this year, he has the most 50-point games with four. He has the most 40-point games with nine.

He has the most 30-point games, 38. He has the most 20-point games, 59. So he's scored at least 20 points in all but two of their games. He leads the NBA in scoring by over 300 points. So he's. He leads the NBA in scoring by over 300 points. So he's going to lead the league in scoring. Now look, I think he, Giannis, and Yoke will be unanimous MVP,

excuse me, unanimous all-NBA selections, and rightfully so. But Shea, right now, Shea, if he's a unanimous MVP, Ocho, as well as Jokic playing, as well as Giannis is playing, I'm not going to hold you. I'm not going to be mad at you. Say you named this man MVP because that's how well he's playing. That's how well his team is playing. And so if you go back and look at it, look at when Steph won unanimous MVP,

they were, that was the year they went 73-9. So with that being said, yeah, it was an unbelievable game. And like I said, Houston didn't play bad. Now, they did not have Sungoon. They did not have Van Vliet. Dylan Brooks didn't play. They were without a lot of their key guys. Those are three starters right there.

But maybe it's a closer game. I mean, they gave up 137. I mean, they gave up 63 at the half, and then they gave up a 39 piece, and then they gave up a 35. So you're not going to win very many games if you give up 30 a quarter. And that's what they gave up. They gave up 30 a quarter. And you're not going to win a many games if you give up 30 a quarter. And that's what they gave up. They gave up 30 a quarter. And you're not going to

win a whole lot of games. You put them on the foul line. They shoot a bunch of free for a team. They get to the foul line. OKC gets to the foul line. They shot 27 and made 24. And you would think, like, hold on. They shooting 30 plus threes and they still get into the free throw line?

Yeah, Koshae does. Koshae going to get to the line 10 to 15 times a night. He's aggressive. He's aggressive from any big range. But, hey, you watch his game, when he get the ball in his hands, he coming up court, there's no wasting time. There's no playing with the ball. There's no at times when he plays and, you know set and squeeze. But outside of that, when it's

one-on-one, he's at you, make a move and go. He's taller than you think. He's a big guard. He's like 6'4". So he's a big point. 6'4 is short in the NBA. You know that, huh? Not for a point, it ain't.

You don't think so? No. You got point guards 6'7", 6'8", bringing the ball up. You talk about Luka. You talk about Luka. Kyrie ain't that tall. Steph ain't that tall. Van Fleet ain't that tall. Jamal Murray's not that tall.

De'Aaron Fox isn't that tall. Right. Oh, he's 6'6". My bad. I shorted the man two inches. He's 6 tall right oh he's 6'6 my bad I shorted the man two inches he's 6'6 he's 6'6 and so when you look

and the thing is Ocho the pace in which he plays he can post you he got mid-range now he's got the three ball that falls he can get to the rim

so really offensively he doesn't have any weaknesses and guess what you're going to put him on the foul line he's going to get to the rim. So really, offensively, he doesn't have any weaknesses. And guess what? You're going to put him on the foul line. He's going to get to the foul line. So now either you foul him or he makes it. Now, the only thing that you hope when the ball goes,

because he's in a zone right now, all you hope is that the rim don't like it and spit it out. You just hope it, don't you? Like, damn, I hope the rim don't like this shot. And you got to have hope and a prayer for that, especially when somebody bopped in like that week, night, out of night.

The chance that you say it's only a week left. I mean, not to talk a week. You only got about three, four weeks left before the season's over. And they might as well chalk it up. He not finna lay down.

Not with that mentality. Nah, nah. Not with that kind of mentality. Because at the end of the day you still want to you still want to buy like all things being equal i probably want to like have home court so they're fighting with the calves on the other side to see who have home court throughout because if it comes down to a situation and they both make makes it out of their respective conferences i want you to come to me. I want game seven, if necessary, to be an OKC.

But Shea is playing unbelievable. From start to finish, I think he felt jilted last year that Jokic won it. I didn't have a problem with Jokic winning it. When you look at the numbers and what he put up, I think they felt bad. Maybe the voters felt bad because they gave it to Joel Embiid the year before because he easily could have won it that year. He's going to be, he's kind of like LeBron and Jordan. He's always going to be in that

top three. He's going to win and beat the top three because of the numbers that he puts up. He's averaging 28, 28, 13, and 10. He's a center. Yes! And so, but Shea leading the league in scoring. He's up there in steals.

The best team in the Western Conference. They're playing extremely well. I don't see how anybody else other than him wins that MVP. And that's not a knock on Yoke. I don't think Giannis has a chance to win it because his team record isn't what it needs to be.

Now, if you want to throw JT in that mix, do you like Jason Tatum enough to put him in that mix? Considering how well the Celtics are playing, they're the number two seed in the East. But see, I think the thing for me is that I think the thing that works against Jason Tatum, and Chad, y'all let me know what y'all think. Are we sure Jason Tatum is the best player on that team? You know what? I asked you that last season. All I know is that when it comes to the awards.

When it came to the playoffs, right? Jason Tatum, Jason this, Jason Tatum this, Jason Tatum that. When I watched the game, obviously, you know, for me, the game of basketball, I wasn't on top of it like I should be, you know? So, obviously, I'm locking in with you, watching the game, so I can be able to talk about a playoff. And I'm watching the game, and all I'm hearing is Jason Tatum's name. But when I watch the game, all I'm seeing is Jalen Brown.

So I'm thinking to myself in my head, well, wait a minute. Based on what I'm seeing on TV, it's different than what everybody else is telling me. So I asked you last year, are you sure Jason Tatum is, for one, one that can be in a position to be the face of the league? But hell, let alone— He can't be the face of the league when you're questioning whether or not he's the best player on his own team. That's got to be definitive. That's got to be undeniable.

There is no ifs and buts about it. If there's anything, he can't. So how are you going to be the face, supposedly the face of the league, and you're not the best player on your own team? Because what we saw is one guy win finals MVP. We saw another, the same guy win Eastern Conference MVP. We see that guy a lot of times takes the toughest matchups he took luca and still gave you the production that he gave you normally if a guy

if you're asking a guy to give you that kind of production offensively he needs to take a risk defensively but that's not what jaylen brown did he hounded it. And then, yes, he could turn it over. Hey, Holiday, you take him. Okay, Derek White. But initially, I'm going to start on him. And that's not a knock on Jason Tatum. I think he's a phenomenal player. He's won three first-team All-NBA selections for a reason. He's a two-time

Olympic gold medal winning player for a reason. This is not a knock, but at the face of the league, Jason Tatum is a comparable player. Jalen Brown is a comparable player. I got a question, too.

This is for the chat as well. Y'all tell me what you think. Let's say you take Jason... I mean, excuse me. Let's say you take Jalen Brown out the equation, and he's not on the Celtics, and you have someone else in that spot. Jason Tatum's still there putting up the numbers he's putting up this year so is it case for jason tatum being the mvp this year enough is he still doing enough no he's not going to mvp this year he can't do enough to overtake sga and yoke no it's going to be it's first of all you're going to have to have a season

for a guy to win the mvp over yokich because his numbers are gonna be this he's gonna be somewhere around 27 points he's gonna be somewhere around 10 to 13 rebounds he's gonna be somewhere around 9 to 11 assists so in order for you to win it you're gonna have to be like sGA, averaging 32-33. Your team's success, you're going to have to be, you know, 10 games above everybody else. You know, Lakers in second, the Nuggets are in third percentage points. So you're 10-11 games ahead of them. So in order for you to win the MVP over Yolk,

because he's going to be somewhere around second or third, he might get the first seed, but his numbers are going to be so good. Kind of like when Jordan, his number was so good it took carl malone to win his 60 plus games him averaging 27 and 12 right to overtake jordan 30 and 6 and they had a slightly better record uh but they work well together i i love the fact because a lot of times people would try to like, they need to get rid of one of them. The other day, but they figured it out. They found a way to play together and realize it was mutually beneficial for

the both of them to remain together as opposed to split them apart. Because we see that so many times. Yes. It is robbed some teams of the potential championships because one guy wanted to be the lead dog and i don't want to i don't want to be i want to be the lead dog i don't want to be both of us in the harness together side by side i need to be the lead dog and uh i love that jt and jb they praise each other they compliment each other yeah i'm sure uh j uh jb was upset that he's like hold on bro hold on i'm eastern conference mvp i'm finals mvp

and you take two of my teammates i understand i understand jt because he was on the previous team and he's been a three-time first team allam All-NBA selection since then. Yes, sir. Bro, y'all take two of my teammates? Yeah. You know that was personal, huh? It's something. You know that was personal. I'm going to leave that there.

So I'm glad they were able to work this together because they should be, for the next five years, they probably should get a couple championships because both guys are under the age of 30. A young team, it all depends. I think Przingis is up after this year. Isn't Przingis a free agent? You got Derek White signed to a long-term deal. You got Holiday signed to a long-term deal.

Peyton Pritchard, who used a heartbeat off the bench, he might get him a little conscious. Somebody might break him off. They're like, hey, come on over here. You're doing that for Boston. He has one more year. They'll probably look to extend him. But good game tonight.

OKC moved to 50 at 11 with a 137-128 victory over the Houston Rockets. The Rockets dropped to 37-24. They were playing without Alfred Sangoon. There was Dylan Brooks and Van Fleet, who's been out for an extended period of time. Dylan Brooks didn't get, although he didn't play. He was dressed, but he didn't play? Nah.

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So he's having a long minute. Try to keep them afloat until AD comes back. But you're putting a lot of, you're putting a lot of, he's got to do an awful lot. He's got to facilitate. He's got to score. That's a lot. When you think about what he has to do with AD being out

a player like Kyrie of his caliber that can run the offense that can set things up that can facilitate that can get hot on any night especially when he has to score

when the onus is on him to lead the way Kyrie can do that so when you say it's a lot it's a lot to ask of him to do and he's the type of player he's one of the ones that left Cleveland because he wanted to be the head dog, right? Right.

Right. So, listen, this is your chance. This is the chance to show what you can do. But he's finding out there's a lot more going into it. Ocho, there's a lot more going into it than being the lead dog now. Yeah, you're going to score a bunch of points. Yeah. But at the end of the day, people are going to be looking at you like, bro, what's going on?

Oh, okay. I see what you're talking about. What about that team? I mean, he's averaging the third most minutes per game in his career, and he's doing it as he's starting to get older. Normally, the minutes decrease. If you go back and look at Kobe, you look at LeBron, and you look at Jordan, they're playing 39-40.

I think one year LeBron played 42 minutes a night. Jordan was up there. Kobe was up there. But as you start getting 30, now you start coming back, whoa, whoa, I need to be around somewhere between 35 and 37. What's he averaging now? He might be averaging 35, 37. 30 minutes to 37?

37, 36, that's a lot of minutes. And because of things, there's a difference between playing 36 minutes and you got Luca running shotgun with you. Playing 36 minutes and you got AD. 36 minutes and you got KD hard.

36 minutes and you got LeBron. Right. Cause you can be out there on the court for 36 minutes and you can coast. Harden, 36 minutes and you got LeBron. Right. Cause you can be out there on the court for 36 minutes and you can coast. KD gonna get buckets. Harden gonna get me buckets. Luka gonna get me buckets. LeBron, AD. Uh, bro, when you out there with the,

you, you got the work. You know, sometimes, you show up at the job, hey, you just show up, you just there. I ain't doing no work today. I'm talking to everybody. Cause, sometimes, Ocho, you show up at the job, hey, you just show up, you just there. I ain't doing no work today. I'm talking to everybody. Because, hey, I know everybody else going to do their job. Ugh.

It ain't like that right now with Kyria Dallas. And they're trying to do everything they can to kind of stay in the sixth spot, don't have to do the play-in. You know, if you're in the sixth spot, you avoid the play-in. And so they're hopefully, I'm sure they're hoping they can get AD back at some point in time. Probably have him reevaluated in the next seven to ten days and see where that goes. But I wish Kyrie a speedy recovery. Hopefully it's nothing serious.

Did he hyperextend it or did he step on somebody's foot and twist his ankle? Which one was it? I didn't see it, though, Joe. Yeah, even on the replay, I still couldn't tell. He hyperextended his knee? He couldn't put any weight on that foot. It was his right foot, to be exact. I'm thinking the way they helped him off the court, it wasn't a hyperextension.

I think he twisted his ankle a little bit. I'm not even going to talk about my remedy to fix that. He stepped on the guy's ankle and his knee kind of buckled a little bit. That's Valanchunas, I think. Isn't that Valanchunas he stepped on? Yeah.

He stepped on his foot. Hey, that's one of the worst things you could do. You ain't got to tell me nothing You're a hooper When you step on somebody's ankle And your eyes are looking up So you're not ready for it And the foot is already relaxed too

So you're getting all that Man That's not a feeling That's not a feeling uh it's nothing major hopefully it's just a little simple little tweak a couple of days rest some ice and uh Kyrie will be able to come back because without Kyrie they're 32 and 30 right now where are they now they're 10th they're in the 10th spot. That's the play. That's the last spot for the play in. Yeah. It's not looking good.

Nah. Which would be even worse for Nico Harris. Because at one point, they were where they were. I think they were in the fifth or the sixth spot. And now, all of a sudden, AD comes in, has so much promise, and he goes out. And now you slide, and you miss the playoffs, and Luka and them are in the playoffs? They go from 7-2? Yeah. And Nico Harris

is going to look crazy after that, huh? Really? He's looking crazy as it is. But you hear me? So, check this out, Ocho. Let me know what you think. Yes, sir. The Dallas Mavericks raised ticket prices, cite investments.

The Dallas Mavericks revealed that they're raising their season ticket price next season, I think about an average of almost 9%, just weeks after dealing Luka to the Lakers. The Mavericks says season tickets will go up by 8.61%, which is about 9%, and the increase is due to ongoing investments in the team and fan engagements. One fan tweeted, 30 days ago, the Dallas Mavericks traded away their homegrown superstar, called him fat, and laughed in the fan's face about it.

Today, they decided to almost double the prices of my season tickets from the past couple of years. The new ownership is disgustingly out of touch. Hold on. Not only are they out of touch, can you give me a better reason? What team, what business actually raises prices mid-season? No, this is for next season. Oh, okay, okay, okay.

Don't be getting your head up. Let your savior, like my granddad used to say, boy, save your pennies up so you can get it. Oh, they let you know ahead of time. Okay, okay. I don't get what they say, but that's slightly disrespectful. I don't, and look, if they had kept Luka

and said, we're going to raise ticket prices, I don't think fans would have had anything to add, nothing bad to say about that decision, Ocho, because it's Luka. Because normally you want to keep your homegrown guys. Well, definitely. Especially normally you want to keep your homegrown guys. Well, definitely. Especially if they want to stay. Because a lot of times they get, you know, you see Zion,

he wanted to leave. AD wanted to leave. LeBron ended up leaving. KD ended up leaving. Russ left. Harden left. Reggie Jackson. I mean, so forth and so the list goes on and on about you getting these guys and then them leaving. Luca, from everything that I've read and people that was close to him

that knows him, he didn't want to leave Dallas. No. The fans didn't want him to leave Dallas. Now, if you ask Philly fans, they might not be so disappointed if you trade Joel Embiid, considering his injury history and he's missed as many games as he's played. I don't think the fans was disappointed when they traded ben simmers considering the regression that they had

started to see in his play luca we saw no regression we only saw ascension in his play and they traded him and after you trade him you have the unmitigated gall. You have the audacity to bring your ass in here and talk about you raising prices. Mm-hmm. No. And listen, you know what? You know what also? When Nico Harris makes a move like that, one thing that you can stand on is hoping that whoever you trade for

replaces the product that actually left. And it makes the fans forget about the trade based on your production and what you do. But he's been out. And then to say what you say, what's going to happen next year, what you're raising prices, well, hey, how about y'all fix next?

How about you fix this season first? Mm-hmm. Fix the product on the court this season because then we wouldn't have a problem paying for next season if what we wanted and we were getting was on point this year. Well, ain't on point this year. Well, ain't no fixing this year.

This is your team moving forward. The question is how soon does AD come back and what's the severity of Kyrie's injury? Because if both is down for a substantial amount of time, this season is over. This season is over. You're not going to be without four of your top six, seven guys and think you're going to make the playoffs. That ain't happening.

They're a good team. They're not that good. No team can overcome being without, say, a Kyrie, a AD, a Gafford, a Lively. That ain't happening. So the only thing they can hope is hope and pray that within the next seven to ten days, they can come back and they can go on a little run. Because it's not like they got a whole lot of game. It's not two months left in the season, though, Joe.

It's one month left in the regular season. Yeah. And they need to figure this thing out. But it's, bro, when you, when, first of all, fans like, we already being pinched. We already being pinched. You see they cutting jobs and inflation and eggs and gas and milk and these prices are rising.

The cost of a family is rising. And bro, y'all just traded the person that I wouldn't mind paying $500 a game to come see y'all traded him and now y'all asking me to pay 750 no hell no you think about you think about look at the landscape of the nba and you think about prices on how much tickets cost there are two or three players on every team on every team i don't care how you how you look at it where fans are that that put butts in the seats it's about two or three players that actually put butts in the seats regardless of what the price of the tickets are they make you forget about it

they make you forget about the economy because i know what i'm getting once i go watch these boys play yeah and you need superstars because of the nba look it's all about a superstar that's why the Lakers try to move heaven and earth to try to keep them and for the longest time they've always had them they had I mean when they were in Minneapolis they had George Mikan and then when they come to LA they had Baylor and they had Jerry West and then they make the trade then they get Will and then a couple of years later they get Kareem and then they drafted, and they get Bob McAdoo, and they draft James Worthy, and then they get Shaq, and then they make the trade for Kobe, and then they get LeBron to come.

That's what the Lakers do. You have to have superstars. People want to see superstars, the best of the best, or what they'll do, you'll sell the building out when those superstars come. So when Steph Curry is coming to your town, it'll sell the building out when those superstars come. So when Steph Curry is coming to your town, it's going to sell out. When LeBron comes, it's going to sell out. Yeah. I mean,

when Jordan was in the league, you already knew. Jordan's going to be a sellout. Kobe and Shaq are going to be a sellout. LeBron was going to be a sellout. You knew that. Bro, I want to sell out. I want my home game to sell out regardless because we're playing. Not that y'all come to see somebody else.

Right. Hey, can you imagine what the price of tickets were, courtside, when Kobe and Shaq were together? Oh, my gosh. Can you imagine what the price? I know the price is probably extensive now, and I'm sure it's gone up since then, but can you imagine what it was?

Oh, yeah. Especially come playoffs or big games, they play San Antonio or they play, you know, who else was a rival of theirs? Oh, Sacramento was a rival of theirs when they had Chris Webb and they had J. Will. The Suns, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But now? Boy, Luka first game? Yeah, which is when Courtside was, huh? Just a matter of fact, when you give me the price of Courtside right now for a Lakers game, use the NFL players number currently right now

don't tell me the number just give me an nfl player jersey number for better contact because i don't want to hear the price because it's gonna make me mad you don't know when you will be bad uh first of all they got they got luca and lebron so the tickets are already going to be high giraffe who hot to begin with okay now think about when his first game he played dallas yeah now it's his old team okay everybody wanted to see that so probably you're probably looking at about closer you go to center court, the more expensive the tickets. You probably would look at it about probably a $20,000 ticket for center court. Okay. Okay, I thought it would have been worse than that, honestly. Now, you go to the playoffs.

I thought it would have been worse than that. No. Okay. Okay. $20,000? Mm-mm. Okay. Okay. But, uh, but come playoff time, you dealing with the Lakers. I mean, like some tickets, Ocho,

you go sit coincide $1,500, $2,000. That ain't happening in no Laker game. Nah. And it also depends on the city you go to. Yeah. Yeah. And the food, now you get everything you mean

you all the food free right but consider what you pay for that ticket it should be right you don't access vip yeah because i had half season tickets and you made me miss all my games who did ocho wait how did i make you miss all your games you could have just took them to the games with you because you started nightcap huh because you started nightcap I listen I started nightcap but what you could have done is is we could have been a part of a consistent routine of going to the legion game sitting courtside you could have sat there and taught me you know the intricacies of the game how How am I going to sit? How are we going to sit courtside and we coming on after the game? What are you talking about?

I know Jenny Bush. She would have gave us a private room in the back. We get to set up our nightcaps up right there after the game in the stadium. Can you imagine? Nobody's doing nothing like that. No. But anyway, that's just an idea to throw at you next year. No, I'm good.

I got to save my pennies. What you saving for? Cause. I don't want to work myself. I don't want to do this for the next 10, 15 years. I done told you about saving the past two years. You talk about flying private jets and flying first class. I ain't flying no private jet.

You flew private telling me you would. So you ain't flying private. And I told you it made that way there's no need to waste that kind of money we can get to the same same place from point a to point b on another airline you forgot about that you forgot that conversation sometime you know told me i want to enjoy myself yeah i want to enjoy myself oh so now you didn't did a 180 now it's about saving money yeah i'd enjoy myself so now i gotta i a 180, now it's about saving money. Yeah, I enjoy myself, so now I got to save. I like it.

I like the growth. Now, if we can get the growth in other areas and other facets of your life, we're going to be all right. Luka changed his mind on long-running Lakers fans' conspiracy. A notable theory has sprung up that opponents are so determined to beat them that the injured players intentionally target Lakers games for their returns. Just yesterday, for instance,

Norma Powell returned from a five-game absence to face the Lakers. Two games earlier, Dante DiVincenzo, who had missed the previous 19 games. Before that, Dwight Powell had missed 16 games. Melo Ball played a total of 10 minutes in his last three games before the All-Star game,

but played 33 against the Lakers immediately after. The newest Laker noted that even he has spotted a trend. Lucas laughingly said, I didn't believe it before, but they say if somebody's out for a long time and then they play against the Lakers, so I don't know what to believe at the time, but obviously it against the Lakers. So I don't know what to believe at the time, but obviously it's the Lakers. So I think it's normal. Yeah, I think it might be coincidence.

It's the Lakers. Yeah. You think people are just coming back simply because you're playing the Lakers? Lakers on TV. Lakers are big. What? Who do you want to?

What I know is that what game that I know everybody's going to watch, what game do I know is going to make sports similar? 1,000%. Okay. Okay. I got you. I got you.

I would give it to say, but here, you're on TV regardless. If you're not on TV, depending on how you play, you can be on TV. You're not having to play the Lakers. I know for certain I'm going to be on TV if I play the Lakers. Okay, I got you. Even though the Lakers are not the champs, you gear up to play them. Right. That's the Lakers.

That's LeBron. That's Luka. That was Kobe. That was Shaq. That was Magic and Kareem and Worthy. Yeah, we don't gear up to play y'all. It's so funny how if you think about the trio that has this mystique and aura aboutem, and Worthy. Yeah, we're going to get up and play, y'all. It's so funny how, if you think about the trio that had this mystique and aura about them, right?

No matter what goes on, whether they're winning, whether they're losing, they just have this historical feeling or where everybody either wants to play against them or play with them. The Yankees. Yeah.

The Lakers. Mm-hmm. Hold on. I almost missed it. Yankees, Lakers. There's one more to that trio. What, baseball? Dodgers?

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the trade market this summer oh joe should teams be interested in trading for lamello with his injury history oh see you know what then now that part now when you say that it made it makes every part everybody pause it makes everybody pause. It makes everybody think. You take away his injury history. Let's say you take away his injury history. Let's talk about what LaMelo Ball does and gives you when he's on the court. He's lights out, huh? He's box office.

He's one of those individuals, you know what, with tickets at $800. You know what, I don't mind paying $800 because I know LaMelo Ball is on my team. He's on our team. I know what I get when I'm coming to watch him. I'm going to get my money's worth. Now, once you factor in his injury history and what happens when he's out time to time, ah, you know, now you perceive a caution to the wind. Now, that's the bad thing. But listen, anybody can get hurt. hurt it happens it's a game of basketball

it's not it's not that much of a buy as a violent sport it's football but it's very physical injuries are gonna happen especially and you know lamello small huh is this frame i mean he was six seven six eight uh really thin frame. His ankles are fragile. I mean, he might have to go through that with Steph. Remember, Steph was the same way. Steph stayed injured. That's why he got that little men contract, and then he just was able to stay healthy.

That might be a situation. He might need to reach out to Steph. He's like, Steph, man, how did you like these ankle injuries? How did you eventually get over it? Because, man, there ain't nothing to play with. You're talking to a guy that had ankle injuries, and, hell, I thought I was going to have to retire at 26. Man, my stuff was bad, don't you know?

You're talking about step on somebody's ankle? I can literally step on somebody's ankle, and it will blow up like a cantaloupe. That big? Ah. And the worst part was doing it on the road. Because guess what? I got to get on a plane and fly back home.

You know what happened when you get in there? With that pressure? Swole right up. Even more. Yeah, yeah. You know, I wore those stockings. You know, I put those on both my legs to keep the swelling down. Because I swole a lot.

Huh? Those white ones. No, those white ones. You know those I put those on both my legs to keep the swelling down. Because I swole a lot. Huh? Those white ones. No, those white ones. You know those stockings? Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Man, I had those things on Ocho, man.

Because, man, look here. I get on that plane, man. My knees and ankles swell up. Yeah. Man. Because I remember I was in Baltimore my last year, Ocho. I got my knee drained every week. Oh, wait a minute.

Every week? Every week. You're right. Drain, the needle, pull out, glucose, blood. The first time I got both of them drained, Ocho, they got about 130 cc's off both ankles. I mean, both knees. 130 cc's? You know how much 130 cc's is?

Yeah, I know how much it is. How did you even practice with that moving around? I didn't practice. That was the thing. They gave it off. I get my knees drained about three hours before the game. I would ice it, try to keep the swelling down then they would you know put hot packs ocho so i get get some uh uh some mobility in there right right uh but i

was getting i was probably getting 30 40 cc's drought drone again man but listen you know let me i i thank i thank god for being able to play for a long time with no injuries you know what, let me, I thank God for being able to play for a long time with no injuries. You know, for as long as I played and as reckless as I played, I got hit really clean

one good time. One clean hit in 11, 12 years. Outside of that, everything was basically normal. Like, man, listen to some of your injury, your passion.

Oh, I was a pincushion, Ocho. I get something done, they're like, I don't know, Sean. I say, if I shoot it up, could I be able to play? Right. Shoot it up. You get out there and go. Shoot it up.

Both shoulders, bad. I separated both shoulders. Man, they put about three or four shots in. They put two shots in this with two shots in that one. Man, I was doing jumping jacks. Wait a minute. How do you separate both shoulders? Rest your soul, Dave Dorison.

I caught a seven route. Safety. You had to be safety. Yeah. Old Chicago, he was with the Bears. He was with the Cardinals at the time. Right. So he landed on me.

Crack. I hit the ground. Crack. Then he So he landed on me. Crack. I hit the ground. Crack. Then he landed on top of me. Crack. Wait, so you did both shoulders at the same time? At the same time. Well, God, man.

Well, if that ain't bad. Bet I'll like this, Ocho. Hey, the whole week. Hey, they put that medicine in there. Yeah. And you was good. Did you wear the harness? Let me tell you what I did, Ocho.

So we played the Raiders. I'm feeling good, too, Ocho. I feel good. Man, we were at a Tom's crack. We were at a Forrest crack. Right. And it was Ronnie. I feel good. Man, we were at a tone crack. We were at a force crack. Right. And it was Ronnie. It was Ronnie. It might have been Ronnie. I push up.

The corner retreat. Here comes safety. Man, I hit that, Ocho, I forgot. Normally, if you got something hurt you hit it with the opposite one well both of mine messed up

so I just say so I just say it is what it is why Ojo tears just start coming down my face ah boy hey Ojo I don't know if you ever had that pain but it feel like electricity go through your body.

Yeah, yeah. I know. It's like a pinched nerve. That pinched nerve. That pinched nerve feeling. It's not a good thing. Told you I did like this here. That's a Greek.

I'm done. Oh, he was out after that? He was done? Yes. Man, he knocked all that medicine out them shoulders. Hell. Yeah, I was done after that, man. So I understand having to deal with injury history.

For two years straight, I shot up my ankle every week. Sometimes I had to shoot up both of them. It had gotten so bad, ask anybody that was in there, the skin started to come off my ankles. From getting it shot up so much? Yeah. And completely discolored. It was like I had Villaligo. started to come off my ankles. From getting it shot up so much? Yep. And completely discolored. It's like I had Villaligo.

It was like as dark as I am, and it was just like pure yellow. Pure, I'm talking about like white. That's funny. People, you talk about stuff like this, and everybody look at the glitz and glamour when it comes to athletes, and then you sit down and you're able to hear stories like this about the sacrifices and injuries that you got to go through.

And we do it all over again. As broke down as I am, I do it all over again. I'll take my black ass right back out there. No regrets. Yeah. Absolutely not. Oh, look, if you play this game long enough, there are going to be times

that you're like man i don't know how on sunday or monday tuesday i'm like man i ain't no way in hell i'm gonna be able to play right greek but greek uh greek and tiff would always like a sharp just just think positive and we got we don't have to play today if we had to play today you probably wouldn't be able to go but that's how you see how you feel on. Let's see how you feel on Thursday. They kept that positive. I was like, hey, Sharper, how you feel? Man, I feel better.

I think I might turn the corner. You know what I'm saying? Because I wanted to play Ocho. Man, look, I ain't got to have no 20 years. I ain't no doctor, no lawyer where I can have a 25, 30-year career. I got a finite period of time. I'm going to try to maximize it. They let me know all Shannon, you know, you shooting up, blah, blah, long term.

I said, bro, bro, let me worry about that in 30 years. Right now, I need to get out there. I got people depending on me. So I wouldn't. And that's what they know. I got to do what I got to do. Oh, Joe, the Bengals franchise tag T. Higgins for the second consecutive year. The Bengals do not want to allow Higgins to hit the free agent market

and will not turn their attention to negotiating a long-term deal. Cincinnati has until July 15th to reach a new multi-year deal with Higgins or he'll make a fully guaranteed $26.2 million. Since the second time he will get tagged, he will make 120% of his 2024 salary, bringing them up to $26.2. Right. Is this a deal going to get done, or are they making sure they get something back on an eventual trade?

Do you believe, do you believe they're going to sign T to a long-term deal or are they going to try to sign him and then trade him and get compensation? You know, I'm not sure. I'm not sure even at this point. And understanding the value that T will get or what his value is right now on the open market, I think the Bengals understand that. I think T understands that as well.

Now, also on the right side of things, as a Bengal fan myself, true, diehard Bengal fan, I would love to see them keep the trio together. I would love to see them keep the band together. The salary cap went up, huh? The salary went up. I think it's like $279. Right. It's $279.

But when I think about it, listen, Jamar Chase is getting ready to be the highest paid and reset the quarterback market as far as contractually. So I understand that. Then I'm not sure what they're going to do with Joe Burrow. Is he going to restructure in some sort of way to make wiggle room not only for just T. Higgins but for Trey Henderson, for other needs that need to be met? Henderson's going to want $30,000. He see the market. He got 17 and a half sacks for the last two seasons. Yeah.

You ain't got to tell me. I know. I know. So, boom. What's going to happen? What's more important? Where are the needs that need to be met for us as a team? I know fans want to say bring T back.

I love T, but I also understand what T can get. I understand his value on the open market. Yeah. Now, obviously the franchise tag, you did it. You did it to me one year. Now when you do it to me one year, basically you're telling me, listen, we don't really see the value in you and give me a contract long term. So what we're going to do is, is we're going to tag you.

That means they're betting against you. Yeah. Talk to me, please. They're betting against you. Because if you thought, if you thought I was what I, if you, if you think of me, what I think of me, you give me, please. Because if you thought I was what I was, if you think of me what I think of me, you give me the deal. It wouldn't have been no questions asked, song. The deal would have got done last year.

And now double back come this year again. T. Higgins, great year. Big game. Stepped up. Huge. Yeah. He only played 12. I think he only played 12 games, Ocho.

But he still had 10 touchdowns. Yes. Let's talk about it. He averaged like 75 yards a game receiving. So if you extrapolate that over the full 17 games, we know what type of season he would have had, even with Chase doing what he did. And that's the problem that you run into, Ocho,

when you keep pushing the cans down the road. Okay, you kick Jamar Chase's can down the road. And you see what happens. He gets the triple crown. Okay, you wouldn't do anything with Hendrickson. Now he led the league in sacks back-to-back season, which he's had 17 and a half. Okay, you franchise tag T. Higgins.

Now he follows that up, and he's like, y'all got to pay me because I see Jalen Waddle with years left on his contract got 28. Y'all mean to tell me I'm at the end of my contract and y'all think franchising me at 26 is good? No, I need guaranteed

money. I need like 75 million fully guaranteed the first year. Now we can talk. I'm curious. Normally, most of the time, teams use the franchise tag to their advantage. Not only does it

lock a player up, but when you do it for a second year, I'm trying to buy myself some time. Yeah. I'm betting against you. I'm betting that you won't have another year like that. Right. Because what good is it, Ocho, if he has another year like that? Maybe you want to sue Bo and say, well, we got a Sue Bolada and have another year like that. Right. Because what good is it, Ocho, if he has another year like that? Maybe you want to sue Bo and say, well, we got a Sue Bo ladder. We can let him go.

Right. That's because at some point in time, if you're drafting the type of player that you believe you are, you're not going to be able to keep them all, Ocho. It's just impractical. You're not going to be able to keep Chase at 40. You're not going to keep Joe at 55. You're not going to be able to keep Chase at 40. You're not going to keep Joe at 55. You're not going to be able to get Hendrickson.

He wants 30. T. Higgins wants 30. Excuse me, L. Tom. No, you're good. You're good. Add that number. Now, they got a little bit more cap space. They waved out Alex Kappa, the guard.

I guess he had a bad year. I mean, looking at it, he gave it most sacks, most pressures, most hurries. So it was, it was pretty bad. Jamar Chase posted this cryptic treat of Joe Burrow on Instagram. What?

At T Higgins. If you can see it on your screen, he like. Even the players as fans, fans and Bengal fans, they always come to, um, they, they don't, they don't understand the difference in how the players feel from the business side of things as opposed to how the fans feel. The fans think, oh, it's so easy.

The cap is going up. They're going to sign everybody. Listen, if you look at the reactions, you look at the reactions from T, you look at the reactions from Jamar Chase, it tells you that things aren't as sweet as you think on the outside looking in regardless to how the cap numbers have gone up. Because you have to think, the Bengals have a franchise to run. They're not thinking about now, they're thinking about the foreseeable future when it comes to their books.

I won't long-term guaranteed money. Yeah. Well, listen, they got till July to get it done. Mm-hmm. They got till July to get it done. Mm-hmm. They got till July to get it done. Now, me, as much as I want T to stay,

I love T. I love my Bengals. I love the organization. Matter of fact, I love the fans that argue with me back and forth, Zim, who they?

I know you're probably going to see this. I love you too. And everybody else. But I just don't see it happening based on what T is deserving of and what Chase is going to be making. Chase is going north of 40.

Oh, he is. He's resetting the market up. Yeah. He's going north of 40. For the simple fact, you made me wait. You dragged me. T said, I'll tell you what,

y'all like that 26.2? Give me that in guaranteed money. Give me 80 million for the guarantee. And then y'all can put it however you want to. But I need to make 80 million. I need to make 80 million in the first three years, though, Joe. Yeah, we good. We can talk.

We can play like that. I need to make 80 million. Hey, give me $80 million signing bonus. And then I'll play. The first year, I'll play for like $1.2 million. Then I'll play for $5 million. And the next year, I'll play for $10 million. Yeah.

Give me a nice. Since y'all say $26 million, everybody talk. Okay. Just go ahead and give me that. Yeah. And give me a nice lump sum in signing bonus too now. Give me all. Give me.

Give me security. Give me $70 million signing bonus. Give me some security now i need my nest egg in case something happens just in case because i ain't going to lords of london well take that hey if i if i'm chase chasing y'all maybe take this 10 million dollar insurance policy i'm gonna factor that in with y'all negotiate so y'all gonna give me that back on time if I have to take out another one at some point in time. Hey, listen. The game is a game, Monk. This is the

football. And this is why I wouldn't want to be owner. I wouldn't want to be a GM. I wouldn't want to be in a position of Katie Blackburn, Mike Brown, Troy Blackburn, in a situation like this with a team this great, with players this great, and it's time to pay.

I just wouldn't want to be. You have to be ahead of the curve. Do you believe T. Higgins, let me ask you a question, do you believe Chase in the next three to five years will not be a top three receiver? If you believe he'll be a top three receiver if you don't if you believe he'll be a top three receiver you signed him last year because you're paying him based on what you believe he's going to do moving forward not what he's done in the past because i've already paid you for that so if i give you 35 36 million dollars that's because i believe you're going to be a top three receiver

and in two years this money will be obsolete now i got. And in two years, this money will be obsolete. Now, I got you for another two years, Ocho, at $36 million. When they go and race, it's going to probably be $42, $43 million. See? That's what you have to do. You have to, like, a lot of times, Ocho, you have to buy something like, man, look here. What people, if you were doing investments, people buy gold. People buy commodities based on belief they're going to go higher.

So at this price, although it seems steep, I buy for a little. When it moves up, now I got it. Right. And that's how you have to look at these players. Michael Park, do you, okay, you saw Michael was defensive rookie of the year and he's been in the defensive player

of the year discussion. Discussion, yeah. Why are we waiting until this man get all the way to the end of his contract before we think about doing a good,

a long-term deal? All you did was let the price keep going up. Going up higher? Yesterday's price is not today's price. It's definitely not. It's definitely not. definitely not and i listen i want i want to get i want to work things out but i also understand how the business side of things work yes yeah everybody yelling about the cap the cap going up the cap

being hot have the bangles ever be one to spin all the way up to the cap so let's start there have they you know we be screaming oh the cap is going it's this is that i mean listen this is still a business that has to be run yeah this ain't this ain't madden this is real life you see what howie roseman does you see what he did when you see what he did with davante yeah you see what he did with AJ? Got him early. You see what he did with Hertz? Got him early. And what he did is that he's like, okay, Saquon, we'll give you this. If you get these incentives, not only will you get them for this year, it'll automatically go onto your contract next year. So that 1.5, 1.750, so now Saquon's going to make almost $14 million.

It's those numbers next year. Guess what? 750 million. So now Saquon's going to make almost $14 million. It's those numbers next year. Guess what? That third year of the contract, now there's a chance he goes out and has another year. I'm not saying he's going to go for 2000, but has another good year. Howie might say, you know what? To keep that cap number down, let's go ahead and add a couple more years to it. Nice signing bonus.

Right up front. That's how you have to do it, Ocho. You have to have some forward thinking because if you wait till like, I don't know, I don't know. By the time you realize the guy's good, it's going to be cost prohibitive for you to sign your players. Well, listen, the guys we talk about, there's nothing to realize. You know what they do

because the film don't lie. They did it in college. They got to the NFL and they kept on doing it they ain't missed the beat i'm talking about chase i'm not sure why you didn't pay him last year there was nothing wrong with t understanding what you got you know for the foreseeable future we talk about two top one one top three player and we have another one that arguably could be in the top 10 you know as what i like to call a 1b i don't i don't see t has no two that just me because anywhere else on any other team, T. Higgins would be a number 1.

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Slade via trade with Detroit in 2020, immediately signing the cornerback to a three-year extension. Slade, 34, is coming off one of his best seasons of his career. He allowed a 42% completion rate, allowed 5.4 yards per target, had 15 pass breakups, are all his best marks since joining the Eagles. In 2024, the Eagles allowed a league-low 174 yards passing per game,

the lowest by a franchise since 2000. Who was that, Tennessee? Since at least 2000. I think Tennessee, I think they beat the Ravens that year. Because the Ravens allowed 60-something yards rushing, but I think they gave up 260 yards. Tennessee actually statistically had a better... Huh?

Oh, you're talking about the Eagles franchise. Oh, I thought it was talking about the lowest since 2000 by any franchise. Okay. Because I know Tennessee had fast defense in 2000. Mm-hmm. They only gave up 242 yards a game.

But he always said that if he didn't finish his career in Philly, he would love to go back to Detroit. Detroit was his original team. Obviously, he had some issues with Matt Patricia, who's now the defensive coordinator at Ohio State. Hey, he goes to Philly, has a great, you know, go to two. He went to a bunch of Pro Bowls. They went to two Super Bowls.

They won this past one. So could you see him going back to Detroit? I think so. I think so. Why not? Especially with what happened from an injury standpoint to the Detroit Lions on the back half of the season. I like it. I like it.

And I'm also trying to think about, oh, why not run it back with as well as he played last year with the Eagles? But I can't even talk about Jeffrey Lurie and Harry Robinson when it comes to their decision-making. Keyon Mitchell, obviously, they're now passing the torch and the key is to him. No. He's on one side. They're passing the key to Cooper DeJohn. Ooh. See?

Rookie. Ooh. He's ready to be a starter. Listen, honestly, he played well, right? He played very well. But he played well based on everything else going on around him. If he's actually ready after his rookie season, despite them winning the Super Bowl,

to be in that spot like that, where you got to see the number one receiver. At times, you have to see maybe the number two receiver. Is he ready for that? You can't keep everybody, Ocho. I mean, what you going to do with Braun? You going to pay him? He going to want a King's ransom.

Yeah. Oh, he would nice. Okay, swear? What about you got 2D linemen that could potentially leave? You got Jalen Carter coming up now. Hey, he going to want a King's ransom. And well-deserving of everything. You got Mitchell going to be coming down the pipeline, Ojo.

He going to want a King's ransom. No. I understand, you know, the chat saying they going to keep DeJount at a nickel. Yeah, they going to put him at corner. And guess what? They going to start him at corner. And then when they go three, he going to bump inside a nickel. Yeah. They're going to put him at corner. And then, and guess what? They're going to start him at corner. And then when they go three, he's going to bump inside the nickel. But then who,

who, who going to be the other, who's going to be the other corner? Hey, listen, playing on the outside and playing a nickel. Well, that's a different ball game,

baby. That's a, that's a different ball game. They drafted that man to play corner. They found out that he was really good at the nickel. And so guess what? They put him inside. They'll put him inside of situation and they'll bring somebody else.

It'd be safe. You remember how, what's the guy's name, Ocho? He ended up going to Tennessee. He ended up going to Tennessee from the Kansas City. Oh, LeDarrius. Yep. LeDarrius Sneed. Sneed.

What did they do? They drafted a corner. Yeah yeah sneed was really good they very they put him they put him inside yeah what did they do after the season they ended up signing trading him yeah and now you got watson and you got mcduffie okay see y'all just look at see fans y'all gotta stop looking that's not how teams look at it. They draft a guy at corner. Okay, damn. And they got Slade getting a little older. 34 years of age.

That's a little old for a corner. But he played extremely well. Now, maybe it's a situation that, you know, they come back. I would go test the market. Now, if I couldn't find something suitable, if I got to play for $3 million, I'll play for $3 million in Philly. I ain't going to play for $3 million

because I know we're going to win. But at least let me go kick the tires somewhere else because somebody else might have some money for me, Ocho. Hey, that's T. That's T, Unc. Do you understand? And I mean no disrespect to my fans in Cincinnati. I love you every last one of you.

Do you understand what T's going to make if he get on the open market? Oh, come on, man. He's deserving of that. He worked too hard. You hear me? Think about the sacrifices you just told me about that you went through to even touch the field. What you think?

He got a story, too. All of us got a story. Yeah, for sure. We want that sense of security allow him to see because you didn't believe in him here before you know what i want you to prove it to him we're gonna tag you we're gonna tag you because we don't value giving you a long term contract we don't because if you did value me and you thought of what you think of how i think about myself as a player and as a receiver there there would have been no issues paying me. Now you tag me again two years in a row.

What does that tell me? Ocho, that's, but see, Ocho, that's the Players Association. You agreed to that. Well, listen, you have to understand, when it comes to the franchise tag, you got 2,100-something players. Let's stick with me real quick now.

Chat, y'all stay with me real quick. You got 2,100, maybe 2,200 players. When it comes to the franchise tag, we talk about it only happens maybe to six to eight players. Six to eight. No more than eight. No more than eight. Now, actually going in to fight for something for such a small percentage of players that is where it's used, you know, year in and year out. Do you really want to fight for something like that?

Because sometimes it's an advantage for the players and for the team as well, sometimes buying you a little bit more time so we can get a deal done. Now, in this case, when it comes to T, I don't like the way they're taking advantage of him because if you wanted to pay him, he would have done it the first time.

Listen, don't do it to me again. Don't do it to me twice. But see, that's where you have to be unselfish because a lot of times, for the very reason, I remember when they first started talking about lifetime benefits, there were a lot of prominent guys, and I'm not going to call their name, give me a million dollars, and I'll buy my own health insurance. How'd that work out for them?

The same thing you just said. There are so few guys that say, man, I'm never going to get the franchise tag until they get the franchise tag and now look at you at some point Kurt Flood he never benefited from free agency

right he basically lost his career so everybody else got free agency. Spencer Haywood. Right. Sometimes you have to sacrifice. There are a lot of people that sacrifice for the greater good, even though they weren't there to reap the benefits. Right.

Dr. King, Malcolm X, so many other freedom fighters. A lot of people sacrifice. They didn't get the benefit of the sacrifice. Right. That's what sacrifice means. I like that. I like the way you put that. I like the way you put that.

So now, okay, I tell you what, y'all want two franchise tags? We want lifetime health benefits that's a good one you get one franchise tag but you can't franchise me again I already gave you a bigger concession now you get a bigger piece of the pie owners

I got to close something back right lifetime health benefits you get a bigger piece of the pie owners i got to close something back right right they got to be beneficial lifetime health benefits or we got to do away with the franchise tag one or the other yes and even if we don't get lifetime i need at least 10 15 years what is oh joe if the average nfl career is three there's three years yeah so the average NFL career is three years. Yeah. So the average NFL player coming in at 22, 23. Right. So that means a vested player with three years, he's done at 25, 26.

Ocho, he gets five years of health benefits at 31. He's done. Yeah. He only, hopefully, the average life expectancy if someone is like 75 years so he got another 40 plus years oh but the guys don't think like that oh joe that money coming in so good and you like hey i will be able but when you don't have money coming in and you have it going out and you get if you get a serious injury you get a a form of cancer you get a treatment it'll wipe your savings out just like that wake you up real quick too huh just like that and with the the price the surgeries and the price of the medicine

some medicine costing you 10 15 20000, $15,000, $20,000 a month? Especially now. Especially now. Hey, oh my God, just a thought of that, huh? Yes! How much you say medicine costs? How much a month? Some of it's like $10,000, $15,000, $20,000 a month. Some of them cancer drugs.

My goodness. I mean, look at insulin. Look at insulin. What's insulin cost you? And people need two, three injections a day. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there.

And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you.

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