Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Shannon responds to Russ, Burrow challenges Chiefs, NFL players going broke

Episode Date: April 15, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Pittsburgh Steelers QB Russell Wilson clarifying his comments on "opening doors" for black QBs, Bengals QB Joe Burrow, saying Cincinnati is "built to beat" Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs & discuss their early money issues when entering the NFL and give tips on how to build wealth. 0:00 Introduction07:15 Russell Wilson responds to Unc’s criticism18:50 Joe Burrow says Bengals are “Built to beat the Chiefs31:40 Ocho talks about how players run out of money in the offseason “It’s impossible to maintain the same lifestyle as when the checks are coming in” #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I am your favorite, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85, rock runner extraordinaire, Bengal Ring of Fame honoree, Liberty City's own, pro bowler, all pro, all the way from Oregon State down to Cincinnati. In your living room on Nightcap as co-host, he's Mr. Real Rosado, Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I ain't even, I'm just, tonight I'm just Ocho because I look, I go down there, right? You know, we got the show.

You got something to drink, right? Yeah. So, you know, I like to talk. So when I'm talking, sometimes my mouth and my throat get a little dry. And right now, I'm parched. And so I go downstairs to the refrigerator, right? Yep. Yep.

That's what you do. Ain't no water. Ain't no water. So boom. First thing, who you think drink all the water? Where drink all the water? I'm thirsty. Mm-hmm.

And she going out of town, so that means she left town and didn't even put waters back in the refrigerator knowing I got to do nightcap. So now I go down there, ain't no water in the refrigerator. So what I'm supposed to do?

I'm talking right now and I'm parched. You know what, Ocho? I'm glad Real gone. Yeah. Because had that been my old lady, if I go down to the refrigerator, and there's no water there,

I'd have woke her ass up and said, put some water in this refrigerator. I'd have woke her ass up and said, put some water in this refrigerator. Hold on. Listen, she lucky she ain't here because she would have had to go to Publix. She would have had to go to Publix

and get some water. Like, you don't do that. That's like when you got a carton, when you got kids, right? And they drink the soda or they drink the carton of juice or whatever it is with a little swallow. Yeah, and put it back

in there. And put it back in there. And put it back in there. Come on. Come on. What we doing? What we doing? What we doing? I apologize. I just had to get that off my chest because I'm kind of upset. So basically, now, we beefing. There ain't no water. You know how this thing work. When Ocho upset at you,

I'm upset at you. Yeah, man. Now, you know better. Now, you know he's going to do nightcap tonight and tomorrow. You know he needed water in there because he talks. And so when he talks, he's parked.

Thank you. And so that's like being in the desert. You know the man was going on a trip and you didn't even pack his favorite toothbrush. You didn't pack his toothbrush. You didn't even pack his toothbrush. You ain't leave him no deodorant or no mouthwash. No canteen, nothing. Nothing, nothing.

So come on, Real. Real, come on now. I'm with you now. I'm with you when you're right. But you're wrong in this instance, Real. Yeah, shit, I'm sick of it. Your favorite uncle said that to you. Yeah, I'm sick of this shit.

You got to do right by Ocho. Sick of this shit. Shit. Got no damn water in my throat dry but you gonna be alright we gonna get through it I'm gonna swallow my spit I ain't surprised by that please make sure you hit that make sure you hit that like button

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And thank you. Ocho, before we get started today, I have some things that we need to address, you and I need to address. Okay. And Russell Wilson is doing his best job. Evidently, he heard what you and I need to address okay and uh Russell Wilson right is doing his best job to uh evidently he heard what you and I said obviously our voices care uh resonates a lot because we have a large platform um our subscribers our followers they like what we have to say and so evidently what we said when we talked about what he had said I I think it was, was it GQ or Essence? It was an Essence magazine.

I think it was Essence, yes sir. So, Russell Wilson said, let's start building each other up. The evolution of the black quarterback in the NFL has been one of the coolest experiences in my life to be a part of. Full context is always important. Grateful for those before me,

those with me, and those after me. God is good. So what he did is that before what russell will he this is the author now what he did he highlighted this is not what he said he highlighted what the author said this is what this is what uh the author said before wilson burst onto the scene signal callers of color, Doug Williams, Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, and Michael Vick all dominated the field at one point. A fact that Wilson recognized and respects. I think about those guys before me. He says.

That's not what he said. He's just regurgitating what the officer said. Okay, here. Okay. But, but, but, I tell you what you do now. When Real come home, you say, Real, I love you, but I tell you what you do now. We're real. Come home. You say, well, I love you. But and see what happens now. This is what he said. He says, but when I came into the league, there were only a few of us.

It was Cam Newton, Robert Griffin, the third Colin Kaepernick, myself and a couple of others. By the end of the second year in the NFL, Wilson had held up the Lombardi, becoming just a second black quarterback to do so. While Wynn became an unforgettable personal accomplishment, that also marked a shift in the position. For me to be able to go back to back Super Bowls, win one of them, I think it opened a lot of doors, he said. Now you see guys like Patrick Mahomes.

He didn't highlight that part now. But see, you know this, Ocho. He didn't highlight for me to be able to go back to back and win one of them. I think it opened a lot of doors. That's not what he highlighted. Right. I knew you to highlight

what you said. Not what, I can't highlight what Ocho said. Oh, just wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah. That's what Ocho said. Shannon, what did you say? You can't highlight what I said. What did you say you can't highlight what I said what did you say oh man you know what hey you ain't gonna talk about all the receivers that came before Ocho like when I came into the league wasn't nobody really running no routes but like me maybe Jimmy

Smith so you're gonna forget about Sterling Sharp you forget all Flipper Anderson Aaron Cox you're gonna forget about all the other guys that were route runners and just highlight your era. So in other words, and this is what irks me a lot about this generation. If it didn't happen, if they didn't see it, it didn't happen. If it's not on the internet where you can just go, it didn't happen. And so the emergence of quarterbacks like Mahomes, Jalen Hurst, Lamar Jackson, and cj stroud

uh to name a few is indicative of a new era of football and a glimpse of what sports is trending so he heard what he heard what we said right right right um i'm glad um if he didn't hear it and that's the thing if he didn't hear it it, somebody that's close to him did hear it. Look, I'm happy that more people that our color getting an opportunity to play that position because before they were getting transferred, they would play going and moving to running back, or wide receiver, or they were playing DB.

They were on safeties. They weren't getting opportunities. No matter how accomplished, Warren Moon had to go to the great, had to go to the Canada. Canada, CFL, CFL. He had to go to the Canadian League. After he won the Rose Bowl,

after Warren was a prototypical dropback quarterback, he had to go win five great cups and come back. So that's all we're saying, Russ. We're not saying, but we don't want you to minimize the importance of the guys that came before you. Right. Yeah, you know, obviously, context always matters. Anytime anything is being said, anytime anything is being written, context always matters. I've talked to Russ multiple times, really not on this situation here, but in general, just about obviously me being on the other side of the fence, being a part of media, trying to balance, being able to be critical, me trying to balance, being able to analyze players without it being disrespectful and talking and talking to russ in person not over the phone

in person what he said was is we as those that have already played the game or to play the game we have to it's in for us to do do justice to stop tearing our Black King down in general and kind of somewhat in the narratives at times on some of the things that we say. He also said the fact that he respects those that have played the game that came before him, the players that have the voices like we do. We're very impactful when we talk about the game because we played it. Not only did we play it, we played it at a very high level and our voices matter because they're very powerful. We got a lot of reach. You got a lot of reach.

And I think more so on that end, I think he's kind of sick of the narratives in general. You never hear Russell Wilson fire back. You know that, right? You notice that? This is one of the few times he's actually came out and spoke about what, obviously, what me and you had to talk about. And I think he's just sick of the narratives. And I think this is, we're going to see a different Russell Wilson now. This is what I think from this point on,

because Russell never says anything when anyone says anything about him. So the fact that he came out and said something, I think we're going to see a more boisterous, a more opinionated Russell Wilson. So when people say anything about him, I think he's going to fire back and kind of set the record straight. Well, I think for me oh look I do the best job I possibly can because I really never try I don't I don't think I have only once I think one time I I have attacked somebody in all my

years of doing this this is going on probably almost two decades um that i've attacked someone personally and uh if i ever see him i'll apologize there's no sense in in going getting into that now even though he continuously attacks me but that's neither here nor there uh for me ocho and i think the thing that people that have heard me, they know I'm not parsimonious when it comes to my criticism. That's a good word right there, baby. I like that one. Parsimonious. I gotta write that down. So, in other words,

people have heard me criticize Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, just as much as I've criticized Dak Prescott, Patrick Mahomes, just as much as I've criticized the Dak Prescott, Patrick Mahomes. I believe just because you're accomplished. I'm going to say two parts. Just because you are accomplished, you won multiple MVPs, multiple Super Bowls.

Yes, sir. You're not beyond reproach. Yes. Just because you're black and I'm black, that doesn't mean you're beyond reproach. Now, I'm not going to attack you as a man, but I think I think I can attack your play on the field. And this, I thought Russ was being dismissive of the guys that came before him. OK, OK. That's what that came before him. Okay. Okay.

That's what, that's what I would say. I was like, but Russ, you do realize that Marlon Briscoe was a scrambling quarterback before Doug Williams. You probably don't even know who he is. The first black quarterback to start opening day for the Broncos.

There was James. There was Shaq Harris. That also from Grambling State that played under Coach Rob before Doug. Randall, there were so many guys. Dante Culpepper was a mobile quarterback. But it seems like he was

very fine to fit his era. Cam, RG3, Cap, because if I'm not mistaken, Cap came out the same year he did. Might have came out the same year he. Because if I'm not mistaken, Cap came out the same year he did. Might have came out the same year he did. Right. If I'm not mistaken.

So that's where I am. I don't know. I don't know Russ personally. I've met him a few times. He was great to me. I was great to him. A great dude. I don't know Russ off the field.

I'm not in his life. Good dude. Real good dude. But this notion that every time that somebody's like, if you, if we were attacking him personally, we said, we don't like what he's doing. We don't like that. He putting everything on social media. We don't think this or he's that he's this. Now we're attacking him personally. Yes. I don't think you have ever done that. I know I haven't.

I spoke to something that was brought to my attention. Right. Everybody called me a liar. After it was reported as facts that he did have an office, he did have a special interest, he did have extra support. Well, why'd you have to bring it up? Because, hold up, I thought context matters. Yes, sir. So when does context matter, Lojo?

You're right. I could have went deeper. But then I felt personally, now I'm piling on. Now I'm adding something. Whatever transpired, leave it there. Yes, sir. But the one thing fans know about me, when I speak to something in Denver or I speak to something in Baltimore, Yes, sir. But the one thing fans know about me,

when I speak to something in Denver or I speak to something in Baltimore, you best believe, take it to the bank. Yeah. If I tell you grass will turn to cheese, Ocho, tell them what you're going to do. You're going to quit every job you got, take every dime out the bank you got,

and start hustling crackers. Yes, sir. Because my word is better than bitcoin when i talk to you about those two franchises right so i wish nightcap wish russ the best yeah hopefully he gets back to being the russell wilson that we knew we loved when he was in seattle yeah i hope that's what he can return to. I pray that's what he returns to. Because I still think he has good football in him. I think his heart really didn't want to leave Seattle.

But sometimes you have to go. And the thing, it didn't work out the way he envisioned. I don't think anybody envisioned that it would be only a two-year stint in Denver. But I think Russ has good football left in him. And I wish him the best in Pittsburgh. Except

when they play the Ravens and if they play the Broncos. Well, listen, he's going to be fine. Again, context matters. Where you're going, you're going to a great organization, a winning organization, a great head coach, one that's got your back no matter what. Come hell or high water. Mike Tomlin is going to have his back. Another thing that matters, a quarterback going to a new situation, supporting cast. Yes. What am I surrounded with? I'm surrounded by good running back play, and you're surrounded by good catchers of the ball, even if they are young.

Who knows what they're going to do in the draft? Who knows? They're going to bring pieces in there to make your job easy. Winning organization, all Russell Wilson has to do is go in there and be Russ. Yes. That's it. And he gonna be fine. Except when he play the goddamn Bengals. That's it. Except when you play the Bengals. Yeah.

It's not that we're rooting against. Well, we are. We're rooting against you, Russ. We don't want you to play Bengals. I ain't finna say that lie. Well, I hope Russ have a good game. As long as the Steelers lose. No, I don't. No. No, I don't. No. Mm-mm. No, I don't.

Because if he have a good game, that greatly goes to helping the Steelers win that game. And I don't want that. I want the Ravens to beat the Brakes off them twice. And if they play the Broncos, I want the Broncos to win. Now, if it was a former teammate, oh, I want you to have a good game.

Oh, yeah. Just not win the game. Right. I want him to have a good game, Just not win the game. Right. I want them to have a good game, but I don't want them to beat the Bengals. And you know, Russ might be watching. Russ might be watching. Russ, you know how I feel about you.

Boy, I love you. I love you to death. I'm telling you, you're going to have a good year. I'm telling you. But when you play the Bengals, you can have a great game. As long as the result of the game is the Bengals winning. That's all that matters. That's all that matters.

That's all that matters. So, Russ, hopefully I cleared up what my thinking was, why I said what I said. I understand you have more than a right to refute anything that was said by me or Ocho on this podcast. That's well within your right. But we wish you the best moving forward. Yes, sir. And, hey, it didn't work out in Denver, but hopefully it works out three times better than what it did in Denver

and Pittsburgh because Steelers was my favorite team when I was growing up. Unfortunately, that had to change once I got drafted. They were no longer my favorite team. And playing in that division with the Ravens, we hated the Steelers, and we still do. Some things never change. Never change. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by

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and it's called a News Cap. News Cap. Joe Burrow breaks down past success against the Chiefs and says, I think we're built to beat them joe burrow is three and one all time against kansas city appearing on new hot new heights podcast live burrow said i think we match up pretty well with them i think we're beat to build i think we're built to beat them i always appreciate legendary battles we have guys go out there always making plays patrick is always out there making plays both teams have big time offensive lines and a great matchup uh one of the biggest question marks this

offseason what's gonna happen with t higgins yeah they have franchised him he wants that long long-term deal uh this is what t higgins says he says he anticipates playing for the bingos in 2024 he told reporters at his youth football camp Sunday. Higgins, who's entering in his fifth year in the league, has requested a trade earlier this offseason after Cincinnati placed the franchise tag on him.

I don't appreciate it. I've grown a love for Cincinnati, and I didn't think I would. I'm looking forward to it. Higgins is fourth in his draft class with 3,684 receiving yards, three players ahead of him, Justin Jefferson, C.D. Lamb, and Brandon Ayoub

also have yet to receive contract extensions. Okay, let's talk about what Joe Cool said. Yeah, the facts. The facts, yeah. He's 3-1 against Kansas City. He says he believes they're built to beat them. They are. They are. I mean, what he said is factual. I think when it comes to

the quarterback play, obviously when it comes to the quarterback play, the accolades, people will always put Mahomes ahead of him because of the Super Bowls and the playoff wins. But we are 3-1 against them. From a team perspective, offensively, we are built to beat them. Why?

Because we have a special quarterback in ourselves over in cincinnati one that can match up toe-to-toe with patrick mahomes one that takes care of the ball also in crunch time when it matters most it's two minutes on the clock and you know you need a score yes we also have a quarterback on our end that can go get it done and make the right throws at the right time and not turn the ball over. Defensively,

our defensive coordinator also, which is why the maturation of why we play so well against the Chiefs. Also, we've always had the supporting cast. We've always had the personnel that matches up well against them. Sometimes it's like that. There's always a team that has your number, right?

No matter what you do. You don't see them that often until you get to the playoffs. But for some reason, when it comes to that chess match, you always have the pieces that fit very well. And it's always a good game when you face that team. Now, again, the Chiefs have always,

even though we're three and one, the Chiefs have the Super Bowls. They have the accolades. They got the Lombardis. But we just haven't got over that hump. If we get a healthy Joe Burrow this year, it's going to get scary. Come playoff time. We already know what's going to happen in the regular season. What we do need to fix in Cincinnati is we need to fix the slow start. We have a problem having a slow start and then picking up as the season goes. If we can get a jump on the competition and come out the gate,

if we can come out the gate hot, and then after goddamn Thanksgiving, and just go on cruise control, and just play good football, I think we're going to be good. I just don't like the fact that we start so slow. We'll start 0-2. We'll start 0-3 and got to crawl and fight our way

back into contention. If we get a healthy Joe Burrow, you already know what's going to happen. That AFC North is a wrap. Oh, Joe, think about it. You keep saying if, if, if, if. If he's healthy. Listen, this is the game.

Injuries happen. It's part of the game. But when you lose a quarterback of that magnitude, who I consider to be the second best, first best, it depends on who you ask. He ain't no first best. And you can ask anybody. You can ask Cincinnati.

He ain't the first. All right, all right, all right. I know you're going to get a little passionate about it. Come on, Ocho. I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. That's my team, though. You see what jersey I got on, right? Yeah, I understand that. But even you know. Yeah, okay. Come on, Ocho. I know, I know, I know, I know. That's my team, though. You see what jersey I got on, right? Yeah, I understand that. But even you know.

Yeah, okay. All right, second best. Okay. You want to argue the fact? No? Okay, cool. Second best. But even still, that's good.

When there are 31 other quarterbacks in the league. But let me ask you this, Ocho. If Joe is healthy, it's up and stuck. Let me ask you a question.. If Joe is healthy, it's up and stuck. Let me ask you a question. You're built to beat Kansas City. And the Bills.

What happens when you don't play Kansas City in the first eight weeks of the season? And you go down 3-5 like you normally do. Then what? We fight and claw back. You're making it a lot more difficult on yourself. Exactly. Exactly. So instead of having all these games on the road, maybe you get somebody,

maybe Buffalo. Now you've gone to Buffalo and beaten them. You've even gone to Kansas city, but you make, you, you make your job a little easier. Right. As opposed to like getting these games at home,

you don't have to travel. You get to sleep in your own bed, things of that nature. But the injuries is the biggest concern because he's been injured more times. He's not finished receiving more times than he has finished. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I mean, that's you know what? It's unfortunate. It's unfortunate.

But if anything, to me, I like to say this would be the year he stays in injury free. I just think it is. And if he's going to get hurt, let's get hurt early in your career as opposed to on the back end or opposed to in the middle. Now, hey, if I don't got me by five or six, if we got me by three or four Super Bowl, I start getting hurt. I can break down because I can walk away. Right. You don't want to be in a situation like Andrew Luck see it's a lot easier to walk away from the game when you Tom Brady or Peyton Manning right because here I am in year 21 22 Peyton in year 18 oh man look at I got all the MVPs I've gotten Super Bowls I've gotten all the accolades but look at a guy like Andrew Luck

he has to walk away after what? Five, six years? Yeah, he got beat up bad. He got beat up bad. But in Joe Burrow's case, his injuries had nothing to do with the punishment he was taking behind center. You know, the calf, the wrist.

I'm not sure. The one time he got sacked in the pocket, he got tweaked a certain way. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the thumb, did he hit his thumb on somebody's head? Because didn't he break a... I'm not sure. It was his wrist that was bothering him. It was his wrist.

It was his wrist. Because he threw it and then he grabbed it. I'm not sure how it happened. Right. But one week, they saw him wearing a brace, you know, and then played in the game. He threw and I don't know what happened. But again, I think

he's healthy now. He's going to be all right. I'm sure they might be in the offseason program now. So, I mean, they're going to be fine. I would hope they get something done with T. Higgins because he's deserving. He's deserving.

So what are you going to do with Jefferson? With Chase? I know. Have you ever been on a team? Have you ever been on a team? Have you ever seen a team pay two number ones? Nah.

Especially in today's market. Today's market is what it is. Because Jefferson is going to, first of all, I keep saying Jefferson, Chase, because there's three of them. It's CeeDee Lamb. And Justin. Everybody just wants the first one

to see the domino fall. Oh, yeah. That's what everybody's waiting for. Because I believe all the teams really want to do something. But I want you to set the market. Right. So I can overlap. So I can overlap. We all in the subdivision, All the teams really want to do something, but I want you to set the market. Right.

And so I can overlap. So I can overlap. We all in the subdivision, we all got 10,000, 15,000 square foot home. Right. We got pool. We got theaters.

We got a bowling alley. We got an eight car garage with 15 bedrooms and 10 baths. We all got the same houses. I just wait for somebody to put their house on the market so I can see what the bid is. That's what these somebody to put their house on the market so I can see what the bid is. That's what these guys are doing, Ocho. Yeah. Nobody want to be first because you already know

you're going to be the highest paid receiver for exactly one day. One day. But listen, man. T.T., maybe in the draft. Maybe in the draft. Obviously, T. Higgins said all the right things today.

Yes. He said all the right things at his camp. You know, obviously he requested a trade. We all know that he is deserving of what it is he wants. His play has been magnificent. One of the few teams where I think we were fortunate enough to have two number one receivers. This is a very, very, very, very deep draft class at the receiver position. Yeah. I think maybe, I'm not sure what may happen, he might get traded. Maybe during the draft. You never know. Maybe during the draft.

But again, I love T. I would love to see him with my Bengals. But also from the business side of things, what he's done for the Bengals organization and that team and that city, what he done for me just watching him you know from afar when even when he's at clemson to see him the maturation the growth that he's possessed to this point he is deserving of that money that big money that kind of money that secures your future where your mama straight you know when you have kids your kids kids straight that's all that's all i'm saying i would love to see him stay but i also want him to get what he deserves even if it's not in cincinnati yeah it is probably

it's probably gonna have to be because i mean for him to stay because i don't i don't see a situation with chase because it's different quarterbacks quarterbacks give a little discount they always gonna take credit quarterback because they're the first guy to go come say you know what we're gonna take your salary and we're gonna turn guy to go come say, you know what? We're going to take your salary and we're going to turn it into a signing bonus. We're going to put it in portable years down the street, down the road. So they're always willing. Normally,

nine times out of 10, they'll kick the can down the road for the quarterback. Right. Everybody, all the other positions. So if I'm a wide receiver, especially that first first of all, I ain't giving nobody no discount. No, not the first contract. No, no, no, no. Absolutely not. No, no, no. Not the first.

Absolutely not. No, sir. Absolutely not. I wouldn't give them none anyway. Because here's the thing. Like Keenan Allen said, I had my best year. Y'all want me to take a pay cut. Yeah. So what happens if I don't have my best year? Oh, so you already know they're going to come see me.

Yeah, you know that. You know that. You're going to get that knock on the door. You know how that knock go. But I thought, hold on. I thought I signed the contract. Because that's what they tell you when you want to renegotiate. Yeah, you signed the contract, didn't you?

Okay. You signed it too. Your name is up on the mind. Right. So now, all of a sudden, now, it's not, well, you know, we got to do what's in the best interest of the team. Of the team. Well, you know what?

I need all my money because I need to do what's in the best interest of the Chase family. That's my mom, my grandma, granddaddy, all the family. That's my team. I need to do what's in the best interest of them. Right. So hopefully guys do a better job of understanding that. Because you know what?'s in the best interest of them. Right. So, hopefully guys do a better job of understanding that.

Because you know what? Baseball players don't really give no deals. You notice that? No. And they get guaranteed money. Shohei Otani, 700 million. Yeah.

He gonna get all 700 million. Every dollar. And they got, and they got Mookie Best on the payroll at 365 million. They got Freddie Prima. Oh, Freddie. He from California, but he was a brave, and they got and they got Mookie Best on the payroll at $365 million they got Freddie Prima old Freddie

from California but he was a brave he's on the payroll for $1.60 $1.70 yeah and they got so many they got the

the other Japanese pitcher that they just came over just paid him a boatload of money yeah hey you know what I always thought about what

where all that goddamn money come from man when it come to baseball, man? The same place they got it in football? So if baseball... Hold on, hold on, hold on, man. Half the time, them stadiums don't even be filled up.

So I'm trying to understand where that kind of money coming from when it come to baseball. They got it in football. But you see what baseball players did when they shut it down? There was no playoffs. There was no World Series.

They were willing to set out. And the Players Association said, look, we're gearing up for this day. So for the next several years, we need you to sell. No big purchases. No big purchases. Right.

And now, we ain't playing, punks. little big purchases right and now we ain't playing punks you know what it would take to get the NFL players to come together like that it'd be very difficult because

I mean there are a lot of players you know that that when the offseason come they've already run through really all late money all of it they really run through all their money and a lot of people in the chat you really really don't understand this is like they can't wait till it gets in the season

for those checks to start rolling in again yeah and the fact that it doesn't matter that you're getting paid twice or three or four or five times more as opposed to when we was playing if you're making more, you're spending more. You're spending more. Yeah, for sure. It don't change. And sometimes it's goddamn almost like living check to check, even if you're making millions. That shit happens. That's

why the percentage of us, when we're done playing, within two years, huh? Two years. Once them checks stop rolling in, you ain't got no money left. I mean, how many Cuban links you need, Ocho? Okay, you get you one. You get you a little bracelet and match to your chain.

Yeah. You straight, right? Yeah. Do you need five Cubans? Yeah. Hey, listen. Do you need a house in Miami, one in Houston? Mm-hmm.

Plus, you know, you got to have, hey, you know, you got to have you know, what, you don't talk about, right? I already know where you're at. I already know where you're at. I'm with you when you're right. I'm with you when you're right. They got a place, and they got a G-Wagon, they got a Cullinan, they got a, you know what I'm saying? You can only drive one.

You can only drive one. Matter of fact, this is a good scenario and a good case in point think about this Chat stay with me real quick on this one right here. Think about everybody from Shannon Sharpe's era Now think about all the players from my era Show me any of the players from my era or Shannon Sharpe's era that are still living the same exact lifestyle as if they're playing the game of football Think about it. yeah driving all the

nice shit all the bigger it's impossible to maintain that lifestyle when checks of that magnitude stop rolling in there's nothing else in this world where you can you can make 650,000 a week nothing it's impossible you can make 250,000 every make $250,000 every Monday. $350,000 every... It's nothing. It's impossible. These guys making $3 million a game. Yeah. And the funny thing about it is

you make $3 million a game and you think it's always going to be like this. So you're spinning unconsciously. Having fun. Fashion. Cars. Going here. Trips. So you're spinning Unconsciously Having fun Fashion Cars Going here Trips

You know you got a bunch You got a bunch of chicks So you know you're tricking off You're tricking off as well And if you bring your homeboys with you You know they ain't paying for nothing They got entourages The entourages

That's a lot of mouths to feed Ain't nobody paying for nothing Well when you look up You're in year six When you look up You're in year eight Oh God you look up, you're in year eight. Oh, God forbid you have an injury. Oh, shit.

Boy, listen. Oh, Joe. That shit go fast, boy. Whatever you make, whatever I make. Yeah. I go ahead and take half of it and put it in the bank. Might as well. That Uncle Sam.

Yeah. Might as well. I pay my taxes quarterly. I got tired of writing $3, $4 million checks at the end in the bank. That Uncle Sam. Yeah. I pay my taxes quarterly. I got tired of writing three, four million dollar checks at the end of the year. I said, no, you take this quarterly. It would hurt my pride to see that. I'm like, I got to pay that much? I'm like, what the?

So what I do is that, hey, whatever I make, I get $100,000, I get $200,000, I get half a million, $250,000 gold or $100,000 gold or $50,000 gold. I set that aside. Now, this is what I got towards my expenses. Because Uncle Sam got to get, he got expenses. I got to pay Uncle Sam. He got a big old house. Yeah, he got a big old house in D.C., the big one. And then he got another building.

I think they call it the Capitol. And then they got the Pentagon. And we got all them stealth bombers, and you know, them F-16 Mahornets. I got to pay my part in all that. I understand that. Also, Ocho,

you got an agent. Oh, he taking that 3%. He gonna get 2-4%? Oh yeah. Oh yeah, most definitely. You know what's funny if we had somebody um i think the casual fan you have to be a player to understand the casual fan see the numbers at the end of the day and think oh my god he signed for 250 or 300 or whatever it may be but when you break down the numbers and actually you get that top

and half with Uncle Sam take, then you factor in your expenses. Yes. Then you think about what goes to your agent. Then you think about what you got left over. It shrinks significantly. It does. Regardless of what those numbers say going across that tick on ESPN, it's a different ball game.

It's all smoke and mirrors. That's about the real like what you can touch. Yeah. Shit. But see, Ocho, the best thing that I did, I switched agents. The agent that I have, he represented John. I remember asking John, I said, John, who's your agent? He told me his name, Marvin

Demoff. I said, you think he'd be interested in representing me? He said, I don't know, but here's his number. Gave him his number. I said, you think you'd be interested in representing me? He said, I don't know, but here's his number. Gave me his number. I called him. Had a meeting with him. He says, I'll meet you at the Pro Bowl. Right. He asked me, what did I want in my future?

I told him, I said, I want to live the same lifestyle that I have right now. Yeah. He said, you have any kids? I said, I got three. How old? I told him how old they were. He said, do you support anybody outside of said, I got three. How old? I told him how old they were. He said, do you support anybody outside of your kid? I'm like, my mom, I helped my mom out. My mom was still working at the time. I said, my grandmother, my sister at the time, my brother had

just had just retired. I say, I take all that responsibility. Right. He says, go home. Get me all your financials of how much you actually have. Get me everything that you spend. And then I'll get back to you in 30 to 45 days. Brought him everything I had. Right. Like, well, I mean. You don't blow a lot of your money. I don't see boats. I don't see at that time. Oh, Joe, I had, you know, had nice lot of your money. I don't see boats. I don't see. At that time, Ocho, I had, you know, had nice cars, but I always, I never, I didn't have a car note.

So I had paid them off in cash. Right. No trips. He says, this is what we're going to do. He says, we're going to do this, this, this, and this. Right. He says, I want you to, he says, anytime you have an appearance, he says, I want you to divide it up and put it in an account for each kid

college. So we're going to do that. Every time you go do something, no matter how, that's not yours, that's theirs. Okay, boom. He says, now, your contract's going to come up, you know, hey, we're going to talk about this, we'll see what the market is. He said, this is what we're going to do.

He said, the first, you know, is half. Yeah. But I want you to take whatever you get, whatever we get. I want you to take a third and say, I'm not going to touch it for 20 years. OK, that was three years. We go to Baltimore. I'm a free agent. I'm a free agent. I'm a free agent, Ojo.

You know what's coming. Seven-time Pro Bowler, four-time first team, seven consecutive Pro Bowler. I'm on the market. Yeah. Whatever we get, Shannon, I want you to take a third and put it away for 20 years.

You can't touch it for 20 years now hold on Ocho think about it now 20 years I'm like what the hell what if something unforeseen you know brother mom sister Shannon I want you to put a third for 20 years

man Ocho, you know, so I went earlier this year and I was talking to him and he said I need, you know, give me your financials. I brought him all the financials. Uh-huh. Ocho.

Mm-hmm. You know what he told me he said go buy yourself something 20 years and you ain't touch it ain't touch it I already know what it's looking like you ain't got to tell me you ain't got to tell me

Ocho so that's why that's why when Fox did what they did Ocho So that's why That's why When When Fox did what they did O'Shea was straight Yeah Always

Plus they had To do the payout The payout Hey But O'Steven They came by With his little light bulb He said hey

I heard somebody over here Need a little sifter Yes sir I said yeah You know I had a little You know Little cop broke down Right side of the road

Said come on. Oh, triple S? Yeah. So now, so now I'm thinking, okay, I've got the kids and the grandkids. Right.

I'm trying to get my grandson kid and his kid. Right. Straight. But there wasn't no fancy. It wasn't no going on no this and no extravagant stuff like that. No.

Yeah. My sister, hey, Shannon, get me A. I don't need no, you know. You know what I did, Ocho? I got my sister. I bought her. She told me she wanted a limited that's why you know the southern you know they don't speak correctly right right i heard expedition she said limited edition right

so at that time the expeditions had just came out i said so i told i said i got your expedition she said shannon what is that i said i wanted a limited edition she wanted an explorer but she wanted a limited edition explorer right i heard expedition so i don't went to the i don't went to the dealership and got it actually elway had a car dealership right i went to the dealership and got it. Actually, Elway had a car dealership. I done went to the dealership and got it. The wrong thing. I done got the wrong thing. She's like, Shannon, I don't want that. But just so happened, the dealership in my hometown,

they had one on the lot. So you just traded it back? Nah, she's like, uh-uh. I want it. I want it. I want it. I bet you do want it. I bet you do want it. But that was the thing. And so, and that, oh, Joe, see, I'm just watching. Like, I've always been a provider.

And I understand that I'm the baby of the group. And I'm just, you know, but I'm the, I take over. I took over everything. Right. Because once my brother left, now I got all the responsibility. So that's my thinking. That's why family, I put family above everything. Yes, sir. And I don't play about my family.

So when something bothers my family, it bothers me. It bothers you. Right. Because I'm close like that. And I gave my grandmother on a death bed, I got this. And when I say I got it, you got it. Hey, my brother, hey, go to bed, rest easy.

You ain't never got to worry about money. Let me go to bed, sleep easy. You ain't never got to worry about money. Hey, guys, I want to say this. My sister had the surgery. Both her hips repaired. She's already home. She's walking. She's competitive. She's just trying to beat me because I was walking unassisted the

second time in six days with a repaired hip. So she's trying to beat me. She don I was walking unassisted the second time in six days with a paired hip so she's trying to beat me she done walked up and down the hall and she all around and everything my cousin called me and said uh I asked her how she was doing she said when I got there this morning Libby was already set up she was already done giving herself a I said you see that

helpful she's just trying to beat me she make me sick that's good but that's how I am, Ocho. So I say, and people are like, well, man, you... Bro. To what I make, to what I spend, the ratio is not even close. Yeah. Oh, you know, mine worse than yours.

But mine has always been like that. You know, it's a discipline that you learn very early. Yeah. Matter of fact. We heard the stories, Ocho. We've seen it. I've seen guys that I play with, man, and they down bad, man.

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Listen, I think it might have been my first year. Might have been my first year. And I went second round, obviously 30. I forgot what pick I went, you know? And I think my signing bonus Might have been what Maybe 1-5 1-2 Something like that

Lord Oh listen And you know when you're young now And you were in Florida That ain't no state tax You know Yeah you know You're young now

And so I'm thinking I'm having fun I'm having a good old time I look up Off season come Boy I done ran through all that I'm having fun. I'm having a good old time. I look up. Off-season come. Boy, I done ran through all that.

Hey, listen to me now. I done ran through all that because I wasn't paying attention. And I hadn't learned to say no. And Chad, listen, family, y'all stay with me because I can tell y'all this. And I'm going to tell you where the discipline come from for me because it started early after that first year. The offseason that came, we got into the middle of the season. We got about to maybe April or May. I'll never forget.

I was with Jerome Stanley at the time. But, Unc, I had ran out. What? You hear me? Let me take my glasses off because you know I play a lot. I had ran out. I ain't had nothing left. So I talked to Mr. Stanley.

I said, Mr. Stanley, man, I done messed up. No problem. Boom. Dennis Northcutt. Cleveland Browns wide receiver. In chat, if anybody in the chat know Dennis Northcutt, I guarantee he'll tell you.

Dennis Northcutt had to give me $150,000. Might have been year one. Maybe, yeah, it had to be year one. Because after that, I was on point. Dennis Northcutt had to give me $150,000 so I can get through the season, get through the offseason. Offseason.

And when them checks started rolling in, I shot Buddy that money back. From that point on, what you talking about? Cheap? Yeah. Man, listen, I became so financially conscious of everything I did. Started going to Cleves. I got that

smart car probably in 2004. I treated myself to things that I got nice. That was all if it wasn't the commercial money, if it wasn't TV money, you know all that stuff I had going off the field. I ain't touched no more NFL checks from that point on

when I couldn't make it through a goddamn offseason. So you think about it, you got one five. You got to realize I was making 63. My rent at Millpond, I made 63,000 my rookie year. Mill Pond, the rent was five. Hold on. First of all, you couldn't do like, you know how you got to do a rent?

You got to do a rent. Right. Like a year. Yeah. But I told him, let's see, I got the apartment because I couldn't move in. But this is how I had, God was looking out for me. Yes, sir. My apartment wasn't going to be ready. I made the team in

August. My apartment wasn't going to be ready until the 1st of October. I ain't got nowhere to stay. 1st of October? I ain't got no place to go unless I go to the hotel. Hotel

probably about $ bucks a night. I want you to let everybody know, Melvin Bratton, you may call him Fat Cat. Mel! Fat Cat say, hey, I got him the first two weeks. Right.

Huh, you take him the next 10 days. Mm-hmm. Bobby Humphrey. Yeah. Ricky Natt, you bring it home. Right. So I slept with I slept with Fat Cat

the first two weeks yes sir then I went to Bobby Humphrey they dropped me off me mail took cause I ain't got at that time I ain't had no car just yet

right right then I got my car in the process I'm living with B. Hump then Hump as a matter of no I ain't got no car because I'm driving

Ricky the Teal Ricky the Teal let me drive he had a 4x4 based out right he let me drive he let me drive. He had a 4x4 based out. He let me drive his front runner. For five weeks, I'm living with teammates. So now, October, November, December,

January, February, March, I got to get six months. I ain't living there. So I'm paying $1,000 for a place I ain't living there. So I'm paying a thousand dollars for a place I ain't even living. I got to go back and finish up my degree. I stay in this place called Royal Oaks. And anybody in Savannah, you know Royal Oaks.

A thousand bucks a month. And I got a furnishing. And I got a place to go back to Savannah State. So I pay for my own tuition. Yes, sir. Now, had the president, had some of these presidents that I've been dealing with, they probably would say, well, come on back. But I had to pay.

I paid no problem. It wasn't no problem. Even though I wasn't making money like that. They just, Ocho, you know, NFL. People say, you've been paying professionals this. You make a lot of money. But I wasn't. Right.

Had a cell phone. Now, I don't know if you know this, Ocho, but people, if y'all know, back in the 90s, they had a Roman charge. So my phone was based out of Colorado. I brought the phone back to Georgia. Anytime I powered up,

I'm Roman. Roman. Three, four dollars a minute. And you know, you boy, big time at Ocho. I've been to Nevada. I've been to Nevada. You're with the account. I'll let you boy. Right, right, right. Where you at?

Yeah, I'm on my way. Hey, bro. Hey. Man, what's going on? I called my brother. Bro, what's going on? He like, I said, man, your boy Money Jump funny. Yeah.

He's like, what you mean? Man, Ocho don't shut up. Don't shut up. Don't laugh. I said, boy, you boy, money jump for it. I said, man, you know, I said, man, I'm trying to go back to school, you know, finish up my degree. Yes, sir.

And, you know, he said, well, the first thing I want you to do is turn that damn phone off. Right. Like, all right. Get that roaming off there. Yeah, yeah, get that roaming off. Because the bill was like, the bill was like, oh, the first thing I want you to do is turn that damn phone off. Right. Like, all right. Get that Roman off there. Yeah, yeah. Get that Roman off. Because the bill was like, the bill was like, oh, I got to be like $1,200. God damn.

Yes. In the 90s. In the 90s. Shit. $1,200. Now, mind you, I'm still paying $500, $510, $525 at Mill Pond. Right. I'm still paying.

I got $1,200. I got like $1,000. I think it was like $1,029 at Royal Oaks. And I had to go to Rent-A-Center because I ain't got no furniture. So I got to rent furniture. Furnish the whole apartment like $250, $300 a month. And I got to pay to go back to school.

I ain't got no money coming in, though, Joe. Yeah. Listen, I don't think people understand, man. I don't think people understand. Obviously, the money's a little bit different today. But again, if the discipline isn't there, I learned quick. It took me one year.

One year of, well, I finally made it. I went through it. Holy, I'm back at square one. Yeah. And somebody else that had been playing got to send me enough just to survive

during the offseason? Oh, no, boo-boo. I would never be in, I would never, ever, ever, ever be in this situation again. Ever. And I'll tell you that real quick. Hey, Dennis,

Dennis Northcutt, if you see this, I know you're going to see this. Boy, I appreciate you because it's because of you that got me to get myself together, boy. Never forget it. My, going into my second year, my second year, get ready.

So now, Ocho, I'm a, you know, my first two years, I made $63,000. I think I made $63,000 and then $73,000. Got a $10,000 raise. Right. And so by Ocho, I'm a, you know, my first two years, I made $63,000. I think I made $63,000 and then $73,000. Got a $10,000 raise. Right. And so by this time, I ain't got no contract. Right. Ain't got no contract, Ocho.

So, but I kept my place year-round this time. Right. So I'm playing. Hey, I ain't got no money coming in. You know, I'm spending, you know, I'm going to Black College beat. You know, your boy do that thing. Oh, freak Nick, your boy.

Yeah. My brother called me. He said, look here. This is really the only time in all my years my brother has ever cursed at me. The only time ever he picked up the phone, he called me,

said, what's up? What's up, bro? Hey, what's up? We good? You hype, huh? I could tell by the tone of his voice he wasn't in a joking mood. Oh, yeah. Like, what's up, man?

This is what he said to me verbatim. I'm not going to go broke fucking with you. And hung up. And hung up. That's the only time my brother has ever

uttered a curse word at me. The only time. Say no more. Yeah. Say no more. Hey, bro. Oh, Joe, because I'm thinking, man,

I'm going to be his, like, bro. And, you know, later he explains to me, say, bro, you don't understand. An injury here or something happened there. It's a wrap. You're not going to play in the NFL don't understand an injury here or something happened there it's a wrap you not gonna you not gonna play in the nfl if if you were a doctor or a lawyer or had a normal occupation your career is not going to be as long as theirs and you needed to understand that yeah right

but he was the only one and my sister would have called me i said get out of my face but that was the only time. And from that moment on, I didn't have no choice because I started having babies. Oh, you ain't got no choice. That'll get you right. That'll get you in the world real quick. You know the three words I hated?

Three words to this day, and I ain't heard them since. I love you. Shannon, I'm you. Shannon. I'm pregnant. Got to be more careful. Yeah. Yeah, listen, some listen.

They were they were nothing but blessings on the back end because here's the thing Ocho now my home boy is hearing my home boy is Savannah right he hearing yeah he probably gonna make it you know he ain't gonna make it look at that he thought

he's gonna be a first round pick he going to seventh round he ain't gonna even make the team my home boy just do like a kid he ain't to be a first-round pick. He's going to seventh round. He ain't going to even make the team. My homeboy just did like a kid. He ain't going to be able to take care of them kids. Yada, yada, yada. Man, Ocho. And I remember my grandmother,

the only thing she ever said, you make them, you take care of them now. That's it. She wasn't like, I'm disappointed in you because I didn't raise you like that. The only thing she said, take care of them now. That's it. She didn't, she wasn't up, I'm disappointed in you because I didn't raise you like that. The only thing she said, take care of them kids, boy. Cause you know,

old people, they don't call you by your name. My grandma very often called me by name. She called me boy, called me son. That's the way they do it inside. She said,

hey, hey boy, take care of them kids. Okay. It got, Ocho, it made me focus, but it gave me a desire because my desire to succeed now was far

greater than your desire to want me to fail but see the one thing that I had in my favor that you didn't is that I control my success yeah only thing you could do was wish and hope right I had it in my hands yeah it was yours to lose bad Ocho bad look here but those man that that was that was that was that was the time Ocho that I look back and I think about it and as we talk about a lot of times financially we weren't always the most financially responsible people no it take a time now sometimes you don't get an opportunity to recover because if you make too great a mistake.

Yeah. At this juncture of my life, Ochoa, I ain't trying to hit nothing but singles. I ain't trying to hit nothing out the park. You can't.

If I need to walk, as long as I get on base. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's different, man. Financial literacy is so important for us. It's not even about being an athlete, just for everybody in general. Understanding the value of a dollar. I had to learn. I learned really quick. It just took one incident. It took one mistake and it tightened and straightened me up really quick. And it's gotten me to the point where I am today. Listen, 11, 12 years you move for the game, and obviously I'm very fortunate

because of some of the people surrounded by me, Doug for one, some other people to where I'm at a point now where I'm making more now, and I'm not even playing football. I ain't got to take no hits. I ain't got to score no touchdowns. I'm making more now

and I ain't caught a damn pass in 10 years. Thank you. Man. Listen, you know, but then those, those principles and that, that, that financial discipline is still instilled in me. I have a little, I have a little fun here and there, you know, for the kids, for the missus, but it's never to the extreme where I have to maintain and keep up an image. No, never, never, never. I never get to and keep up an image. No. Never. Never. I never get to that point because I

understand. Like, I don't care what you see going across that screen, across that ticker, but that money will jump funny real fast if you move it wrong. My grandma always said, a fool and his money sell shoon part ways. They will. Every time.

And then at what point in time, Ocho, and like me for cars, Ocho, I done had every car. Ferraris don't do it for me. Yeah. Mercedes, I've had every, Rolls Royce, I've had them all. So now, me just getting a car,

hey, ain't nothing wrong with that range. I get that thing serviced every year, and it still drive good. And you get from point A to point B. The exact same. How about my dumb ass? I think it was 2009 and maybe 2010. I leased the damn Bugatti for a year.

And then I get fined when we playing the Philadelphia Eagles in the preseason. I forgot who wore number 55. Caucasian brother. I forgot his name number 55 Caucasian brother I forgot his name I got hit across the middle I'm talking about big hit I'm like well golly

I think my helmet went flying I went to the sideline And I had my phone on the sideline And I tweeted it's okay guys I'm okay it was a good hit I tweeted the NFL Fired me $25,000 In the preseason I tweeted the NFL fined me $25,000 in the preseason.

I tweeted out the following day. I'm chat. Y'all can find this tweet too. I tweeted out the following day. Well, man, they done took $25,000. That was one of my Bugatti payments. That sure is. Man, I took that call back about a month later. Man, get this.

Get this. Why? But you already locked into the... You might as well a month later. Man, get this, get this, get this. Why? But you already locked into the, you might as well just kept it. Man, I took that car back a month later. By the time we got

the goddamn November, we was in a prison. By the time we got to November, uh-uh, you got, baby, you got to go. You got to go.

Mind you, I had did that based off, I had had all type of shows in the off season. So, it was coming in like crazy. So I was like, you know what, I'm going to treat myself and get something I've never had before that not very many people had. And I did that.

You know, I treated myself a little bit, but it had nothing to do with what I had coming in on the field. Right. Never again. I said, let me lock back in and get back to the discipline that I had fucking displayed the past six or seven years. But I know what it's like to drive it now. And then plus, Ocho, I hear whatever kind of car you think you can have,

drive it in Beverly Hills. And when you pull up to the light, I guarantee you're going to see another one look just like it, just a different color. Yeah. Unless you got the space shuttle and they got those. Yeah. So I don the space shuttle and they got those. Yeah. So I don't know who you trying to impress

because drive around here and you're going to see 70 million, 100 million, 200 million dollar mansion. You think you're impressing somebody and they tap a button and the whole wall go down into the floor. The entire wall. So imagine you got whatever size house you got.

You press a button and the wall disappears. So you can't impress nobody. So once you realize that you can't impress nobody out here. Man, I wish I might. I'm going to drive mine. Man, what you drive? A 2012 Range Rover. Yeah.

A 2005 smart car. With the rims scuffed up. Man, wait. Once you get the rims painted, why? Why? That didn't really hurt nobody. Guess what? I'm going to pull up to the curb again and go scuff them up again.

So I'm good. Yeah. I mean, once you realize, Ocho, that the people that you try and impress, they don't really care. Uh-uh. I mean, if you think about it,

people don't really care about you. No. They don't. They don't. And I tell people all the time. I tell players, even the players playing today. I tell them all the time.

I say, listen, find a way to make yourself a household name. Find yourself a way to make yourself a household name. And you do that by what you do on the field. And you get to a point in your career where your name is bigger than anything you can buy. Your name is bigger than anything you can purchase. So it doesn't matter what you're driving. They recognizing who the individual is outside that helmet. Yep. When your name and your visibility is bigger than anything you could purchase to put on and wear, they go your value.

Yeah. They go your value right there. You don't need the fancy car. You don't need all the motherfucking jewelry because when you out in public, oh shit. I got one. I got a wildlife. I got a bracelet. Got me a little nail Yeah

Got two bracelets But I need to get my number back I gotta get my number Cause you know When my house got broken into They took my number You gotta get your 84 It wasn't the fact

Yeah man My brother gave it to me Send him see The thing is Like the watch is not Even the watch is not Ocho They don't have the same They don't have the same value to me.

They don't hold you. Okay. Because, Ocho, it was a grind. Every watch that I got, I saw that watch, and I was like, I save up and get it. They get it, yeah. That's a good feeling, too, huh? Man, Ocho, that's what hurts so bad, Ocho, is that I saved up to get those watches, man. I mean, man, that thing hurt.

Like I said, it wasn't because insurance covered everything. It was that, man, I was like, man, I remember seeing that watch. I'm like, I'm going to get that. Okay. 5,000 here say, oh, I got an appearance there. Yeah. Got an autograph signing here. You did something there.

Ended up saving. It might take me two years, but I got an appearance there. Yeah. Got an autograph signing here. Do something there. End up saving. It might take me two years, but I got it. Yeah. And the feeling that when you save up to get something, like me, that's why I don't really do a whole lot.

Right. Because I got money now to go do it. It ain't like, it don't have the same meaning to me. Nah. And you know what's good? Now you speaking of saving, right? I myself, we just got

we just got a new place obviously you see the backtrack i'm not at the old place no more right i told real i give you a year and a half and i'm up out of here well i don't know what she gonna be i know i'm leaving so i got my whole i got my whole up hold on let me show you real quick Hold on I ain't bullshit Listen You see this? You about to build a door? You about to build a house? Well, I'm not Uncle, I'm not playing

Uncle, I'm not playing I got my flow plans right here I got my flow plans right here This is It's called Osho's World Right I told Real I said, listen I'm going to give you a year and a half. We ain't going to be here no more.

I know we just got here. I think we only been here three weeks. I give you a year and a half, and we moving. I told myself by 2025, I need to be breaking ground in January. On my birthday, I need to be breaking ground on January. It's called Osho's World. Little 12,000 square foot. Little 12? Man, listen, I got 11 kids, man. I got 11 kids. They might be in college, some, you know, everybody, damn near everybody grown now except

for the little three. But I'm going to treat myself for all the hard work and all the saving I've done throughout the years. Right. And then come on the back end and do something I want to do for the little ones. For the little ones. Just as a fun. I will open it up, but it's too big. And I can't write that goddamn big. But, man, listen, I'm talking about I've been penny pinching for a very long time just to do something like that. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

Just to do something like that. I'm finna get it, too. You got to reward yourself. Oh, yeah. You got to reward yourself. Oh, yeah. You gotta reward yourself. And the fact that me and her beefing, so I want to be able to say, you know what,

I don't want to talk to you right now. I'm finna go on the West Wing. I'm finna go on the West Wing. I don't even want to. I ain't trying. I want to be able to play hide and seek, and it take you about an hour to find me. Man, you wild,

Lojo. Nah, nah, nah, nah. I'm more not lit. My mouth dry right now. All this time I've been talking because there ain't no water in the refrigerator downstairs. But that's what I can't afford nothing right now. My money, you know, I'm penny-pinching.

I got some plans. I got a master plan brewing. Oh, you got plans? I got some brewing. I got some brewing, Ocho. I got some brewing. I didn't give you my plan. That's my plan right there.

So I'm locked in. I ain't spending nothing. You know, Chad, if y'all see me in the same outfit, you know, for two, three weeks, a month, two months, now you know why. Yeah. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming.

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