Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Shannon Sharpe & Chad Johnson LIVE from Resorts World Las Vegas

Episode Date: February 10, 2024

Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson are broadcasting LIVE from Resorts World Las Vegas and breaking down the Super Bowl LVIII matchup between the San Francisco 49ers and Kansas City Chiefs, ...Ocho FINALLY appearing on First Take, Chad apparently joining the Las Vegas Raiders coaching staff,  tonight's NFL Honors ceremony and much more! 6:40 - Ocho’s appearance on First Take 18:45 - Ocho fools the media saying he’s coaching for the Raiders 11:30 - Ocho says what he’ll give up if Chiefs don’t win Super Bowl 15:00 - Reaction to NFL Honors  17:20 - Debate if Lamar is held to higher standard after winning 2nd MVP 21:10 - Mahomes happy with Chiefs being villains 27:00 - T-Pain joins the show 28:50 - T-Pain on autotune & writing country music 31:35 - Ocho challenges T-Pain to sing-off 34:10 - Ocho explains why TSA Pre-check is a waste & how to fly cheaply 42:30 - Orlando Brown Jr. joins the show 45:50 - Orlando Brown Jr. on differences between Mahomes & Burrow 47:40 - Why Eric Bieniemy didn’t get a head coaching job 52:40 - Nightcap hits 1Mil Subs (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)      #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:39 We thank all the support that you've given us over five months and four months of being on YouTube. So first of all, Ocho, Nightcap staff, we want to thank you for all the support that you've given us over five months and four months of being on YouTube. So first of all, Ocho, Nightcap staff, we want to thank you for all your support. So thank you. Give yourself a round of applause. I normally have what I'm going to say written in the monitor, so I'm going to try to wing it. Welcome to another episode of Nightcap. I am your favorite up Shannon sharp He's your favorite number 85 route runner extraordinaire Pizza on cloud bingo's ring of fame a three to a three time all-pro six-time Pro Bowler
Starting point is 00:03:15 He's the well, how should I see it? He's mr. Rail Chad Oh Joe Cinco Johnson For your that for those people that are home that's watching us live. Thank you again for joining us We're at nine hundred and ninety eight thousand subs. We're almost at a million and I we're gonna hit that made tonight We're gonna celebrate we gonna drink. Yeah to drink. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to drink some of this Kog Mac. Like T-Pain said, we're going to pour you a drink.
Starting point is 00:03:49 Some of this Kog Mac. Please make sure y'all subscribe to the podcast feed through Nightcap. You can also get it through Club Che Che, but Nightcap has its own podcast feed, so thank you. Make sure you do that. We've also pinned Che by LaPortier at the top of the chat. Please, the Super Bowl party is what, three days away. You got Valentine's Day. You got St. Patrick's Day. And I'm sure some of
Starting point is 00:04:10 you guys out there have birthdays. So please make sure you go out and get yourself a bottle for you or that someone special. Ladies, get your man a bottle of Shade. You will thank me later and he will thank you shortly after that. So thank you for joining us. Ocho, we're going to get right into it. Not going gonna waste any more time. Wait, wait. We ain't even asking you about how they feeling. Okay, go ahead, you take it over there. Hey, how y'all feeling this week?
Starting point is 00:04:34 Yep. Who we got, who we all going for Sunday? Chief fans? Chief fans! 49er fans? 49er fans? 49er fans. All right.
Starting point is 00:04:48 All right. If you're a gambling man, bet on the Chiefs, 38-28. Well, you made some wages. We're going to get into that a little later. You made some wages of some things that you're going to give up, which I don't believe you can give up any of those things for like two days, let alone for a whole year. But we'll talk about that a little later. You finally made your appearance on First Take. How you pull that off? I just showed up. Hey, can y'all, you know what? I've been begging to go on First Take
Starting point is 00:05:16 for about three, four months. About three, four months? Something like that? Yes. Can y'all please give Shannon a round of applause for letting his little brother come on first date, please? And all I needed was to get my foot in the door. To get my foot in the door. Because I know he had no idea what Ocho would show up. But I know how to conduct myself. Because that is Disney.
Starting point is 00:05:37 That's Disney. That's Disney. So I know you can't curse. And I'm not going to embarrass you. I'm not going to embarrass us. And I enjoyed it. So that's like the first step step the next step is getting me on there part-time right right so I'm working my way into I got one foot in you want to be a contributor no no no no no I'm trying I'm trying to like it's like three amigos me you and Stephen Akin like take this shit over yeah I'm telling you. The ratings gonna like just...
Starting point is 00:06:06 You see, so in other words, you see I'm on two days, right? Right. So how do you feel that you gonna come on and get five days and I got two? No, I don't wanna be two days. That's why I say you wanna be a contributor. Yeah. Like, one day, one day, one day. That's what a contributor is. Okay. Okay, two.
Starting point is 00:06:21 Okay. That's still what a contributor is. Okay. Just, I want long my foot in the dough. Okay, too. Okay. That's still what a contributor is. Okay. I won't long my foot in the dough. So what did you think? I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. I wasn't nervous because, you know, I'm used to talking. Questions were good. Obviously, it was very comfortable for me.
Starting point is 00:06:41 Right. One of the problems that I probably would have is it was easy just to talk football. I didn't have to be critical and analytical of anybody. Right. Now, that's something that I need to work on, something that you and Stephen A are really good at. And I really hate chastising players. You know how I am.
Starting point is 00:06:57 You get on too many times. So, if it's something that I want to do, I would have to get better in that area. As far as talking football, talking players, I'm set. You're good on that. I'm good on that. Now, I'm just trying to figure out how you fool the media. I mean, the media is so gullible. You tweeted out something yesterday that you had signed with that you were going to be a coach for the Raiders.
Starting point is 00:07:18 I am. And they bought it hook, line, and sinker. Yeah. Oh. You losing me? Yeah. That's what she said so how did you how did you put so how did you become a rated coach so what position are you coaching i'm i'm interim coach
Starting point is 00:07:35 you're interim coach i'm interim coach what what position um assistant wide receiver head coach to the head coach oh okay yeah so marvin is the assistant head right right ap is, head coach to the head coach. Oh, okay. Yeah. So Marvin is the assistant head coach. Right, right. AP is the head coach. Right. So you're the assistant to Marvin. I'm the assistant to the assistant of the head coach or the receiver coach. Oh.
Starting point is 00:07:57 Yeah. So a newly created position. Yeah, they do that all the time. They do that all the time. It's called a buddy system. Mm-hmm. Buddy system. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:04 So I had dinner with Antonio Pierce and some other folks. Some other folks. And I talked to Antonio and I asked him, like, listen, I have 38 jobs right now. I'm looking to diversify my portfolio, build my resume, and will help me get other jobs based on what I'm doing. So being a part of your staff would only further help me get where I'm trying to go. And he said, no problem. So I tweeted out a picture with me and Antonio Pierce. And I said, I'm finally got a position as a coach with the Raiders. And he tweeted right behind me and said, I can't wait to have you coaching up 17. And that's Devante Adams. So because he retweeted it and basically made it true, I'm a coach. Now, we haven't talked logistics and money and all that.
Starting point is 00:08:50 I mean, how do you take a job and not understand finance? They might pay you a dollar a day. Listen, that dollar is going to be worth it. Opportunity. Long as I get my foot in the door. Like today, I was on first take. I ain't worried about no money. Well, once I get my foot in the door, I'm good. How about this? I was worried about you saying something crazy because like you said, you had your foot in the door. Yeah. I was going to shut the door on your foot if you said something crazy. No, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:09:10 I ain't going to do that. I ain't going to. Listen, there's one thing about it. Like, you consider me your little brother. If you give me an opportunity, I'm not going to embarrass you. No, I think the only reason you wasn't trying to, it wasn't me I was worried about. It was Rail. Right.
Starting point is 00:09:22 See, Rail was there. You wasn't going to embarrass Rail. Yeah, that too. See, if Rail ain't there, could be like sometimes we're railing the bed sleeping. Yeah, you and I'll be talking about still real Don't know Oh Yeah, there you go, I just play a rail she ain't got no seat in the front Rail you don't have a seat? Hold on.
Starting point is 00:09:49 No. I mean, maybe for the last 10, 15 minutes of the show, rail, you can sit over there on the couch. You can join us up on the stage. So check this out, Ocho. Yeah. You said you were so confident that the Chiefs are going to win this game. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:10:07 You said if they don't win, you'll give up eating McDonald's for one year. That's easy. You'll divorce Rale. That's true. And give up sex for the rest of the year.
Starting point is 00:10:16 I got a hand. You got a hand? How many cards you got? Huh? You playing spades? No, I ain't playing spades. I'm just saying I got a hand. I don't believe you're giving up
Starting point is 00:10:26 any of that, first of all. Actually, I think the hardest thing for you to give up would be McDonald's. I can do it. You can't. I can do it. You cannot.
Starting point is 00:10:34 There's something I have that's called discipline. Discipline. And that's the best trait, the best asset I do have. So if I had to give up McDonald's... Listen, for one, the Chief's not losing.
Starting point is 00:10:44 Let's start there. Right. I know. I've seen the's. Listen, for one, the Chief's not losing. Let's start there. Right. I know. I've seen the script. Ash, put it in the poll. How many people believe Ocho could give up McDonald's for one year? Put it in the poll. We're going to put a poll.
Starting point is 00:10:53 Okay, forget McDonald's. What about sex? I believe you have a better chance of giving up sex than McDonald's. That's how I know you don't know me. Real. You addicted to both of them. No, no. Watch this.
Starting point is 00:11:05 Real. Real. You addicted to both of them. No, no, watch this. Real. I made her wait two years before she even got none. I promise, I made her wait two years. That's my point. Right. You ever waited two years before you ate McDonald's? No, but- Exactly.
Starting point is 00:11:19 But we, it was three things. It was three different things. No, you gotta give up, hold on. You said you'll give up eating McDonald's, divorce, and I'll give up sex. And give up sex for the rest of your life. That's three things. Right, but I've done all three before. Not in the same year.
Starting point is 00:11:34 Actually, it was. Man, you ain't gone three days without eating McDonald's. I'm telling you, man. I'm telling you. What's the longest you've ever gone without McDonald's? For real? No, for play. Yeah, for real.
Starting point is 00:11:44 I tried to be Muslim once. Mm-hmm. the longest you've ever gone without McDonald's? For real? No, for play. Yeah, for real. I tried to be Muslim once. So I was Muslim. I was reading the Quran. They have fish filet at McDonald's. French fries. No, no, no, no. Milkshakes. I couldn't. I had to change my diet because I was Muslim for like six months. Muslims eat
Starting point is 00:12:02 fish. Not that kind of fish. What you mean with that kind of fish? No. Muslims eat fish. Not that kind of fish. What you mean with that kind of fish? No, Muslims eat salmon. They eat fish. That ain't what Farrakhan told me. I'm telling you. I did it for six months, but I couldn't take it.
Starting point is 00:12:17 I couldn't take it no more. So, hold on. You couldn't take that, but you're going to take giving them McDonald's for a whole year. You couldn't take that. You couldn't do that for a year,
Starting point is 00:12:24 but you're going to give them six. The Chiefs are not losing. And the fact that you're going to take giving them McDonald's for a whole year. You couldn't take that. You couldn't do that for a year, but you're going to give them six. The Chiefs are not losing. And the fact that you're even betting against Patrick Mahomes is asinine. You bet against Patrick Mahomes against the Ravens. Remember? No, that's because I believe in Lamar. And that's because it's home team. You know, Lamar from down the street in Pompano.
Starting point is 00:12:42 So I'm like, I'm a root for home team. But my heart was with Lamar. Logar logically I was with the Chiefs well you should have said that you should have said my heart is with Lamar I didn't want to say that I wanted to say it how I said it and you were wrong and you're gonna be wrong with this oh let's bet put your money where your mouth is what do you think you could give up? McDonald's. You think you could give up McDonald's? Thank you. God damn, Real, you in trouble there. I'm telling you, I could do it.
Starting point is 00:13:13 I could do it. I don't believe it, Ocho. I'm just saying I don't believe it. You didn't believe I could go on first take and do what I did. You already had to put on first take, Ocho. That was 10 years ago. But you were on first take. Nah, I'm on that now, though.
Starting point is 00:13:26 Oh, Lord. I'm on that now. I'm a foot in the door. That's all I needed. NFL honors. We have some awards passed out. Lamar Jackson was the MVP. Christian McCaffrey.
Starting point is 00:13:36 Go ahead and applaud. Christian McCaffrey was Offensive Player of the Year. Miles Garrett won Defensive Player of the Year. CJ Stroud, the Houston Texan, was Offensive Rookie of the Year. Will Anderson Jr., Defensive Rookie of the Year, also from the Texans. The Coach of the Year was Kevin Stefanski,
Starting point is 00:13:57 and Comeback Player of the Year was Joe Flacco. Of all the awards, what's your biggest surprise? Biggest surprise. Joe Flacco, of all the awards, what's your biggest surprise? Biggest surprise. Joe Flacco. Comeback player of the year. Yeah, comeback player of the year. Obviously, Joe, he came in and replaced of injured Deshaun Watson. He only came back from being old.
Starting point is 00:14:17 There wasn't nothing wrong with it. That too. He came back. He played good football. He played good football. He made the Cleveland Browns look different. It looked different. But all year long, I kept hearing DeMar Hamlin yes DeMar Hamlin DeMar Hamlin and you know there
Starting point is 00:14:31 were some games where he didn't play but I just thought comeback player of the year would be would have been him someone that almost passed the man almost died almost died so being able to even even play this year put a helmet on put a helmet. He's the one comeback player of the year. Yeah. For me, I'm going to go Kevin Stefanski. Why? Because the Cleveland Browns were picked to be a playoff team, even though Deshaun went out and they played with probably three or four quarterbacks. But what D'Amico Ryan did with the Houston Texans,
Starting point is 00:15:00 a rookie head coach, a rookie quarterback, win 10 games, win the division. For me, I think that's the biggest surprise. And a playoff game. And won a playoff game, absolutely. If you want to say defensive player, I was a little surprised that Miles Garrett, considering he finished seventh in sacks, I thought probably T.J. Watt because he's the first player to lead the league in sacks three times. Three times, yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:24 But I think there might have been some other factors and other variables that they considered when it came to picking the defensive player of the year. I don't know what they are. Obviously, I'm sure it's more than just obviously sack total, which is why he won it. Right. Yeah, Cleveland's defense, I think defensive efficiency, they were number one. But Miles had an outstanding year. Congratulations to all the guys that won.
Starting point is 00:15:47 It's a huge honor. Lamar Jackson, a two-time league MVP, a two-time all-pro player, three-time Pro Bowl player, and he's only 27 years of age. I have a question. Are you going to hold Lamar Jackson to an even higher standard? Absolutely. Now that he's a two-time MVP. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:16:02 Absolutely. And everybody should. You can't say this. You have now, really, you have to hold him to the standards that you hold of Patrick Mahomes, that you hold of Aaron Rodgers, that you held of Tom Brady, of Peyton Manning, those guys. Because there are not very many guys that can say, I have two MVPs.
Starting point is 00:16:18 He has two. He's led the league in passing. He's been an all-pro. So why should we hold him to any different standard than we held the all-time greats? Because that's the class that he's in now currently. Ocho? Okay, I got you.
Starting point is 00:16:30 I'm just curious. I'm just making a show so I'll be ready for next year. No, the question is not whether I'm going to. The question is whether are you going to. Yeah, of course I'm going to. But a quarterback is only good at supporting cast. So as long as those pieces are around, I'm just telling you. You see what we're doing now?
Starting point is 00:16:43 We already started it. No, no, no. I'm just telling you. You see we're doing that? You see, we already started it. I'm just saying, it is true. A quarterback is only good at supporting the cast. So who had the better supporting cast? The better supporting cast, Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes? Patrick Mahomes. So that's not what you said. That's not what you said on nightcap
Starting point is 00:17:05 For real? You said offensively Oh you forget What about Zay Flowers And Bateman And likely And that running game And that offensive line
Starting point is 00:17:14 We talk about Patrick Mahomes We can't You definitely cannot I thought we was Holding Lamar to the same standard We holding Patrick Mahomes We are We are
Starting point is 00:17:22 He just wasn't able to come to shortcomings I just asked you a simple question. Okay. And see, now you waffling already. I'm not. So you're not going to hold
Starting point is 00:17:30 Lamar to that same standard. I'm holding him to the same standard. Can we start that next year? When the next season starts. He had that talent this year. We knew he was going to win the MVP
Starting point is 00:17:39 going into that game. Did we not? You said he's going to be the MVP. Why did they lose the game? Huh? Why did they lose the playoff game? Lamar didn't play well. And it's okay to say that. Okay. Did we not? You said he's going to be the MVP. Why did they lose the game? Huh? Why did they lose the playoff game? Lamar didn't play well.
Starting point is 00:17:47 And it's okay to say that. Okay. Did he play well? He had some mistakes. He had some mistakes. I'm just saying he had some mistakes. Did he play well? He didn't play well, but there was some other.
Starting point is 00:18:00 That's all you have to say. Wait, let me finish. Okay. There was some other factors that went into them losing that game. There was a fumble. Who fumbled the ball? There was a strip sack. Who did that?
Starting point is 00:18:09 Zay trying to cross the line. Okay, who had that strip sack? Left tackle got beat. Who had the ball? He held the ball a little bit too long. Okay, the interception and the triple coverage. Who threw that one? To likely, he threw that.
Starting point is 00:18:22 Who is he? I don't know who he is. Lamar. Okay, well, who lost the ball in the strip side? The left tackle's fault. Oh, now we... It's the left tackle. Listen, we can't blame it on one person.
Starting point is 00:18:33 For one, the play call was bad. We did with Dak. When the Cowboys lose, we blame Dak. When Buffalo lose, we blame Josh Allen. But now, I noticed this with you and a lot of fans out there, that every time the Ravens lose, we blame everybody else except Lamar. We blame Josh Allen. But now, I noticed this with you and a lot of fans out there, that every time the Ravens lose, we blame everybody else except Lamar. Now, actually, when any team loses,
Starting point is 00:18:52 I place the blame on everybody that's responsible for it. Well, who gets the most of the credit when they win? Everybody or the quarterback? The head coach. Don't do that. The head coach. Don't do that. You don't think so? Don't do that.
Starting point is 00:19:03 You don't think? I'm just asking. When a team wins, who gets the credit? The head coach. Don't do that. You don't think so? Don't do that. You don't think? I'm just asking. When a team wins, who gets the credit? The head coach? The quarterback gets the credit. All right. Why you do that? I'm just telling you.
Starting point is 00:19:12 From what I see on TV, when teams win, they talk about the quarterback, but it's also the head coach and what he's done for the team. Really? The Houston Texans. CJ Stroud had a great year. Who gets all the credit? CJ Stroud. D'Amico Ryans. CJ. Alright.
Starting point is 00:19:28 Maybe you watching a different TV. You know, first of all, without a quarterback, it doesn't matter who the quarterback is. Okay, Coach Belichick. How much credit did he get this year? Who? If it's all about the head coach, if Belichick got six championships. Yeah. Okay, so why didn't he win this year?
Starting point is 00:19:43 He didn't have a quarterback. He didn't have a quarterback. He didn't have a quarterback. He didn't have a quarterback. But you just said it's the head coach. Let me ask you a question. Ask me one. If you got a car, right? Yes.
Starting point is 00:19:55 But you ain't got no goddamn steering wheel, where you going? If you got a car, but you ain't got no motherfucking steering wheel, where you going? What kind of car I'm driving? Come on, man. Come on, man. Come on, man. If I got a smart car, I can go anywhere I want to because I'm using my feet anyway. Don't do that. Oh, my bad.
Starting point is 00:20:13 You got a smart car. My bad. My bad, Ocho. No, but you know what I'm saying. Yeah. You know what I'm saying. I hate the fact that quarterbacks obviously get held to a different standard. Yes.
Starting point is 00:20:23 It's not fair because, again, a quarterback is only good as a supporting cast. Some quarterbacks are really great, and they can overcome having a lack of talent around them. One of those being Patrick Mahomes. They were fucking shit. Oh, I'm sorry. I curse. My bad. They were horrible all year.
Starting point is 00:20:41 Yes. The receivers led the NFL in drops. Yes. What happened? Patrick Mahomes found a The receivers led the NFL in drops. Yes. What happened? Patrick Mahomes found a way to overcome the lack of— He stopped turning the ball over, too, because remember, in three playoff games, he doesn't have a turnover. Yeah. So he stopped turning the ball over also.
Starting point is 00:20:55 Yeah. So we can't just say the receivers were dropping the ball. Patrick Mahomes played at a level that we weren't accustomed to seeing him play at either, which was very poor. Now, we got to judge Patrick Mahomes on Patrick Mahomes. Not against anybody else because if you judge him against anybody else in the league, you're going to say, man, he had a pretty good season. But when you judge him against Patrick
Starting point is 00:21:14 Mahomes, that's how you got to judge Lamar now. You got to judge Lamar against Lamar Jackson. Not against other quarterbacks. You got to judge him as a two-time league MVP. A two-time All-Pro player. Okay. I got you.
Starting point is 00:21:27 I'm with you. We on the same page. Okay. We on the same page. I just want to make sure we on the same page in the same book, though. Yeah. Same book, same page. Mahomes said, Chiefs are okay being the villains.
Starting point is 00:21:36 It's a price of winning. Mahomes says, I think just like winning, if you win a lot and that causes you to be a villain, then I'm okay with it. But at the end of the day then I'm okay with it. But at the end of the day, I'm going to enjoy playing the game and try to win as much as possible. You agree with what he's saying? Absolutely. People hate consistency. People hate consistency when it comes to teams that you don't like and not a fan of, and they constantly win all the time. The Patriots went through the same thing. Small example. I'm going to just take boxing, for instance. Right.
Starting point is 00:22:06 Floyd. Yes. Everybody loved when Floyd was winning early in his career. Yes. But when he kept winning, he became the villain. Yes. And then everybody paying in and tuning in to see him lose. Right.
Starting point is 00:22:17 That's it. He became the villain, not that he wanted to, but it's the fact that he kept winning consistently. Now the Chiefs are in the same boat. Yes, that's how it happens because we love Tom Brady. Oh! T-Pain, what's up, bro? No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:22:33 Come on, have a seat. No, no, no. Have a seat. What did I do? You join in. I was just saying what's up. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next.
Starting point is 00:22:49 In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked
Starting point is 00:23:58 like it might bring down his presidency. Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask... I'm Leon Nafak, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran-Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember
Starting point is 00:24:29 today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So, okay, we ask everybody, I mean, we kind of 50-50, Chiefs, 49ers,
Starting point is 00:25:00 who you like for the season? You know what, man? You know, everybody always asks me who my favorite team is, and I've done a lot of halftime shows, so it's kind of whoever paying me for the week. I mean, at this juncture, man, you know, I hate to base it off of my relationships, but I do know Taylor Swift personally,
Starting point is 00:25:23 so I got to kind of... You go with the Chiefs? I got to... You know, I don't want to, but it's, you know, all that money in them boxes up there, it's just you want to stick around the checks, you know what I mean? Yeah. I just don't want to weigh my own,
Starting point is 00:25:39 I want to outweigh my chances, but, you know, hey man, good luck to everybody, but at the same time, only one of them paid me so far what happened i'm gonna ask you this there's been a lot of fans are upset they say they show taylor too much and not focus on what's going on the field what do you think about that are they showing taylor too much i think they show celebrities the same amount i think they show jack nicholson a lot they used to i think they show uh spikeolson a lot. They used to. I think they show Spike Lee a lot. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:08 Anybody that show up, I think they show Lil Wayne a lot. I think, you know, but, you know, it's a white lady. So, you know, everybody goes. You're going to get noticed a little easier. So are you doing, are you performing, or are you in town for the Super Bowl? Well, I'll start my residency tonight at Zouk right there, right next door. So I was just coming to say what's up. I still ain't took a shower today, so I'm going to go ahead and do that.
Starting point is 00:26:37 I want to ask you this. Let me ask you this. I've heard you sing, and I've heard you sing songs, and you didn't have auto-tunes. What made you decide to use auto-tunes when your voice is as good as anything we have? Because if I would have came out singing, I would have just sounded like everybody else. No, you don't sound like everybody else. It would have just been another voice. Right. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:26:57 So there's nothing special about it. There's people in this crowd that can sing, that can out-sing me right now. Don't they not? I'm sure there is. Not in this? Cinco. Yeah. Oh, sure there is. Not in this? Cinco. Yeah. Yeah. You heard that new
Starting point is 00:27:09 Toby and Cinco? That thing's crazy. I mean, I would have just been another voice. You know what I mean? Especially, you know. In the rap game. Dark skin, dreads, wasn't a lot of space for me. You know what I mean? When I came out, had to be light skin, low haircut.
Starting point is 00:27:24 It was a lot going on. I had to be able to dance. I was fat. It was a lot of space for me. You know what I mean? When I came out, it had to be light skin, low haircut. It was a lot going on. I had to be able to dance. I was fat. It was a lot going on. It had a lot going against me. It wasn't really working out for me. But no, I made it through because there was something different
Starting point is 00:27:34 about my voice. You know what I mean? So I needed something to break through the fog. I heard the other day you talking about how you wrote a lot of songs or you've been writing songs
Starting point is 00:27:44 for country musicians. And the credits was kind of getting you in trouble because you was getting some blowback and you was like man if that just got me to check don't put my name in yeah no it wasn't really blowback it was just like i don't know what we can say on the show you good you good we rated r the comments on there was just like... Was it N-word? It was a lot of N-word. It was a lot of it. It was a bunch. That was primarily the word that I saw a lot. Anytime somebody said
Starting point is 00:28:11 I had anything to do with this song, I was like, what's this nigga doing on this song? Why you got anything to do with him? I thought you were a patriot.
Starting point is 00:28:18 It was just a lot of that. It was just... It was a lot. But did the check clear? Oh, the check always cleared. And it cleared on time. That's the crazy thing. Country music is very punctual.
Starting point is 00:28:28 Very punctual with the checks. You deal with some of these darker companies. They give you that 90 days. The contract says 90 days. We're going to send it at 91. Do you remember when you was growing up And they ask you They post date of the check
Starting point is 00:28:47 Oh absolutely Don't pass this I put a Friday on it Don't you take your ass To the bank on Thursday You can just not cash this For me real quick I'm going to come back on Tuesday
Starting point is 00:28:55 I'm going to let you know If you can cash it then But probably don't do it then If it's Wednesday I'm going to just cut you another check I'm going to come pay another one Because I'm going to move banks You see Bank of America
Starting point is 00:29:03 They messing me up See what I'm saying So I'm going to move to Chase And I'm going to come Write pay another one because I'm going to move banks. You see, Bank of America, they're messing me up. See what I'm saying? So I'm going to move to Chase and I'm going to come right to a Chase one. If that don't work, I'm going to need you to go to Western Union and with Dixie and then we can probably just make it work from there. It don't work. It's just too many steps. Too many steps. What do you want to say, Ocho?
Starting point is 00:29:18 I want to have a sing-off. I want to have a sing-off. I got to sing tonight. Sing-off, I got to. You coming to the residency? Matter of fact, let me perform with you. Come on up there. No, I'm serious.
Starting point is 00:29:32 You have the shortest residency in Vegas. That should be one night only. With T-Pain featuring Ocho. No, no, no, no, no. Listen, I moved the needle now. I can sing. If you want an example, let me know. Listen, I moved the needle now. I can sing. If you want an example, let me know. Hit a note right there.
Starting point is 00:29:48 Go ahead, move the needle. Ready? I think I can sing. You gotta take a shot. Got me fucked up. You got to stand up, because you know you got to stand up some jack. The diaphragm and stuff.
Starting point is 00:30:03 Ah. That what I was at. That was it. That was the... I'm so in love with you. I know one of those notes. Whatever you want me to. One of those. That's it.
Starting point is 00:30:18 That's it. That's what it is. No, you got to do the... I'll do right. You, you. Sure. Yeah. What you think? What you think? I'll do right. You, you. Sure. Yeah. What you think?
Starting point is 00:30:26 What you think? I'll take that. That was... One to ten. One to ten. Be honest. Be honest. Because my vocal coach ain't here.
Starting point is 00:30:32 She in Miami. I will say this. On one to ten, that's a hot four. You did good. I said a hot four. That's almost a five. I'm telling you. See, that's a good...
Starting point is 00:30:42 That's good. It's a hot four. I'm telling you. You did all right. She playing gay more than. I'm telling you, you did it. She playing gave you more than what I was going to give you. What you gave me? It wasn't on the scale that you put it in, between one and ten. I needed to be lower than one.
Starting point is 00:30:54 That's messed up. I needed a negative energy. Listen, you gave me something to work with. I got, see, I can throw a bunch of auto-tune on that and make something happen. Auto-tune, that sound like a 10. Man, you can use auto-tunes, cartoons, ain't enough tunes. Looney tunes, ain't enough tunes to make that boy sound good.
Starting point is 00:31:12 T-Base, stop playing. I'm telling you. I didn't heard a lot of real bad singers get turned into real good singers. It's just a little bit engineering. They sound like him? I mean, a little bit worse, actually. Oh, my goodness. Some critically acclaimed artists. Thank you. Really? I mean, a little bit worse, actually. Oh, my goodness. There we go.
Starting point is 00:31:25 Some critically acclaimed artists. I'm telling you. Really? Yeah, some of these artists, y'all think. Some other tools could do that? Oh, man, let me tell you. That's why everybody thought I was fake with it. They didn't know how talented you actually were because you had it.
Starting point is 00:31:38 Yeah, yeah. Now, you got to be able to make it sound good. You got to sing in some kind of capacity to make it sound good. But with the right engineer and a bunch of money behind you Absolutely, you can go well. He did it in Jennifer MIT Both y'all rich enough to do anything you want I was gonna stay in my wheelhouse. I know you're in your finances from all these people I'm sorry. I'm here to tell you Ocho Ocho the cheap one I mean, I spend. Even though he was on a bombardier the other day.
Starting point is 00:32:06 Nope. Nope. I didn't pay for nothing. You didn't pay for nothing? I didn't pay for nothing. No, sir. And they think I'm flying back with them. It ain't happening.
Starting point is 00:32:13 Why not? No, absolutely not. That was very uncomfortable. It just wasn't me. I like, listen, I ain't even got a fucking pre-check. I ain't got pre-check. People say...
Starting point is 00:32:22 You got to figure that out. Listen, me and my old lady, we go to the airport. She got pre-check. She say, why don't you get pre-check. People say... You got to figure that out. Listen, me and my old lady, we go to the airport. She got pre-checked. She say, why don't you get pre-checked? For what? What am I paying $85 for? And we get to the gate at the same time. We board at the same time. We land at the same time. What's the point? It's $85 a year.
Starting point is 00:32:38 No, you don't understand. Listen. It's $85 a year. You don't understand. Y'all understand what I'm saying? No. No. Listen, listen to me. If y'all got pre-checked, right?
Starting point is 00:32:49 Okay. We get to the airport at the same time. Okay. All y'all go through first. Okay. I go stand in line with the people. When they call the board, we still board at the same time. So where's the fucking convenience?
Starting point is 00:33:01 You waited two hours and I was sitting in the Sky Club. But we still boarding at the same time. I don't care, but I'm at the Sky Club. We board at the same time. So y'all ain't good with saving money, man. At the same time. No, it don't make no sense. You still going to be in the line with the people.
Starting point is 00:33:13 I'm going to be at the gate like, he about to miss this. But you at the gate. Yeah. I'm going to have to, because I'm one of the ones, I will leave your ass. Oh, yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 00:33:21 I will leave this nigga, man. Y'all don't understand. Y'all don't understand. Y'all don't understand the value of dollars. We do understand because you're going to come through because you're one of them people that be stuffing all your jewelry
Starting point is 00:33:29 in one pocket in your backpack. Yeah. I know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're going to check that. It's going to show up black on the screen at the TSA. They're going to check that.
Starting point is 00:33:36 Y'all not thinking logically. This your bag? I am. Is this your bag, sir? Sir, is this your bag? First class. I'm going to have to run it again, okay? All right.
Starting point is 00:33:44 All right. I'm going to need it again okay all right all right i'm gonna need you to take all this stuff can you take all the electronics i see an ipad in here you can't bring the ipad through sir you cannot bring that if you got a keyboard on you got to take it out exactly what's all this right here is that water that's not water okay i'm gonna have to run it again okay and then they take all your shit out yeah and then they run it again and then okay thank you have a nice day and all your shit yes all your shit out And then they run it again And then they say Okay thank you Have a nice day And all your shit All your shit still sprawled out
Starting point is 00:34:08 All over the goddamn table Exactly Who's going to put that back I don't travel like that I don't travel like that I'm at the gate I'm at the gate With Apple Vision Pro on
Starting point is 00:34:17 You putting all your shit Back in your bag You fly first class You fly first class Yeah You fly first class Absolutely All y'all fly first class Yeah Yeah, yeah. You fly first class? Absolutely. All y'all fly first class?
Starting point is 00:34:25 Yeah, mostly. I'm just asking. I only fly exit row. You fly first exit row. 13A Spirit Airlines. 13A Spirit Airlines every time. See, that's a seat with responsibilities. That's a who?
Starting point is 00:34:41 That's a seat with responsibilities. Yeah, because if you're at exit row, you got to be able to Open the doors Sarah are you in And able to help In the state of emergency Fucking no And I can fly too
Starting point is 00:34:50 I got my pilot's license First of all Let me tell you ma'am I don't know how much This door weigh You got to let me Get a practice run Or some shit
Starting point is 00:34:56 Before we take off I don't know how much This shit I'm like yeah I can handle that shit Soon as we going down I picked that Oh wait bitch
Starting point is 00:35:02 Hold on This shit is Nah Hey ma'am. I'm going to need about two of y'all. Hey, somebody else. You ask somebody else. Does somebody else want to sit here?
Starting point is 00:35:09 Somebody else. Is there a doctor in the goddamn plane, bitch? I don't know. Y'all don't understand. Everybody love first class. Oh, I'm in first class. I'm in exit row. When the plane land, we still get off at the same fucking time.
Starting point is 00:35:19 No, you don't. Yeah. No, you don't. No, you don't. You know why? Why? Because I'm getting off, and then it's that one old ass man that can't get his bag down right and your ass is stuck on the plane i'm sitting
Starting point is 00:35:31 at the gate again with an apple vision pro on like this nigga ain't even coming i don't know y'all don't understand man yeah we do understand this is why we do what we do no i mean first class is a waste of money oh Ocho. First class is a waste of money. Ocho. Pre-check is a waste of money. Ocho. We all get to the same destination at the same time. I get it.
Starting point is 00:35:51 We get on the plane at the same time. We deplane at the same time. So let me ask you a question. It make no sense. Let me ask you a question. When you was growing up and you was thinking about making money and getting out, so what did you want to do? So you wanted to make money to stay the exact same?
Starting point is 00:36:03 You don't dress the same you did when you was in Liberty City. I look just like this. No, you don't. You have a Cuban? Yes. Man, stop lying. I had a Cuban at 14. Boy, you was born in Church, Mice.
Starting point is 00:36:13 No. Boy, a robber broke in your house in Liberty City. Y'all robbed him. No, no, no. Tied him up and everything. I have a question. Y'all saw Griselda? So?
Starting point is 00:36:23 Y'all saw Griselda. You ain't seen Griselda? Yes. Yeah, no, no, no. Man, I was a runner saw Griselda? So who? Y'all saw Griselda. You ain't seen Griselda? Yes. Yeah, no, no, no. That's pretty good. Man, I was a runner for Griselda back in 88. Oh, my God. Oh, so you didn't even run track.
Starting point is 00:36:32 I promise you. This man talking about a runner. He ain't running track. I wasn't running track. I don't know what's going on. No, Griselda was in Kendall. I understand what's going on, but that don't mean he was a runner. No, I went for Big Ike.
Starting point is 00:36:43 I'm telling you. Baby. I can't. I can't Big Ike. I'm telling you. Baby. I can't... All I know is baby be dressing. Baby be spending that money. So I don't know what you're doing, but I know baby. Yeah. I mean, listen, I'm here to tell my stories, and I'm just telling you the truth.
Starting point is 00:36:59 I can sing. I don't like three check, and I don't need first class. Yeah. So you don't spend the money that Rell spent it on. She spent my own money. No, that's you spending your money. Shit me.
Starting point is 00:37:09 Well, that's why she said, hey, Rell, prenup, prenup. Yeah. That's fine. So she can continue to spend her money. That's right. And you can't spend none of it.
Starting point is 00:37:19 I'm not signing it. That's okay. Because if she decides to leave me, I'm leaving with something. You ain't leaving with nothing. Leave what you came with. That's it. The McDonald's coupons. You got to sign it. I'm leaving with something. You ain't leaving with nothing. Leave what you came with. That's it. The McDonald's coupons.
Starting point is 00:37:27 You got to sign it. Take them all with you. You got to sign it. You got to sign it. You got to sign it. Well, you hear T-Pain? You got to sign it. You got to sign it.
Starting point is 00:37:34 It's like the Apple terms and conditions. What you going to do? Not use it? Yeah. You got to sign it. That's what it is. It's like insurance. I ain't really trying to go out there And hit somebody
Starting point is 00:37:45 But if I do I need to know It's taken care of Absolutely L.A. says She's trying to divorce you But just in case She need all
Starting point is 00:37:53 What she can't need You need security You need You know You need that You need that insurance It's not happening I need security
Starting point is 00:38:00 The same lifestyle That she Well go hard No no no Go hard Listen you gotta understand The same lifestyle That she's provided me It ain't even Listen you gotta understand The same lifestyle That she's provided me
Starting point is 00:38:07 Since she came into my life I'm leaving with that I don't You gotta understand If we didn't have These lights up here The people that's The color of us
Starting point is 00:38:14 If we didn't have These lights We'd be just teeth And eyes up here You know what I mean We gonna We got to We got to have
Starting point is 00:38:22 Some kind of Backup plan or something This is It's some lighter Some lighter hue people Out here They ain't got Them problems We got to have some kind of backup plan or something. It's some lighter-hued people out here. They ain't got no problems. We got the problems. We can't be seen like that.
Starting point is 00:38:32 We can't have tinted windows. You got to have that insurance. You got to be ready to crash. Yeah. All right. You're right. You're right. You're right.
Starting point is 00:38:39 I'm just protecting myself. I get it. I get it. Tonight is your first night. Tonight is the first night. What time? How long are you here? I'm here until I'm leaving Sunday. So it's on like a one or first night. Tonight is the first night. So how long are you here? I'm here until, I'm leaving Sunday.
Starting point is 00:38:48 So it's on like a one or two night. I'm getting out of here before y'all niggas go crazy. I'm getting out. So if they came, if the NFL, Jay-Z, I think Jay-Z is responsible
Starting point is 00:38:58 for the halftime show. They came to T-Pain and said, T-Pain, we want you to do the halftime show. You in? Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:39:04 Absolutely. Why would I not do that? Thatime show. You in? Absolutely. Absolutely. Why would I not do that? That's a no-brainer. Is that a dream? Is that a lifelong dream? It's not a lifelong dream because I figured out sometimes you got to pay to perform and everything. I don't want to do that.
Starting point is 00:39:16 Right. I don't want to lose money coming to the Super Bowl. That's terrible. Right. I got to come here to make money. Unless I go push Usher off the stage and some shit. Then I'll do that. That'd be cool as hell.
Starting point is 00:39:24 I think that'll make some headlines. Trip Usher real quick. Get your ass off that motherfucking stage. Go ahead. We got it. I'm going to take a shower.
Starting point is 00:39:34 Y'all niggas is up here. I'm good. I'm good. Hamburger lights and shit. I'm going to see you. Y'all be good. Team. Team.
Starting point is 00:39:40 Y'all be good. Appreciate you, bro. Love. I'm going to see you. I'll be over there after the show. Come perform. Come do a song or something. All right, I got you.
Starting point is 00:39:48 All right, yeah, yeah. T, I sure hope you finish before he get done. Lord, Halbert. Why you do that? I'm sprung. Yeah. Why you do that? What'd I do?
Starting point is 00:40:01 That. That what? Oh, my goodness. What'd I do? Man, I thought there was a goat with a head in the fence the way you was sitting there. Come on, I'll do that. I'll do that. I'll do that. I'll do that. I'll do that. I'll do that. I'll do that. I'll do that. I'll do that. I'll do that. You know I do? That. That what? Oh my goodness. What'd I do? Man, I thought there was a goat with a head in the fence the way you was sitting there. Come on, I'll do that. You know I can hold a note now. He said I'm a foe. Scale of one to ten to four. A foe is good. I ain't had no lessons in like seven years. You know, I used to lead the choir back in the day. Ocho, you ain't set foot in a church in 40 years. And you ain't but 43.
Starting point is 00:40:27 No, I'm 56. But I learned, I'm just saying, when my grandma, my grandma had me in church, I led the choir all the time. You don't even drive by a church. I do. The only church you been to is Church's Chicken. I used to lead the choir.
Starting point is 00:40:40 You want to see? No, I do not. Near the cross. No, you do not. Near the cross. No, you ain't been near no cross. No river. You ain't been near nothing. Why you do that? I know how to sing, man.
Starting point is 00:40:54 I don't, man. I take my hat off the rail. You know what happened? Honestly, honestly, once I hit puberty, shit change. That's what happens. Yeah, that's what happens. Yes, yes. Shit change. I mean, everything else change except, you know.
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Starting point is 00:43:13 To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The guy that's coming to the stage has been an all-pro. He's been a Super Bowl Orlando Brown Jr. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Appreciate y'all, man. Who they, dawg? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:39 I already know, man. Appreciate y'all having me on. Oh, I appreciate you stopping by. Yeah, yeah. Your former team is in the Super Bowl again. Yeah, hell yeah. What are your thoughts? What are you feeling?
Starting point is 00:43:54 You're like, damn, I really left a great situation. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I already knew that, though. Did you? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think oftentimes, man, especially in our position, our profession in the NFL, it's easy to put pleasure over business. And, man, the relationships that I built over there, the people that I knew, my coaches, my O-line coach, Pat, Trav, everything that they built and still building, I knew what I was leaving. But at the end of the day, man, I feel like I ended up in a great situation.
Starting point is 00:44:25 And, I mean, I definitely think the Chiefs are going to win the Super Bowl. You know, just because that's what they do, man. Right. You know what I mean? So what happened? Because, as you mentioned, you had a great situation. You got the best quarterback. You got a historically great tight end, an offense that's flowing like a well-oiled machine. It seems like there was a situation where you wanted X, and they were willing to pay you like R or S.
Starting point is 00:44:44 Yeah, yeah. And that's exactly kind of, you know of how it went, I would say. You know, the thing about the sport and the organizations, y'all were top dogs, y'all understand, is it's only so many that get the big plate. You know what I mean? Like it's a lot of guys at the table, but it's only three that's going to really get that big plate.
Starting point is 00:45:05 Get that bag. Yeah, to where, you know, you live in how you live in, and you got the respect and all that different stuff. So I just felt like it was a situation, man, where my role was somewhat, you know what I mean, minimized just because of where I am in my career. Go ahead, Ochoa. The biggest threat to the Chiefs in the AFC is our Bengals. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:45:29 You heard that, huh? The biggest threat to the Chiefs in the AFC is our Bengals with the healthy Joe Burrow. Yeah, everybody know that. What do you think about us next year when we get Joe back healthy? Do we get T back? You think T Higgins coming back? I'm sure they're probably going to franchise him, right? Yeah, I imagine that's probably how to go down. So with a healthy with a healthy Joe, I think we are right back in contention or probably in the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:46:00 And we'll probably be in this position next year. Your thoughts? I agree, though, because I feel like, man, at the end of the day, a lot of our losses, you know, not taking any credit away from my man Jake. You know, it came down to quarterback playing a few situations here and there. And I mean, Joe Burrow is top two, top three quarterback in this league. Right. And has proven that, you know what I'm saying? And getting him back, man, our defense. And I think the best thing that we really have going is we got a strong front office dog like they like they love the game. They know ball. They go get the guys that they want. And, you know, when you have that type of mindset up up front upstairs, you know, and ownership and front office.
Starting point is 00:46:37 I mean, dog, the sky's the limit. You know what I mean? And I think having like you said, all them names you dropped off, getting them back like that's important. And I think everybody, everybody know that in the league kansas city too what's the biggest difference and i'm not talking about play but what's the biggest difference because you played with patrick mahomes for a number of years you only played one year with joe burrow what is the biggest difference in the style of like leadership what they're like in the huddle what they're like in the locker room yeah what is the biggest difference that you can share with us between those two guys yeah um man pat mahomes is like a michael jordan-esque approach you know where hey if you're not on if you're not singular focus hey if you if you're not on 10 yeah hey he he on your ass straight up if if mahomes has that
Starting point is 00:47:19 michael jordan-esque type approach then what would Joe be in comparison to? Larry Bird? Larry? Okay. Okay. Okay. I feel like, you know, the thing about Pat, man, is he always did a tremendous job. And just like Joe, really any of the top quarterbacks getting the most out of their guys.
Starting point is 00:47:38 I think John Elway, you know what I mean? He going to get the most out of his guys. He going to relate to everybody in the locker room. You know, he mixed, so that helps a lot. Yes. And, you know, I think that's one thing to me that always stood out about Pat, too, was his work ethic, man. He's such a hard worker. His attention to detail was crazy.
Starting point is 00:47:52 How involved he is with that organization, how involved he is with the game plans on the weekly, the daily focus. It's special. And then I take you to my man Joe Shiesty. Joe Shiesty got it figured out. Joe Shiesty is different. And I think the thing that he's really mastered is timing.
Starting point is 00:48:10 And he's so emotional, but you would never know that just seeing him. You know what I'm saying? You would never know that listening to his interviews or seeing him talk, but he's so emotional. He's hitting his helmet after scrambling for a first down on third down. You know, I remember we lost to the Titans. Zach didn't even have to bring us up. It's Joe Burrow. You know what I mean? Letting the Titans. Zach didn't even have to bring us up. It's Joe Burrow.
Starting point is 00:48:25 You know what I mean? Letting the team know that, hey, this is what we got to do. And spoke to the team before training camp and all those different things. Man, I admire that about Shiesty, man. It's just really his timing. Yeah. You already know. You was in Kansas City.
Starting point is 00:48:40 And obviously, Eric Bien-Aimé was the offensive coordinator. Why do you feel EB hasn't got a job as a head coach? Yeah, it's really unfortunate, man, because, you know, I hate to put it like this, but this is just the real. Oftentimes ownership, I think, ends up in a situation where they're looking for the guy that they can relate to. And they're looking for the guy that they feel comfortable with. And, you know, if you owned a business and you were hiring someone um in that prime of position you're looking for that as well and i think too often man eb has gotten caught in the wing of that and in terms of how he is as a coach his how is he as a coach an amazing coach but he's but he's old school you
Starting point is 00:49:20 know what i mean he gonna let you know that's one of the problems when you're wrong he gonna let you know you're wrong regardless of who you are absolutely he to let you know. That's one of the problems. When you're wrong, he going to let you know you're wrong, regardless of who you are. Absolutely. He going to let you know. I've seen him get into it with 15, 87. Coach Reed, you know what I mean? Wow. You know what I mean? So he the real deal, man.
Starting point is 00:49:35 And that's what I appreciated about him as a coach was, man, his focus. Like that attention to detail that he came with on a daily basis, the energy. Like that's, you know, I mean, I don't want to take too much credit away from players, but it was one of the things that kept the engine rolling. Yeah. See, that's one of the problems, though. Did you hear how you notice you notice you said that old school playing style? That's one of the reasons why I think personally that Bill Belichick doesn't have a head coaching job right now. You have these younger players, younger generation in that old school that old that old school style is not going to resonate with these young boys not at all they're going to shut down they're going to talk back you you know i'm trying to say and i think that's why the nfl owners are going more towards younger coaches yeah that are
Starting point is 00:50:19 players coaches and can relate to the younger generation a little bit better you also got to think too a lot of times with these coaches, some of their biggest fear is losing the quarterback guy, losing the QB coach, losing the offensive coordinator. So now what they're doing, they're going to hire that young QB mind, knowing and stirring that up for long term while going out and dealing with the rotation of a defensive coordinator or something like that. So, you know, it's weird how the game has gone.
Starting point is 00:50:44 But it seems to me, and I know E.B. a little bit. I'm a couple of years older than he is. But it seems like he's big on accountability. Huge. There's a level of expectation that he has for every player. And he wants you to come with that singular focus every single day to get better. And then come game time, I expect you to be where you're supposed to be, do what you're supposed to do.
Starting point is 00:51:02 And if you're not that, I'm going to be on you. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, the standard in Kansas City is so high. The standard is so high. We finish every play up front. We finish with a burst. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:51:16 Yes. And that's the standard as a Kansas City Chief. And so when you have that kind of standard mixed with an old school approach like Coach EB, you're going to get the most out of a lot of guys. Right. And that's why you see so many young men, I feel like, coming to there because of the structure. You know, how properly structured it is. It's, you know, it's somewhat different from college, but very similar in terms of the structure, man. But, I mean, EB was just, that's what he was.
Starting point is 00:51:41 When you talk about standard, right? Yo. And I think about the time I played with the Bengals 11 years, and there's been a huge shift in culture, a huge shift in discipline, and where even me as a fan now and even Bengal fans in Cincinnati, it's like no matter what happens, you already know you're going to be in contention every single season, no matter what, as long as nine is in place.
Starting point is 00:52:03 What do you think is the reason for that shift in culture? Yeah, it starts to a front. I mean, in the front office. And when you have a front office that is bringing in the right guys, that is going out and finding the Joe Burrow personalities, finding the T. Higgins, the Jamar Chases, you know, all those type of things are so important. And it starts with ownership in front office, trickle-a's on down to coaches,
Starting point is 00:52:29 the standard that Zach sets, how he is. And then on top of that, the players, man. It's on us as players, you know what I mean, to do our job at a high level week to week. What happened? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, you almost there. Hey, we do, hey. Yeah, you almost there now.
Starting point is 00:52:44 Hey, we almost there. Oh, big O, hey. You almost there now. Hey, we almost there. Oh, big O, we almost there. 999, 940. Yeah. 999, 940. Yeah. You follow? Ask you this question.
Starting point is 00:52:55 You watched, I'm sure you watched Chiefs and studied them. What was the biggest shift? Because you're talking about a team that was the most penalized offense. Their offensive line wasn't very good. They had Patrick Mahomes probably got sacked more than he had gotten sacked at any point in time. And then you see the 180 that happened in the playoffs. What do you think was the cause of that? Yeah, well, at times, man, I think, you know, sometimes as coaches,
Starting point is 00:53:17 it's easy to get caught up in last year and our identity. Last year's identity. You know what I mean? As an offensive play caller. And so I imagine. New left tackle, new right tackle. It's identity. You know what I mean? As an offensive play caller. And so I imagine like... New left tackle, new right tackle. It's chemistry.
Starting point is 00:53:27 Because playing with Pat Mahomes, I had to learn to have an understanding for the feel of the game. I had to understand that he's taking this deep drop because of the way
Starting point is 00:53:36 that he sees coverage. Right. 990. Oh! Oh, Joe! Oh, Joe! Oh, shit. Talk about it. We got to talk the other one, the other one. There's some champagne Oh Let's go, Ocho! Hey, now. How Ocho?
Starting point is 00:54:06 How Ocho? You want to do it with your arm now? Hit me better? I appreciate y'all. Oh, yeah! Ocho, come here. You just want to hold? Oh, shit.
Starting point is 00:54:17 Oh, hey, man. Me? Yeah! Yeah. Man, thank you so much. Oh, my goodness. Guys, you don't even really know how much this means to us. When Ocho and I put this thing together, when I called Doug, he was his agent, and I said, Doug, I got this idea.
Starting point is 00:54:34 Get your mic. I said, Doug, I got this idea. I called his agent. I said, Doug, I got an idea for a show. Me and Jamie Horowitz. Jamie's rolling right here somewhere. And we met with Doug and Ocho. I said, Ocho,
Starting point is 00:54:47 I got this idea. He said, I don't even want to hear no more about it. I'm with you, huh? I said, let me tell you the idea. He said, no, we good. And so this thing has taken off and been better than we ever, ever imagined. And it's because of you. Yeah, Ocho and I, we tell stories.
Starting point is 00:55:04 Yeah, we played the game of football we played it at a high level but and yeah we tell very interesting stories I mean I probably told some stories I probably shouldn't have told I got a few more to tell too I'm sure I'm gonna tell something tonight but but it's because of you I mean look at you guys that showed up we want to thank you for showing up we want to thank all of you guys that's in the live chat. So we really, really appreciate it from the bottom of our hearts. Hey, listen. First off, success on the field, right? Look at that.
Starting point is 00:55:31 Look at that. Oh, yeah. Hey. Oh, we in the club, man. Yeah. I like it. Red tail. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:40 But listen, I think about success on the field. You know, Shannon was very successful. think about success on the field. You know, Shannon was very successful. I was okay on the field. But without the fans, which I consider the meat and potatoes of success, we would be nothing. So when it comes to us doing nightcap, I want you all to give yourself a round of applause, too, for helping us reach this milestone, please. I thank you I really thank you from the bottom of my heart Because obviously he tried to give me the idea And tell me what this was all about
Starting point is 00:56:10 I didn't want to hear it I didn't want to care I just wanted something to do I like to fucking talk I talk a lot So listen I had no idea it would come to this In such a short amount of time And I thank y'all
Starting point is 00:56:21 I fucking love you And I really appreciate you And this is just the beginning because we just started and we're only what? Three months? Three months in? We're four months.
Starting point is 00:56:28 We hit 1,000 subs in exactly four months. Four months. Man, that's dope, man. Thank y'all, man. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much. Appreciate it.
Starting point is 00:56:36 Special, man. That's special. No, no. I want to ask you this. Your dad, Orlando Sr., played for the Browns. Yep. And I remember hearing you talking. I mean, they had moved you for the Browns. Yep. And I remember hearing you talking.
Starting point is 00:56:46 I mean, they had moved you to playing right tackle. Yeah. You say, but my dad envisioned me being a great left tackle. Yep. You weren't complacent, and you are a great right tackle. Oh, yeah. But something in your soul, something in your psyche just didn't sit right. You said dad would be happy for me,
Starting point is 00:57:02 but he would be much more happy if I was on the left side doing what I'm doing. Why was that such a big deal for you to move to the left side from the right? Yeah, it's somewhat of a long story, but we got time. Yeah, we got time. So my dad was an undrafted, he was a rookie minicamp invitee. Right. And he ended up getting to invite the otas and mini camp and the training camp and bill belichick puts him on ir as a rookie yes and he's hiding him and my dad's the bully guy
Starting point is 00:57:31 so he's coming from south carolina state at hbcu yep you know he's he's he's got a roof and so he he had to come in from the bottom and scratch and claw his way to the top right you know while also seeing guys like jonathan ogden be drafted in the first round. Seeing guys like Orlando Pace play really well at a high level. Walter Jones. And so growing up, he always emphasized to me, always spoke to me, be a better man than I
Starting point is 00:57:56 am in every way, shape, form, and fashion. And don't strive to beat me. Set higher standards for yourself. Go get Walter Jones. Go get Jonathan Ogden. Go see, go attain what they attain. And so, man, it's crazy, man. I get goosebumps when I think about it. A little emotional. But when I was in Baltimore, it was so hard for me to leave that situation because that was home for me. That know, that was the organization that, you know, gave my family the opportunity,
Starting point is 00:58:27 gave me the opportunity, man. Oh, what's that? That's tough. That's tough, man. But gave me the opportunity, you know, to be an offensive tackle in this league. Right. And, you know, taking you through the story and the transition, one of the first things that we talked about in my exit meeting as a rookie was, hey, we don't know they're playing
Starting point is 00:58:48 a left tackle. We know we have Ronnie Stanley, but we see you fit as a left tackle here as well in the future. And it's a business. I take everything with a grain of salt. You know what I mean? Right. But that was spoken about. Right. And so, you know, in due time, Ronnie Stanley has a unanimous all pro year. I mean, lockdown, flawless, flawless, flawless fifth year. And they extend him. The following year, he goes out there. He breaks his leg. I get the opportunity to be a left tackle.
Starting point is 00:59:17 My mentor is in the crowd. I remember talking to him and, you know, something he said to me was, was you know your dad really would want you to maximize on this opportunity yes and he would really want you to chase your dreams and aspirations and in baltimore i would have orlando brown jr day at my elementary school because i'm from there and they pull out a card from when i was seven years old um and the note card says where will you be 20 years from now and i said i'll be or 18 years from now? And I said I'll be, or 18 years from now, I said I'll be the starting left tackle for the Baltimore Ravens. And, you know, that for me in itself was such a feat, man.
Starting point is 00:59:52 It was so hard to leave that situation. But, you know, I had to do what I had to do because, man, for me, it was bigger than that. And the Baltimore Ravens organization, talking on the phone with the owner Steve Bishotti, Eric DaCosta, Ozzie Newsome, Coach Harbaugh, they all understood that, man. And I can't believe they sent me to Kansas City. I couldn't believe it, but the owner, Steve Bishotti, was like, man, you deserve this. You know, I don't want to see you nowhere in NFC North.
Starting point is 01:00:18 I don't want to see you in a shit situation. I want to see you. I want to see you in the right place, man. So forever indebted, you know what I mean, to that organization. Thanks for stopping by, OB. Orlando Brown Jr., ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:00:32 Appreciate you. Appreciate it. I'm going to see you. Yes, sir. We going to strip club tonight? No, no, no, no. Not me. Not me.
Starting point is 01:00:40 Money is in pocket. Appreciate that, though. I'm ready to get drunk, man. Fuck that. Ojo, you ready? Hey, let's go get this shot in, Ojo.'m ready to get drunk, man. Fuck that. Ocho, you ready? Hey, let's go get this shot in, Ocho. Let's go get this shot in, Ocho. Mr. That Cognac.
Starting point is 01:00:52 Yeah. Just pull something. Ocho. Ocho, it's a sip drink. Don't take it to the head now. Oh, trust me. I'm not. Hey.
Starting point is 01:01:06 Come on. I'm celebrating with you. You celebrate too? Oh, Joe. That shit strong, baby. Boy, it's up, yeah. But see, that's what you do. You smell those marshmallows, do you smell that? Ooh, that scent. Yeah, it see that's what you do. You smell those marshmallows, do you smell that? That scent.
Starting point is 01:01:28 Yeah, it's strong. Yeah, no, no, no, but see, that's the thing. Let's do it. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shock, shock, shock, shock, shock, shock, shock, shock, shock, shock, shock, shock, shock, shock. Is that what I'm talking about, Ocho? Yeah. Rell, you in trouble tonight, Rell.
Starting point is 01:01:53 I'm sorry. That's it? Yeah, we gonna sip throughout. We gonna sip throughout. Hey, it burned my arm. You good, bro. Ocho, can you believe this, Ocho? out. We're going to sip throughout them. Ocho, can you believe this, Ocho? Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. In four months,
Starting point is 01:02:13 four months to the day, we started this YouTube channel on October the 8th, 2023. And here we are. That's crazy. And a lot of it is trickled over. I mean, guys, before Nightcap, I'm sure a lot of you guys have supported me with Club Shea Shea. And you rock with me.
Starting point is 01:02:30 I mean, we started out Club Shea Shea. We had like 50 subs, and then we had 1,000 subs, and then we had 2,000 subs, and then we had 10,000, 50,000. And my producer, CJ, is floating around here somewhere. And he said, just give it time. Just keep it. We keep doing great content. People will appreciate it. Yeah. And they'll subscribe. And guys, I try to give you the best. I try to give you people that I would want to hear, that I would want to listen to. And I would want to hear what they have to say. Yeah. And I would want to hear their stories. And and look, I've had some of the greats.
Starting point is 01:03:05 Steve Harvey has graced me. Obviously, the Cat Williams has gotten a lot of pub. Cat was great. We're running Monique right now. I don't know if you've seen Monique. That was great. She's unbelievable. And so I want to thank all my guests that's come on and helped Club Shea Shea grow.
Starting point is 01:03:23 And guys, the way you've helped us grow Nightcap. Big time. Big time. Thank you. Man, I can't believe it. Thank you. Can you believe how fast and how big we've gotten so quick? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:33 I didn't think it was possible. You know, people had to explain to me. Obviously, I don't know. I didn't know anything about YouTube. Yeah. People had to explain to me. My daughter had to explain it. Real had to explain it.
Starting point is 01:03:43 How fast and how much it meant to get this many subscribers in such a short amount of time. Right. It's dope. This is dope. Again, thank you, man. Can y'all give yourself a round of applause one more time, please? Thank you. Thank you.
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