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Episode Date: January 2, 2025

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Ohio State Buckeyes totally take apart the number one team in the country, Oregon Ducks, by the score of 41 to 21. And even though it was a 20-point lead win, the game really wasn't that close. If you watched that game, that was total. I don't know if I've seen the number one team in the country get beat this bad, Ocho, in a very, very,

very, very long time. Yeah, and listen, I just have to say one thing. I want you to look at all the teams that had a bye week. They had a bye. I talked about the Kansas City Chiefs having a bye, you know, before they play their first game and having so much time off.

Now look what happened to the teams. Look what happened to the board. Look what happened to the world. But you have to understand, Ocho, the NFL, they've been granted buys. College don't normally get that. So this is very unique to them. But we'll see how this thing plays out. Thank you guys for watching us again.

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social bios. Before we get started, Ocho, obviously what has transpired, the, the sugar bowl between the Georgia Bulldogs and the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame was postponed and senseless act of terrorism. And so before we get into the show,

we want to have a moment of silence for those that were impacted and all the New Orleans, New Orleanians that was impacted, the family, friends and loved ones of this senseless and tragic. So we want to take a few moments to pause to heartfelt condolences

to those that were impacted by this. I know sometimes it's really hard for you to try to wrap your mind around something that's so senseless. I would encourage you to be vigilant, but not be afraid. Go about your normal life because that's what terrorist cowards try to do. They try to put you believe that sits high and looks low. He's the King of Kings. He's the Lord of Lords. He's the Alpha and the Omega. He's the omnipotent one. And I know right now it's hard to understand, but I encourage God to give us all strength and understanding that what transpired today to start 2025, someone wanted their moment, and they took the coward's way to do just that. To all those that's impacted, all people that lost loved ones,

that lost family, that lost friends, the nightcap crew, along with many others, sends our heartfelt thoughts and prayers. We pray that you gain comfort. We pray that you have understanding and time. And only when you're ready, hopefully you find peace and solace in this. Ocho, my heart breaks. I can only imagine receiving the news that some people received that this had happened. But I do understand, but I do, I do, I do sincerely in all my heart believe. There is a higher power and a higher being, and we don't understand everything is not meant for us here to understand, but I do believe sunshine follows rain. And it's really dark right now for a lot of people in New Orleans and for the city of New Orleans, because I know you're mourning. I know you're hurting, but just know

you're strong and think about what you've already overcome from Katrina and a lot of other things that have happened in that city. You're built for this. We're built for this. And like all things, we'll get through this. Oh, Cho, the game that you just watched, the Ohio State Buckeyes took apart the number one team in the country, the Oregon Ducks, 41-21 in the Rose Bowl. Oregon, excuse me, Ohio State gets their revenge. It was one of their two losses on the season.

They lost earlier in the year to Oregon in Oregon. But tonight, they were really no match. Jeremiah Smith set the stage early. He had seven catches a buck, 87 and two touchdowns. But this was really a mismatch from the word jump. And I think this is what's so frustrating about Ohio State because you see what they can

be. Now, this is the team that took away, took apart the number one team in the country by 20, by three touchdowns and lost on their own home field by a team that they were favored by three touchdowns. That's what's frustrating about them. And I think that's what, but Ryan Day, give him credit.

We've been very critical of him. Not critical. We were critical of the game that he lost. Losing to Ohio, losing to Michigan year in and year out. Having that level of talent that you have. Think about the quarterbacks that they've had. Think about the wide receivers. Think about the D linemen.

Think about the DBs from the Denzel Ward and the Jeff Okuda and all those guys that's come out of there. And you ain't got no national championship to show for. All those receivers, Marvin Harrison Jr., Jackson Smith and Jigba. You got Chris Olave. You got Garrett Wilson. Look at those D linemen from Chase Young to Nick Bosa. Look at those quarterbacks.

Justin Fields, and you have, rest his soul, what's the guy that lost his life tragically? Dwayne Haskins. Dwayne Haskins. You had the other quarterback. And so you can understand why people are like, hold on, come on, Coach Dave. You got this level of talent?

They had a top, what, top six, top seven pick last year, the offensive tackle position. They're like, Coach Dave, you got this level of talent they had a top what top six top seven pick last year the offensive tackle position they're like hey you got this level of talent and you losing to michigan and you ain't got no national championship but all will be forgiven if he takes this thing and and and and finish it out but ohio state looked good today oh joe they ran the ball well they threw the ball well they stopped mich i mean that high power stopped Michigan. I mean, that high-powered offense of Oregon, it looked very pedestrian, very mundane today. It did.

Listen, I don't know. Maybe I could be wrong, but I think the week off, I think it did more harm than good for them to be as flat as they look today, as well as Oregon has played all season long, being the number one team in the country, and the way they showed up today that had to be a little bit of rust.

And not only was it a little bit of rust, but it was too late and there was no room for the rust when you're playing somebody like Ohio State who had a point to prove after losing the first time they met early in the season. And that's exactly what they got. Jeremiah Smith, he said ahead of time that if you play one-on-one, hey, if you play one-on-one

you're not going to be able to cover me. He went out there and did exactly what he was supposed to do and handled his business the funny thing about it people don't people right now are talking about jeremiah smith and how great he is and how good he is and he's probably right now even as a freshman probably the number one receiver in the country right now as a freshman oh i've been watching young bull at chaminade down in miami you know for a few years he'd been like that in little league he was like that at ohio he is like that when he gets drafted into the nfl he's still gonna be like that he's been like that for a long time outside of that man ohio state looked very very well again hoping coach ryan day can finish the task at hand. And for all the great players that have come through Ohio State, they can hoist that trophy

at the end of the day. Yeah. Oh, CJ Stroud was a quarterback. You have CJ Stroud, no national championship. Justin Fields, no national championship. Dwayne Haskins, no national championship. That's three Haskins, no national championship. That's three quarterbacks taken in the first round. Now, Olave, first-round pick. Gary Wilson, first-round pick. Jackson Smith and Jigba, first-round pick. Marvin Harrison Jr., first-round pick.

Chase Young, the number two pick. Nick Bosa, the number two pick. Jeff Okuda, Denzel Ward. Come on now, Ocho. Come on, Ocho. I mean, people, hey, they make it seem like we just making stuff up. You got that level of talent year in and year out and you ain't won no national championship?

And people like, oh, they're being too hard. Bro, and you lose it to Michigan? I don't think, I personally don't think that's a stretch when you got that level of talent that's coming out year in and year out and you're underachieving.

There's no other way around it, Ocho. Coach Day, you did a phenomenal job of having this team prepared and from the word jump. I have a question, is it considered underachieving the fact that you've had all these quality players year in and year out? Is it still unachieving simply because you haven't won

a national championship but the season yes the season yes i'm just asking i'm just asking think about it you got offensive player of the year offensive player of the year offensive player think about you got quarterbacks yes cj stroud justin fields and you had Dwayne Haskins in succession. Yes, sir. You had Jackson Smith and Jig, but you had Garrett Wilson. You had Olave. You had Marvin Harrison Jr. in succession. And a lot of those guys played together.

Yeah. You had Chase Young. You had Nick Bosa. Jeff Okuda. Denzel Ward. Come on, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah bro yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah bro that's 10 first round picks right there yeah and I said the same thing about coach Saban coach Saban said that

the fans in in Ohio State are psychotic I asked coach Saban this if you had consistently lost to Auburn and you got Julio, and you got Calvin Ridley, and you got Judy, and you got Ruggs, and you got Waddle, and you got Devontae Smith, and you got Amari Cooper, and you got those quarterbacks, you got Tua, you got Bryce Young. Bryce Young. You got, what's the guy that went to New England?

Matt Jones. Matt Jones. Matt Jones. Not Jay, Matt Jones. Matt Jones. Okay, you got him. Now you got, and plus you got, what's the guy? Derrick Henry. And you got Najee Harris. You got Damian Harris.

Come on, bro. And I ain't even talking about the defense. I ain't even talking about what they got over there. And you don't win no national championship. That's right. Even after a couple of years of Coach Saban, and Alabama fans, y'all know this. Even after a couple of years of Coach Saban, and Alabama fans, y'all know this. Even after a couple of years of not winning the national championship,

after he had done one four or five, they say Coach Saban lost his fastball. That man had got four or five national championships, and they're saying that with the talent. Right. You got Quentin Williams, and you got Allen, and you got all those guys. See, man, you better.

Hey, you better. Hey, when you have that level of talent, Ochoa. I mean, think about Alabama, the level of talent that they put out every single year. Right. Ohio State ain't far behind. The only difference is Alabama has won in the last 15 years, has won six national championships, played for another three. That's the difference between them and Ohio State. And you know what I would love to hear, especially in the chat, and probably people that are going to watch this after the fact and hear us talk about this,

and saying that Ohio State is underachieved based on the level of talent that they've had in succession there without winning the National Championship. I'm curious to hear rebuttals and with the, not excuses, but the reason behind why they haven't won will be. And, you know, people always find a way they come up with something. I don't want to call them excuses, but there are valid reasons depending on what they may be. But whatever reason, I'm curious to hear what they have to say. And Ohio State also had Joe Burrow. He transferred burrow he transferred leave he transferred with the lsu yeah you had jameson williams hey i wonder how do they how do they let stuff like that happen

you know how does how does auburn how does florida let let uh cam newton how does how does ohio state let a joe burrow get away do they not see the level of talent at that time or is the fact that they don't have... but you got to be able to beat the guy that's in front of you out, Ocho. What do you mean? Who was it Joe Burrow

couldn't beat out at Ohio State? J.T. Barrett. Sometimes it happens. Who was that? Was it Derek? Was it David Carr that couldn't beat out

Billy Bowling at Fresno State? I think it was Derek. I think David that couldn't beat out Billy Bolick at Fresno State? I think it was David Carr couldn't beat out Billy Bolick. Billy Bolick was like a fifth or sixth runner. David Carr was the first pick of the trail. So maybe I'm confused. Did they have the issue of beating these individuals out? Or these players had...

I don't want to play politics. Seniority? Huh? Seniority? That's what I, yes. Seniority. I don't want to play politics. I don't want to. Seniority? Huh? Seniority? That's what I, yes, seniority. Because Adrian Peterson said he didn't go to Texas, even though he's from, I think he's from Palestine,

is because they had a guy and Mack Brown says, you won't play a whole lot this year because we believe that the guy that's in front of the senior, he deserves to play. See what I mean? Oklahoma said, we're going to let you play. Okay, that's probably... But it worked out well.

Jamison Williams, he left. Well, Abelave, you got Jackson Smith and Jigba, you got Gary Wilson. Okay. J-Mo, J-Mo was at Ohio State too? He absolutely was. Okay. J-Mo, J-Mo was at Ohio State too? He absolutely was.

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Sometimes a change of scenery... There's only one ball to go around so I kind of understand that sometimes you know a change of scenery is good yes sir

the Ohio State look good tonight I mean they ran I mean the guy hit his head I mean they just like okay we're tired of throwing it

maybe they're preparing for the pass let's just hand it off. They hand the ball off and the guy goes 64, 65 yards. No, 66, 66. How do you go 60 on a handoff? You hit the hole, you hit the sideline, and nobody touched you. Touched you, no.

And the players in the secondary taking the angle, I don't know what kind of angle they took. Yeah, I don't know what he took. The first guy that missed him because the other guys were so far out of position they weren't going to catch him. Once he hit that sideline, he... It was a wrap. Yeah, but

Will Howard, 17 of 26, 319, three touchdowns, zero interceptions. Ohio State running attack, 31 rushes, 181 yards, two touchdowns. Okay, I hit them killers back there. I hit them killers.

Well, that's outside, though. I think that was a car. Henderson, eight carries for 94 yards, two touchdowns, longer 66. Judkins, 17 carries, 85 yards. But they did whatever they wanted to do. And they were all over Dylan Gabriel. Eight sacks tonight. Ocho, check this out. They had

28 rushes for minus 23 yards. Let me repeat that. 28 rushes for minus 23 yards. Now, a lot of that, Ocho, came on sack yards college. They still take the sack yards. They take it from your yards. Now, a lot of that Ocho came on sack yards college. They still take the sack yards. They take it from your rush.

Yes, sir. So Dylan Gabriel carried the ball 12 times for minus 43 yards. So therein lies why the minus 23. But he was 29 of 41 for 299, two touchdowns. But give Ohio State credit. They rushed three. They got pressure. They rushed four they got pressure it didn't matter what they did they could do whatever they wanted to do and they took them apart they were they were clearly the better team now all the

teams that i've seen played thus far yeah they look the best ohio state looked the best the best the best college football team that we've seen in the college football playoffs thus far was Ohio State. What Ohio State did tonight. Now, next week might be something entirely different, Ocho. Georgia or Notre Dame might come out tomorrow. I think the game is still scheduled for tomorrow, right? Okay. Notre Dame might come out here and blow us away.

Georgia might come out here and blow us away Georgia might come out here and blow us away but the best team that we've seen thus far top to bottom is the Ohio State Buckeyes tonight I wonder what the difference is

though I wonder I mean looking at the game you have a week to prepare you've already played them once you beat them once so I wonder what the difference was

what did Oregon do wrong that they didn't do the first time they played? Didn't Oregon get a couple of special teams touchdowns the first time they played? I think something had to go really well, but to their credit,

Oregon did have like 500 yards of total offense the first time. But, Ocho, you're at home. You know you play better at home than you do on the first time. But, Ocho, you're at home. You know you play better at home than you do on the road, especially college kids. Now, you got to realize you're dealing with 18, 19, 20-year-olds. These aren't professionals. Well, they are somewhat.

Some of them are professionals. Well, they get paid like professionals. Let's do that. Let's say that. And so, yeah, I mean, 14 points in the first quarter. They got 20 points in the second quarter. That was 34. Oregon scored right before the half. Went for two. Got it. Made it 34 to eight. But the game really wasn't that close. Let's be let's be realistic. The game really wasn't that close. If you watched it, I don't think anybody thought once that game got the 20, got that game, got the 21 or nothing.

I don't think anybody thought, man, Oregon will come back. I don't think anybody thought once that game got to 21 or nothing, I don't think anybody thought man, Oregon going to come back. I don't think anybody thought that. Not even Oregon fans. Not even Phil Knight. And he might be the most diehard Duck fan. He knew it was over.

Will Howard seemed to be finding his stride. 319 yards, three touchdowns howard's second straight game with 300 plus passing yard and his third this season and freshman wide receiver jeremiah smith had a career day seven catches 187 yards and two scores look ohio state has had some receivers it started with chris carter and you know you come on down um there's a lot of them there's a lot of them uh uh david boston uh you know they've had you know obviously this this run of receivers you had michael thomas they've had some receivers but this kid as big as he is and the way he could move because most most guys, Michael Thomas was big. He went fast like this kid.

Even CeCe couldn't run like this kid. Those other guys are on the smallish side now. I think Olave and Gary Wilson, but they're not. This kid's like 215 pounds. They're a little bit more wiry. They're a little bit angular. I mean no disrespect, right?

Chat, y'all stay with me now. I've been watching Jeremiah Smith since high school he was at Chaminade right so my comparison even at the collegiate level even as a freshman now I know my eyes my eyes ain't filled me I got 22 in the vision I got if I was in the Marines I'd be a sniper that's the kind of vision I got

Jeremiah Smith comparison right now to me is no different than Julio Jones when he was at Alabama. Yeah, I agree with that. That's him. That is him. There's no weakness in this game. Man to man, bumper run, zone coverage, going deep, intermediate short,

hit your head off the goal post or anything. That's everything. He's well-rounded and does everything very well. Everything. He does. When I compare Julio Jones, which some people might be, oh, that's disrespectful, slow down a little bit.

You know, he's young. He's only a freshman. I'm telling you, he's only going to get better. He's only going to improve. He's only going to get faster, stronger, get a better understanding of the game. Ooh, trust me, that's his comparison. And he will be the number one pick in the draft,

unless there's a quarterback that comes out of nowhere and just blows us all away. Jeremiah Smith will be the number one pick in the draft. I'm not sure. What year would that be? He's got two more years. He's a freshman. Now, I think he's 19, but it all depends.

See, he can't come out until he's 21 because his class, he's a freshman. Now, he had been redshirted. You know, hey, he can come out next year because his class would have graduated. But you can't come out until the class that you come in graduates. So that's going to put him two more years. But guess what? He good. He'd be making two, three million dollars a year.

It ain't like the old days when you stayed in school. Maybe you got a challenger or a charger or you got a free meal here and there. In that bag, huh? He got now, they're making $800 million a year. Yeah. NIL deals.

When you saw what the college kid that's going to Michigan got, he got $12.5 million. The quarterback? Yeah. He got $12. half million. The quarterback. Yeah. He got 12 and a half million. And he got some, and he got something else.

Oh, and he get to, uh, uh, uh, tutored by Tom Brady. Yeah. Uh,

Hey, is it, is, have you seen footage of film on him? Is he really like that? He liked that. He liked that. Yeah.

Now put it like this. He was like that in high school. There were a lot of kids that were like that in high school, but they liked that in college. Adrian Peterson was like that in high school and in college. You look at him like, damn. Derrick Henry was like that at every level. Adrian Peterson was like that at every level.

ED was like that at every level. Some guys E.D. Like that at every level. Some guys, it doesn't matter. Randy. Jerry. Even though Jerry went to Mississippi Valley, people are like, oh, he only doing that. Because look where he's doing it. Okay.

They said the same thing about Walter Payton. Right. He ain't doing that against Jack. Okay. He's the all-time lead rusher. Yeah. Jerry's the all-time lead russian yeah jay is the all-time lead receiver so uh yeah it was uh it was that was a game ohio state they they put it on them uh oregon gotta go back to the drawing board

boy yeah texas now this is the type of game that i like to watch this was a good game listen i don't know i don't even game. Listen, I don't know. I don't even know what the tickets. I don't know what the ticket prices were. I don't care if they were nosebleed. I don't care if you were sitting at the 50 yard line. This was, this is what you call a game that's worth this money. I don't care how much it costs.

Yes. I don't care how much it costs. This is how football should be week in and week out. The Texas Longhorns beat the Arizona State Sun Devils in an OT thriller a double OT thriller the number 5 Texas squandered a 16 point lead in the 4th quarter

missed 2 field goals in the final 2 minutes of regulation and still somehow managed to escape with a 39-31 double overtime win over the number 4 seed Arizona State in the Peach Bowl the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl. Yeah. Ocho, I know, sorry, as I just texted him, congratulations.

We're going to try to get him on here one of these next couple of days so maybe we can get him on there. They're flying back now, so. Or we would have had his ass over here tonight. But, man, this was a game. Ocho, this is how it's supposed to be. Ain't nobody trying to see no double digit. Everybody winning by double digit.

Listen, I thought it was, listen, the way it started out, I thought Arizona State was going to get blowed out now. Hey. What was it, 14-3? 14-3. Yeah, but they jumped out on top of them boys' head. I'm like, oh, man, I'm going to turn the channel. I'm going to turn the channel. And then,

obviously, things started to change. Things started to move. And I don't know what's wrong with college kickers. Hell, I don't even know what's wrong with NFL kickers. You have one job. You do one thing the entirety day of practice. You kick the job. You do one thing the entirety day of practice. You kick the ball. That's it. Texas kicker

almost cost them, almost cost them. They missed two key field goals that could have sealed the win. Now, they did win the game, but ain't no telling what could have happened. Ain't no telling what could have happened. That goddamn Cam, how you say, young boy last name

on the state scatterbow scat scat boo cat mo is it scatterboo because they were they were saying scatterboo they say scat boat i mean i'm confused i mean you know what i'm gonna call him i'm gonna call him scat pack'm going to call him? I'm going to call him Scat Pack. I'm going to call him Cam Scat Pack. Okay. Hey, he nice, boy. Where you at? He's a senior, too. He coming out, huh?

Scataboo. Cam Scataboo. Okay, Cam Scat Back Scataboo. I know you're probably going to see this. I know you're probably watching the show. Listen, if you don't see it, I know my son going to let you know. Boy, you're the real deal, boy. You hear me?

He'll see you, huh? Yeah, I think so. He'll see you. Yeah. You know where you belong? You belong. He run the ball like he belong. He's supposed to play for the Ravens or the Browns.

Yeah. He's supposed to play for the Ravens or the Browns. He's going to be a rarity. He's going to be a white running back. We don't see him. They don't come along very often. But when they come along, Ocho. Hey, you know who he's going to be like?

I'm going to give you a good name right here. Tell me if you remember this. Peyton Hillis. Yeah, yeah. The little Peyton Hillis. Don't give up. Run hard. If he get in the way, he can shake you a little bit.

He got a little move to him now. Well, you remember Hillis was in that backfield with Darren McFadden and the other kid that went to the Cowboys. Yeah. What's the other guy's name? I mean, they were doing it. You remember Fadden and what's his – I can't think of the guy's name. What's the guy's name what's what's the guy's name guy

i know y'all uh people talking about toby gerhardt uh the old uh cardinal stanford cardinal what's uh he was uh uh at arkansas felix jones you remember felix i remember felix jones yeah at Arkansas. Felix Jones. You remember Felix Jones? Oh, I remember Felix Jones. Yeah. Yes. All of it was in the backfield. Yeah. Yes.

Yes. But this is where the game's supposed to be. Quinn, you were 20 or 30, 3-30, 3-22, three touchdowns, one interceptions. They didn't run the ball

particularly well. 30 carries, 53 yards. Golden had a big catch. Sam for a buck 49. Helm had three for 56. And Ocho. Yeah. I think Arizona State is going to be kicking themselves.

I think they kind of let this one go. You can't let that guy get over your head in that situation, Ocho. No. That touchdown, that first touchdown in OT. Yeah. Ocho, you can't let it. You can't let that guy get over your head in that situation, Ocho. That touchdown, that first touchdown in OT? Yeah. Ocho, you can't let it. You can't. You just can't. That should have been the number one rule from the coach.

Keep everything in front of you. The number one rule, Ocho. The number one rule, late in the ball game. Nothing cheap, nothing deep. Yeah. Nothing cheap, nothing deep. Yeah. Nothing cheap, nothing deep. Yeah. I don't care if he catches a 15-yard

right in front of me. It's when you try to be the hero and get you a cheap pick that gets you in trouble. Yep. Ain't no way. Safety, you last line of defense. If he's even with you, you're wrong. It's a wrap.

It's a wrap. Hey, hey ocho it was four down what the 13 ocho you cannot give that up you can't oh my heels on the gold line i'm thinking as a matter of fact i think they throw the hairberry oh i'm on the gold line My heels on the gold line Knock it down Knock it down You know You're not getting paid

I'm not even Keeping no cheap tub Yeah man Yeah I I don't wanna I don't even wanna blame the coaches I don't wanna blame coaching As a player

In that situation You gotta have Some type of awareness Some type of awareness And understanding Understand the situation That you're in And know you just You can't be You can't get beat situation you got to have some type of awareness some type of awareness and understanding understand the situation that you're in and know you just you can't be you can't get beat not in that situation at all and if anything if i am let him make a great play but let me be in position

yeah you're gonna make the play at least let me be in position and me he have to make a great play you know to catch that man i was like oh my goodness oh fourth and 13 you give up that uh but i think arizona state showed that they belong everybody was like well they didn't belong that week conference and they didn't do this and this team didn't do that they they gave Texas all they could handle. They definitely belong. And more. Ultra, when you watch Quinn Ewers, what you think? You know, it's hard to tell.

It's hard to tell at this level. Obviously, to me, if you have enough talent around you, enough players at this kind of level any quarterback can look good huh so what kind of quarterback

is Hewers is this type of quarterback that goes to the NFL and elevate the talent around him or is it kind of quarterback where he needs the talent

around him to be able to elevate I don't see him elevating anybody I really don't. And the mere fact that he's thinking about coming back lets you know. Right. Because normally guys Whoa, whoa, whoa. Come back where?

He's going to come back to Texas or he's going to transfer. I don't see him going to the league. He's not going to see the field before with Arch Manning. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, he's probably if he's going to come back, he's probably going to come back somewhere else. But I doubt it's Texas because he's not going to be Arch Manning out. I mean, I've been reading. I don't know. I mean, if he's going to come back, he's probably going to come back somewhere else. But I doubt it's Texas because he's not going to be Arsh Manning out. I mean, I've been reading.

I don't know if these reports are true, Ocho, but I've been reading that some team, some college team got $6 million in NIL money for him. Right. Okay. Okay. When I just watch him, I'm like'm like bro that ball that he threw that got picked I'm trying to figure out the low that he low

yes that hospital ball I don't know I still don't know where he was throwing it because the backside safety and the front side was there so I'm just trying to figure out what did you see what did you think you saw

I know what did happen on that play right there. They ran it in practice multiple times and in practice it was open. You know why it was open? You know why it was open? Tell the people at home

what they say. They tell the safety to do what? Jump to underneath so we can throw the ball over your damn head. That's exactly what he did. Anyway, instead of understanding and reading your coverage, you know,

and you just letting the ball go. And it's not open. Because that's what happens. What happens is, hey, you go draw the thing up, and then the guy circle. Okay, we want to throw the ball. Now, the guy that's running the scout team said, hey, safety, you drop the crossing route, and we're going to throw the post over your head. Boom.

Well, come game time, hey, can, you dropped the crossing route and we're going to throw the post over your head. Boom. Well, come game time, hey, can you drop this over route so we can throw the post behind your head? He's going to read it. Right. Duh, you should read it. But you see what happens, Ocho? When you make your mind up pre-snap that you're throwing the ball, that's what happens.

That's what happens. He had his mind made up i'm throwing this post no matter what bro ain't no way you'd hell you read that and said you know what i'm throwing this and then he throws it like a putt yeah that's got to be on the line but even if it was on the line first of all that was targeted too because the backside guy left his feet and hit the guy in the chest yeah but they didn't hey they didn't want to like nah we can't call that targeted blah blah blah because they returned the favor because by the letter of the law the texas guy targeted but they didn't want to impact the game in that way just as though no targeting but that was

absolute target yeah i mean it went he would help and help it yeah and the other guy left his feet he launched they say you can't launch yourself and hit the guy in the neck or the shoulder area. He launched. And they say you can't use your helmet, the crown of your helmet, to make a tackle. He went helmet to helmet with the guy. Yeah. But it's like, man, we can't impact this game like this here. We can't.

They pick and choose. They pick and choose when to call it. Absolutely right. You got to find some level of consistency when you're making these calls. Texas had 375 total yards. Arizona State had 510. Total rush yard, Texas had 53. Arizona State had 214.

Quinn Ewers was 20 of 30, 332, three touchdowns, one interception. Sam Levitt, 24 of 46, 222, three touchdowns, one interception. Sam Leavitt, 24 of 46, 222, no touchdowns, one interception. But that last interception, Muhammad made a great play. Give him credit. I mean, sometimes, Ocho, we keep blaming the quarterback, man, you threw that,

blah, blah, blah. But you know, the defensive guys, they steady film, too. He made a hell of a play. And he didn't settle for just trying to break it up. He hell of a play. Great play. And he didn't settle with just trying to break it up. He caught the ball. Mm-hmm. He caught it.

And it's okay, you know, I'm, you know, hey, 84, you got to make that play. Hey,

coach, you get paid too. You think, you think Bronco players the only way to make money in the NFL? Right, right.

And they studied for him and they got coaches too. Mm-hmm. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, hey, I understand. I'm supposed to make the play. But, you know, it's the NFL.

Everybody can make a play. I'm going to win more than I lose. But, hey, that guy made a hell of a play on that interception to seal this victory, Ocho. Yeah, he did. But you can't get beat on fourth and 13,th Ochoa over the top 4-2 you cannot you can't Ochoa you cannot at all

I was like bro I said are you serious that should have been the conversation had with the not just the head coach the defensive coordinator the DV coach the secondary coach the man defensive coordinator, the DB coach, the secondary coach, the man upstairs

in the booth, don't get beat deep. You can't. You can't. Nothing cheap, nothing deep. I am not. You will not complete this ball over my head. You're not.

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You don't get no tackle for that. You got to tackle him in the field of play or push your ass out of bounds in order for you to get a tackle. Once he in the end zone, guys, and it'll be Ocho, can guys do me a favor, college kid? If a guy get a first down, can y'all stop celebrating? What did you do? Hey, come on, huh? Wait a minute, man. If a guy get a first down, can y'all stop celebrating? What did you do? Hey, come on, huh? Wait a minute,

now. Come on, now. Oh, so the guy got a first down. He get a first down? When you get that first down, you got a... No, I'm talking about the defense. Oh, the defense. Oh, okay. You got a big hit on somebody. He got a first down. Oh, I thought you made a receiver. Okay, okay. No, no.

I'm like, bro. I'm like bro i'm like what maybe i missed something i said let me rewind this because i want to see what you did it's still a first down yeah now look look me college kids they're gonna celebrate that i don't mind them celebrating um and plus ocho if you make a tackle i mean as a defender what's your job make a tackle, I mean, as a defender, what's your job? Make a tackle? Yeah. You can't celebrate every tackle. I mean, if you get a sack, Ocho, I get it. Tackle for loss. Tackle for loss.

You get a sack, Ocho. A big key third down. You know, you want to do this. I get all that. But, bro, the guy get three, four yards and you jump up celebrating. Come on now. We doing way too much with this they had they having a good time out there man she scatter boo scatter boat 30 carries 143 yards two russian touchdowns, eight catches, 99 yards. Had that guy not pulled his face mask, he's going to drag his,

you know what, into the end zone. Ocho, Scatabow was so outstanding, he was named Peach Bowl offensive player of the game. Yeah. You don't see that very often. His name is Scatpack. Scatabow? Scatpack.

Scatabow. Scatpack. Well, Scatpack did something that you don't see very often. A guy winning offensive player of the game from a losing team. Yeah. Yeah. It's only happened, you know, Jerry West. Jerry West, the first year they gave out finals MVP in 1969,

Jerry West won the award on a losing squad. They lost the championship 4-3. The final game, they lost on their losing squad. They lost the championship 4-3, the final game they lost on their home court. Again, now you got to go back to the football. Chuck Howley, he won Super Bowl MVP on a losing squad. They lost 16-13 to the Colts. Chuck Howley was the MVP. That's the only time that I can remember

somebody from the losing squad winning an award. Yeah. Now I'm not saying that maybe it's happened. I don't know if in baseball, if somebody has won a, a, a world series MVP from the losing squad,

I don't, I have to go way back, but I don't, I don't remember it. That's what I don't think has happened in, in, in the last 25, 30 years,

but it just goes to show you just how outstanding that this gentleman was from the Sun Devils running and catching the football he was he was he be he be he belongs when you're able to perform like that against a team like that it lets you know you belong regardless of the conference you play in oh yeah but you can tell guys that

the talent shine above you can tell I mean he okay that's an SEC defense and he wouldn't got a book he wouldn't got a book 43 on him and he almost had 100 yards receiving so he had uh what 200 and what's that 242 yards of total offense hey man and two touchdowns against an sec defense look good when you when you go when you go play

and if you're at a small school locho if you play a upper level say you go to when you when you go when you go play and if you are a small school ojo if you play a upper level say you go to division two and you play fcs or you fcs you play d1 right the talent is shining through darius leonard when he played clemson he was at south carolina state he had 29 tackles oh he could play yeah i played georgia southern they were the they were the uh the one double a national championship the year we played them right i dropped 202 on him oh he could play yeah elon was the nia national championship the year before i dropped 221 on them oh damn he did that yeah and you know what this is this is another conversation that i always like to have where we're young players coming out of high school they're they're always so focused on

all their offers and where they're going and i i say it again if you really like that if you really like that and you and you feel you're as good as you think you are it really don't matter where you go right you can put up performances like that which you were able to do against better what you were able to do better talent or being like scat pack and coming out there and performing very well against i mean it's just you know what i think a lot of times when you cut on the tv and you see that that horsehoe pat or you see 108,000 at Texas A&M you see 100,000 at Georgia

you see 93,000 at Alabama you see 105,000 at Tennessee kids like I want to play in front of that that's all I mean I you know that's that's what I want that's what I wanted because that's what I saw on television I didn't see no HBCUs.

Right, but see, I understand what you're talking about. But then now we go into the issue of, okay, I want to go to these big schools where they have players that have been there before me, and I get there and they tell me, oh, I got to wait my turn. Or I might not trust the field as much because we have so-and-so and he has seniority over you. Not about, you know what, I'm coming in here to compete for the job, but you mean to tell me he asked seniority over me,

so he's probably going to play before me? Instead of let me have an opportunity to beat him out, regardless of what his grade level is. Junior, freshman. It don't matter. Oh, they had to play me, Ocho. You think Jeremiah Smith was going to go to Ohio State and have to sit behind somebody that's a senior or junior because

they've been there for what? Three or four years? Man, shit, man. Hey, you better get on the potter there because, hey, you know who's coming. Hey, they had to play me Ocho. Oh, what? You thought, oh. I was one of the few

freshmen that traveled. Right. I ain't just traveling. Oh, you can travel this week. Man, travel to do what? Stand on the sideline of my uniform? Oh, hell nah. Right. Mm-mm. Mm-mm.

And the first game we played, Ocho, our first home game. Yeah. Man, I was so embarrassed, Ocho. I caught a goal ball, Ocho. Right. 56 yards. Got tackled on the one. Oh, huh? My first catch

in college. Hold on, what you embarrassed for? Man, that's supposed to be a 57-yard touchdown, not a 56-yard catch. Well, why ain't Steve got to stiff you, man? You got to catch that thing and get that stiff arm back behind him. Ocho, it felt like I was running,

it felt to me like I was running in slow motion. I was like, damn, is somebody pulling the end zone away from me? Damn! Whoa, shit.

Hold on, man. They got the AC on in here. I'm tripping. You mean they, you. I mean, no, listen, when you come to a hotel,

right, and the hotel know you in a cold city, they should have all the rooms already set with the heat on. No. Well, see, if you had an assistant, the assistant would tell them Mr. Johnson, like his temperature, set at a certain temp. So when I get to my hotel room, the hotel is already at temperature of 68 degrees well how about if my if my assistant didn't decide to leave me that's been my assistant for the past five years didn't decide to motherfucking up and leave then maybe my goddamn heater would have been on when i got in this motherfucker

well i don't know if that she say she say first of all as long as you cursing she ain't coming back second of all she say she ain't no more for a sister. But you said you were looking for an assistant. Yeah, I was because I had to get a new one. I don't know. Well, the position will be your assistant. And she got her stuff to do. Oh, Joe. Oh, you knew what you signed up for.

When I when you try to holler at that. You didn't tell her that. I did. Listen, I gave her the paperwork. I gave her the paperwork. This is what I come with. Are you able to abide by these obligations that I need? I need help in my life. You paying for that? How much you pay for that?

Huh? Because I know what I pay my sister. Oh, she make about $150, $180 a year. How much you paying for that? How much you paying for that? Huh? Because I know what I pay my sister. Oh, she make about $150, $180 a year. Okay, that's good money. Yeah, that's exactly what I pay my sister. Yeah. Yeah.

A good money. But then, everything, you don't have to worry about nothing. Hey, you get into the car, the seat's already pulled all the way forward. You don't have to do none of that. Hey, Mr. Sharp like his bag, this bag, his duffel bag, he's like sitting next to him. Yes, all that, Ocho. Yeah, but you got to understand, I ain't had that for two months now. So now, I got to feel a position.

I don't got time to wait no more. It's the new year. It's 2025. I ain't got time to play. I ain't got time to wait no more. It's a new year. It's 2025. I ain't got time to play. I ain't got time. Real probably, I mean, with her busy schedule, she got a

Netflix show coming out. She got another show coming out. Hold on. Before all that came along, you knew what the obligations were when you signed up for this. No, did you relay that information to her? I did.

It was in the goddamn contract. Oh, okay. Ain't nobody tell you to sign the motherfucking dotted line if you want to finish the goddamn job. Shit. All right. Gwen Ewers has received a $6 million offer to enter the transfer portal

rather than heading to the NFL draft this spring, according to On3. Multiple Power 4 schools are working to get Ewers in the portal ahead of his final year of college eligibility. $6 million for one year, Ocho. Yeah, he got to come back. He has to come back and continue to work on his game because when you watch yours,

I need your play to pop out on the screen. I need it to pop out. When you watch the Joe Burrow in college, you watch the Sidney Stroud in college, when you watch other quarterbacks like the Cam Ward, they pop out. When you watch the Joe Burrow in college, you watch the Seednick Stroud in college. When you watch other quarterback like the Cam Ward, they pop out on screen. There's something special about those individuals. Special. So he needs to come back another year, no matter no matter where it is.

And, you know. Pop out. I agree with you. I agree with you, Ocho. I don't see special. I see a good college quarterback, but I don't see special. I don't see, man, a guy that's a, like, boy, if they get him, he's going to drastically change their fortunes. I don't see that. Now, let's see. I mean, he might come back and get better because nobody saw that. If you'd have asked teams that were going to look at Joe Burrow

before he came back for a senior year, Joe Burrow didn't seem special. But he came back for that year. He was special. Matt Jones. Hell, if Matt Jones don't come and get that one year, Matt Jones ain't no first-round pick. Right, right, right. Sometimes, look, and I don't blame people like, well, look, right, right. Sometimes, look, and I, hey, I don't blame people like,

well, look what, yes, okay. Now, can he make it happen? You're throwing to Devontae. You got Najee. You got Waddle. Right. You know, you got, hey,

you got a very, very talented team. It just goes to show you just how good he was because he kept Bryce Young on the bench. And we see Bryce Young the next year won the Heisman. Hey, and also look at the talent.

This is what I like about Bryce too. Now, we saw Bryce win the Heisman, but you look at the talent that Bryce had around him. Yeah, for sure. He got to Carolina. He thought something was wrong with him. Then he gets benched. He come back after getting benched, and I don't know what the hell happened.

I don't know what type of prayer he said. Now he's back to playing great football, looking like the Bryce Young we saw in college. Even in losing, even in losing efforts as a team and as a quarterback, he looks completely, totally different than he did when he first started. He did. He does. They just need to give him some talent. If you look at the quarterbacks that perform well, look at C.J. Stroud. Look at what he was throwing to Tank Dale and Nico Collins.

Look at what he was throwing to. Okay? Look at Caleb Williams. He got Roman Doomsley, first-round pick. He got D.Jj moore who just signed a contract extension he got keenan allen look at look at what uh uh uh daniels yeah jay look at what he's throwing to damn i mean y'all want the man to come out hey i don't care even peyton manning peyton manning had marvin harrison when he got there he had Marvin Harrison, he had Ken Dildred

and he had Marshall Falk and yes as a rookie, he had two first ballot hall of famers as a rookie Ken Dildred had been to Pro Bowls there's another, I forget the guy's name

oh my goodness, the other tight end as a matter of fact, the Colts had two tight ends to make the Pro Bowls. There's another. I forget the guy's name. Oh, my goodness. The other tight end. As a matter of fact, the Colts had two tight ends to make the Pro Bowl. Mark, what's his name? Go make a look at 90... Teddy, stop scratching the couch.

I can't think of the other brother. He was a... What's that dude's name? scratch him the couch. I can't think of the other brother. What's that dude's name? Because I traded helmets with Ken Dilger at the Pro Bowl one year. I'm trying to think what year was that? Hell, I don't even remember.

Pro Bowl tight end. No, no, no. In like the 90s. Yeah. Marcus Pollard. Thank you, Chad. Marcus Pollard. Marcus Pollard.

I remember Marcus Pollard. Hey, I ain't heard that name in a minute, man. Yeah. So, I mean, y'all want these guys to come out here and do spectacular spectacular things but go back and look at your favorite quarterback and see what they were throwing to y'all do realize that when my home became the starter y'all know who he was throwing to right he had tyreek he had sammy watkins he had travis kelsey yeah could i interest you in any of those guys two of those guys are going to the hall of fame ty Tyreek and Kelsey are going to go to the Hall of Fame. That's what he was throwing to.

Look at what Big Ben had to throw to. Oh, no. Look what he's always, always had to throw to. Thank you. Thank you. Hey, the Pittsburgh Steelers are just like Cincinnati when it comes to receivers. You know that? You notice that?

They always have good receivers come through that channel no matter what. are just like Cincinnati when it comes to receivers. You know that? You notice that? They always have good receivers come through that channel no matter what. Cincinnati and Pittsburgh, always. Yeah. They had Plax. They had Hines.

Once you got it, won the Super Bowl MVP. San Antonio Holmes. San Antonio Holmes. Yeah. I mean, bro, y'all make it seem like, I mean,

I mean, yeah, give Bryce Young those type of weapons and let's see. You got to give the guy something to work with. Marino, I think Marino, I think Dupre and Clayton got there with Marino. In 83.

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And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask Attorney General... I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane,

I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Penn State says it's resolved. They wanted to do everything they possibly could to make a long story short, Ocho. Penn State did not want Jenty to get that record on their watch. Jenty entered the game needing 131 yards of breaking the record,

of tying the record, 132 to break it. Barry had 26-29 set in 1988. Penn State defense stifled Jenty, holding him to a season-low 104 yards rushing. It's his first time not rushing for at least 125 yards in a game this season. He finished 28 yards shy of breaking Barry Sanders' record. Hey, listen, they were popping young bull out there, man.

Yes. They would let him have it. Now, I thought, honestly, I'm just going to be honest with you, I didn't think he was going to do well against Penn State because the level of competition he was playing at or with or against, for that matter, in his conference. But he looked pretty, pretty, pretty goddamn good. Yeah. He was breaking tackles. He ran hard, Ocho. Ran very hard. After contact, I'm not sure how many yards he had after contact.

Most of them. he was hard to bring down the first the first guy never made the tackle the first guy never brought him down uh but like i said oh joe you look you don't want that record and my thing was that i said this on first take i said look i know what aston gentry is let me tell you what i'm gonna do if that quarterback goes out there and throw for 350 and three touchdowns I'm going to go to the middle of the field shake his hand and say congratulations young man good luck moving forward but I refuse to let

Jenty run their ass to a victory that's not going to happen and they felt the quarterback couldn't beat them throwing the football and he couldn't because you know when you take that running game away because they wanted to give him the ball but i thought and the problem is they fell behind yeah you fall behind

ocho that game was about to get really out of hand had the quarterback allor he's doing the right thing by coming back because he's not very good i don't think in my eyes watching him play for the three or four games that i've seen him play. He is an average college quarterback. There's nothing special about him. Yeah. But if he doesn't fall with that ball and they're about to go up 21 to nothing, this thing about to get out of hand. Very ugly.

And now you really – and that's what happened. When you get ahead like that, guess what? You take him out of the running game. You had to – Now you got to pull it. you take him out of the running game. You had to go. But Gentry, he ran hard, but they give him state credit. They say, we don't want you to break that record on us.

And they did a great job of neutralizing him. Look, they need to go back and everybody that played in the bowl game, they need to add those yards to the total. You can do it. Right.

Just add Barry, what he did in the holiday bowl. Just go look it up. Barry had like 225 in the holiday bowl. Barry's record is really like 12 games, 2,800 yards, and like 40-plus touchdowns. Yeah. They didn't count the bowl. See, they didn't count the bowl games back then, Ocho, like they do now. Barrett had like 20 carries, and they took him out.

Barrett could have had another 300-yard game. They're talking about what they were letting take in Gentia. Go look at some of Barrett's games when they took him out. Barrett was having 300-yard games. That's crazy. Look at what he did to Oklahoma. Look at what he did to Nebraska, what he did to Missouri. Go back and look at Barrett's stats.

Even if GentT had to broke his record, the greatest college rushing season is Barry Sanders. I think it's one of the two best seasons in the history. Joe Burrow, that 5,060 touchdown season, and then Barry Sanders, 2,800 yards and

40-plus touchdowns. If y'all just go back and look at the numbers that Barry put up, and you'll get a better appreciation of Barry Sanders' college career. Yeah. And his sophomore year, he backed up Thurman

Thomas. Yeah. Barry didn't start. Thurman started. Barry ran back punts and kickoffs yeah that's let that sink

let that sink in many of you believe Barry is the greatest running back in NFL history and he had to sit started one year that's crazy that's it was what Joe Burrow did that season there That's crazy.

It was what Joe Burrow did that season there. You're probably not going to see it again because you're probably not going to be able to find two receivers like Chase and Jefferson. Yeah. And then when you combine Marshall and then you had the tight end or Randy Mosson, Thaddeus. Yeah. You had Clyde Edwards-Alaire. You had Joe Burrow throwing the ball. You had an offensive line that was the best in college football.

You got the perfect storm. Yeah. And you get the perfect storm. You saw it. I mean, the guy threw for 60 touchdowns. That's cool. 60. And look at some of the stats.

What he did to Georgia. What he did to Clemson, what he did to Alabama. Oh, man, just some straight up bull diggity. What did I tell you they was going to do? Saquon Barkley will sit out a Sunday's final regular season game against the Giants, putting an end to his chase of single season rushing record. With Philly's postseason seating secured, Nick Ceriani will be resting his starters.

Saquon told Philly reporter Devon Caney at 94 Whip, he's at peace with the decision. What did I say? Hold on, Joe. Coach asked me, you know me what I like to do. We had a conversation. He called me back and let me know that we're probably going to be wrestling. My reaction was kind of like I told my family.

Obviously, my family probably wanted a little bit more than me. But at the end of the day, the most important thing is winning football games and winning the playoffs. So I got a big goal in mind. Even, listen, that was all PC. That was all PC. I told you what I was going to do. Listen, you have a player in Saquon Barkley

that is on a historic season, on a historic run. Now, I understand the bigger picture, obviously, is getting the Lombardi trophy, you know? You can do both. You can do both. You can do. There's a milestone that he had the chance of reaching, and we said, oh, we're resting our starters.

I told you they were going to do that. I knew they were going to do them like that. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. Coach Ochoa, and I'm speaking from experience. We had a very similar situation with Terrell Davis. Yeah. Terrell Davis need 170, 171 yards?

Yes, sir. 170? Anyway, he got one. He need the last game of the season. We had home field sold up. Right. We're 13-2. The worst we could be was 13-3.

The Jets couldn't catch us because they were 12-4. The best they could be was 12-4. We had home field sold up. The offensive line said, we want that record. Yeah. Well, hell, TD, they say they want it. Let's go get it. We got 178 in the final game.

And guess what happened in 98, Ocho? And he ran for 199 against Miami the first game. Blew them out. He was out in the third quarter. Ran for about book 50 against the Jets in that game and then went over 100 again against Atlanta. Right.

They make it seem like, well, if he's playing the final game and he might get dinged in the first regular season to get to the playoffs. You can't look at it like that. You're running look at it like that. You're running back.

You play football. I'm getting it. I'll tell you what. It'll cost y'all $5 million for me to sit down. Or I'm going to raise a whole lot. Give me $5 million.

I'll shut it down. And I'll sit down. I'll get something out of this. That's too close, though. That's too close. I need $5 million, though, Joe. What Denzel say, I'm leaving with something. Yeah. I'm leaving with something. I'll say quiet. I need five million, Ocho. What Denzel say, I'm leaving with something.

Yeah. I'm leaving with something. I would say quiet. I would have said, listen, you can rest at starter, but I'm not resting. I'm going to play. Hey, I'm a backup.

I'm going to play. Yeah. Ocho, do you understand how close that is? He's 101 yards. Jonathan Taylor just ran for 125. The Eagles 125 against the Giants. And plus, I want to stick it

to him. I want the Maras. I want Schoen, or whatever his name is, the general manager. I want him to see. That would have been perfect. Can you imagine? NFL rushing record against a team that let you go. Against a team that gave up on you. Against

a team that said, you know, against a team that gave up on you, against a team that said, you know, we don't really value not only you, but the position you play and what you can do for us. Yes. I would love that. Come on, man.

And I think, you know what? Honestly, I think that call is coming up from somewhere else. And look at Tom Brady. Somewhere else. When Tom Brady broke that record, they didn't have nothing to play for against the Giants. No, they didn't.

Tom Brady went out there and got the record. Randy Moss went out there and got the record. They had nothing to play for. Now, okay, they lost the Super Bowl, but do you think them playing in that game had anything? One doesn't. Y'all trying to make it exclusive. Well, if we do this, we can't do that.

Nah, man. Hey, he better than me. Because I'm like, bro, 101 yards. As soon as the first offensive series would have happened, I would have been out there with my helmet on. Hey, hey. I was like, hey, guys. I got 100,000 if we get this record by the half.

Each offensive line, we get 100,000. As a matter of fact, everybody on the offense, I got 100,000 for you. Because guess what, Ocho? When you go to that autograph signing now, you're the single season Russian leaguer and you write 2106 or you write 2120,

you make that back in one signing. You don't understand. Listen, Saquon is already that boy anyway. He can happen through his life if he gets that Russian record. Ocho, listen, I'm telling you because, like I said, I don't sign that much, i'm telling you because i don't like i said i don't sign that

much guys i only signed about once every five years i'm good but when you put that insignia now you can just get the name okay saquon barkley 26 now single season russian leader oh that extra that extra that Yeah. Every inscription is extra. O-P-O-Y. Extra. If he's fortunate enough to make it in the Hall of Fame, H-O-F, that's extra. Extra.

Yeah. Oh, man. And then I have a question, huh? In the history of the NFL, when it comes to running backs, has there been any to go back-to-back 2,000-yard seasons? No, there's never been a 2,000-yard, no. Derrick Henry had the best chance. Derrick Henry had about 1,100 yards in nine games, and he got hurt.

He went 2,000. He was on another history. He was ahead of the pace in which he rushed for 2,000, but he got dinged and missed. Our whole point of why, when you have the opportunity to do it, to make a change, to make a change, to make a difference, to make history,

you take it. Yes! Take it. Because you're not going to get the opportunity again. The chances of doing this again are slim to none. Slim to none. But it is what it is.

I mean, think about it. The NFL is over 100 years old. I would have had the greatest single season rushing in NFL history. The greatest. Okay. Somebody break that record. But you know who record they broke? Mine.

That's who record they broke. I'm just being honest, guys. I'm just being honest. I'm just too close. Honestly, I'm just too close. I honestly, I'm just too close. Um, 101 yards.

And he played his tail off. Uh, he probably looking back like, man, man, some of those games that I went out and let them other guys, I could have, it might've been a situation. I've been only like 50 yards and then 50, they might have let me get it.

I just hope they make a run in the playoffs. I hope they make a run in the playoffs, especially taking this route, obviously wrestling the starters. I want the Eagles to make a run. Because to me, as for Saquon to say the rest and have the chances of getting an individual accomplishment of that magnitude

we're the leading rush of all time the first round you mean to tell me god damn we going home and I set out and I rested for this shit oh hell no I mean I'm old enough to remember when E.D. broke the record

in 1984. Yeah. So to see a record and to see somebody break it again, I'm older than when Danny, Marino,

because those two records happened in the same year. Danny threw for 5,000. E.D. ran for 2,100. That happened the same year, 1984. I'm older than to remember when Peyton broke the record, broke the touchdown record.

He threw 49, Marino had 48. And then Tom Brady in 2007 threw 50. And to see the records happen, I remember when Gastineau broke the exact record. I mean, not just like, well, I was a lot, but I saw it. I remember it. Man. Damn, Saquon, you done ruined my week.

I started hearing with, well, I don't know. We gonna talk to Brass. That's why I said what I said last week. I know the game. I know how they gonna play. They gonna play. They gonna play. He already got it.. I know the game. I know how they're going to play. They're going to play. They're going to play. Well, he already got it. He already got the money.

He got, you know, he had $500,000 if he's first-team All-Pro. He had another, what, $250,000 for the Pro Bowl. He had another five. He's made $1.250,000. But even, forget the money,

forget the incentive that he's already reached. I'm talking about the milestone of being the all time leading rusher in NFL history. You don't pass up that opportunity. You don't. It's not going to come again unless you plan fucking Madden. Oh, you can't miss that.

So many things have to go right. You and you were running back Ocho. Think about it. That man got 300 plus carries okay that's running the football how many passes have he caught okay hitting the ground getting tired i understand the ones that he did but what about it i ain't talking about just the one tackle what about they hit hit him, he hit the dirt, and then another two, three guys fall on top of his ass? Yeah. Ah, hell no. Give me that record.

Damn, y'all. I'm sorry, Chad, but I really wanted to get it. I mean, I ain't got, look, I'm a fan of the game. I'm a fan of history. And I just like, I like to see records broken. I really do. Sorry, E.D. I was cheering for him, too.

And Saquon is the right person to break the record, too. A good dude. Real good, thorough dude. Who that? Saquon. He's the right person. Yeah, I met him. I don't really know him that well. You know, you go to the Super Bowl, you see a lot of these young guys, but he seemed like a stand-up dude to me. I want to break

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