Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: Shedeur Sanders NAMED to NFL PRO BOWL + Cleveland Browns in COACHING LIMBO + Seahawks Tariq Woolen joins NIGHTCAP

Episode Date: January 27, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Shedeur Sanders being named a Pro Bowl replacement in his rookie season, it looks like nobody wants to be the head coach for the Cleveland Browns after another coach passes up on the job, and Tariq Woolen apologizes for his big penalty against the Rams this past Sunday and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Shedeur Sanders named to the Pro Bowl27:23 - Nobody wants to coach the Browns47:57 - Tariq Woolen apologizes 54:54 - Cooper Kupp’s contentious departure frpm the Rams (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is one of the best surprises that I could, I could have ever gotten. This is better than any birthday gift, any Christmas gift, anything I've ever gotten. because it's always been my dream because of football, a chat. For those you that are in the chat right now, now there's only one renowned choir. There's only one great, often imitated, never duplicated mass choir that I love and adored since I was a child. The legendary, Mosy Berks, the Mississippi Mass Choir,

that's the only choir I can think of, one that only because the NFL got in the way of my career in being the lead singer for the Mississippi Mass Choir, that's where I belong. So if you're able to pull this off, you know what, I give you $5,900. I double triplet. I give you $5,000,9,000.

Like if you're able to pull this off and I'm able to sing a song and lead the choir, where would this happen at, huh? At the last show. Oh, my God. I don't know about lead, But I think they'll let you join in and you might have one little lead, little lead.

Hey, one thing about it, boy, they say dreams come true. Now, I'm not one to make fun of, a fun of stuff, but this is almost like, like, you know, the Make a Wish Foundation. This is something for me. If I was, this is something that means so much to me. And the fact that I would probably want to lead a song, depending on what song we want to sing,

I'm hoping we can leave with some of the songs that are really my strengths, blessed assurance. Obviously near the cross is a very, very, very, very good one for me. I'm not tired yet. Oh my goodness, it's so many in my back pocket, so many that I can leave with, like I'm, oh, this is, you know what, I'm gonna tear up a little bit. Let me get the tissue.

Well, the thong that I really want them to sing, and I think the chat would like for them to say, as I'm pressing on. They're really known for that song, and I don't know if anybody can do it quite like they can. So maybe you can join in with that one. But we're working at the Ocho. We're trying to get an opportunity.

We're trying to work on logistics and everything like that. And so we'll know something here in the coming days, but that's not the only thing. We've got a couple of other acts. As you mentioned, we got LaRussle going to perform. And we're working on some things that if that comes through, man, Hold on. I missed it. I went to go get tissue because I teared up a little bit. What song did you say you wanted to hear? I'm pressing on.

What you know about I'm pressing on? Hey, oh my. I know a lot of. Hey, oh my goodness. And if we can make if if if if if like I said, we'll know something in a couple of days in the next two or three days. We'll have something iron dot concrete. Uh, but there will be a. Uh, but there will be a. Uh, several, like I can say this, there will be several acts performing before we actually get up there and do our thing. So we're very excited. We're very excited that people want to be a part of this. And we personally can't thank them enough.

So we're looking forward to getting this thing ironed out, Nocho, and let you have your wish. And you've got an opportunity to sing with the world. We're now in Mississippi Massquire. Yeah, this should have happened. This should have happened years ago, Chad. I mean, if you don't understand, for those you that don't know about the Mississippi Mass Choir, please do your homework on them. They have a multitude of albums you can go through.

Obviously, my favorite song is Near the Cross. You can check out also the Mississippi Children's Choir as well. I was supposed to be the lead singer for the Mississippi Children's Choir during those times when I was a little younger. But obviously, football got in the way me training, me having to go to school. I wanted to be homeschool. but my grandma wouldn't play that. My grandma was an Eastern Star.

She was a huge church woman uncle. I'm talking about Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. She's in church. No, any reason. Any reason? She's going to be at church. She's going to be at Bible study. So I grew up in the church.

So, I mean, the fact that I'm getting this opportunity to finally sing and live out my childhood dream with the Mississippi Mass Choir would be an honor. it would be an honor for me so I'm excited I'm excited well we're excited also like I said we'll know something here in the next couple of days uh chat I think the thing is chat what we try to do and I told you this from the very very beginning is that when Ocho and I we take to the road we try to make sure that not only are you entertained by us but if there is something that we can do while we're in that area to to offer and make sure you're entertained by other acts we're always going to try to do that. And so we're constantly reaching out.

So sometimes we're fortunate enough and we're able to get people. Sometimes they have prior commitments. Sometimes they're not in town and we're not able to make things like that happen. But if there's any chance that when we take to the road and we can make it happen, Ocho remember in New Orleans,

we had the Southern University. Yeah. We got those guys. And so we always, that's what we're always going to try to do. We're always going to try to have a group. We're always going to try to have something to entertain you other than Nocho and myself. And this is a, this looks very, very promising. So, uh, um, next two to three days, we should have something ironed out. Uh, but we're also working on another act. Um, um, so we're trying to have at least three. We know we got,

there's a potential, there's a 85% of two. We know that 85% but there's a, uh, there's third act. If we can get this, this will be, this will be unbelievable. 880. This will be a momentous occasion. And everybody else is going to try to copy what we do. But they can't do it. No, no, no, no, no disrespect to them. But it's, this is one on one. This is one and one. And oh, my goodness, you don't understand how excited I am. Ghali, it's going to be dope, man. All right, Ocho, and an unexpected, Shadour Sanders has been named to the Pro Bowl.

Shadour will replace Drake May, who will be playing in Super Bowl 60. Shadour is part of the AFC quarterbacking group that includes Josh Allen and Justin Herbert, who could also require replacement after getting surgery in December to repair a fractured hand. Only four AFC quarterbacks ranked in the top 10 for fan voting. Josh Allen, Drake May, Patrick Mahomes, and Boe Nix. Mahomes and Nix are both out with injuries, so that allows Shadour to get the nod. Lamar Jackson, Joe Burr-Nar, Rogers, obviously bigger names,

didn't make the cut over Shadoor. Oh, Cho? What are you thinking? Obviously, a lot of people upset. A lot of people are saying that Shadur Sanders didn't deserve this. Obviously, when you look at the stats, statistically, there are so many other suitors that could have gone to the Pro Bowl. Honestly, Unc, this is one that is a bit confusing to me.

As much as I love Shadur Sanders, there are many others that should have gotten that opportunity to go. I am happy that he's been awarded and afforded the opportunity to go to the Pro Bowl in his first year. But maybe you can clarify and give me a little bit more clarity as to why the other players who had better seasons statistically than ghosts. Mainly of Trevor Lawrence. Did that the name you wanted to throw out there? I was getting ready to see Trevor Lawrence. So, I mean, can you explain to me?

You might be able to help me understand a little better. maybe uh obviously oh jo maybe it's a situation where the fan vote they's like because you got to think about ocho they're down to like they're this six or seven alternate the pro bowl does not have the same recognition that it once did it used to mean something to go to the pro bowl oh joe it used to mean something and when you look at that ball and you see all those names you saw the elways and the marinos and the and the tom braids and the and the patent mannings And the guys, like I said, it wasn't like a regular season game, but guys cared.

There was none of this two-hand touch. And, you know, I've read some of the comments. He didn't deserve to go. It happens. He's not the first alternate to ever make the Pro Bowl. He's not going to be the last alternate to make the Pro Bowl. We saw, oh, you remember, we saw Huntley just a few years go make it. Yes.

Because nobody really wanted to go. I mean, first of all, I don't know where it's going to be. It's in San Francisco this year. Because it used to be, it used to mean something. You go in Hawaii. You get a vacation. You get to take your wife to Hawaii,

your girlfriend, your family, get the tag alone. It meant something to go across the water. To break bread, you're drinking the mites, the blue Hawaiians. It normally meant something. It doesn't have the same cachet.

But congratulations to your door. And like you said, Patrick Mahomes was hurt. Bo Nez is hurt. I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure. other names would have gone. Not at that far down as an altar.

I don't think Lamar is going. There's a great chance that they reached out to these guys and they're like, no, I'm good. Aaron Rogers, like, no, I don't need that trip. Lamar's like, no, I got other things to do. So I think the thing is that the other guys, Lamar, Joe, Aaron Rogers, probably Trevor Lawrence, they probably opt-in out.

I mean, listen, if it was like it was back in the day when we were playing Axie, And it actually meant much more to go to the Pro Bowl. The achievement of making the Pro Bowl, it was unbelievable. You understand this is a real, a real trip, a real treat, you know, that you get to go. You got to fly 10 hours. I don't care where you live. It's a 10-hour flight.

Your family goes. And, you know, you're there all week. And you really played. There was no bulljab. It wasn't no shucking and jiving. You enjoy those first three quarters. when we get to that fourth quarter, it's time to tighten up and we got to play ball.

It's time to turn up and we plan ball. It is. So, I mean, it's different now. Obviously, the game has evolved. The players also trying to protect themselves, especially if you're in the contract here, they don't want to get hurt. But, hey, hey, oh, my goodness.

Remember that? What I don't like about it now, Ocho, that was also the time that the team that won the Super Bowl, that got an opportunity to come over to the Pro Bowl and everybody had them on the back. Congratulations. Hell of a job, man. I'm rooting for you.

X, Y, and Z. Now, I mean, there are some players that's going to, I mean, you, and I get it. Like I said, it's not, you still, that's still on your resume. So no matter what you think, Shadour Sanders, whether he makes a number or not, when it's all said and done, he'll be a one-time pro bowl player. So how he got there is unimportant. Nobody's going to remember five years, 10 years, 15, 20, 30 years from now that he was an alternate and got selected to the Pro Bowl.

But I love the fact that after, you know, I was very fortunate to win a couple of Super Bowes and was a Pro Bowl player at that time and got an opportunity to go over and receive my congratulations and received that, you know, Darrell Green and a lot of Ray Browns and the guys like, hey, man, sign this champ. And you got an opportunity to put those Roman numerals up there.

It meant something. It really did. And I wish the NFL would go back to that and let these guys that make the, that made the Pro Bowl that are in the Super Bowl, they get an opportunity to go because they get an opportunity to go frat and eyes and see some of the guys A lot of the guys you only see him pass

and they'll show you play against them and that's it. But you get an opportunity to meet people's family. You take pictures with people wives and kids and their father-in-laws and things of that nature. So it's a huge honor. But congratulations your door. Look, no matter what, people are going to be upset about it. He didn't deserve to go.

But they had to have somebody else and it seems like these other guys weren't interested in it. So, I mean, what do you want to do? Just send two guys. hey, Justin Herbert could have easily opted out because he had surgery on his non-throwing hand. But I guess for what he's need to do, it's not going to, I don't think it's going to be,

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Try them for free at wasabi.com. A movie and talk. So I don't really have a problem with this. The only thing I wish is that I just wish the guys took it a little bit more serious and it didn't have to come to this that they ended up cutting it out and they're making the skills competition because it used to me and don't tell me this. Oh well. Oh, well. No, because the guys played the guys played for 50 years. 50 years, oh, Joe, they played.

And now all of a sudden you mean to tell me and I don't know what year it happened. but I remember it happening and I was like, because you remember the hit that Sean Taylor laid on the partner. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, guys wouldn't clean your clock. I mean, if you go with you go through middle, guys like, they let you come down.

Yeah, they're talking. You know, guys wouldn't try, you know, guys wouldn't try to do level, no crack back box blocks or anything like that. But the NFL did the only thing that they could if that, which they had, they had to cut it out because guys wouldn't take it serious. And so. Nice of skills competition. I mean, they played a flag game, and that's why I propose, you know, my whole thing. And obviously, on there, I think there's, there's enough of the older players, the past players that there's enough of us that are still in some somewhat shorter sort of shape. And I just thought, I just thought, you know, it would be exciting if they knew ahead of time and preparing themselves to go against the younger generation.

I think it would be fun because you're not out there. Man, but two of y'all is in shape, man. There ain't nobody still. No, but I'm just saying the fact that they're not playing for real. It's just to enjoy yourselves. I think it would be cool for the fans, you know, to be able to see the younger generation and go against the older generation. Hey, we're not going all out, but we're just out there having a good time.

That's all. I just thought. I mean, the only thing you possibly could do is have the quarterback to throw, but they would need to give them like six months to throw so their arm don't fall off after that Saturday. I mean, I don't know. I just thought it would be something really dope and something that, that you would never see a crossover like that unless you play Madden.

So to be able to see it in real life, in real time, some of the former legends playing with some of the current stars that they, it would be dope to see them share the field. But, hey. Ocho, you know, I don't know if you got an opportunity to make it, but it used to be the Pro Bowl, look, the Pro Bowl was an honor,

but everybody wanted to make All Madden. They wanted to make the All-Pro, and then they wanted to make the Pro Bowl. Because if you made All-Man, he actually had to see you play. So that means you got the number one team, be it CBS or Fox. So that's what that meant.

You got the number one team. So that means John Manned and Pat Summeroff, rest their soul, was seeing you play. And when you got that jacket or you got that trophy, that sweatshirt that they used to give you, at first of all, show,

they gave you a trophy. The trophy had to weigh like 25 pounds. So I'm not bored of you. They gave you a trophy. They gave you a leather jacket. They gave you a sweatsuit. They gave you a sweatshirt and they gave you a t-shirt. They cut the trophy out and then they gave you a leather jacket, a sweatshirt.

I think I still got, I know, I gave my last year, I made it, my last year in Denver. I gave the, what did I give? I gave some, I gave, I think I gave house, the jacket. I gave chocky the, uh, the hoodie. But that was an honor. To have John Madden, we still got the Madden game. And to have those two call your games.

That's dope now. Yeah, that's dope. What? But I still got the leather jackets. I still got, I made, the biggest honor was me and my brother making it together. I think I got like four sweatshirts, because I think I made it five times.

I got four jackets and a sweatsuit. I don't know. I think I got a sweatsuit. My sister might have a sweatsuit. But congratulations you should do it. Look, everybody's not going to be happy at the old show. I remember, look, there are some times of hell. I would have gone because I was the first alternate twice.

My last year, my first year in Baltimore, no, three times. My first year in Baltimore, I was the first alternate. In my last two years in Denver, I was first alternate. Now, I definitely should have made it. My first year in Baltimore, you can go check the stats. All the tidy of Gonso made it. Tony Gonzalez made it, deservedly so. But you look, I should have been the second guy.

I should have been there. And then my second year in Denver behind Gonson again, I should have made it. But hey, eight times, I guess there's really nothing to be complaining, but eight times in 14 years, that's pretty good for a guy that went to seven around. But Chidor, congratulations. That's on your resume. Now it gives you something to strive to be one of those. those first three guys that get selected to the Pro Bowl.

Do we the fan vote, the coaches, and the players is a huge honor. And like I said, 25, 30 years from now, everybody, well, nobody remember that he was an altar. Bill looked like, man, should do it, man, the Pro Bowl. Yeah, hey, listen, no matter what, no matter how you feel, you got to put Pro Bowl in front of that name before you say it. No matter whether he was, whether he deserved it or not, whether the stats were up the par for him to make it.

The players before him chose not to go. therefore, as far as the pecking order goes, he was next in line, so therefore he's a pro bowler. Yeah. Actually, I'm trying to think I made the pro bowl. I made the pro bowl like, let's see, 90s. I made it 95. I made it like damn near like five of my times

because I think Prime went like eight, nine times. And I think 92, 93, 94. No, I didn't go 94. I made it, but I didn't go. Eric Green, Eric Green was the alternate. I looked at it like, okay, that looked good on his resume. He hit me up. Hey, doll, what's going on?

I said, well, hey, you know, I got this. You good to go. That's dope. That's laugh. Hey, Uncle, that's very generous for you. Hey, also, that's what we used to do. You called up Chris Carter told a story. My brother had made it.

And Chris was the alternate. And he's like, man, your brother going to the Pro Bowl? I mean, he ain't loving it. I mean, if he goes, it's only because I'm going. Here my brother up. Brother's, hey, all of a sudden, my brother had an injury. Right, right, right. That's dope.

But that's, but, you know, somebody had incentives. Go get that. Most definitely. Yeah, for sure. Sean Merriman said, I have Pro Bowl helmet that I walk past every day. It's signed by some of the best players in NFL history, legends, hall of famers, and real good. ghosts the pro bowl used to be a badge of honor and respected things have changed dave said you sound

like a little beat a little beat been hanging around your dad too much my bad we said that somebody it was a random okay okay shot that was Sean merriman then somebody tweeted retweeted tweeted back at him and that that was Sean response i mean i mean he's right he's right I mean, that era of football, obviously, I played against Sean Merriman, made the Pro Bowl with him as well. I mean, it was different on it. The game, the game has evolved. I mean, the meaning of the Pro Bowl has changed tremendously. I don't think players in today's era will understand what it meant to fly and take that 10-hour flight with your family and see some of the people and meet some of their kids and their wives and seeing some of the coaches that some of the players bought. And just, I mean, it was dope. It was dope. I mean, enjoying the island, enjoying the people, and join the culture and generally. You know throughout the entirety of the week, it was different.

It was different. And staying at the I Hilani with that goddamn French toast, I still don't know what, I don't know if it was a French tofu or whether it was a syrup at the Ihalani. I didn't know why, but oh my goodness, to this day, there's only been one place. I don't mean to veer off track. There's only been one place where I've had French toast as good as the French toast in the Ialani at that hotel. and that's at a restaurant in Montreal called La Avenue. Oh, my goodness.

They got a restaurant in, I think I said, Ashton thing on IG. They got a restaurant in New York that we got to go try to pancakes there. It's good? Yeah, I'm a pancakes guy. All things, Benico, I'd rather have pancakes to paste toast. But I go pancakes, French toast,

waffles for me. That would be my choice. I mean, some people like French toast. Some people like waffles. Some people like pancakes. But I'm a pancakes, french toast waffle guy. I like it. But it is.

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Another coach passed on taking the Brown's head coaching job. Jags OC, Grant Yiddinsky has withdrawn from consideration as head coached position, but it's still pursuing the bill's head coaching job. Mike McDaniel decided that he'd rather go down the ladder and expected to be the charges OC than the Brown's head job. And Chris Schuller, who the DC for the Rams reportedly passed and requested on a requested meeting from the Browns. The Browns now have interviewed commanders running back Anthony Lynn.

Saturday, former head coach of the Chargers, Ocho, when the coaches would rather stay coordinators, then go take that job. Does that speak to the dysfunction that is actually going on? I mean, it speaks to the dysfunction, but I mean, I got into it with some Brown fans today on Twitter. I mean, obviously, we had some dialogue back and forth, and I said, you know, three coaches pulled out,

and they said, well, those coaches pulled out because they know they weren't getting the job. And then they talked to me, you need to talk about what you know because administration are those in positions of power with the Cleveland Browns were flying out to see someone by the name of Nate. I don't remember what Nate's last name was. Excuse me. Chat, you can probably correct me that he's going to be the one to get the job.

And I'm like, well, either way it goes, I don't think coaches are wanting to take. It's not a coveted job. It's not like everyone is lining up, knocking down the door to want to be the head coach. of the Cleveland Browns. Listen, I agree. As much as I love my bangles, I've always been an advocate for the Cleveland Browns players, not the organization in itself. They're players, especially, you know, Denzel Ward, Miles Garrett,

Shadour Sanders, Grand Delph, and you know how I am. If you watch this show long enough, you know how I've always shown support for the Cleveland Browns, even though they're not my team. But it's a dysfunctional organization. It always has been for a very, very long time. And one thing I don't do is I really don't talk about organizations in general, but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade, even if it's me who's always on the positive side of things.

It's not good, which is why most of the coaches don't want to coach there. Another issue is obviously the quarterback situation. I don't think there's nothing cemented in place where a head coach feels that comfortable going into that building saying, you know what, this is where we're going to start and we're going to build from here and we'll worry about everything else on the back end. I agree. I think the thing is that a head coach called in that and they know, Andrew Barry still has control.

Most of the time, coaches want to come in, they want to bring their own general manager. With that being said, and then there's a direct, like, I don't actually get an opportunity to talk to Jimmy and D. Haslam. I got to deal with Andrew Barry, who's epped up since he's been there. I don't think, he didn't select Miles Garrett, did he?

What was the guy that selected Miles Garrett? He selected Baker also. John Dorsey. John Dorsey. It is one of 32. When you're willing to say, instead of being, you know, kind of your own boss, I would still rather just, you know, be an OC or DC where I am, I think that speaks a lot, that speaks loud and clear.

I mean, hey, listen, if the Brown's looking for a head coach, you know who can go over there and coach him on? Who? Shit, me. Nah, you got to realize that you do realize that, the owner of the Cincinnati Bengals, his dad used to, that's who the Browns are named out there. They probably are going to have anything to do with you.

I know it's all good. It's all good. I mean, I listen, I'm just throwing my name out there. So listen, Browns need a head coach. Philadelphia Eagles,

they need the officer coordinator. I'm just, listen, I'm manifesting it. I'm manifesting the opportunity. Maybe it might present itself. It doesn't. I tried.

Yeah. Well, you keep manifesting. I'm manifesting other things, but coaching ain't something that I manifested. I promise you, I promise you that. I've been manifesting a lot of things.

I've been trying to speak a lot of stuff into existence. Been praying about a lot of stuff. Coaching in the NFL ain't something I've been praying about. It's coaching in the NFL is something I've ever prayed about. I got you. Being a player, that was it. Once I said, I'm done. I want another.

You disconnected from the game, huh? No, I'm not disconnected to the game. Disconnecting from it as far as coaching. Yes, but you know what, Ocho? this allows for me, it allows me to stay close to the game without having to work those long-ass hours. Because I'm excessive, like I'm obsessive.

Well, that's what they call it obsessive. When you're lazy and don't want to do what you want to do. You say, oh, he obsessive. No, I just want to be great at what, because that's anybody that's been great at anything, they were what you call obsessive at one point in time. Serena was obsessive. Tiger Woods was obsessive.

Kobe was obsessive. But see, nobody ever said, I guess because Kobe didn't speak about it. Everybody came out when Mike McDonald said what he said, but I guarantee you there are times that Vanessa did everything for the kids, got them ready, got them to go to school. Was that the PTA? Was at their functions?

And then when he retired, he could take on more of that responsibility. But nobody didn't say, well, that was a flex, that Kobe was up at, He said he was in the gym at six at four o'clock in the morning, got two hours in, come home, shower, eat, lay down, back in the gym at nine. Shower, eat, back in the gym at four. Nobody said Kobe was, oh, Kobe down, ain't no flex.

See, I don't think people understand. I don't think people understand the sacrifice that goes into it, the amount of hours that you have to put in to be great, the discipline. To that level of that level, you know, the Tom Brady's, the Tiger Woods. I don't think people understand it. they know they put the work in. I don't think they understand how much work and how much sacrifice. How many how many things are sacrificed that are immediate to you, including family, including kids, to reach that level of success.

It's not easy. Yeah. Any entrepreneur, whether you're talking about Bill, whether you're talking about Bill Gates, where you're talking about Jeff Bezos, where you're talking about Larry Ellison, anybody, Zuckerberg, Anybody you want to make if you talk about that level of success now I'm not I'm not knocking anybody says I'd rather be a family man I want to be a family woman and my family is more important than ascending and having enormous rights of wealth yes to you I got no problem with that I'm never going to knock somebody for what they choose as important to them

but I think early on you get a kind of sense I think Serena has got a sense early on well we want to be the Well, the dad who had no former tennis training says, well, this is what it's going to take. Earl Woods, who had really no formal golf training says, well, son, this is what's going to take. Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan says like, this is what it's going to take. For me to be obsessive, this is it. It's got to be the end of all beyond. And to people that don't want to be that, I don't begrudge them. I don't.

It's different though. Some people's like, I just want to grow up, have a family. be a husband and be a father to my kids. And you know what I think the difference is is coach talked about it. And I think because he talked about it, because he voiced what he has to go through or what he's not able to do. Yes. It's frowned upon.

But if all these greats, all these legends were to hold that same conversation if it was able to be had, especially from Kobe, and you get the same thing. You get the same thing from Michael Jordan as well. How many coaches you think do love what Mike McDonald does? that makes it seem like he the only one. Because I know, because I was there when the coaches would come,

where the coaches would come back, Ocho, and they didn't go home. They went straight upstairs and started breaking down film. And they might not go home until they might go home during the day, like Monday. They might go home for an hour, but they write back.

Tuesday, they're there the whole night. Wednesday the whole night. It was Thursday that they got an opportunity to leave at six o'clock. Mm-hmm. But that's the price you have to pay. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely, absolutely.

Absolutely. And you know what the funny thing about it is we all work. We all work. Whether it's 9 to 5 or whether it's graveyard shift, but there's different levels of being a psycho when it comes to your craft and what you do. Different levels of sacrifices require. That is well.

I like calling those, the Jordans, the Kobe, the Tiger Woods. They are psycho. Like literally cycle because a few screws have to be loose to be able to have to have the discipline to do what they do and do it over and over and over and over and over until you you not get it perfect i've i forgot the word you say it some time too you might not get it perfect damn i forgot no you well you don't do it to get you just you don't do it till you get it right you just do it so you can't get it wrong that that's that's that's it's right yeah that's what the tom brady's made it look so easy and it's so and it's so difficult the patent mannings

Now, they're great fathers now because what their job entails now doesn't require that level of discipline, that level of dedication, that level of obsession, what they do now. Now, everybody's telling me that Tom has gotten better at doing what he does. I don't know, I haven't heard him, but I had a conversation with him last summer and had a conversation. He's like, you know, and I was like, look, bro, you got to realize you didn't become what you became your first year. So what made you think that you were going to just pick this up and be great at it your first year? It's going to take time.

You know it. And you can't be anybody else for Tom Brady. So everybody's talking about well, he ain't Robo or he ain't John Madden. Nope, he's Tom Brady. And that's to be the best Tom Brady at calling the game that you can be and then let the chips fall within it.

And he's gotten much better at it. But the one thing about it is is Tom Brady his first year. Okay. Yeah. And he gradually continues. to get better because of one thing repetition

repetition yes repetition he put time in he understands now you watch him um whereas before he would never like when the guy when the guy was telling was talking to him he was looking at the camera as opposed to taking the question listening to the guy listening to the talk

and then turn to the camera yeah matter of fact speaking of speaking of speaking of that man what you think about me doing color commentary too I think I think I would be good at it I think I would be good at I have to work on my cursing I work on my cursing but listen I can I can talk the game I'm knowing in an extent and in depth but I can also tell a story as the game is going so I think well here's the thing it's hard to tell stories during the game because you got to talk in three to five seconds because you can't talk too long because the next player is about to happen so you got to put that thing in a nice neat boat it's a lot more difficult than people think And people think it like Madden. But Madden was very simplistic. He's circling sweat.

He got smoke coming off the guy's head. And he boom, boom, boom, boom. People like that. Because he was very simplistic in what he was saying. He didn't get, he wasn't talking about no quarter of coverage and he wasn't talking about this. It was very, very simple. He was like, look at it. He got a double here, a double here and a pull around here.

And there's an alley there. People love that. But it's a, uh, uh, uh, What makes that job so difficult on, Cho, is that you're talking about what's happening in real time. At the pregame, in the pregame show, you're talking about what you think will happen. In the post game show, you're talking about what has actually happened.

During that live, you're talking about what is actually happening before your eyes. And guess what? You don't get a chance to rehearse. And listen, that's all experience, don't. That's all experience and being able to recall based on experience and what you've seen before at playing, and being able to adapt that to what you're seeing in real time.

Yep. Yeah. I mean, I like, I mean, I do a, I just, for me, Ocho, I'm not, I don't, I don't really need. Look, and I'm sure the guys do a great job, but what they do, I don't need told me. Because the one thing that you don't want to have happened is to regurgitate what somebody is saying.

Oh, you just heard such and such say that. No, I just, I just, I just, Yeah. No. I mean, you do realize that I, I played the game a little bit. I was okay. I'm not saying I'm a top 10 player in the history of the game, but I was an okay player.

And I know what I see and I can recall. But it was, it's great. I just can't believe the Browns have found themselves in this situation. I believe the Raiders have their guy in mind. A lot of people say it's going to be Clint Kubiak. I do think Clint is very deserving of a job. You see the job that he's done. with Sam Darnel.

Because remember, Ocho, he was in, he was in New Orleans before Kelly Moore got there. So, and you see the job that he's done with Sam Darnel. So you think, well, obviously,

Clint Kubiak, knowing that the number one pick, obviously going to be Fernando Mendoza. I mean, okay, I like it. I like it. I think still. And when we talked about this, Ocho, I think this is just my personal. I haven't talked to anybody in Baltimore. I think the reason why Baltimore went defense is that they say Lamar Jackson has won two MVP with two different coordinators.

We believe Lamar Jackson is so great. We don't give a damn who the coordinator is. His greatness is going to shine. No matter what. We need somebody to repair this defense. This is where we're losing games. We have double-digit leads and we're squandering those leads. We were last or we were last or near the bottom

and past defense and sacks and all these stats. And so I think that's what Steve Bishadhi was going for. And as a matter of fact, I think he was in Baltimore with John Harbaugh before he went to the Chargers. So that's my thought process on that. But the Browns, look,

And I know Miles Garrett is making money, and he's still not making much as he should be making, considering the type of player that he is. But I don't know how he can put the kind of time that he does to take care of his body and to be great as he is and just to get accustomed to this losing. I don't know how, Joe. He takes a special type of person, oh Joe,

to go out there and you know what you put in. And you see, think about Ocho, they're playing from behind. He got 23 sacks and rarely, if ever, did they have the lead? Yeah. Well, listen, they, they. Just imagine if he had a team like if he had a team that could put points on the board. And they got an opportunity to play for a lead and he got an opportunity to hunt. That's crazy.

Well, listen, they did promise him. He did, he did have some gripes and said he wants to play for winning an organization. They paid them and they promised them. We're going to build a winner. Promises like pie crust. They're in the knees that broken. Well, they can prove themselves this offseason. They can prove themselves in the draft.

How many times you've seen people get before, they get before that man, stand right there at the altar and promise, I'm going to love you. For better or for worse. And be gone. Sickness that didn't help, rich or poor. As soon as you broke, they out of dough.

Yep. Or as soon as you get sick. They gone. This is too much. I didn't sign up for this. Hey, God, leave, boy.

I'm still thinking about that news you gave me at the beginning of the show, man. God, leave, boy, that's exciting. Yeah, people say, well, Barry Sanders with that guy and Barry left. Yeah, he did.

They kept promising bad. They kept promising bad, kept promising bad, bear saying after 10 years, yeah, y'all, y'all just running game on me. Y'all, y'all, we're not getting better. As a matter of fact, I think we're starting to take a step back.

Calvin Johnson. That's why he left. Johnson. Calvin Johnson, same thing. I mean, think about it. You got two of the all-time great players. Billy Sims was actually that 20 number was special. I don't know, I know you don't remember. Wait, white shoes? Oh, that's John, that's, that's Billie Johnson. That's Billy White Shoes. Yeah, okay. Billy Sims was a Hisman trophy winner. I think Billy came out in 78. Yeah, 78. Because Earl Campbell won the Housman in 77, Billy was 78, Charles White was 79, George Rogers was 80, Marcus Allen was 81,

Hershal Walker was 82, Mike Rozier was 83, Doug Flutty was 84, Bo Jackson was 80, but you know what I said, Ocho, I got you. I'm picking out what you're putting down. So with that being said, he was special, but he got an ACL and you know, back then guys didn't come back from ACLs like they do now. People marvel at Adrian Peterson and they should.

You do realize that Rod Wilson tore his ACL in the first game of the season and played in the Super Bowl. Damn. He did. He did. That's crazy. Jerry tore his ACL

and played in the last game, the second to the last game of the season. I don't understand how they did that. But Adrian Peterson is the most remarkable person to come back from ACL and have a crazy season post ACL tear. I don't know what doctor he went to. I don't know what kind

rehab he did but man wherever he did or whatever process or rehab he went through that's what everyone else that tears at e-cells that's what they need to go unbelievable I don't know did uh

James Andrews do uh was it Andrews that did AP surgery Eletrosh because I don't think he went to the Stebman Hawkins Clinic um but clearly I mean eventually somebody's going to take the job they're going to

They're going to lie to him and tell him you're going to have control you'll have kids say over the 53. Yeah, he went to James Andrews down in Birmingham. I don't know if he's still doing, sir. Dr. Andrew's old now. He's got to be like 80. He that old, you think? Yeah. He's 83.

Yeah. I don't know. You know, a lot of times when they have sons, their sons become because that's how Dr. Watkins is and so they you know the son takes over to takes over to practice but yeah but you got to realize on show show show I remember hearing about him when I was first gotten to lead instead in the Hawkins clinic they were the team doctors for the Broncos they had a place up in um an aspen coloraspen and a lot of guys would go up there to get to get ACLs or they did microfacture

uh rod had micro fracture also where they bore holes in the knee and let it drip and and let it the heel itself. Also, the Seahawks quarterback, Rick Woolen, and apologize for his costly taunting penalty that almost cost the Seahawks a trip to the Super Bowl. No cap, high intensity game. When you're in the zone, you balling with your bro, sometimes you black out.

Oh, Cho, can you trust that he won't black out again? Because what happens, you know, you know, Diggs going to be talking, Diggs is a talking. He's going to be all right, you know, you know, you're not going to cost you, you're not going to cost your team. Obviously, most of them are very high. He made a good play.

He was excited. He lost sense of self in that moment. Obviously, he had one of his players get on him. They exchanged words on the sideline. The good thing about this is you live and you learn, and it didn't cost your team so you know that next week you're not going to just mess around and do it again. So you're going to be a little bit more cautious. Control your emotions, make your plays, celebrate with your teammates,

and leave the trash talking alone. Control your emotions. Don't let them control you. Brayble like, hey, get him. Get him. Yeah. Because that's what we did. Hey, you got somebody.

We played the Raiders or the Chiefs. Oh, yeah. You already know. Damn. You got to try to get any edge you possibly can. Hey, bud. Oh, that's going to be. I'm so excited, but that's going to be a good game, man.

It's going to be a great game. We don't have to worry about the weather being an element. You know, we don't have to worry about. At least hope not. Not. Because you know sometimes it does rain in San Francisco. You know, hey, at nighttime, boy, night time. I mean, we're not even going to be at the game.

You're going to the game. Yeah, I don't know. Well, you see, hey, you've seen the ticket prices. Man. Yes. Four tickets, $200,000. Four tickets, $65,000. Boy.

And please. Hey, the best seat, the best seat in the house. The best ticket in the house is, let me. Oh, my cow. On my couch, too, because I leave, I leave. I think I leave Sunday morning. If I'm not mistaken. I leave Friday morning.

Hell yeah. Yeah. Listen, I'm getting a Friday there. By the time I get home, I'd be able to sit down and get ready to watch the game. Nice and quiet. No, man. Look here. If the Broncos had made it, I was coming home.

Either way. Either way, yes. I was going to have my Bronco gear on for them. But I'm not going to the game. No, no. They turn it. It's unfortunate. Obviously, I understand it.

I understand the business side of it. They've turned it into a corporate event. We have this conversation every single year when it come time to the Super Bowl. The true fans that support these two teams throughout the season that are at all the home games, they're going to road games. I'm not sure unless you're just extremely well off or you saved up to be able to afford to be able to go to the game, huh? Like, it's ridiculous. He, yeah, it's, look, a lot of this stuff, I mean, the advertisers, they spend so much and they get a block of tickets.

You got a, you know, Pepsi and Gatorade and Verizon and, you know, all, all those, all those corporate sponsors, Pizza Hut. They get so many tickets, Joe. I mean, hey, and I don't begrudge them. I mean, man, if I, hey, you better, if I'm spending three, four hundred million dollars, you better give me a hundred damn tickets. I mean, understandable. What? Understandable. Look at Ocho.

What up, what up, Twin? You want to go stay with Ocho? Yeah, come on down here with your boy. Come on, hey, bring him on down. I take him to the dog park, Unk. Let him, let him, let him have a little fun at there. He could go to the dog park because he, uh, he's not. Oh, you got him fixed?

I did. Hey, I'm going to have to call CPS on you, um. Yeah, you can't, you can't be doing, you can't be doing a dog like that, man. Now he's innocent. Now he's pure. He would never know what his, like to experience, you know,

horizontal activity. No. He would say, I ain't want to be no dad. He'd say, child support. Say, kick my dad after. No. But he said, nah, I'm good. Why you end upstairs on the bed with your brother?

Teddy bear on the bed. That's why I left him. Why you're not in the room with your auntie? She closed the door on you. Hey, make him, make him bark, huh? Oh, he can't hear me because you got the old daddy get on me. You got the ear buzz in. Say, I go, say I go, I go, I go, I go, I don't know when to stop.

I say, I don't know when to stop. He said, the only time I get really excited when I'm going to get my brother Titus, because I know he in that room. And so I just start scratching on the door. Hey, I'm thinking, I might get me a dog, man, because you just be just, you know, some just that some. You're going too much. I know, but some just.

you know that's gonna love your unconditionally you know no matter what you know good day bad day you know i just i'm i'm trying to think i'm trying to think i'm should i do that what kind of dog can i get uh you probably well i mean you get some small dog and you could travel with it oh hey that'd be a good one hey what about my furniture you know all my all my furniture white unk white rugs white everything well yeah i i would recommend you man, you getting a dog bed. Hey, is that way to potty? But I mean, but like, like, like, Teddy, like Teddy likes to get,

he don't really care about the furniture. He wants to be, he don't really care about getting on the bed. He just wants to be on the bed. He just wants to be on the bed. Titus wants to be on the bed. Okay, okay. So. Okay, I got a thing about that, man.

I think my, and I'm going to get me a white dog. So I'm going to give me a white dog to go with the white furniture. Well, I mean, you can get a, a coup boss. you can get a Bijon. Hey, I had a Bijon. I had a Bajon. I had a Bajon named Studley. when I was a bade, when I was young.

You can get an alibi, a dogo. No, come on. Doggo's too big, huh? Yeah, I know. So, I just tried to get a dog that's white. I mean, you get Pomeranians that's white. I ain't never seen no white palm. I got to hollet my homeboy at the city.

You know, I can get, you know, I can get your dogs. You know, you all pay $5, $10,000 for these. I got a dude at the city, you know, who can get anything for about $200, $200. I don't know how he'd get him. He want me to keep, he want me to keep scratching him. What you do? Ocho, before joining the Seahawks last offseason,

Cooper Cubs' departure from the Rams was more contentious than initially appeared. Michael Silver, I know Mike very well, revealed more details behind what Led Cook released, reporting that rather than trying to negotiate a salary reduction, with the former all-pro, the Rams, had unceremoniously cut ties, urging him to retire. The Rams also reportedly tried to dictate Coup's market,

excuse me, Cups Market once he became a free agent. Sources told Silver that Cupp became to believe that some of the L.L. officials had cautioned potential suitors against paying him anything more than the vet minimum suggested that his age and accumulation of injuries had provoked a steep decline. Cups finished from, first six, uh, eight seasons of his career in Los Angeles after being drafted with a third

round pick in 2017. He helped lead the ramp to a Super Bowl title in 2021, earning a Super Bowl MVP and NFL offensive player of the year honor. Now, Cup has gotten the last laugh. Cup had the greatest receiving season in NFL history. When you combine that season that he had, Ocho, he was the triple crown. He finished a couple of yards short of Calvin Johnson. I think he had like 140, catches, 1940-something yards. Calvin Johnson's record is 1964, but he literally, he was a triple crowd. And then he parlayed that in the both season.

And was insane. When he absolutely had to be, he was historically great in the post season. So I believe when you look well over 2000, what are here? I think he had like 2,400 receiving yards. I mean, in its totality, yeah. It was something like that.

Yes. But even with that, even with that historic season he had in 2020, 21 you see how the business side of things come back to bite you and you know what oh yeah night you don't lost a step no he didn't lose a step you just you stop giving the opportunities you gave him the same yeah i mean and obviously you got puga but you still didn't put him a position to make those same play before we got there no you put him in position don't you he was he was injured probably yeah yeah he had some injuries but you got to realize think about how often make ocho do you know how many hits you blow you

got a tape if you catch a hundred and forty something passes now how many times did you drop the ball and you still got here yeah hey I'm just so think about that over the course of a career now Pooka is there Pooker's a little bigger but Cooper Cuppers are yeah a cool people think Cooper Cubs is all guy Cooper Coupe is a big ass old he he looked like it on the field until you get up close yeah he's just a big boy now and so but my thing is oh Joe I don't you shouldn't be able to dictate. Okay, you release me. No, I don't want to retire. I don't believe, look, Ocho, you, you married, you get a divorce. You try to dictate to your wife, well, I don't think

you should get remarried. I think you just, you know, just live by yourself. I'm not, I'm not sure. You know, and vice versa. The wife gets divorced and say, I don't think you should get remarried. Right. No, no, no, you don't want me. Don't worry about what I'm going to do somewhere else. I might decide to retire. I might decide not to get a spouse. I want to work. But that's going to be my choice. Why would they do that anyway? Why would they even care once he decides to leave and you didn't want to pay me?

You telling me to take a pay cut. Not only you're telling me to take a pay cut, you're telling other teams that might want me, tell him to only give me the vet minimum. What is that all about? Why would you even care? It's not your money. Why would they even care? I don't understand.

Exactly. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, he's the largest land owner in the world, got over 2.3 million acres. He worth $16, 17 billion on the, on the Nuggets, the Avalanche, Arsenal. I need a hollash stand too, boy. I'm glad you said that, boy.

Could you imagine if I play for the Rams? I would have been the first player to be a two, be a two sport player like Deanna. Yeah, I would have played for Arsenal and I would have played for the Rams. This show contains information subject to, but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man, this is your boy, Nav Green from the Broken Play Podcast.

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