Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Stefon Diggs gets traded, Rashee Rice fallout

Episode Date: April 5, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Buffalo Bills trading star WR Stefon Diggs to the Houston Texans and Kansas City Chiefs WR Rashee Rice taking responsibility for Dallas hit-and...-run 05:00 - Stefon Diggs headed to Texans 31:45 -“The only player that’s exempt from bad behavior is the QB” 45:00- Dwight Freeney says he retired at the perfect time because of the current rules and how the game has changed 51:15 - Rashee Rice apologies and took full responsibility for car accident 01:03:00 - Dallas Mayor pitches Chiefs return to city off rejected stadium tax 01:05:00 - Lebron and JJ Redick admit to watching their own highlights  (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)      #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:05:25 Stephon Diggs is headed to Houston. The Texans traded a 2025 second round pick to the Bills in exchange. Buffalo is also sending Houston a 2024 sixth round pick and a 2025 fifth round pick. Here's a, in the Buffalo, a reporter for Buffalo reported Buffalo's patients were thin with D the evidence. After his performance slip, the bills were so motivated to move him that they took on the largest dead money cap hit in NFL history,
Starting point is 00:05:59 which is $31 million. Signs between signs of tension between Diggs and his quarterback were obvious when cameras caught Diggs screaming at Josh Allen during the Bills playoff loss to the Bengals two seasons ago. That was followed by an absent or mandatory minicamp, among other distractions. Earlier this week, Diggs
Starting point is 00:06:17 posted someone tweeted, saying, does Josh benefit from having a top-tier receiver? Yes. Is he a center to his success? No. Diggs tweeted, are, does Josh benefit from having a top-tier receiver? Yes. Is he a center to his success? No. Diggs tweeted, are you sure? Ocho, remember? Remember what I said. What did I say, Ocho?
Starting point is 00:06:36 What did you tell me, baby? Remind me. Refresh my memory. I'm old now. Okay, I said, Ocho. Refresh my memory. I said, Ocho, they'll tolerate you until they can replace you. I said, we've seen teams. Who's a better receiver, him or T.O.? Diggs or T.O., who's a better receiver?
Starting point is 00:07:00 I mean, T.O. is one of the best of all time. And when people got tired of him, what did they do? Who's a better receiver, him or Randy Moss? And when people got tired of Moss' behavior, what did they do, Ocho? who's a better receiver him or randy moss and when people got tired of moss behavior what did they do ocho who's a better receiver him or ab ab that's what i was i was basically going on looking at the history of great receivers at some point in time them teams them teams to get tired of that said nah well let me let me let me tell you something let me tell you something now anytime as receivers we are passionate we're not quiet we don't abide by the standards in which the media or nfl analysts think we should live and conduct ourselves by we're we're we're considered divas we're considered donnas. Because depending on who you are, the goalposts always seem to move depending on who you are.
Starting point is 00:07:49 Sometimes you have the protection for the complexion. And when you're boisterous, you're passionate about it. But depending on who it is, it ain't passionate. You're angry. Or you're a div diva or you're arguing with your quarterback. It's weird to me is when you see someone in the middle of a game and exchange and exchange in, I call it exchange in pleasantries between a quarterback and receiver. It happens all the time. It happens with Tom Brady and his receivers. There's footage of it happens all the time. It happens with Tom Brady and his receivers. There's footage of it happening
Starting point is 00:08:25 all the time. Now, we need different instances depending on who the receiver is at hand or that's doing it or the quarterback that's doing it is taken different. Sometimes it's being disruptive and sometimes it's passionate. It all depends on who it is
Starting point is 00:08:42 that's doing the hauling, if you hear what I'm saying. Now, when it comes to Diggs, he's one that wears his emotions on his shoulders. Many of the great ones do. You mean on his sleeve? Myself. You mean on his sleeve?
Starting point is 00:08:53 On his sleeve. Oh, my bad. What did I say? Wears his emotions on his what? On his shoulder. That's a chip. Okay, yeah, yeah. But the sleeve is on his shoulder.
Starting point is 00:09:00 Ain't it? No. Hey, that's one thing I could do. I could pitch some stuff in this goddamn challenge. You put you some phrases and some slog show. No. Hey, that's one thing I could do. I could pitch some spelling and some goddamn challenges. You put your surprises and some slogans.
Starting point is 00:09:08 Yeah. I'd be fucking it up. Listen, but Diggs is very passionate. Diggs is very passionate. As was Randy Moss. As is T.O. As was A.B.
Starting point is 00:09:18 As was Dez Bryant. Do you notice the lineage of greatness that I'm naming? As was me. It's just the way it is. Sometimes I've seen Tom Brady erupt on the sidelines. Do they say he's angry?
Starting point is 00:09:33 No. You know the first thing? We love to see that passion from that player. Wait, wait, wait. Let me finish. Let me finish, baby. I let you get your point across. I'm going to let you get your point across.
Starting point is 00:09:43 But then when Dez does it, or when D Diggs does it or even Josh Allen does it, it's seen as passionate. But when Diggs does it or I do it or Dez Bryant does it, oh, he's the problem. He's a cancer for the locker room. Look at what he's doing on the sideline. He's being disruptive. He's a cancer. I like just all type of, listen, he's a player that wants to win. It's a player that wants to be involved in the game. It's a player that knows if he get his touches, he can help the team win offensively. That's it. So I understand where his frustrations come from.
Starting point is 00:10:17 You're probably not going to agree with me, but as a receiver myself that has been in situations later down the line in my career and understanding that I can affect the game. I can hit my head off the goalposts from anywhere on the field. I can get open. All I need for you to do is give me an opportunity and call a play for me. Sometimes, am I going to catch every play? No, I'm human. I'm going to mess up.
Starting point is 00:10:42 I'm going to have drops. But just give me the opportunities and the chances that you would always give me if I was a younger player. Try not to weed me out of the system and then say, oh, my production didn't drop. No, damn well, you're responsible for dropping in the goddamn first place.
Starting point is 00:10:58 But I'm going to let you go. That passion. Did you see Randy Moss display that passion in front of Tom Brady? Did he get in Tom Brady's face and berated? Or talk about give me the damn ball have you ever saw that yes or no i i can't recollect right now to did he ever display that in front of steve young or did he did it in front of jeff garcia and other quarterbacks yes or no no sir and you see what happened they got tired of that ab could have did that to another quarterback the steelers got tired of him doing the big being so in other words what i'm saying is josh allen
Starting point is 00:11:33 has started to garner the kind of respect now whether or not he's the player of tom brady we know he's not we know he's not the player of him of pton Manning and these other great quarterbacks. But in the Bills' eyes, and that's what you have to understand. See, that's why you can't look at somebody else and say, well, he makes that. The way their organization treats him might be different the way this organization treats you. And so you have to be mindful of that. But I told you, Ocho, I'm just looking from a distance. I'm a player. you're a player but i talked to a lot of general managers and i talked to a lot of people that's in prominent positions and it was universal it won't be long
Starting point is 00:12:16 well you know what else is universal it was universal that i don't think he wanted to even be there this this season coming up because he understood he understood i understood a lot of people no wait wait i'm not i'm not talking about him not being there i'm not talking about him not being there the window of opportunity had closed the window of opportunity that had closed listen hold on yes he was yes he was well hold on when he was in the house, were they using him to the best of his ability to make sure they can get past the Kansas City Chiefs? I'm just asking.
Starting point is 00:12:52 Were they? Since he arrived in Buffalo, no receiver in NFL has more targets than one Stephon Diggs. Since he arrived in Buffalo, no wide receiver has more catches than Stephon Diggs. So, this notion that he wasn't used, Ocho, is not being true by what you perpetuate. I have a question.
Starting point is 00:13:10 I have a question. Did the Buffalo Bills make it? Have they been to the Super Bowl? Have they gotten outside of the AFC Championship game? They went to the AFC Championship game. Divisional round as far as they've gone. My point is... He's on the team.
Starting point is 00:13:23 My point exactly. He's part of the problem he became more problem than what he was worth thank you that is wrong that is wrong and you're not going to be able to replace that production right a goddamn way and we will we listen and we're going to
Starting point is 00:13:38 address this situation again with them the Buffalo Bills moving on from Stephon Diggs because I don't have I don't have the numbers in front of me wait wait stay with me there i don't have the numbers in front of me right now but the production between stefan diggs and josh allen four years am i correct four years they were together right four years immaculate production through those four years immaculate and nobody is going to be able to replace that production, you might get some of it back. You might get some of it back.
Starting point is 00:14:07 But the important games where it mattered, they allowed team to dictate the way they can use him. They've allowed team to take him out of games. And then we come back on shows like us, or people on TV will say, well, his production dipped in some of the most important games. No, no, it absolutely did not. Yes, he has some of the most targets.
Starting point is 00:14:29 Yes, he has some of those catches. In the goddamn regular season, when it mattered most, they allowed him to dictate whether he got the ball or not. And then at the end of the goddamn game, all of a sudden, he's supposed to make this historic, crazy goddamn catch when he hasn't been used. And he didn't win goddamn cold for three quarters straight. Playoff time, five for 40. Playoff time, four for 32. What the goddamn 11 game stretch of having no more than 50 yards.
Starting point is 00:15:01 Like, come on, come on. Oh, Joe, I'm not arguing with it. But I'm just trying to to let me ask you a question you say uh buffalo didn't make it to the afc championship game and they didn't make it out of it with stephon diggs on that team that didn't make it to the afc championship game or to the super bowl yes so they can get that far they can get just as far without him as they did with it and save themselves 35 minutes see what you don't what you fail to realize. Oh, well, that's a whole nother story.
Starting point is 00:15:27 You heard me? I ain't even bring up the goddamn salary cap hit. What does that tell you? If somebody would eat, that's the largest non-quarterback dead money in NFL history. So what does that tell you, Ocho? You know why it's the largest? Because what does
Starting point is 00:15:43 the cap do every year? What does the market do every year? But no. Okay, I have a question. How about this? What if Steph was an angel? He was an angel. And he didn't say nothing. You think the goddamn Buffalo Bills
Starting point is 00:15:57 were still going to take on that goddamn... Yes. Come on, man. Yes. You know they wasn't going to take on no $31, $28 million cap hit. Oh, so you know they wasn't go take on no 31 28 million dollar i told you what was gonna happen i told you what's gonna happen you ain't wanna listen to me hold on i listen he didn't want to be there anyway i told you that i knew that i understood that
Starting point is 00:16:17 but i i tried to defend it because i felt there was no better situation from a quarterback perspective than being in Buffalo. And then all of a sudden, what did I say? I say, man, if Stefan Diggs leave, if Stefan Diggs leave Buffalo, whenever I see him, I'm going to beat his ass. Now I said it in a joking manner because I was thinking about situations that would be good for him outside of Buffalo. This motherfucking went to Houston. Well, goddamn, I run through the streets of Houston butt-ass naked if I was Stephon Diggs because I'm going to an even better situation because now I got Nico Collins, I got Tank Dale, I have a rookie quarterback that had one of the most historic
Starting point is 00:16:56 seasons of all time, and that's where I'm going to play. Now that I think about it, when I was in Buffalo, hell, we get to the playoffs, what do the team do? Oh, we just going to double Diggs. And what do the Buffalo Bills officer coordinator do? Oh, we're going to let y'all double him, and we're just going to work everybody else instead of force feed the ball or put Diggs in positions to make plays. Now, wait, wait, let me finish, baby.
Starting point is 00:17:19 I'm going to let you talk. Stay with me now. Now, in Houston, you got Nico Collins, you got Tank Dale, and you have Stephon Diggs. Who they gonna double? Who they gonna double? Now, defensive coordinator, you're gonna have to pick your poison. Now you gotta pick your poison.
Starting point is 00:17:33 Stephon Diggs gonna get 170 targets with those other two guys there? I have a question. But you gotta answer that question and I'll answer it. Okay, stay with me. He doesn't need 170 targets. So why did he need them in Buffalo?
Starting point is 00:17:50 That's the way to defend him. That's the way to defend him. But let me tell you what he can do. I bet he had about 1,300, 1,400 yards. Can I tell you why? Can I tell you why? Do you remember the 2008? No, wait. Was it 2012 or 2008? Do you remember the 2008? No, wait.
Starting point is 00:18:05 Was it 2012 or 2008? What year was the Cardinals? What year did the Arizona Cardinals have 3,000-yard receivers? I'm not sure. Chat, chat. Was it 2008 or 2012? I'm, man, god damn, my memory's bad. But here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:18:24 I don't think you understand what he's going to do with that. I understand but I understand you don't understand that His targets are not gonna be what they were That you know, you're not but he's so efficient. Why did he do? Why did he do what he did? Why did he do that in Buffalo? He was efficient. Look at the numbers the past four years in Buffalo. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about last year. Hold on. Even teammate Shaquille, Khalil Shaquille, had more yards on 37 fewer targets in the last seven games.
Starting point is 00:18:58 Did you? Hold on. In the last seven games, Khalil Shaquille had more yards than one Stephon Diggs on 32 fewer targets. So if he's going to be that efficient. Now, we're not going to do that. We're not going to do that. You know, the play that they're running for him is them goddamn shallows, them goddamn crosses.
Starting point is 00:19:17 And Shakur was running routes. He was running intermediate routes and deep balls. So Stephon Diggs didn't run any of that. He didn't run none of those routes. Do you know they allowed Stephon Diggs to disappear the last 11 weeks of the season? They purposely, so we could be having a discussion
Starting point is 00:19:35 and saying that there's a dip in his production that allowed him to disappear the last 11 weeks of the season. Oh, Joe, it's okay. And I'm going to put it to you like this. Listen, let me ask you a question. I took my glasses off. That's how serious you know I am.
Starting point is 00:19:47 If a man, let's say he's worth $5 billion and he doesn't have a prenup and he's willing to give his wife half, what does that tell you? He's tired of that and he's willing to give up half of his net worth to move on they're willing to take on a 31 million dollar dead cap hit for a quarterback what does that tell you well it tells me that the window of opportunity is closing you might as well move on anyway he was in the house he got burnt up in the house too so in other words in, in other words, to make a long story short, and I'm sorry, I made a, I was long and made it longer than what it should have been.
Starting point is 00:20:29 They're saying, if we can only get to, if we can only get to the divisional round with Stefan Diggs, we can get that far without him. Oh, oh, oh, you can,
Starting point is 00:20:40 you can. So who the hell are you going to throw the, who the hell, who the hell are you going to throw the goddamn ball to to even get there let me hear this let me hear this who they gonna throw the ball to even get there i'm just i'm just asking i'm just asking because let me let me let me let me tell you something let me tell you something what's gonna happen when there's no true number one receiver on the goddamn field and when you drop back it ain't nowhere to go with the goddamn ball let's be realistic what happens when you don't have it ain't nowhere to go with the goddamn ball. Let's be realistic. What happens when
Starting point is 00:21:06 you don't have a prolific, elite route runner that changes the dynamic of your offense? It's going to be a cold day in hell in Buffalo when you realize that. I don't care who the fuck you get in the draft. No disrespect to none of them young bulls
Starting point is 00:21:22 coming out. It ain't no step on this. You said that in Minnesota with the draft pick they got from Buffalo. Guess who tell the people at home who they selected in Minnesota? Justin Jefferson. You think is there Justin Jefferson? Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Starting point is 00:21:37 We talk about the Buffalo Bills that pick what? Pick what? 28? Is there somebody in this draft? Are you trying to equate somebody in the draft? So they can't trade up? Have you ever heard of trading up? Let me stay with you real quick. Marvin Harrison Jr. is going to be going top five. Malik
Starting point is 00:21:57 Neighbors is going to be going top 10. There's one more young boy. What's the young boy? There's one more young boy. From LSU. From LSU. He. From LSU. He went number 11. He went number 11. Hey, they're going to be gone.
Starting point is 00:22:10 Ain't going to be no trade-up and ain't nobody giving up. Ain't nobody allowing the Buffalo Bills to go get them. Why not? Or trading their pick for them. Man, those are
Starting point is 00:22:19 generational talents that's been to go them first three. They out of their top 10, them boys gone. They are gone. What is buffalo willing to mortgage to move up to get a top receiver if that's what they choose to do now maybe they're they're content with khalil shakir or wandell robinson elijah more i don't know ocho i don't know i have nothing but i have nothing but respect for the receivers out in Buffalo right now.
Starting point is 00:22:47 Nothing but respect. But there is a difference between Steph and everyone else you named that's still on the roster. I'm sure they're good. I haven't had an opportunity to sit down and watch them boys. I haven't. So I can't say anything bad about them. But what we're not going to do is we're not going to discredit the body of work and the skill set of Stephon Dixon and what he can't fucking do. But I'm just trying.
Starting point is 00:23:07 Because you're just saying they can't put up with it. And where was he? He was there. They weren't fucking using him. They weren't using him. But you missed the point of what I'm saying. Even great Randy Maul and T.O., those teams didn't replace their production. But they're saying you're more problem than you're worth.
Starting point is 00:23:27 What don't you get about that? I mean, well, listen, if you're not a problem, they're going to get rid of you any goddamn way. Because it's the way the business works. Better get rid of Larry Fitzgerald. OK, listen, he is the motherfucking model citizen. He's a model citizen. I'm saying what you're saying. He's a he's a model. He's a model citizen i'm better what you're saying he's a he's a model he's a model citizen on and off the field and who and who you think everybody want to be like that i'm just
Starting point is 00:23:52 saying no oh no it's the same no you make it seem like what everybody everybody does not want to operate like that that's not the way everybody's that works for larry fitzgerald that doesn't work for stephanie and then work Diggs. It didn't work for T.O. and it didn't work for me. But what you're trying to make it seem like, it doesn't matter the job. If you become more problem than you're worth, they'll get rid of your ass at Google, Apple,
Starting point is 00:24:15 AT&T. That's all I'm saying. Listen, I understand that. Listen, your girl will get rid of you. Your girl will get rid of you. Your girl will get rid of you. That's all. The same concept. And not just football.
Starting point is 00:24:30 It's in life in general. That's all. Yeah, but I'm trying to dive deeper in the context. And even if you are getting rid of one of the greatest, one of the best, especially in today's game. And I don't like the fact that we will nitpick at certain things that out is out of his control but i can dive a little deeper and tell you why the numbers look the way they do i can tell you why he's upset i can tell you i can tell you why he's lashing out and and having those emotions where he's considered a diva or he's cancerous or no because he understands I can help us win these games.
Starting point is 00:25:06 There's no reason why I should be in a playoff game and have four or three catches for 40 yards, and we're really talking about, like, oh, come on, man. Are we really trying to win? One more thing. I have a question. I have a question for you, Jack.
Starting point is 00:25:21 Stay with me, baby. Jack, I have a question for you. Last year, last year, or just in general, let's be realistic. Who is the Buffalo Bills best offensive weapon?
Starting point is 00:25:30 Josh Allen. Oh. He has the ball in his hand. Outside of Josh Allen, who is the Bills best offensive weapon? Okay, you can say Stephon Diggs.
Starting point is 00:25:43 No, no, man. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do me like that, babyiggs don't do me like that baby don't do me like that what's your point he was their best offensive weapon outside of Josh Allen they got to the divisional round
Starting point is 00:25:57 the Buffalo Bills says you know what with more heart we can get that disgruntledness that dissatisfaction that's unhappiness out of here and still get to the divisional round. Guess what? You want to bet they don't? I can bet you they don't. But see, what you fail to realize is that the way teams and businesses operate, they'll sacrifice a year or two to get that out
Starting point is 00:26:26 of the office place or the locker room. You know that. That sacrifice you talk about, guess where the coach going to be? Guess where the coach going to be? Okay. I'm just saying, this sacrifice we talk about, guess who's going to suffer? The coach.
Starting point is 00:26:43 The coach is going to suffer because he's going to get fired. Because if they don't find anybody, i'm telling you now they ain't they're not you're not gonna be able to replace it this ain't no just no any old goddamn right receiver and i don't like the fact that we're talking about him like he's just any old goddamn right receiver matter of fact he's so goddamn good that's why he parted the goddamn discussion to open up that cap but he's going on to he's going on to a better situation. And I want to talk about what he's going to do with goddamn Tank Dale,
Starting point is 00:27:09 Nico Collins, and CJ Shrout. You remember? Yes, sir. How many Super Bowls? The last two Super Bowls. Who won the last two Super Bowls? The Chiefs? Their best receiver.
Starting point is 00:27:19 Where did he end up going? Because the Chiefs said he's going to be more of a problem because if we don't give him what he's asking for, he's going to cause a problem. We're better. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, it's easy to do that, though, when you have probably
Starting point is 00:27:34 the greatest talent to be at the helm at the quarterback position. If you don't have a Patrick Mahomes, there's no way to overcome that. Are you saying Josh Allen is Patrick Mahomes? I believe Josh Allen is the top five quarterback. No, no. Nobody is Patrick Bowen.
Starting point is 00:27:47 Okay, I have a question. I have a question. So you're saying with them getting rid of Stephon Diggs, despite the production or not being able to replace the production, they're going to bring somebody else in, and Josh Allen is going to be able to carry the team and be able to make up for that loss of production with Stephon Diggs gone. That's it. Which Mahomes is proving he can do. carry the team and be able to make up for that loss of production, what Stefan did going at the,
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Starting point is 00:31:04 and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. at the end of the day Ocho if you don't win the day gonna end at the end of the day the day gonna end that's what Glo said
Starting point is 00:31:33 but here's the thing Ocho if you don't win the title what have you actually done so having Stephon Diggs that's what you saying you said that production where they gonna get that so what did that production get me?
Starting point is 00:31:46 To the divisional round. Okay. What did it get me after that, Ocho? Did it get me to an AFC championship game? Did it get me to a Super Bowl? So in other words, you want me to stomach all that bull jive that he's doing, the behavior that he's displaying. You want me to stomach that?
Starting point is 00:32:04 Why are we acting? This has always been a part of football in general. I mean, come on, man. And guess what? What's also been a part of football? I told you it depends on who's doing it. Then it's behavior. Then it's an issue.
Starting point is 00:32:17 Then it's cancerous. It all depends on who's doing it. The only person that's exempt from the bad behavior is the quarterback. No other position is going to be able to do that, Ocho, especially a wide receiver. You know that. You make it seem like this is all of a sudden just happening. Go back.
Starting point is 00:32:35 They're not going to let you do it, Ocho. And these guys are not going to change it. If a team will eat 85 million, what do you think they'll do with 31 million? What you think? They ate 50 million with Rodgers. What you think they'll do? Yeah, I understand it. It's the nature of the business.
Starting point is 00:32:53 It's the nature of the beast. It has always been that way. They want you to be robots. They want you to be these model citizens. Show no passion. Show no emotion. Just sit on the sideline when things don't go wrong. Just bear out.
Starting point is 00:33:07 Show nothing. That's not the way we operate. That's not the way we are when it comes to playing the game of football. The game of football is a game of emotion and passion and highs and lows, peaks and valleys. And that's just the way it is. And depending on who you are, especially receivers that happen to wear their emotions on their sleeve, did I say it right that time? We get that label. And I understand. And if you play the game, which you have, you understand why he's feeling that way. You understand why he has those outbursts sometimes, but we tend to overlook that purposely can i ask you a question
Starting point is 00:33:47 wait a minute give me a minute so i can answer let me wipe my head because i'm i'm in his sweat i i like this shit i could talk about this bitch here for a goddamn hour i like it so the street out from your house you go out there and people say, hey, Elcho, on Monday, Tuesdays, and Fridays, the cops out there. Yes, sir. So make sure you drive within the speed limit. You know the cops
Starting point is 00:34:11 are out there Monday, Tuesdays, and Fridays, or Monday, Wednesdays, and Fridays. On Monday, Wednesdays, and Fridays, how are you going to
Starting point is 00:34:19 drive on that street? True. 16 miles an hour. So if receivers know that their behavior is not going to be tolerated and it's going to be judged and look that differently than the quarterback why exhibit that behavior so basically what you're telling me is because they have a certain set of rules in place we need you to suppress who you actually are to please them. Man, get that money. Go ahead and make $200 million
Starting point is 00:34:47 and then you act a fool. Say, I hated every minute of being where I was, but you know what? I ain't sacrificing none of this money. I don't like it. I don't like it. Hey, I got another question for you. Hey, chat, stay with me, right?
Starting point is 00:35:00 You ready? The NFL, during the tenure that I played, had a set of rules. And if you break those rules, they take your money and they fine you, right? Did I ever stop getting fined? No, that means you didn't care about your finances.
Starting point is 00:35:18 Wait, listen to me. Let me tell you something. I'm one of the best, especially when it comes to finances, when it comes to saving money. You know why I never stopped getting fined? Because the NFL is all about control. The NFL feels, as players,
Starting point is 00:35:31 how do we keep these motherfuckers in line? You take what they value most, the money. I didn't care about the money. I was going to make it regardless. Stay with me now real quick. I'm going to play the game. I was going to make it. I was going to make it regardless. I'm playing. Stay with me now real quick. I'm going to play the game of football the way I feel it should be played and the way I played it as a little kid coming out of Liberty City Optimist. I'm going to come out here and smile.
Starting point is 00:35:53 I'm going to talk my shit. And when I get in the end zone, I'm going to celebrate. I'm not going to act like I've been there before because I haven't. I worked my ass off to get to this point. I done practiced goddamn all goddamn week. And if I get in this damn end zone, I'm gonna act like I never been there before because I haven't been.
Starting point is 00:36:12 In the NFL, again, they take your money because it's the only way they think they can control us because they think that's what they think we value most. Most of us do. Well, goddamn, I gotta behave because if I don't behave they're gonna take my money that's the whip that's how they keep niggas in line oh shit i'm sorry my bad my bad my bad god i'm sorry i'm thinking we in the bar shop let me ask you this but you get
Starting point is 00:36:34 what i'm trying to say right that's that's right that's how they keep you in line we know if you take me if we if we take his money we can get into behavior let me ask you a question if my bad seriously seriously if the the NFL had deemed your behavior conduct detrimental to the NFL, it would have been more than a fine, wouldn't it? Uniform ain't conduct detrimental. Your team
Starting point is 00:36:56 didn't view what you were doing as conduct detrimental. As a matter of fact, they said, you know what? Coach, you're the model teammate. He ain't causing no problems. Therein lies the difference. His team has started to say, this is becoming a distraction. This is starting to drive a wedge in between the team
Starting point is 00:37:15 because you got some guys that were team step and there's some guys that are like, man, this behavior is not conducive for us winning. So now- And you know what? I like that. I like that you did now. And you know what? I like that. I like that you did that. But you know what else it does?
Starting point is 00:37:28 Is if he was a model citizen, they would have found any goddamn way to make sure they can't blame it on the quarterback. So the fact that he was one that showed his emotion while he was playing, it made him an easy target to take the attention off of the actual problems on why they were failing yeah that's that's what that's what it does you you know no we focusing on digs and digs showing emotion while playing the game and not really address addressing the real issue the elephant in the room on why they're not getting to the asd champion or making it to the super bowls that window of opportunity closing and it has nothing to do with Stephon goddamn Diggs. But he becomes the target of the conversation because he's the easy target.
Starting point is 00:38:10 If he's there, why doesn't he bear any culpability with the transgression? He does. He does. But he's the easy target because he is the face. He is the offense. He's the one that they're saying is disgruntled and showing emotion on the sideline.
Starting point is 00:38:25 But let's address all the other issues on why they're not making it, because that has nothing to do with Stephon Diggs in general. That's a deeper conversation that I really can't dig into. We're not all the facts right here in front of me. But it's not like in these playoff games that he's balling out, that he's going for a buck 90 and three touchdowns? I'm glad you just said that. I'm glad you just said that. A buck 90 with three touchdowns. You know, with a buck 90 with three touchdowns,
Starting point is 00:38:55 the opportunities have to come in bulk. They have to come in volume. Because they're already... When the Buffalo Bills break the huddle, the defense makes their set with on wherever stefan digs lines up that's how they call their defense to play hey 14 is left 14 in the slot with my help with my help man we finna man come on now that that there's a and there's i think what we could do but we don't have time to and And if I had the numbers in front of me, I could really, really break it down game by game.
Starting point is 00:39:29 As you can see how we did in the regular season and the last 11 weeks of the season and how it carried over into the playoffs and how the numbers suffered drastically. And how they allow team to take him away. And instead of finding ways to force-feed him the ball and finding ways to put him in position to make plays, to kind of change the outcome of the game, no, they didn't do that. We didn't do that. They didn't do that. Sometimes players can allow themselves to be taken away
Starting point is 00:39:58 by moping and pouting on the field. Let's hear what Deshaun Jackson thinks he knows why Stephon Diggs left Buffalo. D-Jack. Let's hear what Deshaun Jackson thinks he knows why Stephon Diggs left Buffalo. D-Jack. It's deeper. Like you said, it's not just him not being a football player or being able to, you know, get the statistics. You know, it's something deeper. I can't sit here and tell you.
Starting point is 00:40:16 I know, but I just know as far as quarterback, receiver, they really didn't have... I wouldn't say they went eye-to-eye, but it was just more of him wanting to win, I think. You know what I'm saying? And I don't feel like he thought they was going to be able to beat the Chiefs. That's AFC East. I'm not the AFC East. The AFC Conference is the Chiefs.
Starting point is 00:40:32 And I feel like I think he would rather go with the young quarterback and, you know, a new team that's driving. I mean, it's thriving instead of staying with the Bills where they every year are getting beat by the Chiefs. He didn't think they could beat the Chiefs. That's a statement right there. I mean, that's... Hey, man, we've seen it year after year after year. I mean, what is it?
Starting point is 00:40:50 About four or five years? It's been tough. They couldn't beat Cincinnati either. They couldn't beat Cincinnati either. I mean, yeah, listen, because they got Joe Burrow. What you expect? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:41:02 So let me ask you a question. Was he there when they lost to uh uh joe scheisse in cincinnati with stephon digg did he play okay yes i listen i don't that's not fair don't don't do me like that i don't i really don't have numbers in front of me to really to really argue back and go and fight tooth and nail on every little thing but again with the homie with d jack said with the homie on hood i love d jack and he has an understanding i don't think he really wanted to say it like he like he wanted to based on where but i'll say it for him i'll say it for him he's going to a better situation josh allen is great
Starting point is 00:41:35 as great as he is he's going to have to show he's as good as we think he is without that elite talent around him. He's going to have to show it now because, again, when you don't have a true number one, things get very difficult when you don't have a guy that you can count on come hell or high water
Starting point is 00:41:55 where I can put a blindfold on my quarterback and snap the ball and know I can count on this dude nine times out of ten to get open for me. Interesting. So he don't want to grind it out. He want to go jump to a ready made.
Starting point is 00:42:09 That's not here. No, but that's okay. I'll, Hey, that already made team. Ready? May I play off last year? Did you take a go to the playoff last year with a rookie quarterback?
Starting point is 00:42:17 So are you saying that's a ready made team? That's a ready made team of the fact that they got lucky and got one of the best quarterback. Don't you do that? The playoffs last year, the city that they got lucky and got one of the best quarterbacks. Man, don't you do that. Did they make the playoffs last year? The Kansas City Chiefs is a ready-made team. Did they make the playoffs? Did they win 10 wins last year?
Starting point is 00:42:32 Yes or no? Hold on. The Bills made the playoffs last year. That's my point. So, the Bills is a ready-made team too then, right? Yes. That's a team. Okay.
Starting point is 00:42:45 Listen, we're going to see. We're going to see. Here's the thing. Now watch how Josh Allen numbers struggle without Stephon Diggs. And we're going to come back to this issue when we do a nightcap chat. Y'all remember when the season come and we're going to bring this up. I'm going to say, I'm going to look at it. I'm going to say what I told you.
Starting point is 00:43:02 All I'm going to say is this. This is 13. He wanted out. He he wanted out he wanted out of minnesota listen to ocho he wanted out of minnesota he wasn't getting the target he felt he was the best okay they obliged him he went to buffalo he got he was a most targets, most catches, I think, third or fourth in yards. Yeah. In yards. He wasn't happy at some point in time. It's not the destination. It's not. It's not. It's not Bali. It's not the Maldives. It's not Santorini. It's the visitor that's going to visit these places. That's unhappy.
Starting point is 00:43:44 Well, I don't. OK. OK. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. The person visiting when he goes to Bali, when he goes to the Bahamas, when he goes to the Maldives, he wants to have a great experience. And while he's there on that experience, he's going to do all he can to make sure that he gets that experience with the amenities that are at his disposal. So when he's doing his job because the numbers reflect just that at Minnesota, the numbers reflect just that at Buffalo, well, goddamn, I'm not getting the goddamn results I want. Well, shit.
Starting point is 00:44:18 I really don't have no goddamn problem. Well, send me the fuck on elsewhere. So he's the only one that didn't get the results he wanted. Everybody else got the results they wanted in Buffalo except him. Well, send me to fuck on elsewhere. He's the only one that didn't get the results he wanted. Everybody else got the results they wanted in Buffalo except him. No, but I mean, everybody else ain't getting shit done. Everybody else was
Starting point is 00:44:32 trying to be passive-aggressive on the internet, which I told you. Listen, but wait a minute. Wait a minute. Let's read into this. You got to understand, he's in a better place. He's in a better place than he could be a he's in a better place than he you you and i we discussed you and i've been discussing this for like 35 minutes and all i'm saying is this is that hold on we've been talking for 35 minutes but all i'm saying is this is that i told you this day was coming sooner rather than later
Starting point is 00:44:59 you did you did you did you did and i kind of tried to argue the fact because I love Steph. I love Josh Allen. And I understand that little dynamic and what they have was great. And I also understood the window opportunity was closing, especially how they allow team to take him away when it matters most. I just I just didn't want to say I just didn't want to agree with you. So I was arguing just to argue the fact. Just to be honest. Dwight Freeney spoke to PMAC today, Pat McAfee, and talked about the current rules in the NFL and compared to the rules during his career. Freeney, I'd retire at the perfect time.
Starting point is 00:45:36 Do you agree? I mean, Dwight Freeney said it. Tom Brady's come out and said it. Many other players have come out and said it about the way the game has changed in general. And everyone has addressed their sentiments on the direction of the game to this point. Um, again,
Starting point is 00:46:00 the NFL is doing it. What's the key word that they say is for what safety, right? Yeah. The key word that they say is for what safety, right? Yeah, the key word is for safety, but there are other little things that they continue to put in to continue to drive and generate revenue. Yeah, like to continue to continue to drive and generate revenue, because at the end of the day, the NFL will always be about their money. It come, there's no other way around it. Always. Even though they will lead
Starting point is 00:46:29 and preach about safety as much as they do and try to change the game for the betterment of the players and long-term. NFL don't write checks. They receive checks. So let me tell you
Starting point is 00:46:41 how much they care about safety. You know, Christmas falls on Wednesday this year. what they're gonna have on Wednesday Ocho guess what they're gonna have on Thursday also Ocho guess what they're gonna have on Friday Ocho don't get me if I'm wrong
Starting point is 00:46:57 now football game guess what they're gonna have on Saturday Ocho guess what they're gonna have on Sunday Ocho so you mean to tell me a team's gonna play unless you got a bye week so you mean to tell me a team's going to play unless you got a bye week? So you mean to tell me a team's going to play Sunday and then turn right around and play again on Wednesday?
Starting point is 00:47:12 Hey. But everything that we do, Ocho, is for safety. It's for safety. Listen, you got to be able to see through the smoke and mirrors and understand what it is at the end of the day. You got to be able to see through it. I mean, it's great for us the end of the day. You got to be able to see through it. I mean, it's great for us.
Starting point is 00:47:27 You know, we're going to be on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. We're going to be rolling. We're rolling six days straight. Right, right. But I'm just saying, I think the thing is that if people really saw down, like, I understand, look, there are
Starting point is 00:47:43 certain elements of the game that they try to take out. I understand the horse collar, and I understand the hip drop, and I understand a lot of things, Ocho, but you can't say safety is our number one concern and then you add a game. And then you look, and they say, well, in 2030, we're looking to go to 18
Starting point is 00:47:59 game schedule. Yeah. I mean, damn near, you're going to be, hey, O Ocho pretty soon. They're going to be playing damn near the March. And then guess what? A lot of teams have already started OTAs. Yeah. Oh, you know what? That's right. That's right. Right, right. I mean, off-season program.
Starting point is 00:48:16 Yeah, they started. They started this week. So if you push everything back, let's just say two weeks. The Super Bowl this year was what? February 11th, February 12th? Push it back two weeks. The Super Bowl this year was what? February 11th, February 12th? Push it back two weeks. Now the combine is probably the second, third week. And then you got...
Starting point is 00:48:32 What? Yeah. So how safe are you really trying to make it? So we agree on that. All smoking mirrors. Made for This Mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles, break free from the chains of trauma, and silence the negative voices that have kept them small.
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Starting point is 00:49:25 well-being, and climb your personal mountain. Because it's impossible for you to be the most authentic you. It's impossible for you to love you fully if all you're doing is living to please people. Your mountain is that. Listen to Made for This Mountain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding, but the price has gone up. So now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on,
Starting point is 00:50:14 why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Businessweek editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams, and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick. Hey, I want to learn about VeChain. I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing. So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything
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Starting point is 00:51:39 most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Rasheed Rice was driving the Lamborghini involved in the crash, his lawyer says. Rasheed Rice was driving the Lamborghini involved in the crash, his lawyer says. Rasheed Rice was driving the Lamborghini involved in a multi-crash in northeast Dallas on Saturday night, his lawyer said in a Thursday news conference. Police
Starting point is 00:52:13 say that the drivers of the Lamborghini and a Corvette was speeding and lost control at the time of the crash. The Lamborghini hit a set of medium walls, causing a chain reaction collision involving four of the vehicles. The driver of the Lamborghini and Corvette ran from the scene. Two of the other drivers involved in the crash were treated at the scene for minor injuries and two occupants of another vehicle was taken to the hospital with minor injuries. On Wednesday, Rice claimed full responsibility for his part in the crash in an Instagram story.
Starting point is 00:52:43 Nobody cares about anybody else that was driving the Corvette because they're not in the NFL and they're not even not Rishi Wright. Today, I met with the Dallas PD investigators regarding the Saturday's accident.
Starting point is 00:52:53 I take full responsibility for my part in the matter and will continue to cooperate with the necessary authorities. I sincerely apologize to everyone impacted in Saturday's accident. Yeah. You know what they're going to say? Yeah, they'll, what? Too driving too fast sincerely apologize to everyone impacted inside of this accident.
Starting point is 00:53:05 Yeah. You know what they're going to say to you? Yeah, they'll, what, too driving too fast, good conditions and reckless driving, but failing to render aid. He left the scene, Ocho. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
Starting point is 00:53:20 You know, I'm not good when it comes to law, especially laws of this matter as far as leaving the scene of an accident or rendering aid. Do you understand the punishment? For one, I think Rasheed Rice needed something like this. He needed something like this, not about getting in trouble, but to understand the people that he's surrounding himself with to understand the people that he's surrounding himself with they mean him no good to even allow him to be doing the things that he was doing again if you have a group of people somebody got to be the brains somebody got to be the brains for him if he's not going to be thinking straight you got to somebody has to keep order.
Starting point is 00:54:06 Somebody has to keep that discipline in the entourage that you got. Everybody can't be a dummy. Everybody can't. Somebody got to be the brains of the group. Hey, yo.
Starting point is 00:54:17 Man, listen, man. If we going wherever we going, we can't be out here racing. Yeah. That's a felony. That's a felony. We can't be doing that. That's him running. Failing to end the raid. He can't... Leaving the racing yeah that's sad by sad how are you speeding those are felonies we can't we can't be doing that failing to end the raid you can't leaving the seat of a crime doing that
Starting point is 00:54:30 speeding too fast for condition reckless driving i mean i don't probably they left the scene who knows if they was intoxicated because now you bring a whole new charge into the mix luckily luckily no one was seriously injured or that's what they're saying now once they find out who it was all of a sudden they're gonna miss some time but you know how that works oh joe oh yeah yeah most definitely most definitely again but on the back end sometimes you need to make this mistake in life when you're young because it Because it takes situations or moments like this
Starting point is 00:55:06 to sit your ass down and understand and reflect. Sometimes you don't get a second chance. At some point he's going to, after he, obviously the NFL is probably going to come down. Yeah, he'll miss, I think he'll miss a minimum of two games.
Starting point is 00:55:23 Probably somewhere between two to three maybe four the high end probably appeal it get down to two yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:55:30 but still sometimes you need stuff like this to reel your to reel your ass back in but again when you're high
Starting point is 00:55:36 when you're on your high horse when you're making a little money you got some friends you're coming off a Super Bowl win you feel
Starting point is 00:55:41 you feel invincible you feel invincible and this this is God's way of saying, all right, now. Now, you take all this shit for granted if you want to. Let me reel your ass back in and sit you down. Yeah. And he'll sit you down every time. Every time.
Starting point is 00:55:59 Just to humble you real quick. And then check the people around you. Check the people around you. Because somebody got to be the brains. Ocho. He's the golden ticket, right? If you got an entourage, if you got an entourage and you know
Starting point is 00:56:13 the golden ticket is with you, come on, man. You don't even let the golden ticket move like that. You think it long term. Ocho, but you know sometimes, Ocho, you know how we are, Ocho. Man, this is my money. Sit, Ocho. Hey, you can you think a long time, but, you know, sometimes, Ocho, you know how we are, Ocho. Man, this is my money.
Starting point is 00:56:26 Sit, Ocho. Hey, you can leave if you want to. You don't like what I'm doing, Ocho. Come on now. You know how we are, Ocho. Don't don't never. And if you got if you got a camp full of yes men, they don't need to be around you then. But you got to have somebody that can be able to tell you whether you got money or not.
Starting point is 00:56:43 Man, listen, we ain't doing this. Matter of fact, you ain't doing that. But let me ask you this, Ocho. What's the likelihood of you doing something in a public setting and nobody's capturing it? Be it CCTV, maybe the stores have it. Maybe there's cameras around the city or somebody with their camera phone. Because people got them coming. Somehow they showed up on, they had people walking away from the scene so it had to be so what's the likelihood of you doing something
Starting point is 00:57:10 and getting away with especially in public yeah i mean that is it today's time their cameras everywhere cameras are everywhere so you ain't getting away with nothing no, no case, no name, no blame. Yeah, I saw his face and we knew his name. So that's it. You know, it's very unfortunate. And thankfully, he needs to thank the lucky stars above and to the man above that nobody was seriously injured because we just thought we just saw an incident a couple of days, a couple of years before he got there when Andy Reid's son was drinking and ended up physically, she's going to need her parents' assistance for the rest of her life.
Starting point is 00:57:58 He just... The story that was plastered all across was Henry Ruggs, Ocho. Some things, Ocho, like I said, some things you don't think, and maybe because it was so far, I don't know Henry Ruggs. Man, I wasn't here when Andy's son
Starting point is 00:58:21 did what he did. Right. So maybe it's not it wasn't close enough for him but bro at this point in time man come on guys you're gonna make some mistakes
Starting point is 00:58:36 but man I'm just trying and I knock on wood I'm very fortunate like I said once I did that that the mistake doesn't cost someone or you your life. Life, yeah. That's a terrible, that's a terrible, imagine you got to bear that for the rest of your life, that your carelessness, your recklessness,
Starting point is 00:58:59 your negligence, because how do you say sorry to somebody? Just imagine somebody having to give your mom and father that your family that message that your son or daughter isn't coming home tonight and never coming back home.
Starting point is 00:59:18 Now imagine you are the responsible party that caused somebody to have to go tell somebody else's family. They're not coming home. Yes! That's tough. Ocho, that's how I think.
Starting point is 00:59:36 How can I make sure I get home? Because I don't want nobody to deliver that news to my family and my kids. And I damn sure don't want to be the responsible party
Starting point is 00:59:44 to have somebody have to deliver it to their family and my kids, and I damn sure don't want to be the responsible party to have somebody have to deliver it to their family and their kids. Right. I mean, you know, at the time when you're doing stuff, you don't really think about it, especially when you're young. You're not thinking like that. When you're young. Absolutely not.
Starting point is 00:59:59 You're not thinking like that. You're not thinking like that at all. But I like the fact that the greatest apology is change behavior i'm glad that he accepted responsibility and accountability for his actions and uh guys uh other professional athletes and people that's watching this podcast. Come on. Let's do better. Let's do better. Guys,
Starting point is 01:00:31 thank you so, so much. Ocho. Boy, I told you. These mad capers, we passed the Kelsey's with the Webby's. Yeah, we passed them so far. That's good, baby. Hey, I appreciate y'all. Matter of fact, I'm sending everybody in the chat $1,000. Let's go. Hey. Matter of fact, I'm sending everybody in the chat $1,000. Let's go.
Starting point is 01:00:47 Me and Unc, we're sending everybody in the chat $1,000. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Unc ain't got no bread right now. Unc, money jump funny. Huh? No, I don't jump funny because you just showed us a watch that cost $200,000 the other day. What watch I showed you, Ocho? What was that on your...
Starting point is 01:01:03 Ocho, what I showed you? What, Ocho? What's that on your... Ocho, what I told you? What, Ocho? What's that on your wrist? That's a Rolex. That's a Rolex. How much that cost? A little something, something, you know. A little something, something.
Starting point is 01:01:16 Well, listen, we... How many people we got in the chat right now? Chat, how many y'all it is? See, Ocho, see, the thing is, it's hard because then people start coming, sending fake accounts. Remember how we tried to do the money? Oh, okay, you know you're right. The next thing we know, we had 300 people
Starting point is 01:01:35 that had that account, and it's so hard. It had the same name. Okay, my bad, my bad, my bad. All right, Chad, we're going to think of something else. We're going to think of a way to bless y'all because if we win this goddamn Webby, if we win this Webby, I'm telling you,
Starting point is 01:01:48 I'm going to get... Remember I had the fake Uncle Nojo tattoo right here? The teardrop? I'm going to get one for real. No, Ocho, what you got? You got that Richard... What you got, Ocho?
Starting point is 01:02:00 Oh, this ain't nothing, but it's a Philip Klein. Okay. You know Philip Klein, right? It don't cost nothing like that right there. Oh, you thought it was a Richie Millie. You thought a neon green. You do realize if you give everybody in the chat a thousand dollars, that's 18 million dollars, right?
Starting point is 01:02:17 That's how much? 18 million. How many people we got watching? 18,000. Oh, shit. Okay. $20. $20. I'm tripping.
Starting point is 01:02:30 I didn't make you realize what you was saying. Dude. You know what? Matter of fact, like all boys should decide. Everybody in the chat, they know me. If I had money like McKenzie Bezos know my crazy ass to do it for real too yeah you see the way she's been giving away money huh god damn is there a catch to it that i don't know about that she knows just because it's that she deems worthy um 640 million to date well she's
Starting point is 01:03:01 giving 640 no no she's giving away more than million. No, no, she's given away more than that. She's given away billions. She's just given away 640 million probably this year. But I mean, she gave away like two, three billion like within the first six months that she got the settlement. All right, they got to be a catch. They got to be a catch.
Starting point is 01:03:16 She can't just be doing it just out the, just, is she doing it to piss Jeff off? Nah, Jeff don't care. Jeff, he's like the first or second richest man. He's worth200 billion. But remember,
Starting point is 01:03:29 see what I said? He was willing to do that. So what does that tell you? Oh, he wanted that office place. Okay. Think about it. I like how you did that. I like how you reverted back to the Buffalo situation. That was a good one. That was a good one. Check this out. Dallas Mayor Eric Johnson calls the Chiefs to move back to Texas Buffalo situation. That was a good one. That was a good one. Check this out. Dallas mayor,
Starting point is 01:03:45 Eric Johnson calls the chief to move back to Texas voters in Jackson County, Missouri rejected an effort by the chief to renovate Arrowhead stadium and build a new stadium for the Kansas city Royal mayor. Johnson posted an article about the vote. What it could mean for the future of the chief with a playful comments. Welcome home. Dallas,
Starting point is 01:04:02 Texas, the team that, uh, that is now known as the chief were founded in Dallas, Texas, 1959, by the great Lamar Hunt, who's the father of Kansas City Chiefs owner, before relocating to Kansas City. Clark Hunt is now the owner. His father, Lamar Hunt, coined the term super bowl um i don't think i don't think uh mayor johnson
Starting point is 01:04:29 like being mayor jerry ain't let no other team jerry ain't let no team come to dallas yeah absolutely not and he definitely not listen one of the things let me tell you let me tell you the problem can you imagine the chiefs going to d? No. Can you imagine that? Forget that part. How about the best team in Dallas isn't even the Cowboys right now? How about that? I mean, my bad, Texas.
Starting point is 01:04:54 Houston, Texas, yeah. Sorry. The best team. Jerry wasn't pleased about that. Jerry liked being alone. When the Houston Oilers moved out, he's like, oh, they went to Tennessee. They went to he like oh they went to Tennessee they went to Tennessee
Starting point is 01:05:06 he was like whoo yes but in 95 they said no so when the Texans came back in like 2000 so when the Texans came back like well damn
Starting point is 01:05:22 because you know everybody like being the only show in town. Because where'd you go? Where's the show? If I got the only convenience store within a five-mile radius, guess where you got
Starting point is 01:05:33 to do business at? If I only got the only sporting event, the only professional football team, guess where you got to go to get your football? Yeah, you're right. Right.
Starting point is 01:05:45 You're right. But there's some cowboys that's holding the football. Yeah, you're right. Right. You're right. There's some cowboys holding the topic, but I mean, listen, dude, man, he don't want to be man no more. They're not talking like that. Nah, definitely don't. Definitely don't. He trying to sabotage whatever it is he got going on. Ocho, LeBron James and J.J. Reddick both admitted
Starting point is 01:06:01 to watching their own highlights on YouTube from time to time, particularly during a slump. Ocho, do you watch your highlights? Yeah. But listen, let me tell you something. I've been retired, what, 12, 13 years? Man, I go to
Starting point is 01:06:17 family functions. You know I'm that uncle. At family functions, you know, the younger generation that might not know, I tell them the younger generation that might not know, I tell them, well, I was that boy now. I'll pull up my phone quick. Well, look at this.
Starting point is 01:06:30 No. I ain't Googling myself. No. If, like, on my timeline, like, there's, like, Mile High Sports or somebody say, on this date, uh,
Starting point is 01:06:42 Shannon Sharp or the Broncos did this, Shannon Sharp, and I'll look at it. But as far as, like, you're like okay on this no no oh no oh i listen i ain't got no shame i'm gonna show you who i was i'm gonna show you i sometimes you gotta let sometimes you gotta let the young folk know well you was that boy it's okay i'm gonna i'm gonna pull it up sometimes i watch my i sit i sit back i watch my highlights and i'd be like god damn i was really i was really good i was okay i was an okay receiver i was really good and i i just i look at some of the stuff i was able to do
Starting point is 01:07:19 and and you know it's funny you know the the worst part about it is is the fact that i still think i can do what i see on goddamn tape all right that's the worst part that's the worst part for me i in my mind i really you know how i talk confident now i still think i can do it i just you know the body the body and the mind and the brain the mind is willing but the body ain't able and you know the mind knows exactly what to do. But you know, ain't no spark plugs or spark plugs. Yeah. Oh, man. Hey, that's why I keep getting people to keep the boat water, but keep me a young one.
Starting point is 01:07:58 What are you going to do? Dad's spark plug. How are you going to get a spark? Okay. I like, I like, I like. Let me ask you a question. When your car went crank, what you do? You get a jump from another one.
Starting point is 01:08:12 That way I won't shake and crank when I'm young with jumping. Yeah. Boom. Get him. I pop right on him. I get it going Ocho but no but I tell you what I do do I do go to YouTube
Starting point is 01:08:29 and I look I was like damn Ocho at 6.4 million views how many more he need to get 6.5 or Coach Prime or I go back and look at that and see how many views you guys have gotten but I don't go back like I said if it don't come up on my timeline,
Starting point is 01:08:46 right. I mean, for the most, for the most part, I can tell you what I did. I did it. I did that. I did that.
Starting point is 01:08:53 And, and yeah, yeah, but it's different, man. When you, when, when you just go back and sit back and just have an appreciation for your
Starting point is 01:09:01 contribution in the NFL and just sit back and watch the highlights, man. It brings back great memories. Don't you go, when you go to Cincinnati, people tell you like, man, I remember y'all did this or you did that. Man, when I go back to Colorado, I was just back in Colorado like a week ago and to hear the people,
Starting point is 01:09:20 how they appreciate how I played and what I did and the contributions I gave to the Broncos. Right, man. I'll take I'll take the word for it. I take the word for it. I'm just that I'm just that I'm just that because I haven't been anywhere. Oh, so even when I went back home, I didn't I didn't like we have like we used to have get together and, you you know we just talked
Starting point is 01:09:45 about boy you bad boy you know it it made me feel good because those guys a lot of the people they grew up with me and they saw you know ever since I was a little boy and you know they would come watch me play in high school and and so but as I once I got to the league and I would go back home I never I never showed any of my highlights. No? Mm-mm. Nah. I mean, not in that setting.
Starting point is 01:10:10 Not in that setting, obviously. But listen, any family function that I go to, and the young kids, you know how they like the Cam Newton situation. How the young kids be talking trash. Now, sometimes there's such a huge gap from when the younger generation wasn't able to see me play and that family functions hey um i tell you no lie well i pull that shit up quick and i and i go inside and put the tv on airplay so it's planned well that's me yeah so it's planned on tv listen y'all y'all don't be sitting here talking no trash because what you talking i did that live right 24 7 in the line of fire when we're counting yeah i when i go back home ojo for the most part my um when i was going back home regular young in my career when they had kids uh
Starting point is 01:10:56 the way the uh the young ladies and and the men the guys they would always like tell the kids i went to school with mr shen they would always tell their kids, I went to school with Mr. Shen. They would always have their kids address me as Mr. He's in the NFL. And if you work hard and blah, blah, blah, maybe you can go there. Or maybe you can do this. I will say this. For the most part, I've really never had
Starting point is 01:11:17 to deal with any disrespect in my hometown. They always gave me love. Because, you know i was i was never i never even though i was in the nfl it wasn't like man i'm too good for y'all man whatever we joke we laugh had a good time we come over to have cookouts uh i remember one uh i was i was in the hotel and somebody was blowing the horn i'm like who the lord is i'm like, who the blowing this? I'm back. So Ocho, you know I'm on one. You know how my patience is, Ocho. I said that. I remember
Starting point is 01:11:48 saying, man, if they blow this horn one more time. Man, that joker laid on the horn. Man, I would put my shorts on. It was somebody you knew, huh? It's my crazy ass homeboy. Hey, y'all. We're able to cook out today. I said, where? At your house. Let me say it. It's my crazy ass homeboy. Hey, y'all. We're able to cook out today.
Starting point is 01:12:07 I said, where? At your house. Let me say this, okay? I said, what y'all have? He said, man. I said, what y'all? I said, man, we got $100. We have a good old cookout.
Starting point is 01:12:24 I said, with $100? $100? They they was gonna have a cookout with a hundred dollars right right I said what kind of say man I don't know what you're thinking man a hundred dollars go a long way with a cookout I said they ain't gonna buy no liquor so I gave some money and then I said I tell you what I'm gonna do I'm gonna come back in June and I'm going to lay it out for y'all. Man, what you mean? So I had some people. I knew some people. I got Budweiser to donate some beer. I got
Starting point is 01:12:53 Coors Light to donate some beer. They brought the trucks that you see at the convenience store. Went up. Set the beer. Boom. I went and got, I probably spent like $3,000, $4,000 the top, I'm talking about liquor
Starting point is 01:13:09 they never gonna drink we had 150 steaks, we had 100 pounds of crab legs, 100 pounds of shrimp we had 150 steaks we had 200 hot dogs 200 hamburgers and I told them, I said look
Starting point is 01:13:24 once a bottle of alcohol is open, if that's what you drinking, take it. Right. Right. Right. Right. I said, the only thing I asked, I pointed to the window. My grandmother was in the window at the time.
Starting point is 01:13:36 She was alive. I say, no cursing. We good. We good. No problem. Man. Oh, Joe, we did it for two years. My sister said, it's too much. two years my sister said it's too much
Starting point is 01:13:46 so we you know I would have my sister would have porta potties to come so everybody could just I mean we just had a good not a good time a great time great time yeah the love that my home boys and they gonna
Starting point is 01:14:03 protect me now they ain't to let you talk crazy about me if you come from out of town. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's funny. Obviously, that same love for me as well. Obviously, here in Liberty City, you know, I'm from Liberty.
Starting point is 01:14:14 Obviously, I'm from Liberty City out here in Miami. I left Liberty City without really leaving. That makes sense, right? Yeah. That makes sense to you? So the love I've always been shown because i've always stayed true to my what i like to call my roots and i've always been my authentic self i didn't make it and didn't change so if you knew me back in 1995 and 1996 or you went to class with me
Starting point is 01:14:36 and understood i was a class clown back in 96 and 97 in college i was the same person in nfl nothing about me it changed at all ever never did and so there was always an authentic and genuine love for me in the hood where people say oh once you make it never go back never had those issues because i was always remain my true self and i think some of the stories um some of the stories i can't remember, but some of the experiences that I was able to share and, and, and allow those that were friends of mine throughout that tenure before I made it. Once I did make it, some of them stories will be so good that I can't even share them myself. I can't even share myself. We had some good times, man. I had a... Hey, shit. That shit got me tearing up a little bit.
Starting point is 01:15:27 But we had some good times. All my people, I know they're probably going to see this. Out the 40s, everybody on the pound, everybody out the alley. Bo Vicks. I know they're going to see this.
Starting point is 01:15:37 Goma Powell, Peanut, Chiefy, my brother Sam, Chauncey, and then my Cincinnati in. Ryan, fucking Maine, Lopes main Lopes lock and everybody
Starting point is 01:15:48 got together. Remember when I grabbed a TV camera and put it on the section. Well, I had about 50 dudes in town 50 dudes. I got my people from Cincinnati and they got my dudes out of the city at the hood. Some of some of them ain't never really been out
Starting point is 01:16:04 side of Miami. I grabbed that camera so fast just to get them boys some TV time. Nobody even understood. I grabbed the camera and put it on them really quick. Now, if you was watching from home, you see the crowd, you see a bunch of just dudes, dreads,
Starting point is 01:16:20 mouth full of goals, everybody winning. They're real people. That was one of the best feelings to me I think it was my best celebration because I got them boys 10 seconds worth of TV time
Starting point is 01:16:31 and them their memories and their moments like that are priceless and for that even to this day the love uh huh
Starting point is 01:16:40 always always always it's always been there for sure always been there there's nothing and again and you know what else I like?
Starting point is 01:16:47 Because I'm sure your people was like that too. Back when we were growing up, back when we were coming up, there was structure and there was discipline. So when I'm thinking about the Rasheed Rice incident, it would have never happened. It would have never happened because there ain't nobody around me even finna let that go down like that. Even if I'm the one that got it. They would always, hey, Sharp, take your go home.
Starting point is 01:17:14 Man, I'm trying to see what... I wish I would get behind the wheel and speed and I got people in the car with me from that area? From that area I'm from? Man, they gonna slap me in the back of area I'm from? Man, they're going to slap me in the back of the head, man.
Starting point is 01:17:27 Man, get your dumb ass out of the driver's seat. What the fuck are you doing? Because they're going to tell my nigga, hey, look, I'm going to tell Libby. Because you know everybody... Everybody knew my sister was like, I'm going to tell Libby now.
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